Can definitely be handed a Corvette eray and think it’s not a race. This is a video game if climate change is real and we’re all gonna be driving electric cars in 10 to 15 years then I only want to drive gas cars in video games considering they’re all going to be banned in the next couple years anyway so that’s the only way I will ever be able to drive them.
Also, the AI needs a big rework in my opinion I’m sick and tired of the AI being able to push me off the race track but when I do the same to the same AI that pushed me off the race track I can’t move their car millimetre or push them off the track. I’m also pretty sceptical of them not using real tracks in the game there are probably hundreds if not thousands of race tracks that aren’t being used as in their abandoned and I’d much rather rather abandon historical race tracks than fictional made up ones especially if they can’t get modern race tracks for whatever licensing brand deal agreement the excuses gonna be this time
Thanks for sharing your gameplay as well as forts hand viewing experience . You’re a good Reiger and simply need more time to develop that skill they sleepin’ on . Keep going nick!!!! From watching you play fh2 with Raymond and Marco to the lattes installment . It is always a joy watching you .
This is the best upgrade system we've had so far in Forza. no more 5 year olds like you with V12 AWD swaps in every car ramming people off the track. Learn to drive!
I'm in between, for online races and career stuff I don't mind needing to work but I NEED a way to test and tune multiple different builds otherwise I'd get bored, all I end up doing in these games is custom races with random cars I tune, I don't wanna have to play 10 hours just to test one cars upgrades... I need an in-between.
I Ike the upgrade system, it forces people who wanna stick with the game to get better at driving , rather than here’s all the money , max your car out in 5 mins and go race
Now what's going to happen is people are going to try it on game pass. They're going to realize that they've spent two three hours in the game and still haven't even gotten all the parts they want for their car still can't do the things they want and still can't build a drift car or the race car they want and then they're never coming back
@@evo_3 oh shut up you fucking want to be Boomer. Nobody wants to spend fucking 4 hours on one fucking car I have a fucking real job where I work nice and hard at. I am not coming home in my relax time to spend 4 hours on one goddamn car. Nobody's going to do that this is a casual game for casual players. You want something less casual go play on a PC and play those real simulators. Video games are supposed to be fun not a second fucking job. So you can take your superiority complex in your Napoleon complex and shove them so far up your ass but they become a new hat
@@lucky13sjfrom this vid he leveled up 5 times in 3 races without even winning, it won’t take long but it’s enough to weed out the impatient rammers and little kids
@@keenankircher7492 no that's going to be the majority of people that you run into think about it. Until you get your safety rating up that's all you're going to find in the lower lobbies. And it's going to discourage new players cuz they're going to do one online race and run into these deal holes. And the moment they run into these dildos are going to be like well that's what the whole games like fucking I'm out. You know what didn't artificially force you to race and level up cars and do this stupid shit and was considered one of the best games in the series Motorsports 4. Motorsports 4 is the most beloved game out of the entire series. And it allowed you to basically piss money away and get free parts.
The game looks great don’t get me wrong but the starter cars oh my days you start with a Subaru or a mustang, really? Why aren’t they genuine starter cars like small hatchbacks, Ford fiesta for example however looking forward to playing it
The leveling system is made so you don't put a twin turbo and race weight reduction and destroy all events in a instant at the start ig it prevents horizon players to do that
Exactly! It would make it way too easy at the start of the career. I honestly don’t mind the challenge. It’ll encourage you to actually drive better, which is what majority of the horizon community need to do. 😂
@@Hi_Im_Jay1020 sadly the horizon community is full of children who want to drive a super car in the first 1 minute of game time or upgradd therr cars to have 1 billion hp at the start hope with this new motorsport we see some changes to horizon like them bringing back event limitations like in fh1
@@luiz9118The leveling system…is also way too long. I’m not one to max out all of my car and build them with stupid amounts of horsepower, but even just having the ability to install normal upgrades whenever I want is now locked behind hours of playtime….and i’m in college…with not a lot of time to grind on one out of the likely 700 collected cars i’m going to have in my garage. Not just the Horizon kids are annoyed about this, genuine car builders will be annoyed by this too. I agree that we shouldn’t be handed a Lamborghini Aventador in our first minutes of gameplay, that’s fine. But locking upgrades, body mods behind individual car progression in a 700+ car list, when a lot of Forza players love collecting cars they likely will NEVER own and modify in real life, is just asking for mass community backlash.
@@Hi_Im_Jay1020 I do agree that there is a skill issue between modern Forza players, there are much more reasonable ways to coax these players (likely the newer generation) how to drive in this new Motorsport. But if I was starting out on my first Forza Motorsport with this game, I would rather have the freedom to learn in a bunch of different cars that I built with my own time and expertise after earning some race money, rather than sit in one car lapping on different tracks gradually unlocking small upgrades one at a time for over 3+ hours. In a game that will likely have over 700 cars. Even if you change cars in between, at the end of the day you’ll still need to put some seriously long time into each car to get what you want. At some point it’s going to become boring, and players are likely going to give up and play FM7, Horizon 5, or any other game with unlocked car customization.
For a game photographer, this upgrade really sucks.... When i got home i only got few hours can play the game, then every time i want to custom a car, i need race it for hours.
The game is looking so fun! I like the slow leveling & upgrade system FOR CAREER MODE but I know it’s gonna be mighty annoying in online and free play. Overall I like it better than the “let’s just throw cars and money at you” method of Horizon
@@UltraCasualPenguin I said I like the system better than Horizon’s? I just don’t think it’s good for multiplayer or free play as those rely heavily on being able to grab whatever car you have and making it competitive
The car levelling system is great! For literally any other type of game. The game looks great, the AI still don't exactly drive cleanly when in big packs together but they've definitely improved. It's just a shame that i have to spend hours driving a car, knowing exactly what i need to improve, but not being able to do it because not only do i not have the part unlocked to do so but I also might not have enough car points to do it also. They should've just stuck with the credits system and instead make early payouts really miniscule so you have to pick and choose that next upgrade rather than just not having access to it at all
@@joaopinto5850it adds progression. Which could be good. But it’s too much progression for a game like forza where you might wanna hop in something and throw on upgrades real fast to compete with friends or experiment
I kinda like the leveling system for the same reasons that everyone else has said in the comments, however my theory is that maybe the leveling was made slower for the content creators with early access so that they don't go through the game/progression too quick and show too much too soon
Well thankfully that's not the case(personally). The Forza Motorsport series doesn't lean to far into racing simulation physics like Asetto Corsa and Project Cars 2. It's a mixture of arcade and just enough simulation to make the game playable and most importantly enjoyable for controller players. And Forza Motorsport is one of the very few Xbox racing games that support controller players who want a litte more realism compared to other racing games. Also Forza Motorsport would knock out like 70% of its player base if it was designed more for wheel. I think that's why Project Cars 3 shifted into a more sim-cad racing. You Should really stick to PC and other racing sims if you are expecting that from Forza Motorsport.
I want them to leave the upgrade system alone for single player, but maybe have a separate system for multiplayer. Cause I like the Idea of leveling up cars and unlocking parts, but having to do that for impromptu multiplayer with friends isn't ideal. If anything, they should make that level apply to that model of car from then on, for example if you buy extras.
Honestly It seems like it could be fun to have to stick with a specific car for a while and upgrade it bit by bit, it means buying a car is that much more thought out. However its going to be a pain in the ass for drifters and drag racers. You have to drive and level a car for 3 hours and then after that re-tune it to drift, not know if its any good really. and then only once you hop online will you find out if your car is trash or not compared to everyone elses builds. And if it is trash, you start all over the next day with a different build
@@roxanneb2890 a lot of people are going to give up on this game because of what you just said right there what's the incentive to keep playing. Do you really think people are gone to just go on the sense of accomplishment no this is a racing game this is not like elden scrolls the secret of boulders dildo
I'm worried I'll be driving it so much that I'll end up being sick of it by the time I actually can upgrade, depends how long it is really but it's a progression system I guess 🤷♂️
If theres one thing i want to HEAR its the sounds, fine stuff like the LFA, Carrera GT, Murcielago, E60 M5, Huayra R and maybe any diesels if there in the game, FM7s sounds were amazing, i wanna see how theyve evolved
I love the lvl system for parts. Gives you a reason to actually drive the cars. As opposed to just buying them and upgrading them right away. Then again. I like RPGs a lot, so I'm used to grinding 😂
This will also make the game have a longer lifespan. I don't want to own every car in a matter of weeks because I got first every race because everything needed to do so was handed to us immediately.
For a game that's trying to be as realistic as possible, the upgrade system is a miss. When was the last time you went into a store and couldn't buy tires because you aren't a high enough level.
I‘m interested in the paint menu. Racecars should look like racecars and not like factory standard. It would be cool if you could choose a fictional raceteam in careermode, with a preset appearance which you can apply on every car you own. And also the ability to customize your team as you progress. Maybe unlocking new sponsors, decals, etc. The AI should also have teams. This would improve the feeling of a real rivalry, like: „Ah that stupid Barney Burgers Civic in front of me again.“
I personally don’t mind the upgrade system by the looks of it. Cuz FM7 allows you to upgrade anything you want right out the gate, which makes it too easy. I like that you have to put work in to make your car faster tbh.
You still had to work to earn the money to get it like it didn't just hand you a million right out of the fucking starting point and you were just like yeah go have at it
and there's also the matter of difficulty, if you don't wanna destroy every event, just turn the damn difficulty up, and upgrading your car is not an automatic win ever especially if the game scales the cars to yours
I hate the upgrading system. It should be something you can turn on/off instead of being an obligatory thing. I hate grinding for basic stuff that shouldn't be locked behind a dumb level system. Having to grind to Level 45 just to get a freaking widebody is so annoying and I'm not even counting the other stuff. If they don't want people to upgrade their cars to the max on the start of the game, give less money or something. This is a game I won't play unless they change this awful leveling system.
I think the upgrade system is meant to make it feel like a real life progression. You race more and more with a car and slowly but part that you can afford or choose to put the money elsewhere
You know what else did that having to earn money to buy cars. You know it's more realistic than some weird RPG leveling system earning money to be able to upgrade your cars. Nothing about this feels like real life progression. Maybe if this was a mechanic simulator
@@lucky13sjbut in fm7 credits where easy to come by, you do 7-8 races and you could easily get a car that’s near fully upgraded. This looks like a whole new system and is giving me FH1 vibes where you bond with a car and have to work with it to make it better. Rather than just throwing money and parts at a problem and then moving onto the next thing
@@AGreyGoat So you balance the credits, you don't lock shit behind some stupid fucking level wall like I'm playing Skyrim. I never had an issue with games like Forza 3 and 4 it was still grindy but to the extent that a racing game should be not some weird RPG-Racing hybrid.
In real life your car level doesn't limit you to what upgrade you buy. Your bank account does... this feels like a dodgy car MMO system. Completely game and not an ounce of real life.
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LMAO ah yes the "pride and accomplishment comment" gave me PTSD flashbacks to my days covering Star Wars Battlefront 2. Thx for that 😂 also Forza is looking great, can't wait to play this. LETS GOOOOOO
I actually like the upgrade system for single player. It prompts players to experiment and find out what works for each car, and it makes the races much more competitive instead of just allowing you to slap a turbo and grippy tires on right away and outpace everyone. For online though, this system would be very annoying.
I don't think I've ever seen a more half-baked upgrade system in a racing game. There must be something broken in the playtest-dev pipeline for this bullshit to fly. It makes no sense either within the scope of the game or in a game progression sense. From what I've seen, this leveling system doesn't even transfer car level to a second copy of the same car. It's utterly ridiculous. There are half a dozen ways this could've been done better, some of those options even come from the same franchise, that this is just a colossal fuck-up. I don't have time for this shit. This penalizes the many players for the sins of the few, and it's the worst possible ploy for player retention. It doesn't have to be black and white. Nobody argues you should just get a Lamborghini Huracan shoved up your backside for free within 10 minutes of starting the game. But that doesn't mean you should be stuck with an at best half-upgraded car for 2-3 hours. This is painful. Unless they change that, I'm done with Forza Motorsport. This useless grind is not worth my effort, not for the nicest driving physics in the world.
Gotta say this video is getting me really hyped for Forza Motorsport! I’ve been looking forward to a serious racing game from Forza for awhile. And Nick stop being such a baby about the upgrade system, your just mad because you suck at it.
Driving a single car for 3 hours just to fully upgrade it is absolute horse shit if i wanted a grind id buy a playstation and get gt 7 they should have locked car class and type behind progression not upgrades i am no wasting 1500 hours driving stock cars I was gonna a xbox series s or x for this game not anymore guess ill wait till borderlands 4 or the next elder scrolls they pulled out a 12 gauge and shot them selves in the face
honestly, the upgrades system is awesome, it makes you earn your upgrades instead of having a 2000hp car by the 3rd race like in forza horizon. The career mode would be so easy and boring otherwise
It's Forza I can almost guarantee that it's possible to have 2000hp by the 3rd race. Like shit I had 450+ unique cars the first day of playing fh5 without doing a single race or event
yeah.. this might be the first forza game i don't buy, that upgrade system just, that destory's forza for me, i love grabbing a car, and figuring out wat i wanna tune it for, tuning it, and moving to the next car, i truly hope they just, remove it lmfao just let us tune are car's, i think the level'ing system is cool, i think they should keep the system in the game to show ur level with a specific car / brand, but they absolutely should not lock the upgrades. absolutely giving up with forza, i've kept low expectations since FM5 and FH3, and day 1's and new systems have continue'd to disappoint. hopefully they make changes, see you in 3 years :)
I'm not really against having the higher level parts locked, that's the way i always played games like NFS. And to be honest, it is part of a progression system, which is what Forza fans have been dying to get. What i don't agree is having to level up each car specifically to get an upgrade. That's too try hard. Locking every part behind driver level would be better in my opinion.
This upgrade system will just make everyone choose the op cars and stick with it not exploring other cars to test their abilities andtry cars that isnt as fast but just as fun
Not me but I prefer to play games myself unlike most modern "gamers" that can't make a settings change without someone telling them what to do. Honestly think the internet is causing people to have bad problem solving skills. Thinking and figuring things out is learned through life, kids raised with Google can't figure out anything. Just the truth
@@danielredziniak2996It would not be that hard to do it, don't need to make an exhaust tip for every car, older cars could share a lot of them and have no issues with fitment, they just don't care.
I feel like the first update will probably do away with the leveling system, it seems cool at first but most casual players do not have the time to put 3+ hours in on every car in their garage, that takes way too long
New upgrade system sucks...... I don't like the new Forza Motorsport upgrade system, if u want to upgrade your car, u need spend lots of time to play with the same car. So if u want to full upgrade a car, maybe u need to keep racing for many hours. How much money a Game Pass game can make depends on how much time players spend playing it. So i think because this reason they made this system, but for those players just want to custom their car, it's a nightmare.
I would have absolutely no problem with the upgrade system if you didn’t have to do it for each individual car. Like if I fully unlock everything for a Camaro ZL1 1LE and then go buy a second one, I should not have to re-unlock everything
I don't think the upgrade system is inherently bad, it's got the right idea but it does need a little rework. I think let's do away with the level system swap it for a point system, where you need drive a certain distance(constant value, doesn't increase as you get more points) to get a point which you can then spend to unlock any upgrade of your choice. Maybe make more powerful upgrades cost 2 or even 3 points to give them extra value. We could also have challenges like complete a lap of in under as extra unlock conditions for the most powerful upgrades.
Yeah then you still have to drive the car and you know how long you have to drive the car and play the game instead of having to wonder how long it will take to get to a certain level.
I prefer this leveling system instead of having everything handed out in front of you from the start. Instead of having some easy fix, you can learn to adapt your technique. You don't really grind in Forza. I'm excited and can't wait
Yeah, you get to experience each car for what it is. You'll be forced to pick a car that has intrinsic driving traits that you want. If you want a superlight, nimble car, don't start with something big and AWD. Granted, you can eventually get it to drive however you want, but not at first.
@theforestarcher9680 exactly. RWD, FWD, and AWD have their own advantages and disadvantages. I don't really watch AR12, but it seems as if he wanted everything given to him, and his driving isn't really all that great. I can see why he doesn't like it. Personally I won't get bored so early on already having my favorite cars with everything I want on it. It's usually getting credits you're wating for and it doesn't take much, then boom you're on your 20th car throwing all upgrades
@@Yautja_Shadow stop repeating that oh you just want everything given to you bullshit just stop it it's not what people want. We're all cool with doing away with the wheel spin bullshit out of horizon seeing as that's where most of your freebies come from anyway. Having to race and earn the money to buy all the cars you want and all the upgrades you want for those cars was always perfectly fine and perfectly fun there was no need for some artificial padding of the playtime
@lucky13sj For being a Forza fan, I get bored really easily because of how much everything is already given to you from the start. The only way you grind is when a new car is being released and you unlock them by doing the festival. Other than that, your level doesn't mean anything, and if im being honest, it's useless. A level 26 like myself can have all the things as a level 1000 player besides what icons? Let's be honest, Forza games get boring pretty quick a couple months after their releases. I don't mind it so much for Horizon, but I definitely would prefer a leveling system for Motorsport, especially when there isn't going to be any drag racing and drifting when it releases. Just imagine how bored you'd be if everything is going to be given to you from the start when Motorsport drops not having drag and drift. You can easily say the game would be dead very fast. If anything, there could be a possibility of the new Motorsport getting a lot of backlash like Halo for an example. Say what you want. I'm a Forza fan and I'm not afraid to call them out when things don't go right. The team has been putting alot of work into the game. Lets just hope they know what they're doing
@lucky13sj also you can get credits really easily doing Goliath races doing a bunch of laps. You're pretty much on unlimited money and if somehow you struggle getting money in the game that's your own fault. They didn't make it where it's a grind to get money like GTA5
It appears animated pit stops are still not present in the new Motorsport as the camera cutscenes only show certain angles without showing the pit crew changing the tires or fueling up the car. In my opinion the upgrade system could be revised a bit to where certain upgrade parts like sport weight reduction, air intakes, suspension, etc can be unlocked at lower levels and race upgrade parts can be unlocked at higher levels, or they can remove the upgrade progression altogether.
does anybody else feel like the car upgrade system is gonna cause very little variation in the cars you see online? I understand the concept and think its cool but the fact is we live in a lazy generation. are people actually going to spend the time it takes to upgrade their favourite cars?
Nope people are going to wait around until they figure out what the " unquote meta is and they'll only upgrade that car. I mean hell if it takes 4 hours to fully max out a car and you wanted to get four different cars that's two full work days
please tell forza to add 360 degree steering wheel and tell forza to look at yuwan thayakaran videos where he is telling to add and remove features that makes the game better and to follow your videos because nick you make the best content funny jokes
Not a fan of the graphics personally. Its almost completely realistic but you can still tell its a game. It gave me a headache just watching this video. Much bigger fan of like FH5, FM7, Etc.
I was so looking forward to this game but that car upgrade method is awful. All it’ll do is force you to play cars you like rather than trying one out as people won’t be willing to put 5 hours in for a Fiat 500 for example.
You remind me of my friend who always crys his cars are slower but its just obvious his exit speed is just horrible because he went in too fast so i come out of the turn and just blow by him in slower cars. I promise making your car lighter is not something you should be worrying about right now.
@@FiatUno2003 nah, that's 100% skill. I just recently booted up my old ass pc from 2015, went back into fh3, and realissed that the cars have more weight transfere, but they slide less.
@@v.s.727it's literally skill issue. Fh5 cars are insanely easy to drive, even stupid power builds like a 1900hp Hennessy in s1 class are easy to manage around turns
@@XxWarmancxXIf you don't use tc nor esc Fh3 has a bigger range, where the car is slipping but not going sideways, whilest on fh5 the car grips or it goes sideways. I dont use traction control, so rwd powerbuilds aren't really controlable at all. I prefer rwd cars with up to 600hp for drivability and in fh3 they just feel more planted. Btw plack pantha told the same, when he recently went back to older fh games.
This guy should focus on learning to drive faster instead of relying on modifications. Do agree that leveling up every individual car is a pain in the ass. Maybe just level up the driver then have races rely on BOP.
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cant wait until it comes out!
I can’t wait to break the game
Can definitely be handed a Corvette eray and think it’s not a race. This is a video game if climate change is real and we’re all gonna be driving electric cars in 10 to 15 years then I only want to drive gas cars in video games considering they’re all going to be banned in the next couple years anyway so that’s the only way I will ever be able to drive them.
Also, the AI needs a big rework in my opinion I’m sick and tired of the AI being able to push me off the race track but when I do the same to the same AI that pushed me off the race track I can’t move their car millimetre or push them off the track. I’m also pretty sceptical of them not using real tracks in the game there are probably hundreds if not thousands of race tracks that aren’t being used as in their abandoned and I’d much rather rather abandon historical race tracks than fictional made up ones especially if they can’t get modern race tracks for whatever licensing brand deal agreement the excuses gonna be this time
I can wait play this game
2 let’s plays in 20 minutes? Wow that’s awesome!
Agreed!
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@@cargastic5892 WW!
Thanks for sharing your gameplay as well as forts hand viewing experience . You’re a good Reiger and simply need more time to develop that skill they sleepin’ on . Keep going nick!!!! From watching you play fh2 with Raymond and Marco to the lattes installment . It is always a joy watching you .
Honestly I love new upgrading system. Makes you more connected to the car
This is the best upgrade system we've had so far in Forza. no more 5 year olds like you with V12 AWD swaps in every car ramming people off the track.
Learn to drive!
I drive a 2018 type r so the fact it can be my first car! I’m so hype!
Anyone notice how big the steering wheel was in the e ray
I like this new upgrade system. You actually have to put some effort into your car! This will make the late game much less boring than fh5.
I disagree but I respect your opinion
I'm in between, for online races and career stuff I don't mind needing to work but I NEED a way to test and tune multiple different builds otherwise I'd get bored, all I end up doing in these games is custom races with random cars I tune, I don't wanna have to play 10 hours just to test one cars upgrades... I need an in-between.
4:45 It's an Essenza, not an Eczema 🤣
So we all can agree that they sharted on upgrade system
I Ike the upgrade system, it forces people who wanna stick with the game to get better at driving , rather than here’s all the money , max your car out in 5 mins and go race
Now what's going to happen is people are going to try it on game pass. They're going to realize that they've spent two three hours in the game and still haven't even gotten all the parts they want for their car still can't do the things they want and still can't build a drift car or the race car they want and then they're never coming back
@@lucky13sjits Just laziness
@@evo_3 oh shut up you fucking want to be Boomer. Nobody wants to spend fucking 4 hours on one fucking car I have a fucking real job where I work nice and hard at. I am not coming home in my relax time to spend 4 hours on one goddamn car. Nobody's going to do that this is a casual game for casual players. You want something less casual go play on a PC and play those real simulators. Video games are supposed to be fun not a second fucking job. So you can take your superiority complex in your Napoleon complex and shove them so far up your ass but they become a new hat
@@lucky13sjfrom this vid he leveled up 5 times in 3 races without even winning, it won’t take long but it’s enough to weed out the impatient rammers and little kids
@@keenankircher7492 no that's going to be the majority of people that you run into think about it. Until you get your safety rating up that's all you're going to find in the lower lobbies. And it's going to discourage new players cuz they're going to do one online race and run into these deal holes. And the moment they run into these dildos are going to be like well that's what the whole games like fucking I'm out. You know what didn't artificially force you to race and level up cars and do this stupid shit and was considered one of the best games in the series Motorsports 4. Motorsports 4 is the most beloved game out of the entire series. And it allowed you to basically piss money away and get free parts.
The game looks great don’t get me wrong but the starter cars oh my days you start with a Subaru or a mustang, really? Why aren’t they genuine starter cars like small hatchbacks, Ford fiesta for example however looking forward to playing it
Nick when he has to drive a car how it was made: 😡😡🤬🤬
The leveling system is made so you don't put a twin turbo and race weight reduction and destroy all events in a instant at the start ig it prevents horizon players to do that
Exactly! It would make it way too easy at the start of the career. I honestly don’t mind the challenge. It’ll encourage you to actually drive better, which is what majority of the horizon community need to do. 😂
@@Hi_Im_Jay1020 sadly the horizon community is full of children who want to drive a super car in the first 1 minute of game time or upgradd therr cars to have 1 billion hp at the start hope with this new motorsport we see some changes to horizon like them bringing back event limitations like in fh1
@@luiz9118The leveling system…is also way too long.
I’m not one to max out all of my car and build them with stupid amounts of horsepower, but even just having the ability to install normal upgrades whenever I want is now locked behind hours of playtime….and i’m in college…with not a lot of time to grind on one out of the likely 700 collected cars i’m going to have in my garage.
Not just the Horizon kids are annoyed about this, genuine car builders will be annoyed by this too. I agree that we shouldn’t be handed a Lamborghini Aventador in our first minutes of gameplay, that’s fine. But locking upgrades, body mods behind individual car progression in a 700+ car list, when a lot of Forza players love collecting cars they likely will NEVER own and modify in real life, is just asking for mass community backlash.
@@luiz9118or there are casual players who have lives and don’t want to spend 3 hours on one car
@@Hi_Im_Jay1020 I do agree that there is a skill issue between modern Forza players, there are much more reasonable ways to coax these players (likely the newer generation) how to drive in this new Motorsport. But if I was starting out on my first Forza Motorsport with this game, I would rather have the freedom to learn in a bunch of different cars that I built with my own time and expertise after earning some race money, rather than sit in one car lapping on different tracks gradually unlocking small upgrades one at a time for over 3+ hours. In a game that will likely have over 700 cars. Even if you change cars in between, at the end of the day you’ll still need to put some seriously long time into each car to get what you want. At some point it’s going to become boring, and players are likely going to give up and play FM7, Horizon 5, or any other game with unlocked car customization.
Mind you, to unlock a BODYKIT (which is totally cosmetic), you have to be level FOURTY-FIVE.
You can't even fully upgrade a car for PHOTOS.
I guess I will never play this game.
Ain't no way I'm going to grind to unlock visual customisation
For a game photographer, this upgrade really sucks....
When i got home i only got few hours can play the game, then every time i want to custom a car, i need race it for hours.
WHO CARES THE GAME IS ABOUT RACING…unlock it if u want it WTF . I bet you rev and do burnouts at car meets I guarantee
Too much grind😢
A body kit isn’t fully cosmetic it allows you to equip much wider wheels along with aero so sad you guys just continue to play horizon 🤣
The game is looking so fun! I like the slow leveling & upgrade system FOR CAREER MODE but I know it’s gonna be mighty annoying in online and free play. Overall I like it better than the “let’s just throw cars and money at you” method of Horizon
First you don't want cars and upgrades handed to you then you want them handed to you.
Try to decide.
@@UltraCasualPenguinThey said it’s going to be annoying in multiplayer but not in career mode. He’s already decided. Learn to read
Agreed
@@UltraCasualPenguin I said I like the system better than Horizon’s? I just don’t think it’s good for multiplayer or free play as those rely heavily on being able to grab whatever car you have and making it competitive
The car levelling system is great! For literally any other type of game. The game looks great, the AI still don't exactly drive cleanly when in big packs together but they've definitely improved. It's just a shame that i have to spend hours driving a car, knowing exactly what i need to improve, but not being able to do it because not only do i not have the part unlocked to do so but I also might not have enough car points to do it also. They should've just stuck with the credits system and instead make early payouts really miniscule so you have to pick and choose that next upgrade rather than just not having access to it at all
So how exactly is the car levelling great? You just said that it sucks lmao
@@joaopinto5850it adds progression. Which could be good. But it’s too much progression for a game like forza where you might wanna hop in something and throw on upgrades real fast to compete with friends or experiment
@@joaopinto5850 i just said its great for any other type of game. Its a typical RPG element that works for RPG games not for for Forza.
did you read past that first sentence lol@@joaopinto5850
The game doesnt look different enough to warrent buying it (at least at full price) It looks like another ctrl+c ,ctrl+v by turn 10 again
I kinda like the leveling system for the same reasons that everyone else has said in the comments, however my theory is that maybe the leveling was made slower for the content creators with early access so that they don't go through the game/progression too quick and show too much too soon
Honestly the AI seems even less aware of the player than Forza Motorsport 2
Turn 10 have already said this is an old AI and it'll be completely different for the actual launch.
Well I do hope this does get fixed because back in the FM2 days if you were along side they would actually change their line.@@mbochum83
The New Forza Motorsport looks so sick actually
Does it?
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Let’s go!!!!! Hopefully it is much better than 7🙏
"Game stop giving me these things."
"I can't get hipacar and all upgrades after first race."
Try to decide.
No one's asking for a hypercar in the first race stop with your fictitious made up bullshit
This looks awesome, I’m excited for the upgrade system personally, not gonna be able to smash the opponent at the exact moment you buy the car
I think this game would be more appropriate on wheel than controller, and I am excited to hear how the FFB feels
bro yea, was a lil confused on why he didnt play on wheel but you know, whatever
I’m hoping it’s good on wheel, that’s the only reason I’ll buy the game
Well thankfully that's not the case(personally). The Forza Motorsport series doesn't lean to far into racing simulation physics like Asetto Corsa and Project Cars 2. It's a mixture of arcade and just enough simulation to make the game playable and most importantly enjoyable for controller players. And Forza Motorsport is one of the very few Xbox racing games that support controller players who want a litte more realism compared to other racing games. Also Forza Motorsport would knock out like 70% of its player base if it was designed more for wheel. I think that's why Project Cars 3 shifted into a more sim-cad racing. You Should really stick to PC and other racing sims if you are expecting that from Forza Motorsport.
@@khakipeach2128id suggest getting game pass instead of buying it out right you get access to so many more games and is a better deal
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I want them to leave the upgrade system alone for single player, but maybe have a separate system for multiplayer. Cause I like the Idea of leveling up cars and unlocking parts, but having to do that for impromptu multiplayer with friends isn't ideal.
If anything, they should make that level apply to that model of car from then on, for example if you buy extras.
did anyone notice at 6:13 the cars picture??
Not sure about the upgrade system, quite tedious. Plus, the plate lights should've lit up at night.
Is it just me that feels like the starting cutscene feels like something top gear/ grand tour esque, with how Jeremy introduces cars
I like the upgrade system, will make me stick to one car for longer
Honestly It seems like it could be fun to have to stick with a specific car for a while and upgrade it bit by bit, it means buying a car is that much more thought out. However its going to be a pain in the ass for drifters and drag racers. You have to drive and level a car for 3 hours and then after that re-tune it to drift, not know if its any good really. and then only once you hop online will you find out if your car is trash or not compared to everyone elses builds. And if it is trash, you start all over the next day with a different build
@@roxanneb2890 a lot of people are going to give up on this game because of what you just said right there what's the incentive to keep playing. Do you really think people are gone to just go on the sense of accomplishment no this is a racing game this is not like elden scrolls the secret of boulders dildo
I'm worried I'll be driving it so much that I'll end up being sick of it by the time I actually can upgrade, depends how long it is really but it's a progression system I guess 🤷♂️
@@jamesp1389 it's 3 plus hours per car
That's bad. Veriety is the spice of life. What made horizon fun. You alway drive a new car
and tell forza to remove cringe script lines and add some animosity
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If theres one thing i want to HEAR its the sounds, fine stuff like the LFA, Carrera GT, Murcielago, E60 M5, Huayra R and maybe any diesels if there in the game, FM7s sounds were amazing, i wanna see how theyve evolved
I love the lvl system for parts. Gives you a reason to actually drive the cars. As opposed to just buying them and upgrading them right away. Then again. I like RPGs a lot, so I'm used to grinding 😂
This will also make the game have a longer lifespan. I don't want to own every car in a matter of weeks because I got first every race because everything needed to do so was handed to us immediately.
@@refillz5281 exactly
Al least it will make the bad kid drivers stay away from the game
For a game that's trying to be as realistic as possible, the upgrade system is a miss. When was the last time you went into a store and couldn't buy tires because you aren't a high enough level.
@@AR12Gamingw
Can’t wait to play this
I‘m interested in the paint menu. Racecars should look like racecars and not like factory standard. It would be cool if you could choose a fictional raceteam in careermode, with a preset appearance which you can apply on every car you own. And also the ability to customize your team as you progress. Maybe unlocking new sponsors, decals, etc.
The AI should also have teams. This would improve the feeling of a real rivalry, like: „Ah that stupid Barney Burgers Civic in front of me again.“
Sadly the upgrade system completely kills this game for me but Im excited for the videos!
I think I’m with you on this one
I'm there with you on this
Would have loved if we started with econoboxes just like fm4. I guess thats not happening then 😢
I’ll be so happy if the 2006 Miura is in this game, my favourite car in existence and it’s only ever been in FM4
and horizon
It’s also in project Gotham racing 4
And nfs rivals
Its also in grid legends
There's a bug already in game, after Nick got Subaru and done first race, the car level was level 4, then he did 2nd race at Mugello and it back to 1
I personally don’t mind the upgrade system by the looks of it. Cuz FM7 allows you to upgrade anything you want right out the gate, which makes it too easy. I like that you have to put work in to make your car faster tbh.
You still had to work to earn the money to get it like it didn't just hand you a million right out of the fucking starting point and you were just like yeah go have at it
and there's also the matter of difficulty, if you don't wanna destroy every event, just turn the damn difficulty up, and upgrading your car is not an automatic win ever especially if the game scales the cars to yours
I really like this
I hate the upgrading system. It should be something you can turn on/off instead of being an obligatory thing. I hate grinding for basic stuff that shouldn't be locked behind a dumb level system. Having to grind to Level 45 just to get a freaking widebody is so annoying and I'm not even counting the other stuff. If they don't want people to upgrade their cars to the max on the start of the game, give less money or something. This is a game I won't play unless they change this awful leveling system.
Didn't you demand progression earlier?
I feel like my brain is overloading just listening to the talking.
I think the upgrade system is meant to make it feel like a real life progression. You race more and more with a car and slowly but part that you can afford or choose to put the money elsewhere
You know what else did that having to earn money to buy cars. You know it's more realistic than some weird RPG leveling system earning money to be able to upgrade your cars. Nothing about this feels like real life progression. Maybe if this was a mechanic simulator
@@lucky13sjbut in fm7 credits where easy to come by, you do 7-8 races and you could easily get a car that’s near fully upgraded. This looks like a whole new system and is giving me FH1 vibes where you bond with a car and have to work with it to make it better. Rather than just throwing money and parts at a problem and then moving onto the next thing
@@AGreyGoat FH1 still at the same buy an upgrade model is every other Forza game
@@AGreyGoat So you balance the credits, you don't lock shit behind some stupid fucking level wall like I'm playing Skyrim. I never had an issue with games like Forza 3 and 4 it was still grindy but to the extent that a racing game should be not some weird RPG-Racing hybrid.
In real life your car level doesn't limit you to what upgrade you buy. Your bank account does... this feels like a dodgy car MMO system. Completely game and not an ounce of real life.
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LMAO ah yes the "pride and accomplishment comment" gave me PTSD flashbacks to my days covering Star Wars Battlefront 2. Thx for that 😂 also Forza is looking great, can't wait to play this. LETS GOOOOOO
I actually like the upgrade system for single player. It prompts players to experiment and find out what works for each car, and it makes the races much more competitive instead of just allowing you to slap a turbo and grippy tires on right away and outpace everyone. For online though, this system would be very annoying.
I don't think I've ever seen a more half-baked upgrade system in a racing game. There must be something broken in the playtest-dev pipeline for this bullshit to fly. It makes no sense either within the scope of the game or in a game progression sense. From what I've seen, this leveling system doesn't even transfer car level to a second copy of the same car. It's utterly ridiculous.
There are half a dozen ways this could've been done better, some of those options even come from the same franchise, that this is just a colossal fuck-up. I don't have time for this shit. This penalizes the many players for the sins of the few, and it's the worst possible ploy for player retention.
It doesn't have to be black and white. Nobody argues you should just get a Lamborghini Huracan shoved up your backside for free within 10 minutes of starting the game. But that doesn't mean you should be stuck with an at best half-upgraded car for 2-3 hours. This is painful. Unless they change that, I'm done with Forza Motorsport. This useless grind is not worth my effort, not for the nicest driving physics in the world.
As long as there’s a split screen option I’ll be happy. Love playing with my dad!
Thats so wholesome i wish my dad would do something like that🙂
Gotta say this video is getting me really hyped for Forza Motorsport! I’ve been looking forward to a serious racing game from Forza for awhile. And Nick stop being such a baby about the upgrade system, your just mad because you suck at it.
I love how Forza is pretty great for casual players, and then makes a customization system that pretty much screws us over
Driving a single car for 3 hours just to fully upgrade it is absolute horse shit if i wanted a grind id buy a playstation and get gt 7 they should have locked car class and type behind progression not upgrades i am no wasting 1500 hours driving stock cars
I was gonna a xbox series s or x for this game not anymore guess ill wait till borderlands 4 or the next elder scrolls they pulled out a 12 gauge and shot them selves in the face
honestly, the upgrades system is awesome, it makes you earn your upgrades instead of having a 2000hp car by the 3rd race like in forza horizon. The career mode would be so easy and boring otherwise
It's Forza I can almost guarantee that it's possible to have 2000hp by the 3rd race. Like shit I had 450+ unique cars the first day of playing fh5 without doing a single race or event
yeah.. this might be the first forza game i don't buy, that upgrade system just, that destory's forza for me, i love grabbing a car, and figuring out wat i wanna tune it for, tuning it, and moving to the next car, i truly hope they just, remove it lmfao just let us tune are car's, i think the level'ing system is cool, i think they should keep the system in the game to show ur level with a specific car / brand, but they absolutely should not lock the upgrades.
absolutely giving up with forza, i've kept low expectations since FM5 and FH3, and day 1's and new systems have continue'd to disappoint. hopefully they make changes, see you in 3 years :)
Holy hell 2?!!!!!!!!
Dayuuuum this turned into the best day of my life ❤️
I'm not really against having the higher level parts locked, that's the way i always played games like NFS. And to be honest, it is part of a progression system, which is what Forza fans have been dying to get. What i don't agree is having to level up each car specifically to get an upgrade. That's too try hard. Locking every part behind driver level would be better in my opinion.
This upgrade system will just make everyone choose the op cars and stick with it not exploring other cars to test their abilities andtry cars that isnt as fast but just as fun
Not me but I prefer to play games myself unlike most modern "gamers" that can't make a settings change without someone telling them what to do. Honestly think the internet is causing people to have bad problem solving skills. Thinking and figuring things out is learned through life, kids raised with Google can't figure out anything. Just the truth
@@metallicafan416 yea that's you but a lot of people will look at the leaderboard and just use that one car
Did anyone see the cars from the movie cars @6:13 right before he picked his car?
Really want to see some driver customisation. I was hoping we’d get suit/helmet design features like GT7… doesn’t look like it
You can customise the suit and the helmet, he just didn't cover it much and just skipped by it.
Sorry gt7 players but forza takes the W here!
Somehow I wouldn't be surpried if one of your first car contenders was the AMG One
I’m absolutely not gonna buy this game until they fix the upgrading system… How in the world did they mess up this big?
Can you change the look of the exhaust or is Forza still 20+ years behind other games?
Probably still 20+ years behind.
judging by how we still have the ugly ahh forza aero, Forza still is 20+ years behind other games.
i mean other games have barely any cars like nfs. Make 700+ exhaust tips bud
@@danielredziniak2996It would not be that hard to do it, don't need to make an exhaust tip for every car, older cars could share a lot of them and have no issues with fitment, they just don't care.
You are spoiling us today, I just came from the crew part 1 video
I feel like the first update will probably do away with the leveling system, it seems cool at first but most casual players do not have the time to put 3+ hours in on every car in their garage, that takes way too long
Yeah later there will be 700 plus cars so 3 hours times 700 equals too much grinding. This ain't a car MMO like the crew.
Forza motorsport and crew same day????
New upgrade system sucks......
I don't like the new Forza Motorsport upgrade system, if u want to upgrade your car, u need spend lots of time to play with the same car.
So if u want to full upgrade a car, maybe u need to keep racing for many hours.
How much money a Game Pass game can make depends on how much time players spend playing it.
So i think because this reason they made this system, but for those players just want to custom their car, it's a nightmare.
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@@AR12Gamingyes
I disagree
@@AR12Gaming yes this sucks
I would have absolutely no problem with the upgrade system if you didn’t have to do it for each individual car. Like if I fully unlock everything for a Camaro ZL1 1LE and then go buy a second one, I should not have to re-unlock everything
I don't think the upgrade system is inherently bad, it's got the right idea but it does need a little rework.
I think let's do away with the level system swap it for a point system, where you need drive a certain distance(constant value, doesn't increase as you get more points) to get a point which you can then spend to unlock any upgrade of your choice. Maybe make more powerful upgrades cost 2 or even 3 points to give them extra value. We could also have challenges like complete a lap of in under as extra unlock conditions for the most powerful upgrades.
Yeah then you still have to drive the car and you know how long you have to drive the car and play the game instead of having to wonder how long it will take to get to a certain level.
I can't believe I'm this early to such an important video! 😊
This game looks incredible so far can't wait to pick it up also thanks for the amazing gameplay Nick
does it?
@@lhmocs6368and you wonder why you’re a virgin
@@lhmocs6368doesn’t look that good to me 😬
@@ihax4uv179 looks like assetto corsa (not modded) and that game is from 2014
@lhmocs6368 It does to me but then again I'm used to switch game graphics so 🤷
NO I DONT BELIEVE IT, 2 VIDEOS IN LESS THAN AN HOUR. NOPE THIS IS NOT YOU NICK, IT AINT YOU.
If this is worse than 7 after all this time….
Did anyone else clock the Cars movie poster at 6:13?
I prefer this leveling system instead of having everything handed out in front of you from the start. Instead of having some easy fix, you can learn to adapt your technique. You don't really grind in Forza. I'm excited and can't wait
Yeah, you get to experience each car for what it is. You'll be forced to pick a car that has intrinsic driving traits that you want. If you want a superlight, nimble car, don't start with something big and AWD. Granted, you can eventually get it to drive however you want, but not at first.
@theforestarcher9680 exactly. RWD, FWD, and AWD have their own advantages and disadvantages. I don't really watch AR12, but it seems as if he wanted everything given to him, and his driving isn't really all that great. I can see why he doesn't like it. Personally I won't get bored so early on already having my favorite cars with everything I want on it. It's usually getting credits you're wating for and it doesn't take much, then boom you're on your 20th car throwing all upgrades
@@Yautja_Shadow stop repeating that oh you just want everything given to you bullshit just stop it it's not what people want. We're all cool with doing away with the wheel spin bullshit out of horizon seeing as that's where most of your freebies come from anyway. Having to race and earn the money to buy all the cars you want and all the upgrades you want for those cars was always perfectly fine and perfectly fun there was no need for some artificial padding of the playtime
@lucky13sj For being a Forza fan, I get bored really easily because of how much everything is already given to you from the start. The only way you grind is when a new car is being released and you unlock them by doing the festival. Other than that, your level doesn't mean anything, and if im being honest, it's useless. A level 26 like myself can have all the things as a level 1000 player besides what icons? Let's be honest, Forza games get boring pretty quick a couple months after their releases. I don't mind it so much for Horizon, but I definitely would prefer a leveling system for Motorsport, especially when there isn't going to be any drag racing and drifting when it releases. Just imagine how bored you'd be if everything is going to be given to you from the start when Motorsport drops not having drag and drift. You can easily say the game would be dead very fast. If anything, there could be a possibility of the new Motorsport getting a lot of backlash like Halo for an example. Say what you want. I'm a Forza fan and I'm not afraid to call them out when things don't go right. The team has been putting alot of work into the game. Lets just hope they know what they're doing
@lucky13sj also you can get credits really easily doing Goliath races doing a bunch of laps. You're pretty much on unlimited money and if somehow you struggle getting money in the game that's your own fault. They didn't make it where it's a grind to get money like GTA5
Hybrids don't appear to be simulated. There's no battery gauge for the Corvette e-Ray and the power gauge on the cluster is locked at 85 kW.
It appears animated pit stops are still not present in the new Motorsport as the camera cutscenes only show certain angles without showing the pit crew changing the tires or fueling up the car. In my opinion the upgrade system could be revised a bit to where certain upgrade parts like sport weight reduction, air intakes, suspension, etc can be unlocked at lower levels and race upgrade parts can be unlocked at higher levels, or they can remove the upgrade progression altogether.
Agreed, also the fact that the top 3 are still inhumanly fast at level 6 worries me.
@@ThePower1037I feel like Need for Speed Shift had a really good upgrade system.
@ThePower1037 the devs said that the ai were completely reworked. It takes actual skill to beat them now.
@@1eyepaul I get that, what I don't get is how assetto has been far superior in accomplishing that, despite its almost decade old code.
@@ThePower1037 who knows
I hate this game's color grading.. why are all the colors so muted? and that fog.. that gray mystery fog? makes the game so gray!..
does anybody else feel like the car upgrade system is gonna cause very little variation in the cars you see online? I understand the concept and think its cool but the fact is we live in a lazy generation. are people actually going to spend the time it takes to upgrade their favourite cars?
Nope people are going to wait around until they figure out what the " unquote meta is and they'll only upgrade that car. I mean hell if it takes 4 hours to fully max out a car and you wanted to get four different cars that's two full work days
It not being Clarkson on the intro hurt my heart more than I expected
I miss clarkson, may and Hammond. Icons of cars
please tell forza to add 360 degree steering wheel and tell forza to look at yuwan thayakaran videos where he is telling to add and remove features that makes the game better and to follow your videos because nick you make the best content funny jokes
It did get 360 degree steering im pretty sure
Not a fan of the graphics personally. Its almost completely realistic but you can still tell its a game. It gave me a headache just watching this video. Much bigger fan of like FH5, FM7, Etc.
I love how nick complains about weight reduction but he picks the heaviest early game cars 😂
I was so looking forward to this game but that car upgrade method is awful.
All it’ll do is force you to play cars you like rather than trying one out as people won’t be willing to put 5 hours in for a Fiat 500 for example.
I’m so hyped for FM 2023 early access vid and nicely done Nickypoo, keep up the good work ❤
But did they bring back Fujimi Kaido? We need a crazy mountain pass/canyon race
ngl the graphics are kinda bad
Depends what you are watching on, tho maybe they aren’t actually the release graphics idk
@@matt.2708 I was watching in 1080p
@@CRoffey oh haha I guess we have our answer 😂
You remind me of my friend who always crys his cars are slower but its just obvious his exit speed is just horrible because he went in too fast so i come out of the turn and just blow by him in slower cars. I promise making your car lighter is not something you should be worrying about right now.
The handling looks great. Forza Horizons handling has gotten worse since Fh3. In fh5 the cars slide all over the place!
that sounds more like a skill issue than a handling issue
you just suck
@@FiatUno2003 nah, that's 100% skill. I just recently booted up my old ass pc from 2015, went back into fh3, and realissed that the cars have more weight transfere, but they slide less.
@@v.s.727it's literally skill issue. Fh5 cars are insanely easy to drive, even stupid power builds like a 1900hp Hennessy in s1 class are easy to manage around turns
@@XxWarmancxXIf you don't use tc nor esc Fh3 has a bigger range, where the car is slipping but not going sideways, whilest on fh5 the car grips or it goes sideways. I dont use traction control, so rwd powerbuilds aren't really controlable at all. I prefer rwd cars with up to 600hp for drivability and in fh3 they just feel more planted.
Btw plack pantha told the same, when he recently went back to older fh games.
This guy should focus on learning to drive faster instead of relying on modifications.
Do agree that leveling up every individual car is a pain in the ass. Maybe just level up the driver then have races rely on BOP.
Here for all the crybabies that don’t want to put actual effort in a game to unlock stuff
Level 40 to do an engine swap in ONE car is wild
Exactly 😂. Having everything handed to you day 1 is bad. And will make the game die off faster 🤷🏽. People would get bored.
@@SeventhCircle77 that just means not everyone will have it engine swaps are op
I like the actual feeling of progress like fm4
But the money now is a bit pointless only for buying new cars but mostly tuned cars in forza are faster then stock cars
New Cars In The Game Back From The Delisted Games, Challenger SRT8 392, Dart GT 2013, Stealth Turbo, And More.
If you drove like that irl, you’d total the s209 because you’re not replacing panels that easy
Start by earning less credits and work your way up to earning more racing faster cars. This leveling up for parts is really dumb if you ask me.
This New Upgrade System has Actually Put Me Off Buying This Game
Ah Well Hopefully FH6 is Better
Should've chosen an FR ( Mustang here) cuz AWD simply does a lot of understeer and the system itself is very heavy
Honestly i think this game is supposed to be a pace game. build your car up from nothing and make it better, improve results, etc.
I would get it when it comes out but i need more storage on my xbox
The graphics look great. (This is coming from someone who's only played FH1,FH2 and FM4 on the Xbox 360).
Nice to see after 6 years we still have the same shitty ai with the top 3 disappearing into ths distance, but at least its built from the ground up!