i find it funny when i see reactions from not just this channel to honest trailers of movies and the reactors get defensive. Its a comedy series guys, calm down. And yes Civil War and BvS were more alike than everyone admits.
exactly. i love mavel movies but it doesnt hurtto call them out, theyre not perfect. this is the type of stuff dc fan boys hate and i agree, look at both movies objectively. and they kind of need to know zemo wasnt that good of a villain and his plan was just as crazy as Luther.
very true. only difference between the 2 was that luther was straight out of a cartoon and zemo was down to earth. that's the only point i give him. but if you look at marvel vs dc in general marvel is more down to earth... superman can do almost anything, there's nothing to the equivalent to 3 or 4 heroes in marvel because they're meant to be unrealistic, whereas marvel tries to make it work within the world we live in today.
Zemo was a good villain. His plan did make sense, it just involved some suspension of disbelief. And the pay off of Tony discovering winter soldier killing his parents makes you instantly forget about the plan. Zemo is a good villain, within great motivation and acted well. His plan requiring a lot of luck is the only thing wrong with civil war, and I'll defend that to my grave.
right civil war cap america is as bad as superman... trash symbols they turned cap america to a communist lovin warrior who abandons the country that literally made him. and superman forgets how to communicate to the people he sworn to protect
You kno Lucifer had a point, why should he be subservient to a lesser waste of existence. Thankfully all those owners get to spendtime with him..So he can vent out those fustrations
Lilith2014 - I disagree; Zemo was motivated by the death of his family as a result of the Avengers' actions in Sokovia. He wanted to tear them apart from the inside. Luthor was motivated by "Everyone thinks Superman (i.e. God) is so great, but why didn't he save me from abuse when I was a child? He must be destroyed!" And he pits this virtually unkillable man against a guy who dresses up as a bat at night, because...? How could Luthor expect _an earthly vigilante_ to stand up against Superman? Neither of them have been around for as long. For Zemo, though, the Avengers have been around for a lot longer. Each of them are _known_ around the world, enough for Zemo to dig up some info and hatch a plot to destroy them from the inside.
Sobi the Robot Luthor's motivations are these: 1) He hates god for his abusive childhood. 2) He, through the obvious god-like parallels of Superman and the real world psychological concept of transference, projects his hatred for god onto superman. 3) He engineers a fight between Bats and Supes, expecting it to come to one of two ends: 1) Batman kills Supes, and "god" is dead; 2) Supes kills Bats, and "god" is proven to be a flawed, sinful creature like the rest of us (i.e. not worthy of being seen as god). All of that makes as much sense as Zemo's motives, and it's even backed by real world psychology.
Superman already killed someone though. And Lex framed him for killing people in the movie. It doesn't make any kind of sense because Superman has no parallels whatsoever to God, at least the God of the Holy Bible I assume Lex is talking about. Basically, Lex's motivation makes sense you're saying, because he's crazy. His plan doesn't even make sense because he spends 2 years sending letters to make Batman crazy, because he wants Batman to kill Superman with the kryptonite he doesn't even know exists yet. Have a very great day! God bless you all!
If you were led to believe that Age of Ultron was gonna be like "Empire Strikes Back", then that's your own fault. That movie was NEVER advertised that way. Also, this version of Zemo was horrible. The waste of a great, classic villain and we'll never see him again.
Mocking the 1% comment from Wayne is ignorant. Wayne was talking about someone with the actual power to kill the whole world. The moment these guys get the ability to do the things they mentioned, then it becomes more difficult to tolerate even a small % chance of them doing it.
That just seems dumb for batman to me. Yeah he makes plans to deal with dangerous people if it's needed, but he shouldn't be murdering someone for something they haven't even done yet or at least trying to. It also kind of makes him seem inconsistent to me. He's willing to kill superman and yet the joker is still running around? I can't believe he wouldn't be able to find him. I don't hate the movie, there were parts I really enjoyed, I just think there were better ways to have him fight superman.
777 MangaKing 777 I'll agree the film could have been better. That's true of most films. But Supes is different from the Joker. Joker can't single-handedly kill the whole planet Supes can.
Lilith2014 Still how many people's lives have been destroyed by him? We don't know exactly all the crimes this Joker has committed, but if it's even a fraction of what he's done in the comics or cartoons I think that should be enough justification for this Batman to have killed him. Especially since it seems like he beat Robin to death like in the comic. Anyway I still have high hopes for Justice League and Wonder Woman though since it seems like those two will be better since they can learn from BVS.
DC Fanboys: "YOU SEE?! CIVIL WAR MADE THE SAME MISTAKES, MARVEL SUX NAO!!!" Me: "No, they did a similar story but better on pretty much all counts in spite of its flaws, and didn't waste 10+ movies of material in the process."
6:51 Nate says "Well at least this plan is less silly and less convoluted than Lex Luthor's" and is IMMEDIATELY followed by narrator saying "Ugh, this is dumber than Luthor's." Oh that's such a foot-in-mouth moment
In a civil war between you three, I'd bet on Micah. He's a ninja. 'Nuff said. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if at some point during the fight Nate throws someone down some stairs.
Getting defensive I see. Its a comedy series, guys, relax. I know how you feel though, I'm a big defender of BvS but the Honest Trailers for it was hilarious.
man, i never tought i see you guys so quiet for so long wearing a butthurt fanboy face, but this trailer really really got you guys, and BTW wasn't the moon knight marvel's batman?
i think caleb and windham would fight for 2 days until they just get bored and go get some coffee or something as if nothing happened, while micah and nate would be trying to convince ben that the fight is over and he can get out of his mecha suit, while he's inside of it, laughing like a maniac and quoting engineer or medic dominations
Idk. Honestly, while Luthor's plan in the movie makes absolutely no sense, I have to admit that I still find it 100% believable that he could at least pull it off. Batman and Superman are already at eachother's throats, Lex is a genius who works very closely with the Daily Planet and Wayne Industries, and finding ways to discredit the heroes is exactly what Luthor is known for. But if you know who Superman is and you have access to Kryptonite, why stage an elaborate fight with Batman??? Zemo's plan on the other hand makes more sense, tear down the team's trust and make them kill eachother. But even for a spec ops soldier, he had to (for some reason) figure out Bucky assassinated Stark's parents, learn about the other 5 Winter Soldiers, learn about Bucky's code words, then of course find all of them, make a Bucky mask, bomb the senate meeting, infiltrate the government as their interrogator, all in just under a year, and even then he had to ask Bucky for information allowing himself to set up the rest. Just difficult to buy even for a man on a suicide mission
"But if you know who Superman is and you have access to Kryptonite, why stage an elaborate fight with Batman???" Five years late, but there is a reason. Luthor doesn't just want to kill Superman. Luthor's philosophy in BvS is "If god is all powerful, he cannot be all good. If he is all good, he cannot be all powerful". By setting a fight with a Kryptonite armed Batman, he creates what he believes is an ultimatum. If Batman kills Superman, it proves that Superman wasn't all powerful and thus never truly a god. If Superman kills Batman, it proves that Superman wasn't all good and isn't a savior. Lex doesn't consider that Superman could find a way to get Batman on his side and avoid either dying. Except he kinda does because Doomsday but... the whole Doomsday thing is idiotic and dumb and the film would be like 5x better without it.
In the defense of how Spider-Man talked about Star Wars, he could’ve been describing it the way someone does to a non-fan, simplifying it. Ex: Me describing Thor to a non fan. “You know the blonde superhero with the overgrown sledgehammer? You’ve seen it right?” I know what Mjolnir is but non fans don’t so I describe the visuals rather then say the name.
Not sure why so many ppl deny that Civil War and BvS are actually pretty similar... they are both ok movies with good stuff and bad stuff in it... the only difference is that marvel doesn't get critisized as much for the same things DC does... Winter Soldier was amazing... Civil war was a fun watch... but nothing great ... same with age of ultron... okay... but not great... and thats true for DC as well... they just don't have any hype from previous movies... instead they have to compete with the marvel hype from the previous good movies...
We all win, Micah would win with his Godzilla feet. Nate would win due to his ninja high-school anti-bully powers. Mad scientist (name escapes me) would win if he assumed his ultimate form (Beast, X-men 3), and Caleb would win due to being the PUNisher and all his guns, and that one redhead (name escapes me) would win if she's on her period.
14:35 inspired me to write this Here you go a renegade non erotic fanfiction. The Renegade Civil War:Saturday 7:00pm Austin,Texas center of town. Micah:tell me Caleb did you ever think it would end this way because you know it doesn't. (Micah says this as the rain showers on his face Caleb looks on with a twisted glow in his eyes.)Caleb: just shut up you know this is were it ends this is how the Renegades die and brother or not you will be the first.(Caleb pulls out two browning hi powered pistols as Micah unsheathed his favorite creation a rare double edged katana)Micah:I still care about you but if this is the only way to knock some sense into you bring it on don't miss. (With lightning fast speed he charged and attacked swinging his sword with enough force to cut ten men. With an even faster reflexes Caleb blocks the strike with the gun then grabs the sword and kicks his brother in the chest. Micah hits the ground struggling to realize what just happened only to feel pierce his shoulder. )Micah: arrrgghh! What! but how. Caleb: I have changed a lot since we last met that not even you the fastest assassin in the world couldn't best my...(in the middle of his rant Micah pulls out a Molotov cocktail and throws it in his face) Caleb: ahhh you bastard(Caleb tries to put out the inferno on his face)Micah: but you couldn't change your ego.(Micah charges and punches him in the face bruising his hand ignoring the pain and tries to kick him in the face only to have his leg grabbed and have him thrown into a wall) Caleb: that's it you're pissing me off(Caleb then presses a button on his wrist Micah gets up to look his brother in the face. He freezes as he realizes the skin on his face is replaced with a metal and glowing red eyes) Micah: my god so you really did it you're an abomination.Caleb: no I am your death(he charges and grabs Micah by the neck choking him) Micah: go ahead you'll be doing me a favor(Caleb smiles)Caleb: you're right I want you to suffer (drops him) Now! Get him!(seven cops immediately grab him and start placing cuffs on him) Micah: what the hell.Cop: Micah sayur you're under arrest for possession of illegal firearms and tax evasion.(they pull him back and throw him in the back of a swat car)Micah: no! I'm not going back you can't make me!(Caleb watches and laughs not noticing the speeding car racing towards him)Caleb: wait what's that.CRASH!!(7 minutes earlier) Ben:Nate I'm not sure about this Nate: ben we have to save Micah hurry up and get in the car(they get in and speed off)back to fight: Caleb:now what the hell was that(immediately hit by a wrench)Nate: Micah ain't going nowhere besides he's to pretty for prison.(Nate looks to see all the cops "unconscious" and Micah okay but too much in pain to move)Caleb:okay that's it I'm going to rip off your arms and use them to applaud your demise.Nate: how about we even the playing field Ben are you sure this will work Ben: ha ha ha I have no idea (pulls out some kind of ray gun and fires it at Nate then starts to glow from the energy in his body Nate looks at Caleb runs over and bear hugs him)Ben:Nate now do it.Nate: Nakatomi!...Blast!(a massive explosion hits them like a mini nuke the force throws Ben into a restaurant and Micah into a car the smoke disappears only to reveal a full robot Caleb now even more pissed off)Caleb: you are all going to be terminated don't pray to god because I killed him.(just as finished his sentence he gets hit by an unknown object knocking him into a bank Ben gets up and sees their last shred of hope their strongest hero swinging bo like a sledgehammer the one the only one punch windham they were saved)Caleb:now what is it.....oh shit.windham: alright boy you have cost enough trouble stop now or I will beat you to death with my trusty bo'sball bat (sorry had to do it)Bo:F yeah (Caleb gets up with no warning and starts charging at her fist ready to bust her head open windham charges also ready to swing bo and knock him down.Caleb gets to her and grabs bo and throws him into another building then with all his strength punches windham sending her three blocks away.Windham lands on the ground now pissed off gets up and gets into a fighting stance)Windham: you've done it now get ready for my strongest attack(Caleb now realizes the situation and soon regerts hitting her so hard and with all his speed and strength runs as fast as me can to finally finish this as windham charges up her attack) windham:Ooonnne... Puuunnnccchhh ("windam then unleashes her final attack and hits Caleb with such force it sends a powerful shock wave shattering all the windows and much of Caleb's body as he flys off into the sky he screams one final threat)Caleb: I'll be baaaaaacck.(windham looks on and smiles)windham: and I'll be here to kick your ass again(she then walks over to collect her friends)windham: Nate wake up I know your not dead.Nate: windham is that you oh no think I see a bright light I'm coming Elizabeth(windham then kicks Nate in the ribs)Nate: Oww okay okay fine just trying to be dramatic come on ben let's get Micah before the cops show up.Ben: it worked yes I can't wait to see if I could make the explosion bigger. Nate: No! Never again that hurts(windham laughs at her crazy friends wraps her arms around them and says)Windham: come on guys let's go get a beer(they all smile and walk off into the night dragging Micah)The End?
And he was someone who basically had nothing to lose, and actually had a viable endgame, unlike Lex Loser who pretty much had everything from the beginning and only set himself up to lose by setting loose a violent monster that would either get him incriminated for being a criminal if the heroes win, or probably destroy the planet or something if the heroes lose. As for motives, Zemo wasn't the best, but I'll take a fairly straightforward revenge plot over a college freshman's thesis on God and the devil or whatever after taking a few weeks of philosophy.
BvS is about enemies becoming friends, while Cap 3 is about friends becoming enemies. Zemo's plan was very simple: get the evidence regarding 12/16/1991 with Bucky's help in order to use it against the two leaders of the Avengers at some point. That's it! All other conflicts were caused by the heroes themselves.
Why didn't Zemo just email the evidence of 12/16/1991 to Tony when he found it instead of waiting for the end to show him could've saved an hour and a half of the run time......................................yeah.........think of that
OllieBlazin because he didnt have the footage until he made it to the base in Siberia. that's where the footage was. He was gonna find a way to get Stark to see the video after he left the compound but Cap and Iron Man just happened to show up for him to play it for them.
+aSackOfDerp I meant the written documents in the book that Zemo drowned at the very beginning. He could've just copied and pasted the book onto a flash drive and just sent it Tony Stank.
OllieBlazin But see that's the point. he only had the mission report. thats why he was so adamant to catch Bucky and find out exactly what that mission was. He needed visual evidence. I highly doubt Stark would believe a written document claiming someone he knows killed his parents
You guys seriously need to work on your volume levels. All 3 of you have a different loudness, and they're all overwhelmed by the videos you watch, so you try to tell jokes during the clips and we have no idea what you said.
Honestly, I liked civil war but I think it's overhyped. All of the marvel movies are good movies, but I really never felt like any of them were amazing like people act like.
If you watched some of their other reactions, you'd see they are also DC fanboys. It's really not hard to see how much better Civil War was done than BvS, similarities aside.
Jace Fincham I have no issue with people saying Civil War is a better film, it is. What I do have an issue with, is people acting like BvS is a major dumpster fire while Civil War is a masterpiece. Lol cause that's not the case no matter who tries to convince themselves. That's why people get bent out of shape over BvS getting hated on so much and Civil War getting praised so much, even though Civil War is the superior film it isn't miles and miles ahead of BvS like critics want to say, and it's good that Honest trailers and HISHE at least have the guts to point that out. I think Winter Soldier is better than Civil War.
You have valid points. I definitely liked BvS; Affleck and Irons were perfectly casted, and I loved every moment they were on the screen. Cavill is a good actor, but he just seemed lackluster in the film. Storywise, BvS was an absolute trainwreck, though. And Lex... ugh -- felt more like Joker to me (and not a good version). Civil War, while diverging somewhat from the source material, still maintained consistency and has a much more coherent plot than BvS. On top of that, the characters are superbly written and acted. So yes, comparatively, CW is a masterpiece and BvS is a dumpster fire.
Anyone else think that Marvel might be setting up a version of the Masters of Evil for after Infinity War using Zemo, Loki, and whoever else they can use?
it wasn't an adamantium/virbanium alloy anyway.. that was a printing error. Cap's shield was vibranium and some other metals until it was infused with Uru metal not that long ago. it never had adamantium in it. the ultimates Cap did have adamantium in it but no vibranium it was all adamantium.
"I think those are broad generalizations." I think you're in denial and a fanboy. Both villains plans were convoluted and shitty. Both featured the heroes fighting each other. Neither movie was really that good. Neither movie had any kind of lasting stakes.
Am I the only person who honestly liked Age of Ultron more than the first Avengers? We're all free to our own opinions but I feel that the first Avengers is a bit overrated. Don't get me wrong. I loved it and it's a great movie. But my peak enjoyment of it was when I saw it for the first time in the theater and experienced the fun alongside everyone there. When I re-watch it, there are some parts of the movie that drag. Age of Ultron gave me what I wanted in an Avengers 2. It further developed the characters, was a bit darker, and was thoroughly interesting from beginning to end. I love Civil War more than Age of Ultron but, as of now, Age of Ultron is my favorite Avengers movie.
Connor Jaegar The death of Quicksilver personally didn't bother me because it fit the narrative of the film. A big theme of Age of Ultron is the price that you pay when you try to do the right thing. Again and again, Tony makes these mistakes in his pursuit of saving the world and pays for every one of them. Cap says it before they head out to Sakovia. Being a hero comes with a price and they might not come back alive from this battle; as they are facing a villain whose only desire is to kill everyone. So someone had to die. Yes, it sucks that it had to be Quicksilver but he died following the example that Cap and the other Avengers set for him. Quicksilver's death was a vital part of the narrative. Plus, it was the conclusion of the movie's greatest mislead: Hawkeye. The entire movie laid the groundwork for a tragic Hawkeye death. He's got a family. He's thinking about putting his hero days aside to focus on his family. It would have been really easy to give Hawkeye, the least popular Avenger in the MCU, a tragic death. But they didn't and pulled the rug out from under everyone; and I applaud them for doing so. And in case you bring up an argument about how Quicksilver could have easily dodged the bullets, I argue that those bullets were fired from a motorized machine gun (and were a lot faster than normal bullets like the ones fired in Days of Future Past) and plus they were fired by a super-intelligent robot who could calculate where to shoot and still hit Quicksilver. Finally, yeah the Shwarma scene is cute but it's not enough to make me consider Avengers 1 superior to Age of Ultron. But that's just my two cents.
I enjoyed Age of Ultron more on the first viewing, since I felt the original took a lot longer to pick up and had more lulls in the action, and I really enjoyed Ultron as a villain. I still need to watch it again to see how it holds up.
I feel like they should of done with Age of Ultron... What they did with Captain America Civil War... A Iron Man movie with the other Avengers in it... Would of done better in my opinion... Plus I don't think they handled the Tony and Ultron... friction? Idk... but ya that wasn't handled right...
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Why are they answering a joke made by screen junkies with a very logical explanation. Like cmon, this guys are pointing out some plots that are obviously just being stretched out by screen junkies to make a joke that even an mcu fan that hasn't read any comics can figure out.
But the Zemo thing seems like a cop out at the end. The Avengers didn't do anything to his family and he wasn't the only who lost his family. And then causing the death of innocent lives. He was just a hypocrite. Giving a bullshit traigic story at the end just ruined his character for me. If it was in beginning or giving some glimpse of it through out the movie, I could of at least give it some creidit. Just because a villain has a tragic past does not automatically make him "realistic" nor does it mean that it is good writing or that you should sympathize with him. People say that Luthor's plan was bad, but Zemo's plan just thrives cause of coincidence and plot convenience. Of course I'm not going to say that Luthor's plan was better though. But as a character, I thought Luthor was better than Zemo. Throught the movie, Luthor gave bits and pieces of his ideas and motivation and didn't have to give a stupid plot twist or some cop out "hey, actually not evil, sympathize with me". Luthor never tried to justify his actions. Luthor actually had money, resources, technology, the brain, had others, had the influences. Zemo might seem like more realistic of the two, but Luthor actually having a planned the somehow worked seemed more believable and his motivations didn't seem like last minute crap and I can see him doing crap like that and having those believes.
Luthor was complete garbage. He was an idiot with nothing to gain and everything to lose through his actions, and his motives were basically the writer's half-assed thesis on "Superman is God, and also Jesus maybe".
tacoman422 No. His motives was that he wants power. His hatred for Superman is because he is like a god figured. I actually think it's actually poetic in a way, what they did with Superman. I disagree. I don't think he was garbage at all. He was a good villain but a bad Lex Luthor in my opinion.
Adrian Vazquez Morales Pretty sure Superman already gave him more power through his actions in the previous movie, since he states that he made a ton of money off of the damage Superman caused Metropolis. And I'd accept the power argument since that is a big aspect of Luthor's character in several versions of Superman, but given the crowded nature of this movie that isn't communicated well at all, he doesn't demonstrate the interest you'd think he might have in having control over Superman, and most tellingly, his final solution to dealing with someone more powerful than him is someone even MORE powerful than that who he actually has LESS control over.
tacoman422 But it's wasn't about money, but power. He has tons of money and has tones intellect. And wasn't conveyed well? I'm am glad that Luthor never said what he wanted inasted hinted it in one of his speeches. He gave several hints. It actually treated their audience mature and smart enough to figure it out. He never told every single detail of his plan, but we saw it. And he wanted to kill Superman, not control him. He wanted everybody against him and manipulate. I agree that the Doomsday plan was rushed and I would of something better. But it wasn't the worst thing. He woke Doomsday because that was the only thing he could do. Batman didn't kill Superman and saved his mother and then there was Superman right in front of him. He didn't have the power to stop Superman. Nobody did. So here comes Doomsday. Didn't matter if he could control it or not. Either that or face being captured by Superman. But yeah, would of been better if didn't have a stupid last fight scene just like most comic book movies.
Adrian Vazquez Morales Well, what you call smart writing I call a bunch of psuedo-philosphical exposition on the supposed deeper meaning of the film the writer/director intends to convey in place of actual natural dialogue that can allow the audience to understand and relate to the characters and draw their own interpretations, but agree to disagree. That said, your last point does tie in with possibly my biggest issue with BvS, the sheer volume of plot potential that could have been fleshed out if had been divided into several movies, such as introducing major elements and characters in Superman's universe, DC's major heroes meeting for the first time, Superman's relationship with the world as an outsider with godly power, The Dark Knight Returns, The Death of Superman, and more, instead squeezed into the second movie of a franchise. It just seems like they really should have had someone say "I think this movie has more than enough to work with, let's save some ideas for later" to give them the impact they deserved. Not every brought into Marvel's films has been a bullseye, but they generally don't put all their eggs in one basket this badly. Really, that's the kind of stuff that brought down two separate Spider-Man movie continuities. Not to say I hated everything, since I did enjoy it more than Man of Steel. I generally enjoyed most of the Batman related stuff at the least. Still, I'd rather not this turn into another ten years where Batman is the only thing I can look forward to from DC.
i find it funny when i see reactions from not just this channel to honest trailers of movies and the reactors get defensive. Its a comedy series guys, calm down.
And yes Civil War and BvS were more alike than everyone admits.
exactly. i love mavel movies but it doesnt hurtto call them out, theyre not perfect. this is the type of stuff dc fan boys hate and i agree, look at both movies objectively. and they kind of need to know zemo wasnt that good of a villain and his plan was just as crazy as Luther.
At least Zemo didn't shove Jolly Ranchers into people's faces.
very true. only difference between the 2 was that luther was straight out of a cartoon and zemo was down to earth. that's the only point i give him. but if you look at marvel vs dc in general marvel is more down to earth... superman can do almost anything, there's nothing to the equivalent to 3 or 4 heroes in marvel because they're meant to be unrealistic, whereas marvel tries to make it work within the world we live in today.
Zemo's plan was mostly luck, Luthor's plan was unnecessarily complicated.
Zemo was a good villain. His plan did make sense, it just involved some suspension of disbelief. And the pay off of Tony discovering winter soldier killing his parents makes you instantly forget about the plan. Zemo is a good villain, within great motivation and acted well. His plan requiring a lot of luck is the only thing wrong with civil war, and I'll defend that to my grave.
08:01 I love how the shock of that revelation slowly starts showing on your faces from this point on.
Shock followed immediately by denial. Delicious biased denial.
right civil war cap america is as bad as superman... trash symbols they turned cap america to a communist lovin warrior who abandons the country that literally made him. and superman forgets how to communicate to the people he sworn to protect
United Islander's Delegation I bet most slave owners felt abandoned by Abraham Lincoln.
You kno Lucifer had a point, why should he be subservient to a lesser waste of existence. Thankfully all those owners get to spendtime with him..So he can vent out those fustrations
United Islander's Delegation And I'm pretty sure that Bucky is American as well.
Compare the films all you want, but at least Zemo's _motivations_ made more sense than Luthor's.
Luthor's motivations make at least as much sense as Zemo's.
Lilith2014 - I disagree; Zemo was motivated by the death of his family as a result of the Avengers' actions in Sokovia. He wanted to tear them apart from the inside.
Luthor was motivated by "Everyone thinks Superman (i.e. God) is so great, but why didn't he save me from abuse when I was a child? He must be destroyed!" And he pits this virtually unkillable man against a guy who dresses up as a bat at night, because...? How could Luthor expect _an earthly vigilante_ to stand up against Superman? Neither of them have been around for as long.
For Zemo, though, the Avengers have been around for a lot longer. Each of them are _known_ around the world, enough for Zemo to dig up some info and hatch a plot to destroy them from the inside.
Sobi the Robot
Luthor's motivations are these:
1) He hates god for his abusive childhood.
2) He, through the obvious god-like parallels of Superman and the real world psychological concept of transference, projects his hatred for god onto superman.
3) He engineers a fight between Bats and Supes, expecting it to come to one of two ends: 1) Batman kills Supes, and "god" is dead; 2) Supes kills Bats, and "god" is proven to be a flawed, sinful creature like the rest of us (i.e. not worthy of being seen as god).
All of that makes as much sense as Zemo's motives, and it's even backed by real world psychology.
Superman already killed someone though. And Lex framed him for killing people in the movie. It doesn't make any kind of sense because Superman has no parallels whatsoever to God, at least the God of the Holy Bible I assume Lex is talking about. Basically, Lex's motivation makes sense you're saying, because he's crazy. His plan doesn't even make sense because he spends 2 years sending letters to make Batman crazy, because he wants Batman to kill Superman with the kryptonite he doesn't even know exists yet. Have a very great day!
God bless you all!
Dagenspear
In all fairness, the biblical God isn't exactly consistent.
The Renegade Reacts Squad fighting each other in robot suits. That is something I would pay money to see.
"Look at me... I'm the captain now!"
- 8:35 That moment when they didn't want to admit it
5:56 well this hits different now
If you were led to believe that Age of Ultron was gonna be like "Empire Strikes Back", then that's your own fault. That movie was NEVER advertised that way. Also, this version of Zemo was horrible. The waste of a great, classic villain and we'll never see him again.
Joss Whedon himself stated he wanted to make Age of Ultron the Empire Strikes Back of the MCU in multiple interviews.
Mocking the 1% comment from Wayne is ignorant. Wayne was talking about someone with the actual power to kill the whole world. The moment these guys get the ability to do the things they mentioned, then it becomes more difficult to tolerate even a small % chance of them doing it.
very true. no one would care about a single man, but if it was superman of course he would get scrutinized more because of the great power he wields
That just seems dumb for batman to me. Yeah he makes plans to deal with dangerous people if it's needed, but he shouldn't be murdering someone for something they haven't even done yet or at least trying to. It also kind of makes him seem inconsistent to me. He's willing to kill superman and yet the joker is still running around? I can't believe he wouldn't be able to find him. I don't hate the movie, there were parts I really enjoyed, I just think there were better ways to have him fight superman.
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I'll agree the film could have been better. That's true of most films. But Supes is different from the Joker. Joker can't single-handedly kill the whole planet Supes can.
Lilith2014 Still how many people's lives have been destroyed by him? We don't know exactly all the crimes this Joker has committed, but if it's even a fraction of what he's done in the comics or cartoons I think that should be enough justification for this Batman to have killed him. Especially since it seems like he beat Robin to death like in the comic. Anyway I still have high hopes for Justice League and Wonder Woman though since it seems like those two will be better since they can learn from BVS.
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I do hope they restore WW's ability to fly.
DC Fanboys: "YOU SEE?! CIVIL WAR MADE THE SAME MISTAKES, MARVEL SUX NAO!!!"
Me: "No, they did a similar story but better on pretty much all counts in spite of its flaws, and didn't waste 10+ movies of material in the process."
Renegades React to the Roast of Captain America
Caleb is gonna come in dressed up as Batman and all of you will faint. :D
I say Micha he's got those Godzilla feet.
Civil war was awesome...Ultron was awesome..Homecoming was awesome.
6:51 Nate says "Well at least this plan is less silly and less convoluted than Lex Luthor's" and is IMMEDIATELY followed by narrator saying "Ugh, this is dumber than Luthor's." Oh that's such a foot-in-mouth moment
Reaction starts at 3:42
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+Hariz Zahir what's a Caleb? Is it good? What does it taste like?
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Nate fanboyed out hard when bvs being similar to civil war was mentioned
In a civil war between you three, I'd bet on Micah. He's a ninja. 'Nuff said. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if at some point during the fight Nate throws someone down some stairs.
Getting defensive I see. Its a comedy series, guys, relax. I know how you feel though, I'm a big defender of BvS but the Honest Trailers for it was hilarious.
7:52 Cap never had a girlfriend.
Don't need a girlfriend to get action.
frozen? Looks like he just....let it go....sorry.
@@liquidrock2u He was born in a time when men respected women abit more..
@@houseofzuma1033 I was making a joke about action being fights.
Your faces as soon as they compared Batman v Superman to Civil War
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that portal to asgard joke had ms laughing my ass off even though i don't ship them
If you guys get permission from Screen Junkies, will you react to the Captain America Roast?
It's behind a pay-wall, so I can't imagine they'll get that permission.
man, i never tought i see you guys so quiet for so long wearing a butthurt fanboy face, but this trailer really really got you guys, and BTW wasn't the moon knight marvel's batman?
i think caleb and windham would fight for 2 days until they just get bored and go get some coffee or something as if nothing happened, while micah and nate would be trying to convince ben that the fight is over and he can get out of his mecha suit, while he's inside of it, laughing like a maniac and quoting engineer or medic dominations
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great reaction guys haha
You guys should prank Ben by saying "Ben... I'm sorry..." at the beginning of your next video.
Great video as always. :) Do you guys think that you could maybe react to young justice abridged?
I like how the guys on the right said they aren't the same but they really are stop trying to be a know it all
Much like in the movie, if you three fought, the winner would be... THE VIEWERS!
Idk. Honestly, while Luthor's plan in the movie makes absolutely no sense, I have to admit that I still find it 100% believable that he could at least pull it off. Batman and Superman are already at eachother's throats, Lex is a genius who works very closely with the Daily Planet and Wayne Industries, and finding ways to discredit the heroes is exactly what Luthor is known for. But if you know who Superman is and you have access to Kryptonite, why stage an elaborate fight with Batman??? Zemo's plan on the other hand makes more sense, tear down the team's trust and make them kill eachother. But even for a spec ops soldier, he had to (for some reason) figure out Bucky assassinated Stark's parents, learn about the other 5 Winter Soldiers, learn about Bucky's code words, then of course find all of them, make a Bucky mask, bomb the senate meeting, infiltrate the government as their interrogator, all in just under a year, and even then he had to ask Bucky for information allowing himself to set up the rest. Just difficult to buy even for a man on a suicide mission
"But if you know who Superman is and you have access to Kryptonite, why stage an elaborate fight with Batman???"
Five years late, but there is a reason. Luthor doesn't just want to kill Superman. Luthor's philosophy in BvS is "If god is all powerful, he cannot be all good. If he is all good, he cannot be all powerful". By setting a fight with a Kryptonite armed Batman, he creates what he believes is an ultimatum. If Batman kills Superman, it proves that Superman wasn't all powerful and thus never truly a god. If Superman kills Batman, it proves that Superman wasn't all good and isn't a savior. Lex doesn't consider that Superman could find a way to get Batman on his side and avoid either dying.
Except he kinda does because Doomsday but... the whole Doomsday thing is idiotic and dumb and the film would be like 5x better without it.
In the defense of how Spider-Man talked about Star Wars, he could’ve been describing it the way someone does to a non-fan, simplifying it. Ex: Me describing Thor to a non fan. “You know the blonde superhero with the overgrown sledgehammer? You’ve seen it right?” I know what Mjolnir is but non fans don’t so I describe the visuals rather then say the name.
Not sure why so many ppl deny that Civil War and BvS are actually pretty similar... they are both ok movies with good stuff and bad stuff in it... the only difference is that marvel doesn't get critisized as much for the same things DC does... Winter Soldier was amazing... Civil war was a fun watch... but nothing great ... same with age of ultron... okay... but not great... and thats true for DC as well... they just don't have any hype from previous movies... instead they have to compete with the marvel hype from the previous good movies...
We all win, Micah would win with his Godzilla feet. Nate would win due to his ninja high-school anti-bully powers. Mad scientist (name escapes me) would win if he assumed his ultimate form (Beast, X-men 3), and Caleb would win due to being the PUNisher and all his guns, and that one redhead (name escapes me) would win if she's on her period.
You guys should do the Roast they are awesome!
14:35 inspired me to write this Here you go a renegade non erotic fanfiction. The Renegade Civil War:Saturday 7:00pm Austin,Texas center of town. Micah:tell me Caleb did you ever think it would end this way because you know it doesn't. (Micah says this as the rain showers on his face Caleb looks on with a twisted glow in his eyes.)Caleb: just shut up you know this is were it ends this is how the Renegades die and brother or not you will be the first.(Caleb pulls out two browning hi powered pistols as Micah unsheathed his favorite creation a rare double edged katana)Micah:I still care about you but if this is the only way to knock some sense into you bring it on don't miss. (With lightning fast speed he charged and attacked swinging his sword with enough force to cut ten men. With an even faster reflexes Caleb blocks the strike with the gun then grabs the sword and kicks his brother in the chest. Micah hits the ground struggling to realize what just happened only to feel pierce his shoulder. )Micah: arrrgghh! What! but how. Caleb: I have changed a lot since we last met that not even you the fastest assassin in the world couldn't best my...(in the middle of his rant Micah pulls out a Molotov cocktail and throws it in his face) Caleb: ahhh you bastard(Caleb tries to put out the inferno on his face)Micah: but you couldn't change your ego.(Micah charges and punches him in the face bruising his hand ignoring the pain and tries to kick him in the face only to have his leg grabbed and have him thrown into a wall) Caleb: that's it you're pissing me off(Caleb then presses a button on his wrist Micah gets up to look his brother in the face. He freezes as he realizes the skin on his face is replaced with a metal and glowing red eyes) Micah: my god so you really did it you're an abomination.Caleb: no I am your death(he charges and grabs Micah by the neck choking him) Micah: go ahead you'll be doing me a favor(Caleb smiles)Caleb: you're right I want you to suffer (drops him) Now! Get him!(seven cops immediately grab him and start placing cuffs on him) Micah: what the hell.Cop: Micah sayur you're under arrest for possession of illegal firearms and tax evasion.(they pull him back and throw him in the back of a swat car)Micah: no! I'm not going back you can't make me!(Caleb watches and laughs not noticing the speeding car racing towards him)Caleb: wait what's that.CRASH!!(7 minutes earlier) Ben:Nate I'm not sure about this Nate: ben we have to save Micah hurry up and get in the car(they get in and speed off)back to fight: Caleb:now what the hell was that(immediately hit by a wrench)Nate: Micah ain't going nowhere besides he's to pretty for prison.(Nate looks to see all the cops "unconscious" and Micah okay but too much in pain to move)Caleb:okay that's it I'm going to rip off your arms and use them to applaud your demise.Nate: how about we even the playing field Ben are you sure this will work Ben: ha ha ha I have no idea (pulls out some kind of ray gun and fires it at Nate then starts to glow from the energy in his body Nate looks at Caleb runs over and bear hugs him)Ben:Nate now do it.Nate: Nakatomi!...Blast!(a massive explosion hits them like a mini nuke the force throws Ben into a restaurant and Micah into a car the smoke disappears only to reveal a full robot Caleb now even more pissed off)Caleb: you are all going to be terminated don't pray to god because I killed him.(just as finished his sentence he gets hit by an unknown object knocking him into a bank Ben gets up and sees their last shred of hope their strongest hero swinging bo like a sledgehammer the one the only one punch windham they were saved)Caleb:now what is it.....oh shit.windham: alright boy you have cost enough trouble stop now or I will beat you to death with my trusty bo'sball bat (sorry had to do it)Bo:F yeah (Caleb gets up with no warning and starts charging at her fist ready to bust her head open windham charges also ready to swing bo and knock him down.Caleb gets to her and grabs bo and throws him into another building then with all his strength punches windham sending her three blocks away.Windham lands on the ground now pissed off gets up and gets into a fighting stance)Windham: you've done it now get ready for my strongest attack(Caleb now realizes the situation and soon regerts hitting her so hard and with all his speed and strength runs as fast as me can to finally finish this as windham charges up her attack) windham:Ooonnne... Puuunnnccchhh ("windam then unleashes her final attack and hits Caleb with such force it sends a powerful shock wave shattering all the windows and much of Caleb's body as he flys off into the sky he screams one final threat)Caleb: I'll be baaaaaacck.(windham looks on and smiles)windham: and I'll be here to kick your ass again(she then walks over to collect her friends)windham: Nate wake up I know your not dead.Nate: windham is that you oh no think I see a bright light I'm coming Elizabeth(windham then kicks Nate in the ribs)Nate: Oww okay okay fine just trying to be dramatic come on ben let's get Micah before the cops show up.Ben: it worked yes I can't wait to see if I could make the explosion bigger. Nate: No! Never again that hurts(windham laughs at her crazy friends wraps her arms around them and says)Windham: come on guys let's go get a beer(they all smile and walk off into the night dragging Micah)The End?
Micah would win by throwing a bowl of mac n cheese at you. Why? *ELBOW* NOODLES
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Hey guys, my cousin is Chadwick Bozeman, his sister was at my family reuion this summer!
When you think about it, Zemo is really the only MCU villain who accomplished his goal. so far Not counting Loki at the end of Thor 2...
And he was someone who basically had nothing to lose, and actually had a viable endgame, unlike Lex Loser who pretty much had everything from the beginning and only set himself up to lose by setting loose a violent monster that would either get him incriminated for being a criminal if the heroes win, or probably destroy the planet or something if the heroes lose. As for motives, Zemo wasn't the best, but I'll take a fairly straightforward revenge plot over a college freshman's thesis on God and the devil or whatever after taking a few weeks of philosophy.
BvS is about enemies becoming friends, while Cap 3 is about friends becoming enemies. Zemo's plan was very simple: get the evidence regarding 12/16/1991 with Bucky's help in order to use it against the two leaders of the Avengers at some point. That's it! All other conflicts were caused by the heroes themselves.
Technically BvS was less enemies becoming friends and more one guy wanted to kill another guy and changing his mind at the last minute.
Why didn't Zemo just email the evidence of 12/16/1991 to Tony when he found it instead of waiting for the end to show him could've saved an hour and a half of the run time......................................yeah.........think of that
OllieBlazin because he didnt have the footage until he made it to the base in Siberia. that's where the footage was. He was gonna find a way to get Stark to see the video after he left the compound but Cap and Iron Man just happened to show up for him to play it for them.
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I meant the written documents in the book that Zemo drowned at the very beginning. He could've just copied and pasted the book onto a flash drive and just sent it Tony Stank.
OllieBlazin But see that's the point. he only had the mission report. thats why he was so adamant to catch Bucky and find out exactly what that mission was. He needed visual evidence. I highly doubt Stark would believe a written document claiming someone he knows killed his parents
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You guys seriously need to work on your volume levels. All 3 of you have a different loudness, and they're all overwhelmed by the videos you watch, so you try to tell jokes during the clips and we have no idea what you said.
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Honestly, I liked civil war but I think it's overhyped. All of the marvel movies are good movies, but I really never felt like any of them were amazing like people act like.
I love the fact that marvel fanboys get butt hurt over honest trailers telling the truth about Civil War.
If you watched some of their other reactions, you'd see they are also DC fanboys. It's really not hard to see how much better Civil War was done than BvS, similarities aside.
Jace Fincham I have no issue with people saying Civil War is a better film, it is.
What I do have an issue with, is people acting like BvS is a major dumpster fire while Civil War is a masterpiece. Lol cause that's not the case no matter who tries to convince themselves. That's why people get bent out of shape over BvS getting hated on so much and Civil War getting praised so much, even though Civil War is the superior film it isn't miles and miles ahead of BvS like critics want to say, and it's good that Honest trailers and HISHE at least have the guts to point that out. I think Winter Soldier is better than Civil War.
You have valid points. I definitely liked BvS; Affleck and Irons were perfectly casted, and I loved every moment they were on the screen. Cavill is a good actor, but he just seemed lackluster in the film. Storywise, BvS was an absolute trainwreck, though. And Lex... ugh -- felt more like Joker to me (and not a good version).
Civil War, while diverging somewhat from the source material, still maintained consistency and has a much more coherent plot than BvS. On top of that, the characters are superbly written and acted.
So yes, comparatively, CW is a masterpiece and BvS is a dumpster fire.
I love how desperate DC fanboys are for some small victory for their suffering movie franchise.
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Anyone else think that Marvel might be setting up a version of the Masters of Evil for after Infinity War using Zemo, Loki, and whoever else they can use?
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i'm the only one how likes avengers age of ultron more than the original avengers but not better than civil war
i like more than the original because i think more things and had more charater moments
I liked Age of Ultron better than the first too. To be fair, I didn't like the first one, just enjoyed it.
I liked Age of Ultron better than the first too. To be fair, I didn't like the first one, just enjoyed it.
it wasn't an adamantium/virbanium alloy anyway.. that was a printing error. Cap's shield was vibranium and some other metals until it was infused with Uru metal not that long ago. it never had adamantium in it.
the ultimates Cap did have adamantium in it but no vibranium it was all adamantium.
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Civil war between the three of you will be won by Deadpool, cause he's that good at violence.
ive seen the roast its funny as hell
if the civil war is strictly between Micah Ben and Nate I feel like Micah would win
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"I think those are broad generalizations." I think you're in denial and a fanboy. Both villains plans were convoluted and shitty. Both featured the heroes fighting each other. Neither movie was really that good. Neither movie had any kind of lasting stakes.
miss wyndom would win by becoming unicrons true form
build an iron man suit in the shape of a t-rex?
6:49 Neh, Zemo is evil.
Moon Knight is said to be the batman of Marvel
would the Renegades civil war involve a flight of stairs? possibly in a school?
Avengers age of ultron was Hawkeye the movie I don't think it was bad I liked ultron but it was a disappointment but not bad
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Such DC haters. The only DC thing they EVER talk about is BvS.
No no no no.... Iron Man is the Batman of Marval.....
Please do the roast of captain america.
I'm saying you Nate
YOU DUN MESSED UP A-A RON
If this was Avengers, it *WOULD* say Avengers in the title of the movie
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Am I the only person who honestly liked Age of Ultron more than the first Avengers? We're all free to our own opinions but I feel that the first Avengers is a bit overrated. Don't get me wrong. I loved it and it's a great movie. But my peak enjoyment of it was when I saw it for the first time in the theater and experienced the fun alongside everyone there. When I re-watch it, there are some parts of the movie that drag. Age of Ultron gave me what I wanted in an Avengers 2. It further developed the characters, was a bit darker, and was thoroughly interesting from beginning to end. I love Civil War more than Age of Ultron but, as of now, Age of Ultron is my favorite Avengers movie.
Whovian Roxas they killed off Quicksilver for no reason. Therefore, it's inferior to Avengers 1 plus Shwarma scene.
Connor Jaegar The death of Quicksilver personally didn't bother me because it fit the narrative of the film. A big theme of Age of Ultron is the price that you pay when you try to do the right thing. Again and again, Tony makes these mistakes in his pursuit of saving the world and pays for every one of them. Cap says it before they head out to Sakovia. Being a hero comes with a price and they might not come back alive from this battle; as they are facing a villain whose only desire is to kill everyone. So someone had to die. Yes, it sucks that it had to be Quicksilver but he died following the example that Cap and the other Avengers set for him. Quicksilver's death was a vital part of the narrative. Plus, it was the conclusion of the movie's greatest mislead: Hawkeye. The entire movie laid the groundwork for a tragic Hawkeye death. He's got a family. He's thinking about putting his hero days aside to focus on his family. It would have been really easy to give Hawkeye, the least popular Avenger in the MCU, a tragic death. But they didn't and pulled the rug out from under everyone; and I applaud them for doing so.
And in case you bring up an argument about how Quicksilver could have easily dodged the bullets, I argue that those bullets were fired from a motorized machine gun (and were a lot faster than normal bullets like the ones fired in Days of Future Past) and plus they were fired by a super-intelligent robot who could calculate where to shoot and still hit Quicksilver.
Finally, yeah the Shwarma scene is cute but it's not enough to make me consider Avengers 1 superior to Age of Ultron. But that's just my two cents.
Yeah. I still like Age of Ultron but I cant watch the first Avengers movie without switching it off, its not stood the test of time very well.
I enjoyed Age of Ultron more on the first viewing, since I felt the original took a lot longer to pick up and had more lulls in the action, and I really enjoyed Ultron as a villain. I still need to watch it again to see how it holds up.
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I feel like they should of done with Age of Ultron... What they did with Captain America Civil War... A Iron Man movie with the other Avengers in it... Would of done better in my opinion... Plus I don't think they handled the Tony and Ultron... friction? Idk... but ya that wasn't handled right...
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You should really watch Everything Great About BvS. You need it. Seriouly.
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Why are they answering a joke made by screen junkies with a very logical explanation. Like cmon, this guys are pointing out some plots that are obviously just being stretched out by screen junkies to make a joke that even an mcu fan that hasn't read any comics can figure out.
But the Zemo thing seems like a cop out at the end. The Avengers didn't do anything to his family and he wasn't the only who lost his family. And then causing the death of innocent lives. He was just a hypocrite. Giving a bullshit traigic story at the end just ruined his character for me. If it was in beginning or giving some glimpse of it through out the movie, I could of at least give it some creidit. Just because a villain has a tragic past does not automatically make him "realistic" nor does it mean that it is good writing or that you should sympathize with him. People say that Luthor's plan was bad, but Zemo's plan just thrives cause of coincidence and plot convenience. Of course I'm not going to say that Luthor's plan was better though. But as a character, I thought Luthor was better than Zemo. Throught the movie, Luthor gave bits and pieces of his ideas and motivation and didn't have to give a stupid plot twist or some cop out "hey, actually not evil, sympathize with me". Luthor never tried to justify his actions. Luthor actually had money, resources, technology, the brain, had others, had the influences. Zemo might seem like more realistic of the two, but Luthor actually having a planned the somehow worked seemed more believable and his motivations didn't seem like last minute crap and I can see him doing crap like that and having those believes.
Luthor was complete garbage. He was an idiot with nothing to gain and everything to lose through his actions, and his motives were basically the writer's half-assed thesis on "Superman is God, and also Jesus maybe".
tacoman422 No. His motives was that he wants power. His hatred for Superman is because he is like a god figured. I actually think it's actually poetic in a way, what they did with Superman.
I disagree. I don't think he was garbage at all. He was a good villain but a bad Lex Luthor in my opinion.
Adrian Vazquez Morales Pretty sure Superman already gave him more power through his actions in the previous movie, since he states that he made a ton of money off of the damage Superman caused Metropolis. And I'd accept the power argument since that is a big aspect of Luthor's character in several versions of Superman, but given the crowded nature of this movie that isn't communicated well at all, he doesn't demonstrate the interest you'd think he might have in having control over Superman, and most tellingly, his final solution to dealing with someone more powerful than him is someone even MORE powerful than that who he actually has LESS control over.
tacoman422 But it's wasn't about money, but power. He has tons of money and has tones intellect. And wasn't conveyed well? I'm am glad that Luthor never said what he wanted inasted hinted it in one of his speeches. He gave several hints. It actually treated their audience mature and smart enough to figure it out. He never told every single detail of his plan, but we saw it.
And he wanted to kill Superman, not control him. He wanted everybody against him and manipulate.
I agree that the Doomsday plan was rushed and I would of something better. But it wasn't the worst thing. He woke Doomsday because that was the only thing he could do. Batman didn't kill Superman and saved his mother and then there was Superman right in front of him. He didn't have the power to stop Superman. Nobody did. So here comes Doomsday. Didn't matter if he could control it or not. Either that or face being captured by Superman. But yeah, would of been better if didn't have a stupid last fight scene just like most comic book movies.
Adrian Vazquez Morales Well, what you call smart writing I call a bunch of psuedo-philosphical exposition on the supposed deeper meaning of the film the writer/director intends to convey in place of actual natural dialogue that can allow the audience to understand and relate to the characters and draw their own interpretations, but agree to disagree.
That said, your last point does tie in with possibly my biggest issue with BvS, the sheer volume of plot potential that could have been fleshed out if had been divided into several movies, such as introducing major elements and characters in Superman's universe, DC's major heroes meeting for the first time, Superman's relationship with the world as an outsider with godly power, The Dark Knight Returns, The Death of Superman, and more, instead squeezed into the second movie of a franchise. It just seems like they really should have had someone say "I think this movie has more than enough to work with, let's save some ideas for later" to give them the impact they deserved. Not every brought into Marvel's films has been a bullseye, but they generally don't put all their eggs in one basket this badly. Really, that's the kind of stuff that brought down two separate Spider-Man movie continuities.
Not to say I hated everything, since I did enjoy it more than Man of Steel. I generally enjoyed most of the Batman related stuff at the least. Still, I'd rather not this turn into another ten years where Batman is the only thing I can look forward to from DC.
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Mica for the win
Watch cinemasins and cinemawins and debate the different point of view of each video, it would be nice XD.
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When will Caleb return?
Hey. could you guys check out Cinema Wins please. It's really good, and is the exact opposite of CinemaSins.
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