There isn’t a ‘Game 7 Moment’ every year in any sport. Most of the time there isn’t a Game 7. The manipulation is a product of trying to manufacture that moment. Get rid of the playoffs.
@@fromage_collage it's oversaturation at this point. What made Kulwicki vs. Elliott 1992 and Stewart vs. Edwards 2011 so great was that it doesn't happen every year.
Indeed! Why did they go to a playoff system? To increase TV ratings in the fall because NASCAR ratings always decline after Aug. Did it work?....Nope and abject dismal failure with no significant ratings improvements. So it should be abandoned because it didn't work and the fans hate it, right? Nope, the Frances egos are on the line and they are always right and everyone else is an idiot hell bent on destroying their cash cow.
It’s ironic how under a full season format with the current points distribution you would will still have 4 drivers with a shot at the championship Larson, Elliott, Bell and Byron
Brett seemed visibly uncomfortable when Freddie was defending Bubba's 'tire going down.' Like watching a good friend trying to talk his way out of a really bad situation.
@@cmaszerowskidid you even watch the ep? Freddie was getting hot about it and understandable so. I haven’t heard yet but if bubba did actually have a problem which it looked like honestly. I would be hot if everyone was accusing him cheating when he isn’t even the one to do it anyways.
I guess. Except it's totally normalized in F1...expected, even. And it's not very normal in NASCAR, thus every single person who ever had an opinion about NASCAR losing their minds over the last 24 hours. So I think people can still make fun of F1. And also still like F1 because it is awesome. Just like NASCAR. Just like Indycar. Just like IMSA. Just like WoO. Just like every damn form of any kind of racing with a motor.
This is how innocent people get convicted of crimes. You're so convinced you know how someone will react when lying that you've already made up your mind. The truth is everyone reacts differently, and without any hard evidence we will never know for sure.
Playoffs need to change to 3 rounds, round of 16 with 3 races, round of 12 with 3 races, championship 8 with 4 races... Points reset with the final 8 and the most points win.
It needs to be changed for sure, but I'd just rather go back to the original Chase setup. Ten races prevents 1 poor result with really bad timing from a dominant season driver being eliminated, and if you can come back from waaaay back in points (like Stewart did when he won 5 of the final 10 races), then you deserve it.
also ryan is the only likeable guy in the final 4 reddick will chcok and ik damn well nascar doesnt want that car champion either joey shouldnt even be in it he got gifted byron if i was nascar come tomroww larson is in the final 4
@@NickyD You say that Tyler is not likeable but he the least abrasive of the 4. Dude just goes out and has a nice time and is kind to everybody. Blaney is cool too, but I see a ton of people dislike him because of how angry he gets on the radio during the race over trivial stuff. Not saying I agree, but I can see the point. Reddick is a clean driver who is an overall nice guy. No reason to dislike him.
I’m new to racing so this might be a bad analogy but I feel like blocking the track is like hard fouling someone so they don’t break a record, while giving someone a place is like helping your teammate break a record. Also I don’t like the idea of “manufacture team” like just because some other dude is in a Camaro and I’m in a Camaro but we’re on different teams I’m supposed to help him. I’ll help a teammate, not some dude in the same car as me
I listen every week to DBC and respect ALL involved/ But to Freddy that keeps trying to defend the 23, dont piss on my head and tell me its raining. be a grown man and own up to it.
NASCAR isn't a monopoly.. They have fundamental policies that fit the mold, but ultimately there no legal matter that limits anyone else from being in the market .
Nascar taking the Rear-Diffuser off those cars and having way less downforce plus the soft tire made the racing great. they need to remove the rear-diffuser at the superspeedways and see what happens
@@2jsalomonthey actually did. They had a modified diffuser that only had 2 strakes instead of their normal 8 I believe. Plus it was way smaller than in previous years
@nolandavis9040 ... soooo what you're telling me is... they didnt remove it? Hmm. Seems like i said that lol. Obvs im just bustin ya balls lol no ill will meant towards you or anything lol. I of course knew that they modified it.. but saying they removed it is just false no matter how you look at it lo
Denny Hamlin got got his throttle stuck from a piece of rubber from the tires. All race there was Giant pieces of rubber All over the track. Why didn't any spotter say" there's a loose tire,and giant tire marbles everywhere!" 🤷
Idea ! What if there is bye weeks. Top four drivers, first three rounds. goes from four drivers that get points that will decide who get the next weeks bye which goes to two drivers and then one driver gets a bye 3 round 🤷🏻♂️ still same format but the best drivers should have the best chance to make it.
Why does this remind me a bunch of high school students talking to the principal and their parents pleading their innocence saying they had nothing to do with the situation. 😂
Nobody is going to get suspended if any team gets something it’ll be the 3. The 1 never said stick to the plan or anything like that. 24 was running full tilt. And the 23 tire went down you can hear the pop in the in car and the car handled like shit after it.
You mean bring back the Winston cup system. I'd love to see that, but maybe not the same exact points per position that they had back then. Though I'd like to see a bigger point spread between the top 5 at least.
Look Freddie NOBODY believes that you are innocent. You are a disgrace. Just admit it like a man. You are no different than any of the others involved but STOP trying to defend yourself and claim innocence. Nut up bro.
You guys need to talk more about the team that give him a car to do that. Blaney is good but you give that car to 6 or 7 other drivers and you get the same thing. I wish they would give them HP and see who can really drive. Speed kills
@@jamieprosser3585If my uncle had wheels, he would’ve been a bike. The facts are the facts, and him changing the subject to hypotheticals instead of just answering the question “Did you manipulate the finish?” tells me all I need to know. He obviously can’t say what happened, and maybe Boodie saved Freddie by telling him to relay simple info to Bubba and letting Bubba do what needs to be done.
@@mcr2124 You don't think thr Chevy's influenced the finish? The fact there is no 'evidence' is because their blockade worked...and nobody passed the 24. The 23 was wrong but dont be so simple as to ignore the Chevy BS.
TJ said the last couple tracks favor Blaney. Which is part of the problem with this system. If Blaney wants to win a championship it shouldn't be in his favor. It should be a season long reward of consistency, every week should be in your favor to win a title. Just my opinion.
Man I love this show! Understand this......BEFORE this show.....not only would I have not KNOWN who the spotters were......I would not have KNOWN near as much as what they do!!!! WOW......GREAT SHOW!!!!!! THANK YALL SO MUCH....ALL OF YOU ROCK!!!!!!
I’m done after this season. How did all of us sitting in the couch see a tire rolling down the track, THE SMALL TRACK! But race control didn’t see it. And they throw the green flag, mix up the deserved order, and then put them back under caution. I promise you I’m done after this season.
@@brandonmckinney4434 check back with me then. I’m really done. I don’t really have the time to watch anyways so it really just gives me an excuse to be done with this shit. NASCAR has made horrible decisions
This "playoff" format DOES NOT reward the best, most consistent driver! There is too much "pot-luck" involved in who wins the championship. Look at wins, laps lead, top 5s, top 10s, playoff points even. None of the championship 4 lead in any of those categories! Also, there is a bit of an advantage having 1 race determine the championship. Surely, the championship competing drivers do not run Phoenix with the same ability or confidence at that track, giving advantage to someone. There needs to be a bit more to being the champion than a "green, white, checker" finish for the championship.
34 min mark. Did they just say Stewart Friesen to the 54? Elliott Sadler told Brett he was a hell of a Modified racer and awesome go cart racer. Friesen family owns Ransomville Speedway in Ny. He’s been doing steady in his Tundra and doesn’t tear up much 👀
CBell and CSmith had so many top fives in the playoffs, it's wild both won't make the final 4. Both would be championship favorites as they both won Phoenix in the spring. Now Almirola's 20 car is in on the owners side, and I think the 00 missed it.
Kyle Larson, Christopher Bell, Chase Elliot....statistically the best driver in NASCAR in 2024 and they are not in the championship race....YAY NASCAR!, YAY PLAYOFFS!...... yay INDY CAR cuz I'm sick of the playoffs.
Cry me a river Larson cost himself in the round of 8 and not making it to the coke 600 Elliott wrecked at Vegas ended his chance Bell got screwed cause of chevys manipulation
@@flagg6211 And none of that would have mattered except for the playoff system. If you like the system, great but understand you are one of the 10% of fans who do. Most fans of ANY motorsport want and have season long championships. NASCAR fans are the only ones who don't have real champions, just a guy who won a particular race in Phoenix.
@@markalbert9011 I don’t like this system but to say that logano, blaney, and reddick shouldn’t be in is stupid I don’t see them changing it but they should consider changing it from win and in what harvick said on his show would be better than right now
Dock each manufacturer 50 manf. points for each car that manipulated the race. Toyota -50 (#23) and Chevy -100 (#3, #1). That would kill their abilities to win and it costs them millions, especially since Chevy is about 40 pts ahead of Ford.
I mean you can’t blame the drivers or team they’re just doing what the manufacturers tell them and if they don’t listen to the manufacturer they’ll be consequences
I don't understand how they say Custer's move was OK. But Eckes was over the line. Eckes didn't wreck them. And bump and runs have existed for forever. And besides. It was cleaner than you usually see in the trucks
Gluck is so wrong in his take. Freddie is obvioisly biased but he is right. Not only did they slow down to not pass but the Chevys prevented others from passing.
The missed tire was in the end a huge deal for the final 4, bubba and bell would’ve been on the same lap and Byron would’ve been out when Hamlin passed him because bell was faster than bubba all day
What if you are afraid to pass someone because you know they are desperate for points, and you don't want to get wrecked? Does the 100 percent rule apply then?
Hey Brett seems like 50% of teams making the playoffs is standard in most professional sport leagues: NFL 14 Playoff teams of 32 teams, NBA 16 playoff teams of 30 teams, NHL 16 teams of 32 teams...
Here's what I don't understand also on the onboard you could get to pit road (the 23) as he's saying he has a potential tire problem and he didn't the track was wide open to the pit entrance
20, 24, 1, 3, 23, should be disqualified. 5 put in playoff. anything else and you lose all fairness. NASCAR should drop playoffs after this year please and drop stages. Thanks
Ain’t no one getting dq the only team that’ll get something is the 3 since they said something on the radio nothing suspicious on the 1 24 did nothing wrong and the 23 had a tire go down
NASCAR needs to have one person sit in front of a TV during the race and watch it the way we get to. Let them hear and see what is broadcast and see firsthand what could be considered sketchy. They could radio the booth and say sketchiness occurred. For this instance, put half a can of gas in both the 24 and 20 and bring them back out on the track on the tires they had and give them a 5 lap shootout. No other cars on the track. Just them two to figure it out. If Bell knocked the tow out with his wall ride, Byron will pass him for sure. Then NASCAR should fine the manufacturers $500k and each team 300 points for suspected race manipulation. Skirts the bad behavior from manufacturer team mates and allows pure racing to occur.
There isn’t a ‘Game 7 Moment’ every year in any sport. Most of the time there isn’t a Game 7. The manipulation is a product of trying to manufacture that moment. Get rid of the playoffs.
says who happened with the mets three times in the mlb playoffs and playoffs are in every sport get over it nascar always had major cheating issues
@@fromage_collage it's oversaturation at this point. What made Kulwicki vs. Elliott 1992 and Stewart vs. Edwards 2011 so great was that it doesn't happen every year.
Indeed!
Why did they go to a playoff system? To increase TV ratings in the fall because NASCAR ratings always decline after Aug. Did it work?....Nope and abject dismal failure with no significant ratings improvements.
So it should be abandoned because it didn't work and the fans hate it, right? Nope, the Frances egos are on the line and they are always right and everyone else is an idiot hell bent on destroying their cash cow.
Thank you for the common sense @@CKYmoto
It’s ironic how under a full season format with the current points distribution you would will still have 4 drivers with a shot at the championship Larson, Elliott, Bell and Byron
Freddie sitting there like he was caught doing something in school and is next up to go into the principals office 😂😂
Freddie talking so fast nervous as hell!!
Liars Can't Even Tell When Their Lies Are Getting Them In More Trouble
fake sport filled to the brim with elite corruption. over it.
yep he just got suspended nascar announced like 40 mins ago
same with the 1 and 3 spotter
and all 3 teams crew chiefs suspended
Here to see Freddy sweat
Brett seemed visibly uncomfortable when Freddie was defending Bubba's 'tire going down.' Like watching a good friend trying to talk his way out of a really bad situation.
because brett knows freddie is scrwed come tomroww freddie might actually get suspdned
@@NickyDFreddie didn’t do anything
NASCAR TOOK THE 23 CAR. WE WILL KNOW IF FREDDIE IS LYING. HE HIMSELF SAYS IT ALL THE TIME. JUST LIE. WE KNOW HE IS LYING.
He has been there still doing that.
@@DaveReece-u4b YOU SHOULD RE WATCH THE RACE.
Freddy seems more nervous than a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs. Got something on your conscious freddy?
Unusually quiet this episode for sure😂
@@cmaszerowskidid you even watch the ep? Freddie was getting hot about it and understandable so. I haven’t heard yet but if bubba did actually have a problem which it looked like honestly. I would be hot if everyone was accusing him cheating when he isn’t even the one to do it anyways.
Most people get a tad defensive when they get accused of something they’re innocent of….everything he said was factual 🤷♂️
@@RoDKnee_Kapp985 lol he was caught on the radio brett even didnt want to defend freddie
@@NickyD Lol did he ask if any other Toyota car knew the deal? 😳
One thing is for sure. Sunday was a sad day for NASCAR fans who make fun of F1 for team orders
I guess. Except it's totally normalized in F1...expected, even. And it's not very normal in NASCAR, thus every single person who ever had an opinion about NASCAR losing their minds over the last 24 hours. So I think people can still make fun of F1. And also still like F1 because it is awesome. Just like NASCAR. Just like Indycar. Just like IMSA. Just like WoO. Just like every damn form of any kind of racing with a motor.
f F1
Agree but at least in this case they aren’t ordering someone to give up a win. I would hope no driver in nascar would do that
Excellent point
I can't stand F1 and at this point I'd rather watch that than this pathetic crap
Freddie so full of shit!! You can clearly hear Bubba audio being upset about helping Toyotas!! They covered it all up with alleged car issues
freddie knows he is totally screwed and cant amdit it
in my opinion and my opinion only the France family has ruined nascar because of greed
He's Full Of It
There was nothing wrong with Bubba's tires or car. Lot's of suspensions, fines and points taken this afternoon! Freddy was one of them suspended.
Freddie is a little touchy you might say!
And Freddy gets suspended!
Freddie knew and broke the code...he can never complain about team orders
I am so tired of this playoff format.
It’s just dumb. Win and your in, playoff points, all of it
These plans for the race need to be made public so the gamblers have a fair chance of making winnning bets.
Kraft being grilled and getting worked up leaves no doubt.
he was so red and chatty
may get suspdneded
You ever been accused of something you truly didn't do? It's quite a maddening feeling.
This is how innocent people get convicted of crimes. You're so convinced you know how someone will react when lying that you've already made up your mind. The truth is everyone reacts differently, and without any hard evidence we will never know for sure.
@@jwheezy6999 YOU HAVE TO BE BLIND AND DEAF TO THINK HE DIDNT DO IT.
Freddy, Freddy Freddy. Do you really think anyone is going to change their mind. The more you talk, the deeper the hole
True
I've checked every hour on the hour.
Same
For what?
For this episode to drop to watch.
You can tell when Freddie is lying ,his lips are moving
True
Fine and suspend every crew chief, driver, and manufacturer involved in race manipulation. They have to make it hurt or it will keep happening
Well fine manufacturers, can’t really suspend them
@@nathanbritton6481 or ban chevy from the final four this and next year watch how fast it ends
Playoffs need to change to 3 rounds, round of 16 with 3 races, round of 12 with 3 races, championship 8 with 4 races... Points reset with the final 8 and the most points win.
It needs to be changed for sure, but I'd just rather go back to the original Chase setup. Ten races prevents 1 poor result with really bad timing from a dominant season driver being eliminated, and if you can come back from waaaay back in points (like Stewart did when he won 5 of the final 10 races), then you deserve it.
Freddie goes "high pitch" when he gets full of shit.
Freddie said the point difference almost repeatedly in the last few laps.
No he didn’t, he said once
Ryan Blaney's average finish at Phoenix in the Next Gen car is 3rd, Byron is 9.4, Reddick is 12.2, and Logano is 14.4. I know who my pick is.
also ryan is the only likeable guy in the final 4 reddick will chcok and ik damn well nascar doesnt want that car champion either joey shouldnt even be in it he got gifted byron if i was nascar come tomroww larson is in the final 4
@@NickyD You say that Tyler is not likeable but he the least abrasive of the 4. Dude just goes out and has a nice time and is kind to everybody. Blaney is cool too, but I see a ton of people dislike him because of how angry he gets on the radio during the race over trivial stuff. Not saying I agree, but I can see the point. Reddick is a clean driver who is an overall nice guy. No reason to dislike him.
@@silentt-dByron is also clean isn't he likeable? Or does he seem a little too perfect?
@@NickyD Blaney is an ass on and off the track.
I’m new to racing so this might be a bad analogy but I feel like blocking the track is like hard fouling someone so they don’t break a record, while giving someone a place is like helping your teammate break a record.
Also I don’t like the idea of “manufacture team” like just because some other dude is in a Camaro and I’m in a Camaro but we’re on different teams I’m supposed to help him. I’ll help a teammate, not some dude in the same car as me
Manufacturers spend a lot of money to be in this sport. They are trying to get return on their investment. Dont blame them for trying.
I listen every week to DBC and respect ALL involved/ But to Freddy that keeps trying to defend the 23, dont piss on my head and tell me its raining. be a grown man and own up to it.
he cant admit it ona podcast never will dbc been in trouble with nascar before
Brett,
A few weeks ago you said SVG won’t be able to start 30th in the Cup series and drive up to a a top 15 on an oval. He did that on Sunday.
He's Got A Big Mouth
NASCAR is really a monopoly.
NASCAR has always had a monopoly on American stock car racing
@@mathewhosier9739Nascar has turned into CART Racing series...Team Racing , not individual racers
NASCAR is not a monopoly.
NASCAR isn't a monopoly..
They have fundamental policies that fit the mold, but ultimately there no legal matter that limits anyone else from being in the market .
@@deliriouswhome1 I agree. The only anticompetitive feature of NASCAR are the charters, which the big teams demanded.
Blaney with the greatest walk off yet!
Well it looks like Freddie's lying but will be on vacation this weekend 😅😂
Custer at the Roval two years ago possibly caused SHR to close. Tony said "I'm done paying fines"
Freddy has an easy sunday at Phoenix! Take it easy big hoss you earned it!
We should just put Jeff Gordon in the final 4
I know it won't happen, but Freddie needs to be fined for his bad bull shiting.
The estrogen levels in that room are ridiculous
And it wasn't Casey's 😂 cry babies.
freddies voice gets higher and he talks faster when hes lying 🤥
True
Nascar taking the Rear-Diffuser off those cars and having way less downforce plus the soft tire made the racing great.
they need to remove the rear-diffuser at the superspeedways and see what happens
um..pretty sure they didnt take off the rear diffuser lol. the tire was the only change made between spring and fall martinsville races
@@2jsalomonthey actually did. They had a modified diffuser that only had 2 strakes instead of their normal 8 I believe. Plus it was way smaller than in previous years
@nolandavis9040 ... soooo what you're telling me is... they didnt remove it? Hmm. Seems like i said that lol. Obvs im just bustin ya balls lol no ill will meant towards you or anything lol. I of course knew that they modified it.. but saying they removed it is just false no matter how you look at it lo
@@2jsalomon I know they didn’t fully remove it but changed to 2 fins , my bad homie on not getting it 100% accurate
Denny Hamlin got got his throttle stuck from a piece of rubber from the tires. All race there was Giant pieces of rubber All over the track. Why didn't any spotter say" there's a loose tire,and giant tire marbles everywhere!" 🤷
Freddie thank you for always bringing us weekly content along w everyone on DBC
don’t let this get you down
year long points and no caution at stages end,just points
What a show! NASCAR wrung their own Bell at Martinsville, and gave William Byron the best slice from that Modified Melon.
never seen freddie so miserable 😅
What if there was no championship 4, and it was a four-race Round of 8
Idea ! What if there is bye weeks. Top four drivers, first three rounds. goes from four drivers that get points that will decide who get the next weeks bye which goes to two drivers and then one driver gets a bye 3 round 🤷🏻♂️ still same format but the best drivers should have the best chance to make it.
Intense opinions on this episode! 😳🤣
You didn’t say anything about the 12 running over the air hose on pit road?
Why does this remind me a bunch of high school students talking to the principal and their parents pleading their innocence saying they had nothing to do with the situation. 😂
LARSON TO THE CHAMP 4
It's not even possible in any realm of the universe. It is absolutely not possible to change the final 4 two days after the race ended.
I thought they were putting Jeff Gordon in?
If I was NASCAR it would be simple...I tell the 1, 3, 20, 23, and 24 teams to pack their shit up and go home....see you next year...
LOL, what color is the sky in your world ? Kicking 5 cars out of a race is NEVER going to happen.
Which is why you’re on TH-cam posting asinine what ifs
yup thats what i would. have done
@@VladimirBlarp want the cheating and bs to stop thats what you do it would send a clear msg you cant cheat peroid
Nobody is going to get suspended if any team gets something it’ll be the 3. The 1 never said stick to the plan or anything like that. 24 was running full tilt. And the 23 tire went down you can hear the pop in the in car and the car handled like shit after it.
Freddie is so guilty. Fidgeting with shit as soon as they bring it up. Yeah, you're fos bruh.
Best Nascar podcast hands down
Freddie was SEETHING this entire episode 😂
HE IS A LIAR AND IT IS EASY TO SEE
@@brianvanschyndel736true
@@brianvanschyndel736no, he’s being accused of manipulating the race
@@DaveReece-u4b HE DID MANIPULATE THE RACE. THAT IS VERY EASY TO SEE.HE SLOWED DOWN TO LET BELL PASS HIM. IF YOU CAN'T SEE THAT YOU ARE REALLY DUMB.
In the 90s when they raced back to the yellow, it was nothing to give a teammate or a like-manufacturer racer a lap back if you were the leader.
18:58 NASCAR could get rid of the rounds and playoffs. Go to a season's work determines the championship.
You mean bring back the Winston cup system. I'd love to see that, but maybe not the same exact points per position that they had back then. Though I'd like to see a bigger point spread between the top 5 at least.
@@MikePetett I agree with the idea of higher point spread for the top 5. I would like to also see no points for finishing below 30th
@@MikePetett honestly, I wouldn't care of the stages stayed if they did this.
Look Freddie NOBODY believes that you are innocent. You are a disgrace. Just admit it like a man. You are no different than any of the others involved but STOP trying to defend yourself and claim innocence. Nut up bro.
if he would say anything different he would automaticly incriminate himself. So no, no one in that situation would admit it.
“You are a disgrace.”
Thanks for your very stupid opinion William.
After This He's Clearly Shown Us That He's Not A Man
HE WILL KEEP LYING. THEY HAVE SAID IT THEMSELVES MANY MANY TIMES. WE KNOW FAT FREDDIE IS LYING AND DENYING.
He didn’t do anything. He didn’t pass the information to Bubba
You guys need to talk more about the team that give him a car to do that. Blaney is good but you give that car to 6 or 7 other drivers and you get the same thing. I wish they would give them HP and see who can really drive. Speed kills
Freddie is so full of shlt😂 He’s tossing out hypotheticals. In reality, they heard the Chevy’s were blocking and decided to do something about it
Maybe...but he is right. The blockade saved the 24.
@@jamieprosser3585If my uncle had wheels, he would’ve been a bike. The facts are the facts, and him changing the subject to hypotheticals instead of just answering the question “Did you manipulate the finish?” tells me all I need to know. He obviously can’t say what happened, and maybe Boodie saved Freddie by telling him to relay simple info to Bubba and letting Bubba do what needs to be done.
@@mcr2124 You don't think thr Chevy's influenced the finish? The fact there is no 'evidence' is because their blockade worked...and nobody passed the 24. The 23 was wrong but dont be so simple as to ignore the Chevy BS.
@ I’m not ignoring the Chevy’s. I’m saying that the 23 fell through the field as a reaction to what the Chevy’s were doing
@@mcr2124Facts
Omg just admit Bubba slowed down along with the 1 and 3 , both 24 and 20 should be out , worst top 4 ever
Jeff Gluck doesn’t get that the problem was not the drivers and spotters but the OEM pressure.
Good show! 😀👍
Thanks! 😃
TJ said the last couple tracks favor Blaney. Which is part of the problem with this system. If Blaney wants to win a championship it shouldn't be in his favor. It should be a season long reward of consistency, every week should be in your favor to win a title. Just my opinion.
Bell didn't need to ride the wall, Bubba wasn't going to pass him back.
Man I love this show! Understand this......BEFORE this show.....not only would I have not KNOWN who the spotters were......I would not have KNOWN near as much as what they do!!!! WOW......GREAT SHOW!!!!!! THANK YALL SO MUCH....ALL OF YOU ROCK!!!!!!
I hate this format. The best aren't in it. Championships don't mean much
The driver with the most wins doesn't always happen. It happened many times in the Winston Cup era
I’m done after this season. How did all of us sitting in the couch see a tire rolling down the track, THE SMALL TRACK! But race control didn’t see it. And they throw the green flag, mix up the deserved order, and then put them back under caution. I promise you I’m done after this season.
see you in February
I'm Disgusted At The Race Manipulation
@@brandonmckinney4434 check back with me then. I’m really done. I don’t really have the time to watch anyways so it really just gives me an excuse to be done with this shit. NASCAR has made horrible decisions
SHR has the 2 charters they sold and 23XI bought 1 so the 45 might be the only charter they have in 2025
Make all teams develop their own engines. Buy power plants from bigger teams is a big part
The tires were definitely wearing
Sat off of 4 and was covered in rubber
been waiting all day for this podcast and p1 in the comments
“God forbid we don’t help a JGR car”
This "playoff" format DOES NOT reward the best, most consistent driver! There is too much "pot-luck" involved in who wins the championship. Look at wins, laps lead, top 5s, top 10s, playoff points even. None of the championship 4 lead in any of those categories! Also, there is a bit of an advantage having 1 race determine the championship. Surely, the championship competing drivers do not run Phoenix with the same ability or confidence at that track, giving advantage to someone. There needs to be a bit more to being the champion than a "green, white, checker" finish for the championship.
34 min mark. Did they just say Stewart Friesen to the 54? Elliott Sadler told Brett he was a hell of a Modified racer and awesome go cart racer. Friesen family owns Ransomville Speedway in Ny. He’s been doing steady in his Tundra and doesn’t tear up much 👀
“The rules books already so long” Casey snapped 😂
Who loves the fact that NASCAR can disqualify a car for an errant screw but allows collusion during a race and is ok with it?
Great show
Both moves change a point - forming a blockade to prevent anyone from passing a guy is just as manipulative as letting a guy pass
CBell and CSmith had so many top fives in the playoffs, it's wild both won't make the final 4. Both would be championship favorites as they both won Phoenix in the spring. Now Almirola's 20 car is in on the owners side, and I think the 00 missed it.
Kyle Larson, Christopher Bell, Chase Elliot....statistically the best driver in NASCAR in 2024 and they are not in the championship race....YAY NASCAR!, YAY PLAYOFFS!...... yay INDY CAR cuz I'm sick of the playoffs.
Cry me a river Larson cost himself in the round of 8 and not making it to the coke 600
Elliott wrecked at Vegas ended his chance
Bell got screwed cause of chevys manipulation
@@flagg6211 And none of that would have mattered except for the playoff system. If you like the system, great but understand you are one of the 10% of fans who do. Most fans of ANY motorsport want and have season long championships. NASCAR fans are the only ones who don't have real champions, just a guy who won a particular race in Phoenix.
@@markalbert9011 I don’t like this system but to say that logano, blaney, and reddick shouldn’t be in is stupid I don’t see them changing it but they should consider changing it from win and in what harvick said on his show would be better than right now
Dock each manufacturer 50 manf. points for each car that manipulated the race. Toyota -50 (#23) and Chevy -100 (#3, #1). That would kill their abilities to win and it costs them millions, especially since Chevy is about 40 pts ahead of Ford.
Absolutely lieing about bubba. Lost all respect for this bs.
I mean you can’t blame the drivers or team they’re just doing what the manufacturers tell them and if they don’t listen to the manufacturer they’ll be consequences
@Rpj12 Same
It’s lying and no he isn’t
I don't understand how they say Custer's move was OK. But Eckes was over the line. Eckes didn't wreck them. And bump and runs have existed for forever. And besides. It was cleaner than you usually see in the trucks
How do the DBC mics make Bob, Jeff, and TJ sound alike lmao
Lets go Byron. Show the haters how nice that championship ring is Sunday.
Damn Jeff works for Chevy
All I'm going to say is. Letting someone pass and not wanting to pass someone is the same thing.
Moot point not mute 😅
Gluck is so wrong in his take. Freddie is obvioisly biased but he is right. Not only did they slow down to not pass but the Chevys prevented others from passing.
I don't think I've ever heard Gluck say anything intelligent. Can't freaking stand him one bit. I won't even watch The Teardown because he's on it.
The missed tire was in the end a huge deal for the final 4, bubba and bell would’ve been on the same lap and Byron would’ve been out when Hamlin passed him because bell was faster than bubba all day
The missed tire gave an extra car the free pass
What if you are afraid to pass someone because you know they are desperate for points, and you don't want to get wrecked? Does the 100 percent rule apply then?
If you hit the wall so hard that you black out, and your foot stays on the throttle, are you penalized for wall riding? What if your throttle sticks?
😂
The whole championship four is such a farce.
Except for Blaney LOL
Or the guy who’s made it every even year since the playoffs began
Hey Brett seems like 50% of teams making the playoffs is standard in most professional sport leagues: NFL 14 Playoff teams of 32 teams, NBA 16 playoff teams of 30 teams, NHL 16 teams of 32 teams...
Through all of this Freddie ignores bubba saying “god forbid if we help a fuckin JGR car” it’s literally plain as day.
Here's what I don't understand also on the onboard you could get to pit road (the 23) as he's saying he has a potential tire problem and he didn't the track was wide open to the pit entrance
Let's go back to a high point champion and do away with this joke of a play off system
Casey and bret are the most real opinions this show. Cant ever get a real story from the other two .
Corner spotter in 4 was distracted by a drunk lady
20, 24, 1, 3, 23, should be disqualified. 5 put in playoff. anything else and you lose all fairness. NASCAR should drop playoffs after this year please and drop stages. Thanks
I’m a Blaney fan but Byron did what though? He didn’t block or wreck anyone , they did it own there own for him
They manipulated the race to put Byron in so he is out. That is the only fair outcome.
Ain’t no one getting dq the only team that’ll get something is the 3 since they said something on the radio nothing suspicious on the 1 24 did nothing wrong and the 23 had a tire go down
Tension is real in this room. Should definitely be thanking Jeff
I’m sure glad NASCAR doesn’t have Team rules like F1 does! /s
NASCAR needs to have one person sit in front of a TV during the race and watch it the way we get to. Let them hear and see what is broadcast and see firsthand what could be considered sketchy. They could radio the booth and say sketchiness occurred. For this instance, put half a can of gas in both the 24 and 20 and bring them back out on the track on the tires they had and give them a 5 lap shootout. No other cars on the track. Just them two to figure it out. If Bell knocked the tow out with his wall ride, Byron will pass him for sure. Then NASCAR should fine the manufacturers $500k and each team 300 points for suspected race manipulation. Skirts the bad behavior from manufacturer team mates and allows pure racing to occur.
It's really hard to get off the wall,especially when you mat it to the floor
Freddie looks sick or something lol.