Honestly, two things keep sticking out to me. 1) Using mental health as a shield against criticism. 2) Staying in character for the apology. That just reeks of narcissism and disingenuousness.
The man decided to hurry and book a train ticket to bucking palace to lift weights without a top on when the queen dies as he knew the world was watching.. He's a disrespectful idiot.
@@thatguitarguyguy that’s how you read my comment? To be even clearer, I care about mental health. The rest of my thoughts and feelings stem from that. Have a good one bro.
I don’t understand how so many people are willing to give him a pass just because he finally admitted to his lies, & because they don’t see through the very transparent way he’s now using mental health issues as a cover excuse to justify why he lied. The foundation of everything he is is built on lies, and he’s profited greatly off the backs of teenage boys and beginners who didn’t know any better.
I am giving him some slack because: 1. I did not believe for a single fraction of second he was natty. 2. Steroids are controlled substances and admitting use can have legal consequences. 3. Steroids should have been legalized entirely and current laws are stupid.
@@noradlark167 the problem is the bullshit he sells not the natty part. It's like those Christian godmen who take money from the poor in the name of god only to fly around in private jets. It's the exploitation that is the problem. He sells lies. None of his ancestral bullshit is anything new. Also how can you preach primal shit like he does all the while using modern technology for everything. He's basically a hypocrite. A charlatan and a zealot. That's the reason he deserves to be cut no slack.
Honestly the fact that even his apology is trying to save face by using mental health as an excuse is disgusting. He could have been something special, a heart-warming origin story with his kids, a unique take on living day to day, and a charismatic personality. But no, it wasn't enough, he wanted money and fame and sure he might have had some good ideas and really does believe in this way of living but theirs nothing primal about lying and taking advantage of your fanbase.
yeah, we could rather go with "awww, everyone is special, everyone is a super person and so on. Reality isn't like that. If there is no shame, people won't realise that they thought was dumb. Same with body (over) positivity. NO, you are not fine when overweight. Physically not fine, doesn't matter if your feeling "good" yourself. Dunno why nobody today can actually take critics without crying and putting themselves into the victim position.
@@thatguitarguyguy the fact that I have to spell out blatantly lying to your followers about PED use while peddling products solely based upon your physique which is unnaturally attainable while profiting off of a disingenuous lifestyle to you represents the core of what is wrong with the fitness industry is pretty alarming.
@@deebo9981 it’s his body. Why does he need to say he’s on gear. That’s none of your concern. He never said if you eat liver you’ll look like him. Liver is healthy and he mentions that. Never says it makes you a juicy meat head
That ending was a slap in the face of the corrupted 90% of the fitness industry that relies on lies to make money. You are the man, Josh. As always, looking forward to your next upload.
It’s not just the fitness industry. It’s the financial industry. It’s the media industry is everything everything is fake. That’s on TH-cam or Instagram.
He did not “see the decline of society’s mental and physical health of humanity” and make Liver King to help. He saw a gimmick to make a lot of money, he literally laid it out in his leaked emails that he wanted to go viral. The opening of this video sounds like somebody who drank the “I did it to stop suicides” apology video cool-aid 😂
His "ancestral tenets" could possibly have had general wellness, which can include mental health, in mind. But he never spoke overtly about it and his goals were clearly not to promote mental wellness and help people. What a total ass.
"I did it for the sad and suicidal people", said the guy who built a profitable brand on their back, selling snakeoil supplements, while portraying unrealistic goals and further fueling their downward spiral. I don't care for his personal pursiut of fame and glory but I'd love to have him tell his shitty apology to each and every one of the people he betrayed - or the friends and family they left behind.
Snakeoil? By that logic creatine and multivitamins are snakeoil. You may not like the guy but what there was nothing wrong Heart and Soil, it's not even run by the Liver King, and it's real founder advocates using supplements over real organs.
The food industry has been lying for years with colorful packaging and sensational wording to get the consumer to purchase their products. Next thing you know you're a fat slob and wonder how it happened.
@@thatguitarguyguy bro there was an example in the vid, don't have the time stamp but where he was saying if you want your best life, money, your queen you need to fuel your goals.. with my supplements.. Im paraphrasing a bit but yeah he implies it all the time that offal and his sups are the key to life upgraded
The guy at 10:38 cracks me up. I just can’t….we went full circle. 20 years ago parents warned kids not to believe everything they see on the internet, now we have to warn grown , adult men not to believe everything they see on the internet. And the worst is- these people come and go , I think we see some fitness influencer get caught lying every month or so and audience still believe next fake, overly theatrical, generic Instagram star with next shtick
People are likelier to believe in something if they want to believe. It's like religion and all the crazy mental gymnastics religious people people pull in order to reconcile reality with their beliefs. People like the Liver King exploit this human flaw
He said he'd stop, there's an interview on some other YT channel where he explicitly says he'll stop the steroids. Of course during that interview he's still plugging the character and peddling his products and it's not likely that he'll be as careless with his emails again so whether or not anyone should trust what he says is a different matter entirely. If I were in his shoes I'd lay off the steroids for a while, and then slowly build them up as again to return to his current physique and then claim that he could've done it natty all along, because "look, I got caught and quit, you saw me shrink!" and that his supplements and tenets really work. But I'm not in his shoes, and I'm never going to be, because I'd make myself sick from disgust. Also I am not sure he wears shoes.
Yeah, I read what PANDAS is all about. You don't LOSE a child to ADHD, or mood disorders, etc. It's NOT life threatening. When I FIRST saw the Liver King. I felt like I wanted to reach through the screen and drag him out by his dirty beard. I'm a male in my 30s, who was one of the first children to have their own Gateway computer. I have been online since 1993. It has helped me develop a strong sense of media literacy. I saw RIGHT THROUGH HIM. As did millions of others. I am finally glad this guy took a big hit of reality.
I think the most tragic part of that story is that the liver prince is not actually falling, it's simply a minor setback. And that setback of being called a liar is not based on the lies about alpha-ness, being primal, eating raw meat and entrails as being healthy, calling unmuscular, self-knowing, non-hyper-agressive and non-womanizer men "subprimal", annoying people in public to make face, nonchalantly promoting suplements that do not work... etc. The only thing he is made to answer for is simply using steroids... when he said he didn't use it before... The vast majority of men did not get the memo about what are the lies yet...
Step 1: Become a juiced freak in order to sell BS supplements. Step 2: Get caught. Step 3: Release the classic "I want to apologize, because I got caught" video.
And proceed to make huge profits with sob stories of how he was forced to lie and it's not really his fault. Maybe sell a book too!!! Heck a movie, why not... about how he overcomes his disability of being a pathological liar.
I’m fairly old for weightlifting (48) and fairly new at it (about a year and a half), and it’s pretty clear that people like “The Liver King” cannot possibly be natural. Even with good genetics, there’s a limit on how much muscle you’re going to build.
I just can't wrap my head around ppl thinking this dude was natural. Like how was this even an argument. And how is his entire brand not banned on TH-cam? It's extremely damaging to beginners to think they can achieve this physique naturally.
When I was in long term drug rehab I was around all kinds of characters that had mouthpieces on them, rambling rambling on about how much they know and how much progress they were going to make etc etc. they were the first ones to relapse or break the rules, which would invariably end up in their demise, getting kicked out or dying. Anyone who has so much to say, just rubs me the wrong way and the fact that millions of people bit, just bewilders me.
Like our ancestors were a geng of body building happy dudes. They were skinny dudes struggling to survive with an average life span of 35 years. I'm not sure if they didn't suffer from mental illness sometimes as their lives were filled with absolute drama
I believe the Romans at one point had a law that required the sellers of slaves to tell the potential buyers if a particular slave was attacked by a bear, lion, etc. I cant remember where exactly I heard it from, but the idea they were trying to explain is that even ancient people had an understanding of "mental illness" (such as PTSD from getting attacked by a bear). Edit: I also agree with your point about skinny guys being the norm, since most people in history werent well-fed.
When humans lived in tribal based communities it was a very tough life but depression was actually likely lower than it was today. It’s been proven that many of the modern comforts of life do actually lead to increased depression despite life seeming easier than it once was
I'm gonna step aside from the Liver King and acknowledge that this editing is incredible! As someone starting to learn this kind of stuff, this is a great video to reference what amazing editing can look like. Props!
Our ancestors were hunter-GATHERERS, not just hunter-carnivores. Like big predators, our ancestors often had 2 or three meat free days in every week simply because hunting was hard. Sometimes after endurance-running after the injured bleeding-out prey, they would find that a pack of wolves or pride of big cats had already scavenged their kill. But unlike pure predators, our omnivorous ancestors had tubers and roots to fall back on.
he is now the liar king, and an example how dishonest marketing practices have impacted our lives.I watched a few minutes of a video of his and knew he was on peds and his diet was shit.
This was a great, fascinating, and concise look at the situation around the liver king. I don't agree about your closing argument regarding his success being possible without the lie. I think he could have been considered successful on some scale but he was trying to go for something higher, influential, and affluent. When you made the argument between him being a zealot or a charlatan, I have to lean toward charlet. He hucked his products. Zealots aim for power, and charlatans aim for power or prestige.
Great video again. While I didn’t really know who the liver king was before this revelation, it really sounds like the “liver king Experiment” is still happening. He even said good or bad publicity is good. I would not be surprised if we find out that this revelation was all staged and that the emails were never leaked out. People unfortunately will still pay $$ for his products. It’s sad that he has to continue with the façade of being a character instead of just being his true natural self. Be yourself and remember to always ask questions and don’t get sucked into the influencers world. We all want to belong to something, just make sure it’s the right group.
As always, thanks for not just riding a controversy for the views and doing a 30 second video or shorts. Thanks for taking the time and effort to bring us details that we wouldn't have found otherwise.
"When you have a problem, the common response is to take a drug" Irony has a way of striking you from the back that never ceases to amaze me!! Not to mention that 100% cacao chocolate and raw honey *are* part of ancestral diets. Do people believe our ancestor didn't ate berries, leaves, fruits...?! This is literal madness. This man was already a millionaire. Now he ruined his entire life and health forever and shortened his lifespan by the very least a full decade. Then he's like, "I did this to save people from suicide!" he NEVER mentioned suicide once before this, right? He is in serious need of mental help.
@@thatguitarguyguy because he's lying about his steroid use and we have the right to think of him as a scumbag. I eat liver, organs, and all that stuff. I don't however, take steroids or approve of liver king being a good role model to anyone.
@@Devils.harp.player so you’re mad because he didn’t share that he’s taking an illegal substance? I don’t understand. That’s none of your concern. Help me understand
@@thatguitarguyguy he claimed his natural lifestyle and, more importantly, the supplements that he way selling could help other people achieve his physique. By not disclosing his PED usage, he lied when he marketed the products he was selling as something that could get you shredded or more healthy. This is a scam, and he's a conman. He wanted to make money on desparate people who would spend hundreds of dollars to reach his physique, when in reality he himself used PEDs to reach it.
Woohoo! He made another video! I just want to say that every single one you've have put out so far is amazing. Thank for for all of your contributions to the TH-cam fitness world. I'm sure you will do well. Thank you
the problem with fitness industry now is that its not about fitness any more…its about being bigger being better looking making others compare , it is just keeping you in some kind of competition…
Yeah I think the biggest problem with liver king isn’t that he lied about being on steroids, it’s the idea that someone who looked like him should be considered healthy. Even without steroids, a body that works out 3-4 hours a day and is at 5% body fat (which is what is necessary for most people to just have visible abdominal muscles) is not a healthy body.
That’s what I’m trying to figure out. He is literally redder than a lobster - a CLEAR indication of either high blood pressure or elevated RBC count - well known side effect of androgens
If Liver King truly wanted to live ancestral life he would be a slim runner, not an enhanced lifter. Real hunter gatherers chase antilopes with spears for tens of kilometers, you don't need to lift hundreds of kilos but you need to have a very high endurance
Women are evolved to prefer bigger men. He shouldn't be a slim runner, he should be a built runner. Like Paul Saladino. YOU DO need to lift, there's a reason it increases testosterone.
@@kathleensolomon9041 Not true. Everyone died in childhood. Those that lived survives into their 60's or later generally. If we all died immediately humans would not have become dominant. Please don't spread misinformed myths.
@@gumlus1257 lol, just look at photos of bushmen or gottentots - the real people who follow their ancient tenants. Being built runner is good but for short distances, when you are hunting the prey the "traditional" way, you need to cover tens of kilometers. In this conditions excessive muscle mass becomes a liability, not to mention that you need a lot of calories to maintain it and this can be an issue if you live in a wild. And yeah, if you look at any video where random women are being asked about favorite body type, they prefer a calisthenics athletic but slim one rather than bodybuilder's.
@@f-man3274 "Six pack or dad bod" nearly every woman wants "dad bod". There's no reason not to be big but you shouldn't be fat. Some Hadza are pretty well built, others slimmer. They look like that since they only can get so much food per location, low body fat from always burning it.
There are tons of problems that the Liver King had created, firstly is that he creates an unrealistic expectation that you can only feel better and not suffer from depression by living his lifestyle. When you’re less than 10% body fat aka very lean, it can actually cause depression and this creates even less self-esteem because people wanted to look like the Liver King. There are other problems too but these were the fitness focused ones
I hate to "blame the victims," but I almost get angrier at people who fell for his grift than the actual grifter himself, the liver king. The unfortunate thing about the liver king is that he had incredible genetics. You can tell from his younger days. The irony is that he would've achieved a physique most people cound't while even on performance enhancing drugs. He would have just been 30 or so pounds smaller.
I've been lifting for nearly 20 years now. And I'll tell all you beginners right now who wants to look like Thor or Wolverine. You can either be big or you can be ripped. You cannot achieve both naturally.
I'll give 3 examples. Brad Pitt in Fight Club. Very lean with little muscle mass. Daniel Craig in Casino Royale. More muscle mass but no visible six pack. Gerard Butler in 300. Vey big. Very ripped. Veins sticking out of every part of his body. You can achieve the first 2 naturally. The 3rd? HELL NO !!🤣 @@kramarancko1107
The guy did so many things right but the one thing you cant do wrong. He did. Your word means everything above your marketing. Alot of lessons learned here.
Yo anyone who knew literally anything about fitness, you could tell the dude wasn’t natty. Yet, this just goes to show how many people do not know about that stuff
I don’t hate this guy. He’s no different than any other supplements company who’s been doing the same shtick for 20 years. They all have juiced to the gills models for their pre workouts test boaster or other supplements. Same with YT “trainers” who are all on gear but if you do MY workouts you’ll look like me. People are dumb and there will be another liver king in a few months a
Very well made mini-documentary on a subject that is of great importance today: the mass-marketing of over-simplified and in many cases completely fraudulent lifestyle visions. Why anyone would want to follow the Liver King's objectives is beyond me, but in a world of aimlessness coupled with info bombardment, it shouldn't really be surprising that people look for a quick fix. Good work! (One tiny error: at 12:36, the word "pursuit" is misspelled.)
Honestly, I'm capped out on content about this caricature. Even when it's as well made as Josh makes his videos. People who believed him are beyond salvaging.
Honestly the only place I ever heard of "Liver King" is on on Derek, Joe, Greg or a few other channels talking about steroids. I never even stumbled onto Liver Kings channel once while searching for fitness videos.
I've always thought that he was an obnoxious person. But when you begin to realize that he was profiting off of teenage boys' and mens' insecurities about their bodies, it becomes even more insidious.
The fact that so many people took him seriously really underscores the problem of fatherlessness among boys in America. It's the only explanation I can fathom.
I"m 58 I'm 5'10" and I weigh 133#. Doctor says my numbers are better than some 30 year olds he sees. I eat two meals a day. I'm extremely active and fit and lean. I eat a fair amount of beef and I drink some milk. My diet is about 50% animal products. I eat pretty much the same amount of nutrition and calories I need per day. You don't need 2000 calories especially if you're lying around all day. I work all day and I get away with maybe 1400 calories. YMMV based on your body weight and your metabolism. Testosterone levels are largely genetic but also diet related.
For a short moment, you showed Mike Chang there (yea I know he was juiced up). Let me tell you this: he made me a better teen and a solid adult, he's charisma rub onto me soo much. My shoulders are still big years after not training, bigger than anybody I've seen in real life. And I haven't even buy 1 supplement in my life.
no one looks like that without using steroids that much is clear.. i believe he sent out a positive message and if he just never denied the use of steroids to the first person who asked him no one would have made a big deal of it from thereon, maybe he would not have as many followers maybe but his diet is surely unique enough to make him stand out..
We want to hate this guy, but he is just a reflection of the worst of humanity and social media platforms. We need to address the route cause so these sociopathic narcissists can't have a soapbox to stand on.
Hampton is positively wonderful, an absolute Pomeranian, a ball of sunshine in the fitness community Would hate to ever see some sort of exposé on him, but so far so good
What irks me most about his "apology" is that he says he wanted to help young men with depression and feeling lost. But he is part of the reason why many feel depressed and lost. They way he sets unrealistic standards for what's achieveable by working on yourself is what drives many people to give up on their gym pursuits. He is literally part of the problem, not the solution and now that he's caught he's trying to absolve himself of any wrong doing by bringing attention to a serious issue that he clearly cares nothing about. If he actually wanted to help people, there would have been nothing stopping him from putting his message out while being natural. But he didn't want that. He wanted to stroke his own ego and make as much money as possible. Anyone still following him earnestly is willfully ignorant. He should have never been given a pass for what he did.
I'm surprised a class action lawsuit hasn't popped up since his "confession." He promoted unrealistic results through a lifestyle and selling supplements that were unatainable.
Suing him would be silly. Yeah, he lied and he's full of himself. But suing someone for lying is childish. Just call him out for it and don't support him.
And if anyone questioned him, there would always be a fan base of people that would get really aggressive over defending him. You've got to be a real piece of shit if you're going to try and belittle people for calling you out on an obvious lie. Then again, these kinds of people never change.
Liverking decided to book a ticket to buckingham palace when the queens funeral was happening so that he could lift weights outside the palace without a top on, just to gain attention as the world was watching. regardless of what people say, I think that's very disrespectful.
Anyone and everyone in addiction recovery knows how to own our mistakes. This ain’t how. Your admission shouldn’t be accompanied by caveats and excuses. He once referred to us suffering from depression anxiety and thoughts of suicide as “pussies” before he threw us under the bus at his first convenience. He’s trying to sell this like there was no forced intervention. He wants everyone to believe he’s just AUTOMAGICALLY embraced recovery. His hand was forced. Those of us in recovery know who relapses…often. You can’t make another person love themselves. The only person that can change the addict’s mind is the addict themselves. Those who do actually get clean/sober and make changes on their own volition generally succeed. This is why I have little faith in Brian Johnson’s claims of being happy about being called out on his lie due to his reaction, and how he’s toes the company’s brand since. I don’t care about his 9 tenets or “core message.” I’m interested in what this self proclaimed example-to-be-followed does now. What message does his actions send? 🤷🏻♂️ This dude is obviously addicted to working out. I was a heroin addict for 15 years. I too know it’s like to get my self esteem from a syringe. I know exactly what I see, and I won’t enable this insanity. That man is an addict. I hope he learns to love himself and what he sees in the mirror. It’s PAINFULLY obvious that he suffers from issues of self worth.
Its surprise to no one that he uses steroids. What is crazy on this story is people sharing confidential medical information on the internet without the consent of the patient. Regardless of what Liver Kind is doing, two wrongs don't make one right. People showing his bloodwork and medical records should be sued.
Good messaging or not, this is a classic case of someone who had a clear plan to rise to fame & fortune by doing something new, absurd, & extreme, because that’s the mindless content that people seem to flock to instead of actual honest high quality content.
You know, any idiot can lie and double down on it when called out. Lying is such an easy way out in life, people understimate how much you can get away by just lying through your teeth and NEVER admit to being wrong. I learned to give much more respect to people who are courageous enough to swallow their pride and actually take responsibility for their mistakes. It sounds simple, but this is something a very small minorty of people have the guts and the confidence in themselves to do. It is not the case of the Brian, his attitude here is akin to a kid. Dude can brag about being the epitome of masculinity but it became clear as day that mentally he is a little boy, a weak and insecure kid in all but appearance. Never judge people by what they say, only judge people by what they do.
let's all take a moment of silence for all those people who actually believed he was natural.
😞
I still believe he is
They should be silent because they are idiots and their voices shouldn’t be heard
Its always the ones you least suspect
Good thing Mike O'Hearn is still the NATTY 🐐
Honestly, two things keep sticking out to me.
1) Using mental health as a shield against criticism.
2) Staying in character for the apology.
That just reeks of narcissism and disingenuousness.
The man decided to hurry and book a train ticket to bucking palace to lift weights without a top on when the queen dies as he knew the world was watching.. He's a disrespectful idiot.
He also reeks……literally, he doesn’t shower or wipe
Why do you care what he does with his body?
@@thatguitarguyguy that’s how you read my comment? To be even clearer, I care about mental health. The rest of my thoughts and feelings stem from that. Have a good one bro.
@@thatguitarguyguy 🤡
I don’t understand how so many people are willing to give him a pass just because he finally admitted to his lies, & because they don’t see through the very transparent way he’s now using mental health issues as a cover excuse to justify why he lied. The foundation of everything he is is built on lies, and he’s profited greatly off the backs of teenage boys and beginners who didn’t know any better.
How so?
Also, as a side effect, some people will probably start taking steroids because of him.
This 100%
I am giving him some slack because:
1. I did not believe for a single fraction of second he was natty.
2. Steroids are controlled substances and admitting use can have legal consequences.
3. Steroids should have been legalized entirely and current laws are stupid.
@@noradlark167 the problem is the bullshit he sells not the natty part. It's like those Christian godmen who take money from the poor in the name of god only to fly around in private jets. It's the exploitation that is the problem. He sells lies. None of his ancestral bullshit is anything new. Also how can you preach primal shit like he does all the while using modern technology for everything. He's basically a hypocrite. A charlatan and a zealot. That's the reason he deserves to be cut no slack.
Honestly the fact that even his apology is trying to save face by using mental health as an excuse is disgusting. He could have been something special, a heart-warming origin story with his kids, a unique take on living day to day, and a charismatic personality. But no, it wasn't enough, he wanted money and fame and sure he might have had some good ideas and really does believe in this way of living but theirs nothing primal about lying and taking advantage of your fanbase.
Amen to this. I found his apology to be empty and even disgusting for that exact reason.
Agreed, I was totally repulsed by him hiding behind this.
Also bragging about being rich right at the beginning of his apology. He’s a complete narcissist.
He already had money. Lots. This whole steroid reveal was planned. You're playing his game dawg.
@@tacticalchunder1207 Everybody is accusing him of doing it for the money. How would you have explained that you already have money?
Whats really awkward is the shaming of all the people who dared to ask if liver king was natural
Who did the shaming?
@@thatguitarguyguy are you a bot or something?
@@Themarios1 point?
@@thatguitarguyguy he means people who believe that are retarded.
yeah, we could rather go with "awww, everyone is special, everyone is a super person and so on. Reality isn't like that. If there is no shame, people won't realise that they thought was dumb. Same with body (over) positivity. NO, you are not fine when overweight. Physically not fine, doesn't matter if your feeling "good" yourself.
Dunno why nobody today can actually take critics without crying and putting themselves into the victim position.
The “Liver King” represents everything wrong with the fitness industry.
How so?
@@thatguitarguyguy you’re not serious right..?
@@deebo9981 explain? You people don’t even know what you’re mad about lol
Indulge me
@@thatguitarguyguy the fact that I have to spell out blatantly lying to your followers about PED use while peddling products solely based upon your physique which is unnaturally attainable while profiting off of a disingenuous lifestyle to you represents the core of what is wrong with the fitness industry is pretty alarming.
@@deebo9981 it’s his body. Why does he need to say he’s on gear. That’s none of your concern. He never said if you eat liver you’ll look like him. Liver is healthy and he mentions that. Never says it makes you a juicy meat head
That ending was a slap in the face of the corrupted 90% of the fitness industry that relies on lies to make money. You are the man, Josh. As always, looking forward to your next upload.
It’s not just the fitness industry. It’s the financial industry. It’s the media industry is everything everything is fake. That’s on TH-cam or Instagram.
I think the bigger tragedy here is that Josh Brett, who has made nothing but absolutely top notch videos since his first, still only has 267k subs.
Lies sell better than truth.
People prefer the fake not real
He deserves millions but 267k is still a great number :)
Just like doing it naturally, he’ll get a slow but much better quality following.
He did not “see the decline of society’s mental and physical health of humanity” and make Liver King to help. He saw a gimmick to make a lot of money, he literally laid it out in his leaked emails that he wanted to go viral. The opening of this video sounds like somebody who drank the “I did it to stop suicides” apology video cool-aid 😂
His "ancestral tenets" could possibly have had general wellness, which can include mental health, in mind. But he never spoke overtly about it and his goals were clearly not to promote mental wellness and help people. What a total ass.
Of course. Involving a social media marketing team from the beginning should make that very clear to anyone interested in the truth.
Stop suicides and get rich, not necessarily in that order lol...
"I did it for the sad and suicidal people", said the guy who built a profitable brand on their back, selling snakeoil supplements, while portraying unrealistic goals and further fueling their downward spiral. I don't care for his personal pursiut of fame and glory but I'd love to have him tell his shitty apology to each and every one of the people he betrayed - or the friends and family they left behind.
Snakeoil? By that logic creatine and multivitamins are snakeoil. You may not like the guy but what there was nothing wrong Heart and Soil, it's not even run by the Liver King, and it's real founder advocates using supplements over real organs.
Never seen your channel before, but damn this was well put together, brother. Good work.
Young man too! Agree Tom.
I'm surprised that there isn't a class action lawsuit against him from those who bought his supplements.
They are all too dumb to work out how to do it
The food industry has been lying for years with colorful packaging and sensational wording to get the consumer to purchase their products. Next thing you know you're a fat slob and wonder how it happened.
Show me where he said if you take my supplement, you’ll look like me. I’ll wait here
@@thatguitarguyguy bro there was an example in the vid, don't have the time stamp but where he was saying if you want your best life, money, your queen you need to fuel your goals.. with my supplements..
Im paraphrasing a bit but yeah he implies it all the time that offal and his sups are the key to life upgraded
@@DrCheeks that’s not what he says though. That’s my point. An “implication” doesn’t hold weight in court
The guy at 10:38 cracks me up. I just can’t….we went full circle. 20 years ago parents warned kids not to believe everything they see on the internet, now we have to warn grown , adult men not to believe everything they see on the internet. And the worst is- these people come and go , I think we see some fitness influencer get caught lying every month or so and audience still believe next fake, overly theatrical, generic Instagram star with next shtick
People are likelier to believe in something if they want to believe. It's like religion and all the crazy mental gymnastics religious people people pull in order to reconcile reality with their beliefs. People like the Liver King exploit this human flaw
That's Coach Duggs from Barstool. The video was joke.
You realize that is a joke video? What was it you were saying about warnings and grown adults believing everything they see?
@@bartonsnyder2154but you can believe there are a LOT of humans like that.
Him admitting that he's not natty is like a Canadian admitting he's Canadian
Merry belated Christmas sir! Did Liver King ever say he'd stop doing PEDs? I think his gimmick has reached room temperature. Great video!
He said he'd stop, there's an interview on some other YT channel where he explicitly says he'll stop the steroids. Of course during that interview he's still plugging the character and peddling his products and it's not likely that he'll be as careless with his emails again so whether or not anyone should trust what he says is a different matter entirely.
If I were in his shoes I'd lay off the steroids for a while, and then slowly build them up as again to return to his current physique and then claim that he could've done it natty all along, because "look, I got caught and quit, you saw me shrink!" and that his supplements and tenets really work. But I'm not in his shoes, and I'm never going to be, because I'd make myself sick from disgust. Also I am not sure he wears shoes.
@@Melesniannon Shoes are definitely sub prime, along with his credibility.
Yeah, I read what PANDAS is all about. You don't LOSE a child to ADHD, or mood disorders, etc. It's NOT life threatening. When I FIRST saw the Liver King. I felt like I wanted to reach through the screen and drag him out by his dirty beard. I'm a male in my 30s, who was one of the first children to have their own Gateway computer. I have been online since 1993. It has helped me develop a strong sense of media literacy. I saw RIGHT THROUGH HIM. As did millions of others. I am finally glad this guy took a big hit of reality.
I think the most tragic part of that story is that the liver prince is not actually falling, it's simply a minor setback. And that setback of being called a liar is not based on the lies about alpha-ness, being primal, eating raw meat and entrails as being healthy, calling unmuscular, self-knowing, non-hyper-agressive and non-womanizer men "subprimal", annoying people in public to make face, nonchalantly promoting suplements that do not work... etc. The only thing he is made to answer for is simply using steroids... when he said he didn't use it before...
The vast majority of men did not get the memo about what are the lies yet...
Step 1: Become a juiced freak in order to sell BS supplements.
Step 2: Get caught.
Step 3: Release the classic "I want to apologize, because I got caught" video.
And proceed to make huge profits with sob stories of how he was forced to lie and it's not really his fault.
Maybe sell a book too!!! Heck a movie, why not... about how he overcomes his disability of being a pathological liar.
I’m fairly old for weightlifting (48) and fairly new at it (about a year and a half), and it’s pretty clear that people like “The Liver King” cannot possibly be natural. Even with good genetics, there’s a limit on how much muscle you’re going to build.
I just can't wrap my head around ppl thinking this dude was natural. Like how was this even an argument. And how is his entire brand not banned on TH-cam? It's extremely damaging to beginners to think they can achieve this physique naturally.
When I was in long term drug rehab I was around all kinds of characters that had mouthpieces on them, rambling rambling on about how much they know and how much progress they were going to make etc etc.
they were the first ones to relapse or break the rules, which would invariably end up in their demise, getting kicked out or dying.
Anyone who has so much to say, just rubs me the wrong way and the fact that millions of people bit, just bewilders me.
After watching politics since 2015 nothing shocks me anymore, not even the fact that it is and will get worse.
Like our ancestors were a geng of body building happy dudes. They were skinny dudes struggling to survive with an average life span of 35 years. I'm not sure if they didn't suffer from mental illness sometimes as their lives were filled with absolute drama
I believe the Romans at one point had a law that required the sellers of slaves to tell the potential buyers if a particular slave was attacked by a bear, lion, etc. I cant remember where exactly I heard it from, but the idea they were trying to explain is that even ancient people had an understanding of "mental illness" (such as PTSD from getting attacked by a bear).
Edit: I also agree with your point about skinny guys being the norm, since most people in history werent well-fed.
@@pinesandtraplinesyeah for the majority of human history extreme poverty was the norm everywhere
When humans lived in tribal based communities it was a very tough life but depression was actually likely lower than it was today. It’s been proven that many of the modern comforts of life do actually lead to increased depression despite life seeming easier than it once was
our professor used to say "what grows fast, dies fast" i can see this pattern often...
I'm gonna step aside from the Liver King and acknowledge that this editing is incredible! As someone starting to learn this kind of stuff, this is a great video to reference what amazing editing can look like. Props!
the real crime here is the audio on his apology video
im crying
How is every video this dude makes an absolute masterpiece
Our ancestors were hunter-GATHERERS, not just hunter-carnivores. Like big predators, our ancestors often had 2 or three meat free days in every week simply because hunting was hard. Sometimes after endurance-running after the injured bleeding-out prey, they would find that a pack of wolves or pride of big cats had already scavenged their kill. But unlike pure predators, our omnivorous ancestors had tubers and roots to fall back on.
He still is the Liver King…. You can’t tell me his liver isn’t the king at processing those steroids?
he is now the liar king, and an example how dishonest marketing practices have impacted our lives.I watched a few minutes of a video of his and knew he was on peds and his diet was shit.
This was a great, fascinating, and concise look at the situation around the liver king. I don't agree about your closing argument regarding his success being possible without the lie. I think he could have been considered successful on some scale but he was trying to go for something higher, influential, and affluent. When you made the argument between him being a zealot or a charlatan, I have to lean toward charlet. He hucked his products. Zealots aim for power, and charlatans aim for power or prestige.
Can I just say how well done the editing was for this video, ikt is insane. Well done Josh!
Great video again. While I didn’t really know who the liver king was before this revelation, it really sounds like the “liver king Experiment” is still happening. He even said good or bad publicity is good. I would not be surprised if we find out that this revelation was all staged and that the emails were never leaked out. People unfortunately will still pay $$ for his products. It’s sad that he has to continue with the façade of being a character instead of just being his true natural self. Be yourself and remember to always ask questions and don’t get sucked into the influencers world. We all want to belong to something, just make sure it’s the right group.
As always, thanks for not just riding a controversy for the views and doing a 30 second video or shorts. Thanks for taking the time and effort to bring us details that we wouldn't have found otherwise.
"When you have a problem, the common response is to take a drug"
Irony has a way of striking you from the back that never ceases to amaze me!! Not to mention that 100% cacao chocolate and raw honey *are* part of ancestral diets. Do people believe our ancestor didn't ate berries, leaves, fruits...?! This is literal madness. This man was already a millionaire. Now he ruined his entire life and health forever and shortened his lifespan by the very least a full decade. Then he's like, "I did this to save people from suicide!" he NEVER mentioned suicide once before this, right? He is in serious need of mental help.
Amazing video. Hope it pics up latter. Very hard to get views right after the holidays.
Why do you care that he’s on steroids? It’s his body. You especially should not care
@@thatguitarguyguy because he's lying about his steroid use and we have the right to think of him as a scumbag. I eat liver, organs, and all that stuff. I don't however, take steroids or approve of liver king being a good role model to anyone.
@@Devils.harp.player so you’re mad because he didn’t share that he’s taking an illegal substance? I don’t understand. That’s none of your concern. Help me understand
@@thatguitarguyguy I'm more annoyed than mad lol. I just think he got what was coming to him and he's suckering unsuspecting people.
@@thatguitarguyguy he claimed his natural lifestyle and, more importantly, the supplements that he way selling could help other people achieve his physique. By not disclosing his PED usage, he lied when he marketed the products he was selling as something that could get you shredded or more healthy. This is a scam, and he's a conman. He wanted to make money on desparate people who would spend hundreds of dollars to reach his physique, when in reality he himself used PEDs to reach it.
Dude I just hope you don’t get burnt out and stop posting this is actually the most entertaining thing ever
Woohoo! He made another video! I just want to say that every single one you've have put out so far is amazing. Thank for for all of your contributions to the TH-cam fitness world. I'm sure you will do well. Thank you
The 🐐 Josh Brett returns! Always an immediate watch whenever you upload!!
The most underrated youtuber on the planet.
the problem with fitness industry now is that its not about fitness any more…its about being bigger being better looking making others compare ,
it is just keeping you in some kind of competition…
Yeah I think the biggest problem with liver king isn’t that he lied about being on steroids, it’s the idea that someone who looked like him should be considered healthy.
Even without steroids, a body that works out 3-4 hours a day and is at 5% body fat (which is what is necessary for most people to just have visible abdominal muscles) is not a healthy body.
Who the hell believed he was natural?! At his age and how ripped he was...no freaking way. Probably the same people who believe O'hearn is natty! Haha
That’s what I’m trying to figure out. He is literally redder than a lobster - a CLEAR indication of either high blood pressure or elevated RBC count - well known side effect of androgens
@@dabofiron.itzsimplicity He looks so red under his tan, you expect him to turn blue any minute now...
I remember hearing in the internet that his response was the classic "I'm sorry I got rich and then got caught".
The only liver king reaction video that was worth the time. Thank you for making it
The fact that anybody took this clown seriously and there's people who had to make videos (even this one) to call him out is absolutely baffling.
There’s a sucker born every minute.
If Liver King truly wanted to live ancestral life he would be a slim runner, not an enhanced lifter. Real hunter gatherers chase antilopes with spears for tens of kilometers, you don't need to lift hundreds of kilos but you need to have a very high endurance
They also died in their twenties - if they even made it through childhood.
Women are evolved to prefer bigger men. He shouldn't be a slim runner, he should be a built runner. Like Paul Saladino. YOU DO need to lift, there's a reason it increases testosterone.
@@kathleensolomon9041 Not true. Everyone died in childhood. Those that lived survives into their 60's or later generally. If we all died immediately humans would not have become dominant. Please don't spread misinformed myths.
@@gumlus1257 lol, just look at photos of bushmen or gottentots - the real people who follow their ancient tenants. Being built runner is good but for short distances, when you are hunting the prey the "traditional" way, you need to cover tens of kilometers. In this conditions excessive muscle mass becomes a liability, not to mention that you need a lot of calories to maintain it and this can be an issue if you live in a wild.
And yeah, if you look at any video where random women are being asked about favorite body type, they prefer a calisthenics athletic but slim one rather than bodybuilder's.
@@f-man3274 "Six pack or dad bod" nearly every woman wants "dad bod". There's no reason not to be big but you shouldn't be fat.
Some Hadza are pretty well built, others slimmer. They look like that since they only can get so much food per location, low body fat from always burning it.
There are tons of problems that the Liver King had created, firstly is that he creates an unrealistic expectation that you can only feel better and not suffer from depression by living his lifestyle.
When you’re less than 10% body fat aka very lean, it can actually cause depression and this creates even less self-esteem because people wanted to look like the Liver King. There are other problems too but these were the fitness focused ones
I didn't pay much attention to the Liver King, but another well researched and presented vid!
I hate to "blame the victims," but I almost get angrier at people who fell for his grift than the actual grifter himself, the liver king. The unfortunate thing about the liver king is that he had incredible genetics. You can tell from his younger days. The irony is that he would've achieved a physique most people cound't while even on performance enhancing drugs. He would have just been 30 or so pounds smaller.
Excellent work on this video. So glad to see content that points out the snake oil salesmen and grifters of the online fitness world
Does anyone know the name of the music track that begins at 1:25 ?!?!
I knew he wasn't natural but the man is actually on huge amounts of gear. Judging by his skin being beet red I guess it's obvious.
I've been lifting for nearly 20 years now. And I'll tell all you beginners right now who wants to look like Thor or Wolverine. You can either be big or you can be ripped. You cannot achieve both naturally.
So if I want to be big with muscle I’m also gonna be fat but if I want visible muscles ima have to be skinny?
I'll give 3 examples. Brad Pitt in Fight Club. Very lean with little muscle mass. Daniel Craig in Casino Royale. More muscle mass but no visible six pack. Gerard Butler in 300. Vey big. Very ripped. Veins sticking out of every part of his body. You can achieve the first 2 naturally. The 3rd? HELL NO !!🤣 @@kramarancko1107
The guy did so many things right but the one thing you cant do wrong. He did. Your word means everything above your marketing. Alot of lessons learned here.
10:34 Please, someone, tell me the source of the original video. That was hilarious.
Yo anyone who knew literally anything about fitness, you could tell the dude wasn’t natty. Yet, this just goes to show how many people do not know about that stuff
That bubble gut alone made me suspicious
@@JonDoe-uq1mk BINGO! Just one look at the guy's insulin belly/roid gut in profile and you know that he can't possibly be "natural".
I don’t hate this guy. He’s no different than any other supplements company who’s been doing the same shtick for 20 years. They all have juiced to the gills models for their pre workouts test boaster or other supplements. Same with YT “trainers” who are all on gear but if you do MY workouts you’ll look like me. People are dumb and there will be another liver king in a few months a
"Mistakes are pretty ancestral", great line. Josh Brett delivering again!
I have a lot of respect for you for giving Liver King way more benefit of doubt than he deserves in this video.
Very well made mini-documentary on a subject that is of great importance today: the mass-marketing of over-simplified and in many cases completely fraudulent lifestyle visions. Why anyone would want to follow the Liver King's objectives is beyond me, but in a world of aimlessness coupled with info bombardment, it shouldn't really be surprising that people look for a quick fix. Good work! (One tiny error: at 12:36, the word "pursuit" is misspelled.)
Your videos deserve millions of views! So much time and effort are dedicated to your content.
This may be your best editing job yet, and there’s some hefty competition 👍🙌🤩
Honestly, I'm capped out on content about this caricature. Even when it's as well made as Josh makes his videos.
People who believed him are beyond salvaging.
Before there was Liver King there was… TECHNO VIKING!!!🎉🎉🎉
Honestly the only place I ever heard of "Liver King" is on on Derek, Joe, Greg or a few other channels talking about steroids. I never even stumbled onto Liver Kings channel once while searching for fitness videos.
As always, editing is lit. Thank you Josh!
I've always thought that he was an obnoxious person. But when you begin to realize that he was profiting off of teenage boys' and mens' insecurities about their bodies, it becomes even more insidious.
At least people can still turn to Noel Deyzel for actual, genuine, meaningful and transparent content.
The fact that so many people took him seriously really underscores the problem of fatherlessness among boys in America. It's the only explanation I can fathom.
Not really because their fathers believe this shit too
@@joshuamancarter absolutely no one with a brain genuinely thought he was natural man
Best and most concise liver king video out there. Really gutted the whole story down.
lets be honest. he never duped anybody. We all knew
I"m 58 I'm 5'10" and I weigh 133#. Doctor says my numbers are better than some 30 year olds he sees. I eat two meals a day. I'm extremely active and fit and lean. I eat a fair amount of beef and I drink some milk. My diet is about 50% animal products. I eat pretty much the same amount of nutrition and calories I need per day. You don't need 2000 calories especially if you're lying around all day. I work all day and I get away with maybe 1400 calories. YMMV based on your body weight and your metabolism. Testosterone levels are largely genetic but also diet related.
I knew I was missing a christmas gift. So glad whenever this man uploads
For a short moment, you showed Mike Chang there (yea I know he was juiced up). Let me tell you this: he made me a better teen and a solid adult, he's charisma rub onto me soo much. My shoulders are still big years after not training, bigger than anybody I've seen in real life. And I haven't even buy 1 supplement in my life.
Shocked people actually believe he eats all the shit he says he does.
He might eat some, but definitely not to the extent he claims
no one looks like that without using steroids that much is clear.. i believe he sent out a positive message and if he just never denied the use of steroids to the first person who asked him no one would have made a big deal of it from thereon, maybe he would not have as many followers maybe but his diet is surely unique enough to make him stand out..
He's being sued for $25 million after a former fan who bought into this lifestyle wanted payback.
So, did he refund all his customers? If not, it's a worthless apology. He conned people and profited from it.
He's not the only one who has lied about anabolic steroid use. Most fitness influencers who claim to be natural do the same.
It's never ok to lie no matter what
Plot twist, the Liver King was the king of sub primals.
Brian is a classic charlatan as Zack Telander eloquently lays out in the MPMDs video.
Great video Josh
We want to hate this guy, but he is just a reflection of the worst of humanity and social media platforms. We need to address the route cause so these sociopathic narcissists can't have a soapbox to stand on.
Hampton is positively wonderful, an absolute Pomeranian, a ball of sunshine in the fitness community
Would hate to ever see some sort of exposé on him, but so far so good
HE IS ONLY SORRY BECAUSE HE GOT CAUGHT!!
What irks me most about his "apology" is that he says he wanted to help young men with depression and feeling lost. But he is part of the reason why many feel depressed and lost. They way he sets unrealistic standards for what's achieveable by working on yourself is what drives many people to give up on their gym pursuits. He is literally part of the problem, not the solution and now that he's caught he's trying to absolve himself of any wrong doing by bringing attention to a serious issue that he clearly cares nothing about. If he actually wanted to help people, there would have been nothing stopping him from putting his message out while being natural. But he didn't want that. He wanted to stroke his own ego and make as much money as possible. Anyone still following him earnestly is willfully ignorant. He should have never been given a pass for what he did.
I'm surprised a class action lawsuit hasn't popped up since his "confession." He promoted unrealistic results through a lifestyle and selling supplements that were unatainable.
as do all the hollywood celebrities, and 90% of the fitness influencers.
Suing him would be silly. Yeah, he lied and he's full of himself. But suing someone for lying is childish. Just call him out for it and don't support him.
You know how they say don't believe everything you see on tv? Well, the same applies to social media.
If Ronnie Coleman says hell no, I say hell no too.
And if anyone questioned him, there would always be a fan base of people that would get really aggressive over defending him. You've got to be a real piece of shit if you're going to try and belittle people for calling you out on an obvious lie. Then again, these kinds of people never change.
The first "red flag", encouraging people to eat raw meat, this is dangerous to do and can be deadly to some people, absolutely irresponsible.
What’s funny is that I never heard of him until he was caught buying juice. I may live under a rock?
Best type/style/quality of videos on TH-cam, well done Josh 👏🏾
Liverking decided to book a ticket to buckingham palace when the queens funeral was happening so that he could lift weights outside the palace without a top on, just to gain attention as the world was watching. regardless of what people say, I think that's very disrespectful.
That's disgusting
Lizzies in a box! In a box!
Even though the queen is a horrible person, he is still being very cringe
He’s a complete tool.
@@Precipiceofwind Did you know her....
Anyone and everyone in addiction recovery knows how to own our mistakes. This ain’t how. Your admission shouldn’t be accompanied by caveats and excuses.
He once referred to us suffering from depression anxiety and thoughts of suicide as “pussies” before he threw us under the bus at his first convenience.
He’s trying to sell this like there was no forced intervention. He wants everyone to believe he’s just AUTOMAGICALLY embraced recovery. His hand was forced. Those of us in recovery know who relapses…often. You can’t make another person love themselves.
The only person that can change the addict’s mind is the addict themselves. Those who do actually get clean/sober and make changes on their own volition generally succeed. This is why I have little faith in Brian Johnson’s claims of being happy about being called out on his lie due to his reaction, and how he’s toes the company’s brand since.
I don’t care about his 9 tenets or “core message.”
I’m interested in what this self proclaimed example-to-be-followed does now. What message does his actions send? 🤷🏻♂️
This dude is obviously addicted to working out.
I was a heroin addict for 15 years. I too know it’s like to get my self esteem from a syringe. I know exactly what I see, and I won’t enable this insanity. That man is an addict. I hope he learns to love himself and what he sees in the mirror. It’s PAINFULLY obvious that he suffers from issues of self worth.
After a long time, he's back!! Great to have you here again, Josh!
Its surprise to no one that he uses steroids. What is crazy on this story is people sharing confidential medical information on the internet without the consent of the patient. Regardless of what Liver Kind is doing, two wrongs don't make one right. People showing his bloodwork and medical records should be sued.
Good messaging or not, this is a classic case of someone who had a clear plan to rise to fame & fortune by doing something new, absurd, & extreme, because that’s the mindless content that people seem to flock to instead of actual honest high quality content.
Content? He just made ads
Love the editing. You’re really good at this!
Ur not lying....MINI DOC AT IT'S BEST....
shout out to my bro's that were eating testicles thinking it would give them their dream body
Add to that anyone who was actually eating raw brains/eyeballs without googling 'acquired prion disease' beforehand.
he didn't exactly didn't fool everyone but he did a lot of people. then again, there's a lot of people that believe ridiculous shit
He wasn’t fooling anyone
You know, any idiot can lie and double down on it when called out. Lying is such an easy way out in life, people understimate how much you can get away by just lying through your teeth and NEVER admit to being wrong. I learned to give much more respect to people who are courageous enough to swallow their pride and actually take responsibility for their mistakes. It sounds simple, but this is something a very small minorty of people have the guts and the confidence in themselves to do. It is not the case of the Brian, his attitude here is akin to a kid. Dude can brag about being the epitome of masculinity but it became clear as day that mentally he is a little boy, a weak and insecure kid in all but appearance.
Never judge people by what they say, only judge people by what they do.