The turret model in the show is based off the one from Fallouts 4 and 76, they are NOTORIOUSLY bad at hitting anything moving faster than a regular walk, so the whole "please remain calm" sign is a ploy to keep people slow enough that the turret can actually hit them.
yeah and sometimes they even shot at friendly npc like the traders that visit your camp in Fallout 76, but beside that, i would like to have that type with the "please remain calm" screen in the game.
Maximus is a pretty terrible squire, but he was right to question Titus on the vertibird. He swore first to the Brotherhood, second to the mission, and only third to his knight.
2:56 *Seeing as that is modeled off of the basic turret from Fallout 4, honestly pretty faithful from the one in the game, especially regarding accuracy*
As far as your question about whether it's the character of Maximus or the actor that's making you feel iffy, it's the character. These characters were written with game stats in mind (literally; I'm not just guessing there, it's been stated. AND Bethesda even released stat sheets for the characters in the show to give better insight into who they are). We got hints at which stats Lucy's points are placed into in her introduction (and fans of the games will have recognized those when they were mentioned). With Maximus, if you've played the games, it's fairly clear that his points are focused on Strength and Endurance, with a focus on melee fighting (which is why he can take so many beatings and get back up to keep fighting), but his lowest stats are Intelligence and Charisma. If the show were the game, he'd be constantly failing speech checks (saying the wrong things, not communicating his intentions (or innocence) properly, etc) and making the wrong/dumb choices, which are both things we've already seen happen several times in these first two episodes. Also, he comes off as a bit of a dud. This is intentional. Obviously, I'm not going to spoil anything, so I'll just say that once you've seen the whole season, you'll realize that the actor who's playing Maximus is absolutely killing it in the role. You're feeling about Maximus exactly the way you're meant to be feeling about Maximus at this point in the show. I'll add that, when I first watched the series, I felt the same way early on. For the first few episodes, I kept thinking, "Wow, this show is great, but I wish they would've cast someone else as Maximus bc this guy is the weak link." Over the course of the season, he grew on me and, by the end, I understood exactly what I said to you in the first paragraph of this comment. Everyone in this show delivered exactly what their characters are supposed to be and the pacing of how everything unveils itself is immaculate. Will Max ever be your favorite character in the show? Probably not. Lucy's awesome and the Ghoul is a top-tier character, so they're going to be most people's favorites. But Max is a good representation of a companion character from the games and the actor is actually really, really good at playing exactly what Maximus is. Go back and watch the scene from ep 1 where the Brotherhood is interrogating him over Aspirant Dane's foot injury (the razor in the boot) and watch the complex series of emotions that plays over his face during the interrogation, but especially right after the guy names him Knight Titus's new squire and they leave him alone in the room. The face journey he takes is a masterclass in acting. It's not the actor who's a bit of a dullard. It's the character. OH! And one last thing: Of the stuff you've seen so far with Maximus, there is a place to begin to hook in with him beyond what you mentioned: Disillusionment. - Him being bullied by his fellow aspirants isn't just about him being victimized, it actively goes against what the Brotherhood is supposedly about. When he's being interrogated over Aspirant Dane's injury, the Cleric tells him, "Violence is a tool. We use it to bring order to the Wasteland, but violence against a Brother of Steel is a sign of weakness." Yet, Max is actively getting bullied every day and no one is doing a thing about it. - When he gets a question wrong in the classroom, the instructor hits him in the face with a ruler and tells him he'd be more useful as a corpse. - When the Brotherhood think Max may have hurt aspirant Dane because the people who bully him claim he did it, he's put into an interrogation that feels very threatening with a Knight standing behind him, ready to crush his head in a hot second if they don't like his answers. No trial, no due process of any kind, just his life subject to being ended at any moment at their whim. - Several times, we've seen flashbacks of little kid Max amidst rubble, smiling up at a heroic looking Knight stepping out of the smoke. Max's hero! And yet... - When Max squires for an actual Knight for the first time, the Knight is a complete dick ("I'm bored and I want to shoot something"), a coward who would send his unarmored squire into the cave to investigate rather than go in himself, and, once again, a dick (blaming Max for his own stupidity and indicating that he's going to tell the Brotherhood it's Max's fault, leading to them executing him for his supposed failure). It's a "never meet your heroes" moment. Max is similar to Lucy in this way. Lucy believes in the mission of the Vault and her belief is crashing against the reality of life above ground. Max believes in the mission of the Brotherhood, but his belief is crashing against the reality of what the Brotherhood actually is vs. what he thought it was.
This right here is spot on about Max. I started to come around on him when i realized he's just trying to be the Knight he's always had in his head that's there to help people
Very well-stated. I'm actually surprised that so many people miss that Max' character is the surface equivalent of Lucy's - two opposites that bracket the theme expressed with great foreboding by Wilzig in the beginning of the episode.
I never knew that they put out official stats, but I’ve always said that Maximus is very obviously a strength build, with low intelligence and charisma (him having to sell a tooth because he’s one bottlecap short is such a perfect example of him having zero charisma). We get a sense of Lucy’s skills, and she’s generally pretty balanced. Meanwhile, The Goul has put so many hours into the game that he’s OP, and likely has all his stats maxed out. The show is so good at incorporating game mechanics, and I tend to view each character as a different type of player: Lucy is a first-time player, who spreads their stats out a little too thin and tries to always make the “right” choice, but gradually discovers that they’re lacking in certain areas, and what they think is “right” isn’t always so obvious (I read her “okey-dokie’s” as her making decisions, and the change in tone over the course of the show reflects her “learning the game”). The Goul has been playing the game for so long (he does it “for the love of the game”) that he’s lost any real moral compass, and abuses the game mechanics (he shoots up Filly and murders half a dozen people, but makes sure to pay for the tomatoes). And Maximus just wants to be as strong as possible (he wants to “hurt the people who hurt him”), but unfortunately the first faction he encountered was the Brotherhood, and he’s so unbalanced that he never really advances beyond having high strength/health/endurance because he’s constantly getting the s**t kicked out of him. Without giving any spoilers, the Brotherhood is probably the worst faction for him to put all his trust into the more we learn about his past.
@@wanderingidle4848 You do realize you can apply stats to any character in any show? How could a character be built around the fact physical / personality traits exist? How could you create a character that would fit into the special system anyway? Youre way too invested in this, please touch a single blade of grass.
@@wanderingidle4848 I think someone made a comment on their last video that said it best: Lucy mirrors first time players to the Fallout games. Maximus is someone who has spent a little time playing the games. And The Ghoul is a veteran player than understands the ins/outs of the games and knows how to play their most efficiently.
one of my favorit episodes. a few players from fallout 76 has rebuild fillys marked and the fight in the game from this episode. its very impressive! Also in terms of the Ghoul, he is in my opinion a very "grey" character for the fallout universe, like the most characters you meet in the games
A number of easter eggs in this episode. The dog is one, the armor getting stuck (bug from one of the early fallout games) and the big gun (Junk Jet) also a hint back to the first episode in the graveyard. Honestly one of the best written shows this year.
My favorite part of this episode aside from the Ghoul is seeing a guy in power armor running from a bear yelling "fuckfuckfuck". Thats some peak looking at a player character too deep into their own hype to know what to do when they're outmatched. Well, save that for players, That scenario usually involves one to five deathclaws chasing you down.
The exact moment you pray you remembered to wear the armour with the jet pack. Unfortunately in New Vegas theres a quarry, a pack of death claws and no jet packs.
I've only played Fallout 4 so far, but in that game, a character's stats are referred to as their S.P.E.C.I.A.L., Strength, Perception, Endurance, Charisma, Intelligence, Agility, and Luck. Maximus seems to have low intelligence and very high luck. High luck allows a character to purchase a skill named "Idiot Savant" which can get them out of sticky situations, and actually works more often the lower the character's Intelligence. I agree with your overall assessment of Lucy and The Ghoul's stats. I've enjoyed your reactions and I think you'll both enjoy the rest of the series.
20 seconds in: Shit! This is the puppy killing episode. Okay, well it's over fast and then the rest of the episode should be fine. 20 minutes in: Shit!
* Lucy - Naive Hero, i.e Luke Skywalker. * The Ghoul - Cynical antihero, i.e Han Solo. * Maximus - Frustrated Hero, i.e Anakin Skywalker (pre-Darth). Frustrated Heroes are the hardest to like, because they're ambiguous. They want to do good, but have their ambitions denied by their circumstances, and can either redeem themselves and break free, or....not, at which point they turn bad.
you mean the Brotherhood that strayed from the intended path? ( I'm not taking a jab at them, I admire Elder Lyons putting the people first), it is funny though, that the only branch of the Brotherhood that were kind of seen as "good" were the ones who deviated from the originally intended goals.
The one thing that is missing in this series is the amazing radio hosts Three Dog (Fallout 3) and M. New Vegas (Fallout: New Vegas). They give amazing performances that you can listen to thru out your campaign. They serve as news source as well on the actions of your character where they will have news segments and tell the people of the wasteland what happened and how you were involved in it.
Wilzig is an interesting character. He not only has a lot of inside knowledge of the vaults, he talks as though he was part of Vaulttec before the apocalypse, saying he was surprised Plan D wasn't more popular, as though he was around when it was being sold.
29:30 Beth hit the nail right on the head for Wilzig's employer. They say it in the first episode I think, but he worked for the Enclave. And, if you remember your Fallout lore, you know it doesn't get much more violent and authoritarian than them, except for Caesar's Legion maybe. Glad to see you're still willing to watch the show after the opening to this episode, looking forward to the rest of the season!
Never thought I'd get a philosophy lesson on a Fallout reaction. The Ghoul is ego without pride. (Or at least, that's how he appears so far.) I like that. You know you're a badass but also know that you can't do everything on your own.
To be fair, the ghoul didn't go out of his way to kill the dog (CX-404). He only hurt her to protect himself from being attacked. Then he fixed her up. So I call it a wash on hurting the dog.
@@charlie53echo fair, but did both reasons weighted equality in his mind when he made the decision ? Had he not had a use for the dog, would he have spent the precious ressource that is a steampack on it ? Depending on which was the main reason the ghoul saved the dog, his morality leans by that much one way the another.
@@bouboulroz I see what you're saying. My point was made to help keep an open mind regarding the ghoul. The best arguments for my point all rely on spoilers for the rest of the show, so I'll leave it alone.
@@charlie53echo I think I know what you are refering to, and not spoiling is also the reason I don't go into the details, but I still reached the conclusion that his action, at this point in time at least, were mostly motivated by his own interests.
@@internaut4257 That's what they were trying for, but they underestimated how black-and-white much of our culture had become. So many people decide 'Maximus = bad', and that's it.
I know its not right to laugh at other peoples misfortune but I absolutely laughed my ass off at yall's reaction to the puppy incinerator. Its quite possibly the worst thing anyone could ever imagine, and knowing Bethany's soft spot for dogs made it 10x funnier.
Allllright, now. Like, I get it; dog people n all that. But you can’t tell me that if a dog is trying to rip out your throat that you wouldn’t fight back. And the only way to fight off an animal is to cripple it or kill it.
Honestly, the whole Maximus feeling compared to the other two main characters is something a lot of people felt. He’s definitely the weakest but I think as the show progresses and you guys see him more. You’ll like him :), I loved all the characters from the start.
Love that we get the classic western trio The good - goody two shoes Lucy The bad - the bad squire/knight Maximus And the ugly ghoul, ugly in face and ugly behaviour and things usually end up getting ugly when he shows up. The ghoul is obviously a high level game character High accuracy (the slow motion shots are straight out of V.A.T.S), definetly has the bloody mess perk, tons of hp to tank those shots and like a true fallout game, he stops mid fight to eat and regain health.
Most of the Fallout games have a karma system entwined within the RPG nature of the game. The player's ultimate karma is built upon the choices they make throughout the game. I felt like in the show they gave us a starting point for all three karmic positions as some perspective. Lucy is undoubtedly good, The Ghoul is certainly bad, and Maximus seems to skirt the line in the neutral karma range. Of course with how Fallout goes, sometimes the moral choice isn't exactly obvious, or easy, and sometimes, well, you just gotta survive baby.
@@alicea3421 For the big ticket story beats yeah sure. But there are plenty of interactions scattered into the world with a lot more nuanced interactions that are not nearly as straightforward.
this episode is full of fan service -that model player turret is crazy inaccurate. -Lucy not putting the gun away when starting a conversation. most players do not ever put there guns away. -Max getting stuck on the ground. games have bugs.
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I can't get over how negatively some people just see everything Maximus says or does, and gotta admit, it makes watching some reactions a bit painful. The dude just isn't a super brave bad ass without flaw, and maybe not the smartest or most mature dude after being raised by a military cult, and being bullied every day. Doesn't mean everything he says is a lie and everything he does is awful and senseless.
it's intentional on the directors' part. We start out seeing everything like Lucy does; everyone up top is uncivilized and in need of teaching, everyone from the vault is good. They do such a good job of slowly turning that on its head
@@bulletsandbracelets4140 I really think the only flaw in the writing is that they underestimated how reluctant people are to change their minds.A lot of people stick with that opinion through the whole series and disregard all the future events rather than alter their opinion.
@@Scyth0r I would say that, that would be a personnel problem though, if a person isn't willing to look passed pre conceived notions on people i.e.: Vault dwellers good, wastelanders bad, Brotherhood Borderline Nazi's, then that is ones own fault.
@@Scyth0r Just a reminder that you answered a question of "what's this character's goal here?" with "You mustn't understand what electricity is capable of due to your first world privilege." Yet another thing you misinterpreted. What caused that? Reluctance? Bad faith? Lack of comprehension of her or the show? Do you want to change your mind? There's no arguing you were wrong there. It shouldn't be difficult to admit that. Your "opinion abput" her character never seemed to change across every comment I saw you make on her videos. You denied objective criticism, you denied reality because you had made up your mind that the only flaw in the writing is the audience.
There is a small animated series y'all should watch that came with the show after the series, it goes a bit more indepth into the background world as is very well done. It explains a few things, including that bottle you saw at 4:00, which was literally their "low cost" options, which was literally just "well if you can't afford a vault, you can afford a quick painless death for you and your family!" Plan D, brought up again at 27:00! Yep, same thing that family took lol
The universe of Fallout is the definition of the word, its more unforgiving than the real world, you probably enjoyed the other characters back storys, The turret is an old faithful much like an AK-47 and you need to remember that ammo, parts and raw materials are hard to come by so automatically defends are in disrepair, Ive noticed Bucky seems a lot more grumpy lately, hopefully just camera shy
I can say that this episode really branch out the Fallout game into live action being a very spot on with the location and story progression. Like Philly looks amazing in this show that it feels like a theme park to walk around and explore 😄 till later we get to see a nod to the game with Ghoul doing “V.A.T.S” to the merchants. Aka the type of mode in the game that slow-down kill camera shots to be stylish looking for your eyes to witness. 😲 So with that said, I can say that each episode have a unique credit scene that changes over each episode and have iconic music from the game history or it shares information on what the episode carries in a song within storytelling.
Not sure if you’ve recognised her but Ella Purnell, the lead actress, has played a leading role in another series you’ve reacted to on this channel before.
Maximus definitely has low charisma and intelligence 😆 I feel like his view of the brotherhood is very much not what the brotherhood is but what it should be. It was originally founded to both preserve prewar tech and defend the defenceless.
There is a theory about why Maximus is the way he is in the show and therefore his lack of charisma or empathy for his character is on purpose. I won't put it here in case you don't want that information but I'm (and I'm sure plenty of others) happy to share it if you do. I think you might appreciate him more as the series goes on without that influence however. Also I'm unsure if that theory has been confirmed or not.
You guys should react to kingdom hearts cutscenes they have like 5 6 games feel like you guys would really enjoy it plus many characters that you will recognize
I think here lies a lot of the problems people had with this series, this isn't a major spoiler, but the show is taking place at the end of the established timeline, after Fallout 1/ Fallout 2 and Fallout NV and things have definitely changed. In Fallout 1, the Brotherhood were the top-dogs being remnants of the military and having access to all the good tech, but didn't want to rule over the Wastes, just remove its worst factors and control the outcome of technology falling into the wrong hands, in Fallout 2 the NCR started to expand with President Tandi at the reins and the Brotherhood and burgeoning NCR shared pretty warm relations, until their territories start butting up against each other. Just before Fallout NV they're off the back of a bitter war in which the Brotherhood has lost pretty decisively and are on their way out with the NCR at the peak of their power while the NCR controls California and a good amount of Utah and Nevada, the BoS is on the run and in hiding, trying to keep their mission pure, refusing to adapt and is more concerned with survival than their original charter of keeping the Wastes safe from themselves by going out and preserving technology, this preservationist attitude is what causes the Dead Money DLC with the Sierra Madre and Elijah looking to control the deadly gas to rule the wastelands. Meanwhile during Fallout 4, a giant chunk of the Brotherhood builds an airship and goes East to Boston, but under Arthur Maxson, descendant of the founder here unlike most Chapters of the Brotherhood, they see the Commonwealth as a territory to be ruled over and controlled, signalling the slow veer off-course from what the Brotherhood was originally mandated to do, it's a somewhat fascist regime and while they stilla re looking out for humanity, any mutant, ghoul or synth will surely suffer under their oversight. You're seeing what the BoS have become now at the end of the road, after their ugly multi generational fall into decay. After seeing them first as honorable quasi-religious knights, then altruistic saviors of the East under Elder Lyons and then a broken ramshackle cluster of disparate enclaves just looking out for themselves this is what it's come to. I think it signifies something cool about Fallout that Bethesda never really recognized before, the need for the factions to change over time.
You didn't end up saying what the problem was. That it changed too much? That it didn't? It's odd you say "the need for factions to change over time... never really recognized before" after you explained how they've changed across every game. The Fallout version of change is the same as TFA's, a reset of the status quo. There is no logical progression or continuation for the factions or the world. NCR got starkillered in the writer's room. They hardly exist anymore, despite the explanation for that making no sense in universe. (The means being even more embarrassing and even less believable.) Change could have been great, unanticipated logically inconsistent change to serve the purpose of no change, is just really boring. Most of which wouldn't matter to most people, if the show itself were written with any degree of competency. Continuity is of course important both in isolation and sequential media. Alien 3 could have been a good movie, even for people that hadn't seen Aliens. In the case of Fallout there are so many problems to address that it feels like it only really embellishes its more immediate flaws. If the writers are incapable of adhering to consistent character logic, it's only expected for that to translate elsewhere. Knowing nothing of Fallout lore, it should not be surprising that they're loose and liberal with it. Adherence to source material doesn't even need to be important, LotR doesn't need the scouring of the Shire to be a masterpiece. Claiming continuity opens the work up to criticism in that regard. One of the only things I liked about Fallout was the implied merge or recruitment of Legion individuals by the Brotherhood or a Brotherhood chapter. Maybe merely only adoption of Legion methods, though evidence implies more. However I was told by Fallout lore fans that it could not have happened. I'll always avoid writing for the writers. "Art isn't subjective" etc. But there seems to be enough evidence in the show for it to be intentional and one of the few instances of anything that they didn't immediately contradict. Maybe it doesn't quite work in continuity with the timeline of NV, but it's functional enough.
Michael Rappaport as Titus was a brilliant cameo! this show is so good at developing the characters, all 3 of the main ones, Lucy, Maximus and The Ghoul they are more complicated than they first appear to be the scene when Lucy is giving that speech to the Ghoul, and ends with a line something like "use of force is justified" is (to me) 100% a reference to the show Justified that Walton Goggins (the Ghoul) was in with Timothy Olyphant
The Fallout series on Prime is great, but I don't understand why they put explicit sexual scenes, nudity and sex? It's unnecessary and I don't understand why Hollywood now puts those scenes in this day and age and they are unnecessary and uncomfortable 😞 What do you think? I hope to hear your opinion and response!
I mean, it's the same reason why they have blood, gore and dozens of murder scenes. It's a mature rated show and it would make sense for a franchise like Fallout to have everything in it R rated and not hold back.
@@BlueSkullXI understand you perfectly, but I wanted to know the opinion of one of the two people who are in the video, because I don't understand why Hollywood continues to put explicit sexual scenes, nudity and unnecessary sex! That is very sensitive in many countries.
It's a terrible show, but explicit scenes can be fine. Ill implemented slop shock scenes ala The Boys are just incompetence on display. They believe they're setting an absurd comically extreme tone, but in the case of episode 1 of Fallout, it's tone-deaf and never addressed. Even worsening the more information is revealed. tl;dr Bad writing.
Why does it make you uncomfortable. It's a fairly natural thing. And it's not a new thing. Shows have toned things down compared to movies from the 70s and 80s and cable TV from the 80s and early 90s.
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The turret model in the show is based off the one from Fallouts 4 and 76, they are NOTORIOUSLY bad at hitting anything moving faster than a regular walk, so the whole "please remain calm" sign is a ploy to keep people slow enough that the turret can actually hit them.
That’s a cool detail 🙂
yeah and sometimes they even shot at friendly npc like the traders that visit your camp in Fallout 76, but beside that, i would like to have that type with the "please remain calm" screen in the game.
Maximus is a pretty terrible squire, but he was right to question Titus on the vertibird. He swore first to the Brotherhood, second to the mission, and only third to his knight.
Maximus drives me crazy, but he's better than Titus, Titus was total garbage.
@@lucianaromulus1408 Yeah. Maximus is immature but Titus was just a bully who found a place where he could beat on people.
Every scene for Maximus: "Mission Failed Successfully!"
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Dude has points in only luck and endurance...
2:56 *Seeing as that is modeled off of the basic turret from Fallout 4, honestly pretty faithful from the one in the game, especially regarding accuracy*
It's great this series has so many easter eggs like that for people that played the games but still make it enjoyable for those that haven't 😀
Yep, never bothered building a Mk1 in the game... Those turrets suck.
Ella Purnell, the woman who plays Lucy, said she envisioned Lucy as "Ned Flanders in the Apocalypse."
😂 she played that role perfectly and that is great inspiration
the guy who played the story teller from the animated fallout you watched has sadly passed away from cancer
May he rest in peace. 🕊️
@@krewl1252 I heard that rest in peace.
That was rough to hear.
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Wut animated fallout?
As far as your question about whether it's the character of Maximus or the actor that's making you feel iffy, it's the character. These characters were written with game stats in mind (literally; I'm not just guessing there, it's been stated. AND Bethesda even released stat sheets for the characters in the show to give better insight into who they are). We got hints at which stats Lucy's points are placed into in her introduction (and fans of the games will have recognized those when they were mentioned). With Maximus, if you've played the games, it's fairly clear that his points are focused on Strength and Endurance, with a focus on melee fighting (which is why he can take so many beatings and get back up to keep fighting), but his lowest stats are Intelligence and Charisma. If the show were the game, he'd be constantly failing speech checks (saying the wrong things, not communicating his intentions (or innocence) properly, etc) and making the wrong/dumb choices, which are both things we've already seen happen several times in these first two episodes. Also, he comes off as a bit of a dud. This is intentional. Obviously, I'm not going to spoil anything, so I'll just say that once you've seen the whole season, you'll realize that the actor who's playing Maximus is absolutely killing it in the role. You're feeling about Maximus exactly the way you're meant to be feeling about Maximus at this point in the show.
I'll add that, when I first watched the series, I felt the same way early on. For the first few episodes, I kept thinking, "Wow, this show is great, but I wish they would've cast someone else as Maximus bc this guy is the weak link." Over the course of the season, he grew on me and, by the end, I understood exactly what I said to you in the first paragraph of this comment. Everyone in this show delivered exactly what their characters are supposed to be and the pacing of how everything unveils itself is immaculate.
Will Max ever be your favorite character in the show? Probably not. Lucy's awesome and the Ghoul is a top-tier character, so they're going to be most people's favorites. But Max is a good representation of a companion character from the games and the actor is actually really, really good at playing exactly what Maximus is. Go back and watch the scene from ep 1 where the Brotherhood is interrogating him over Aspirant Dane's foot injury (the razor in the boot) and watch the complex series of emotions that plays over his face during the interrogation, but especially right after the guy names him Knight Titus's new squire and they leave him alone in the room. The face journey he takes is a masterclass in acting. It's not the actor who's a bit of a dullard. It's the character.
OH! And one last thing: Of the stuff you've seen so far with Maximus, there is a place to begin to hook in with him beyond what you mentioned: Disillusionment.
- Him being bullied by his fellow aspirants isn't just about him being victimized, it actively goes against what the Brotherhood is supposedly about. When he's being interrogated over Aspirant Dane's injury, the Cleric tells him, "Violence is a tool. We use it to bring order to the Wasteland, but violence against a Brother of Steel is a sign of weakness." Yet, Max is actively getting bullied every day and no one is doing a thing about it.
- When he gets a question wrong in the classroom, the instructor hits him in the face with a ruler and tells him he'd be more useful as a corpse.
- When the Brotherhood think Max may have hurt aspirant Dane because the people who bully him claim he did it, he's put into an interrogation that feels very threatening with a Knight standing behind him, ready to crush his head in a hot second if they don't like his answers. No trial, no due process of any kind, just his life subject to being ended at any moment at their whim.
- Several times, we've seen flashbacks of little kid Max amidst rubble, smiling up at a heroic looking Knight stepping out of the smoke. Max's hero! And yet...
- When Max squires for an actual Knight for the first time, the Knight is a complete dick ("I'm bored and I want to shoot something"), a coward who would send his unarmored squire into the cave to investigate rather than go in himself, and, once again, a dick (blaming Max for his own stupidity and indicating that he's going to tell the Brotherhood it's Max's fault, leading to them executing him for his supposed failure). It's a "never meet your heroes" moment.
Max is similar to Lucy in this way. Lucy believes in the mission of the Vault and her belief is crashing against the reality of life above ground. Max believes in the mission of the Brotherhood, but his belief is crashing against the reality of what the Brotherhood actually is vs. what he thought it was.
This right here is spot on about Max. I started to come around on him when i realized he's just trying to be the Knight he's always had in his head that's there to help people
Very well-stated. I'm actually surprised that so many people miss that Max' character is the surface equivalent of Lucy's - two opposites that bracket the theme expressed with great foreboding by Wilzig in the beginning of the episode.
I never knew that they put out official stats, but I’ve always said that Maximus is very obviously a strength build, with low intelligence and charisma (him having to sell a tooth because he’s one bottlecap short is such a perfect example of him having zero charisma).
We get a sense of Lucy’s skills, and she’s generally pretty balanced.
Meanwhile, The Goul has put so many hours into the game that he’s OP, and likely has all his stats maxed out.
The show is so good at incorporating game mechanics, and I tend to view each character as a different type of player:
Lucy is a first-time player, who spreads their stats out a little too thin and tries to always make the “right” choice, but gradually discovers that they’re lacking in certain areas, and what they think is “right” isn’t always so obvious (I read her “okey-dokie’s” as her making decisions, and the change in tone over the course of the show reflects her “learning the game”).
The Goul has been playing the game for so long (he does it “for the love of the game”) that he’s lost any real moral compass, and abuses the game mechanics (he shoots up Filly and murders half a dozen people, but makes sure to pay for the tomatoes).
And Maximus just wants to be as strong as possible (he wants to “hurt the people who hurt him”), but unfortunately the first faction he encountered was the Brotherhood, and he’s so unbalanced that he never really advances beyond having high strength/health/endurance because he’s constantly getting the s**t kicked out of him. Without giving any spoilers, the Brotherhood is probably the worst faction for him to put all his trust into the more we learn about his past.
@@wanderingidle4848 You do realize you can apply stats to any character in any show? How could a character be built around the fact physical / personality traits exist? How could you create a character that would fit into the special system anyway? Youre way too invested in this, please touch a single blade of grass.
@@wanderingidle4848 I think someone made a comment on their last video that said it best: Lucy mirrors first time players to the Fallout games. Maximus is someone who has spent a little time playing the games. And The Ghoul is a veteran player than understands the ins/outs of the games and knows how to play their most efficiently.
one of my favorit episodes. a few players from fallout 76 has rebuild fillys marked and the fight in the game from this episode. its very impressive!
Also in terms of the Ghoul, he is in my opinion a very "grey" character for the fallout universe, like the most characters you meet in the games
A number of easter eggs in this episode. The dog is one, the armor getting stuck (bug from one of the early fallout games) and the big gun (Junk Jet) also a hint back to the first episode in the graveyard. Honestly one of the best written shows this year.
Also the guy drinking Lucy's water, in the game when you eat/drink something, you consume the whole thing in one go, there's no saving some for later.
I personally love they go full video game with the Stimpacks with the instant heal.
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The Ghoul might have the Bloody Mess perk (card) learned/equipped according to how his opponents often end up
The scientist defector Wilzig was actually in the first Saw movie.
He also played Ben Linus in the TV show "Lost"
I misread this at first as Wilzig saw the movie. Spaceballs style.
I first saw him in "Person of Interest".
We remember him most from Lost 🙂
My favorite part of this episode aside from the Ghoul is seeing a guy in power armor running from a bear yelling "fuckfuckfuck". Thats some peak looking at a player character too deep into their own hype to know what to do when they're outmatched. Well, save that for players, That scenario usually involves one to five deathclaws chasing you down.
The exact moment you pray you remembered to wear the armour with the jet pack.
Unfortunately in New Vegas theres a quarry, a pack of death claws and no jet packs.
@@voiceofraisin3778 Not just a quarry area, but also a hidden sanctuary filled with even more of them in a much smaller area.
I've only played Fallout 4 so far, but in that game, a character's stats are referred to as their S.P.E.C.I.A.L., Strength, Perception, Endurance, Charisma, Intelligence, Agility, and Luck. Maximus seems to have low intelligence and very high luck. High luck allows a character to purchase a skill named "Idiot Savant" which can get them out of sticky situations, and actually works more often the lower the character's Intelligence. I agree with your overall assessment of Lucy and The Ghoul's stats. I've enjoyed your reactions and I think you'll both enjoy the rest of the series.
It’s cool they brought in the stats for the characters. The actor playing Maximus seems to really utilize it 🙂
In this episode Wilzig IMO sums up all the character arcs with "Will you still want the same things when you become a different animal altogether"
20 seconds in: Shit! This is the puppy killing episode. Okay, well it's over fast and then the rest of the episode should be fine.
20 minutes in: Shit!
* Lucy - Naive Hero, i.e Luke Skywalker.
* The Ghoul - Cynical antihero, i.e Han Solo.
* Maximus - Frustrated Hero, i.e Anakin Skywalker (pre-Darth).
Frustrated Heroes are the hardest to like, because they're ambiguous. They want to do good, but have their ambitions denied by their circumstances, and can either redeem themselves and break free, or....not, at which point they turn bad.
11:26 It depends on which Brotherhood you are looking at. The one in Fallout 3 was decent.
you mean the Brotherhood that strayed from the intended path? ( I'm not taking a jab at them, I admire Elder Lyons putting the people first), it is funny though, that the only branch of the Brotherhood that were kind of seen as "good" were the ones who deviated from the originally intended goals.
The armor made that guy sound a lot cooler than he actually was.
The one thing that is missing in this series is the amazing radio hosts Three Dog (Fallout 3) and M. New Vegas (Fallout: New Vegas). They give amazing performances that you can listen to thru out your campaign. They serve as news source as well on the actions of your character where they will have news segments and tell the people of the wasteland what happened and how you were involved in it.
I didn't even notice that it's the implied the family of skeletons all ate that poison during the bombings
In later episodes you will understand his feelings on dogs
Wilzig is an interesting character. He not only has a lot of inside knowledge of the vaults, he talks as though he was part of Vaulttec before the apocalypse, saying he was surprised Plan D wasn't more popular, as though he was around when it was being sold.
29:30 Beth hit the nail right on the head for Wilzig's employer. They say it in the first episode I think, but he worked for the Enclave. And, if you remember your Fallout lore, you know it doesn't get much more violent and authoritarian than them, except for Caesar's Legion maybe. Glad to see you're still willing to watch the show after the opening to this episode, looking forward to the rest of the season!
Never thought I'd get a philosophy lesson on a Fallout reaction. The Ghoul is ego without pride. (Or at least, that's how he appears so far.) I like that. You know you're a badass but also know that you can't do everything on your own.
Glad we could give you something different on this reaction 😁🤗
I can't see Michael Emerson without thinking of Ben Linus from Lost.
Harold (current bird of choice) from Person of interest for me!
To be fair, the ghoul didn't go out of his way to kill the dog (CX-404). He only hurt her to protect himself from being attacked. Then he fixed her up. So I call it a wash on hurting the dog.
But he also fixed her up so he could use her to track his target, not because it was the right thing to do.
@@bouboulroz Two things can be true.
@@charlie53echo fair, but did both reasons weighted equality in his mind when he made the decision ? Had he not had a use for the dog, would he have spent the precious ressource that is a steampack on it ? Depending on which was the main reason the ghoul saved the dog, his morality leans by that much one way the another.
@@bouboulroz I see what you're saying. My point was made to help keep an open mind regarding the ghoul. The best arguments for my point all rely on spoilers for the rest of the show, so I'll leave it alone.
@@charlie53echo I think I know what you are refering to, and not spoiling is also the reason I don't go into the details, but I still reached the conclusion that his action, at this point in time at least, were mostly motivated by his own interests.
I still hope you guys see the PVs and Trailers for both Reverse 1999 and Goddess of Victory - Nikke.
without spoilers, I despised Maximus in the first couple of episodes. He does make improvements and by the end i really loved his arc.
i like how to keep ambiguous if he put the razorblade in dane's boot or not, makes you not sure how to feel about him right from the start
@@internaut4257 That's what they were trying for, but they underestimated how black-and-white much of our culture had become. So many people decide 'Maximus = bad', and that's it.
I know its not right to laugh at other peoples misfortune but I absolutely laughed my ass off at yall's reaction to the puppy incinerator. Its quite possibly the worst thing anyone could ever imagine, and knowing Bethany's soft spot for dogs made it 10x funnier.
Allllright, now. Like, I get it; dog people n all that.
But you can’t tell me that if a dog is trying to rip out your throat that you wouldn’t fight back. And the only way to fight off an animal is to cripple it or kill it.
Honestly, the whole Maximus feeling compared to the other two main characters is something a lot of people felt. He’s definitely the weakest but I think as the show progresses and you guys see him more. You’ll like him :), I loved all the characters from the start.
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best underdog is IMO Norm tho for his intuitiveness
I feel like its a hidden bias bc of he was like a handsome Chris Pine I feel people would actually see him for the complex figure he is
The auto gun was a terrible shot because of a bug in the programming that Wilzig took advantage of.
I bet they keep a bag full of bottlecaps under their bed.. just in case xD
How you both liking the series so far ? I can't wait for season 2
Me too
Really enjoying it 🙂
Love that we get the classic western trio
The good - goody two shoes Lucy
The bad - the bad squire/knight Maximus
And the ugly ghoul, ugly in face and ugly behaviour and things usually end up getting ugly when he shows up.
The ghoul is obviously a high level game character
High accuracy (the slow motion shots are straight out of V.A.T.S), definetly has the bloody mess perk, tons of hp to tank those shots and like a true fallout game, he stops mid fight to eat and regain health.
lol, was your dog growling every time CX404 was on screen?
The hook is, he balances on good or evil, right or wrong. He could go either way with one choice.
Most of the Fallout games have a karma system entwined within the RPG nature of the game. The player's ultimate karma is built upon the choices they make throughout the game. I felt like in the show they gave us a starting point for all three karmic positions as some perspective. Lucy is undoubtedly good, The Ghoul is certainly bad, and Maximus seems to skirt the line in the neutral karma range. Of course with how Fallout goes, sometimes the moral choice isn't exactly obvious, or easy, and sometimes, well, you just gotta survive baby.
Fallout is the epitome of obvious easy moral choices.
"Nuke this town because it obscures my view of the horizon." or "Don't murder everyone".
@@alicea3421 For the big ticket story beats yeah sure. But there are plenty of interactions scattered into the world with a lot more nuanced interactions that are not nearly as straightforward.
this episode is full of fan service
-that model player turret is crazy inaccurate.
-Lucy not putting the gun away when starting a conversation. most players do not ever put there guns away.
-Max getting stuck on the ground. games have bugs.
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My favorite episode imho.
Jesus
I can't get over how negatively some people just see everything Maximus says or does, and gotta admit, it makes watching some reactions a bit painful. The dude just isn't a super brave bad ass without flaw, and maybe not the smartest or most mature dude after being raised by a military cult, and being bullied every day. Doesn't mean everything he says is a lie and everything he does is awful and senseless.
it's intentional on the directors' part. We start out seeing everything like Lucy does; everyone up top is uncivilized and in need of teaching, everyone from the vault is good. They do such a good job of slowly turning that on its head
@@bulletsandbracelets4140 I really think the only flaw in the writing is that they underestimated how reluctant people are to change their minds.A lot of people stick with that opinion through the whole series and disregard all the future events rather than alter their opinion.
@@Scyth0r I would say that, that would be a personnel problem though, if a person isn't willing to look passed pre conceived notions on people i.e.: Vault dwellers good, wastelanders bad, Brotherhood Borderline Nazi's, then that is ones own fault.
@@Scyth0r Just a reminder that you answered a question of "what's this character's goal here?" with
"You mustn't understand what electricity is capable of due to your first world privilege."
Yet another thing you misinterpreted. What caused that? Reluctance? Bad faith? Lack of comprehension of her or the show?
Do you want to change your mind? There's no arguing you were wrong there. It shouldn't be difficult to admit that.
Your "opinion abput" her character never seemed to change across every comment I saw you make on her videos. You denied objective criticism, you denied reality because you had made up your mind that the only flaw in the writing is the audience.
Quick way to have new people get how to feel about the Enclave without a long backstory exposition about how horrible they are: Puppy Oven
I cant believe bucky fell asleep watching fallout lol!
Loved your reactions, as you can see i have become a member 😀
Welcome aboard! 🥳🥳
There is a small animated series y'all should watch that came with the show after the series, it goes a bit more indepth into the background world as is very well done.
It explains a few things, including that bottle you saw at 4:00, which was literally their "low cost" options, which was literally just "well if you can't afford a vault, you can afford a quick painless death for you and your family!"
Plan D, brought up again at 27:00! Yep, same thing that family took lol
the family took the bulk which was liquid rather than a capsule
I really do not like Maksimus either, his actor is great though; he is this humble, kind guy living in Iceland.
I hate the character but he's acting the hell out of it. Can't like every character
"not as good as the first episode" is crazy most people, even haters of the show, agree it improves here
The universe of Fallout is the definition of the word, its more unforgiving than the real world, you probably enjoyed the other characters back storys,
The turret is an old faithful much like an AK-47 and you need to remember that ammo, parts and raw materials are hard to come by so automatically defends are in disrepair,
Ive noticed Bucky seems a lot more grumpy lately, hopefully just camera shy
I can say that this episode really branch out the Fallout game into live action being a very spot on with the location and story progression. Like Philly looks amazing in this show that it feels like a theme park to walk around and explore 😄 till later we get to see a nod to the game with Ghoul doing “V.A.T.S” to the merchants. Aka the type of mode in the game that slow-down kill camera shots to be stylish looking for your eyes to witness. 😲
So with that said, I can say that each episode have a unique credit scene that changes over each episode and have iconic music from the game history or it shares information on what the episode carries in a song within storytelling.
Yeah we’ve been enjoying the end credit but with the different music and scene 🙂
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames that’s good to hear 😄 as something about the music and end scene seems to be a nice touch
Not sure if you’ve recognised her but Ella Purnell, the lead actress, has played a leading role in another series you’ve reacted to on this channel before.
Don't have to be cryptic about it lol. They know very well who Jinx is from Arcane.
@@TheEclipse420 Ah but where’s the fun in outright saying it?
Did not recognize her voice but there was a familiarity to her that I couldn’t quite place. Which makes sense now 🤗
Rip to the voice actor of the story teller, may he forever roam
Damn 11 days ago, I didn't know this. RIP to him.
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Maximus definitely has low charisma and intelligence 😆 I feel like his view of the brotherhood is very much not what the brotherhood is but what it should be. It was originally founded to both preserve prewar tech and defend the defenceless.
There is a theory about why Maximus is the way he is in the show and therefore his lack of charisma or empathy for his character is on purpose. I won't put it here in case you don't want that information but I'm (and I'm sure plenty of others) happy to share it if you do. I think you might appreciate him more as the series goes on without that influence however. Also I'm unsure if that theory has been confirmed or not.
It kinda does, considering what his official charisma stat is, not bad but pretty in point for his character.
You guys should react to kingdom hearts cutscenes they have like 5 6 games feel like you guys would really enjoy it plus many characters that you will recognize
In the beginning the mark 1 turret being a horrible shot is a nod to the games. Those turrets are garbage 😂
I still think, that these turrets are the reason, one of my petsloth in fallout 76 have died, probably from another players camp ;(
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I think here lies a lot of the problems people had with this series, this isn't a major spoiler, but the show is taking place at the end of the established timeline, after Fallout 1/ Fallout 2 and Fallout NV and things have definitely changed. In Fallout 1, the Brotherhood were the top-dogs being remnants of the military and having access to all the good tech, but didn't want to rule over the Wastes, just remove its worst factors and control the outcome of technology falling into the wrong hands, in Fallout 2 the NCR started to expand with President Tandi at the reins and the Brotherhood and burgeoning NCR shared pretty warm relations, until their territories start butting up against each other. Just before Fallout NV they're off the back of a bitter war in which the Brotherhood has lost pretty decisively and are on their way out with the NCR at the peak of their power while the NCR controls California and a good amount of Utah and Nevada, the BoS is on the run and in hiding, trying to keep their mission pure, refusing to adapt and is more concerned with survival than their original charter of keeping the Wastes safe from themselves by going out and preserving technology, this preservationist attitude is what causes the Dead Money DLC with the Sierra Madre and Elijah looking to control the deadly gas to rule the wastelands. Meanwhile during Fallout 4, a giant chunk of the Brotherhood builds an airship and goes East to Boston, but under Arthur Maxson, descendant of the founder here unlike most Chapters of the Brotherhood, they see the Commonwealth as a territory to be ruled over and controlled, signalling the slow veer off-course from what the Brotherhood was originally mandated to do, it's a somewhat fascist regime and while they stilla re looking out for humanity, any mutant, ghoul or synth will surely suffer under their oversight.
You're seeing what the BoS have become now at the end of the road, after their ugly multi generational fall into decay. After seeing them first as honorable quasi-religious knights, then altruistic saviors of the East under Elder Lyons and then a broken ramshackle cluster of disparate enclaves just looking out for themselves this is what it's come to. I think it signifies something cool about Fallout that Bethesda never really recognized before, the need for the factions to change over time.
You didn't end up saying what the problem was. That it changed too much? That it didn't?
It's odd you say "the need for factions to change over time... never really recognized before" after you explained how they've changed across every game.
The Fallout version of change is the same as TFA's, a reset of the status quo. There is no logical progression or continuation for the factions or the world. NCR got starkillered in the writer's room. They hardly exist anymore, despite the explanation for that making no sense in universe. (The means being even more embarrassing and even less believable.) Change could have been great, unanticipated logically inconsistent change to serve the purpose of no change, is just really boring.
Most of which wouldn't matter to most people, if the show itself were written with any degree of competency.
Continuity is of course important both in isolation and sequential media. Alien 3 could have been a good movie, even for people that hadn't seen Aliens.
In the case of Fallout there are so many problems to address that it feels like it only really embellishes its more immediate flaws. If the writers are incapable of adhering to consistent character logic, it's only expected for that to translate elsewhere. Knowing nothing of Fallout lore, it should not be surprising that they're loose and liberal with it. Adherence to source material doesn't even need to be important, LotR doesn't need the scouring of the Shire to be a masterpiece. Claiming continuity opens the work up to criticism in that regard.
One of the only things I liked about Fallout was the implied merge or recruitment of Legion individuals by the Brotherhood or a Brotherhood chapter. Maybe merely only adoption of Legion methods, though evidence implies more. However I was told by Fallout lore fans that it could not have happened. I'll always avoid writing for the writers. "Art isn't subjective" etc. But there seems to be enough evidence in the show for it to be intentional and one of the few instances of anything that they didn't immediately contradict. Maybe it doesn't quite work in continuity with the timeline of NV, but it's functional enough.
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Michael Rappaport as Titus was a brilliant cameo!
this show is so good at developing the characters, all 3 of the main ones, Lucy, Maximus and The Ghoul
they are more complicated than they first appear to be
the scene when Lucy is giving that speech to the Ghoul, and ends with a line something like "use of force is justified" is (to me) 100% a reference to the show Justified that Walton Goggins (the Ghoul) was in with Timothy Olyphant
The Fallout series on Prime is great, but I don't understand why they put explicit sexual scenes, nudity and sex? It's unnecessary and I don't understand why Hollywood now puts those scenes in this day and age and they are unnecessary and uncomfortable 😞
What do you think?
I hope to hear your opinion and response!
I mean, it's the same reason why they have blood, gore and dozens of murder scenes. It's a mature rated show and it would make sense for a franchise like Fallout to have everything in it R rated and not hold back.
@@BlueSkullXI understand you perfectly, but I wanted to know the opinion of one of the two people who are in the video, because I don't understand why Hollywood continues to put explicit sexual scenes, nudity and unnecessary sex! That is very sensitive in many countries.
@@Gonzalo_Almendra It's either 1) part of the setting, or 2) makes money, or a combination of both. It's not rocket science.
It's a terrible show, but explicit scenes can be fine. Ill implemented slop shock scenes ala The Boys are just incompetence on display. They believe they're setting an absurd comically extreme tone, but in the case of episode 1 of Fallout, it's tone-deaf and never addressed. Even worsening the more information is revealed.
tl;dr
Bad writing.
Why does it make you uncomfortable. It's a fairly natural thing. And it's not a new thing. Shows have toned things down compared to movies from the 70s and 80s and cable TV from the 80s and early 90s.
15:09 those are not wrecks of spaceships but of airplanes, more precisely of F-4 Phantom
9:22 acts of Bravery, am I right?😂😂😂😂
I like reactions from people with a sense of humor...
10:31 sure let's be rude to the one person who literally is holding your life in his hands😒😒😒😒😒
Almost like the writing sucks and characters are just plot devices to achieve unearned mediocre payoffs.