Forstner bit/ Hand-plane holder, VFD and more (Random Shop Stuff 17)
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I've been using that VFD for the CNC machine / controller I built. The manual was a bit confusing but I managed to programme it to toggle between PWM input and the potentiometer to control speed. I like how futuristic it sounds.
I did try some very high quality Forstner bits last year. The holes were so clean cut and smooth, it shocked me.
That plane was delightful. Good tools are a joy, every time you pick them up.
I have a California Air Tools compressor, which seems to be the primary USA based distributor that uses those motor/pumps. It's so lovely to have something that's so much quieter than a traditional one, and still can have decent air flow.
Just yesterday I thought, it has been awhile since Marius posted a video. Glad to see you back. I love your creativity and ingenuity.
Having a dedicated circuitbreaker for just the lathe (or other large equipment) is very good.
In the (however unlikely you think it is) event something goes wrong with the lathe and the breaker trips, you won't also be in the dark suddenly with a metal object that hasn't stopped spinning yet.
As for the VFD, I'd put it on the bandsaw.
Both to prevent the blade and/or belt from slipping on the wheels and/or pulleys, aswell as being able to control the speed.
Hi Marius,
It been five years now I have been watching your videos and I can say that I have not missed one and they are away very good to watch .Your are a great videographer and a very imaginative engineer . Some of your projects have been implemented into my work shop . You are an extremely interesting person .I like your humor as well I always get a laugh from parts of your videos
Thank you Sir
Those clips are the most useful things I’ve ever seen 3D printed.
(That may be an exaggeration, but you get the point)
I put a VFD on my Clausing floor standing drill press, which already had a mechanical variable speed drive, and I really like it. It's great for when I use large bits in metal or hole saws because I can turn the speed way down and still get adequate torque. I no longer fear the bit grabbing hold of my work at high revs and flinging it across the room or at me.
Putting it on the bandsaw may allow you to cut metal since you want a much lower blade speed for metal cutting.
Lovely chip displacement on those new forstner bits. The displacement is why they take less effort to use. The payoff is the mess.
I wouldn't mind seeing that gift truck make a stop at my residents ! Marius it's a wonderful thing that someone is moved watching your video's and the projects to send you such a great plane. Be sure and show us what you come up with to do your sharpening station. That would be an interesting video.
The sound of that VFD is so recognisable... At my job we use a couple of those to regulate the rpm on 5kw motors driving blades in large 5000 liter mixing tanks, with high viscousity fluids. Especially in winter, they really scream at low frequencies :)
Hi Marius. Advance the inverter speed slowly and jot down the frequencies where the inverter is loudest.
The manual should have a section called "Skip Frequencies". There should be several registers where you can program the inverter to skip over the most annoying frequencies. You can put a bi-metal blade on the bandsaw and slow the blade down to cut metal.
Ich denke, dass du aus dem Bundesstaat Missouri in den USA die besten Videos für Holzbearbeitung auf TH-cam hast. Mach weiter so. Wir freuen uns darauf, Ihre Videos für eine lange Zeit zu sehen.
I have been considering all the pro/cons for the question over these past 6 years and I think you should do the bandsaw. I will be patiently waiting to see the results.
I'd say putting the VFD on your dust collector system makes much more sense, since that is a very beefy motor to start up and requires a whole lot of current the traditional way. Also, you can adjust the speed to the point you impeller runs most efficient, if needed. I don't see a sense in putting it on the Bandsaw, since you will always work with the same speed just like the table saw.
ps. I just finished putting a 4 kW Motor (3 phase 380 V) on my 20 inch Bandsaw (wandel design) and using a star-delta switch allows me to spin it up without noise or smoke from the v-belt. You might want to consider that option? You can find new ones for under 20 EUR on Ebay.
Greetings
the full vfd noise got my cats' attentions!
Definitely put the VFD on the band saw. That is one thing you could best use variable speed on, and the soft start would help that belt shock when starting.
Fequency drive for the bandsaw. Beter for metals. Keep the vids up! You’re the one of the best sharing with Mathias Wandel, Ave and Diresta. You have lots of inspiering video’s to me. Keep the vids up! And i get it. Running a hobby/semi-prof shop and studing the same time is difficult.
ich habe einen frequenzumformer an der bohrmaschine dran. links- rechts lauf, variable geschwindigkeit. allerdings musste ein 3 phasen motor her. ich denke hier macht das mehr sinn als an der bandsäge. eine motor hast ja noch über. vielleicht passt der ja.
es sei denn deine maschine hat die features schon. ansonsten hätte ich wohl die absauganlage gewählt.
Is immer so eine Sache. Klar, Normmotoren kriegt man, wenn einem Größe/Fußform/Welle/Leistung/Drehzahl nicht so wichtig ist, ziemlich billig. Aber damit's an ne vorhandene Maschinen passt, muss ja zumindest die AH, Fußform und Welle passen - zumindest grob. Das macht's dann teuer...
Hello Marius from New Hampshire, US.
Great videos. Excellent skill.
TH-cam breaks country barriers.
GREAT work.
Ausgezeichnet!
Was there a reason not just to drill the holes bigger?
+AJ Ojala yes the smaller bits have a smaller shank than the already existing holes
Du hast ihn glaube ich falsch verstanden Marius... Warum du nicht die alten aufgebohrt hast meinte er denke ich... Oder ich habe deine Antwort falsch verstanden ;)
Ich denke schon das das geht, man wird aber schnell rein gezogen mit dem nur leicht größeren Bohrer... aber festgespannt auf der Ständerbohrmaschine sollte es eigentlich möglich gewesen sein...
Und ich habe in meiner Lehre (und auch vorher) gelernt IMMER etwas unter zu legen bei der Ständerbohrmaschine.
Wir haben uns richtig verstanden. Die alten Bohrer hatten alle den selben Schaft. Bei den neuen sind die kleineren Größen auch kleiner...deswegen ging das nicht.
Und die alten brauchen ja auch einen Platz. Die sind immer noch gut zum Sch..... mit Nägeln und Steinen bohren. Kommt ja immer wieder mal vor.
It'd be possible to "preserve" the wood still, by filling the holes with some dowels and then cutting new, smaller holes into the dowels. But that looks kinda not-so-good.
Very nice Forstner Bits, a little pricey but as my Dad use to say you get what you pay for. What I say is " Buy right cry once " ! Nice video, will look for the next one :-)
You don't need new blast gates if you were to put the VFD on the dust collector.
Just add one magnetic reed switch on all of them, the same type of switch you find on a wired alarm system. Magnet on the sliding portion of the blast gate and the magnetic reed switch on the stationary side. Look at th-cam.com/video/OSoZJ3criGE/w-d-xo.html to see how he have done it.
Also another note on the VFD, use a shielded cable between the VFD and the motor, else you can get interference in your electrical system, which really isn't good.
Still, really nice to see that you are active again, and I hope that we don't have to wait so long for the next video!!
You could your VFD for a larger variable speed disc sander. Also useful on a bench grinder as the standard ones run quite fast for woodworking tools...
Very good idea!
VFD on Dust Collection thought: Instead of wiring to each blast gate, you could use a pressure sensor in the system next to the collection unit and some sort of simple monitor (like an arduino) that would then regulate the system pressure by increasing or decreasing the motor RPM. That way whenever you open or close a blast gate, the system would adjust accordingly. Not sure if the VFD you have would accept an external input like that, but would be a cool project if it did.
For the VFD noise, you could make a small box, with a speaker, microphone, amp, and some circuitry that would allow you to put the sound directly out of phase. This would cancel the sound.
That doesn't really work, the microphone and the speaker will cause a feedback loop.
Using frequency skip bands is much easier, but if the VFD is noisy at all frequencies then all one can do is to try to find the least noisiest carrier freq, hack it to reduce the noise (♪ danger zone ♪ -- no really, VFD DC links contain a MEAN amount of energy) or get a better quality unit.
Would sharpening the old drillbits not also improve their quality?
I've just changed the brushes in my Makita LXT drill. After 49 years of doing stuff, I've never needed 3 hands, one to hold the screw, one to hold the drill, and one to bang the back of the drill to *engage* the brushes.
I'm not sure this is correct hahaha
The VFD noise made my dog JUMP! He needed the exercise anyway.
Lie Nielsen is the bee's knee -- I have their box plane and it's just a pleasure to use.
Great so see you back at it again. What a beautiful plane! thats a nice gift indeed. regarding the low noice compressor, guess I'm spoiled with an airbrush compressor at 30 db, but i cant compete with the volume of air of course... ;)
Awesome set. I've been having an eye on those and would like to get the plug cutter set with it. Totally worth it!
You might want to set up some air-reservoirs close to each use area. Those air-lines will give quite a bit of air resistance.
I vote for using the VFD to upgrade the metal lathe to a 3 phase AC motor with proper speed control.
The dc motor solution normally installed in these types of lathes, are a bit low on torque at low RPM.
You will enjoy the upgrade if you are doing any screw cutting in the future.
Your videos are great I specially like how very straightforward they are ! Thanks for posting them ! Have a wonderful day !
Happy to see you back. Love your creativity and simplicity of solving unexpected problems. Hope Engineering School is going well.
Go the Aldi air line. Going by the colour and lack of cutting capacity I'm guessing the old Forstner Bits were Aldi as well? :)
I bought some Aldi Spade Bits a while back. All of them were bent. Garbage! Although I have acquired quite a collection of their squeeze clamps, and the backpack vacuum cleaner I bought this week can pull aircraft out of the sky.
WARNING- Don't use compressed air near a lathe!!!! One of the first rules of machining. Use a brush, it will prevent chips from getting inside the lathe.
Now that you have the cheap and the good ones, you could look at some differences and if its possible to modify the cheap ones to be more like the good ones, so people could upgrade their cheap stuff themselves...
I think the dust collector would be a better choice for the VFD. If you don't know about it, look up "87Hz", you could get a lot more power out of the dust collector for free by running it faster.
The effort adding a microswitch on blast gate and some relay logic. I would recommend you a star/delta starter for bandsaw.(You don't have to buy it,just buy two contactors and timer relay)The relays would probably solve logic for the collector (big machine switches hi fr./delta and small lo fr./star)
Hi Marius, without reading through all the other posts to see if already mentioned, why not try that VFD on that nice Record wood lathe of yours? Its a match made in heaven.
0:13 Good video. Just wondering why you couldn't have just drilled the holes of the original holder out to accommodate the slightly larger shank? I suppose you've thought of that already, and it's always good to have an excuse to make something!
Hello Marius,
Greetings from Idaho!
Just checking up on you cause I haven't seen any new uploads on your channel. I do remember you saying that you are heavily involved in your engineering course, hope that is going well for you. Look forward to seeing some more uploads as soon as you are able. Peace my friend! 😎
Wow, what a diffrence a bit makes
Bandsaw makes more sense than extraction really. Although it could be cool to see you do the wiring and stuff on the extraction.
Thank you for showing that 3D printers can be realy useful and not just for printing stupid figures and toys.
Hey Marius,
schön mal wieder ein Video von Dir zu sehen :)
Mit dem Kompressor hast Du für den Preis ja einen echt guten Fang gemacht.
LG Johannes
You could use the VFD to have the CNC router speed managed by Grbl/G-code and also have it run slower than it can do by itself.
How did you cut the curve on the back dowel of the plane holder? Glad to see you back uploading videos again! :)
Mostly by hand with a chisel and a sanding drum on the drill press
I know it's the Holiday Season, but will you be coming back to TH-cam? I miss your shows.
i would say use the VFD for your laymachine or drillpers, somethimes it is more handy. You can than run for some application very slowly.
I would use the VFD on the bandsaw, it should be a quick easy install and you will be able to use it right away. You can always move the VFD to the dust collector later on, it shouldn't be too hard to restore the bandsaw back to how it is now.
If you put the VFD on the dust collector, you have to install all the wiring and switches before you can get to use it, and if you decide afterwards to move the VFD to the bandsaw you will be left with wiring to your blastgates which is no longer needed.
I would go with the bandsaw.
For the dust collector variable speed doesn't seem to make much sense to me, and both soft-start and brake can be done within some limits without a costly VFD.
Put the vfd on the lathe. It's the only device that you've listed that'd make a great use of the vfd
Did you consider just drilling the holes a bit bigger?
I think you need the VFD on the bandsaw more, and it being the much easier project is another benifit :D
Glad you are posting video's again.
What jack plane did you plan to buy before you got the LN? S or V maybe?
And what speed do you use for the larger forstner bits?
Very interesting! And yes, it's loud. Thanks for the warning.
Great video as always! I'd definitely like to see the variable frequency drive on the band saw, I was thinking you could put a metal cutting blade on the band saw and run it nice and slow and possible cut metal. Of course maybe the motor wouldn't be very powerful at a speed that slow.
So gut dass du wieder da bist - ich habe deine Videos vermisst. Du hast wahrscheinlich mit deine Schul Arbeiten viel zu tun. Aber deine Videos sind immer eine Große Vergnügen von sehr hoher Qualität. Danke vielmahls.!.!.!
How about the VFD on the compressor? Thanks for the shop update video too.
Would be much better to use a soft starter instead of a vfd if you only intend to ramp up the speed of the band saw. Running a vfd for the dust collector on the other hand makes sense as you can control the speed depending on what tool you are running and how much vacuum power you need. More work, but a better use of a vfd
Hello Marius can I just say that based the videos of yours I have watched and that I all of them I feel I must say the you and your Chanel are surverley Under what you do is just amazing
Kind regards Keiton from Australia 😃
The bandsaw seems like it needs the VFD more. Also nice catch on the outtakes.
quick question marius what made you decide to do this method as opposed to just widining the holes slightly?
Longer video = more ads?
Also, it's not that difficult to sharpen a forstner bit with a diamond hone, save money, reuse, recycle, repair, restore and stop wasting resources
Ah right, I'm subbed to this channel. I forgot :D
Are you sure you have the VFD set correct? I have seen squeal like this when the VFD is not set correctly
Der gute Wulf-Knapp Kompressor :)
Holz ??? Sehr gut... : )
Ich spionier immer bei den Holzwürmern rum ;)
I checked up the link for the compressor. It seems that the drain screw for the condensation water in the tank (not the filter) is installed slightly sidewise. Do you have to tilt the whole compressor to get the tank dry or is there a pipe inside that goes to the bottom?
Famag forever, drillbits also the very best you can get
the only tool i could imagine a variable speed would be particularly useful would be for a moulder, which you could make... which i would enjoy watching...
use the VFD with the band saw to lower its speed and cut metal with it or do the same with the table saw to also cut metal with it(more dangerous)
I'd say use the vfd on some sort of a sander. Maybe make a new one that's 3 phase
Use vfd for the dust collection much more usefull than on the bandsaw!
I came from Zack of all trades channel now i am a subscriber here as well. Thank you for the video's
Merry Christmas !
I think it would be cool to have the VFD on the dust collector. Great video
Hi!
I want to buy a mini tablesaw and don't know exactly which one is the best.
I need your recommendation.
Thanks!
The forstner bits you linked to don't appear to be exactly the same as what you show in the video. Yours seem to have some extra cuts running around the circumference of the cutters, the ones on the linked site do not. Both have the cuts running longitudinally though. Not sure if this makes a difference but I like the look of yours better, seems like they would run cooler.
+John H that's true. The picture shows version 2 of these bits,which I ordered. But then I got the newer and better version 3. I guess they haven't updated the picture
What about build a belt sander to use the frequency variator?
Use it on "knifemakers" belt sander. Dont have belt sander? Build one! :D
Object77b that's what I was thinking. Maybe it's because I make knives, but they are perfect for a home made belt sander.
I agree, but also very handy in a bandsaw if you want to cut steel
Hallo,
Welche Tischbohrmaschine verwendest du, bist du zufrieden
why dont you use the vfs on the wood and metal lath? those are the tools we use it for (and rarly the bandsaw) we have it setup on a board with a outlet amd a wired remote so that we can easily take it to the toll we want to use it on.
His wood lathe runs on a single-phase induction motor. Regular VFDs cannot drive these. Also it already has gearing.
His metal lathe either already has a VFD or also uses a single-phase induction motor. Also it already has gearing.
If these are industrial standard motors he could replace them with three-phase motors and use the VFD. But if you need a specific standard motor you likely need to buy it new, which is far far more expensive than scavenging them.
Great Work, the 3d saves your life.
Nice stuff, this looks better and better all the time!
Can you add a link, or at least a name for the hand plane that you received? Thanks Marius!
I'm so confused why you didn't just drill the holes out larger in the old forstner bit holder--I must be missing something.
If you have a beltgrinder, that would be my recommendation for using the vfd!
You made your choice, bandsaw
Why don't you change motor on the lathe and use VFD there?
Very convenient!
Für deine Bandsäge könntest du auch ein sanftanlaufgerät verwenden
que maravilha estas novas Forstner
perfeito os suportes
Hi Marius! After all this time how do you find those forstner bits? worth the money?
Thanks :)
Yes, they are totally worth it
What about the air pressure drop of all these flexible hoses?
@14:15: Klemmschellen gibts in allen Größen, und die Halte-Nasen schauen kompatibel aus.
You Sir are awesome. Greets from Finland!
Spindle speed control for your cnc. You'll need to upgrade to a proper spindle motor though.
Still want to know what 3D printer you have .... hoping its something like a home build hypercube rather than an Anet A8 ...... my bet though is that its a genuine Purusha i3 .... because you know, your gear is all higher end.
A Tevo Tarantula 3D
:) still a good printer
You can make those gold bits cut if you sharpen them carefully with needle files!
I've already done that.
I'd suggest upgrading your cnc router with vfd drive
Good video mate. I don’t know what type of plane you originally had on your wish list but the Lie Nielsen planes are outstanding. 🇦🇺👍