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Thank you so very much for explaining that not everyone who climbs Everest is wealthy! The same is true for climbers of all mountains. Sure, there ARE wealthy people on every mountain - but plenty of us self-fund our need to 'get high'- and I'm sick of this stereotype.. especially when KB warriors who've never as much as climbed the hillock at the back of their house will argue black and blue that Everest and the other 8,000ers are exclusively for rich folk. Love your channel, BTW ❤
@@gingivitis9148 thanks for speaking up to this! I can't support that company knowing they sell client info for marketing purposes..seems too shameful to me
I always am amazed at how immense Everest is and how trying to climb, it has gone from being seen as a superhuman accomplishment to "a rich man's game." Always learn something here. Thanks for sharing as always
And you only see from Nepal side. It’s even bigger than that but from what I’ve learned the other areas can’t be climbed or are too dangerous to climb!!
I realized how big 8000 meters was because i took on a 2000mts ascent of a volcano this weekend. Took me 10 hours to get up and down, was the hardest thing i ever did and im a big strong fit 19 year old. I can barely move now but can’t wait to go up another mountain
If I got stuck in the traffic jam along those ridges on Everest, I would have an absolute panic attack, then use all my oxygen panicking. Better I just watch from home I think 🙂
Pretty much most human science would react the same. The panic at 28500 ft when your goal is dwindled by traffic for the last few hundred feet would definitely cause you to panic. When i saw that part of the video, I, too had same response!
@@chrissering9128 I would agree but that high up your very life is on the line and it's slip with each sec alone with life threatening snow storm like blizzards coming with frost bite on your hands ,feet , face come on you gonna grab them empty bottles of oxygen tanks that would slow you down and grab tints ripped apart from strong winds 🤔? I love cleaning but if I'm dying first things first I'm trying to live and keep those I grow to like safe not collecting garbage. Someone makes millions of dollars a year have that person go back and clean it up before the next time. Remember until the china drones came out there's was no safe way to grab the trash or bodies just saying sorry for the word salad 😋
@@lesterking2790, If you can't pack it out; You have no business toting it in. The sheer altitude makes cleaning up the garbage dump that used to be Everest prohibitive. There should be no visitors allowed at all. They've ruined the once pristine place.
That’s true, but like he said the problem is at camp 3 and 4. That’s where people are in the early stages of oxygen deprivation/hypoxia/altitude sickness and I can tell you from experience your whole mind goes out of your body. I’m not saying I’ve been up on these crazy peaks, nothing near it, but I have climbed a rapid ascent in one day where oxygen levels decreased faster than my body could adjust and when you get in that stage, your decision making goes out the window. I don’t think hardly anyone goes up there expecting to leave trash or even thinks it’s okay, but from the mild experience I had with oxygen deprivation, it SUCKS and I’m sure plenty of people at camp 3 and 4 wouldn’t even remember or know they left any kind of trash. Just playing devils advocate here though. It’s easy to say “just don’t leave trash” but you really turn into a different person when you get to camp 3 and 4. You’re literally fighting for your life. It’s just like the stories you hear of people coming close to death and they did all kinds of things but you’ll hear a ton of them say “I don’t know what I did to survive, but I did” Judgement and logic just go out the window and your brain goes into survival mode. It doesn’t think “I’m fighting for my life, but I better make sure I dont leave trash”
@@scottkraft1062 Not practical as high altitude winds are very strong and balloon could end up anywhere. Also that would be a lot of equipment to carry up the mountain.
Mountaineering is a calling! It can be magical...it can be nightmarish! You have to be at the top of your game both mentally and physically! Love the channel, Thom!
It's PR reasons for wanting them removed. If they really wanted to solve the issue of people dying on the mountain, they'd treat it with the respect the Chinese have on their side.
Last Dead show I went to was Raleigh NC in 1990. Some guy gave my wife and I two drops each of his Visene on our tongues which I thought was weird. It worked very well and we both saw very clearly for over 15 hours.
I was with a team in 84 that didn't quite make it all the way. Two of us got deathly sick do to lack of O2. To old to fool with climbing now and should not have attempted in 84. My health has not been good ever since.
What changed about your health? There are studies about the brain after people have climbed to that altitude. Have you seen them? I am sorry to hear that it changed you. Hotbot machines can help. Soft or hard shell.
Thank you for keeping it real. I’m glad the situation of garbage and dead bodies is not as dire as some other channels claim. And I’m glad there’s a concerted effort to clean up and that fallen climbers’ bodies are being treated with respect for their families’ wishes.
You sound an awful lot like a normie. More to the point, I would wager that you've never experienced any of the Seven Summits. I have four, to date, with Everest set in 2027. I've been in conference and have climbed with three individuals that have set foot at the summit of Everest. Long story short, an Everest summit is no picnic and the effort required of each climber, whether client, guide or sherpa, is off-axis in its significance.
@@patrickgrengs7594 total respect( despite the arrogant “normie” remark ) but I’ve done remarkable things too ( not quite to that level ) and the enduring thing is I remain satisfied, but nobody else really gives a shit
For alot of the tourist climbers, it appears, the sherpas are indeed shouldering (literally) the brunt of the labor. They are the ones taking the lead, finding the favorable routes, setting ropes, laying ladder bridges, carrying enormous pack loads, often sledding injured visitors back to base camp, and on & on. No doubt there are pro climbers who work complimentary with their sherpa mates but from what I'm seeing on TH-cam by and large its the other way.
If I died up there, I’d want to remain on the mountain. On the topic of garbage, every team should have to bring their rubbish, oxygen tanks - everything back down the mountain with them
Thanks for sticking around til the end. If I could do videos that just talked about that and put food on my table, I most assuredly would. Working on it....you might enjoy the member videos (which I provide free on patreon . com/everestmystery). Cheers and thanks so much for your interest!
Great video. The drones are good, in my opinion. Thanks for sharing! And everyone should watch your videos and the expedition you guys did in 2019. It's one of my favorites.
Just discovered your channel. Im a musician and have always been interested in Everest & climbing but never got involved.Your video's have bridged that desire. In my 50's now & the sense of feeling from your films is enough for me to sit in bed with a cup of tea and enjoy. Thank-you..Best wishes from Northern Italy.
Drone footage is unbelievable. A word about the Sherpa heroes. I see them in videos risking their lives every climbing season. often not getting credit for carrying everything, cooking, going ahead to carry thing or set things up and yet they are underpaid. I want to donate to somehow help families of sherpas who died on the mountain. Does anyone know of a reputable charity for Sherpas? I have seen stories where brave Sherpas die while staying with a dying client. Some climbers are reckless and inexperienced and the poor Shepas do all they can to keep them alive. I don’t fault any of them fo giving up when someone is stubborn or disoriented and just won’t turn around or get up after hours of coaxing, It’s a terrible decision to have to make.
Imagine seeing dead body’s all over the place while climbing this mountain, and then still continue your journey knowing the same can happen to you. People don’t care about their lives it’s insane
We as humans have an uncanny knack of screwing up our most beautiful places. The sooner "mountain tourism" is dead, the better. No one has any business being on Everest (or any other 8 thousand + peak for that matter) except for professional climbers.
@@noniousxltruffles7454 Rich wannabe mountaineers pay big dollars to Mountain climbing companies to take them to the top. Professional mountaineers probably rely on sponsorships and the likes, would be my guess
I love your videos. I’m a bricklayer. I never thought the ‘mountain’ would make me want to go up. I never will. Your voice and your accomplishments keeps me at home. You did it. It’s just amazing listening to you.
No climber climbs without Sherpa help, period. The sherpas set the course, lays the rooes, carry and place the ladders .....and all climbers depend on that.
@@troymommano. Reinhold Messner did. I’m sure that even those two (David and Messner) used porters or products from porters at least from airport to base camp though. The porters are finally getting mentioned and semi recognized. They really make the entire thing possible. Even the Sherpa’s rely on the porters trekking items up over and over….
It’s extraordinary the man power it takes to do the things that are done on Everest. Sorry I missed your live last weekend, I was sick! Hoping to see one soon!
Concerning using sherpas a Swedish climber cycled all the way from Sweden with all food and equipment needed to climb Everest. He carried it all to the base camp himself, unfortunately for him he had to borrow some fat food to get enough energy when recovering from a failed summit attempt. He reached the top and then got back on his bike and cycled back to Sweden.
Hello -- this video just popped into my feed. Thank you for the research and in creating this post. I have four of the seven with my eye on Everest, Vinson, Carstenz (in that order of completion). I recall watching videos of Eurostar (helicopter) "landing" atop Everest in 2005 ... it flew up from base camp, landed a strut at the summit, back to base then to the summit then back to base. I can imagine that this would be another way of extracting climbers from near the summit, given reasonable weather. Use of drones is a step up in safety. I will now afford myself the luxury of enjoying from your library of recordings. Cheers!
Not sure how I came across your video but so glad I did. I have no interest in climbing anything other than a pair of stairs but I find your channel interesting and informative.
@@leanneporter2661 it doesn’t look good to have your most priced tourist destination littered with dead bodies. Fortunately there’s no shortage of deep crevasses on Mt Everest.
As always, my boys and I enjoyed the upload. Again, it fostered conversation on whether Mallory summited or not, with all of us being divided lol. We came closer to agreeing on whether the Chinese found Irvine's body, and perhaps Mallory, but one son thinks not. Thanks for the education and the great fun! Love the tee!
There will come a day wen there's an air conditioned pressurized tram going to the top of Everest, where there will be an air conditioned pressurixed Starbucks with 360 degree picture windows.
I heard Green Boots was put kinda behind a rock structure but he's visible again. When I was younger, I wanted to summit Everest. But Krakuer story into thin air story cured me. Now you couldn't pay me a bajillion. I wouldnt mind trekking, but summiting wouldnt be important to me. I lived in India for over a decade but could never find any others who were interested. It's crazy how few Indians are interested in the high peaks. Being a female, I never felt safe on solo travel.
When you see that level of traffic jam in Everest, it’s plain that there are so many people with minimum climbing skills who pay to have Sherpas to drag them up and carry them down. It’s like there’s no challenge anymore. It’s awful.
It is still a monumental achievement. Anyone led to believe it's not challenging should go run up every flight of stairs on the Empire State Building wearing a 25 pound backpack and a covid mask on. That is probably about 1 tenth of how it feels. Sherpas are absolutely critical for the inexperienced....but doing it is still a massive accomplishment that point zero zero zero zero zero something percentage of human being could ever dream of accomplishing.
You appear to not know what you are talking about. Everest is over 29 thousand feet of elevation. Have you personally climbed a 14k' peak such as the high points of Montana (Granite) or Wyoming (Gannett)? Half the elevation of Everest. Go tag the top of either of those (or both, August 2019 for my 50-States HPs)... then come back and tell us about the challenges.
Another great video about Everest, thank you for the time you put in to produce awesome content. And I love the Jerry shirt! Can't help but think you are listening to the Dead when you are climbing and making videos. Keep up the great work!
Thanks so much! You will totally love that the Jerry shit is glow in the dark! If I wear it to a concert you can see it in the darkness, or out by the fire pit.... Thanks for the super kind words about the channel, I'm glad you're enjoying it!
They manage to take the supplies in with them so they should be able to bring the rubbish out with them as it will be lighter coming out than it was going inn
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Very interesting video! Let me ask a couple of dumb questions though. Why can't the drones be used to remove the dead bodies, or even be used to evacuate an injured or incapacitated climber that has no other options for a rescue? 🤔
The use of drones as assistance and trash removal is something I should have expected but still hit me by surprise a little bit - it's one of the most extreme places on earth, so I guess I just didn't think about it, but it makes sense. There's no going back now, and I think ultimately it will be for the better, especially hauling stuff down. What I fear, however, is that it will just enhance this sense of taking shortcuts to get to the summit and back at all costs, "well, even if I leave my garbage or need more oxygen, there will be drones minutes away that can fix my problem".... I don't like that thought, but hoping that we find ways to preserve the mountain and still allow people to conquer and enjoy it. -Someone who has never been to Everest, but watches a lot of videos
This is an actual use case for a drone where it can be helpful. I hope they do decide to clean up using drones, that way people don’t have to risk their lives.
Thank you sir! I was wondering are folks able to use Drones around the mountain to look for people who go missing like this past season when the snow gave way under them? And in the case of Rob Hall, has his body been buried in snow over the years?
Seeing that about the drones made me so happy. That is absolutely amazing what technology can do, especially if it could help save lives with oxygen tank deliveries. I hope that becomes something they can depend on. Also, I would totally be a person who would rather take the risk of waiting and hoping for good weather another day vs being in those lines. The lines kind of make it feel pointless and like it’s a Disneyland ride instead of an amazing experience between you and the mountain.
They turn around and use the same rope that all the climbers are using to go up....thus the logjam. There's not enough room on the ridge for two lines.... Thanks for watching!
I love to see videos of expedition,i love the documentary also,i have no passion for climbing but i love the stories of the people,their adventures and the history of the first mountaineers from Malory and Irvine till the last accidents in mountains. I have learnt all the big accidents in Everest,K2,Nanga parbat, Annapurna etc. I don't like to climb mountains 🏔️ but i can understand the people who love to do, it's a risk for their lives but they love adrenaline, they know the danger and respect them. I admire Messner very much,i have seen almost all his interviews and he is still alive and he is a living myth, many other mountaineers that i knew are dead unfortunately. I like your channel,i have seen almost all the episodes,i have see you in national geographic as well, keep going! Thank you for staying in truth!!! Your opinion matters.
@@harryyarrow4110 I wonder how his family and friends referring this dedicated mountaineer feel about his remains being visible and known as Green Boots . He was a human being .
I would never go mountain climbing but I’m happy to be a spectator from my home lol but I respect those who try to make that trip. I especially respect those who were some of the first to conquer the mountain in the older days when it was still new. My only complaint is the trash left behind by those who do go. I know it’s difficult to bring the junk down but it should be a requirement at least. No trash left behind should always be the goal.
No Sherpas means no fixed ropes, no paths, no ladders, no camps, no supplies! You going to carry everything you need in, and make your own trails 😮 Sherpas are 100% needed.
I did not have to be on this pod cast to be placated and talked too like a child. The answers to all the questions is a simple yes, without the sugar coat. The cost is considerable, people die up there, often. Their remains can be seen. People have been abandoned up there under arduous scenarios. And like any popular destination, bottle necks and garbage ensues. and seeing this is an opinion driven media, i will add my own. this is an ego self glorification sport. training, ability and aptitude in the end, mean absolutely doo doo up there. everyone that goes up there is simply playing a game of chance with the mountain for the privilege of mounting your photo behind your desk and talk in lofty terms about perseverance and achieving in life and career.
With all due respect, my friend, many of the people who watch this video might not be able to locate Everest on a map. I look at mountain climbing from a perspective that is quite different from yours (although your opinion I respect). In the forward to The Last Step by Rick Ridgeway, about the first American ascent of K2 in 1978 (one of my favorite books on mountaineering), Senator Ted Kennedy writes about when his brother Bobby did the first ascent of the soon-to-be-named Mount Kennedy (with the great American mountaineer Lou Whittaker), which at the time was the highest unclimbed mountain in Canada. He wrote these incredible words, that have resonated with me and many others who have read the book or heard these words "...a successful climb is more than exhilarating--it is a very humbling experience. At the summit of one of the world's truly majestic mountains, one realizes nature's overwhelming beauty, her awesome power, and the harmony of our universe." My intent in literally devoting a full time career to this channel is to hopefully inspire in even just one of the viewers that same wonder, that same belief in the majesty of the mountains, the brotherhood (sisterhood) of the rope, the humbling experience of being in a place so much bigger than we are. In this world, where there is so much distrust and divisiveness, climbing a mountain (to me and many who I share a kinship with) is the absolute ANTITHESIS to ego gratification or glorification.
@ and I appreciate yours. Regardless of where you can stick a pin 📌 on a map, I maintain and adhere to my opinion about the abject difficulties and problems associated with climbing this or any mountain. And the individual reasons why.
@@mikethomp1440 all good, appreciated your sentiments! Times have changed, and nowadays people are drawn there for a multitude of reasons that never entered my mind when I first got into it in the 1980's....one of them being that social media type thrill, the influence that a short burst of a video can have on someone looking to bring meaning into their lives.
@ Goodmorning. And thankyou for your reply. And yes, I can get that. Mountaineering must be an incredible experience in and of itself. I myself would probably suffer from altitude sickness. Merry Christmas 🎅
George Mallory's body was discovered on Mount Everest on May 1, 1999 by mountaineer Conrad Anker. Mallory was a British mountaineer who went missing in 1924 while attempting to reach the summit of Everest with Andrew Irvine
There are so many people who don’t know what they are doing going on these climbs on Mt Everest as well as many other mountains around the world including ones in the USA like Mt St Helens and Mt Ranier. People get ideas like “I can do that” and don’t listen to skilled climbers who warn them otherwise.
I have learned so much from your videos. I remember when summiting Everest was rare and such a big deal it would be in the news, front page of newspapers and in National Geographic. I am so glad more people can experience it. I am so happy they are being bettet about the trash issue.
Thanks so much for your thoughts, I really appreciate it. I agree with you....but do think perhaps taking the foot off the gas pedal on permits might be a good idea :)
Maybe! Check out our Breaking News report from the future in this video, and you'll see what is coming, Betraying Everest's Future: The Tragic Consequences of Climbing Tourism: th-cam.com/video/Ds2D6DedYI4/w-d-xo.html
Another great video! Everest rightfully draws a great deal of interest from the public. It is a centre-point of dramas, both natural and human generated. I feel like the biggest myth I always hear is that Everest is easy to climb. I certainly think it’s fair to say that Everest has been made accessible by the addition of things like ladders, fixed ropes, and above all the assistance of the legendary Sherpa people. Not having any mountaineering experience myself, I’m not going to comment as an authority, but everything I’ve ever seen seems to indicate that Everest is still very challenging even to strong, experienced climbers. If you stripped away all the infrastructure, I really wonder how many people would have the strength and skill to climb it. In a roundabout way, I’m saying that I still think Mt Everest is a fearsome and challenging place. Calling it “easy” sounds absurd to me.
I get horrible altitude sickness just going up a mountain a short way, especially if exerting myself; it's like having vehicle motion sickness X10. Money or perfect physical conditioning wouldn't help.
Incredible breaking news about probable finding of Sandy Irvines foot , sock and boot by the National Geographic team. Looking forward to you doing a presentation on it soon!
If it is a fact that Pan Duo (aka Phantog / Phanthog) in 1975 then denied having said anything about Irvine's body & the camera, not too long after she supposedly said it, then her original statement can safely be ignored.
A lot of people fail to understand that the Sherpas evolved to handle that climate. It might take years to acclimate to that climate. Most people can’t take it.
Hi Thom, you probably know this already but French TH-camr Inoxtag (>8 million subscribers) made a documentary about his Mount Everest ascension (with over 30 million views), available on TH-cam. In it, at the 2:16:05 mark, there is brand new video footage of the May 22nd cornice collapse that killed 2 people this year (or at least what I believe to be brand new). He and his crew were standing very close to it as it happened. I thought you might find it interesting! Best regards, Felix
I wish some of these people decided that rather than risk people’s lives and spend thousands doing something spectacular, that maybe they did another challenge. Writing a book, learning a foreign language, volunteering at a local charity.
I wouldn't stand in a bus queue that long if it was a cold day, let alone at the top of Mount Everest, in sub-zero temperatures, praying that my oxygen tank would last until I was safely back at base camp.
I love this channel. This man is a wealth of knowledge. The comments aren’t full of if BS disrespectful people, who think they know everything, regardless of others personal experience .
Thanks so much, my goal is to create a place where people can share their opinions in a place where they are respected and can feel safe. I'm glad you found the channel!
Thanks for your videos. I've learned so much. From a historical perspective did the native Nepalese, Tibetan, Pakistani and Chinese people value the feats of summitting their mountains the way in which western peoples have done? Was the conquering the mountains important for them? Or was that considered irreverent? Are there records of earlier peoples scaling the heights? It seems probable but maybe not ? When did the Chinese first attempt to summit in the 20th century? Before or after 1924 ? Anyway fascinating stuff. And the more recent body cam and drone footage of the peaks is awesome. Wish my dad were alive to see it. He was always interested in exploration and I remember hearing about Mallory and Irvine as well as Hillary and Norgay.
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They found Sandys foot, family has had DNA to confirm but the sock had his name on it.
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Thank you so very much for explaining that not everyone who climbs Everest is wealthy! The same is true for climbers of all mountains. Sure, there ARE wealthy people on every mountain - but plenty of us self-fund our need to 'get high'- and I'm sick of this stereotype.. especially when KB warriors who've never as much as climbed the hillock at the back of their house will argue black and blue that Everest and the other 8,000ers are exclusively for rich folk. Love your channel, BTW ❤
@@gingivitis9148 thanks for speaking up to this! I can't support that company knowing they sell client info for marketing purposes..seems too shameful to me
I always am amazed at how immense Everest is and how trying to climb, it has gone from being seen as a superhuman accomplishment to "a rich man's game." Always learn something here. Thanks for sharing as always
It is a massive mountain! Thanks as always for being a part of the channel and for supporting what I'm doing
And you only see from Nepal side. It’s even bigger than that but from what I’ve learned the other areas can’t be climbed or are too dangerous to climb!!
I realized how big 8000 meters was because i took on a 2000mts ascent of a volcano this weekend. Took me 10 hours to get up and down, was the hardest thing i ever did and im a big strong fit 19 year old. I can barely move now but can’t wait to go up another mountain
If I got stuck in the traffic jam along those ridges on Everest, I would have an absolute panic attack, then use all my oxygen panicking. Better I just watch from home I think 🙂
Very, very wise! :)
Leave the mountain alone,please
@@savannahbrown1170 😂
@@josiejung6751Moleste’ No!
Pretty much most human science would react the same. The panic at 28500 ft when your goal is dwindled by traffic for the last few hundred feet would definitely cause you to panic. When i saw that part of the video, I, too had same response!
Being up there with so many people around would destroy the pleasure for me. I like to see and hear nothing but nature when i’m outdoors.
People aren't natural?
There should be zero garbage left behind. If you can't do that that than don't go. That kind of littering isn't tolerated anywhere else.
@@chrissering9128
I would agree but that high up your very life is on the line and it's slip with each sec alone with life threatening snow storm like blizzards coming with frost bite on your hands ,feet , face come on you gonna grab them empty bottles of oxygen tanks that would slow you down and grab tints ripped apart from strong winds 🤔?
I love cleaning but if I'm dying first things first I'm trying to live and keep those I grow to like safe not collecting garbage. Someone makes millions of dollars a year have that person go back and clean it up before the next time. Remember until the china drones came out there's was no safe way to grab the trash or bodies just saying sorry for the word salad 😋
@@lesterking2790, If you can't pack it out; You have no business toting it in.
The sheer altitude makes cleaning up the garbage dump that used to be Everest prohibitive.
There should be no visitors allowed at all.
They've ruined the once pristine place.
That’s true, but like he said the problem is at camp 3 and 4. That’s where people are in the early stages of oxygen deprivation/hypoxia/altitude sickness and I can tell you from experience your whole mind goes out of your body.
I’m not saying I’ve been up on these crazy peaks, nothing near it, but I have climbed a rapid ascent in one day where oxygen levels decreased faster than my body could adjust and when you get in that stage, your decision making goes out the window.
I don’t think hardly anyone goes up there expecting to leave trash or even thinks it’s okay, but from the mild experience I had with oxygen deprivation, it SUCKS and I’m sure plenty of people at camp 3 and 4 wouldn’t even remember or know they left any kind of trash.
Just playing devils advocate here though. It’s easy to say “just don’t leave trash” but you really turn into a different person when you get to camp 3 and 4. You’re literally fighting for your life. It’s just like the stories you hear of people coming close to death and they did all kinds of things but you’ll hear a ton of them say “I don’t know what I did to survive, but I did”
Judgement and logic just go out the window and your brain goes into survival mode. It doesn’t think “I’m fighting for my life, but I better make sure I dont leave trash”
I don’t know how long you’ve been doing this, but this podcast is really well structured 👏🏻
Thanks so much, I truly appreciate it!
I can see why the recovery of bodies from the mountain is a good idea but I don’t believe anyone should have to put themselves in any danger to do so.
I was thinking you could use a balloon with a satellite tracker and launch them off the mountains.
@@scottkraft1062 Not practical as high altitude winds are very strong and balloon could end up anywhere. Also that would be a lot of equipment to carry up the mountain.
@Stuart-p4m I still think it could be a viable option.
As far as the garbage is concerned, climbers should be required to pack *everything* they brought in.
@@miapdx503 I think your idea would, also help reduce the traffic jams.
Unless they are almost dead and and manage it in order to stay alive and get down.
Then STAY OFF THE MOUNTAIN @MrsK976
@@miapdx503, use the hikers rule. Pack out what you pack in.
Including their chit
Mountaineering is a calling! It can be magical...it can be nightmarish! You have to be at the top of your game both mentally and physically! Love the channel, Thom!
Thanks so much for watching, I'm happy that you enjoy the channel!
@@EverestMysteryany thoughts ( I’m new here) on closing Mount Everest?
Surely, if there are deceased people visible to other climbers, it's a timely reminder, that they could be in that position themselves very soon
That would definitely be sobering.
yep and green boots has been used as a marker for yrs
It's PR reasons for wanting them removed. If they really wanted to solve the issue of people dying on the mountain, they'd treat it with the respect the Chinese have on their side.
Worlds tallest garbage pile.
Exactly they should leave them right where they are, so these fools can see first hand what their fate will be.
I’m just here for the Jerry Garcia shirt lol. For real though, awesome video as usual. Keep ‘em coming!
@@kelsoutdoors RIP Phil Lesh too 💝🙏🎶💕
Me too!!!!
The only "jam" that I want to get stuck in is with that guy on your shirt. 😎🎸
This is a contender for best comment of the year!
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Last Dead show I went to was Raleigh NC in 1990. Some guy gave my wife and I two drops each of his Visene on our tongues which I thought was weird. It worked very well and we both saw very clearly for over 15 hours.
Seeing all this garbage and lines of people going up and down, absolutely takes the magic out of this place. It’s a shame what money can destroy.
It's not the money that's destroying it, it's the self centered idiots with money that are.
@Antuan_the_Swan it's not the money, it's the people holding the money!
@@Antuan_the_Swan greed destroys 😊
I was with a team in 84 that didn't quite make it all the way. Two of us got deathly sick do to lack of O2. To old to fool with climbing now and should not have attempted in 84. My health has not been good ever since.
What changed about your health? There are studies about the brain after people have climbed to that altitude. Have you seen them? I am sorry to hear that it changed you. Hotbot machines can help. Soft or hard shell.
Thank you for keeping it real. I’m glad the situation of garbage and dead bodies is not as dire as some other channels claim. And I’m glad there’s a concerted effort to clean up and that fallen climbers’ bodies are being treated with respect for their families’ wishes.
The Sherpas do everything but wipe the climbers' asses.....
@@vel230 are you serious?
@@vel230 facts
You sound an awful lot like a normie. More to the point, I would wager that you've never experienced any of the Seven Summits. I have four, to date, with Everest set in 2027. I've been in conference and have climbed with three individuals that have set foot at the summit of Everest. Long story short, an Everest summit is no picnic and the effort required of each climber, whether client, guide or sherpa, is off-axis in its significance.
@@patrickgrengs7594 total respect( despite the arrogant “normie” remark ) but I’ve done remarkable things too ( not quite to that level ) and the enduring thing is I remain satisfied, but nobody else really gives a shit
For alot of the tourist climbers, it appears, the sherpas are indeed shouldering (literally) the brunt of the labor. They are the ones taking the lead, finding the favorable routes, setting ropes, laying ladder bridges, carrying enormous pack loads, often sledding injured visitors back to base camp, and on & on. No doubt there are pro climbers who work complimentary with their sherpa mates but from what I'm seeing on TH-cam by and large its the other way.
If I died up there, I’d want to remain on the mountain. On the topic of garbage, every team should have to bring their rubbish, oxygen tanks - everything back down the mountain with them
Including their bagged faeces
Your closing comment on your videos is a welcome reminder of the value of selfless service. Thank you!
Thanks for sticking around til the end. If I could do videos that just talked about that and put food on my table, I most assuredly would. Working on it....you might enjoy the member videos (which I provide free on patreon . com/everestmystery). Cheers and thanks so much for your interest!
Great video. The drones are good, in my opinion. Thanks for sharing! And everyone should watch your videos and the expedition you guys did in 2019. It's one of my favorites.
Thank you so much, and for watching before it went live to the public!
Just discovered your channel. Im a musician and have always been interested in Everest & climbing but never got involved.Your video's have bridged that desire. In my 50's now & the sense of feeling from your films is enough for me to sit in bed with a cup of tea and enjoy. Thank-you..Best wishes from Northern Italy.
Drone footage is unbelievable. A word about the Sherpa heroes.
I see them in videos risking their lives every climbing season. often not getting credit for carrying everything, cooking, going ahead to carry thing or set things up and yet they are underpaid. I want to donate to somehow help families of sherpas who died on the mountain. Does anyone know of a reputable charity for Sherpas?
I have seen stories where brave Sherpas die while staying with a dying client. Some climbers are reckless and inexperienced and the poor Shepas do all they can to keep them alive. I don’t fault any of them fo giving up when someone is stubborn or disoriented and just won’t turn around or get up after hours of coaxing, It’s a terrible decision to have to make.
Your videos are always so thoughtful and thought-provoking. Thank you for sharing your insight and experiences with your community!
Thank you!
You could not pay me enough to climb that mountain. Not a snowball’s chance in hell. I just don’t get it!
@@FutureSystem738 not even for a million dollars per step
I feel ya. I wouldn't for a billion lol 😂
Imagine seeing dead body’s all over the place while climbing this mountain, and then still continue your journey knowing the same can happen to you. People don’t care about their lives it’s insane
We as humans have an uncanny knack of screwing up our most beautiful places.
The sooner "mountain tourism" is dead, the better.
No one has any business being on Everest (or any other 8 thousand + peak for that
matter) except for professional climbers.
I've never worked out how you'd make a living at climbing.
@@noniousxltruffles7454 Rich wannabe mountaineers pay big dollars to Mountain climbing companies to take them to the top. Professional mountaineers probably rely on sponsorships and the likes, would be my guess
@@nicholasmills8843seems like both are just idiotic.
@@nicholasmills8843 as the song goes" call somewhere paradise then kiss it goodbye.
Hotel California. Might not be verbatim.
What's the difference? What qualifies as a professional?
I love your videos. I’m a bricklayer. I never thought the ‘mountain’ would make me want to go up. I never will. Your voice and your accomplishments keeps me at home. You did it. It’s just amazing listening to you.
No climber climbs without Sherpa help, period. The sherpas set the course, lays the rooes, carry and place the ladders .....and all climbers depend on that.
Was Davis sharp the only one who has gone up solo?
@@troymommano. Reinhold Messner did.
I’m sure that even those two (David and Messner) used porters or products from porters at least from airport to base camp though. The porters are finally getting mentioned and semi recognized. They really make the entire thing possible. Even the Sherpa’s rely on the porters trekking items up over and over….
Yep. Especially the ladders. Those are placed and maintained by sherpas and there’s no climbing (very far) with them
It’s extraordinary the man power it takes to do the things that are done on Everest.
Sorry I missed your live last weekend, I was sick! Hoping to see one soon!
They found Sandy it’s on the news today. He was found 7,000 feet below Mallory
Concerning using sherpas a Swedish climber cycled all the way from Sweden with all food and equipment needed to climb Everest. He carried it all to the base camp himself, unfortunately for him he had to borrow some fat food to get enough energy when recovering from a failed summit attempt. He reached the top and then got back on his bike and cycled back to Sweden.
@@kristiangoransson6104 Sorry, but I hate the idea of "borrowed" food - if I ever give you food, I insist you keep it! 🤔
@@kristiangoransson6104 so he failed in his planning. Borrowing food is a failure.
Hello -- this video just popped into my feed. Thank you for the research and in creating this post. I have four of the seven with my eye on Everest, Vinson, Carstenz (in that order of completion). I recall watching videos of Eurostar (helicopter) "landing" atop Everest in 2005 ... it flew up from base camp, landed a strut at the summit, back to base then to the summit then back to base. I can imagine that this would be another way of extracting climbers from near the summit, given reasonable weather. Use of drones is a step up in safety. I will now afford myself the luxury of enjoying from your library of recordings. Cheers!
Not sure how I came across your video but so glad I did. I have no interest in climbing anything other than a pair of stairs but I find your channel interesting and informative.
Wow! I get the distinct impression that bodies are being moved/removed for, let’s say, promotional reasons.
MONEY TALKS
@@leanneporter2661 it doesn’t look good to have your most priced tourist destination littered with dead bodies. Fortunately there’s no shortage of deep crevasses on Mt Everest.
As always, my boys and I enjoyed the upload. Again, it fostered conversation on whether Mallory summited or not, with all of us being divided lol. We came closer to agreeing on whether the Chinese found Irvine's body, and perhaps Mallory, but one son thinks not. Thanks for the education and the great fun! Love the tee!
I love that you watch with your sons! I makes it all worth while... It's good having you here, send my regards to the boys!
@@EverestMystery My boys said to send their regards as well! We all have such an interesting time watching your channel and guests!
There will come a day wen there's an air conditioned pressurized tram going to the top of Everest, where there will be an air conditioned pressurixed Starbucks with 360 degree picture windows.
This is the first time i've heard about the drones. What
A great idea! I can see less deaths with this development
I hope that is the case, using this technology to save lives and rid the mountain of garbage. Thanks for watching!
I heard Green Boots was put kinda behind a rock structure but he's visible again. When I was younger, I wanted to summit Everest. But Krakuer story into thin air story cured me. Now you couldn't pay me a bajillion. I wouldnt mind trekking, but summiting wouldnt be important to me. I lived in India for over a decade but could never find any others who were interested. It's crazy how few Indians are interested in the high peaks. Being a female, I never felt safe on solo travel.
When you see that level of traffic jam in Everest, it’s plain that there are so many people with minimum climbing skills who pay to have Sherpas to drag them up and carry them down. It’s like there’s no challenge anymore. It’s awful.
It is still a monumental achievement. Anyone led to believe it's not challenging should go run up every flight of stairs on the Empire State Building wearing a 25 pound backpack and a covid mask on. That is probably about 1 tenth of how it feels. Sherpas are absolutely critical for the inexperienced....but doing it is still a massive accomplishment that point zero zero zero zero zero something percentage of human being could ever dream of accomplishing.
You appear to not know what you are talking about. Everest is over 29 thousand feet of elevation. Have you personally climbed a 14k' peak such as the high points of Montana (Granite) or Wyoming (Gannett)? Half the elevation of Everest. Go tag the top of either of those (or both, August 2019 for my 50-States HPs)... then come back and tell us about the challenges.
Another great video about Everest, thank you for the time you put in to produce awesome content. And I love the Jerry shirt! Can't help but think you are listening to the Dead when you are climbing and making videos. Keep up the great work!
Thanks so much! You will totally love that the Jerry shit is glow in the dark! If I wear it to a concert you can see it in the darkness, or out by the fire pit.... Thanks for the super kind words about the channel, I'm glad you're enjoying it!
@@EverestMysterymy pal went to the sphere in Las Vegas to see the Dead cover band. His shirt glows in the dark. The acid people were tripping.
They manage to take the supplies in with them so they should be able to bring the rubbish out with them as it will be lighter coming out than it was going inn
I'm really glad you let BetterHelp be a sponsor. I just used your link and signed up. It's time again. Things are going so good in my life, in a huge part because of your channel, but I'm the master of sabotaging things when they get too good. I've never felt I deserved good things. So this time I really want to stay ahead of positive loving mental health. Thank you Thom.
Tim that is really great to hear. Growing and evolving is a lifelong process! I have not always been so good at asking for help. It's always good to see your comments, thanks so much Tim!
It would be a feat to summit with only the clothing and equipment Mallory had.
Just two climbers alone.
They had tins of meat lozenges.
Very interesting video! Let me ask a couple of dumb questions though. Why can't the drones be used to remove the dead bodies, or even be used to evacuate an injured or incapacitated climber that has no other options for a rescue? 🤔
That drone is fantastic!!
The use of drones as assistance and trash removal is something I should have expected but still hit me by surprise a little bit - it's one of the most extreme places on earth, so I guess I just didn't think about it, but it makes sense. There's no going back now, and I think ultimately it will be for the better, especially hauling stuff down. What I fear, however, is that it will just enhance this sense of taking shortcuts to get to the summit and back at all costs, "well, even if I leave my garbage or need more oxygen, there will be drones minutes away that can fix my problem".... I don't like that thought, but hoping that we find ways to preserve the mountain and still allow people to conquer and enjoy it. -Someone who has never been to Everest, but watches a lot of videos
You sir, are an amazing narrator, great video and I could listen to you all day. GREAT JOB.
This is an actual use case for a drone where it can be helpful. I hope they do decide to clean up using drones, that way people don’t have to risk their lives.
Totally agree! Thank you for watching : )
Thank you sir! I was wondering are folks able to use Drones around the mountain to look for people who go missing like this past season when the snow gave way under them? And in the case of Rob Hall, has his body been buried in snow over the years?
Great to hear drones are being put to good use on Mount Everest for more than taking pretty pictures.
Seeing that about the drones made me so happy. That is absolutely amazing what technology can do, especially if it could help save lives with oxygen tank deliveries. I hope that becomes something they can depend on.
Also, I would totally be a person who would rather take the risk of waiting and hoping for good weather another day vs being in those lines. The lines kind of make it feel pointless and like it’s a Disneyland ride instead of an amazing experience between you and the mountain.
It seems to me that the answer to all these questions is “Yes, but not really” or “Not really, but yes.”
This vid should be retitled “Yea, kind of”
I love your Jerry Garcia shirt. From one dead head to another your videos are very well done.
Can you really call what's being done on Everest climbing anymore?
Good point. You don't climb Everest, you walk it.
Will you make a video on Sandy Irvine? His boot with his name on his socks has been found? This is crazy news!!!
Regarding that 2019 huge line up to summit. How do you get back down? A different route? Or do you turn around and try to pass everyone going up?
They turn around and use the same rope that all the climbers are using to go up....thus the logjam. There's not enough room on the ridge for two lines.... Thanks for watching!
Thom thanks for clarifying the myths and sharing a positive perspective.
There is wiggle room on lots of these, so I'm going to schedule a livestream for this coming Thursday! Thank you as always!
This has been a most informative, interesting video. Thank you!
I love to see videos of expedition,i love the documentary also,i have no passion for climbing but i love the stories of the people,their adventures and the history of the first mountaineers from Malory and Irvine till the last accidents in mountains.
I have learnt all the big accidents in Everest,K2,Nanga parbat, Annapurna etc.
I don't like to climb mountains 🏔️ but i can understand the people who love to do, it's a risk for their lives but they love adrenaline, they know the danger and respect them.
I admire Messner very much,i have seen almost all his interviews and he is still alive and he is a living myth, many other mountaineers that i knew are dead unfortunately.
I like your channel,i have seen almost all the episodes,i have see you in national geographic as well, keep going!
Thank you for staying in truth!!!
Your opinion matters.
Thanks for this absorbing reveal, on Everest,and the challenges, inherent,when climbing.💙💛💙
@@harryyarrow4110 I wonder how his family and friends referring this dedicated mountaineer feel about his remains being visible and known as Green Boots . He was a human being .
Almost twelve thousand people have summitted Everest? It seems very commercialized. Drones will perpetuate this.
I would never go mountain climbing but I’m happy to be a spectator from my home lol but I respect those who try to make that trip. I especially respect those who were some of the first to conquer the mountain in the older days when it was still new. My only complaint is the trash left behind by those who do go. I know it’s difficult to bring the junk down but it should be a requirement at least. No trash left behind should always be the goal.
8:17 Imagine a frozen arm with a Hand sticking out of the ice, which says "Guys, this Way..." Creepy as hell
This is so informative! Great job, fantastic reporting!🌻🌼🐝 Keep it up 🙌
No Sherpas means no fixed ropes, no paths, no ladders, no camps, no supplies! You going to carry everything you need in, and make your own trails 😮 Sherpas are 100% needed.
Great research and writing. Also, I enjoy your delivery. You have good energy :)
Wonderful video as always. Thanks for dispelling the myths. I always get a good education from you!
I did not have to be on this pod cast to be placated and talked too like a child. The answers to all the questions is a simple yes, without the sugar coat. The cost is considerable, people die up there, often. Their remains can be seen. People have been abandoned up there under arduous scenarios. And like any popular destination, bottle necks and garbage ensues. and seeing this is an opinion driven media, i will add my own. this is an ego self glorification sport.
training, ability and aptitude in the end, mean absolutely doo doo up there. everyone that goes up there is simply playing a game of chance with the mountain for the privilege of mounting your photo behind your desk and talk in lofty terms about perseverance and achieving in life and career.
With all due respect, my friend, many of the people who watch this video might not be able to locate Everest on a map. I look at mountain climbing from a perspective that is quite different from yours (although your opinion I respect). In the forward to The Last Step by Rick Ridgeway, about the first American ascent of K2 in 1978 (one of my favorite books on mountaineering), Senator Ted Kennedy writes about when his brother Bobby did the first ascent of the soon-to-be-named Mount Kennedy (with the great American mountaineer Lou Whittaker), which at the time was the highest unclimbed mountain in Canada. He wrote these incredible words, that have resonated with me and many others who have read the book or heard these words "...a successful climb is more than exhilarating--it is a very humbling experience. At the summit of one of the world's truly majestic mountains, one realizes nature's overwhelming beauty, her awesome power, and the harmony of our universe."
My intent in literally devoting a full time career to this channel is to hopefully inspire in even just one of the viewers that same wonder, that same belief in the majesty of the mountains, the brotherhood (sisterhood) of the rope, the humbling experience of being in a place so much bigger than we are. In this world, where there is so much distrust and divisiveness, climbing a mountain (to me and many who I share a kinship with) is the absolute ANTITHESIS to ego gratification or glorification.
@ and I appreciate yours. Regardless of where you can stick a pin 📌 on a map, I maintain and adhere to my opinion about the abject difficulties and problems associated with climbing this or any mountain. And the individual reasons why.
@@mikethomp1440 all good, appreciated your sentiments! Times have changed, and nowadays people are drawn there for a multitude of reasons that never entered my mind when I first got into it in the 1980's....one of them being that social media type thrill, the influence that a short burst of a video can have on someone looking to bring meaning into their lives.
@ Goodmorning. And thankyou for your reply. And yes, I can get that. Mountaineering must be an incredible experience in and of itself. I myself would probably suffer from altitude sickness. Merry Christmas 🎅
I'm pretty late to the game but I just watched your doc on Disney +. I was like i watch his you tube channel.
That's fantastic, glad you saw it!
@@EverestMystery sorry you couldn't climb
Which documentary is that? I'd love to check it out
George Mallory's body was discovered on Mount Everest on May 1, 1999 by mountaineer Conrad Anker. Mallory was a British mountaineer who went missing in 1924 while attempting to reach the summit of Everest with Andrew Irvine
After reaching the summit.
There are so many people who don’t know what they are doing going on these climbs on Mt Everest as well as many other mountains around the world including ones in the USA like Mt St Helens and Mt Ranier. People get ideas like “I can do that” and don’t listen to skilled climbers who warn them otherwise.
Nice! Jerry Garcia! ❤️⚡️💙
I spent a little time on the mountain 🎶
I have learned so much from your videos. I remember when summiting Everest was rare and such a big deal it would be in the news, front page of newspapers and in National Geographic. I am so glad more people can experience it. I am so happy they are being bettet about the trash issue.
Thanks so much for your thoughts, I really appreciate it. I agree with you....but do think perhaps taking the foot off the gas pedal on permits might be a good idea :)
Great t-shirt, Thom!
Thom has a touch of gray.
A touch of gray to the power of 10 :)
Hey! I love ur Jerry shirt!! I been to a handful of shows myself
I just want to know when Amazon will offer delivery there...
Very informative...thanks!
I really like your shirt! Music is the best therapy ✌
I like the drone aspect , im wondering if they will get to the point a drone could just fly me straight upto the top.
Maybe! Check out our Breaking News report from the future in this video, and you'll see what is coming, Betraying Everest's Future: The Tragic Consequences of Climbing Tourism: th-cam.com/video/Ds2D6DedYI4/w-d-xo.html
Another great video!
Everest rightfully draws a great deal of interest from the public. It is a centre-point of dramas, both natural and human generated.
I feel like the biggest myth I always hear is that Everest is easy to climb. I certainly think it’s fair to say that Everest has been made accessible by the addition of things like ladders, fixed ropes, and above all the assistance of the legendary Sherpa people. Not having any mountaineering experience myself, I’m not going to comment as an authority, but everything I’ve ever seen seems to indicate that Everest is still very challenging even to strong, experienced climbers. If you stripped away all the infrastructure, I really wonder how many people would have the strength and skill to climb it. In a roundabout way, I’m saying that I still think Mt Everest is a fearsome and challenging place. Calling it “easy” sounds absurd to me.
Thank you for such an insightful and thought provoking video Thom. Great content as always!
I get horrible altitude sickness just going up a mountain a short way, especially if exerting myself; it's like having vehicle motion sickness X10. Money or perfect physical conditioning wouldn't help.
Incredible breaking news about probable finding of Sandy Irvines foot , sock and boot by the National Geographic team. Looking forward to you doing a presentation on it soon!
Amazing video again dude. Outstanding content from your channel.... love the Jerry tee shirt also! Thank you.
I truly appreciate it, and only bring out the Jerry tee for special occasions!
@EverestMystery honoured that you replied sir. Look forwards to some more of your videos, fascinating stuff. All the best, Jerry rules.
very fact-filled and informative video, glad i ran across it ...
I'm happy you did, too! Thank you
I personally would not give two craps about Summiting, but I would go up to help clean. I guess me being broke doesn’t help my quest
If it is a fact that Pan Duo (aka Phantog / Phanthog) in 1975 then denied having said anything about Irvine's body & the camera, not too long after she supposedly said it, then her original statement can safely be ignored.
A lot of people fail to understand that the Sherpas evolved to handle that climate. It might take years to acclimate to that climate. Most people can’t take it.
I work with Dr. Beck Weathers. His story is absolutely amazing.
I seldom drink beer, but it’s PBR when I do!
First climber of mountain Everest was a Sherpa. You guys all need them to climb Everest.
So many people climbed that mountain that it becomes equally special as visit your local supermarket.
Hi Thom, you probably know this already but French TH-camr Inoxtag (>8 million subscribers) made a documentary about his Mount Everest ascension (with over 30 million views), available on TH-cam.
In it, at the 2:16:05 mark, there is brand new video footage of the May 22nd cornice collapse that killed 2 people this year (or at least what I believe to be brand new). He and his crew were standing very close to it as it happened. I thought you might find it interesting!
Best regards,
Felix
I wish some of these people decided that rather than risk people’s lives and spend thousands doing something spectacular, that maybe they did another challenge. Writing a book, learning a foreign language, volunteering at a local charity.
I wouldn't stand in a bus queue that long if it was a cold day, let alone at the top of Mount Everest, in sub-zero temperatures, praying that my oxygen tank would last until I was safely back at base camp.
Thank you for a very informative and interesting video! I’m a new fan and subscriber!
I am curious what Hillary thinks after seeing that traffic jam at the top
Interesting video. Thank you for posting.
I love this channel. This man is a wealth of knowledge. The comments aren’t full of if BS disrespectful people, who think they know everything, regardless of others personal experience
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Thanks so much, my goal is to create a place where people can share their opinions in a place where they are respected and can feel safe. I'm glad you found the channel!
@@EverestMysteryI also like that you clearly have good taste in music 🎶
Each day I have more and more respect for Sir Edmund Hillary.
I have more for Tenzing Norgay
Thanks for your videos. I've learned so much.
From a historical perspective did the native Nepalese, Tibetan, Pakistani and Chinese people value the feats of summitting their mountains the way in which western peoples have done? Was the conquering the mountains important for them? Or was that considered irreverent? Are there records of earlier peoples scaling the heights? It seems probable but maybe not ? When did the Chinese first attempt to summit in the 20th century? Before or after 1924 ? Anyway fascinating stuff. And the more recent body cam and drone footage of the peaks is awesome. Wish my dad were alive to see it. He was always interested in exploration and I remember hearing about Mallory and Irvine as well as Hillary and Norgay.