I think you mean “comprehend?” 🙂 & I totally agree. Although it also really angers me that poor Ryan lived in that apartment for days with his dead girlfriend and had no idea due to extreme brain damage. 😔
@@ahtayb I agree. Stroke victims, TBI... caused aphasia often has names for similar objects crossed. Even objects can be crossed. An excellent book called 'The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat' was by a doctor, describing some of the odder cases he had e.g. people who took toxic levels of vitamins and couldn't feel their body and had complete loss of proprioception (a man threw something big and hairy out of his bed: it was his own leg) or a man who was trying to put his hat on, but kept grabbing his wife's head. One man wanted to ask for umbrella, but only the word 'hat' would come out. He knew he wanted protection from the rain but his brain had hat and umbrella switched.
@Fabian Morales Its likely his brain swelled so massively that his ocular nerves were damaged, No doctor would take a good eye or even an injured one with the chance it would still be partially functional. He had major damage to a very soft organ. That he lived that long with out care is amazing in itself. What they did do was probably a damage control operation releasing pressure by removing the skull cap at that point they would also need to regulate the pressure in his brain which is very hard balancing act of pulling water out of the body with medicines but not overloading the body with salt or reducing the blood-flow to the brain, other things can pass through the brain blood barrier in to spinal fluid as well such as sugar, again through osmosis, and too much or too less of anything will lead to lowered or no healing of the brain at all. All brain injuries are a delicate matter and yes docs make mistakes, but in this case i think it was simply a matter of to much time to allow further damage through bleeding and clotting of injured tissue.
@@howardkleger you're looking at this with too much logic my dude. Think about it He was shot in the face Anyone in there right mind would be screaming for medical care not handcuffing themselves to a table.
@@thecosmicalien7891 Well he wasn't in his right mind due to brain damage exacerbated by not getting medical care for 2 days, which in itself was likely due said brain damage.
@@bretth4988 no he’s saying that this kid survived long enough to tell the cops who did it, he’s not endorsing the cops, he’s endorsing the kids actions
Im a former cop from NJ - THE FACT THAT THE POLICE DIDNT PRIORITIZE MEDICAL ATTENTION FOR THIS KID **BEFORE INTERROGATION** is a MAJOR FAILURE and a GUARANTEED LAWSUIT WIN for the kid... It DOESNT MATTER WHAT HE DID - YOU MUST PROVIDE MEDICAL ATTENTION FIRST. Holy hell what incompetence.. This is DAY 1 KNOWLEDGE!!!! I sincerely WISH that ALL INVOVLED OFFICERS WERE FIRED AND EVEN CHARGED CRIMINALLY FOR THIS. SHAME ON THE PARENTS FOR LETTING THIS DISASTER GO!!!! Im SO ANGRY right now. I wish I never watched this shit.
I mean the black eye didn’t even look like a regular black eye to me. Especially to think a chic could give a guy a black eye like that is a little atypical as well. I’m not even trained but been in many fights and had many gf’s just upon sight didn’t look like customary black eye to me. If I was cop just to cover my butt and morally I woulda had him checked b4 anything. If turned out to be black eye interrogate if shot (since someone else in home was) obviously need start looking for suspects. For me woulda been common sense. Can always interrogate after being checked out. Would legally cover your butt and make interrogation more accurate as well. Between these guys rushing things and being sloppy and the DEI hires at secret service last week good examples why it should be mandatory that IQ tests should be given and considered among other important things when hiring people for jobs that directly impact society. You sound like a good hire though. Need more like you.
“That’s what I thought…” The police officer, someone who wields a gun but doesn’t seem to know bullet wounds, when he’s looking straight at them for an hour, was literally less intelligent & cognitively aware as a progressively declining, brain injured 18 yo. Even that he had a gigantic bruise to his eye, if all it was was that, could indicate brain injury. Along with the answers & the way he was giving them, even if he thought he had been under the influence of anything…seriously… There are numerous reasons why people want to reallocate much of the funding that police departments get. You cannot possibly train one person in 100, completely separate professions & ask them to juggle every individual case with the precision each deserves. Shit happens but, we have certain influence & opportunity to have less of it happen.
Detective: "They shot you in the eye with a revolver...you wouldn't be talking to me right now." Ryan: "How do you know?" Detective: "Cuz most likely you'd be dead." Ryan: "That's what I thought too, man. I really don't know." That's so heart wrenching...
Yeah the truama to even remember that. And the fact even the officer acknowledges the possibility of him surviving and yet he doesn't inspect that to be the truth. (I also feel that would make sense due to brain trauma)
@@2BsYummySoles I mean I am frustrated too at the cops, but I more frustrated with the officers who were at the scene then the detective who was given leads on the case by those officers. And being shot in the head is usually fatal so it is hard to believe, I am just glad the detective figured out what happen at all.
Agreed!!!! Enough with police brutality! My mom called police for help because a man attacked her and they interrogated her for over an hour before they got her medical care stitches and a neighbor finally came forward to corroborate her account wordfor word because the police came so fast her attacker whom she had never met said she was his girlfriend and was on drugs and had attacked HIM! They all but had handcuffs on her before the neighbor who saw the whole thing came out. My mom was in shock needed stitches all beat up and they treated her as guilty! Enough is enough!
Innocent until proven guilty is a joke. If you are accused of a crime you are often put in jail or put on pretrial probation, you then have to pay for a lawyer or pay court fees. When everything is said and done you could end up paying hundreds of dollars and fighting your case from jail for months or even years Often losing your house apartment car and job. And end up being completely innocent.
Shock. He was probably in shock and when your body sustains that much pain and damage you can’t feel it. When my appendix burst I didn’t feel the pain. I was in pain but I didn’t realize it. My brain couldn’t comprehend the pain.
@@spookyblookie3499 Yeah, now that I think of it, I had a teacher that suddenly got her arm trapped inside a potato machine, and she was so in shock and such a panic mode that she just yanked her arm out of the machine which saved her arm, and life. She said she was so in shock that she couldn’t comprehend the situation she was in. Why was that just suddenly happening to her?. Just utter shock. She said there was just a random innocent potato right there, so she decided to take it, and the horrific accident happened.
@@monicazeng7262 to be honest the guy looked completely out of it.He didn't remember what happened most of the time.I think shock is when you know your situation but guy didn't know his girlfriend passed away,and walk the house 2days.
Based on where he was shot he would have lost partial speech, majority emotional response, possibly some smelling, and a decent chunk of pain response.
I’m also just shocked that poor Ryan went to sleep several times and still woke up and was even walking, carrying on a conversation at all. His poor family... RIP Ryan and Heather.
I'm curious how anyone knows what he did inside the house for sure. Even if he said he went to sleep, did he really just as was stated or did he think he did but didn't. Too bad he wasn't given immediate medical attention as he should have. Cops have to do better than this. That eye does not look like a girl punched him, it looks more like he got whacked with a hammer.
@@mytrigger5613 Even if it was just "a girl punched him", not giving medical attention is immoral and everyone is innocent until proven guilty, it's not the job of the police to punish someone by letting him suffer by denying medical assistance.
@@mytrigger5613 since Heather died I think they could just estimate how many days the body had been dead for and surmise how long Ryan’s just been there
This is unbelievably frustrating. The most common thing in almost every story that I’ve heard from Ballen and dozens of other people is negligence. Negligence, ego, or lack of common sense is the gas that drives almost every single one of these situations. How the hell do you miss freakin bullet holes in a persons face?! How the hell does no one get punished for stuff like this?! Why does no one ever get truly punished for this crap?!
How can someone hear a person with a massive eye injury say "They shot me in the eye" and not AT LEAST just lean forward to take a closer look? How do they just conclude "well that's clearly nonsense" and carry on?!
@@MagpieRat theres a live pd episode of some african american man getting shot through the eye he didnt know until he got in the ambulance and the paramedic discovered that he couldnt see throught his eye yet he was blind in the eye so the man had no idea he was shot through the skull through the side of his eye
It is not that mind boggling when you know how little training and qualification is required to make someone a police officer in the U.S. In most western countries police officers require years of training and education, but here the requirements are far less stringent and the people who become police are grievously underprepared for the highly complex job that it can be. It's maddening and heartbreaking that the prime concern of hiring police is as revenue collectors and generators rather than actual professionals who serve and protect..
It seems like even though they thought Ryan had killed Heather, that it would be police department protocol to take him immediately to get checked out for his injuries. Six hours sitting in the police car at the crime scene? It was very badly mishandled. I really feel sad for these kids parents.
Absolutely moronic handling of this case. Guy has a black eye and is acting weird, couldn’t possibly have a concussion right? I get why the family didn’t sue but they really should have.
That's how they treat murderers. Unfortunately they made a big mistake. Had this guy actually murdered his gf no one would care that the cops left him in the cop car for hours and didn't give him medical care.
Most departments have policies to get them medically cleared or at least examined by paramedics... We can't be sure that Ryan didn't refuse medical care.. I am sure there are many more details that we don't know about and were not covered by the media (muh narratives and all). Also we can Monday morning quarter back all day and of course hindsight is 20/20 as they say but truly we will never know if it would have changed anything in Ryan's situation.... My friend shot herself in the head at 16, she didn't die and wound up being blind, deaf on one side and suffered from seizures... She got immediate medical attention and had a similar experience as Ryan... God kept him alive for a reason! I believe it was so these bastards could be brought to justice ⚖!
I didn't even get through half of this and suspected brain damage. My high school boyfriend was attacked and had a severe concussion. He acted exactly like this kid: confused and agitated. Edit: Poor Kid 😢
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The fact that he spent atleast two days just walking around the house thinking his girlfriend was sleeping was seriously sad. What he went through was horrendous. Edit: holy crap, thanks for all the likes! Stay safe out there guys 🤍
This reminded me of that story MrBallen also covered where the son slain his family with a hatchet and the dad that had the most severe injury to the head still got up his bed, did his daily routine, went out grab the newspaper and as soon as he walked back in the front door, he died.
When he realized she was dead after being told it truly is almost like the brain was able to register what was just said and better able to explain what happend. It’s crazy that brain damage of that level could some how be taken over by the inner mind and allow for him to remember enough to make it more clear. Its crazy to think that he was able to speak at all given the trauma he received to his skull and brain
Okay, not trying to be rude or aggressive or offend anyone, that isn’t my goal. But how could you believe this man could answer anything properly when his brain has that much damage? He is a victim. I wasn’t there so I can’t say who messed up where and exactly what should have happened. But blaming a man who tried to protect his girlfriend, got shot four times in the face leading to brain damage getting increasingly worse by the minute… That’s not right.
Regardless, the wounds were very clear and obvious and medical care should have been provided or he should have been checked, assumptions or not. Innocent until proven guilty is how our society should run, not coming to conclusions and withholding what, in this specific instance, could have been significant life-saving care that could have prevented further damage and in the end, perhaps his life would have been longer or he could have been more independent. Not a doctor and I don’t have a PHD or an understanding of neurobiology so I won’t claim to know for sure.
I'm a brain injury survivor, but my injury didn't come from a violent act. My injury came from a virus infection. My heart goes out to Ryan's parents and his true friends.
This made me tear up. Especially when I realized the only time he actually had some sense was when he heard Heather was dead and i personally think that shows the love he had for her. He couldn’t answer questions about any of his life or what’s going on but when he realized she was dead and not just sleeping, I know this is kinda cheesy, but it was like his heart told his brain to wake TF up for a second. God this was insane
Nothing you said is cheesy, I saw this interview on another channel a long time ago, and I ugly cried. Because he was so obviously lost and so obviously in need of medical attention. His brain was just compensating and rewiring itself trying to put things in place. Him saying arrows over and over. I was screaming at my screen, he’s been shot in the head! How do you not see this? Get him to a hospital! When they told him that Heather was dead, and not just sleeping. that right there alone should’ve told the police that something was seriously wrong with the sweet baby. I honestly don’t know how you miss a bullet wound clearly visible 2 feet away, when I immediately saw it in the video!.!. Why they don’t bother to get him any medical attention when he’s so obviously altered. Ryan never should’ve died, but I kind of get the feeling that he wouldn’t wanna be here without Heather. Makes me cry. Where I’m from it is mandatory upon a rest that everyone gets taken to the hospital prior to being interrogated, and that should be the case everywhere in every country, so no other mother has to bury her son who wasn’t guilty of anything. This whole thing just makes me ugly cry and I can’t watch it.
Truly one of the first things I'd noticed: "Okay his orbital's probably shattered and....what's that on his nose?" (quality's not that great). If they'd done even a slight injury assessment then they would've known at the very least that someone had broken a piece off the man and it probably wasn't Heather.
20:43 You can see the swollen part of his skull when the detective put his hand on his head. As someone who works in the ER, this blows my mind that he was still alert enough to communicate with that kind of injury.
Just by his groggy/nasally tone in which he spoke, his making no sense, was a clear indicator of a serious head injury, then add JUST the bruising alone & it doesn't take a 3 YEAR OLD, or a dog for God's sake, more than a few seconds to realize something is wrong & he needs immediate medical attention. These are adults, too...with yet another situation of $, over lives/health. This is what world we live in with evil growing more & more rampant. The spiritual warfare is out in the open. This breaks my heart so badly, that he just wanted to "go home" & didn't understand why he was in pain & how the only thing that made him perk up (out of any emotion he had left to display, with all he must have been going through....man, how evil could anothrr human be, to not both medically clear them both, esp seeing as tho 1 was already dead. Assumptions NEVER help. Poor couple. 💔I pray these 2 made it to heaven & be together again, after all they had to go through, but especially Ryan who could have been saved...what a fighter he was. I can't even imagine what he must have felt inside of his mind/body after all that. He lived through hell on EARTH, bc of evil & selfish ways. Man. I've heard some crazy stories, but this being so preventable makes me truly broken inside. Life is precious, if only we could take a walk in each person's shoes, maybe we would all finally understand. 😢💔
@@4CRprod as someone who works in the ER? Lol pretty vague. Not saying it’s you, but someone working at the front desk or as a janitor could make the exact comment and have it be just as valid lol.
it's unbelievable. They didn't look at this guy and think to send him to the ED??? This absolutely sickens me. and it's EXACTLY why I dislike law enforcement/ prosecutors in general. Always more concerned with making an arrest and making a case stick than finding the damn truth...so sad.
Detective : ''It is a bb gun?'' Ryan : ''No! It was a real gun man ! It was just a revolver! '' Detective : ''If they shot you in the eye with revolver you wouldn't be talking to me right now.'' Ryan : ''How do you know? '' Detective : ''Because most likely you'd be dead.'' Ryan : '' That's what i thought too man, i really don't know.'' BRUH this shit insane 😟 I wonder how detective felt after he knew that all the kid told was true.
I would've felt horrible and I'm sure Dalton did, too. I think it's more the police officers fault that they told Dalton he was the killer and that he had to get information from him.
Unfortunately, that's how the system works. A detective makes an initial assumption about what happened, then it is their job to do whatever they can to obtain information that backs their initial assumption. A lot of people are falsely charged based on such assumptions. Authorities hate to admit when they're wrong. They tend to view everything as black and white when that often is not the case.
They didnt care! If they run into this again, they’d act the same way! I used to be ALL ABOUT blue lives matter but ive been watching interrogation videos for about 8 months now, and these cops/detective will SAY ANYTHING, and theyll HIDE ANYTHING!
The fact that he was able to kick it into gear just enough to convey important information while suffering severe brain damage is a real testament to Ryan. Dude must have been a strong person before this happened to him.
We all knew he was a victim by watching this episode. But from the cops perspective there’s no way he would of known he had nothing to do with it. There’s a dead person living with him for 2 days. Are the cops suppose to automatically figure out what happened especially when Ryan isn’t making any sense? You would of thought the same thing so stop acting so moral and superior.
Let’s all remember-as frustrating as the cops and first responders are in this story, Richie and his deadbeat dad murdered 2 young people on Christmas for having the nerve to kick awful Richie out for being a shit roommate. Wow.
Exactly. There's no reason either one of those pieces of shit should be alive, they are exactly who the death penalty is for. The son has become famous for being a pos whose appearance has changed over the years - its good to know he's caught the hell in prison he deserves.
@@Disturbed928 I saw the pictures of his face but my mind wouldn't leap to bullet holes if I hadn't know before hand. Forgive me, I wasn't aware how many people survive gun shot wounds to the head.
Hearing him say “the girl on the couch is dead?” What was left of his brain, still loved her so much. I’m So sad for him and her. I can’t really believe what I just watched…
He said his girlfriend was 16-17 but she was 21. I wonder if thats the age she (or he) was when they first met. It makes sense such a memory would be one that gets kept. I wonder if part of him knew she was dead because he answered he didn't have a girlfriend. Looking at it as scrambled logic one would expect from a brain damage, it kinda makes sense.
I feel so fucking bad for him. He literally couldn’t even tell what was going on, but he knew that he didn’t do it. Imagine not being able to vocalize that
Hell Yeah dude when he said “Idk B” to the question “Whats the highest grade you completed” I was like WOAH! This kid is either Special Needs or SEVERE Brain Damage
It makes me sad for Ryan both because of what the murderers did to him and even more so for what the cops did to him. I'm not the only person who immediately noticed his childlike responses to questions which is a painfully obvious symptom of severe head trauma.
When the police arrived for the welfare check, they should have immediately taken Ryan in for a medical check-up. Even if Ryan had murdered Heather, the fact that he is still in the house, and apparently unaware of her death should at least have raised questions about his sanity.
Copa don't like to do their job they just want to close cases and act like they do good. You can clearly see the bullet holes in his face and instead of helping this guy they interrogate him. ALSO even if someone's a killer.if they have blood on them or cuts or whatever they have an ambulance look at them before they get an interrogation. It's really sad this guy died because of these cops when he was a victim. Defund the police man
That tells me that Ryan's brain damage was already severe -- perhaps irreversible. He'd been shot some 2 days before. Not much comfort to take from this story, but maybe the cops' neglect didn't worsen him significantly.
@@DeeRio9546 Defund them will help how? Giving them less training? You think offering them LESS money will somehow motivate them even MORE? If anything they need to spend more money on psyche evaluations and audits of these officers. Defunding them Is literally the stupidest thing you could do. Quit taking your political notes from twitter and educate yourself in the real world.
@@GrammarSplaining Agree but the cops should be held accountable. Their priority is public safety before all else, and they failed this man. I understand getting the bad guy is a priority as well, but safety and security if the community is always number one. Clearly these cops had tunnel vision and just wanted the perp. Disgusting and they should be ashamed til the day they die.
The most heartbreaking thing for me is that one moment when he was told Heather was dead, the way his seriously damaged brain kicked into life for a few seconds. So sad man
I find it kind of "ironic" when the cop said, "you wouldn't be here right now, if you were shot in the eye". The _fact_ that this case _exists_ shows anything can and will happen.
As incredibly sad as this is , if that poor boy hadn’t been interrogated, those murderers might never have been found . He stayed lucid long enough to state their names . RIP Ryan and Heather What a terrible story
I think it was the surgery where they removed part of his brain that impaired him. Had they left the bullet lodged in his scull, he might have remained normal albeit..a little fuzzy.
@@joeguarino "Waller would suffer seizures as a result of his injuries. His life would never be close to the same. 10 years after the ordeal he died from a seizure. He was 28 years old."
Fascinating find! Ty! Sadly, I knew right away. I'm just stunned at how very specific and apparently typical the cognitive symptoms are in tbi's and brain bleeds, with the muted affect, slurred, kind of groggy speech, language processing issues, short term memory failure, etc. I've seen this very thing b4-minus the bullets- immediately following what turned out to be a fatal fall. A family member injured their left brow and same left eye as that guy, but outwardly it was just swelling a little with a small nick. Immediately following the fall their speech and cadence was exactly like that kid. I can't explain, but so many little details too, just the whole vibe was just like that guy. I also cannot believe Ryan lasted even an hour, much less DAYS without medical intervention and with that kind of severe brain injury! My family member went from behaving and sounding exactly like that guy for maybe 20 min, got nauseous and passed out. Even at one of the best hospitals,fast intervention, the injury was beyond help. With epilepsy, after an especially bad seizure I experience many similar symptoms but only for a few minutes, then it's as though your brain is slowly flicking switches back on. To me a seizure really is like shorting out, and rebooting, or when electronics getting overheated and shut down. Either way, even if you're not medical personnel, aren't epileptic, or haven't seen it B4, a terribly swollen and literally blackened eye or face, odd behavior and slurred speech should signal at least that he's possibly concussed and should b looked at by someone. Ffs. Thanks again, John!
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That is only court and lawyer mindset. Not with all the precrime conditioning "professional" "thread assessment training". Everything in their work and training makes them tick different than enforcing actual law and keeping out of non-LE issues.
@@unknownuser8454 Well, even 2000 years ago the Book of Revelation said that the Reformation and Enlightenment period would in the end be overcome by a revival of the inquisition in the wordly realm.
I can't believe he's even talking man, and even remembers WHO DID IT! Incredible survival story, I can't believe the way this was handled, and I hope the family is doing okay. To hear their statement at the end is heartbreaking "We only want our son back. A lawsuit will not do that."
They did file a lawsuit but they're all corrupt, please watch This is Monsters' video on this case with an interview with his father to know what really happened, there is a lot of wrong information in this video
As soon as you said watch it again when you get to the end I knew exactly what case this is and all I have to say WHY NO MEDICAL ATTENTION BEFORE INTERROGATION?!???
The way he was punished for protecting his girlfriend and how long he had to suffer before he ultimately died from protecting the woman he loved is absolutely breaking my heart. I can't help wondering how much cognition he had during that decade before he finally succumbed to his injuries and what he must have thought about the ordeal he and Heather went through. This is beyond a heartbreaking case. (P.S.: Why the hell did Richie's dad help him commit this horrific double murder?!?)
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The way Ryan said "Ow my head hurts" when the detective touched his head while examining his face. The pain and agony he must be in, along with the confusion. I cannot even imagine what could have been going on in his mind. This is almost impossible to even comprehend.
More than likely nothing is going on in his mind. Very little. He probably felt like he was in a dream world or on allot of Xanax plus with allot of pain.
I don't usually comment but this is insane. Its amazing how his brain kept going enough to name the killers. I never heard of this story until now and you told it excellently. Rest in peace to both of the victims.
Had the cop been more concerned with the truth rather than getting a confession he might still be alive. His answers should have given anyone thought for concern yet this cop heard those answers and thought it might make his job easier b/c he was dealing with someone stupid.
It’s crazy how amazing the brain is. Also I feel so bad for him. He was telling the truth as much as his brain could put together and it was very accurate considering he had bullets and internal bleeding in his head.
It's truly horrifying how Ryan was in a zombified state the entire period after he and his girlfriend was shot. I just thought he was being dodgy with hid questions because he was hiding something. Damn.
It’s true, I thought for a bit that he’d gotten into some serious drugs that he’d either never tried, or maybe some bath salts or some shit. Turns out that wasn’t too far from the truth..
The way the story is told definitely gives the impression that Ryan was acting guilty, which is a sign of good storytelling! I saw an analysis of the interrogation w/o having much context about the crime and it was blatantly obvious from the start that Ryan had signs of a major head injury. I'm actually really impressed at how Mr. Ballen scripted the story to give the audience doubt, since it adds a lot of intrigue to it all!
@@jackdurden466 no.its very far from the truth. Getting shot in the face for nothing you did wrong is totally fucking different then knowingly and willingly taking bath salts or drugs
I immediately thought concussion when the cops were talking to Ryan at his house. When the Detective finally looks closer and you hear Ryan say, "my head hurts", my heart just sank.
Yeah -- that was really sad. Even after all that massive trauma, his brain was still able to recall events and articulate a story even though his brain was having issues formulating and conveying information. My guess is that one side of his brain suffered immense damage but the parts of his brain that handle speech and recognition of language were still functioning well enough to attempt to communicate with the officer. Just goes to show how remarkable the human brain is -- even after having bullets shot in it.
I've heard the story before. I knew the details, I knew the outcome, and yet, I stayed in and listened to the whole thing from start to finish just because Mr. Ballen is the best story teller out there. Thanks John ❤
I've seen the entire interrogation on another video. When you see a close-up of Ryan's face & realize the detective was looking at him for 2 hours, 2 feet away and didn't have enough sense to think he should be checked over is unbelievable. Police should have been sued for incompetency and stupidity.
I think they assume he’s already been cleared for questioning. It’s still grossly incompetent. How did everyone miss the fact he had been shot in the face??!?!)
@@lynnenewell2016 completely agree! US police even admit they use coercive techniques to get a confession. Why do you need to be sneaky if you have the right guy? Messed up system x
I thought that too! Poor, baby. My heart breaks for him. He wandered around, with his head hurting and letting his girlfriend sleep and not “waking her” on Christmas is just so dang sad. Man, f*ck Richie and his sh!tty dad
its not him anymore though.. its like most of the animals.. he doesnt even know he exists.. its just robotic movement and living from memory.. cant really explain in english sorry... in simple terms... i know from what happened to my kid brother.. he had cancer and went thru 13 operations on his head.. after 4th or 5th he was acting like this boy on the clip.. even though we had him around us for one more year after that we knew he was already dead since doctors told us and we saw for ourselves that he is not in there anymore..i dont know if i should be happy that we had him for longer..or sad and mad that we kept pushing just so we can hear his voice for a bit longer.. and hug him and kiss him.. just for our own sake... it destroyed both me and my mother.. i still dont know if its better to keep people alive when in such state.. but i know that they are not confused or scared.. they are not aware of their existance anymore since the brain is too far gone.. i dont know if this makes any sence but.. there.. he basicly died in the same time as his girlfriend.. all whats left was a body
Reminds me of the case of Peter Porco, who was struck to the head with an axe, woke up later & went on to do his daily chores, not realizing his injuries. Kinda similar to this. To me it just paints the most bizarre mind picture ever 🤯
@@naughtyvalues im not trying to be annoying here, but i would argue that in this case its nothing to do with sexism. from the detectives pov, he has been inside this house for two days with his dead gf on the couch. he hasnt tried to contact police or an ambulance, and he cant give a straight answer about what happened. if the roles were reversed, heather would absolutely be assumed guilty. hes just the obvious suspect in this situation
This is what happens when cops are trying so hard to quickly solve a case that they ignore evidence right in front of their eyes. What a miserable event. Poor kid.
Let’s not forget how miserable those killers were. This kid was mostly saved by his father. He gave him an extra 10 years of life by filing the welfare check.
This is also what happens when a Cop tries to play a Doctor (the first Officers at the scene noted injuries, but nothing serious), and downplay injuries without getting a professional's opinion because it cuts into time and everybody's patience. Take him to interrogation, get a confession; then call it a day. This is why I'm glad to see more instances of Departments and even individual Cops being held accountable for their actions, it forces everyone to take a step back to examine the person and the environment before proceeding with business/investigation...
That lucid moment he has when the detective basically says he's lying about being shot cause if he'd been shot he'd be dead. Then he goes "that's what I thought too man I don't know!"
Haha! He was with brain damage even able to correct and guide the tunnel vision blinded detective with simple, straight forward, aware replies! The "professionals" being blinder for hours than the brain damaged one which was soon after headed to a surgery where they will actually take his eyes out! Ain't professionals, can't be professionals after 6 months of training. In other countries real education and training is required to fill that position. But empathy and immersive thought seem to be an undesired trait everywhere in LE these days. The elites don't have use for that. The people would have had.
The brain is such a strange organ. I've had concussions before and they alter perception of time, relationships,feelings,taste,etc.etc. I could not imagine how this kid was feeling. He was alive technically, but probably was just there.
I mean, I used to volunteer for Learning Ally in LA, reading textbooks into audiobooks for those who have trouble reading print (for whatever reason), and I never even considered this aspect of this channel. Fantastic point! Super happy knowing MrBallen's channel is here for you, Jewel! (Also, I had an Aunt on my mother's side named Jewel. Wonderful, funny lady.)
@@jiosim1377 There are apps and stuff... Come on! Did you get shot in the head with a revolver four times too? At least three as your question suggests
@@jiosim1377 stop trying to be funny. There are braille programs for phones computers and a lot more that I'm sure sighted ppl don't even consider. So while your trying to be cute and get likes and what not. Hold your phone up to your face press the talk to text button and right as your about to speak....DONT.
@@rollomaughfling380 Great that you volunteered for learning Ally! They are a great company, do they focus more on people with reading disabilities these days. People who are blind to have so many options for reading now between screen readers and the price of real displays going down.e
It's beyond me that they didn't let a doctor examine him first. Even if he was the murderer, the injuries on his face/head were so severe and it was clear from his behaviour that he was dazed/confused even before the cop noticed the bullet holes. He either had a head injury or was on something. Either way interrogating him in that state was ridiculous. They absolutely should have given him medical care first, no matter what they thought or what the evidence was.
I was in a serious accident and hit a telephone pole doing like 60. I totaled my F-150 and hit my head really hard. I left the scene but before I left I grabbed a carton of cigarettes I had in my truck. I walked a mile from the scene and was confronted by police. They asked me if I was in a crash with my truck. I said I must have been in one. They took me to the jail and I woke up in a suicide room of all concrete with a wool blanket. I asked what happened why am I here. This guard said you’re in the suicide ward for trying to kill yourself. I sad no I didn’t try to kill myself. I was released a short time later when a friend bailed me out. The read the police report and didn’t remember any of it. A few short years later I had a brain aneurysm. I’m almost certain the crash caused my aneurysm. The Police never took me to the hospital but straight to jail. BTW that hurt like crazy. Get a cat scan if you have serious headaches. Maybe you can avoid that torture!
Even more sad is when you go rewatch the interview segments after knowing what happened to Ryan. There’s a segment where Dawson finally gets tired of Ryan’s ‘bull’ and flat out tells them there’s a dead girl in Ryan’s house. Ryan perks up and becomes invested in the conversation. “Is it Heather?” The detective responds “I don’t know.” Ryan was hanging on so much - and he was concerned for his girl so much that he pushed past his brain damage and for a few seconds, he was truly cognitive. Yeah Ryan slumps back over and ‘doesn’t care’ anymore, but that detective’s “I don’t know” becomes heartbreaking knowing Ryan tried his damndest to keep Heather safe, tried so hard to remember what happened, and was a victim just like her. R.I.P. to them both, but at least Heather’s death was quick and not drawn out.
This is heart breaking. Ryan died the minute he was shot, he wasn't Ryan anymore. There is a special place in hell reserved for the people who did this.
It wouldve beem the opposite if the genders swapped. If it was the girl with the black eye and the guy dead on the couch. The "detective" wouldve took her to hospital and assumed he beat her and thats why she shot him. These pigs should be in prsion.
I knew it. I suspected he had a bullet in his head the second they said he was confused and how heather died. I'm at exactly 5:08 and I believe I'm near the money mark
Before Ryan even spoke I suspected head injury. When he spoke and his speech was slurred and he was so confused I was feeling so frustrated that the interrogators didn't immediately recognise he needed medical attention. Poor guy. This is pure negligence. I'm a nurse but police should be trained to recognise head injury or concussion.
i'm only a cma/cna so i don't have the training to notice a head injury, they barely give us enough training to reconie stroke symptoms. yet i could see this guy needed help right away. i can't believe that even though they thought he was the killer, that they didn't take him in to get medical attention. just the way his face looked, deserved to have someone look at it. where was he going to go. when they take a prisoner in they handcuff him to the bed and have a policeman guarding him? However, had they done this. the surgery would have been done right away, But like he said there still would have brain damage done. so who is to say that he would have been able to identify who his killers were. they very well could still be on the loose, and maybe come back and try to finish the job on him at another time. as a nurse perhaps you ca explain to me why they had to remove so much of the brain. obiously he was still functioning somewhat with the bulle and shards in the brain. couldn't they have drilled a hole in the skull to relieve the pressure untill the swelling went down and then just left them in there. and i realize he was having trouble but with therapy couldn't he have been able to retrain his brain to use different parts, possibly? seems to me that not only the police made a horrible situation worse but the drs did as well. but then i'm no brain surgeon. so i have no clue really what is best for it.. hell we can't even get my seizures under control, lol
@@marytramp5678 I have no expert knowledge on neurosurgery but I could hazard a guess. When the bullets enter the brain they aren't sterile for starters. Bacteria from outside the body as well as skull fragments can be forced into the brain tissue. Leaving the bullets in the brain would increase the risk of infection and further inflammation. Also, you don't want sharp bone fragments migrating around soft brain tissue and causing further damage. In some cases, bullets or bullet fragments may be left in the body, but only when the risk of removing them outweighs the benefits. They may well have drilled a hole in his skull to relieve the pressure, but the damage was already done. The brain is still largely a mystery in many ways. There seems to be quite a bit of variation in how people recover from brain injury. But timely intervention is crucial as every minute that goes by, the bleeding and pressure can be increasing and causing further damage. The guy had a black eye, so at the very least he had suffered at least one blow to the head. That alone should have been enough for the police to recognise he was at risk of head injury. I'm gobsmacked that a senior policeman would continue to interrogate someone in that condition. It was very sad. I imagine I would be extremely upset if that were my son. Hopefully this case may have ignited some extra training for police officers and a review of protocol.
@@monie7693 thank you for that answer. i've read mmany stories how they have left objects in the brain before and was just curious. people are quick to blame the police on this and yes, they did a Terrible job of not getting him to the hospital asap, however i think people are failing to remember that he had been in this condition for about 48 hours before the police had even found him. i can't help but to think that a lot of this damage would still have already been done to his brain even though swelling can take days to happen. i agree with you though that something needs to be reviewed in a way of protocol. just looking at him one could see he needed to see a doctor. as soon as they put those cuffs on him, he became a ward of the state and his well being became their responsibility. they just didn't care, bc they were sure he had killed that poor girl. they tried and convicted him with no proof, and basically sentenced him to death. and had it been one of my children, i would have sued, and started a foundation for tbi patients. let his death help someone else at least. no, it wouldn't bring hi back, but it would help to know that his memory was living on with each person the foundation helped. But i'm a believer in justice, and sometimes the only way to make people, especially government run facilities, is when you hit them in the pocket book.
Anomic aphasia caused by left temporal lobe damage. He remembered what had happened, mostly, but he didn't know how to say it. That's why he called the revolver a bow and arrow.
Yeah, sounds like his brain is trying to communicate and mitigate loss of communication by connecting dots (that don’t make sense). There are stories of people losing part of their brain and doing mindless tasks like chores because they just lost the part of the brain that controls problem solving or common sense etc. the brain is super simple but so complex at the same time it’s insane
Hearing she was dead spiked his adrenaline and he was able to recall more detail of what happened for the first time. My heart is SHATTERED for this poor kid 💔
@@Crpz not if you overdose. Adrenaline is like Overdrive, gives the body a boost it needs depending on the situation. It covers unlocking more muscle usage to helping your brain to remember stuff.
@@DaemonsAdvocate I think it depends how you use that adrenaline I recently fell bad and broke my collarbone and I was in denial and was lifting my arm over my head repeatedly and hearing and feeling my bones crackle and crunch around. The doctors say it could have helped or could have made it worse they don’t really know because my specific situation is a weird one.
@@lookingforikigai9005 if your adrenaline allows you to run on a broken shin, ok that’s bad but if your adrenaline allows you to outrun the police or something like that it’s good it can have a good outcome if it is able to be applied to the situation properly. That’s why I would say adrenaline doesn’t always do the same thing. Depends on the person and situation.
Holy. Crap. As a former cop and a current FF/medic, I'm utterly floored by this. No matter what the on scene officers thought, Ryan's injuries should have been evaluated by EMS immediately. And I'm not even getting into leaving someone secured in a patrol car for six hours. Hopefully the department has had some kind of training and policy change to prevent a repeat of this.
I’ve had numerous welfare checks by friends and family as I’ve been on suicide watch for a minute, but since when can the police just walk into a residence on a welfare check? I lived in Phoenix as well, but not one officer stepped foot inside unless they were granted permission. Am I right that they have to get permission before they’re allowed to enter the house?
@Carly Jade Most cops ' IQs leave a lot to be desired - Ron Barnhart, PhD from the University of Pittsburgh in topological algebra. What's the highest grade this nincompoop cop completed one might wonder. If I seem resentful towards cops, then it's the result of their lying and cheating to make a case against me. These were University Police who apparently disliked faculty just because they made incorrect assumptions about such things as arrogance, salary (which was ridiculous for somebody who earned a PhD with full scholarships) . Furthermore, it seems that police lie ALL THE TIME to make cases. There are good ones, but far and few between. In my case, it was lies from SGSC in Douglas, GA. Not once did I threaten anybody, nor exhibit any evidence of public indecency. Real Good Work SGSC liars. By the way, I won the case. I had 30+ years of higher education teaching and NEVER had an incident AT ALL!! SGSC was simply on a mission to ruin my career and employability. You need to do an internal investigation. There was NEVER any Video of any such behavior ( i.e. Public Indecency). The Chief lied, as there was no such video. I was shocked at the degree of ignorance in Coffee County Jail. I'd say a conservative estimate would be that approximately half of the staff at Coffee County Jail was mentally challenged. If you find this incredulous , then test them! I am amazed at the quality of 'staff ' at the Coffee County Jail. One fool (staff) uttered some ridiculous comment about "playing with my wee-wee." No doubt Nobel Prize Material! This whole incident made me ill and disillusioned with our legal system. The bottom line was to destroy me and my livelihood. Thank God for an attorney who saw this as the shite that it was! Never will I revise my tarnished opinion of law enforcement and legal games in general. One final addendum: when our police were making rounds at night , I always offered coffee, snacks and enjoyed shooting the bull with the officers. What they had against me broke my heart. I showed nothing but kindness - maybe one of you can explain the absence of the purported video of public indecency on my part. Or perhaps you hate Northerners !
I doubt that brain dead cop lost any sleep over Ryan. I think that a College Degred should be required for Police service ... Too many brain dead bobbleheads ...
This story is just completely nuts and bizarre . Feeling very bad for ryan , how he survived those painful hours and each second without even tears or crying . His brain was so much damaged that he forgot these natural reactions 👏 rip .
Just like they do. Guilty until proven innocent. Now imagine it your child. They can kiss my ass! I’m all for martial law. I’ll take care of my own shit...
How did the cop see his eye like that, notice he’s very confused and in a daze, and not make the connection to an obvious head injury and got him medical attention immediately?! I’m so saddened for Ryan and Heather. RIP, both.
@@NoQuarter1995 this is exactly the types of things they are trained to look out for. It's incompetence because he was so dead set on proving Ryan was a criminal and not also a victim.
I hate reading these comments. Always the same stuff over and over again. Anti-american/anti-cops, people calling the detective all kinds of names etc. I bet 99/100 times the boyfriend actually did kill the girlfriend, so his presumptuous behavior is pretty understandable. This is not a political story, stop trying to make it seem like one.
@@mpndayblazr7707 I mean, besides all of this, the cop that knocked on the door should have clearly seen the holes in his face immediately, before even knowing there WAS murder. And even if he somehow didn't, the other officers in the process of bringing him in and getting him processed for interrogation should have. I honestly don't know how they didn't. That said, looking at the video, I couldn't even really tell that was a hole in his nose. It looked like a piercing or scab or something. I don't think it was intentional evil; just a whole lot of bad luck and/or complete obliviousness.
@@juicegrape1494 soooo a cop should know every law, every medical situation, every family situation, every LAW (yes i said that twice, there are whole libraries full of both law and medicine) and have it all in his head at all times. The dude had a black eye.. certainly didnt look to me like he had multiple bullet holes in his friggin eye with no blood at all.. i feel traumatized for the guy AND the cop. Poor kid was the walking dead.
@@magdalene74 dude you can tell he was funked up just by the way he acting. Police should of got medical attention b4 the interview. Dalton so stupid not to notice that
I know this too and it bothers me they don't have medical personnel present each and every time that a person presents for interrogation that has any kind of injury.
The whole interrogation he just sounded like he had the mental capacity of a child. He literally sounded like a 5-year-old trying to explain a crime he witnessed.
Yeah ikr, the poor guy's brain was shattered, he couldn't even really string a sentence together... RIP to this poor kid, i hope he's in a better place 🙏🙏
I didn’t need the ending to know this poor kid had a head injury, he was acting exactly like one would expect someone with a head/brain injury would act and behave. Sad that this poor kid didn’t get help sooner.
@@003SOK There are quite a few “tells” or “signs” of someone who is sane who is trying to convey that they are mentally ill, many people who try to fake mental illness do a terrible job at it. They tend to go to far with the act, they want to be convincing and if you know what to look for it’s easy to spot the act. In this case I did not see any of the things I typically see in individuals who are attempting to convey mental illness, he is acting exactly like someone who has a significant cranial injury. By the way I have seen the video you linked before, and yes that channel does a great job at explaining some of the psychology involved in the criminal justice system/ law enforcement system.
@@thecatatemyhomework The bruising on the eye lead me to believe it was a cranial injury. Utilize the clues you have at your disposal first, if he has a cranial injury he needs medical intervention and soon, if he is just high then he just needs to come down off of whatever he took (for the most part). The investigators jumped to a conclusion and gave themselves tunnel vision, that is what lead to this outcome.
I have neurodivergence & residuals brain injury and this was so painful to watch because in every interaction with police, if my cortisol goes up, if I get dehydrated, if the lights are too bright, I get disregulated and nothing I say makes sense and they assume I've done something wrong. This would make a great bad example training video. Love your show, MrBallen!❤
How on earth did they not immediately give Ryan a medical exam with his face looking the way it did? That bruise is way too deep to not be internal bleeding
have you never seen a black eye before? keep in mind these are local police not medical professionals, they deal in finding criminals, they don't protect people that are suspects of murder.. hell they rarely protect the innocent. Keep in mind Ryan was found with a dead girl and he said he didn't know what happened, also looked like He appeared to only have a black-eye and he didn't even know He was shot till hours later and didn't say much other than :I Don't know what happend." Most people would not have believed him right away considering the circumstances and the fact he was acting just like someone who accidentally shot their girlfriend and going through a metal episode because of it. The guy himself had to try to remember what had happened while dealing with a serious concussion and brain hemorrhaging and then had to try to explain it before he could get the detective to even consider it.. The detective called EMS as soon as he realized if what he was saying was true it would explain his behavior, I highly doubt most people would have figured it out not knowing ahead of time what had happened. If you don't believe me, show the original video: th-cam.com/video/ZI8G0KOOtqk/w-d-xo.html Don't explain it ahead of time and only tell them what the detective knows before the interview, don't tell them more than *"Ryan was brought in because His girlfriend was found dead in his home durring a welfare check made by his father, that she had been dead for a couple days and Ryan keeps saying he doesn't know anything about what happened or why he has a black-eye or about any wound on his face."* See how long it takes them to realize without any help. Also keep in mind the police were likely being pressured by Heather's family and others to get a straight answer from Ryan and how rare of a case this truly was. An interrogation detective is trained to get in a suspect's head and find the truth, how would he have done that if Ryan didn't even know what the truth was? To be honest I don't trust police, I don't believe they ever going out of there way for people unless they get to "feel like a hero" or need to pay bills and that they tend to put themselves above the people they claim to serve, but in this situation the only things I can say they didn't do a well enough job was to thoroughly examine his eye and that the detective didn't take him seriously just cause he didn't believe it was possible or wanted it to be an open and shut case. All things considered, it could have been a lot worse.. I'd imagine if the detective was even less competent they would have kept him in holding until he died while trying to make him believe he did it and get him to confess to a murder he didn't commit. The guy is lucky to have lived for 10 years after being shot in the face, AND helped get the guys who did it.
My thoughts exactly. I know they wanna figure out what happened. But wow. Just think if he was taken to a hospital right away. How different things could have been
Who's to say they would've heard "Richie and his dad" Things happen for a reason, and I think if they started with medical care by removing whatever was left in his brain keeping him able to shed light on the situation it would've been unsolved. The man died with his woman, maybe not physically right away, but his essence left with her. He managed to shed light on the events that led to that. He's honorable for managing to do so while impossibly wounded
The fact that he didn't remember if he had a girlfriend or her last name but he knew Richie and his dad did something is crazy. Amazing how the brain works
@@jaded5559 Right. It's definitely mandatory to have a medical examination. But unfortunately, this isn't the only time when police didn't listen to a suspect, witnesses, or a suspect's pleas for help related to health. As long as the police involved can superficially say they thought the suspect was lying and they otherwise followed basic protocol, they rarely ever get prosecuted. Sad, because that means the most vulnerable of us are not protected.
I wonder how the investigation would have gone if they didn't interview him first though, seeing as he would likely still have had part of his brain removed.
@@SixteenTonesStudio They probably would've asked him who did this to you as an ambulance came and he probably would've mentioned Richie and his dad again.
SPOILER ALERT: Rewatching the interview, one thing really stands out: Dalton says "She got shot in the side of the head and you let her sleep?!" Uhhh... he got shot in the eye and you let him sit for over six hours with no medical attention?!
@@triciasomogyi5431 In that logic, Ryan didn't really comprehend it either. He was shot, and with his brain damage just expected that she would be fine because, well, he was.
@@lillylovegood2300 exactly. Even when the detective condescendingly asked "you got shot first and you didnt die?" Ryan's response was genuine confusion. Along the lines of "yeah, I thought I'd be dead but I'm not." So in his damaged mind, it's possible he didnt think getting shot in the head could kill you. Coupled with no realization of the passage of time and there ya go. Truly an odd and sad story
@@br_andn I have no other words aside from 'exactly'! This type of story is rare. But it's possible people survive from bullet wounds in the head. And normally there isn't anything good from this stories. Honestly I'm mad that they couldn't see the clear spot on his nose. But I'm also mad at the guy who shot them because he's just as stupid as the cops. It's a truly tragic story and all others in it aside from the victims and victims families are stupid. Imo
This story is absolutely insane. The fact that nobody noticed the multiple bullet wounds in his head before taking him into custody and accusing him of murder is absolutely mind-boggling. It is absolutely ridiculous that the police did not notice this. Because of their ignorance, he lost his life. Like, come on guys, you have one job. SMH. Rest in peace Ryan and Heather.
Honestly. Even I could see that he needed medical attention prior to being interviewed although I couldn’t tell they were bullet holes and did think he sounded guilty to start with but they were right there and paramedics were at the scene whilst he was trapped in a police car. Why didn’t the paramedics check him over when they arrived? None of this would’ve happened. I’m not blaming paramedics- maybe the police stopped them or have to request a check and they didnt. Idk. Either way, it’s just so sad he was failed😔
Phoenix PD. The entire Justice system in Maricopa county is predatory, incompetent, and full of corruption. I know a guy who had a person claim to the cops that he was breaking into their home , and it took just over 3 years for him to be able to prove that, no, he wasn’t breaking in, and that he actually owned the house. During that time period, my friend was stalked mercilessly by Phoenix PD, beaten severely, and threatened regularly. He’s one of the lucky few who made it out, many people never do.
The police are aggressive and incompetent. They care more about getting convictions than saving lives. The police are a largely predatory organization that DOES NOT care about human life. They chose rather to interrogate a man who was obviously hurt rather than help him, and it cost him his life. The same police force has shot unarmed black kids multiple times. They are evil.
One of the most horrible stories I’ve ever heard. That poor guy, walking around in a daze he cant wake up from…Its horrible Heather died instantly but I’d prefer that over what Ryan experienced. Terrible beyond adequate words.
OH MY GOSH HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT SOMETHING ISN'T RIGHT?!? Four bullet holes? In his face? Shot twice? At point blank? It physically hurts to see and hear this. This poor boy went through hell twice.
@@ArtbyKurtisEdwards he was probably very confused about his entire life and what happened the past few days. He also had damage to the Broca’s are in the left side of his brain. That’s why when he spoke his sentences and words made no sense….the poor soul 😭
And so did mine. But I couldn't help thinking that the parents had an obligation to sue. It would not have brought their son back, and I understand that's all they wanted. But it might have pushed the police department into some kind of responsibility, and forced them to publicly acknowledge their gross negligence.
@@jimduncan5860 MrBallen said Ryan was wandering around his house by himself for a day and a half. By the time the police found him the damage had already been done
@@jimduncan5860 maybe they should have talked to ryans father extensively to get a better understanding before jumping to conclusions. Even if he was guilty should'nt have to wait in the police car that long especially since he hasnt been proven guilty regardless at that point. I thought it odd that a grown man had that bad of a black eye from a woman, never seen that before.
Wow 😲😲 this is the weirdest episode ever.. I watched this 3 times and still can't apprehend the situation Ryan was in😬😬
ya this is one of the most insane stories ive ever seen
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I think you mean “comprehend?” 🙂
& I totally agree. Although it also really angers me that poor Ryan lived in that apartment for days with his dead girlfriend and had no idea due to extreme brain damage. 😔
@@MrBallen 1 reply and its from the uploader
“Bows and arrows” hes trying so hard to remember words… this is so upsetting
maybe he wanted to say Crowbar, the one Richie and his dad were using to break in to Ryan's house
@@Professional--Gamer I believe he was referring to the gun. Bows & arrows, gun firing, very similar in concept
@@ahtayb I agree. Stroke victims, TBI... caused aphasia often has names for similar objects crossed. Even objects can be crossed. An excellent book called 'The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat' was by a doctor, describing some of the odder cases he had e.g. people who took toxic levels of vitamins and couldn't feel their body and had complete loss of proprioception (a man threw something big and hairy out of his bed: it was his own leg) or a man who was trying to put his hat on, but kept grabbing his wife's head. One man wanted to ask for umbrella, but only the word 'hat' would come out. He knew he wanted protection from the rain but his brain had hat and umbrella switched.
@Fabian Morales Its likely his brain swelled so massively that his ocular nerves were damaged, No doctor would take a good eye or even an injured one with the chance it would still be partially functional. He had major damage to a very soft organ. That he lived that long with out care is amazing in itself. What they did do was probably a damage control operation releasing pressure by removing the skull cap at that point they would also need to regulate the pressure in his brain which is very hard balancing act of pulling water out of the body with medicines but not overloading the body with salt or reducing the blood-flow to the brain, other things can pass through the brain blood barrier in to spinal fluid as well such as sugar, again through osmosis, and too much or too less of anything will lead to lowered or no healing of the brain at all. All brain injuries are a delicate matter and yes docs make mistakes, but in this case i think it was simply a matter of to much time to allow further damage through bleeding and clotting of injured tissue.
@I SAW THAT what
The fact that he was so innocent/brain damaged that he handcuffed HIMSELF to the table is heartbreaking
Omg I forgot about that😢
@@howardkleger WOW! This comment went COMPLETELY over your head!
@UCWPBTajtajHUeorjaV10ArQ what a weirdo
@@howardkleger you're looking at this with too much logic my dude. Think about it
He was shot in the face
Anyone in there right mind would be screaming for medical care not handcuffing themselves to a table.
@@thecosmicalien7891 Well he wasn't in his right mind due to brain damage exacerbated by not getting medical care for 2 days, which in itself was likely due said brain damage.
Ryan made sure he kept his brain working long enough to tell who did it, badass kid. RIP to both.
You question if they should of just left the bullet in his head?
@@bretth4988 no he’s saying that this kid survived long enough to tell the cops who did it, he’s not endorsing the cops, he’s endorsing the kids actions
The fact he could even remember is amazing. The front temporal lobes have A LOT to do with memory of events.
scary to think he could've been falseley evicted if heather was the only one they shot
@@tracyminajjjj convicted
Im a former cop from NJ - THE FACT THAT THE POLICE DIDNT PRIORITIZE MEDICAL ATTENTION FOR THIS KID **BEFORE INTERROGATION** is a MAJOR FAILURE and a GUARANTEED LAWSUIT WIN for the kid... It DOESNT MATTER WHAT HE DID - YOU MUST PROVIDE MEDICAL ATTENTION FIRST.
Holy hell what incompetence.. This is DAY 1 KNOWLEDGE!!!!
I sincerely WISH that ALL INVOVLED OFFICERS WERE FIRED AND EVEN CHARGED CRIMINALLY FOR THIS.
SHAME ON THE PARENTS FOR LETTING THIS DISASTER GO!!!!
Im SO ANGRY right now. I wish I never watched this shit.
I mean the black eye didn’t even look like a regular black eye to me. Especially to think a chic could give a guy a black eye like that is a little atypical as well. I’m not even trained but been in many fights and had many gf’s just upon sight didn’t look like customary black eye to me. If I was cop just to cover my butt and morally I woulda had him checked b4 anything. If turned out to be black eye interrogate if shot (since someone else in home was) obviously need start looking for suspects. For me woulda been common sense. Can always interrogate after being checked out. Would legally cover your butt and make interrogation more accurate as well. Between these guys rushing things and being sloppy and the DEI hires at secret service last week good examples why it should be mandatory that IQ tests should be given and considered among other important things when hiring people for jobs that directly impact society. You sound like a good hire though. Need more like you.
This is so sad… and I agree with everything you said! All because of some punk getting refused by a girl! Poor kid, breaks my heart
Thank you for your service for one… but also, thank you for being an open-minded human.
Much love to your lil soul.
My dad is former ocean county nj. Officer retired in 94 as a Sargent from certain town...im 56, this is an old story... it is appalling.
He died a year later ]: From seizures. He had a lot of seizures and one killed him.
“If you got shot in the eye you wouldn’t be talking to me right now” “HOW DO YOU KNOW?” Fucking poor Ryan I feel so bad for him
Even with brain damage what a spot on reply . That remark would haunt me if I was the officer
Eh
Guess he’ll never say that sentence again
“That’s what I thought…” The police officer, someone who wields a gun but doesn’t seem to know bullet wounds, when he’s looking straight at them for an hour, was literally less intelligent & cognitively aware as a progressively declining, brain injured 18 yo. Even that he had a gigantic bruise to his eye, if all it was was that, could indicate brain injury. Along with the answers & the way he was giving them, even if he thought he had been under the influence of anything…seriously…
There are numerous reasons why people want to reallocate much of the funding that police departments get. You cannot possibly train one person in 100, completely separate professions & ask them to juggle every individual case with the precision each deserves. Shit happens but, we have certain influence & opportunity to have less of it happen.
@@ec9833 Just looking at him, he should’ve been treated at the scene. Not put in a police car for 6 hours. Really awful
After being told that his girlfriend is dead. His love for her was the only thing that brought him back to normal. Even for a few seconds.
L by
That is so true! Im glad he remembered to be able to get the guys in prison. Such a shame 💔
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@@Ilovemydogmorethanlife ya'll cringe callers will label anything north of opening a door for someone "CrINge" lmao it's like...kinda cringe dude
Detective: "They shot you in the eye with a revolver...you wouldn't be talking to me right now."
Ryan: "How do you know?"
Detective: "Cuz most likely you'd be dead."
Ryan: "That's what I thought too, man. I really don't know."
That's so heart wrenching...
Yeah the truama to even remember that. And the fact even the officer acknowledges the possibility of him surviving and yet he doesn't inspect that to be the truth. (I also feel that would make sense due to brain trauma)
@@2BsYummySoles I mean I am frustrated too at the cops, but I more frustrated with the officers who were at the scene then the detective who was given leads on the case by those officers. And being shot in the head is usually fatal so it is hard to believe, I am just glad the detective figured out what happen at all.
This one. 😪
Well, wan't Carl Grimes shot in the eye in The Walking Dead, he survived... Yes, I know it was just a TV show.
Didn’t 50 cent get shot in the face too and he survived.
Detective took a full business day to notice someone got shot
Some detectives ! Geez 🙄 idiots
Especially when he was staring at him the whole fucking time
😂😂😂
really pmo
This is why we need to uphold "Innocent until proven guilty" principle
Agreed!!!! Enough with police brutality! My mom called police for help because a man attacked her and they interrogated her for over an hour before they got her medical care stitches and a neighbor finally came forward to corroborate her account wordfor word because the police came so fast her attacker whom she had never met said she was his girlfriend and was on drugs and had attacked HIM! They all but had handcuffs on her before the neighbor who saw the whole thing came out. My mom was in shock needed stitches all beat up and they treated her as guilty! Enough is enough!
Its more like
"GUILTY until proven INNOCENT"!!!
EXACTLY!!
Innocent until proven guilty is a joke. If you are accused of a crime you are often put in jail or put on pretrial probation, you then have to pay for a lawyer or pay court fees. When everything is said and done you could end up paying hundreds of dollars and fighting your case from jail for months or even years Often losing your house apartment car and job. And end up being completely innocent.
@firestarr78 The person who shot him in the face twice, before then killing the other victim and robbing the house, is to blame.
One of the things I’m more surprised of is the fact that he had the strength to speak with so much pain in him.
Several hours too.
Shock. He was probably in shock and when your body sustains that much pain and damage you can’t feel it. When my appendix burst I didn’t feel the pain. I was in pain but I didn’t realize it. My brain couldn’t comprehend the pain.
@@spookyblookie3499 Yeah, now that I think of it, I had a teacher that suddenly got her arm trapped inside a potato machine, and she was so in shock and such a panic mode that she just yanked her arm out of the machine which saved her arm, and life.
She said she was so in shock that she couldn’t comprehend the situation she was in. Why was that just suddenly happening to her?. Just utter shock.
She said there was just a random innocent potato right there, so she decided to take it, and the horrific accident happened.
@@monicazeng7262 to be honest the guy looked completely out of it.He didn't remember what happened most of the time.I think shock is when you know your situation but guy didn't know his girlfriend passed away,and walk the house 2days.
Based on where he was shot he would have lost partial speech, majority emotional response, possibly some smelling, and a decent chunk of pain response.
I’m also just shocked that poor Ryan went to sleep several times and still woke up and was even walking, carrying on a conversation at all. His poor family... RIP Ryan and Heather.
I'm curious how anyone knows what he did inside the house for sure. Even if he said he went to sleep, did he really just as was stated or did he think he did but didn't. Too bad he wasn't given immediate medical attention as he should have. Cops have to do better than this. That eye does not look like a girl punched him, it looks more like he got whacked with a hammer.
@@mytrigger5613 Even if it was just "a girl punched him", not giving medical attention is immoral and everyone is innocent until proven guilty, it's not the job of the police to punish someone by letting him suffer by denying medical assistance.
@@Derzull2468 100% agreed
@@mytrigger5613 did you even watch the video lol
@@mytrigger5613 since Heather died I think they could just estimate how many days the body had been dead for and surmise how long Ryan’s just been there
This is unbelievably frustrating. The most common thing in almost every story that I’ve heard from Ballen and dozens of other people is negligence. Negligence, ego, or lack of common sense is the gas that drives almost every single one of these situations. How the hell do you miss freakin bullet holes in a persons face?! How the hell does no one get punished for stuff like this?! Why does no one ever get truly punished for this crap?!
Whoa whoa dude maybe they did who knows😅😅
@@SAMEntalhealth They didn't
every policeman needs to be trained WELL!! not just in being tough, but in psychology, human behavior, forensics as well
“If they shot you in the eye with a revolver you wouldn’t be talking to me anymore.”
“How do you know???”
So sad….
They've clearly never heard of Phineas Gage.
How can someone hear a person with a massive eye injury say "They shot me in the eye" and not AT LEAST just lean forward to take a closer look? How do they just conclude "well that's clearly nonsense" and carry on?!
IKR? People have survived being shot in the head before. All depends on where the bullet goes. Brain injuries aren't always instantly fatal.
Yes this part hurts to hear
@@MagpieRat theres a live pd episode of some african american man getting shot through the eye he didnt know until he got in the ambulance and the paramedic discovered that he couldnt see throught his eye yet he was blind in the eye so the man had no idea he was shot through the skull through the side of his eye
This should be played at every police academy. The fact that he was not offered medical assistance is mind boggling.
It is not that mind boggling when you know how little training and qualification is required to make someone a police officer in the U.S. In most western countries police officers require years of training and education, but here the requirements are far less stringent and the people who become police are grievously underprepared for the highly complex job that it can be. It's maddening and heartbreaking that the prime concern of hiring police is as revenue collectors and generators rather than actual professionals who serve and protect..
Everyone in jail knows you don't want a medical emergency because it's gonna take days of batching to get to the hospital
Does the time spent in interrogation matter for his recovery if he was wounded for two days?
Half of dudes face was all swoll up. No ambulance called.... unbelievable.
Wow! No medical. It's a miracle he could talk. Walking talking miracle.
Ryan: I got shot in the eye, man.
Cop: no you didn't.
Ryan: How do you know?
***truest sh*t ever***
Wow...i just now remembered that part.
That hits
Right!
Factsss
He damn sure told him exactly what happened
The cops said if you got shot in the face you would be dead and Ryan said how do you know ?
Even after the discovery they treat him like SHIT! man, how heartbreaking, they should be ashamed
They should be in prison for the rest of their lives. Disgusting
In southern Arizona all law enforcement is corrupt. That's why the US/Mexico border in that region is a death zone.
It seems like even though they thought Ryan had killed Heather, that it would be police department protocol to take him immediately to get checked out for his injuries. Six hours sitting in the police car at the crime scene? It was very badly mishandled. I really feel sad for these kids parents.
even if he had killed heather, i would’ve been infuriated by him being left in the car for six hours
Absolutely moronic handling of this case. Guy has a black eye and is acting weird, couldn’t possibly have a concussion right? I get why the family didn’t sue but they really should have.
That's how they treat murderers. Unfortunately they made a big mistake. Had this guy actually murdered his gf no one would care that the cops left him in the cop car for hours and didn't give him medical care.
@@misseselise3864 That's what cops do to murderers and much worse stuff too.
Most departments have policies to get them medically cleared or at least examined by paramedics... We can't be sure that Ryan didn't refuse medical care.. I am sure there are many more details that we don't know about and were not covered by the media (muh narratives and all). Also we can Monday morning quarter back all day and of course hindsight is 20/20 as they say but truly we will never know if it would have changed anything in Ryan's situation.... My friend shot herself in the head at 16, she didn't die and wound up being blind, deaf on one side and suffered from seizures... She got immediate medical attention and had a similar experience as Ryan... God kept him alive for a reason! I believe it was so these bastards could be brought to justice ⚖!
I just shed a tear for Ryan. He was brain damaged and was trying his best to remember and tell his story. Very sad story.
Yeah it got to me as well. Poor kid 😢
I didn't even get through half of this and suspected brain damage. My high school boyfriend was attacked and had a severe concussion. He acted exactly like this kid: confused and agitated.
Edit: Poor Kid 😢
I thought the same so sad for them both .
Same
But luckily he can still named his attackers
the way his brain managed to snap back into reality for just a few seconds after learning that heather had passed away. my god that is heartbreaking.
@Pisha Pye I saw this story last week in this channel. It was so fucked up
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@Miles Doyle Shut up dude.
@@helloproxy Saying that no one cares. Um, I care.
@@Am-Shak wtf you on
Everyone in that PD is incompetent and should be door greeters at Walmart.
With that level of incompetency... I'm not even sure they qualify to be greeters.
Yeah don't insult door greeters like that dude
@@camc9225
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😅 LMFAO
now come on… door greeting requires _some_ competence LOL
Poor kid. I cant imagine how confused he was.
Right? Like, holy crap. Guy had absolutely NO idea what to do.
Yeah, the ending caught me so off guard..
im sure he couldnt either
He was so messed up by the time he got to the interrogation room that he could no longer be confused. His mind was in a bad way then.
You have a good heart, he is confused.
The fact that he spent atleast two days just walking around the house thinking his girlfriend was sleeping was seriously sad. What he went through was horrendous.
Edit: holy crap, thanks for all the likes! Stay safe out there guys 🤍
This reminded me of that story MrBallen also covered where the son slain his family with a hatchet and the dad that had the most severe injury to the head still got up his bed, did his daily routine, went out grab the newspaper and as soon as he walked back in the front door, he died.
When he realized she was dead after being told it truly is almost like the brain was able to register what was just said and better able to explain what happend. It’s crazy that brain damage of that level could some how be taken over by the inner mind and allow for him to remember enough to make it more clear. Its crazy to think that he was able to speak at all given the trauma he received to his skull and brain
@@chrisancola Yes, I hadn't remembered that. The poor guy got ready for work. Even had a shave.
@@chrisancola Which video is that?
@@chrisancola yeh what video?
When the detective is checking Ryan's face and Ryan days "Ow! My head hurts" breaks my heart. What an absolutely tragic story.
If the kid would've just answered his questions he would've got a doctor sooner.
Okay, not trying to be rude or aggressive or offend anyone, that isn’t my goal. But how could you believe this man could answer anything properly when his brain has that much damage? He is a victim. I wasn’t there so I can’t say who messed up where and exactly what should have happened.
But blaming a man who tried to protect his girlfriend, got shot four times in the face leading to brain damage getting increasingly worse by the minute…
That’s not right.
Regardless, the wounds were very clear and obvious and medical care should have been provided or he should have been checked, assumptions or not. Innocent until proven guilty is how our society should run, not coming to conclusions and withholding what, in this specific instance, could have been significant life-saving care that could have prevented further damage and in the end, perhaps his life would have been longer or he could have been more independent. Not a doctor and I don’t have a PHD or an understanding of neurobiology so I won’t claim to know for sure.
@@genox3636 bruh he had brain damage from being shot point blank. No way he could've been sensible.
@@briannawidegren6833 why didn't he point at the holes in his face? Just asking.
I'm a brain injury survivor, but my injury didn't come from a violent act. My injury came from a virus infection. My heart goes out to Ryan's parents and his true friends.
Glad you're still with us, Patriot!
Encephalitis ? I had encephalitis
@@josegarcia-xd6ltme too!
@@ras1851 💯🤝respect to you shit was tough fr im glad you all good !
How has it affected you if you dont mind me asking?
This made me tear up. Especially when I realized the only time he actually had some sense was when he heard Heather was dead and i personally think that shows the love he had for her. He couldn’t answer questions about any of his life or what’s going on but when he realized she was dead and not just sleeping, I know this is kinda cheesy, but it was like his heart told his brain to wake TF up for a second. God this was insane
I’m a guy that doesn’t cry for years and your comment almost got a whole tear. From both eyes.
I agree with you. 100% he "woke up" after he found out she was dead
oh my god I cried too it made me soooo sad o my god this is just too sad
Nothing cheesy about it. Not at all.
Nothing you said is cheesy, I saw this interview on another channel a long time ago, and I ugly cried. Because he was so obviously lost and so obviously in need of medical attention. His brain was just compensating and rewiring itself trying to put things in place. Him saying arrows over and over. I was screaming at my screen, he’s been shot in the head! How do you not see this? Get him to a hospital!
When they told him that Heather was dead, and not just sleeping. that right there alone should’ve told the police that something was seriously wrong with the sweet baby. I honestly don’t know how you miss a bullet wound clearly visible 2 feet away, when I immediately saw it in the video!.!. Why they don’t bother to get him any medical attention when he’s so obviously altered. Ryan never should’ve died, but I kind of get the feeling that he wouldn’t wanna be here without Heather. Makes me cry. Where I’m from it is mandatory upon a rest that everyone gets taken to the hospital prior to being interrogated, and that should be the case everywhere in every country, so no other mother has to bury her son who wasn’t guilty of anything. This whole thing just makes me ugly cry and I can’t watch it.
You can see the hole in his nose from the security footage. The job is hard, I know it, but c'mon, that was wildly obvious.
Yeah I agree
@Suddenly is that the Taliban's Jam?
@@rudolf895 isnt that an ip grabber or something? shit like that has me paranoid
Truly one of the first things I'd noticed: "Okay his orbital's probably shattered and....what's that on his nose?" (quality's not that great). If they'd done even a slight injury assessment then they would've known at the very least that someone had broken a piece off the man and it probably wasn't Heather.
@@rudolf895 Taliban's opera actually .
Can we take a moment to recognize how absolutely tough this kid was
Or insane, he was completely out of his mind, and the cops figured they could use this fact to make it easier for them.
@@HaidenG39 Did you even watch the whole video?
@@HaidenG39 He wasn't out of his mind, you moron. He was shot in the head by a criminal.
@@JadonHale Probably not lmao
explain where you get the idea that "this kid" was "absolutely tough"? What makes you think he was so tough?
Just when i thought I'd seen every kind of police interview... this one is absolutely worthy of the title mate excellent storytelling as always!
20:43 You can see the swollen part of his skull when the detective put his hand on his head. As someone who works in the ER, this blows my mind that he was still alert enough to communicate with that kind of injury.
Just by his groggy/nasally tone in which he spoke, his making no sense, was a clear indicator of a serious head injury, then add JUST the bruising alone & it doesn't take a 3 YEAR OLD, or a dog for God's sake, more than a few seconds to realize something is wrong & he needs immediate medical attention.
These are adults, too...with yet another situation of $, over lives/health. This is what world we live in with evil growing more & more rampant.
The spiritual warfare is out in the open.
This breaks my heart so badly, that he just wanted to "go home" & didn't understand why he was in pain & how the only thing that made him perk up (out of any emotion he had left to display, with all he must have been going through....man, how evil could anothrr human be, to not both medically clear them both, esp seeing as tho 1 was already dead. Assumptions NEVER help. Poor couple. 💔I pray these 2 made it to heaven & be together again, after all they had to go through, but especially Ryan who could have been saved...what a fighter he was. I can't even imagine what he must have felt inside of his mind/body after all that. He lived through hell on EARTH, bc of evil & selfish ways. Man. I've heard some crazy stories, but this being so preventable makes me truly broken inside. Life is precious, if only we could take a walk in each person's shoes, maybe we would all finally understand.
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@@BellaIsMyBaby It’s easy to say that when you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
I thought he was just high but no
@@4CRprod as someone who works in the ER? Lol pretty vague. Not saying it’s you, but someone working at the front desk or as a janitor could make the exact comment and have it be just as valid lol.
it's unbelievable. They didn't look at this guy and think to send him to the ED??? This absolutely sickens me. and it's EXACTLY why I dislike law enforcement/ prosecutors in general. Always more concerned with making an arrest and making a case stick than finding the damn truth...so sad.
Detective : ''It is a bb gun?''
Ryan : ''No! It was a real gun man ! It was just a revolver! ''
Detective : ''If they shot you in the eye with revolver you wouldn't be talking to me right now.''
Ryan : ''How do you know? ''
Detective : ''Because most likely you'd be dead.''
Ryan : '' That's what i thought too man, i really don't know.''
BRUH this shit insane 😟
I wonder how detective felt after he knew that all the kid told was true.
I would've felt horrible and I'm sure Dalton did, too. I think it's more the police officers fault that they told Dalton he was the killer and that he had to get information from him.
This whole situation is fucked man.
The detective probably felt like a steaming pile after that.
Unfortunately, that's how the system works. A detective makes an initial assumption about what happened, then it is their job to do whatever they can to obtain information that backs their initial assumption. A lot of people are falsely charged based on such assumptions. Authorities hate to admit when they're wrong. They tend to view everything as black and white when that often is not the case.
They didnt care! If they run into this again, they’d act the same way!
I used to be ALL ABOUT blue lives matter but ive been watching interrogation videos for about 8 months now, and these cops/detective will SAY ANYTHING, and theyll HIDE ANYTHING!
The fact that he was able to kick it into gear just enough to convey important information while suffering severe brain damage is a real testament to Ryan. Dude must have been a strong person before this happened to him.
Write a song about it.... 👍
@@percy1629 shut up
yes, I think so too. heartbreaking.
Has nothing to do with him being a strong person
@@charliefox9424 What could you possibly mean by that?
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This is truly heartbreaking. He was treated like a criminal when in fact he was another victim slowly dying inside.
Not even criminals should be denied fast medical care.
They don't care and they never get punished so what is their motivation to change?
@@jasonwest4683 yeah i know...theres no accountability for anything they do.
We all knew he was a victim by watching this episode. But from the cops perspective there’s no way he would of known he had nothing to do with it. There’s a dead person living with him for 2 days. Are the cops suppose to automatically figure out what happened especially when Ryan isn’t making any sense? You would of thought the same thing so stop acting so moral and superior.
@@tygsv4021 Ryan had BULLET HOLES IN HIS FACE. Yes, the cops SHOULD have noticed that !
Let’s all remember-as frustrating as the cops and first responders are in this story, Richie and his deadbeat dad murdered 2 young people on Christmas for having the nerve to kick awful Richie out for being a shit roommate. Wow.
People are capable of anything. The fact that the detective is someone who’s role is to keep us safe did the complete opposite is scary
How is the fire department at fault?
@@possummagic3571 what a braindead take. your comment would make sense, if there weren't obvious bullet holes in his face.
Exactly. There's no reason either one of those pieces of shit should be alive, they are exactly who the death penalty is for. The son has become famous for being a pos whose appearance has changed over the years - its good to know he's caught the hell in prison he deserves.
@@Disturbed928 I saw the pictures of his face but my mind wouldn't leap to bullet holes if I hadn't know before hand. Forgive me, I wasn't aware how many people survive gun shot wounds to the head.
Hearing him say “the girl on the couch is dead?”
What was left of his brain, still loved her so much. I’m So sad for him and her. I can’t really believe what I just watched…
Me either.
He said his girlfriend was 16-17 but she was 21. I wonder if thats the age she (or he) was when they first met. It makes sense such a memory would be one that gets kept. I wonder if part of him knew she was dead because he answered he didn't have a girlfriend. Looking at it as scrambled logic one would expect from a brain damage, it kinda makes sense.
@@zwykhg364 I Agree with your hypothesis
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That got me, too. Once he heard, "The girl om the couch is dead." The way he reacted was,"But that's my girlfriend. " Type shit. Poor guy.
Brother you are without a doubt the best storyteller of all time thank you for everything you do, my friend.
I feel so fucking bad for him. He literally couldn’t even tell what was going on, but he knew that he didn’t do it. Imagine not being able to vocalize that
this is absolutely horrifying. Agreed,
Well in the eyes of the cops (blue line gang) you are guilty until they can prove it or find something else.
@@xozegraf7179 we got a saying here, guilty until proven innocent. Take from it what you will
Hell Yeah dude when he said “Idk B” to the question “Whats the highest grade you completed” I was like WOAH! This kid is either Special Needs or SEVERE Brain Damage
@@gregariousgaming6265 that’s a saying everywhere
When Ryan said "ow my head hurts" like a little kid... It brought tears to my eyes knowing what he went through.
that's the part that got me, i couldn't hold the tears in. this poor guy.
Same. Just heartbreaking
Same. That wrecked me.
It makes me sad for Ryan both because of what the murderers did to him and even more so for what the cops did to him. I'm not the only person who immediately noticed his childlike responses to questions which is a painfully obvious symptom of severe head trauma.
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When the police arrived for the welfare check, they should have immediately taken Ryan in for a medical check-up. Even if Ryan had murdered Heather, the fact that he is still in the house, and apparently unaware of her death should at least have raised questions about his sanity.
Well, yes.
But cops aren’t just assholes with control issues.
They also lack common sense and observational skills.
Copa don't like to do their job they just want to close cases and act like they do good. You can clearly see the bullet holes in his face and instead of helping this guy they interrogate him. ALSO even if someone's a killer.if they have blood on them or cuts or whatever they have an ambulance look at them before they get an interrogation. It's really sad this guy died because of these cops when he was a victim. Defund the police man
That tells me that Ryan's brain damage was already severe -- perhaps irreversible. He'd been shot some 2 days before. Not much comfort to take from this story, but maybe the cops' neglect didn't worsen him significantly.
@@DeeRio9546 Defund them will help how? Giving them less training? You think offering them LESS money will somehow motivate them even MORE?
If anything they need to spend more money on psyche evaluations and audits of these officers. Defunding them Is literally the stupidest thing you could do. Quit taking your political notes from twitter and educate yourself in the real world.
@@GrammarSplaining Agree but the cops should be held accountable. Their priority is public safety before all else, and they failed this man.
I understand getting the bad guy is a priority as well, but safety and security if the community is always number one. Clearly these cops had tunnel vision and just wanted the perp.
Disgusting and they should be ashamed til the day they die.
This is absolutely the most heartbreaking story he has ever told.
Agreed!
SO SAD SEEING RYAN SAYING HE WANTS TO GO BACK TO SLEEP. poor guy dying inside slowly.
REST IN PEACE
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T^T
I know it was very sad
agreed this was sad
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Well that's pretty heartbreaking, when the detective finally goes in for a closer look, and Ryan says "Ow, my head hurts."
The most heartbreaking thing for me is that one moment when he was told Heather was dead, the way his seriously damaged brain kicked into life for a few seconds. So sad man
I agree
Yeah
I had no clue he had died from a siezure, I had known about this story, but man this story is upsetting the more I learn about it.
This story is sad, really really sad. Normally stories like this don’t get under my skin, but this one did.
RIP Ryan.
same. I think I felt my heart break.
@@TanyaQueen182 Mine too.😥😢
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I find it kind of "ironic" when the cop said, "you wouldn't be here right now, if you were shot in the eye". The _fact_ that this case _exists_ shows anything can and will happen.
Probably .22 cal.
@@nebula8893 yep yours is a little more useless with mine just around the same.
Seems you need to be retar**** to be a cop. Are they more blind than the person interrogated? You can see it clearly on the potato cam
@@nebula8893 how so?
@@nebula8893 I see. Well, his .22 cal comment makes sense though.
As incredibly sad as this is , if that poor boy hadn’t been interrogated, those murderers might never have been found . He stayed lucid long enough to state their names .
RIP Ryan and Heather
What a terrible story
I think it was the surgery where they removed part of his brain that impaired him. Had they left the bullet lodged in his scull, he might have remained normal albeit..a little fuzzy.
@@lordaimelord7848 surgery definitely impaired him but probably they had no other choice .
He didn't die.
@@joeguarino I thought he did , 10 years later
@@joeguarino "Waller would suffer seizures as a result of his injuries. His life would never be close to the same. 10 years after the ordeal he died from a seizure. He was 28 years old."
Fascinating find! Ty! Sadly, I knew right away. I'm just stunned at how very specific and apparently typical the cognitive symptoms are in tbi's and brain bleeds, with the muted affect, slurred, kind of groggy speech, language processing issues, short term memory failure, etc. I've seen this very thing b4-minus the bullets- immediately following what turned out to be a fatal fall. A family member injured their left brow and same left eye as that guy, but outwardly it was just swelling a little with a small nick. Immediately following the fall their speech and cadence was exactly like that kid. I can't explain, but so many little details too, just the whole vibe was just like that guy. I also cannot believe Ryan lasted even an hour, much less DAYS without medical intervention and with that kind of severe brain injury! My family member went from behaving and sounding exactly like that guy for maybe 20 min, got nauseous and passed out. Even at one of the best hospitals,fast intervention, the injury was beyond help. With epilepsy, after an especially bad seizure I experience many similar symptoms but only for a few minutes, then it's as though your brain is slowly flicking switches back on. To me a seizure really is like shorting out, and rebooting, or when electronics getting overheated and shut down. Either way, even if you're not medical personnel, aren't epileptic, or haven't seen it B4, a terribly swollen and literally blackened eye or face, odd behavior and slurred speech should signal at least that he's possibly concussed and should b looked at by someone. Ffs. Thanks again, John!
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what blows my mind is the fact that they didn’t do a medical analysis before interrogating him. absolutely crazy. HIS EYE IS BLACKER THAN DEATH
darker* ?
No wonder why the US has so many prisoners if this is the standard of professionalism.
In the defence of law enforcement, they found him acting like nothing is wrong while there was a dead body on his couch.
So true crazy
Bad choice of words
This case is a very good example as to why it's "innocent until proven guilty" and not the other way around. Being wrong once is too much
That is only court and lawyer mindset.
Not with all the precrime conditioning "professional" "thread assessment training".
Everything in their work and training makes them tick different than enforcing actual law and keeping out of non-LE issues.
Yeah but innocent until proven guilty isn’t how it goes down
too bad its guilty until proven innocent now
@@unknownuser8454 Well, even 2000 years ago the Book of Revelation said that the Reformation and Enlightenment period would in the end be overcome by a revival of the inquisition in the wordly realm.
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I can't believe he's even talking man, and even remembers WHO DID IT! Incredible survival story, I can't believe the way this was handled, and I hope the family is doing okay. To hear their statement at the end is heartbreaking "We only want our son back. A lawsuit will not do that."
They did file a lawsuit but they're all corrupt, please watch This is Monsters' video on this case with an interview with his father to know what really happened, there is a lot of wrong information in this video
@@Caroline-ko9pv Oh, good to know, thank you!
@@JW-il8mt you're welcome! Hope you can find it it's a very important video!
A lawsuit will make sure people treat victims as such. No one should ever have to go through this. My most heartfelt condolences to the families.
Ryan Waller eventually passed away from long term damage and health effects from the shooting.
As soon as you said watch it again when you get to the end I knew exactly what case this is and all I have to say WHY NO MEDICAL ATTENTION BEFORE INTERROGATION?!???
That fact that he was too damaged to realize he needed help is a serious factor here. Very sad story.
The way he was punished for protecting his girlfriend and how long he had to suffer before he ultimately died from protecting the woman he loved is absolutely breaking my heart. I can't help wondering how much cognition he had during that decade before he finally succumbed to his injuries and what he must have thought about the ordeal he and Heather went through. This is beyond a heartbreaking case. (P.S.: Why the hell did Richie's dad help him commit this horrific double murder?!?)
Because the rotten apple 🍎 doesn’t fall far from the rotten tree, and because even if you know that it’s wrong you can’t do anything different when you are an evil piece of trailer trash 🗑 that spawned another piece of crap 💩 and that’s what they do
They both don't look like upstanding citizens
The dad raised a murderer, he can’t be such an angel himself.
Cause he too was one dum/b son of a b/itch.
Hope their asse/s rot in prison.
The way Ryan said "Ow my head hurts" when the detective touched his head while examining his face.
The pain and agony he must be in, along with the confusion.
I cannot even imagine what could have been going on in his mind.
This is almost impossible to even comprehend.
Want to hold, hug and protect this poor boy. This is heartwrenching to me. Very sad 😢
A bullet was going on in his mind....
@@levihackerman8670 4 bullets
@@levihackerman8670 and parts of his skull
More than likely nothing is going on in his mind. Very little. He probably felt like he was in a dream world or on allot of Xanax plus with allot of pain.
It is astoundingly nuts that the cops didnt get medical help for Ryan first.....like just look at his face!!
I don't usually comment but this is insane. Its amazing how his brain kept going enough to name the killers. I never heard of this story until now and you told it excellently. Rest in peace to both of the victims.
And the fact that it took them so long to believe him that he had been shot in the head is so fucking heartbreaking
Its like phineis gage
Had the cop been more concerned with the truth rather than getting a confession he might still be alive. His answers should have given anyone thought for concern yet this cop heard those answers and thought it might make his job easier b/c he was dealing with someone stupid.
I could listen to Mr.Ballen read the back of a cereal box and be entertained 🤣
It’s crazy how amazing the brain is. Also I feel so bad for him. He was telling the truth as much as his brain could put together and it was very accurate considering he had bullets and internal bleeding in his head.
It's truly horrifying how Ryan was in a zombified state the entire period after he and his girlfriend was shot. I just thought he was being dodgy with hid questions because he was hiding something. Damn.
Right?
It’s true, I thought for a bit that he’d gotten into some serious drugs that he’d either never tried, or maybe some bath salts or some shit. Turns out that wasn’t too far from the truth..
The way the story is told definitely gives the impression that Ryan was acting guilty, which is a sign of good storytelling! I saw an analysis of the interrogation w/o having much context about the crime and it was blatantly obvious from the start that Ryan had signs of a major head injury.
I'm actually really impressed at how Mr. Ballen scripted the story to give the audience doubt, since it adds a lot of intrigue to it all!
Something was obviously wrong from the moment he said anything
@@jackdurden466 no.its very far from the truth. Getting shot in the face for nothing you did wrong is totally fucking different then knowingly and willingly taking bath salts or drugs
I immediately thought concussion when the cops were talking to Ryan at his house. When the Detective finally looks closer and you hear Ryan say, "my head hurts", my heart just sank.
Yeah -- that was really sad. Even after all that massive trauma, his brain was still able to recall events and articulate a story even though his brain was having issues formulating and conveying information. My guess is that one side of his brain suffered immense damage but the parts of his brain that handle speech and recognition of language were still functioning well enough to attempt to communicate with the officer.
Just goes to show how remarkable the human brain is -- even after having bullets shot in it.
My heart sank too. So sad.
I've heard the story before. I knew the details, I knew the outcome, and yet, I stayed in and listened to the whole thing from start to finish just because Mr. Ballen is the best story teller out there. Thanks John ❤
I've seen the entire interrogation on another video. When you see a close-up of Ryan's face & realize the detective was looking at him for 2 hours, 2 feet away and didn't have enough sense to think he should be checked over is unbelievable. Police should have been sued for incompetency and stupidity.
Agreed
I think they assume he’s already been cleared for questioning. It’s still grossly incompetent. How did everyone miss the fact he had been shot in the face??!?!)
@@freebirddee2620 Because they had tunnel vision as him being a perp and not a victim.
@@lynnenewell2016 completely agree! US police even admit they use coercive techniques to get a confession. Why do you need to be sneaky if you have the right guy? Messed up system x
Where can I find the other interrogation video?
Just the thought of aimlessly wondering his house not being able to comprehend what happened is truly heartbreaking. Once again great video.
I thought that too! Poor, baby. My heart breaks for him. He wandered around, with his head hurting and letting his girlfriend sleep and not “waking her” on Christmas is just so dang sad. Man, f*ck Richie and his sh!tty dad
its not him anymore though.. its like most of the animals.. he doesnt even know he exists.. its just robotic movement and living from memory.. cant really explain in english sorry... in simple terms... i know from what happened to my kid brother.. he had cancer and went thru 13 operations on his head.. after 4th or 5th he was acting like this boy on the clip.. even though we had him around us for one more year after that we knew he was already dead since doctors told us and we saw for ourselves that he is not in there anymore..i dont know if i should be happy that we had him for longer..or sad and mad that we kept pushing just so we can hear his voice for a bit longer.. and hug him and kiss him.. just for our own sake... it destroyed both me and my mother.. i still dont know if its better to keep people alive when in such state.. but i know that they are not confused or scared.. they are not aware of their existance anymore since the brain is too far gone.. i dont know if this makes any sence but.. there.. he basicly died in the same time as his girlfriend.. all whats left was a body
Reminds me of the case of Peter Porco, who was struck to the head with an axe, woke up later & went on to do his daily chores, not realizing his injuries. Kinda similar to this. To me it just paints the most bizarre mind picture ever 🤯
Yea the cerebellum and other part of the brains were damaged. He didn’t know anything was going on with himself
@@sahraskellington1065 is that the man who was attacked in bed and then woke up, got the news paper and made a bowl of cereal? Creepy stuff
The poor kid was dying the whole time. This is one of the most unbelievable videos I've ever seen.
This is the blatant sexism that men face. And no one cares.
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No difference thatv6 hours dude. 2 days he was in the house with the bullets inside
@@radkouse1of1 seriously? Every time something happens it’s always the mans/boyfriend/husbands fault,
@@naughtyvalues im not trying to be annoying here, but i would argue that in this case its nothing to do with sexism. from the detectives pov, he has been inside this house for two days with his dead gf on the couch. he hasnt tried to contact police or an ambulance, and he cant give a straight answer about what happened. if the roles were reversed, heather would absolutely be assumed guilty. hes just the obvious suspect in this situation
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THIS is the 🐐 vid.
That part when he said "I thought so too." About dying.
Damn that hurts.
This is what happens when cops are trying so hard to quickly solve a case that they ignore evidence right in front of their eyes. What a miserable event. Poor kid.
Let’s not forget how miserable those killers were. This kid was mostly saved by his father. He gave him an extra 10 years of life by filing the welfare check.
This is classic Phoenix PD work. Of course… they literally have done so many horrible things… I mean.. Arpaio was the sherif for over a decade
This is also what happens when a Cop tries to play a Doctor (the first Officers at the scene noted injuries, but nothing serious), and downplay injuries without getting a professional's opinion because it cuts into time and everybody's patience. Take him to interrogation, get a confession; then call it a day. This is why I'm glad to see more instances of Departments and even individual Cops being held accountable for their actions, it forces everyone to take a step back to examine the person and the environment before proceeding with business/investigation...
Well two days with brain injury weren’t critical but the last few hours ? I wonder if the father called for welfare 3 days later who you blame than ?
They could have handled it better. But to be fair, the chain of events was extremely improbable.
When he said “oww my head hurts” 😭 Rest In Peace Ryan and Heather.
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Right? I was crying before but when Ryan said that, I started shaking. I had to pause.
@@IzzyLedo I cried for 45 minutes after this video my heart breaks for him. The way he said his head hurt really got to me
I remember this case vividly. Thank you for covering it.
That lucid moment he has when the detective basically says he's lying about being shot cause if he'd been shot he'd be dead. Then he goes "that's what I thought too man I don't know!"
Haha! He was with brain damage even able to correct and guide the tunnel vision blinded detective with simple, straight forward, aware replies!
The "professionals" being blinder for hours than the brain damaged one which was soon after headed to a surgery where they will actually take his eyes out!
Ain't professionals, can't be professionals after 6 months of training. In other countries real education and training is required to fill that position.
But empathy and immersive thought seem to be an undesired trait everywhere in LE these days.
The elites don't have use for that.
The people would have had.
The brain is such a strange organ. I've had concussions before and they alter perception of time, relationships,feelings,taste,etc.etc. I could not imagine how this kid was feeling. He was alive technically, but probably was just there.
That's gonna haunt him for the rest of his life I'd bet.
Yea this was just crazy. Poor guy 😕
My man looked at his health bar and was like ".. yeah you would think?"
The way you describe things is so helpful! As a blind person, I don’t feel like I’m missing anything since you go into such detail
I mean, I used to volunteer for Learning Ally in LA, reading textbooks into audiobooks for those who have trouble reading print (for whatever reason), and I never even considered this aspect of this channel. Fantastic point! Super happy knowing MrBallen's channel is here for you, Jewel! (Also, I had an Aunt on my mother's side named Jewel. Wonderful, funny lady.)
How did u type this comment?
@@jiosim1377 There are apps and stuff... Come on! Did you get shot in the head with a revolver four times too?
At least three as your question suggests
@@jiosim1377 stop trying to be funny. There are braille programs for phones computers and a lot more that I'm sure sighted ppl don't even consider. So while your trying to be cute and get likes and what not. Hold your phone up to your face press the talk to text button and right as your about to speak....DONT.
@@rollomaughfling380 Great that you volunteered for learning Ally! They are a great company, do they focus more on people with reading disabilities these days. People who are blind to have so many options for reading now between screen readers and the price of real displays going down.e
That is sad poor Ryan getting shot and losing his girlfriend and not remember what happened. Rest In Peace Ryan and Heather 🌹
Ryan died?
@@yeahbaby2710 unfortunately yes
Unbelievably sad. I do believe some people deserve to die. But they didn't deserve this at all. R.I.P.
@@Bman-ps9ep no they didn't the people who did this to them deserve to die but that's not to me that is up to God and the court system
Arent you kind of glad he doesnt remember?
You're a great narrator & story teller
It's beyond me that they didn't let a doctor examine him first. Even if he was the murderer, the injuries on his face/head were so severe and it was clear from his behaviour that he was dazed/confused even before the cop noticed the bullet holes. He either had a head injury or was on something. Either way interrogating him in that state was ridiculous. They absolutely should have given him medical care first, no matter what they thought or what the evidence was.
Probably thought he was either an idiot or a druggy hence school questions.
Cops are Neanderthals
They heard him talking and seeming slow so jumped on it. Free confession. Cops are lazy people just like the rest of us.
@@walexander8378 True
I was in a serious accident and hit a telephone pole doing like 60. I totaled my F-150 and hit my head really hard. I left the scene but before I left I grabbed a carton of cigarettes I had in my truck. I walked a mile from the scene and was confronted by police. They asked me if I was in a crash with my truck. I said I must have been in one. They took me to the jail and I woke up in a suicide room of all concrete with a wool blanket. I asked what happened why am I here. This guard said you’re in the suicide ward for trying to kill yourself. I sad no I didn’t try to kill myself. I was released a short time later when a friend bailed me out. The read the police report and didn’t remember any of it. A few short years later I had a brain aneurysm. I’m almost certain the crash caused my aneurysm. The Police never took me to the hospital but straight to jail. BTW that hurt like crazy. Get a cat scan if you have serious headaches. Maybe you can avoid that torture!
Even more sad is when you go rewatch the interview segments after knowing what happened to Ryan. There’s a segment where Dawson finally gets tired of Ryan’s ‘bull’ and flat out tells them there’s a dead girl in Ryan’s house. Ryan perks up and becomes invested in the conversation. “Is it Heather?” The detective responds “I don’t know.” Ryan was hanging on so much - and he was concerned for his girl so much that he pushed past his brain damage and for a few seconds, he was truly cognitive. Yeah Ryan slumps back over and ‘doesn’t care’ anymore, but that detective’s “I don’t know” becomes heartbreaking knowing Ryan tried his damndest to keep Heather safe, tried so hard to remember what happened, and was a victim just like her. R.I.P. to them both, but at least Heather’s death was quick and not drawn out.
This is heart breaking. Ryan died the minute he was shot, he wasn't Ryan anymore. There is a special place in hell reserved for the people who did this.
Amen .
It wouldve beem the opposite if the genders swapped.
If it was the girl with the black eye and the guy dead on the couch.
The "detective" wouldve took her to hospital and assumed he beat her and thats why she shot him.
These pigs should be in prsion.
I knew it. I suspected he had a bullet in his head the second they said he was confused and how heather died. I'm at exactly 5:08 and I believe I'm near the money mark
So sad.
Hell is wishful thinking.
You have a fantastic delivery it can’t be faulted I’m enthralled from start to finish , great story too , thanks for posting
Before Ryan even spoke I suspected head injury. When he spoke and his speech was slurred and he was so confused I was feeling so frustrated that the interrogators didn't immediately recognise he needed medical attention. Poor guy. This is pure negligence. I'm a nurse but police should be trained to recognise head injury or concussion.
i'm only a cma/cna so i don't have the training to notice a head injury, they barely give us enough training to reconie stroke symptoms. yet i could see this guy needed help right away. i can't believe that even though they thought he was the killer, that they didn't take him in to get medical attention. just the way his face looked, deserved to have someone look at it. where was he going to go. when they take a prisoner in they handcuff him to the bed and have a policeman guarding him? However, had they done this. the surgery would have been done right away, But like he said there still would have brain damage done. so who is to say that he would have been able to identify who his killers were. they very well could still be on the loose, and maybe come back and try to finish the job on him at another time.
as a nurse perhaps you ca explain to me why they had to remove so much of the brain. obiously he was still functioning somewhat with the bulle and shards in the brain. couldn't they have drilled a hole in the skull to relieve the pressure untill the swelling went down and then just left them in there. and i realize he was having trouble but with therapy couldn't he have been able to retrain his brain to use different parts, possibly? seems to me that not only the police made a horrible situation worse but the drs did as well. but then i'm no brain surgeon. so i have no clue really what is best for it.. hell we can't even get my seizures under control, lol
@@marytramp5678 I have no expert knowledge on neurosurgery but I could hazard a guess. When the bullets enter the brain they aren't sterile for starters. Bacteria from outside the body as well as skull fragments can be forced into the brain tissue. Leaving the bullets in the brain would increase the risk of infection and further inflammation.
Also, you don't want sharp bone fragments migrating around soft brain tissue and causing further damage.
In some cases, bullets or bullet fragments may be left in the body, but only when the risk of removing them outweighs the benefits.
They may well have drilled a hole in his skull to relieve the pressure, but the damage was already done.
The brain is still largely a mystery in many ways.
There seems to be quite a bit of variation in how people recover from brain injury.
But timely intervention is crucial as every minute that goes by, the bleeding and pressure can be increasing and causing further damage.
The guy had a black eye, so at the very least he had suffered at least one blow to the head.
That alone should have been enough for the police to recognise he was at risk of head injury. I'm gobsmacked that a senior policeman would continue to interrogate someone in that condition. It was very sad. I imagine I would be extremely upset if that were my son.
Hopefully this case may have ignited some extra training for police officers and a review of protocol.
@@monie7693 thank you for that answer. i've read mmany stories how they have left objects in the brain before and was just curious. people are quick to blame the police on this and yes, they did a Terrible job of not getting him to the hospital asap, however i think people are failing to remember that he had been in this condition for about 48 hours before the police had even found him. i can't help but to think that a lot of this damage would still have already been done to his brain even though swelling can take days to happen. i agree with you though that something needs to be reviewed in a way of protocol. just looking at him one could see he needed to see a doctor. as soon as they put those cuffs on him, he became a ward of the state and his well being became their responsibility. they just didn't care, bc they were sure he had killed that poor girl. they tried and convicted him with no proof, and basically sentenced him to death.
and had it been one of my children, i would have sued, and started a foundation for tbi patients. let his death help someone else at least. no, it wouldn't bring hi back, but it would help to know that his memory was living on with each person the foundation helped. But i'm a believer in justice, and sometimes the only way to make people, especially government run facilities, is when you hit them in the pocket book.
He had visible injuries. That doesn’t require training; it requires compassion and freaking BRAIN CELLS. Id$iots!
@@marytramp5678 He had violent looking visible injuries to his face. You don’t need special training to recognize that he should be checked out ffs.
Anomic aphasia caused by left temporal lobe damage. He remembered what had happened, mostly, but he didn't know how to say it. That's why he called the revolver a bow and arrow.
Nice to have an allied health person or a medic opine here.
The most useful comment in here and barely any likes. Welcome to the internet🤷🏻♂️
@@NiceRage2009 the video is also 2 weeks old and the comment is from 3 days ago ..
Yeah, sounds like his brain is trying to communicate and mitigate loss of communication by connecting dots (that don’t make sense). There are stories of people losing part of their brain and doing mindless tasks like chores because they just lost the part of the brain that controls problem solving or common sense etc. the brain is super simple but so complex at the same time it’s insane
@@NiceRage2009 stupid has been here long before the internet. Remember, the internet is simply a fancy megaphone.
Hearing she was dead spiked his adrenaline and he was able to recall more detail of what happened for the first time. My heart is SHATTERED for this poor kid 💔
That adrenaline probably cause even more damage also
@@Crpz not if you overdose. Adrenaline is like Overdrive, gives the body a boost it needs depending on the situation. It covers unlocking more muscle usage to helping your brain to remember stuff.
@@DaemonsAdvocate I think it depends how you use that adrenaline I recently fell bad and broke my collarbone and I was in denial and was lifting my arm over my head repeatedly and hearing and feeling my bones crackle and crunch around. The doctors say it could have helped or could have made it worse they don’t really know because my specific situation is a weird one.
@@prolly2stoned420 nah adrenaline always does the same thing lol
@@lookingforikigai9005 if your adrenaline allows you to run on a broken shin, ok that’s bad but if your adrenaline allows you to outrun the police or something like that it’s good it can have a good outcome if it is able to be applied to the situation properly. That’s why I would say adrenaline doesn’t always do the same thing. Depends on the person and situation.
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Holy. Crap. As a former cop and a current FF/medic, I'm utterly floored by this. No matter what the on scene officers thought, Ryan's injuries should have been evaluated by EMS immediately. And I'm not even getting into leaving someone secured in a patrol car for six hours. Hopefully the department has had some kind of training and policy change to prevent a repeat of this.
I’ve had numerous welfare checks by friends and family as I’ve been on suicide watch for a minute, but since when can the police just walk into a residence on a welfare check? I lived in Phoenix as well, but not one officer stepped foot inside unless they were granted permission. Am I right that they have to get permission before they’re allowed to enter the house?
@Carly Jade Most cops ' IQs leave a lot to be desired - Ron Barnhart, PhD from the University of Pittsburgh in topological algebra. What's the highest grade this nincompoop cop completed one might wonder. If I seem resentful towards cops, then it's the result of their lying and cheating to make a case against me. These were University Police who apparently disliked faculty just because they made incorrect assumptions about such things as arrogance, salary (which was ridiculous for somebody who earned a PhD with full scholarships) . Furthermore, it seems that police lie ALL THE TIME to make cases. There are good ones, but far and few between. In my case, it was lies from SGSC in Douglas, GA. Not once did I threaten anybody, nor exhibit any evidence of public indecency.
Real Good Work SGSC liars. By the way, I won the case. I had 30+ years of higher education teaching and NEVER had an incident AT ALL!! SGSC was simply on a mission to ruin my career and employability. You need to do an internal investigation. There was NEVER any Video of any such behavior ( i.e. Public Indecency). The Chief lied, as there was no such video. I was shocked at the degree of ignorance in Coffee County Jail. I'd say a conservative estimate would be that approximately half of the staff at Coffee County Jail was mentally challenged. If you find this
incredulous , then test them! I am amazed at the quality of 'staff ' at the Coffee County Jail. One fool (staff) uttered some ridiculous comment about "playing with my wee-wee." No doubt Nobel Prize Material! This whole incident made me ill and disillusioned with our legal system. The bottom line was to destroy me and my livelihood. Thank God for an attorney who saw this as the shite that it was! Never will I revise my tarnished opinion of law enforcement and legal games in general. One final addendum: when our police were making rounds at night , I always offered coffee, snacks and enjoyed shooting the bull with the officers. What they had against me broke my heart. I showed nothing but kindness - maybe one of you can explain the absence of the purported video of public indecency on my part. Or perhaps you hate Northerners !
Another idiot cop!!
I doubt that brain dead cop lost any sleep over Ryan. I think that a College Degred should be required for Police service ... Too many brain dead bobbleheads ...
This story is just completely nuts and bizarre . Feeling very bad for ryan , how he survived those painful hours and each second without even tears or crying . His brain was so much damaged that he forgot these natural reactions 👏 rip .
I never felt so bad about assuming the guilt of someone in my life. This was absolutely insane. RIP young man.
Just like they do. Guilty until proven innocent. Now imagine it your child. They can kiss my ass! I’m all for martial law. I’ll take care of my own shit...
Wait did he die? I thought he was blind from this
@@proanimaluver6487 they had to take out half his brain and he ended up seizing and dying 26 days later
@@rocknroller77 ohhhh I hate it , thankyou for letting me know . I was in there talking to my husband about hoping to find out
Sigh
How did the cop see his eye like that, notice he’s very confused and in a daze, and not make the connection to an obvious head injury and got him medical attention immediately?! I’m so saddened for Ryan and Heather. RIP, both.
Cops aren't exactly known for their brightness
@@NoQuarter1995 this is exactly the types of things they are trained to look out for. It's incompetence because he was so dead set on proving Ryan was a criminal and not also a victim.
@@mpndayblazr7707 training isn't real life
I hate reading these comments. Always the same stuff over and over again. Anti-american/anti-cops, people calling the detective all kinds of names etc. I bet 99/100 times the boyfriend actually did kill the girlfriend, so his presumptuous behavior is pretty understandable. This is not a political story, stop trying to make it seem like one.
@@mpndayblazr7707 I mean, besides all of this, the cop that knocked on the door should have clearly seen the holes in his face immediately, before even knowing there WAS murder. And even if he somehow didn't, the other officers in the process of bringing him in and getting him processed for interrogation should have. I honestly don't know how they didn't. That said, looking at the video, I couldn't even really tell that was a hole in his nose. It looked like a piercing or scab or something.
I don't think it was intentional evil; just a whole lot of bad luck and/or complete obliviousness.
This detective will go down as the WORST detective in the history of the world.
As a medical professional, any blow to the eye necessitates a serious examination of surrounding structures ESPECIALLY with memory deficit
You think like a medical professional, not like a police officer...
@@0x777 a police officer should know that
@@juicegrape1494 soooo a cop should know every law, every medical situation, every family situation, every LAW (yes i said that twice, there are whole libraries full of both law and medicine) and have it all in his head at all times. The dude had a black eye.. certainly didnt look to me like he had multiple bullet holes in his friggin eye with no blood at all.. i feel traumatized for the guy AND the cop. Poor kid was the walking dead.
@@magdalene74 dude you can tell he was funked up just by the way he acting. Police should of got medical attention b4 the interview. Dalton so stupid not to notice that
I know this too and it bothers me they don't have medical personnel present each and every time that a person presents for interrogation that has any kind of injury.
The whole interrogation he just sounded like he had the mental capacity of a child. He literally sounded like a 5-year-old trying to explain a crime he witnessed.
Yeah ikr, the poor guy's brain was shattered, he couldn't even really string a sentence together... RIP to this poor kid, i hope he's in a better place 🙏🙏
It's so frisking obvious he has a concussion, they knew that, they just wanted to interview him without a lawyer there.
Yeah, the way he talked too. It was like a little child was frustrated/annoyed/bored. And where do kids wanna go when they're annoyed? Home.
At other points he sounded like he was 11
I didn’t need the ending to know this poor kid had a head injury, he was acting exactly like one would expect someone with a head/brain injury would act and behave. Sad that this poor kid didn’t get help sooner.
I just thought he had a major concussion, but damn
I actually thought he was high.
or he was acting like many young men who do terrible thing and are in an interrogation
th-cam.com/video/Mwt35SEeR9w/w-d-xo.html
@@003SOK There are quite a few “tells” or “signs” of someone who is sane who is trying to convey that they are mentally ill, many people who try to fake mental illness do a terrible job at it. They tend to go to far with the act, they want to be convincing and if you know what to look for it’s easy to spot the act. In this case I did not see any of the things I typically see in individuals who are attempting to convey mental illness, he is acting exactly like someone who has a significant cranial injury. By the way I have seen the video you linked before, and yes that channel does a great job at explaining some of the psychology involved in the criminal justice system/ law enforcement system.
@@thecatatemyhomework The bruising on the eye lead me to believe it was a cranial injury. Utilize the clues you have at your disposal first, if he has a cranial injury he needs medical intervention and soon, if he is just high then he just needs to come down off of whatever he took (for the most part). The investigators jumped to a conclusion and gave themselves tunnel vision, that is what lead to this outcome.
I have neurodivergence & residuals brain injury and this was so painful to watch because in every interaction with police, if my cortisol goes up, if I get dehydrated, if the lights are too bright, I get disregulated and nothing I say makes sense and they assume I've done something wrong.
This would make a great bad example training video.
Love your show, MrBallen!❤
How on earth did they not immediately give Ryan a medical exam with his face looking the way it did? That bruise is way too deep to not be internal bleeding
have you never seen a black eye before?
keep in mind these are local police not medical professionals, they deal in finding criminals, they don't protect people that are suspects of murder.. hell they rarely protect the innocent.
Keep in mind Ryan was found with a dead girl and he said he didn't know what happened, also looked like He appeared to only have a black-eye and he didn't even know He was shot till hours later and didn't say much other than :I Don't know what happend." Most people would not have believed him right away considering the circumstances and the fact he was acting just like someone who accidentally shot their girlfriend and going through a metal episode because of it. The guy himself had to try to remember what had happened while dealing with a serious concussion and brain hemorrhaging and then had to try to explain it before he could get the detective to even consider it.. The detective called EMS as soon as he realized if what he was saying was true it would explain his behavior, I highly doubt most people would have figured it out not knowing ahead of time what had happened.
If you don't believe me, show the original video: th-cam.com/video/ZI8G0KOOtqk/w-d-xo.html
Don't explain it ahead of time and only tell them what the detective knows before the interview, don't tell them more than *"Ryan was brought in because His girlfriend was found dead in his home durring a welfare check made by his father, that she had been dead for a couple days and Ryan keeps saying he doesn't know anything about what happened or why he has a black-eye or about any wound on his face."* See how long it takes them to realize without any help. Also keep in mind the police were likely being pressured by Heather's family and others to get a straight answer from Ryan and how rare of a case this truly was. An interrogation detective is trained to get in a suspect's head and find the truth, how would he have done that if Ryan didn't even know what the truth was?
To be honest I don't trust police, I don't believe they ever going out of there way for people unless they get to "feel like a hero" or need to pay bills and that they tend to put themselves above the people they claim to serve, but in this situation the only things I can say they didn't do a well enough job was to thoroughly examine his eye and that the detective didn't take him seriously just cause he didn't believe it was possible or wanted it to be an open and shut case.
All things considered, it could have been a lot worse.. I'd imagine if the detective was even less competent they would have kept him in holding until he died while trying to make him believe he did it and get him to confess to a murder he didn't commit. The guy is lucky to have lived for 10 years after being shot in the face, AND helped get the guys who did it.
My thoughts exactly. I know they wanna figure out what happened. But wow. Just think if he was taken to a hospital right away. How different things could have been
later, a police dog bit some suspect when they caught him and police immediatly took him to the ER 😅
Who's to say they would've heard "Richie and his dad"
Things happen for a reason, and I think if they started with medical care by removing whatever was left in his brain keeping him able to shed light on the situation it would've been unsolved.
The man died with his woman, maybe not physically right away, but his essence left with her. He managed to shed light on the events that led to that. He's honorable for managing to do so while impossibly wounded
Exactly my thought. It was way too dark to just be a normal bruise.
The fact that he didn't remember if he had a girlfriend or her last name but he knew Richie and his dad did something is crazy. Amazing how the brain works
severe trauma :(
Severe trauma yes, but whatever was left of his mind was screaming those SOB killed his beloved.
I think Ryans brain was working way better than detective Daltons!
It should be mandatory to let a suspect who is injured (in the head) to be medically examined before anything else. This is an unbelievable story.
Monique, no offense but it literally is mandatory for a suspect with this kind of wounds to be medically examined. The PxPD were grossly negligent.
@@jaded5559 Right. It's definitely mandatory to have a medical examination. But unfortunately, this isn't the only time when police didn't listen to a suspect, witnesses, or a suspect's pleas for help related to health. As long as the police involved can superficially say they thought the suspect was lying and they otherwise followed basic protocol, they rarely ever get prosecuted. Sad, because that means the most vulnerable of us are not protected.
I wonder how the investigation would have gone if they didn't interview him first though, seeing as he would likely still have had part of his brain removed.
@@SixteenTonesStudio They probably would've asked him who did this to you as an ambulance came and he probably would've mentioned Richie and his dad again.
It IS lmao
How do you call yourself a detective and miss something right in front of your face for almost an hour...
SPOILER ALERT:
Rewatching the interview, one thing really stands out:
Dalton says "She got shot in the side of the head and you let her sleep?!"
Uhhh... he got shot in the eye and you let him sit for over six hours with no medical attention?!
He didn’t know that yet.
@@triciasomogyi5431 In that logic, Ryan didn't really comprehend it either. He was shot, and with his brain damage just expected that she would be fine because, well, he was.
@@lillylovegood2300 exactly. Even when the detective condescendingly asked "you got shot first and you didnt die?" Ryan's response was genuine confusion. Along the lines of "yeah, I thought I'd be dead but I'm not." So in his damaged mind, it's possible he didnt think getting shot in the head could kill you. Coupled with no realization of the passage of time and there ya go. Truly an odd and sad story
@@br_andn I have no other words aside from 'exactly'! This type of story is rare. But it's possible people survive from bullet wounds in the head. And normally there isn't anything good from this stories.
Honestly I'm mad that they couldn't see the clear spot on his nose.
But I'm also mad at the guy who shot them because he's just as stupid as the cops.
It's a truly tragic story and all others in it aside from the victims and victims families are stupid. Imo
@@hillario7765 You're not wrong. I just feel that if I saw the hole in his nose I'd have some questions
This story is absolutely insane. The fact that nobody noticed the multiple bullet wounds in his head before taking him into custody and accusing him of murder is absolutely mind-boggling. It is absolutely ridiculous that the police did not notice this. Because of their ignorance, he lost his life. Like, come on guys, you have one job. SMH. Rest in peace Ryan and Heather.
Honestly. Even I could see that he needed medical attention prior to being interviewed although I couldn’t tell they were bullet holes and did think he sounded guilty to start with but they were right there and paramedics were at the scene whilst he was trapped in a police car. Why didn’t the paramedics check him over when they arrived? None of this would’ve happened. I’m not blaming paramedics- maybe the police stopped them or have to request a check and they didnt. Idk. Either way, it’s just so sad he was failed😔
Phoenix PD. The entire Justice system in Maricopa county is predatory, incompetent, and full of corruption.
I know a guy who had a person claim to the cops that he was breaking into their home , and it took just over 3 years for him to be able to prove that, no, he wasn’t breaking in, and that he actually owned the house.
During that time period, my friend was stalked mercilessly by Phoenix PD, beaten severely, and threatened regularly.
He’s one of the lucky few who made it out, many people never do.
The police are aggressive and incompetent. They care more about getting convictions than saving lives. The police are a largely predatory organization that DOES NOT care about human life. They chose rather to interrogate a man who was obviously hurt rather than help him, and it cost him his life. The same police force has shot unarmed black kids multiple times. They are evil.
@@trueblue6564 The police are NOT there to stop crime, all they do is abuse people and knock on their door after they've committed the crime.
@@amp4105 amen to that. Half the time the police are the criminals anyway. A badge is little more than an excuse to do crime with impunity.
One of the most horrible stories I’ve ever heard. That poor guy, walking around in a daze he cant wake up from…Its horrible Heather died instantly but I’d prefer that over what Ryan experienced. Terrible beyond adequate words.
OH MY GOSH HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT SOMETHING ISN'T RIGHT?!?
Four bullet holes? In his face? Shot twice? At point blank?
It physically hurts to see and hear this.
This poor boy went through hell twice.
He spent Christmas Eve and Christmas Day walking around his house brain damaged and his girlfriend dead on the couch, how heartbreaking is that! 🥺😔
Broke me…. Poor young soul
ikr. That poor guy. I wonder how lucid he was tho. Not sure if that's worse or not... just a horrible situation all around.
@@ArtbyKurtisEdwards he was probably very confused about his entire life and what happened the past few days. He also had damage to the Broca’s are in the left side of his brain. That’s why when he spoke his sentences and words made no sense….the poor soul 😭
"The only thing we want is our son back. And a lawsuit will not give us that"
This just sunk my heart to the ground.
And so did mine. But I couldn't help thinking that the parents had an obligation to sue. It would not have brought their son back, and I understand that's all they wanted. But it might have pushed the police department into some kind of responsibility, and forced them to publicly acknowledge their gross negligence.
Mine too
@@jimduncan5860 MrBallen said Ryan was wandering around his house by himself for a day and a half. By the time the police found him the damage had already been done
@@jimduncan5860 maybe they should have talked to ryans father extensively to get a better understanding before jumping to conclusions. Even if he was guilty should'nt have to wait in the police car that long especially since he hasnt been proven guilty regardless at that point. I thought it odd that a grown man had that bad of a black eye from a woman, never seen that before.
@@--.._ considering that he was still ambulatory and he could still verbalize his brain was not dead.....severely damaged but not dead.
Ryan ran on two things :
1) Love for heather
2) The determination for those bastards to get caught.
Rip bro