Sophia Loren is one of the celebrities I have met in person. She was as lovely and gracious as her reputation. There was no doubting we were all in the presence of an exquisite human being.
She was signing her autobiography at Perimeter Mall in Atlanta. She had those beautiful glasses and long hair. I only said hello. In most cases with celebrities , it is best to keep the dialogue to a minimum. @@angelface925
I loved when Arlene came up with "dog catcher" as a joke and had no idea she was right -- then watching her reaction as she realized she'd been correct. Priceless!
They guessed Sophia quickly because they knew who was in town for the opening of their pictures. They always made it a point to know who was in town for what because many of them would show up as a mystery guest on What's My Line.
Dick Clark was 28 years old at the time of this appearance. He always looked younger than his actual age -- here he looks as if he were in his senior year of high school.
Never have I enjoyed watching commercials more than just now ;o) The show is exquisite ... and I thank you for providing this great entertainment with such dedication. Kind regards from Canada!
I was waiting for you to obtain this episode, Gary. Needless to say, it was worth it. And best of all, it is in its original form. No bumpers, no cut-offs, no credit crunchers. It is unedited with the original commercials. Also, let me share with you this fun fact about Sophia Loren: "The Pride and the Passion" is often regarded as her English-language debut. But actually, it was "Boy On a Dolphin". Though granted, you could say they're correct about "The Pride and the Passion", as it was filmed prior to "Boy on a Dolphin". Both films were shot in 1956.
La bela Sofia! These big stars being in New York promoting their latest movie, for example, was such a huge giveaway... I would've loved to have gazed upon this beautiful woman for quite a while longer!
Holy Mackerel is she beautiful...she's a bit older than me and I guess I didn't realize how old she was when I became aware of Sophia...I'd never seen her this young before viewing this clip....what a gorgeous woman.
Mahomet Illinois, I never heard of it until this episode. I looked it up and it's a lovely place I would like to visit. Thanks for the video. I mean a lot from WML.
Healthy girl that Sophia. This was about the time she married Carlo Ponti for the first time. Interesting that both times Sophia appeared on WML, Arlene identified her. This appearance is good but not quite as memorable as her second appearance in 1961 when Arlene praised Sophia for her new picture "Two Women," and when Johnny Carson, blindfolded, asked if she were free that night. Eat your heart out Johnny. In this period, Sophia made two films with Cary Grant. Two movies to get overdosed on singular good looks.
Sophia Loren no more belongs in the same sentence as that goddamn Section 8 sow of a woman loser nobody Kimberly Kardashian than she does with the Unabomber and Sasquatch.
Dick Clark was HOT! And remained so until the very end. Lucky guy. Probably my earliest memory of television was the saturday morning cartoons, capped off with American Bandstand. "It's got a great beat, I give it a 9!"
Sophia Loren was definitly a great actress and one of the most beautiful ladies ever. Along with Marilyn Monroe, Jayne Mansfield, Jean Simmons and Elizabeth Taylor, in my opinion.
Since there was some question about this, the animal were definitely cattle. Also, Mrs. Gretschman eventually divorced her husband, moved to California, and opened a barbershop. www.keloland.com/news/article/other/river-of-dreams
Okay, Dorothy. Let me help you understand. Marine bases have housing for marines and their families. On some of those bases, there are a lot of housing units. Like civiliian families, Military families sometimes have dogs (as well as other pets), and when the dogs get loose (even though they shouldn't, they do, just as they do in civilian neighborhoods) there needs to be a dog-catcher to round them up and put them in the pound until the owners can claim them. Having a dog catcher helps prevent stray dogs from getting run over by motor vehicles and can also keep them from biting strangers, which some dogs might do.
While Parris Island is fairly isolated from the mainland by swamps and waterways, I would also assume that dogs from the nearby town could wander down the road onto base.
Wasn't it around this year that Dorothy and John had their issue? I'd say that John threw a sting at her when she asked why the marines needed a dog catcher. Also, notice the dramatic difference between then and the 1963-64 episodes in Dorothy. Also, I have to say that for some reason, I love the commercials of back then.
No, Dorothy and John's falling out happened more than a year earlier, over her writing about the backstage dirt surrounding Mike Wallace's (non-)appearance on WML in 1957. www.yourememberthat.com/media/15416/Mike_Wallace_Whats_My_Line_Controversy_-_1957/
The incident happened in May 1957. Dorothy and John had kissed and made up long before this episode. It is fascinating to see 1958 commercials. Three minutes of them, total. Just a few products to focus on.
Around 1958 Dorothy just became more disagreeable than ever, but then she'd have shows where she was lost and those where she was as giddy as Arlene. I would venture her drug and alcohol use was starting to take it's toll by now.
sweiland75 , yes unfortunately. Too bad she didn’t ease up on the surgery. Raquel Welch is an example of someone who maintains her beauty through limited use of the surgeries.
I never noticed the spotlight on the contestants as they exit. Always thought Suave was a product that started in the seventies. Thanks for sharing with us.
Fewer and fewer mystery guests still with us, but, as of this post, gorgeous Sophia will be 90 this year. A baby of 24 in 1958 (two years older than the handsome dog catcher! Wonder if he's still alive.)
Dennis James and Po-te-un. I looked it up in Merriam-Webster and it is accepted. But it sounds odd. I think if I were the sponsor I would have asked for a change.
@@shuroom57 - Uh....yeah, sure. I'm buying that. Dweeb commenting in a YT thread had an affair with Sophia Loren and chose this platform to divulge it. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
She said oui to disguise her accent. She did not respond in french other than to say yes. English is taught in Italian schools and she was too busy trying to survive WW2 to learn another language.
Sophia really is striking. That Suave commercial for hair steals the cake - that's what the gorgeous women like Grace Kelly probably put on their hairdo then - where to buy that now?
Everytime I see Bennet Cerf, I think of the impact Random House had on the spread of Dungeons and Dragons across the globe. You may have to research that to understand it, but for decades they were the principal print house. If only he had lived to see the wildness to come. TSR could never have pushed that amount of paper by itself. And Random House always made a quality product.
Was Dick Clark ever on the panel again, or a mystery guest? I think it would be the only time, with the exception of Arlene, that you might see him and anyone else on the show together on the air.
I guess we can forgive Dorothy here. American Bandstand was aimed toward the pre and early teen market, and had been on the air for only 9 months when this show aired.
I don't think that's accurate-- American Bandstand had been a local NYC program for many years before it went national. In any event, I "forgive" Dorothy, but it is a fairly major gaffe, the kind of thing one would expect her to have made a special point out of getting correct before the show if she wasn't familiar with Dick Clark's program herself. What a dumb name for a series "American Broadcast" would have been, though. :)
What's My Line? I had looked at Wikipedia (not the best source, I know-LOL.) It said the show was just called "Bandstand" when it was local to Philadelphia and became "American Bandstand" only when it went nationwide in late 1957. Still, Dorothy goofed and I'm sure she was embarrassed for not being her usual perfect self. Haha
What's My Line? www.tv.com/shows/whats-my-line/episode-421-95904/trivia/ This entry in the shows' episode guide suggests that it may have been the first sign of Dorothy's drinking problems acting up. What do you think, Gary?
It sounded odd to me to so I looked it up and there are two acceptable ways to pronounce protein and they way he was saying it was one of them. (prō'tēn', -tē-ĭn)
Todd Brandt -- It was a regional thing, I think. I grew up saying "PRO-teen", but my Aunt Betz, who was from Minneapolis originally, always said "PRO-tee-in" with three syllables, just the way Dennis James said it in the Kellogg's commercial. Auntie Betz said it that way until her death in 1992 at age 74, but the vast majority of people -- like 97% of everyone I knew -- said "PRO-teen" with two syllables. My sixth birthday was in 1958, so I had heard the word any number of times by then. I have a feeling if I'd been from Minnesota instead of California, my experience might have been different. The three-syllable pronunciation is listed second in every dictionary I know of, so "PRO-teen" is the preferred pronunciation. It certainly sounds odd the way Dennis James kept pronouncing it.
DC was a real gentleman in not correcting Dorothy on the air. Arlene could cus she's part of the gang. I think Dick Clark had his Saturday night Beech-Nut show by then and maybe the producer's knew him from that. At three in the afternoon, the very...I mean the very last place they would be would be tuned to a rock and roll dance show. I wouldn't be surprised if some of their kids gave them a heads up on Dick.
I can only imagine what was going through his head: maybe his first appearance on a big, national TV program, a huge opportunity to boost his own show's profile, and Dorothy gets the name wrong!
Dorothy had very rough words for country music folks when they came to NYC to play a benefit, suggesting that the hicks from the sticks were invading and that "everybody should leave town" among other things. Her opinion of rock and roll couldn't have been any better. But she couldn't have felt "dirty" sitting next to Dick Clark. He was the industry's fresh face to America to let parents know that not everyone in rock and roll was a greasy reprobate!
Talk about grace and graciousness: not only did Dick Clark act the gentleman and not correct Dorothy's gaffe (I believe she did the same thing, on separate occasions, with the name of William Bendix's TV show and a film Tony Randall was appearing in, and THEY were quick to get the correct plugs in!), but both Arlene AND John (in his closing remarks) pointedly made sure that "American Bandstand" and their guest panelist were duly mentioned. Also, I must admit that I normally don't pay all that much attention to the closing credits, but I've never heard a Mystery Guest's upcoming film actually advertised by the announcer before. Was this a fairly common practice on WML which I've just never noticed, or was there some special connection between CBS/WML and Sophia's movie, "The Key"?
Todd Brandt Dorothy, of all people should get that stuff right, she was a newspaper columnist after all, even if it was directed at the Park Avenue set across the country.
As I've said before, I love how the women on the panel turn their heads to watch attractive women depart so they can eyeball their dresses...but the men look straight forward!😅
Actually, Dorothy did not make a "gaffe". American Bandstand was a local Philadelphia show from1953-1957. It went national in the Fall of 1957. So in June,1958 it was nationally broadcast for less than a year.
But she called the show "American Broadcast." No matter. We all make mistakes. She was a very intelligent woman, and she and Arlene Francis usually asked the most astute questions and imho really carried the show.
Dick Clark appears on the panel. What happened to all the negative comments about rock 'n roll? It will be interesting to see how fast they resume after Dick headed back down the Jersey Turnpike or on what would have then been the Pennsylvania Railroad to Philadelphia.
On the one hand, Dorothy was knowledgeable about modern music. On the other hand, as Gil Fates wrote in his book, neither Dorothy nor Arlene nor Bennett watched TV. When would they have time?
I enjoyed seeing the original commercials in this episode, even though I wasn't especially fond of Dennis James back in the day (for example, as host of PDQ). His pronunciation of "protein" was jarring, mostly because the word was in the script so often. And yet I remember when that was a fairly common way to pronounce the word. (If it wasn't, Kellogg's and the director for the commercial would have changed it.) It also didn't matter that I didn't particularly like Special K. My mom tried to get my brother and me to eat it. I think my dad did. The rest of it went stale and ended up in that year's turkey stuffing. It didn't taste terrible. To me, it had little flavor at all. However, it was a lot better than a later health-conscious Kellogg's cereal, Product 19. I imagine the cardboard box with an after taste would have a similar flavor.
This is the first time that Bennett was referred to as “The Count of Mount Kisco.” As puns goes, nice going baby. Interesting that when Arlene got her country house next door to the Cerf house, no one ever called her “The Countess of Mount Kisco.” RE: Special K. Talk about better living through modern science. Did anybody think to instruct Dennis James - who was one of the best commercial spokesmen of the 1950s and 1960s - how to pronounce “protein” in the first commercial? Or is that how the word was pronounced somewhere in 1958 America?
Sounded odd to me to especially since he repeated it about a dozen times. I looked it up and it appears that there are two acceptable pronunciations of the word protein and the way he was saying it is one of them. (prō'tēn', -tē-ĭn)
Wow! The ferryboat captain (the second woman) was an extremely interesting case for psychology. The questioning panel took one word, "animals", and took questioning to extremes without ever considering the possibility of "animals" being an arbitrary/unimportant element of the captain's services. It's textbook "interpreter" thinking (left brain), where you take one arbitrary piece of information and create a whole story that relates to that. Is what people usually do when they rationalize things they don't understand and have lots of accurate information about. That's exactly what's happening, imo, in the "climate change" domain. People take the few available pieces of information they are given and make up fantastical stories on causation, consequences, attribution, etc. It's nonsense really and I'm saying this not only as a psychologist but as someone who has studied the climate science for 15 years. Relative studies (to this phenomenon here) were conducted by Roger Sperry and Michael Gazzaniga in their split brain studies (that gave Sperry the Nobel Prize in Medicine/Physiology in 1981).
Arlene was as hot as a pistol at the start of this show: correcting Dorothy on the name of Dick Clark's show, one upping her neighbor (on the panel and in Westchester) with a fantastic pun, and then coming up with the first challenger's occupation at the 11th hour (as John Daly described it).
The second contestant has them completely off track because of John. I wonder, did he do that on purpose sometimes? I would think by this time it is his job to instruct the panel members (at least) that focusing on the animal aspect of this line may mislead them. He's (John) just having fun. I think Dorothy and Bennett are steaming inside.
Oh, I think it was fairly common for John to relish the opportunity to mislead the panelists on technicalities, usually stemming from the precise wording of the questions. I would argue that this is one of the most important elements in keeping the show entertaining for so many years, that the host had a playfully adversarial relationship with the panelists rather than simply being a glad handing, smiling, helpful moderator. One of the jarring things about the really early surviving shows-- a couple of which were just posted-- is that John went out of his way to be as helpful as possible, even going as far as to instruct the panel when they were eliciting useful information, or getting off track entirely.
What's My Line? Oh, I really enjoy the relationship between John and the panel. Few shows had just the right combination of personalities. However, I could "see" the steam coming from Bennett and Dorothy's ears, after that game!
+Joe Postove I think the contestant was kind of annoyed about it too, though maybe she was just shy. Still, I got the impression that even though she got the full prize, she would have preferred it if the panel had not been so totally side-tracked by the animal aspect in their questioning. And I agree that, as funny as it was, John really should have stepped in after a while and advised the panel that pursuing the identity of the animals was not really going to get them very far.
Some people take their pets with them, and sometimes they end up on a ferryboat. In regards to this, they veered off course/track focusing on more of the animals than anything else.
"There's a very funny gaffe by Dorothy when she introduces Dick Clark. His show, for those too young to know, was "American Bandstand", and it wasn't all that new by this point. " That's actually not a "gaffe." From 1952 to to 1957, American Bandstand only aired in Philadelphia and was hosted by Bob Horn. In 1957, the series started airing nationwide with Dick Clark as the permanent host. So most of Americans would have considered it a new series in 1958
Wow, that's a very young Dick Clark for me to behold. He looks like a 10 year old with a burly voice. I'm just use to seeing how he looked back in the 1970s
Sophia does not appear until 21:35 and they guess her rather quick, but it is always great to see Sophia! To see some of her hottest photos, go to my uploaded TH-cam videos. Just click on my name or photo.
Dick Clark. wow. Early Luscious Period. Early in the history of nationwide "American Bandstand." He did not show up much on this show. He showed up once in syndicated WML as a mystery guest, but this was in his "Pyramid" period.
This is a problem I see often, that when a specific question is asked such as "is this service applicable for dogs and cats" the panelist gets a no, of course, but sometimes I think, as good as they are, they veer off into taking that as a general declaration, thinking, well, maybe it concerns that other animals could be in play. Or were they better players by now.Hope that wasn't too much John Dalyish there! I'm confused myself.
Joe Postove When questioning the Ferryboat Captain, after Dorothy's "do you do the same thing both for animals and people?" The whole panel fell off the track by steadily keeping their concentration about animals, instead of other things that might have made more sense; "Outdoor/Indoor", "Vehicle", "Personal contact" "food/not food", and so on...
I am thoroughly confused about what kind of animals the ferryboat captain might take across. I thought that she and John would explain and elaborate after the game, but the panel seemed to implicitly know without being told. As for me, I have no idea! If they were not primarily dogs and cats, and not animals to be used for food, I am stumped. Does anyone here have any ideas about this? (I'm going to post this comment up top also, because I suspect a lot of people won't read so far down the comments section, and I need all the help I can get to understand this one!)
SuperWinterborn Actually that makes the most sense. We used to have ferryboats everywhere in the Norfolk Virginia area where I grew up (mostly replaced by tunnels). It was almost surrounded by water, and I would think it would be a daily occurrence that people would take their pets across the water.
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Sophia Loren is one of the celebrities I have met in person. She was as lovely and gracious as her reputation. There was no doubting we were all in the presence of an exquisite human being.
That's spectacular! How/where did you meet her?! I wouldn't know what to say 😅
She was signing her autobiography at Perimeter Mall in Atlanta. She had those beautiful glasses and long hair. I only said hello. In most cases with celebrities , it is best to keep the dialogue to a minimum. @@angelface925
wow...btw was she tall?
@@classicalperformances8777 She was seated. But, yes she was tall and lovely.
@@HappyLife693 She will be 90 years old in September !
I love Sophia! Thanks for posting this episode. Those dresses are beautiful woman used to dress so elegant back then
Cherry Cherry men would wear suits and hats on the streets and tip their hats to the ladies.
I remember this so well when I was a small child.
Arlene Francis and Dorothy Kilgallen are out of this world when it comes to guessing someone's "line".
I appreciate the commercials being left in this episode. Poor Claire! Delightful!
I loved when Arlene came up with "dog catcher" as a joke and had no idea she was right -- then watching her reaction as she realized she'd been correct. Priceless!
Arlene Frances is really intelligent, she figures out occupations so quickly.
She's also hilarious with her quips and comments! Just love her!! ❤️👏
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She can. Both women are great at it. If they had been on Match Game, they would have easily given Richard Dawson a run for his money.
All the regulars always knew what was going on in the NYC entertainment and social scene so it was often a very quick process of elimination.
I was born 11 years later and it’s pretty amazing that Dick Clark was still doing Bandstand when I was a teenager.
Dick Clark never grew old..
Not until his stroke.@@dcasper8514
Sophia is an example of features that are not symmetrical but man o man do they look right all together on that face......incredible.........
Such overall class & respect. How joyous to watch this before I turn in. Thank you.
They guessed Sophia quickly because they knew who was in town for the opening of their pictures. They always made it a point to know who was in town for what because many of them would show up as a mystery guest on What's My Line.
Bob Crestwood Arlene kept up on what was happening in town and who was there.
I love how they got off on an animal tangent with the ferryboat lady following the Marine dog catcher.
sophia loren is 24 years old. she looks so mature for her age.
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Her childhood was very difficult during World War II. I believe she and her mother almost starved to death.
Most of these people have long since passed this material world, yet they somehow seem to come back to life while watching this show . . .
Dick Clark was 28 years old at the time of this appearance. He always looked younger than his actual age -- here he looks as if he were in his senior year of high school.
Dick Clark= hotter than anyone. Ever. Period.
Dorian Gray had nothing on Dick Clark,!
In just two months from now, Sophia Loren will be turning 80.
What a bummer John Daly never got to have a small conference with her!
Haha, I thought the same thing. 😄
Never have I enjoyed watching commercials more than just now ;o)
The show is exquisite ... and I thank you for providing this great entertainment with such dedication.
Kind regards from Canada!
Wow Dick Clark was just a baby! I love these commercials!
Wow! Dick Clark was 29 here but looks like he's 13! It's so strange seeing him look so young and speaking with that same familiar deep voice!
I love their good manners
I never saw a show were everyone was having more fun than they were.
Fun is what children have in a playground.
I was waiting for you to obtain this episode, Gary. Needless to say, it was worth it. And best of all, it is in its original form. No bumpers, no cut-offs, no credit crunchers. It is unedited with the original commercials.
Also, let me share with you this fun fact about Sophia Loren: "The Pride and the Passion" is often regarded as her English-language debut. But actually, it was "Boy On a Dolphin". Though granted, you could say they're correct about "The Pride and the Passion", as it was filmed prior to "Boy on a Dolphin". Both films were shot in 1956.
La bela Sofia! These big stars being in New York promoting their latest movie, for example, was such a huge giveaway... I would've loved to have gazed upon this beautiful woman for quite a while longer!
Holy Mackerel is she beautiful...she's a bit older than me and I guess I didn't realize how old she was when I became aware of Sophia...I'd never seen her this young before viewing this clip....what a gorgeous woman.
You should check out the show with Linda Darnell who I think was equal to Sophia.
I remember S.L. in the movie, "Grumpier Old Men" in 1995.
Mahomet Illinois, I never heard of it until this episode. I looked it up and it's a lovely place I would like to visit. Thanks for the video. I mean a lot from WML.
A time when people on television were well-dressed, graceful, and polite.
I feel the same way. Such charming, dignified, cultured men and women -- guests and panelists alike.
Try doing that today.
I was there. In real life, not so much. Not some imagined idyllic world at all. Crime, prostitution etc. was aplenty.
Sophia Loren....the most beautiful actress on the planet!!
I would go so far to say the most beautiful woman on the planet! At least the most beautiful I have ever seen in my 61 years.
@@Sirgromulus - Oh yeah. And here is the sexiest scene in the history of cinema:
th-cam.com/video/a0z1Bc-ExVE/w-d-xo.html
The animals- cattle were often ferried. In the 1050's cattle drives often occurred in that part of the country.
Sophia is stunning
So is Fiona Bruce … 👩🏻🦱❤️
Healthy girl that Sophia. This was about the time she married Carlo Ponti for the first time. Interesting that both times Sophia appeared on WML, Arlene identified her. This appearance is good but not quite as memorable as her second appearance in 1961 when Arlene praised Sophia for her new picture "Two Women," and when Johnny Carson, blindfolded, asked if she were free that night. Eat your heart out Johnny.
In this period, Sophia made two films with Cary Grant. Two movies to get overdosed on singular good looks.
She only married Ponti one time.
No. She married Carlo Ponti twice.
Interesting to see how "protein" gets pronounced in 1958.
I like how they still said Los An-Ga-Leez with the hard "G"
soulierinvestments until reading your comment I didn’t know what he was talking about.
Yeah, who pronounces it "pro teen in"??
@@robertromero8692 I will from now on. Protee-in! Bless your soul Dennis James.
My mom gave us Romilar cough syrup with codine. Loved those times.
sophia loren over kim kardashian, rihanna, kate upton, cameron diaz anyday!!!!
I remember seeing her in movies back in the sixties. I am 61 years old and still think she is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen.
Sophia Loren no more belongs in the same sentence as that goddamn Section 8 sow of a woman loser nobody Kimberly Kardashian than she does with the Unabomber and Sasquatch.
...ohhhh, HELLLZ yeah, u rite..;)!!
It's hard to compare the glamour girls from the past with those today, but Sophia Loren is/was one of the most attractive women of all time.
Tommiboy193 ...ohhhh, yeahhh, she’s nonpareil with these other latter-day ‘hunties’..../
Dick Clark was HOT! And remained so until the very end. Lucky guy. Probably my earliest memory of television was the saturday morning cartoons, capped off with American Bandstand. "It's got a great beat, I give it a 9!"
Omg yes!!! I completely agree- Dick Clark was insanely sexy and handsome!!!!
Arlene pulled a Bennett Cerf on Bennett! The Count of Monte Kisco!
The day I was born, 6/29/58
Sophia Loren was definitly a great actress and one of the most beautiful ladies ever. Along with Marilyn Monroe, Jayne Mansfield, Jean Simmons and Elizabeth Taylor, in my opinion.
And Mamie Van Doren, who also appeared in WML.
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@Cosmic86x: You forgot VIVIEN LEIGH❤
She is still alive at 88. Referring to the "was" statement.
Since there was some question about this, the animal were definitely cattle. Also, Mrs. Gretschman eventually divorced her husband, moved to California, and opened a barbershop.
www.keloland.com/news/article/other/river-of-dreams
+juliansinger *Wow!!* -- what a great find!!!!!
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Since the animals were cattle, it's ironic that her last name eventually became "Hamberger"!
Okay, Dorothy. Let me help you understand. Marine bases have housing for marines and their families. On some of those bases, there are a lot of housing units. Like civiliian families, Military families sometimes have dogs (as well as other pets), and when the dogs get loose (even though they shouldn't, they do, just as they do in civilian neighborhoods) there needs to be a dog-catcher to round them up and put them in the pound until the owners can claim them. Having a dog catcher helps prevent stray dogs from getting run over by motor vehicles and can also keep them from biting strangers, which some dogs might do.
While Parris Island is fairly isolated from the mainland by swamps and waterways, I would also assume that dogs from the nearby town could wander down the road onto base.
She died in 1965! Have some respect.
@@dasherand1 ToddSF 94109 does make a valid point
Even the period ads are great ...
Sophia Loren is still live in 2024 at 89 years old.
Wasn't it around this year that Dorothy and John had their issue? I'd say that John threw a sting at her when she asked why the marines needed a dog catcher. Also, notice the dramatic difference between then and the 1963-64 episodes in Dorothy.
Also, I have to say that for some reason, I love the commercials of back then.
No, Dorothy and John's falling out happened more than a year earlier, over her writing about the backstage dirt surrounding Mike Wallace's (non-)appearance on WML in 1957.
www.yourememberthat.com/media/15416/Mike_Wallace_Whats_My_Line_Controversy_-_1957/
The incident happened in May 1957. Dorothy and John had kissed and made up long before this episode. It is fascinating to see 1958 commercials. Three minutes of them, total. Just a few products to focus on.
Around 1958 Dorothy just became more disagreeable than ever, but then she'd have shows where she was lost and those where she was as giddy as Arlene. I would venture her drug and alcohol use was starting to take it's toll by now.
Thank you for the link. Fascinating. Love from San Diego, CA.
I don't blame Daily. I wouldn't want Wallace on my show either. Thanks or the link to the article.
My God, how beautiful she looks. Amazing.
Sophia Loren was and still is a very attractive lady
I would have agreed up to about ten years ago but, nowadays, she has had so much surgery that she now looks like Mickey Rourke.
sweiland75 , yes unfortunately. Too bad she didn’t ease up on the surgery. Raquel Welch is an example of someone who maintains her beauty through limited use of the surgeries.
Not more beautiful than Fiona Bruce.
I never noticed the spotlight on the contestants as they exit. Always thought Suave was a product that started in the seventies.
Thanks for sharing with us.
Today's mystery guest is still with us as of my posting on July 30, 2023.
Not that it means anything, but I have noticed that the women on WML generally bring their purses on stage with them. You never see that anymore.
The Neopolitan Knockout - One of the most gorgeous women to walk the planet.
That Suave commercial reminds me of the 'Suave does what there's does,'.commercial, funny. Thanks for the memories.
Italian Talent of the highest order; an International phenomenon!
No one comes close to this global career; a six decade career of excellence.
Arlene is having too much fun 😂
Fewer and fewer mystery guests still with us, but, as of this post, gorgeous Sophia will be 90 this year. A baby of 24 in 1958 (two years older than the handsome dog catcher! Wonder if he's still alive.)
Dennis James and Po-te-un. I looked it up in Merriam-Webster and it is accepted. But it sounds odd. I think if I were the sponsor I would have asked for a change.
The Queen 👑 👸🏻 Sophia Loren
No, that would be Fiona Bruce ❤️👩🏻🦱
Cary Grant made a couple of movies with Sophia Loren. He was madly in love with her but she went with Carlo Ponti instead.
She did have an affair with Cary Grant, which she proudly admitted to publicly.
@@secondstringShe'll never admit to the affair she and I once had. She respects my privacy that way. Yep---- poor kid.
@@shuroom57 - Uh....yeah, sure. I'm buying that. Dweeb commenting in a YT thread had an affair with Sophia Loren and chose this platform to divulge it.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
Sophia Loren responded in French because French is taught in Italian schools.
She said oui to disguise her accent. She did not respond in french other than to say yes. English is taught in Italian schools and she was too busy trying to survive WW2 to learn another language.
Yes I'm old enough to remember those colorful crinolines. So much fabric!!!
Wow, Dick Clark when he not long looked young but WAS young. I was young then too, all of 5 months old.
When they get as far afield as they were with the ferry boat captain, John usually rescues them. This time they let him twist in the wind.
Until they ran aground and capsized.
Sophia really is striking. That Suave commercial for hair steals the cake - that's what the gorgeous women like Grace Kelly probably put on their hairdo then - where to buy that now?
Dick Clark! Looking like a teenager. Barely recognize him but when he smiles it’s surely him. What a career!
Everytime I see Bennet Cerf, I think of the impact Random House had on the spread of Dungeons and Dragons across the globe. You may have to research that to understand it, but for decades they were the principal print house. If only he had lived to see the wildness to come. TSR could never have pushed that amount of paper by itself. And Random House always made a quality product.
Every time I see him, I am reminded of my late Uncle Reg.
love this show watched in high school
Damn you're old!
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Was Dick Clark ever on the panel again, or a mystery guest? I think it would be the only time, with the exception of Arlene, that you might see him and anyone else on the show together on the air.
I guess we can forgive Dorothy here. American Bandstand was aimed toward the pre and early teen market, and had been on the air for only 9 months when this show aired.
I don't think that's accurate-- American Bandstand had been a local NYC program for many years before it went national. In any event, I "forgive" Dorothy, but it is a fairly major gaffe, the kind of thing one would expect her to have made a special point out of getting correct before the show if she wasn't familiar with Dick Clark's program herself. What a dumb name for a series "American Broadcast" would have been, though. :)
What's My Line? I had looked at Wikipedia (not the best source, I know-LOL.) It said the show was just called "Bandstand" when it was local to Philadelphia and became "American Bandstand" only when it went nationwide in late 1957. Still, Dorothy goofed and I'm sure she was embarrassed for not being her usual perfect self. Haha
RickC50 Yes, sorry-- it was a Philadelphia show, not NYC. But it had been a national show for a year by this point.
What's My Line? www.tv.com/shows/whats-my-line/episode-421-95904/trivia/
This entry in the shows' episode guide suggests that it may have been the first sign of Dorothy's drinking problems acting up. What do you think, Gary?
It also appeared on Saturday afternoons...I can't imagine Dorothy spending her Saturday afternoon watching any 1958 tv
Sophia once said::: "Everything you see about me, I owe to spaghetti"....
I've wondered why the panel doesn't always ask, "Your work doesn't involve animals, does it?"
I did not get the Ferry boat thing ...Cattle right ?
Yes.
The movie Sophia is opening in co-stars the equally gorgeous Tab Hunter.
I feel bad for Larry. They ran outta time and he seemed to have a fun job. I hope he made money and did well after his telephone operator job.
Was it common to pronounce protein as "pro-tean" at this time? I've never heard it pronounced as such.
Todd Brandt I remember for some decades ago, there was a discussion about how to pronounce "Polaroid" as well...
It sounded odd to me to so I looked it up and there are two acceptable ways to pronounce protein and they way he was saying it was one of them. (prō'tēn', -tē-ĭn)
Todd Brandt -- It was a regional thing, I think. I grew up saying "PRO-teen", but my Aunt Betz, who was from Minneapolis originally, always said "PRO-tee-in" with three syllables, just the way Dennis James said it in the Kellogg's commercial. Auntie Betz said it that way until her death in 1992 at age 74, but the vast majority of people -- like 97% of everyone I knew -- said "PRO-teen" with two syllables. My sixth birthday was in 1958, so I had heard the word any number of times by then. I have a feeling if I'd been from Minnesota instead of California, my experience might have been different. The three-syllable pronunciation is listed second in every dictionary I know of, so "PRO-teen" is the preferred pronunciation. It certainly sounds odd the way Dennis James kept pronouncing it.
ToddSF 94109 Up here in the North, we pronounce it like your Aunt Betz, namely "pro-tee-in". Like in Coff-ee-in. :)
I am a fan of old time radio and yes, it was pronounced this way even on the radio shows of the 1930s.
DC was a real gentleman in not correcting Dorothy on the air. Arlene could cus she's part of the gang. I think Dick Clark had his Saturday night Beech-Nut show by then and maybe the producer's knew him from that. At three in the afternoon, the very...I mean the very last place they would be would be tuned to a rock and roll dance show. I wouldn't be surprised if some of their kids gave them a heads up on Dick.
I can only imagine what was going through his head: maybe his first appearance on a big, national TV program, a huge opportunity to boost his own show's profile, and Dorothy gets the name wrong!
Dorothy had very rough words for country music folks when they came to NYC to play a benefit, suggesting that the hicks from the sticks were invading and that "everybody should leave town" among other things. Her opinion of rock and roll couldn't have been any better. But she couldn't have felt "dirty" sitting next to Dick Clark. He was the industry's fresh face to America to let parents know that not everyone in rock and roll was a greasy reprobate!
Talk about grace and graciousness: not only did Dick Clark act the gentleman and not correct Dorothy's gaffe (I believe she did the same thing, on separate occasions, with the name of William Bendix's TV show and a film Tony Randall was appearing in, and THEY were quick to get the correct plugs in!), but both Arlene AND John (in his closing remarks) pointedly made sure that "American Bandstand" and their guest panelist were duly mentioned. Also, I must admit that I normally don't pay all that much attention to the closing credits, but I've never heard a Mystery Guest's upcoming film actually advertised by the announcer before. Was this a fairly common practice on WML which I've just never noticed, or was there some special connection between CBS/WML and Sophia's movie, "The Key"?
Todd Brandt Dorothy, of all people should get that stuff right, she was a newspaper columnist after all, even if it was directed at the Park Avenue set across the country.
What's My Line? No new show tonight?:(
As I've said before, I love how the women on the panel turn their heads to watch attractive women depart so they can eyeball their dresses...but the men look straight forward!😅
A year later, Dick would appear opposite "WHAT'S MY LINE?", on ABC's "DICK CLARK'S WORLD OF TALENT" for the first half of the 1959-'60 season.
Actually, Dorothy did not make a "gaffe". American Bandstand was a local Philadelphia show from1953-1957. It went national in the Fall of 1957. So in June,1958 it was nationally broadcast for less than a year.
But she called the show "American Broadcast." No matter. We all make mistakes. She was a very intelligent woman, and she and Arlene Francis usually asked the most astute questions and imho really carried the show.
Dick Clark appears on the panel. What happened to all the negative comments about rock 'n roll? It will be interesting to see how fast they resume after Dick headed back down the Jersey Turnpike or on what would have then been the Pennsylvania Railroad to Philadelphia.
Wonder if they ever showed the Snagglepuss 'What's My Lion?' advert on this show? Since Kellogg's sponsors at least this instalment.
On the one hand, Dorothy was knowledgeable about modern music. On the other hand, as Gil Fates wrote in his book, neither Dorothy nor Arlene nor Bennett watched TV. When would they have time?
I remember when Sophia Loren started appearing in photographs while wearing eyeglasses. So much for one of Dorothy Parker's most famous quotes.
Lois Simmons ....I’d loooooove to know how many here even know or ‘get’ the DP reference...;)!
Would that quote be, "boys don't make passes at girls who wear glasses"?
@@HappyLife693 yes
@@HappyLife693 "passes at"
@@dbarker7794 you are correct. I'll fix that.
I enjoyed seeing the original commercials in this episode, even though I wasn't especially fond of Dennis James back in the day (for example, as host of PDQ). His pronunciation of "protein" was jarring, mostly because the word was in the script so often. And yet I remember when that was a fairly common way to pronounce the word. (If it wasn't, Kellogg's and the director for the commercial would have changed it.)
It also didn't matter that I didn't particularly like Special K. My mom tried to get my brother and me to eat it. I think my dad did. The rest of it went stale and ended up in that year's turkey stuffing. It didn't taste terrible. To me, it had little flavor at all. However, it was a lot better than a later health-conscious Kellogg's cereal, Product 19. I imagine the cardboard box with an after taste would have a similar flavor.
Dick Clark is 29 years old here! Looks way younger than that. But the voice is nice.
This is the first time that Bennett was referred to as “The Count of Mount Kisco.” As puns goes, nice going baby. Interesting that when Arlene got her country house next door to the Cerf house, no one ever called her “The Countess of Mount Kisco.”
RE: Special K. Talk about better living through modern science. Did anybody think to instruct Dennis James - who was one of the best commercial spokesmen of the 1950s and 1960s - how to pronounce “protein” in the first commercial? Or is that how the word was pronounced somewhere in 1958 America?
Sounded odd to me to especially since he repeated it about a dozen times. I looked it up and it appears that there are two acceptable pronunciations of the word protein and the way he was saying it is one of them. (prō'tēn', -tē-ĭn)
In that pronunciation, it sounds like a mythological race of creatures. "And lo, he was chas-ED by the pro-tee-uns with spears."
soulierinvestments a play on The Count of Monte Cristo...right?
LOL @ the mythological creatures! :D
Right you are, @Lena Smolon, and in fact, Arlene did say, "Count of Monte Kisco" here (instead of "Mount Kisco"), which made it funnier, imo. :-)
those commercials
Wow! The ferryboat captain (the second woman) was an extremely interesting case for psychology. The questioning panel took one word, "animals", and took questioning to extremes without ever considering the possibility of "animals" being an arbitrary/unimportant element of the captain's services.
It's textbook "interpreter" thinking (left brain), where you take one arbitrary piece of information and create a whole story that relates to that.
Is what people usually do when they rationalize things they don't understand and have lots of accurate information about.
That's exactly what's happening, imo, in the "climate change" domain. People take the few available pieces of information they are given and make up fantastical stories on causation, consequences, attribution, etc. It's nonsense really and I'm saying this not only as a psychologist but as someone who has studied the climate science for 15 years.
Relative studies (to this phenomenon here) were conducted by Roger Sperry and Michael Gazzaniga in their split brain studies (that gave Sperry the Nobel Prize in Medicine/Physiology in 1981).
Bit early in the morning for all this, ennit?
22 looked so much more mature back then. (In reference to the corporal.)
Arlene was as hot as a pistol at the start of this show: correcting Dorothy on the name of Dick Clark's show, one upping her neighbor (on the panel and in Westchester) with a fantastic pun, and then coming up with the first challenger's occupation at the 11th hour (as John Daly described it).
The second contestant has them completely off track because of John. I wonder, did he do that on purpose sometimes? I would think by this time it is his job to instruct the panel members (at least) that focusing on the animal aspect of this line may mislead them. He's (John) just having fun. I think Dorothy and Bennett are steaming inside.
Oh, I think it was fairly common for John to relish the opportunity to mislead the panelists on technicalities, usually stemming from the precise wording of the questions. I would argue that this is one of the most important elements in keeping the show entertaining for so many years, that the host had a playfully adversarial relationship with the panelists rather than simply being a glad handing, smiling, helpful moderator. One of the jarring things about the really early surviving shows-- a couple of which were just posted-- is that John went out of his way to be as helpful as possible, even going as far as to instruct the panel when they were eliciting useful information, or getting off track entirely.
What's My Line? Oh, I really enjoy the relationship between John and the panel. Few shows had just the right combination of personalities. However, I could "see" the steam coming from Bennett and Dorothy's ears, after that game!
+Joe Postove I think the contestant was kind of annoyed about it too, though maybe she was just shy. Still, I got the impression that even though she got the full prize, she would have preferred it if the panel had not been so totally side-tracked by the animal aspect in their questioning. And I agree that, as funny as it was, John really should have stepped in after a while and advised the panel that pursuing the identity of the animals was not really going to get them very far.
Semper Fi!!!
He's a dog catcher... isn't it Semper Fi-Do.
Always faithful.
I don't understand where the animals come in with a ferry boat captain???
Some people take their pets with them, and sometimes they end up on a ferryboat. In regards to this, they veered off course/track focusing on more of the animals than anything else.
@@chrisgast No pets. Dorothy asked if it were dogs/cats and got a no. Ferries are used to transport cattle sometimes.
"There's a very funny gaffe by Dorothy when she introduces Dick Clark. His show, for those too young to know, was "American Bandstand", and it wasn't all that new by this point.
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That's actually not a "gaffe." From 1952 to to 1957, American Bandstand only aired in Philadelphia and was hosted by Bob Horn. In 1957, the series started airing nationwide with Dick Clark as the permanent host. So most of Americans would have considered it a new series in 1958
Wow, that's a very young Dick Clark for me to behold. He looks like a 10 year old with a burly voice. I'm just use to seeing how he looked back in the 1970s
Sophia does not appear until 21:35 and they guess her rather quick, but it is always great to see Sophia! To see some of her hottest photos, go to my uploaded TH-cam videos. Just click on my name or photo.
I have only eaten Special K once and that was once too often. When I pooped, it felt as if I was passing a rough-edged house brick … 💩
Dick Clark. wow. Early Luscious Period. Early in the history of nationwide "American Bandstand." He did not show up much on this show. He showed up once in syndicated WML as a mystery guest, but this was in his "Pyramid" period.
Shame on John for not welcoming Dick Clark to the panel!
Joe Postove maybe because Dick had just appeared a couple of days earlier John usually only pointed out new panelists
One year before I was born
Dick Clark was so small here! lol American Broadcasts.
How they used to grease down their hair. I used to hate my mother having me put hair tonic on . . .
Brylcreem -- a little dab'll do ya. I hated it too.
I feel a little bad for the last contestants when time is running out, their time to play is often cut in half. Seems unfair.
“Protee-in”. I’ve been pronouncing it wrong for decades.
This is a problem I see often, that when a specific question is asked such as "is this service applicable for dogs and cats" the panelist gets a no, of course, but sometimes I think, as good as they are, they veer off into taking that as a general declaration, thinking, well, maybe it concerns that other animals could be in play. Or were they better players by now.Hope that wasn't too much John Dalyish there! I'm confused myself.
Joe Postove When questioning the Ferryboat Captain, after Dorothy's "do you do the same thing both for animals and people?" The whole panel fell off the track by steadily keeping their concentration about animals, instead of other things that might have made more sense; "Outdoor/Indoor", "Vehicle", "Personal contact" "food/not food", and so on...
I am thoroughly confused about what kind of animals the ferryboat captain might take across. I thought that she and John would explain and elaborate after the game, but the panel seemed to implicitly know without being told. As for me, I have no idea! If they were not primarily dogs and cats, and not animals to be used for food, I am stumped. Does anyone here have any ideas about this? (I'm going to post this comment up top also, because I suspect a lot of people won't read so far down the comments section, and I need all the help I can get to understand this one!)
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SaveThe TPC On a ferryboat, would it not be quite common, that people brought their pets, mainly dogs, on the trip too? ;)
SuperWinterborn Actually that makes the most sense. We used to have ferryboats everywhere in the Norfolk Virginia area where I grew up (mostly replaced by tunnels). It was almost surrounded by water, and I would think it would be a daily occurrence that people would take their pets across the water.