@@SARGENTDOODLElol have u seen these prices on scats??? Dealerships have the audacity to price 60K+ on a SCAT😂 for what they’re charging I can get me a better car that’ll walk circles around it
@NycX360 comfort, design, v8 engine, quality, materials etc. If you want speed, go drive motorcycle. They have best/fastest cost speed ratio. I will take LC500 over Q60.
@@user-nifinei34jd9 Got it, personally i wouldn't get either. Many people also want speed, but do not want to drive a motorcycle. The RC F would have been a better comparison.
Compared to the RC-F, the Q60 Redsport is quicker to 60, similar 1/4- mile but slower trap speed. It would be very close with the Q60 getting the jump off the line, then the RC-F closing the gap to the finish line to a neck and neck finish.
@TheBreakfastLover Accurate I'd presume. Those should be similar results Q50 vs IS500. The RCF is heavy as well but I'd expect the Q60 to have a slight edge. Low speed roll race the 7AT is gonna ensure a Q loss.
@@ryancrawford8042 Yes, it would stomp the Q60. I would venture to say that the GS F would do the same. Have driven all 3 Lexus models and they are all fabulous.
@@jimwallace4164 it's an obvious match-up that strangely has never come to fruition. The LC500 is a bit slower than the RC-F (1/4-mile 12.7 @113mph RC-F, vs 13.0 @112mph LC500), so if the LC500 can beat the Q60 Redsport, then it's reasonable to conclude the RC-F is the top Japanese performance coupe (BMW Supra excluded). For reference sake the Q60 Redsport 1/4-mile 12.8 @111mph, so I think the Infiniti should have this in the bag vs the LC500.
@@TheBreakfastLover Obviously being my car used in the race here I know the results but your reasoning is logical. The RC-F is likely quicker because it weighs less than the LC500? Keep in mind before tomorrows release of the video, that my car does have some bolt on modifications (3"LDPs, 3" full dual CBE)
@@kami_dred7319 wouldnt be better as far as the quality, it would just be faster. If speed is your concern, q50/q60 are not even fastest in the price range as the competition.
@@ChingchongWong-u5t It’ll outperform the Germans as well. Won’t be the first time JDM (esp. Nissan/Infiniti) have done it. Q50/Q60 just need a better tranny for the VR30 but a tcu tune should keep the 7spd competitive.
We as car enthusiasts focus (at least most of us) on engines so much and forget about how transmission is equally important for car performance. And that Q50 Eau Rogue with 560hp GTR drivetrain would be so dope. But it got canceled. ☹️
Would of been 70k out the gate they would of lost because they were/did mass produce it which paid off for them. They gave the ppl what they wanted which was the q50 twin turbo with after market support. Not a 4 door gtr....they went with a 4 door baby GTR which help keep they're buyers interested in the GTR by ppl graduating to one.
A lot of people dont take into consideration too, the wheel weight factors, drag coefficiency, gear ratio/amount of gears as you stated, etc... having power is nice. But if youre car has variables that counter the power its putting down, its just a number that looks good on paper to justify a high price tag. Example, I had a 2004 Chevy Cavalier (2dr, 5spd, BASE model had only manual windows and locks). I put an LSJ (Cobalt SS) engine in it, upgraded the blower/everything, and was about 300whp. My friends lightly modded MazdaSpeed 3 was dead even on highway pulls, race after race. I had heavy 14" steelies i used as daily driving (and for a more sleeper look). I went home, swapped on my 17" wheels that were about 8lbs lighter per corner...and i was consistently walking him afterwards without any other modifications. Sorry for the long response, but as you stated, people forget there are other factors in how quick a car can be besides its final power output.
I already know who will wins that race , but I’ll take Lc any day ! Why not racing cars in a circuit with sharp curves and son on instead of drag racings ..? 99% of people race cars on streets but that’s different straight lanes .. if you know what I mean . Anyway love your videos . 👍
let me guess: Toyota fanboy which now crying, despite the fact toyota products usually LOOSE any kind of races? On the track in mainly about THE DRIVER, then about TYRES and brakes. Then if that expensive garbage will loose as they always do..😂..those fanatics like you will ask for ..offroad race maybe? Or drift race?😂😂😅
That type of racing cost a lot more to do, and youtube revenue is crap. Since most ppl race in straight lines, this gives a good idea of real world racing.
Red Sport AWD all day. They get a lot of hate but its a better performance car. Toyota needs to step up their game. All the fanboys always find excuses to defend the name for some reason.
LC500 doesn't compete with the Q60.. I hope you realize that LOL Anyhow, the LC500 is fine as is. What do you suggest they should've done for the LC500? Or do you not understand how car companies and their development process works. You haven't a clue
The Infiniti could win by 3 seconds, I’m still buying the LC. I had a GS F, that I regret selling damned near daily, that was such an incredible car. The sound alone was worth owning. Not to mention the Levinson sound. It was a monster. Will get an LC once I’m not hauling kids for a living.
I see it for many drag races that the HP numbers from Lexus for the NA 3.5 L V6 and 5 L V8 engine is very optimistic, they loose all the time to cars where have 10 - 20% less HP as the Lexus cars.
the Lexus is super heavy, and the VR30 produces a ton of power down low when the V8 is still getting up to speed (as is the case with a lot of I6/V6 turbos/twin turbos). In some ways I view the LC500 as like a modern '50s Ford Thunderbird. It's huge, it's heavy, it's powerful, but ultimately it's a very stylish and cool cruiser.
@@alengreen589 TL;DR: I'd argue the LC 500 really is that heavy, that turbocharged engines are deceptively powerful throughout their rev range so the output gap is smaller than most people think, and that none of this really matters because the LC 500 is a much nicer, better built car than the Q, or a Mustang (etc.) which added a lot of weight but made sense for what Lexus was going for. In-depth on weight: The Mustang GT and Camaro SS are respectively about 500 pounds lighter. The LC 500 is pretty much straight in line with the notoriously overweight Challenger Scat Pack and its 6.4 liter V8 in terms of weight. We might say that the LC500 is more like cars like the 840i or Audi S7, but those are turbocharged cars so it's difficult to use the same analysis on them. Even the contemporary Aston Vantage is a twin turbo V8 now. In-depth on powerbands: The other big factor is that it doesn't make 70 horsepower more; it makes 70 horsepower more at its absolute peak which its near for maybe 1 or 2 seconds in an entire drag race. At 3,000 RPM, the VR30 makes about 25 more horsepower than the V8. Right at about 4,500 RPM they're making roughly the same power (around 300 horsepower to the wheels). At 5,500, the V8 is putting down roughly 360 horsepower where the VR30 is right around 340. At each engine's peak power, to the wheels, the Lexus is putting down 50 more horsepower than the Infiniti, which is line with what we'd expect with normal drivetrain losses to each. Of course, take these numbers with a grain of salt; they're from different dynos on different days, so results will vary, but then, each engine will vary in the real world too as they respond to humidity, atmospheric pressure, and heat differently from each other, so even idealized dyno comparisons will be off in the real world. Anyway, the gap doesn't even begin to open up until right around 5,500 RPM as the VR30 levels out to the redline but the 2UR keeps pulling, as naturally aspirated engines are want to do. Then it's just a question of gear ratios; is Lexus able to keep that engine consistently above 5,500 RPM for the entire race and stay in its area of advantage (I have no idea). In which case it'll have between a 25 and 60 horsepower advantage throughout the remaining powerband. That relatively small horsepower surplus over a relatively small part of the power band has to stave off a ~300-400 pound weight difference (this is the AWD Q, I think, which adds weight, but the ATTESA system disables the AWD system at high speed to reduce drivetrain losses, assuming no slip, so we can basically ignore that in a roll race) and an engine that, from the press of the throttle, is inherently more responsive so it gets out of the gate quicker at low to mid range RPMs. Turbocharged engines are just faster, all things being equal, to their naturally aspirated counterparts assuming they have equal or similar peak horsepower and assuming that number is reported honestly. But I and most people would rather have the character of the V8 over even an excellent turbocharged engine like the VR series. In-depth on why none of this matters: As nice as the Q is, or really was when it came out something like 9 years ago, the LC 500 is a whole other class of quality and craftsmanship. All of that reinforcement, sound deadening, and essentially art work in the interior design has added a lot of weight. But it was the right call, because the LC 500 is a very traditional GT car whereas the Q is a sports sedan/sports coupe and can get away with being less well-built and rougher around the edges in exchange for performance.
@@elenchusGreat write up and analysis of the power trains. I wasn’t surprised at all to see the Q60 pulling at lower speeds but I still wouldn’t buy one. I used to own the mechanically identical 2018 Q50RS AWD, and it was a love/hate relationship. Loved the engine and to my eyes, it was overall a very pretty car although I didn’t love all of the styling elements on the outside. Inside was nice but not setting any standards for the segment. But the biggest problem with the Q50/60 is that dumb Jatco 7AT. It’s truly at least 10 years behind the class. The chassis is good but not great, and the ride is frankly inexcusable for the semi-premium class it competes with. It’s like it left the factory before the chassis and suspension tuners finished the job. They have had ample time to fix this and yet it hasn’t really had any notable improvements since it was launched, aside from the 3.0t engines coming along in 2016. It also gets noisy on the freeway, which is weird because around town it seems pretty quiet. I got rid of it last year and at times I kind of miss it but when I see one I don’t exactly want it back, if that makes sense. I replaced it with a ‘22 Model 3 Performance and I love it. But between these two cars, the Lexus may not be the ultimate drag car but Lexus’s are very special in their own right. Well made, comfortable, and it’s always obvious sitting in a Lexus that someone was sweating the details. Do I wish it was a little quicker to justify the six figure price? Of course. But I wouldn’t buy it for racing. This would be a date night car/weekend cruiser. And for that, it would be supremely rewarding just for the engine note alone. And comfortable to boot. All that aside, Lexus could have given it more closely spaced gears with a tall OD to keep highway fuel economy decent. I’ve never understood why they gave their 10AT such silly tall gears.
The LC although beautiful is not designed to compete in any performance category with any car. Its a car you enjoy keep clean go to cars & coffee and meets ...its ambience over anything performance. Rememeber the LC is slower than the IS500. It's the i8 vibe. And note a i8 is faster than a LC500. It's a gorgeous car...but for performance duty you would have to go RCF TE out of the line up. The LC is a beautiful example of ambiance and build quality.
@@SamCarLegionI'd rather have one LC 500 over 2 QS60s bc I wouldn't need 2 cars anyway. 😂 Just as I'd take one LFA over 3-4 LCs bc I wouldn't need 3-4 LCs anyway.
Oh please! The world DID know of Infiniti. 2003 through 2011 was an excellent era for them and putting other luxury brands on notice! Akin to what Genesis is doing nowadays but Infiniti being far more innovative. They were always the standout brand when it came to technology and design. Everything they were putting out at the time was desirable and true to its roots. Aside from the Q50 & Q60, everything else in their current lineup stinks. And mind you, the Q50 & Q60 are actually half baked products. Their saving grace is the engine, and of course the LOOKS, but that's it! They're mediocre products when measured in other aspects. They're nowhere near as sports oriented as the G35 & G37's that preceded them nor as RAW and that's a shame!
interesting to see the results also for the Q60 Quarter mile time i was curious 12.9sec the lowest i got with my Q50rs was 12.5sec so i am guessing that i had done less then 4.5sec 0 to 60 but the LC500 sounds so good gotta love that v8 👌👌
Q60 driver is pulling the old “yeah I have a JB4 but it’s on map 0 lol” I am a member of the Q family with a 2020 Q50s Awd Signature with ecutek tune and AMS heat exchanger . I tell people all the time I’m not tuned yet I’m about 400 AWHP (anywhere from 390-405) depending on dyno and weather I’ve been to a couple dyno days as well as the initial tune.
@@SamCarLegion I was asked below if I was tuned in a previous comment. The recently installed JB4, which is simply a boost controller, does nothing to the ECU mapping - set to Map 0 its stock boost levels. I'll fully admit the aftermarket exhaust helps free up some BHP, but its still woefully below the advertised 471bhp out of the LC500.
It's amazing they never give the Infiniti s enough credit it has become so bias recently that everything is bad about the them but when Lexus get smoke, they try to find so much excuses fir them ,SO SAD
Aside from the weight, the LC500 makes about 450hp crank at most. The 472hp figure is overrated. It's also lacking a bit in torque. The Q60 is rated at 400hp crank but it actually makes around 440 - 450hp stock, and of course, much sooner in the rev range vs the V8 which has to be spun all the way to 7000 rpm to get all the good juices out of it! That's not a bad thing though, who doesn't love a good high revving V8? The results here are no different than what we saw with the IS500 against the Stinger. A good turbo V6 will almost always outrun an aspirated V8.
LC needs a supercharger or twin turbo! That Lexus is so heavy! It needs like 100 extra HP. The Infiniti needs a new engine and infotainment system ! The 400hp engine hasn’t changed in like a decade lol. The interior infotainment system is also old! The Q60 basic should have close to 400hp, the Q60S should be in the mid 400hp and red sport should be closer to 500hp. Most performance coupes have close to 500hp or more. Lexus RCF is lighter way faster than LC500, ATS V COUPE, M4 coupe etc. Infiniti needs to step up! LC500 is a GT car not sports car so kudos
The fact that I have never seen an LC500 on the road going over the speed limit in Toronto (on highway or streets) gives you an idea of who buys them. That said they are fantastic looking, speed however is definitely not a priority for the owners
Sad part is not that the LC500 lost its that is has no aftermarket engine support like the GSF,ISF,IS500,RCF. Damn lexus would not give me a cheap LFA for nothing!!!!!! With aftermarket support ppl would in fact buy more of the LC500. Someone needs to come up with a real tuning support for it in the near future. Lc 500 at 550/600 to the wheels! With that look and interior!🔥
LC500 in a drag race. I'm in agreement with the rest if the world. When Lexus was engineering the LC500 as the "Halo" model for the Global brand that is Lexus. Drag racing prowess was about #65 on the list of the top #70 things they deemed important. 😁.
listen to the engines rpms. once you stomp on it.. it screams and ur gone! I own the q50 rs trust me I know. the Infiniti's q50s and 60s are bashed on the mainstream when they are amazingly fun fast cars!
I would have thought the Lexus with + 70hp, and the 10-speed advantage to keep the revs in peak power band would not have lost since they are both heavy. Surprised. Great video
@@SamCarLegionthe RCF is faster then the Q60 Sam. Why do you make this many unintelligent comments. "It's heavy too." It's 400 LBS LESS THEN THE LC500 Can you read that?
Q60 turbo systems is cooled best when the car has airflow. Sit it in traffic and the intake coolant will soak up heat. Remedy is to increase front heat exchanger size, and increase the number or flow of electric pumps.
I own one and in South Florida so this is true. Car needs a bigger heat exchanger or it gets heat soaked in 1 run. This car is amazingly fast for its 400 hp. When those turbos spool, its on!
They didn't have a transmission for it. The GTR 6sp didn't fit in the Q50 chassis and the Q70 trans that they transplanted couldn't handle the power to be reliable. It was a fun experiment, but honestly, Q60 Project Black S was more realistic with the VR30 and a 165kwh battery for 565 total bhp. They had the 9sp AT so, that would have just been brilliant, but that, they dropped as well. Unfortunate really.
@@jimwallace4164 yea the Q60 Project Black S got closer to production than the Q50 Eau Rogue. I just liked the idea of a 4 door GTR car, it’s so cool. But I didn’t know the transmission was the deal breaker. And the Q60 Project Black S had a killer look.
Its amazing how the speed and gearing really boils down more to the transmission than anything else when there is a hp difference. Good race comparison.. That Lexus is a collectors car.
100%. Its all about how you put the power down to the wheels! Still cannot get over how sloppy the downshift is out of the 7AT at 30ish mph in 3rd. It just wants to chill at that speed.
Dude in the Q60 brake boosts each run from the dig. SCL, the LC has ALL of its power at the very top end. Had SCL brake boosted it would have been closer. I drive TF out of my LC with full bolt ons and is a great GT car, heavy as hell
Red Sports are denoted with a red painted "S" after the 3.0t, there is one on the back and 2 on the side, I removed the I-Line emblems on the fenders and replaced them with OE S.30t emblems.
Just tonput things into perspective, the Q60 was released in 2016 as a 2017 model. It goes ro show you how much effort Nissan/Infiniti put into their cars for the future. Shouldn't be a surprise they call the Q60 RS the baby GT-R. Edit: Thank you for the awesome video match. Next. Z Nismo vs Q60 RS vs Supra GR
The Q60 RS looks like it has the same 1/4 mile and 0-60 times like the Gen 3 S550 Mustang GT 10R80 and has Sam run these two cars against each other yet?
We ran my car vs the 5.0 Mustang 10sp and I easily took it off the line but the Mustang caught up at the end and won. Just shows the difference in the 10sp transmissions btwn Toyota and Ford.
@@jimwallace4164it has less to do with gears ratios and more to do with hp. Mustang has 389 wheel horsepower power compared to the q60rs 369 wheel horspower. The q60rs is also heavier.
@@2seepthe transmission on the Infiniti SUCKS and it does rob apart of the driving experience too The mustang runs a 11.9 quarter. Infiniti isn't close to that.
both cars are great. but the q60 awd only kicks in after it detects wheel spin. its not like a WRX where its engaged all the time. its a reactive awd. I enjoyed this!
Lexass is disappointing. Looks and luxury simply don’t match the performance. I’d like to see if the BMW M850i (another heavy v8 luxury coupe that’s about the same price) against it. Although, I think the Lexass would lose to a non full M car as well.
to put this is protective 2 things 1 you are racing a 50-60 K car with a 100-110K car . 2 the q60 can been tune with bolt on and get about another 100 to 250 hp
Nobody wants to see that incredibly ugly(by comparison) car line up next to those two pretty machines, especially the LC! It's no surprise that, many comments have been made even by journalists, of the nasty rear end and proportions.
I own an LC and while I love the car it is disappointing that it loses to cars half its price. Would’ve liked to have seen them add a turbo so it gets 0 to 60 in the 3s. 4.5 seconds is unacceptable for a car this special.
You can't add a turbo.. that's not how car development works. You think Toyota has a twin turbo V8? Fuck no they don't lol why would they EVER make one. That would require many millions in development cost for a LOW production engine that will almost never get used. That's suicide, you're asking for the equivalent of a LFA
The Lexus is a beautiful car, but, as usual with Toyota/Lexus products, there are always better performing and better equipped vehicles for less money.
@Boston2Boca The most important factors for me are driving dynamics and the specific features I'm looking for in that category of vehicles. I know how to take care of my vehicles, so reliability isn't a concern
The LC won't exist goofy. It's an N/a V8 holdout and if you're emotionless ass can't handle that then you don't understand cars well. N/a v8's are near extinct. What drawing board? What's your idea
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Lc500 is too heavy for drag races. It’s all beauty and touring only.
Drag race the world mate! Nothing is off the table.
Bro a charger scatpack would have sparked both and it’s cheaper and heavier
Then it should had 4 doors why make a 2 door car that’s still heavy as fk 😒
@@SARGENTDOODLElol have u seen these prices on scats??? Dealerships have the audacity to price 60K+ on a SCAT😂 for what they’re charging I can get me a better car that’ll walk circles around it
@@SARGENTDOODLEA Charger? Gross! 😂
The LC is still one of the sexiest cars on the road. It’s just a stunner in person. But its more of a comfort grand tourer than a drag racer.
True, But your paying all that extra money, for what, the looks?
@NycX360 comfort, design, v8 engine, quality, materials etc. If you want speed, go drive motorcycle. They have best/fastest cost speed ratio.
I will take LC500 over Q60.
@@user-nifinei34jd9 Got it, personally i wouldn't get either. Many people also want speed, but do not want to drive a motorcycle. The RC F would have been a better comparison.
@@NycXTool comfort and luxury and reliability
@@NycXToolthe rcf SLOW AS FUCK
Q60 is one of the most underrated cars out there
😂😂😂
@@layne4376 Not if you add coilovers and sway bars.
@@albertojeda6302 Beats whatever POS you drive 😂
@@layne4376 LMAO.
It is. I had a q50 red sport 400. Less than 50,000 miles and paid 30,000 for it. Would beat 99% of cars on the street under 50-60k
Two of the sharpest looking cars on the road today
You should match the RCF with Q60. You know it’s much lighter and quicker than LC. Cool video !
facts RC is almost 400lbs lighter than the LC lmfao
I have no knowledge of the RC F but is my assumption wrong that it would eat a Q60. Both in stock form?
Compared to the RC-F, the Q60 Redsport is quicker to 60, similar 1/4- mile but slower trap speed. It would be very close with the Q60 getting the jump off the line, then the RC-F closing the gap to the finish line to a neck and neck finish.
@TheBreakfastLover Accurate I'd presume. Those should be similar results Q50 vs IS500. The RCF is heavy as well but I'd expect the Q60 to have a slight edge. Low speed roll race the 7AT is gonna ensure a Q loss.
@@ryancrawford8042 Yes, it would stomp the Q60. I would venture to say that the GS F would do the same. Have driven all 3 Lexus models and they are all fabulous.
Lets go Q60!!!!
Q60s definitely gonna take it
This is also my initial reaction I’m about to find out for sure haha
Yeah Q60S all day. That thing is so fast.
id hope so, LC500 is bigger and heavier and more luxurious / luxury oriented
@@danielmiller9012 I’d much rather have the infinity any day in my fantasy land where I can afford either and don’t need to worry about repairs 😂
Infinity are trash
Yes finally! This is closest anyone on TH-cam has done to racing the Q60 Redsport vs RC-F. The LC500 is a good surrogate.
If we could find a local RC-F I'd totally offer my Q60S again as tribute. There just isnt enough of them around.
@@jimwallace4164 it's an obvious match-up that strangely has never come to fruition. The LC500 is a bit slower than the RC-F (1/4-mile 12.7 @113mph RC-F, vs 13.0 @112mph LC500), so if the LC500 can beat the Q60 Redsport, then it's reasonable to conclude the RC-F is the top Japanese performance coupe (BMW Supra excluded). For reference sake the Q60 Redsport 1/4-mile 12.8 @111mph, so I think the Infiniti should have this in the bag vs the LC500.
@@TheBreakfastLover Obviously being my car used in the race here I know the results but your reasoning is logical. The RC-F is likely quicker because it weighs less than the LC500? Keep in mind before tomorrows release of the video, that my car does have some bolt on modifications (3"LDPs, 3" full dual CBE)
Are you tuned ?
@@jordanfrye1280 JB4. For this race, Map 0 (stock map)
Love the LC and would prefer that if i had the money. But the Q60 is a relative bargain and defo wouldn't be unhappy to have that as a daily 👌
If i had the money I’d buy a q50 and mod it and it would be better than the LC
@@kami_dred7319 good call 👌
Wouldn’t get Lexus coupes for there prices it’s really not worth what they ask for
@@kami_dred7319 wouldnt be better as far as the quality, it would just be faster. If speed is your concern, q50/q60 are not even fastest in the price range as the competition.
@@floggyWM1 what are the competitors
The RedSport is going to dominate nearly everything once he moves onto AMS catalog ;-)
Not any german cars but sure
@@ChingchongWong-u5t It’ll outperform the Germans as well. Won’t be the first time JDM (esp. Nissan/Infiniti) have done it. Q50/Q60 just need a better tranny for the VR30 but a tcu tune should keep the 7spd competitive.
Sure, whatever makes you feel better. Lol
@@ChingchongWong-u5t A german car will break down before it even gets to the race
@Jagthebag then why were BMWs the 3rd most reliable car brand in the world in 2022. Thats a german car brand 🤡🏌️♀️🫵🏾🤣
We as car enthusiasts focus (at least most of us) on engines so much and forget about how transmission is equally important for car performance.
And that Q50 Eau Rogue with 560hp GTR drivetrain would be so dope. But it got canceled. ☹️
Would of been 70k out the gate they would of lost because they were/did mass produce it which paid off for them. They gave the ppl what they wanted which was the q50 twin turbo with after market support. Not a 4 door gtr....they went with a 4 door baby GTR which help keep they're buyers interested in the GTR by ppl graduating to one.
A lot of people dont take into consideration too, the wheel weight factors, drag coefficiency, gear ratio/amount of gears as you stated, etc... having power is nice. But if youre car has variables that counter the power its putting down, its just a number that looks good on paper to justify a high price tag. Example, I had a 2004 Chevy Cavalier (2dr, 5spd, BASE model had only manual windows and locks). I put an LSJ (Cobalt SS) engine in it, upgraded the blower/everything, and was about 300whp. My friends lightly modded MazdaSpeed 3 was dead even on highway pulls, race after race. I had heavy 14" steelies i used as daily driving (and for a more sleeper look). I went home, swapped on my 17" wheels that were about 8lbs lighter per corner...and i was consistently walking him afterwards without any other modifications. Sorry for the long response, but as you stated, people forget there are other factors in how quick a car can be besides its final power output.
@@dham99 yeah exactly man. Couldn’t have explained it better and you gave a perfect example too.
Q60 is an amazing car! Despite the detractors!
I already know who will wins that race , but I’ll take Lc any day ! Why not racing cars in a circuit with sharp curves and son on instead of drag racings ..? 99% of people race cars on streets but that’s different straight lanes .. if you know what I mean . Anyway love your videos .
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let me guess: Toyota fanboy which now crying, despite the fact toyota products usually LOOSE any kind of races?
On the track in mainly about THE DRIVER, then about TYRES and brakes. Then if that expensive garbage will loose as they always do..😂..those fanatics like you will ask for ..offroad race maybe? Or drift race?😂😂😅
That type of racing cost a lot more to do, and youtube revenue is crap. Since most ppl race in straight lines, this gives a good idea of real world racing.
Where have u been? 90% races on youtube are drag races because tats what people watch. Its the spec sheet racers that are “car guys” now.
Red Sport AWD all day. They get a lot of hate but its a better performance car. Toyota needs to step up their game. All the fanboys always find excuses to defend the name for some reason.
LC500 doesn't compete with the Q60.. I hope you realize that LOL
Anyhow, the LC500 is fine as is. What do you suggest they should've done for the LC500? Or do you not understand how car companies and their development process works. You haven't a clue
Why they get Hate
The two best looking jdm coupes you can get under 60-70k
What about subaru brz
😂😂😂@@DBDYAKU
Man, that LC500 looks and sounds awesome, damn shame that the performance isn't quite so awesome.
So true, its like a 9/10 car because its not a quick as it should be.
@@jimwallace4164There is only so much you can achieve with a front engined NA RWD design. Its niche even in a niche GT category.
The Q60s makes more power than advertised from the dealer. Whenever they put them on the dyno stock they're making way more than 400 bhp!
definitely not dude. They are always under on the dyno
@@boostybotha355, well the original G35 was notorious for having more hp then advertised. Might be true, i dont doubt it.
@@xcaliburG37S I’m speaking from experience with my Q50 and seeing numerous other stock dynos
I wouldn't care if the LC 500 did 100s @ 1mph in the 1/4mi. I'd take that art masterpiece over most cars. 😂
You good sir get "it"!
you can keep that slow art 😂
The point of the LC is elegance and comfort, even when capable of gun runs its not it's purpose. It's like taking a Wrangler to a road sound test.
Weight matters & that LC is too heavy even tho it had more HP & TQ . But i’d still take the Lex tho 🔥🤌🏾
I find it entertaining how men argue over their cars like it’s a pissing contest 😎😂
The Infiniti could win by 3 seconds, I’m still buying the LC. I had a GS F, that I regret selling damned near daily, that was such an incredible car. The sound alone was worth owning. Not to mention the Levinson sound. It was a monster. Will get an LC once I’m not hauling kids for a living.
Nobody cares
@@youngfab9678he’s speaking facts though
@@youngfab9678 wrong
@@youngfab9678 nice to meet you, nobody
@@youngfab9678 You cared enough to reply to his comment.
I think this is going to be a very close one
I see it for many drag races that the HP numbers from Lexus for the NA 3.5 L V6 and 5 L V8 engine is very optimistic, they loose all the time to cars where have 10 - 20% less HP as the Lexus cars.
the Lexus is super heavy, and the VR30 produces a ton of power down low when the V8 is still getting up to speed (as is the case with a lot of I6/V6 turbos/twin turbos). In some ways I view the LC500 as like a modern '50s Ford Thunderbird. It's huge, it's heavy, it's powerful, but ultimately it's a very stylish and cool cruiser.
@@elenchus I would say that the weight is very normal in this V8 class and in the roll race normally the LC must win this with 70 HP more.
@@alengreen589 TL;DR: I'd argue the LC 500 really is that heavy, that turbocharged engines are deceptively powerful throughout their rev range so the output gap is smaller than most people think, and that none of this really matters because the LC 500 is a much nicer, better built car than the Q, or a Mustang (etc.) which added a lot of weight but made sense for what Lexus was going for.
In-depth on weight: The Mustang GT and Camaro SS are respectively about 500 pounds lighter. The LC 500 is pretty much straight in line with the notoriously overweight Challenger Scat Pack and its 6.4 liter V8 in terms of weight. We might say that the LC500 is more like cars like the 840i or Audi S7, but those are turbocharged cars so it's difficult to use the same analysis on them. Even the contemporary Aston Vantage is a twin turbo V8 now.
In-depth on powerbands: The other big factor is that it doesn't make 70 horsepower more; it makes 70 horsepower more at its absolute peak which its near for maybe 1 or 2 seconds in an entire drag race. At 3,000 RPM, the VR30 makes about 25 more horsepower than the V8. Right at about 4,500 RPM they're making roughly the same power (around 300 horsepower to the wheels). At 5,500, the V8 is putting down roughly 360 horsepower where the VR30 is right around 340. At each engine's peak power, to the wheels, the Lexus is putting down 50 more horsepower than the Infiniti, which is line with what we'd expect with normal drivetrain losses to each. Of course, take these numbers with a grain of salt; they're from different dynos on different days, so results will vary, but then, each engine will vary in the real world too as they respond to humidity, atmospheric pressure, and heat differently from each other, so even idealized dyno comparisons will be off in the real world.
Anyway, the gap doesn't even begin to open up until right around 5,500 RPM as the VR30 levels out to the redline but the 2UR keeps pulling, as naturally aspirated engines are want to do. Then it's just a question of gear ratios; is Lexus able to keep that engine consistently above 5,500 RPM for the entire race and stay in its area of advantage (I have no idea). In which case it'll have between a 25 and 60 horsepower advantage throughout the remaining powerband.
That relatively small horsepower surplus over a relatively small part of the power band has to stave off a ~300-400 pound weight difference (this is the AWD Q, I think, which adds weight, but the ATTESA system disables the AWD system at high speed to reduce drivetrain losses, assuming no slip, so we can basically ignore that in a roll race) and an engine that, from the press of the throttle, is inherently more responsive so it gets out of the gate quicker at low to mid range RPMs.
Turbocharged engines are just faster, all things being equal, to their naturally aspirated counterparts assuming they have equal or similar peak horsepower and assuming that number is reported honestly. But I and most people would rather have the character of the V8 over even an excellent turbocharged engine like the VR series.
In-depth on why none of this matters: As nice as the Q is, or really was when it came out something like 9 years ago, the LC 500 is a whole other class of quality and craftsmanship. All of that reinforcement, sound deadening, and essentially art work in the interior design has added a lot of weight. But it was the right call, because the LC 500 is a very traditional GT car whereas the Q is a sports sedan/sports coupe and can get away with being less well-built and rougher around the edges in exchange for performance.
@@elenchus Thanks 😀👍
@@elenchusGreat write up and analysis of the power trains.
I wasn’t surprised at all to see the Q60 pulling at lower speeds but I still wouldn’t buy one. I used to own the mechanically identical 2018 Q50RS AWD, and it was a love/hate relationship. Loved the engine and to my eyes, it was overall a very pretty car although I didn’t love all of the styling elements on the outside. Inside was nice but not setting any standards for the segment. But the biggest problem with the Q50/60 is that dumb Jatco 7AT. It’s truly at least 10 years behind the class. The chassis is good but not great, and the ride is frankly inexcusable for the semi-premium class it competes with. It’s like it left the factory before the chassis and suspension tuners finished the job. They have had ample time to fix this and yet it hasn’t really had any notable improvements since it was launched, aside from the 3.0t engines coming along in 2016. It also gets noisy on the freeway, which is weird because around town it seems pretty quiet. I got rid of it last year and at times I kind of miss it but when I see one I don’t exactly want it back, if that makes sense. I replaced it with a ‘22 Model 3 Performance and I love it. But between these two cars, the Lexus may not be the ultimate drag car but Lexus’s are very special in their own right. Well made, comfortable, and it’s always obvious sitting in a Lexus that someone was sweating the details. Do I wish it was a little quicker to justify the six figure price? Of course. But I wouldn’t buy it for racing. This would be a date night car/weekend cruiser. And for that, it would be supremely rewarding just for the engine note alone. And comfortable to boot.
All that aside, Lexus could have given it more closely spaced gears with a tall OD to keep highway fuel economy decent. I’ve never understood why they gave their 10AT such silly tall gears.
The LC although beautiful is not designed to compete in any performance category with any car. Its a car you enjoy keep clean go to cars & coffee and meets ...its ambience over anything performance. Rememeber the LC is slower than the IS500. It's the i8 vibe. And note a i8 is faster than a LC500. It's a gorgeous car...but for performance duty you would have to go RCF TE out of the line up. The LC is a beautiful example of ambiance and build quality.
looking to get a q60
It doesn’t matter what the outcome…If you can afford it you’d be insane to take the Infinity over the flawless architecture in the Lexus
You can buy 2 Q60s for one Lexus
@@SamCarLegionI'd rather have one LC 500 over 2 QS60s bc I wouldn't need 2 cars anyway. 😂 Just as I'd take one LFA over 3-4 LCs bc I wouldn't need 3-4 LCs anyway.
I did take the Infiniti, also the Infiniti has more features and is more practical than the LC and is faster.
@@Asiansxsymbolof course you would, you live for a Lexus
Uh I chose q60 because I could add performance mods unlike the Lexus.
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Infiniti is still the winner. There is something about Infiniti cars that the world did not know
Agreed. Loved by q60, dated interior and all
Oh please! The world DID know of Infiniti. 2003 through 2011 was an excellent era for them and putting other luxury brands on notice! Akin to what Genesis is doing nowadays but Infiniti being far more innovative. They were always the standout brand when it came to technology and design. Everything they were putting out at the time was desirable and true to its roots. Aside from the Q50 & Q60, everything else in their current lineup stinks. And mind you, the Q50 & Q60 are actually half baked products. Their saving grace is the engine, and of course the LOOKS, but that's it! They're mediocre products when measured in other aspects. They're nowhere near as sports oriented as the G35 & G37's that preceded them nor as RAW and that's a shame!
@@philhenderson3516very well put. It does suck honestly, Infiniti really needs to pick it up.
@@philhenderson3516 So well put.
I know from having a G37X. Nothing ever seemed to stand a chance.
interesting to see the results also for the Q60 Quarter mile time i was curious 12.9sec the lowest i got with my Q50rs was 12.5sec so i am guessing that i had done less then 4.5sec 0 to 60 but the LC500 sounds so good gotta love that v8 👌👌
stop lying ponk
Q60 driver is pulling the old “yeah I have a JB4 but it’s on map 0 lol”
I am a member of the Q family with a 2020 Q50s Awd Signature with ecutek tune and AMS heat exchanger . I tell people all the time I’m not tuned yet I’m about 400 AWHP (anywhere from 390-405) depending on dyno and weather I’ve been to a couple dyno days as well as the initial tune.
When did he say he is on Map 0?
@@SamCarLegion I was asked below if I was tuned in a previous comment. The recently installed JB4, which is simply a boost controller, does nothing to the ECU mapping - set to Map 0 its stock boost levels. I'll fully admit the aftermarket exhaust helps free up some BHP, but its still woefully below the advertised 471bhp out of the LC500.
Umm a stock redsport dies the same times that this car did.
@@occckid123that's on a drag strip from journalists you dumbass
This isn't
Are q60s and q50s gonna be the next cars as side shows? Ill stick with the LC500.
not only does the q60 look better but this video went how it should have 🔥
Very few people believe it looks better then the LC500 so idk why you'd say that in such a stupid way
@@roboticvenom1935 all subjective. there’s equal comments for both. the Infiniti is simply very beautiful.
Infiniti all day everyday!
It's amazing they never give the Infiniti s enough credit it has become so bias recently that everything is bad about the them but when Lexus get smoke, they try to find so much excuses fir them ,SO SAD
Aside from the weight, the LC500 makes about 450hp crank at most. The 472hp figure is overrated. It's also lacking a bit in torque. The Q60 is rated at 400hp crank but it actually makes around 440 - 450hp stock, and of course, much sooner in the rev range vs the V8 which has to be spun all the way to 7000 rpm to get all the good juices out of it! That's not a bad thing though, who doesn't love a good high revving V8? The results here are no different than what we saw with the IS500 against the Stinger. A good turbo V6 will almost always outrun an aspirated V8.
It doesn't make 450hp lol
@@roboticvenom1935 Which one, the V8 Lexus or the Q60 RS?
@@roboticvenom1935I own a RS & I’m curious to know where that info came from lol
LC needs a supercharger or twin turbo! That Lexus is so heavy! It needs like 100 extra HP. The Infiniti needs a new engine and infotainment system ! The 400hp engine hasn’t changed in like a decade lol. The interior infotainment system is also old! The Q60 basic should have close to 400hp, the Q60S should be in the mid 400hp and red sport should be closer to 500hp. Most performance coupes have close to 500hp or more. Lexus RCF is lighter way faster than LC500, ATS V COUPE, M4 coupe etc. Infiniti needs to step up! LC500 is a GT car not sports car so kudos
I like the LC500 but those Q60 Are beautifully made in every aspect .. Infiniti !! ❤
Every aspect? Brother the transmission junk(read any review) and the interior is painfully dated.
I’m taking the Q60rs
The fact that I have never seen an LC500 on the road going over the speed limit in Toronto (on highway or streets) gives you an idea of who buys them. That said they are fantastic looking, speed however is definitely not a priority for the owners
For some reason wealthy old ppl like to buy performance model cars where im from, and they dont push them and drive them like a 4 cylender cars, lol..
@@floggyWM1 Exactly! I don't get it. I'm not the youngest guy on the road but I drive my Stinger like its stolen every day...
Sad part is not that the LC500 lost its that is has no aftermarket engine support like the GSF,ISF,IS500,RCF. Damn lexus would not give me a cheap LFA for nothing!!!!!! With aftermarket support ppl would in fact buy more of the LC500. Someone needs to come up with a real tuning support for it in the near future. Lc 500 at 550/600 to the wheels! With that look and interior!🔥
LC500 in a drag race. I'm in agreement with the rest if the world. When Lexus was engineering the LC500 as the "Halo" model for the Global brand that is Lexus. Drag racing prowess was about #65 on the list of the top #70 things they deemed important. 😁.
listen to the engines rpms. once you stomp on it.. it screams and ur gone! I own the q50 rs trust me I know. the Infiniti's q50s and 60s are bashed on the mainstream when they are amazingly fun fast cars!
u got some of the best road car drag races.... Great work man, except there's too much talking than racing
I've been wanting this comparison for sooo long
Stinger vs Q60 redsport. Also wanna see Stinger vs LC500
I would have thought the Lexus with + 70hp, and the 10-speed advantage to keep the revs in peak power band would not have lost since they are both heavy. Surprised. Great video
He was manually shifting it which was slowing it down. Automatic mode is faster in almost every automatic car.. he's not a great driver
Good Races Sam. 32 mph auto is the sweet spot LC500💥
Thanks 👍
RCF would most likely be the Q60 red sport competitor with similar weights. LC is a few hundred pounds too heavy
RCF is heavy too.
@@SamCarLegion lmfao RCF is almost 400lbs lighter than the LC, making RCF lighter than the Q60. it would smoke that Q60 in a roll.
@@caillou2097 it’s heavy for a coupe 4000 lbs.
Q60s Vs RCF set it up Sam !
My Money is on the RCF in the roll.
Sport + 2nd Gear at 60mph..q60 will likely get walked
@@SamCarLegionthe RCF is faster then the Q60 Sam. Why do you make this many unintelligent comments. "It's heavy too." It's 400 LBS LESS THEN THE LC500
Can you read that?
Q60 turbo systems is cooled best when the car has airflow. Sit it in traffic and the intake coolant will soak up heat. Remedy is to increase front heat exchanger size, and increase the number or flow of electric pumps.
I own one and in South Florida so this is true. Car needs a bigger heat exchanger or it gets heat soaked in 1 run. This car is amazingly fast for its 400 hp. When those turbos spool, its on!
Insane cars !! ❤❤
VR30 🔥
RCF Vs q60 would also be good
Probably similar results. RCF is a heavy boat
Theres my guy with one of the fastest Q60s in the middle east. RCF would be a much closer race for sure.
@@SamCarLegionI beat the q60 rs with my IS 500 in drag
@@nobonesar clearly the Q60 had a bad driver, or he was asleep.
@@SamCarLegion Role reversal: The LC 500 lost because it had a bad driver or he was asleep
race a '21+ Supra 3.0 AutoTrans vs the infinity
Supra will SMOKE the Infiniti
Why would you do such a stupid unfair race
@@roboticvenom1935 unfair how? I'd say it's a good match.
Get a few go pros on the quarter panels/fenders so we can the entire race. Drone would be great too! Matt Watson does drag races really well.
Not too surprising, the LC is a lux tourer really, too heavy to be quick, good build quality though
That Q50 Eau Rogue with 560hp GTR drivetrain would be so dope. 🔥
But it got canceled. ☹️
They didn't have a transmission for it. The GTR 6sp didn't fit in the Q50 chassis and the Q70 trans that they transplanted couldn't handle the power to be reliable. It was a fun experiment, but honestly, Q60 Project Black S was more realistic with the VR30 and a 165kwh battery for 565 total bhp. They had the 9sp AT so, that would have just been brilliant, but that, they dropped as well. Unfortunate really.
@@jimwallace4164 yea the Q60 Project Black S got closer to production than the Q50 Eau Rogue. I just liked the idea of a 4 door GTR car, it’s so cool. But I didn’t know the transmission was the deal breaker. And the Q60 Project Black S had a killer look.
Its amazing how the speed and gearing really boils down more to the transmission than anything else when there is a hp difference. Good race comparison.. That Lexus is a collectors car.
100%. Its all about how you put the power down to the wheels! Still cannot get over how sloppy the downshift is out of the 7AT at 30ish mph in 3rd. It just wants to chill at that speed.
I’d still take the LC. Way better looking and better sounding car
The most important part should be that its simply just the better built car.
I love both Lexus and Infiniti! But I’m not paying 90k for a Lexus
Dude in the Q60 brake boosts each run from the dig. SCL, the LC has ALL of its power at the very top end. Had SCL brake boosted it would have been closer. I drive TF out of my LC with full bolt ons and is a great GT car, heavy as hell
What color is yours inside and out? Stock wheels?
LC500 is pure art
HKS downpipes and a stillen cat back on the q60, the sound destroys the Lexus. Makes it sound like a lil kitten.
Can you try q 80MPH Auto roll?
whats the exhaust setup for the Q?
3" non resonated AAM LDP's and 3" resonated dual catback also from AAM with 5" polished exhaust tips.
I want to see it against the is500 launch edition
Sorry, but how this car beat the Q50 RS is BS! If it can't beat the Q60, it definitely won't beat the Q50 RS.
Shouldn't the RS have an S badge instead of the base 3.0t ?
Red Sports are denoted with a red painted "S" after the 3.0t, there is one on the back and 2 on the side, I removed the I-Line emblems on the fenders and replaced them with OE S.30t emblems.
Just tonput things into perspective, the Q60 was released in 2016 as a 2017 model. It goes ro show you how much effort Nissan/Infiniti put into their cars for the future. Shouldn't be a surprise they call the Q60 RS the baby GT-R.
Edit: Thank you for the awesome video match.
Next. Z Nismo vs Q60 RS vs Supra GR
The Q60 RS looks like it has the same 1/4 mile and 0-60 times like the Gen 3 S550 Mustang GT 10R80 and has Sam run these two cars against each other yet?
Not yet
We ran my car vs the 5.0 Mustang 10sp and I easily took it off the line but the Mustang caught up at the end and won. Just shows the difference in the 10sp transmissions btwn Toyota and Ford.
@@jimwallace4164it has less to do with gears ratios and more to do with hp. Mustang has 389 wheel horsepower power compared to the q60rs 369 wheel horspower. The q60rs is also heavier.
@@2seepthe transmission on the Infiniti SUCKS and it does rob apart of the driving experience too
The mustang runs a 11.9 quarter. Infiniti isn't close to that.
I like both..but wow.. Infiniti got pretty good job 👍
both cars are great. but the q60 awd only kicks in after it detects wheel spin. its not like a WRX where its engaged all the time. its a reactive awd. I enjoyed this!
You should do higher roll races from 50 and 70 so we can see how the gears and top end power is
We did :)
Awesome! I just bought a Q60. The LC500 still, may be the most attractive cars on the road 😍
What about if we just start racing cars that are designed for racing???
I'd take the LC just for that lovely exhaust sound
It is also a much better looking car
Go Q60 I own a Q50, the Lexus is a beautiful machine great race Sam!!
These are the perfect gran touring/ comfort sport cruisers that should have a manual stick
Lexass is disappointing. Looks and luxury simply don’t match the performance. I’d like to see if the BMW M850i (another heavy v8 luxury coupe that’s about the same price) against it. Although, I think the Lexass would lose to a non full M car as well.
People don't go to Toyota and especially Lexus looking for performance; hence why they let BMW do the Supra
to put this is protective 2 things 1 you are racing a 50-60 K car with a 100-110K car . 2 the q60 can been tune with bolt on and get about another 100 to 250 hp
Should try vs Is 350 f sport next to see how the awd makes a difference :D
Throw my ‘23 RWD M240i in the mix 💨💨
Nobody wants to see that incredibly ugly(by comparison) car line up next to those two pretty machines, especially the LC!
It's no surprise that, many comments have been made even by journalists, of the nasty rear end and proportions.
Infiniti just better than Lexus on performances overall, definitely taking Infiniti over Lexus any day
facts. it’s been like that for a long time now.
Exactly
@@balmainattitudebut not on reliability OR luxury
That's why WAY WAY more people prefer Lexus over infiniti lol
@@roboticvenom1935 that’s great 👍
I own an LC and while I love the car it is disappointing that it loses to cars half its price. Would’ve liked to have seen them add a turbo so it gets 0 to 60 in the 3s. 4.5 seconds is unacceptable for a car this special.
You can't add a turbo.. that's not how car development works.
You think Toyota has a twin turbo V8? Fuck no they don't lol why would they EVER make one. That would require many millions in development cost for a LOW production engine that will almost never get used. That's suicide, you're asking for the equivalent of a LFA
Infiniti🔥🔥🔥👍👍👍🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪
That an Oris?cuzzzz it looks fkin excellent on the wrist👌
It is!
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Here I thought I was gonna be surprised of a touring car walking a sports luxury coupe
The lc500 to slow to be so expensive ☹️ i still love it though
Speed isn't everything. I hate to ask you this, but are you American? It's usually Americans who judge cars only based on performance and looks.
Nissan/Infiniti don't mess around!
they snuffed that lc so bad it hurts twin turbo and boost to the max all it needs
The Lexus is a beautiful car, but, as usual with Toyota/Lexus products, there are always better performing and better equipped vehicles for less money.
Less money gets you less build quality and reliability. You know, THE most important aspect of a car, or what should be.
@Boston2Boca The most important factors for me are driving dynamics and the specific features I'm looking for in that category of vehicles. I know how to take care of my vehicles, so reliability isn't a concern
@@shiftmotorsports9803 Your mindframe is exactly why American cars are trash.
@@Monaco377 I assume you think German and British cars are trash too
@Boston2Boca lol, because I enjoy driving and care for my own vehicles, American cars are trash?
Did I say anything about American cars?
I was already disappointed with the LC500 when the IS500 beat it. Looks like Lexus needs to take the LC back to the drawing board.
The LC won't exist goofy. It's an N/a V8 holdout and if you're emotionless ass can't handle that then you don't understand cars well. N/a v8's are near extinct.
What drawing board? What's your idea
I love my lc. Definitely would love a better support for aftermarket performance mods
ECU is being unlocked early 2024
Q to the front. The sexy old platform still delivers, but the Lexus is also a good looking car.
The Lexus is sexiest car here haha come on be real
The Infiniti sounds like it has an exhaust rattle.
It's the plate frame vibrating on the CF diffuser. My exhaust tip fitment needs adjustments. Modify your car they said, it'd be fun they said!
I wish the Infinity made a Wagon/Tourer version.
Lexus is all show and no go. It’s a beautiful car but doesn’t have the performance to match its looks.
Like most Lexuses and they heavy
I think cars that spin, you can launch in 2nd gear just to hook. Some tiptronic transmissions will let you do that
Looks like you were shifting paddles. That not automatic. Seems like your hating