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How To Properly Design A Food Forest Garden Based On The Pattern Of The Sun
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2024
- Not clickbait. Just real gardening information. This is hands down the most important information I've ever shared about establishing a highly productive garden or food forest garden in the Northern Hemisphere. Invert direction if located in the southern hemisphere
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So if I'm in the southern hemisphere i need to plant my taller plants in the southern end?
Yes, exactly. Thank you ! Pinned
That would cast shade in winter. No bueno.
Dude, that was about the SIMPLEST way I've ever heard it explained. I've been trying for years to explain the importance of knowing this to people starting a garden, and as plain as I've thought I've made it out to them, THIS is it.
You are a gem brother. More blessings and abundance to you and yours 💪🏾
Yes. I have a neighbour who loves garden but we live in Australia, which is a pretty wild feral place, especially in the bush, where we are. And she is very English and proper, likes the "English country garden look, even goes around singing that old folk song, written by a Aussie, about prim English country country gardens, would you believe. She wants me to play and sing it for her and I tell "No!" And she asks why and how come anything I plant, all over the place messy grows but what she so lovingly plants, waters, fertilizes, spends a fortune caring for just died, putting her into a very foul mood. I tried to explain that plants grow where they want to grow, not where we humans dictate or how we expect eg in the nice neat rows she likes, all plants same height etc. So, feeling sorry for her and all her wasted garden passion I decided to plant some cuttings of roses etc for her where I knew they would grow, because I knew the rules about sun and shade, structures, tree heights etc North and South orientation and what will grow best how and where. She was thrilled. All these English country roses, only in Australia. Wow! But, if only they would grow in the spots she wanted them in, all nice and neat and prim... I knew they wouldn't thrive where she wanted them and, sure enough, when she uprooted and replanted them, they all died, which brought on another bout of homesickness for "English country gardens" she missed. She then bought citrus fruit trees and I suggested a certain position they would thrive in. Despite fierce hot Aussie sun beating down on them, with much watering at the base, not the plant, which causes flowers to drop and no fruit resulting, they did fruit. She was confident and thrilled as she proudly handed her fruit around for neighbours to share and admire. Then she said to me "You know, I think I should move them to another nicer spot, do I can enjoy looking at them through my window (which faced a bad direction for growing citrus). I said "Don't", but she did it, anyways and, of course thru all died, as I had predicted they would. "I think somebody is jealous of my garden and so they keep poisoning and killing off my plants" she complained to me. "Nah, you need to leave them grow where they are happy growing" I tried, again to explain. "But, back in England..." she would continue . "England is not Australia" I explained "Stuff and people grew wild here, like wherever they feel right..." She is slowly learning this basic truth about the importance of knowing where North is etc in successful horticulture outdoors. But an anxious look still appears on her face when her nicely blooming flowers are not in the nice neat perfect order she would like them.And, to cap it all off, she bought punnets of what she thought were white petunias, but they turned out to be all bright red ones. Enough to make her see red. I got out of her way because I knew that, beneath her sweet English rose mild manner lies this very fierce, passionate earth woman demon with a very foul temper, far worse than mine. Especially if stuff won't grow as she expects. "I germinated and raised three kids and a pain in the backside husband, I'll have you know, so I should know about English country country gardens" she once informed me. "Germinated and raised your husband, too?" Iqueried her "Yes,but he died, too, louse that he was! ". She kept on digging away. "Oh, I'm sorry to hear that..." I tried to console her. "No, no need for sympathy. I just want those petunias to bloom right and I want some of your clivias and Bird of paradise, if I might... I didn't want to refuse her request as she is a very kind, bountiful lady but I worried what would become of my poor baby plants if I gave them to her to "raise right and proper", just like her deceased husband and numerous other good expensive plants she lavished love and money on, which all died, too. This rule is so simple and must always be followed, for horticultural success. Few know it.Even fewer practise it.
Brilliant! I never heard a clearer explanation of why seeing how the sun moves over your garden is the first step. I am planning a small food forest for my new home. Each of your lessons is a treasure.
Thank you for CLEARLY describing the North and South sides of your garden design.
It finally all makes sense! I've been trying to wrap my mind around that concept for years, and never could figure it out. Thanks for sharing in such an understandable way! Keep up the good work!
Such important tips. You explained it so well. I wish I waited when I placed all my raised beds and planted my fruit trees many years ago. I highly recommend waiting a little bit and research your planting lot and also observe where neighbors plants their trees. I now have work around all the shady areas in my garden to plant certain vegetables. Thanks for the tips.
Now that I know which part is the sunniest, I'm going to change the narrow raised flower bed at the front of our house into a veggie bed with dwarf fruit trees. 😊Thank you for teaching us how to do it sir. Can't wait for my salad and pizza supply!
Oh. My shoutout from the Philippines to you! I'm also a Filipina. 😊God bless to you and your family!
Very informative. I’ve prepared the first stage and as it’s early Winter here I’ll take my time with strategically planting my growing collection.
Great advice! So important to plan before you plant!
Thank you so much for sharing... good info.... I live in the desert now... I came from Chicago... it’s like a trial and error ... for us in the desert it’s the opposite... give afternoon shade when the plants get exposed much to the sun to prevent sunburn on the plants.....awesome..
User friendly explanation ...thank you so much...blessings from Australia
This is amazing and super helpful! Thank you so much for sharing!
really helpful thanks dan. i have watched multiple permaculture videos that didnt explain that half as well as you demonstrated!
Totally agree except for that I designed mine the opposite. On purpose. Due to increasing droughts. National lack of groundwater. Little options for irrigation. So I’ve made many hugels and small ditches everywhere. And planted the taller things as a way to cast shadow. It’ll limit my crop production. But it’ll also provide more resilient places to grow.
I planted a semi-dwarf super gold apple tree, and it likes its spot. Doing very well. I have a northern exposure, and 4 huge trees, 3 oaks and a maple. It took me a few years to figure out what plants would grow where! Orientation is extremely important! Even so, every individual plant grows differently, strangely enough...even if purchased and planted at exactly the same time. So much trial and error, lol! I love your channel, you two are great!
Great job on explainng this! Very well done!
Thanks for the video Dan! For me up close to the panhandle in Texas. Besides the North and South factor. Growing plants from other parts of the world shading the midday and afternoon sun is equally important. I certainly hope people watch your video before diving headfirst into a food forest of their own!
This is actually super useful!
Well said. If nothing else, take pics of your property at different times of the day. Look where the sun and shade are.
Thank you. I didn't think about it. But it makes sense. By the way, you should do the same thing before you build a house in order to get the maximum amount of free heat and light from the sun and to also understand where to plant trees to give you the most shade.
Great video, explained brilliantly. 👏👏👏🌱🌱🌱
This was incredibly helpful! Thank you very much. Most permaculture videos completely omit this vital step in garden layout concerning the sun and hemispheres. You explained it so simply, it was great to watch. Kindest regards from Australia 🇦🇺 The only other question I have is - when adding the garden beds to this design, should they be running North to South.? To capture the most sunlight? As East to West beds will have the problem of the front plants shading out the rear ones? Your thoughts on this..? Thanks again.
Everything looks like it's growing strong
Really very very helpful video man 👍👍👍👍👍
I was Just now transplantin a tree ive planted from wrong side , it grew for ten years and then i decided to make a vegetable patch. With heavy heart ive been thinking i have to either conpletely cut down my muleberry, or move it. I did try to transplant, put Huge effort to work to move it, and what- the muleberry died, and all these years i was waiting for it to start fruiting, all is wasted! You are mentioning the VERY most important thing to ppl who are on starting point in their gardens.
Thank you! It was very simple and easy to understand!👌I cant wait to start my garden.🌷🌻
Sooo helpful!! Thank you!
oh, thank you so much for your help!!!!! This came very handy as I am in the beginning stages of my food forest 😊.
Great explanations thanks!
This helped so much, thank you! Happy gardening.
Nicely explained how to plant trees and shrubs , thanks for making this video , May god bless you with good health bro 👍👍
Do you have somewhere on your page that we can send you gifts of appreciation? Between this and a few other of your videos I was able finally to get out today and get some things in the ground. I've been watching so many of your videos as I'm healing up from my hip replacement and they are super super helpful! Like real solutions to problems. I used your box idea today. Thank you again!!!
Thank you simple explanation . Very helpful 👌
Thanks this will help to lay-out my tiny food forrest in my front and back garden
I love your lessons. Thank you
Thanks for the informative video, and best wishes!
Awesome content as always.
Right on Dan
A tree in the SE corner isn't going to shade toward the NW. It's going to shade toward the east. The shadiest spot on your diagram is going to be next to the house.
This is an excellent video great job keep it up
Good info...Thank You.
genius!
smart! simple logic and sense
Thank you!
Super tip, thankyou
I'm in the Northern Hemisphere and the northern most part of my yard is right against the house (if looking at the drawing you did in this video, my N is where your W is on the diagram and my S is where the E is in the diagram). This would make it very difficult to follow this info, especially since I don't want large trees right up against the house. How do you suggest working with this issue? I appreciate your advice! Great video :)
You could probably put them in a row on the way or west so the shade is mostly on one side rather than on your whole yard.
Awesome , thank you so much 😊
LIKE IT. Thinks smart when planting trees plants veggies beds etc.Tell us more about soil perpetration for fruit veggie garden.What have you one I live in the north east.
Thanks men
Most informative and concise, thanks!
Shall move plum tree and other fruit plants along that North side of the house and then begin the process of getting all the 4ft raised beds moved to areas where it will be most advantageous to food progress. There's a lot of preparation to be done so best get shifting if I want things back to good strong good production by next spring.
Currently dealing with a massive infestation of ants & it's so overwhelming because they've eaten into everything and encouraged their whole colonies to my garden and have spoiled my carrot crop now.. definitely time to take serious action.
There's no more miss nice girl now.. not since they have got into my glorious sweetcorn crops!
Appreciate the info in all your vids dude. You rock!
Have you any advice re ant problems? 😃✌
Hi ,Thanks for info, similarly can you please guide regarding the wind flow planning at the farm
Wow you lost a ton of weight. Good job!
NSEW is the same in all countries but the sun is not. In northern hemisphere this is the opposite to southern hemisphere. Here in Australia the sun of course still rises in the east and sets in the west but it is in a more northerly direction therefore the shadow is cast in a north to south direction meaning we need to plant tallest towards the southern side and shorter on the northern
I live in AZ where the west sun is brutal…..in my home I avoid the west facing windows with plants because they suffer the most. I would think that would carry out into the yard?
I have about a dozen 50 ft tall Eucalyptus trees on the SE part of my estate that I plan to remove. They were planted by the original owner of the property. They drop leaves constantly and are a hazard when branches drop in heave wind. Will build my dream green house in the place.
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so sorry TH-cam scrambles TH-cam my Txt
literally must type Backwards
Thanks. This confirms what I’m doing. Your trees look very close and I’m assuming that’s ok, because you are mimicking a forest, approximately how close center to center for the trees?
No, the tree on the east doesn't shade sideways. It shades EAST like any other tree.
How do you get trees on the S shading out everything? The sun sets in the WEST not the south.
When sun rises from east then how southren side planted trees will shaded the whole area?? Shade always made opposite the sun so eastren side trees will shade the garden
Hi Dan! Love the videos. Ive only seen a few so far. Just curious, how large is your property?
Very logical, thanks! I have been thinking about the arrangment of some fruit trees and bushes. Unfortunately I have an enormous tree in the middle of the garden. It's easy 70 years old. I have a 120 y.o. at the west end and about 50 more trees alover the place. The mini front yard is shaded by a tree at the south, also pretty old. We have 1400m2 in total so there is still some room to garden. The place that used to be the vegetable garden is now completely in the shade. It's a wilderness, but I like that. I have squirrels, birds, toads, hedgehogs and even found a lizard one day. In zone 8!
YES! Your tree on the south shades EAST not north.
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Could I line my fruit trees up in a line east to west on the southernmost part of my property?
Specifically if the plan is to keep them cut shorter? I ask because on the north side is not as feasible.
how if you live in the equator/tropical country such as Malaysia?
Not a joke, not clickbait, ok so how did you communicate with the sun?
Unless you live in AZ at 5000ft. But you are right, sun angles matter.
Would you not do the same, only create more shade zones and create shade structures early on as things get established?
Do you have a video on how to irritate your fruit trees?
Oops I mean irrigate
1st
What is a hugaa mound?
Hugelkultur is great if you own your place or plan to rent there for many years, sandy or dry ground and with many months of very low or no rainfall. Not so good if you're renting short term (you can't take it with you), your place is rock hard clay and totally full of rocks (hire a bobcat or get someone else to do the hard work) or your area gets medium to pretty good rainfall all year round.
Is that Aloe vera or Artichoke?
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Neighbor to the north gets no sun.🤔
Definitely something to consider. My neighbors get plenty of sun as all my trees on the north end are dwarf & semi-dwarf. I don't recommend full size trees in the garden for urban or suburban lots. They take up too much room and create too much shade. Dwarf trees are easy to harvest from and maintain. Cheers!
Ya gotta tighten WAY up on your sketching shot! It's, like, useless? This far away?
Thanks for watching! Have a great day!
If I'd only watched your video FIRST. I could hurt all of the people in the videos talking about planting guilds. They're a TERRIBLE suggestion and now I have 11 fruit trees (that I paid PRECIOUS MONEY for) planted willy-nilly all over my property that are going to eventually shade out everything.
Plus there are certain trees that don't like water which, after watering the plants in the guild as they needed, made me lose an apricot tree and almost killed my hazelnut tree.
I think he should make it clear that he lives in the northern hemisphere. And assumes everyone else does also. If you live in Southern hemisphere, Entire principle should be reversed.
The sun moves south towards the end of the year though. At least here it does.
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