Demystifying Tuning by Ear - Clearing Heads | Season Five, Episode 50
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- Tuning by ear can be incredibly daunting. Whether you can struggle with matching pitches or aren’t even sure what to be listening for, we’re going to help make it a bit clearer in this episode demonstrating how to get a drumhead in tune with itself.
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I had a lot of difficulty tuning by ear, but through using a Tunebot and practicing tuning constantly, I finally learned what to listen for.
Glad to hear that you put in the time with practicing and are experiencing the benefits!
Same for me..tune bot wise.. that helped me.. I still use tune bot when tuning my whole kit, but day to day tuning when I just need to get one drum straight, I’m pretty good at it now just going by ear and skill.
Once I bought a nice maple kit, tuning also became easier. But cause the drums sounded much more a live..
When I tuned my old kit before giving it away, I realized how little life the kit had and tuning was actually harder..
I used TuneBot and it's suggested tunings to get a better idea of how high / low I should be going initially. Getting one drum in tune wasn't that hard for me, but getting the whole set to basically provide fun intervals to play with was my main problem. Trying out different tunings from their "library" helped a lot with that.
Same here. I couldn’t tell the difference between high or low pitch until I got the tune bot. After a lot of practice with it, I’m finally comfortable and confident about tuning to how I like it.
Yup it works but only if you know what you're listening for!
One of my drum teachers taught me this technique years ago, and I'm delighted to see it here!
One thing I was taught that wasn't mentioned: when tensioning a lug, you always want to finish by going up (tighter). If lugs don't match, tension the one that's lower up to the higher one. And if you need to go lower on a given lug, go a little lower than where you want to end up, then finish the move by tensioning back up to the right pitch. Supposedly it helps the drum stay in tune longer.
If the end result is a whole drum that's higher than you want, just like you said, Cody, you bring all the lugs down. I've found that once the drum is in tune, by keeping my turns consistent, I can move the whole thing up or down fairly reliably and not feeling like I'm starting completely over with a wonky drum.
I've heard the same tuning advice from string players, too. I haven't tested this to see if ending a move by going looser is worse for intonation, but it's how I've always done it and it seems to work well.
Very helpful, and yes, on the snare video. I could see a series of 'tuning not our drum' videos. I feel like these drums are either quite easy to tune and heads are always new.
I'd like to see you walk up to random kits, and going through each drum head where you struggle.
Important video - that light muting trick has worked well for me. Finger rimshot over each lug works better in loud environments. The best tuning advice I got was from Benny Greb, saying to simply tune your drums a lot and you’ll get better at it. I have noticed that my ear gets better and better at hearing the drum pitches. They are very different from piano, guitar, vocal pitches, with a lot of notes going on around the fundamental note.This is also a good thing, it’d be horrible if drums had to be pitch match other instruments. You would need 12 tom toms for western music, and even more for indian music. :-)
Fantastic video. I think there is a lot fear from people who struggle to hear the difference in lug tunings and they don't realise this is a learnable skill. By attentively listening we will develop the ability to hear. Just keep at it. Skills are learned over time, there's no mystery. Persevere. It's fun being able to tune a drum or do some other skill that's acquired through persistence. using a machine sounds boring.
ALL OF THIS.
I basically tune the same way on the drums but with two differences. One is placing a Moongel (or other silicone drum dampener) on the center of the head. To me it's more consistent than the finger dampening method. The other thing is that I like using a mallet vs a stick whenever I'm going between the tension rods. The Vic Firth 5A Dual Tone is perfect for this. To me, the mellowness of each felt tap makes the pitch more distinct and thus easier to get the head in tune with itself.
I like to play after a couple beers so the finger technique isn't always accurate because I can't tell if I'm pressing to hard lol. I'd invest in a pressure tuner.
Tuning snares when there are 2-3 overtones and 10 lugs so it's hard to tell which lug you need to turn is the most challenging to me. Putting a gel on it can help to reduce overtones while tuning. Also dampening the snare side head helps. Then there's the struggle of getting both heads in a good relation to each other so you get the natural resonance of the drum. I also strongly recommend using two tuning keys at the opposite side of each other at the same time. It made it much easier for me to keep the lugs relationship when tuning up or down for a lower or higher pitch.
The scariest part is when you have a really good sound and are afraid of losing it. But then playing will also eventually lose the sound anyway, slowly... And once you know how to get it back, it is really rewarding. :D
I have the exact same frustrations with my 10-lug snare as well. I've found that putting a bandana over the entire head, and tapping around the edge can really help make the pitches more obvious to my ear.
Like pretty much everything else with me, I taught myself tuning. And while I was a terrible drum teacher to myself, tuning was one thing I got right almost from the start. It just made sense to me to tune the lugs opposite each other, rather than going around. Getting consistent pitch around the head seemed like the right way to go, too. My rule of thumb when tuning toms is: Past finger-tight, never go more than a quarter-turn at a time.
As always, thanks for doing this, guys. Someday, when I have a little more cash, I promise to contribute to your Patreon.
One cool tip that Benny Greb shared on Remo's channel: when you're changing heads on a drum, once you've got the new ones on and tuned to your liking, take them off completely and do it again! If you change your tom heads say 4 times a year, do this process 4 times and you get a years worth of "tuning experience" in a couple of hours! (Would not apply to snare bottom head though..)
Yes! We've covered methods for practicing tuning on this channel as well. It's not enough to watch a video or even tune a drum once. Repeating the process and experimenting will help improve your understanding of the cause and effect of tuning so your expectations and reality are better aligned.
Gotta stretch them a little!
I still hear a slight difference in the two offending lugs - so that means it's acceptable and "in tune"?
Awesome content. I really liked the isolation of the overtone, I wasn't listening for that when I tune.
I've been tuning drums for 35 years, and I thought I was pretty good at it, then I got one of the iPhone drum tuning apps, and it really helped me even out the tension/pitch of each lug. it confirmed some of the things I was doing right, and corrected some of the things I was doing wrong. The apps/tunebot don't replace knowledge and practice, they actually promote learning of drum tuning theory. I definitely would like to see more videos of turning drum keys and hearing the differences in sound as the tensions are changed in real time. A video of loosening off the head and starting from scratch would be great.
Which app do you use?
@@DougAustin iDrumTunePro. They actually have a very good series of TH-cam videos that are great drum tuning tutorials even if you don't have the app.
@@allanshookphoto Thank you! I will give their apps a look!
Prof. Sound's Drum Tuning Bible got me started twenty years ago with the basics. Still reference it from time to time
bought a cheap acoustic kit as my first kit and it came with beat up heads and i spend weeks practicing tuning on them and testing different methods and tuning and trying to get a good sound out of them and once i started changing the heads tuning became 10x easier.
This is great. Isolating the pitch of the overtone is going to be so helpful to so many people. With the amount of sonic information coming out of a drum, and the slippery nature of trying to assign words to each facet of these sounds, just making it clear like that is something I wish I had years ago. That said, I still struggle with snare tuning, and mixing up overtones and fundamentals is a trick because I like a lower snare, but what I get is something loose and ringy and sloppy (there's that difficulty in trying to name these sounds), whereas a higher tuning is tighter and more solid, and more satisfying, at least once I dampen the hell out of it. So a video like this on snare tuning would be great as well.
I commited a lot of my time from 19-22 to learn how to tune drums. I messed some skins up with extreme tuning. I bought too many skins in that time because i was curious what is possible with tuning and different skins. I even tried tons of possibilities in muffling. I am happy that i invested a lot of time and money in this topic. It helps me so much to have experience in it, wether it‘s my kit in a unknown room or a backline kit, my experience really helps me a lot. I‘ve had a lot of impressed sound tecs that were unhappy about the long decay of a tom and i told them „give me a min“, they roll their eyes but afterwards it was gone. Without them needing to gate the hell out of my drums. Tuning really helps to transport the sound you want and i highly suggest people to experiment and try different things. Really good video!
Well said! - In video & comments! I began down this road 8 years ago. My big mistake was mistaking higher & lower pitches. (Facepalm) So much wisdom here! Happy to say 8 years later & thanks to videos like this - I'm worlds better & soaking up more all the time. I love the challenge now of going to house kits & fixing it before going on. They are almost NEVER in tune or heads cleared. Thank you! 10 out of 10! 🤓 #drumscience
I used to tune by ear and if it sounded good in that room I'd use it. I decided to get a tuning app so I could really know what I was doing. I decided to try a different tuning every gig I do in a cover band and see what works and what didnt. Two heads at the same pitch sustained too long for what I was doing. Last night I tried reso tighter and seemed to do the trick as far as lessening the sustain. I think tune bot and similar apps are raising the bar for drummers getting to know their instrument better. Drummers can now demystify the science of drum tuning and can make their instrument sound as good as any other on the stage now.
Another great video, Cody and Ben! I do have a Tunebot, but I've been trying to veer away from that lately, as I think it can make it even more confusing, particularly with the snare side head. A phenomena I've noticed (again with the snare side head) is "ear fatigue", where I can't differentiate between one lug being higher or lower. I don't know if other people have experienced this ? Anyway, tenacity will (eventually) win the day. Thanks for your posts, I look forward to more.
I built a snare recently, it might be because I like to crank heads up on them, but it felt like a easy drum to practice ear tuning with.
Nicely done guys. Right on the money.
This is such a great shop talk channel about the nuances of drum sound. I played a janky kit for a long time and grew accustomed to wild overtones. I recently picked up a Gretsch USA Custom, I can tune in unison pretty well, and it is almost too controlled for what I'm used to. I miss the drifting overtones, lol. I tune my drums every week as I set-up for a weekly band rehearsal. My goal isn't just to tune well, it's to tune quickly every time I set-up. Each venue is different, other musicians are warming up, crowds are talking, etc. Tuning in unison is step one for me, and then being able to adjust lugs/heads as needed for how I'm feeling the room.
If I’m not really going for a specific tone, I use the Rob Brown method of just tightening each lug until the wrinkles disappear. More often than not that give a perfectly good and useable sound. Great video as usual guys.
YES!! Please we would absolutely love a video like this for the snare !!!
Yess,, this is the video i wanted for tuning. To learn to identify those different lug tones. So many videos on youtube about tuning but this is of real help. Thankyou❤.... And yes please do a snare tuning too from scratch. Also tell what is that good sound that we should aim while tuning. Also that floor tom sounded really really good. One of the best i heard. 🤘
I have really been investing a lot of time in the past few years especially the past year or so into really exploring tuning. I am pretty happy with my ability now and enjoy the process for the most part. I tune my drums every two days or so for practice and to keep everything sounding nice. I have found that sometimes it is hard to immediately tell whether the problem lug is too high or too low if it is drastically out of tune. Some thing about the overtones and deadness of the lug can definitely cause the illusion of the opposite problem even though I have pretty decent ears for it. Just some thing for other people to look out for when practicing tuning. I notice it especially on the higher tuned Drums
One trick that can be helpful, is that instead of tapping the head, tap the rim/tension rods instead (rim directly above a given tension rod). The pitch of the lug/rod/rim is often easier to hear and corresponds to the pitch of the head. I find this particularly useful when tuning a very resonant drum.
Both the batter and resonant heads will always have the same fundamental pitch (F0) no matter if one is tight and the other is loose. This is the most common misunderstanding about drum tuning. People think that the batter can have one pitch and the resonant another, and this is how you get different sounds. You can't. They will both always have the same F0. But they will have different F1 (first overtone) depending on how tight they are.
The sound of the drum is made from many frequencies (pitches) sounding at the same time, which gives the timbre of the drum. The fundamental pitch F0 is the most audible pitch, and the pitch we say the drum is tuned to. At the same time there are a number of overtones, which are higher in pitch. F1 is the first and most audible overtone from the head. F0 is always the same no matter where you hit the drum, and it doesn't matter if you hit the batter or the resonant head, and both heads vibrate at the same time with the same F0. F1 differs in strength and frequency depending on which head you hit and where you hit the head.
When you clear a head you listen to the F1 as you hit near each lug, and then try to adjust the lugs so that you have the same F1 at all of them. When you muffle the center of the head you muffle F0 so you mostly hear F1, as in shown in this video. To understand this, it is very helpful to look at a spectral analysis of the sound and all its overtones, for example using the free phone app Spectroid.
When we talk about tuning the resonant head to a higher pitch, we mean that the F1 of the resonant is higher than the F1 of the batter. But the F0 is exactly the same for both, because it can't be any other way. Important to remember this to not get confused. When you increase tension of a head, the F0 for both heads go up, and the F1 of the current head also goes up, but the F1 of the other head is not affected.
The timbre (general sound) of the drum mostly depend on the pitch of the F0 and F1 coming from the batter head. To most people, the drum sounds best when F1 is 1.5 times higher than F0 for the batter head. For example when F0 is 100 Hz and F1 is 150 Hz. To accomplish this, you first tune the drum to 100 Hz (both heads approx equally tight, both heads cleared). You then check the frequency of the F1 for the batter head. If it is too low, you tighten the batter head while at the same time loosen the resonant head an equal amount. This will make the drum stay at F0 100 Hz while increasing the F1 of the batter head.
You are doing the same thing when you use the old trick of tuning the resonant F1 to a certain musical interval higher than the batter F1. This is just a more precise way to get the same result, and it helps you understand better what is actually happening.
It is described in detail here: www.drumacoustics.com/
Good video. Confirms a lot of what I do. I think I would’ve still gone another 1/8 of a turn on those offending lugs. Sounded like they were both still just a little lower, and not by the same degree. I’d love a video on snare. Also one on determining where a natural pitch is for a drum - not too high, not too low. For years I think I tuned my toms higher than their natural range. Now I play smaller toms and don’t tune them as high and I think they sound better.
This was a great lesson, Cody. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
Always great information. Please do a snare tuning video
I started late (20), I even have degrees in music and I hate to say that I can't really tune drums. I've been poor most of my life and was too afraid to ruin the drum or have to buy a new head to give it the due diligence.
Now that I have a decent day job and a better set of ears, I'm really going to try and give this a shot.
Thank you for the video.
Loved every sec of it very informative 🤟🏼🤟🏼🥁🇨🇦
I was never happy with the sound of my drum kit until I got a tune bot. It gave me an actual understanding of what does what
Glad you found something that helped you. Hopefully you're feeling more confident in your tuning so that you're not reliant on the Tune Bot to tune drums.
This video blows my mind . It's all in the ears
You can probably take care of that with a q-tip.
Hi, great video as always! I would really like to see how different drums react to the same tuning - tuning a few drums with the same heads to the same note and then seeing what happens! Thanks!
Great content! Would definately watch another video with snare tunning tips.
Would love to not only hear this on Snare, but Kick too.
As a person who is already good with tuning by ear - I think it would have been easier to hear what you were going for with tuning the overtone (right at 3:18 for example) if you used the exact pitch instead of the octave-up pitch for the pure sine tone. Otherwise, this is great confirmation I've been doing it right!
I am struck with how good the drum sounded with that pair of lugs a whole step lower than the others. Great content, this stuff is harder than it seems until you do it a while! Sometimes it can be deceiving or troublesome to determine which of the two opposite lugs needs more tension, if they are not evenly detuned like yours was.
It's unfortunate that people often feel like they're simply incapable of tuning if it doesn't come immediately but, just like most aspects of drumming, you have to practice and experiment (especially with different drums) to gain fluency. With regard to the quality of sound when out of tune, you might enjoy this video: th-cam.com/video/QqU56kk664M/w-d-xo.html
@@SoundsLikeADrum Thanks!
95% of the time if my drum has 6 lugs (like a 12 tom), they work in pairs, so 2 lugs opposite each other will have a higher or lower pitch than the rest. If the two are lower then I suggest lowering the rest of the lugs and tuning the whole drum up, starting with the problematic lugs. If the lugs are higher then I suggest lowering them and readjusting the drum, finishing with the problematic lugs. Works wonders for me, I guess it resettles the tension around the head instead of trying to pull the head in different directions and thus stretching it. If you do this many times you will overstretch the drum head and lose a lot of tone. Also be mindful of the type of hoops you use, the die cast ones are really problematic if you don't know what you're doing. Flanged hoops are so easy to work with, even if they don't stay in tune as much as die cast ones.
Cool look. Just shave and you are ready to go. You still have me tied to your channel since day 1. Keep up the good work.
This is very helpful - thanks! A question though: how often should one tune drums… Daily, weekly, monthly?
I always struggle with the floor tom. Yours sounds great. Would appreciate a video on that too if you find the time.
Glad you found some value in it! As for how often you should tune drums, we recommend checking how they sound every time you sit down just to ensure that they sound the way you want them to. If you want to improve at tuning, practice starting from scratch and tuning your drums the same way you'd practice a particular groove or rudiment that you're working on. Regarding the floor tom, we've got videos that go over floor tom tuning. Just search for "floor tom" on our channel to see a selection of videos. Cheers!
As always, excellent video, thank you very much! I would love to see you do the same thing with Remo Silent Stoke heads.
Glad you enjoyed it! Hmmm, mesh heads? I wouldn't say the method is all that different but you really don't have to agonize over intonation the same way with those heads.
Funny you mention tuning silent stroke heads. This week I experimented with matching the snare head to different cowbell pitches for a more musical tone and experiment with burying the click depending on the sound of the click. Basically matching the pitch of the click with the snare pitch in order to bury the click. I admit its a little obsessive but it was a fun experiment.
@@sullysullster8217 Now that's cool! I, personally, don't think there is anything wrong with experiments like that! Thanks for sharing, that sounds like an interesting idea. I spent some time this weekend getting my snare under control. It has had this sort of flat noisy snare sound and the throw was over tightened so I took the snare off and pre-configured everything and now it sounds absolutely incredible! Totally worth the time spent! Nothing wrong with spending some quality time with the various parts of the kit. I'd love to hear more about your different experiments!
@@DeadDad1 Thanks for the reply and interest. I do a lot of experimenting with gear as I do practicing. One thing Ive done is make drum mat that decouples the bass drum from the floor resulting in much better bass drum sound. Its about three layers that lift the front of the bass drum. Waaay more low end. Ive got some percussion pedals that Im going to patent. Im fascinated with what Benny Grebb addresses in the science of groove. What makes a band "in the pocket". Things like ahead or behind the beat. The psychology of music etc...
@@sullysullster8217 Very nice! I would love to learn more about what you're using under your bass drum (I am sure my neighbors below me would appreciate it as well 😂) and I love Benny! He's talked about timing and how if everyone is in sync then you're not actually out of time, he's got a great philosophical mind and I love his grooves and how it's so tight. He's an excellent drummer! Thank you for your time! I definitely am interested in trying to pad my bass drum as much as possible to avoid upsetting my neighbors below me (everyone else is fine she's my only real concern) so hopefully what you share will help as I have a drum mat, but, it's not quite enough.
After drumming 60 years it took a big chunk of that to figure out what this video has shown
Why is this episode, and multiple prior, not showing up on PATREON site? Thanks
I could have swore the offending lug was higher? Are my ears dyslexic?😂
Snare too please!
Snare
The snare drum is the biggest pain in my ass when it comes to tuning.
please review snare for this video
Hi
Love you channel .Very Informative.
Well I'm writing about some hoops I can't seem to find.
Purchased a Pearl World Series set with these massive hoops .They have a sticker on the hoops saying Pearl Super Hoop made in Japan only the floor tom has them.
They are over 3cm in height and Super solid but the person before me changed the 12 and 13 to stock before selling, me clueless didn't know till I researched it.
I cannot find a 12 or 13 inch Super Hoop Pearl that were made in Japan.........can you help in any way shape or form ?
Thank you so much.
Btw- I'm in Downunder Oz.
Saul
Cody, what mics do you use on the firm kit? Are they earthworks?
AKG is our microphone Production Partner. We've got all of our gear listed in the video description. -Ben
Great video! I think my problem is figuring out the best way to tune the reso head. I feel like I can get the batter in tune with itself, but the drum still doesn't sound great (pitch bend, etc.) because of the reso. Advice?
Try experimenting with different intervals between batter and reso. You might consider starting with both heads tuned to the same pitch.
I’m working on an 8x13 and I am not satisfied with the amount of overtones I still have. Should I start by removing both heads and redo the Reso and then the batter. Do you think this is a good approach? I’m just frustrated. I love the sound of the tom one the vid, that is what I’m striving towards.
If you're struggling to get the drum in tune with itself, you may be best off starting from scratch. We'd recommend starting with the batter and then tuning the reso.
Its definitely not an easy thing to figure out tuning by ear i struggled with this for a long time when starting out on drums but with practice and a bit more understanding of what i was looking for it got easier
Yes, but it doesn't need to be quite as difficult as it's often made out to be. Knowing what to listen for and being able to hear the difference is more than half the battle and that's what we've covered here today.
@@SoundsLikeADrum Your answer to the previous comment couldn't be more true. Half of the battle is to know what to listen for and to which part of the sound to focus on when tuning. However, most drums we get a chance to play on are not properly tuned and cleared, so most of us don't know how to tell what IS a properly tuned drum, we are lacking the reference, and in addition to pitch recongition which can be quite difficult if your are not trained, tuning becomes a hassle. I would have loved to see at the end of the video how accurate clearing the pitches by ear is, compared to using a tunebot or drumtunepro smartphone app, and if any possible small inconsistancy is audible at all (waveform graphs are always welcome).
Thanks. All extra info does help. I tune by ear but mostly with Tunebot. Snare drum tuning is difficult. For me the tension / tone / pitch of the bottom head is most difficult. It should be higher than the top head but how much higher and can you give sound examples with snares off and snares on. And if there are options show some options. Bottom head of snare drum really is difficult for me. I mostly tune the top head 3G=196 Hz and that is about medium and i can play all kind of styles with it and rolls and rudiments also are OK. th-cam.com/video/9WJDsjMrFbU/w-d-xo.html If i tune bottom head higher i have to lower the top head till it is again 196 Hz and than of course the bottom head also lowers . So it takes some iterations to get a final sound. I mostly use standard tunings and since Tunebot i use the recommended tunings for a given setup. I play all kind of styles so a kind of well accepted intermediate tuning is OK for me. I have top and bottom of bass drum and toms at same pitch when the kit is mounted. With the diff function of Tunebot i tune all lugs top and bottom at same pitch. Dont get much compliments about my drum sound but have consistent pitches on all kind of drum kits in all kind of settings and genres so ...always drum on a drum kit that reacts as i feel OK or as i am used to, so can make music with all of them. The song /music is my goal. A piano or guitar is not tuned to a song or room or style or setting or event so i learn to play with thedrums as an instrument in all kind of styles and acoustics. So i learned to drum with intermediate / all round tunings in stead of jazz / funk / latin / rock / marching band / etc. tunings. All styles with 1 tuning. Have Many Pearl drum kits, really like Pearl for my allround style drumming. Now have a Pearl Vison Fusion kit with a mirror chrome wrap that really is difficult to get towards a good sound. I dont experiment with the tuning but with the heads, damping and if nothing works i have to change towards Optimount is stead of the ISS that introduces a lot of ring in all parts of the drum kit. This particular kits rings all over. Never had that befor. But also never used ISS befor. Have a lot of gigs (1400 life time, 4 to 6 rehearsals a week about 55 gigs average last 15 years) all styles. My drumming and sound is accepted everywhere. Just an average or perhaps below average drummer but having tuning, heads, drum kits, stage/podium, presentation, clothes, behaviour, shining drums/cymbals/hardware, some nice setups, some special things or colours or shapes, knowing all kind of accepted rhythms in all kind of styles and settngs i get around year after year. I have top range cymbals (Formula 602, K/A, HHX) and often use a Ludwig Supraphonic snare drum. Had lessons of many top drummers/teachers in all kind of styles and try to be up to date. Some people are special, top, have talent, etc. being about average there are a lot of elements to workj on and yes tuning is important and i really do pay attention to that. A guitar / piano/wind instrument / singer that is not tuned well .....? Some dont hear it but it does affect the performance and experience of the audience and musicians around you.
Was anyone else distracted by that cymbal in the upper left that's turned 90°?
It's been there for all 300+ of our videos over the course of the last five years so most people who have watched our series are quite used to it.
@@SoundsLikeADrum I did just find your channel recently (love it btw). But it's the first time I noticed it. Now I need to go back and rewatch 😀!
Welcome!
You verified which lug was out of tune, and in which direction, by tapping only two lug points. Logically, you need to tap at least three to make a determination.
Yes, though we set this up so we knew which was out of tune. You should always check every lug but that wasn’t what we were demoing here.
As always,, great subject Cody. !! I have some / enquiries on those FAT HATS if you don't mind please. If I message you on the Facebook/ messenger page would I be talking directly to you? As you are the one using these hi hats Or someone else, ? Cheers