-needs cable management -needs dust filters -need more modern/convenient/less finicky way of opening up side panels -needs MUCH MORE polishing in terms of design -MUCH LOWER PRICE and then, MAYBE i'll consider it...
I would get one if it was a little bit cheaper, had some dust filters and extra cable management, design will probably improve if they actually release the product and i could care less about how I open the side panels.
***** nono, i totally get you. You actually had to spend time and effort to tie those ribbon IDE cables up lolol. But seeing that it is now the modern computing days, this is a very nice and needed feature since this is supposed to be a premium case with many features...
DeilGrist Neither this case or the Ncase M1 are custom. They are made to be mass manufactured. And the M1 is justifiable at that price seeing its made entirely of aluminum.
+Tech By Matt Yeah it is not going to survive kickstarter. 250 dollars for a chassi without any dust filters, noise dampening or side window etc that has a small form factor but too heavy for anyone to drag around.
+Tech By Matt when I saw this case I was like " Yes! finally a really small micro atx case, hopefully it wont be too expensive :D" but then I saw the price ;-;
personnaly I always want to see and hear a review that includes a complete build when looking at a case. That way you can discover hidden problems if there are any and have insight into temps, dust etc. Plus it's just nice to see a finished example.
Dmitri on $70 cases: Rubber Grommets seemed flimsy, not so good for cable management Dmitri on $250 case: There are no cable management options, you have to route all your cables on the inside, which is "actually kind of a cool way to approach cable management." wtf. Don't get me wrong, I understand WHY they didn't invest much into a complex cable management system here, they were going for the most compact design possible, and if you're building a computer around a $250 case, you should have the patience to do a half decent job on cable management. However, the fact that you brush it off like it's no big deal when it's something you've heavily dinged other cases for it, well, it doesn't seem right. It felt like you were looking for reasons for this case to be worth $250, not giving your actual opinions about it.
+mygetrichslowplan You have a point, there are certainly issues when it comes to cable management in this form factor. However despite the lack of any spacing behind the rear panel, I decided to look at this task from a positive perspective. Adding width to the frame gets rid of the compact 18L form factor although would make it much easier to route.
+Orjon Zaganjori It's a niche product. There's NOTHING like this on the market. If you were to make your own 18mL case, it would cost you a lot more than $250. A lot of the cost went into engineering the thing, making prototypes, research, and manufacturing (research and development stuff). A bigger company could sell this case for much cheaper. But this isn't a company. This is just some guy that spent his own money and time making this case. The NCASE M1 is essentially an ITX version of this case, and many people think it's worth it's price ($200). I'd love it if it were cheaper, but it's price makes sense considering the cost of R&D, and that there's nothing like this on the market (the s09/s10 is close, but is 25% bigger). You could buy a Thermaltake case for 1/3 the price, but if you REALLY care about having the smallest no-compromise computer possible, then this product isn't meant for you.
+Paul Sholly THIS. I think the poor guy just is not as good in marketing his PC case. One thing I noticed about the Ncase M1, was that Necere and wahaha really planned well on how to market their case. I pretty much knew about the case from so many tech news outlets like a good year or so before V1 came out on Indiegogo and eventually their own website. I feel that choosing KickStarter, which has a somewhat bad reputation (South Park episode does not help), really hurt this otherwise awesome niche M-ATX PC case.
I prefer the usual format of videos rather than this one-take hands-on format because the former results in a shorter video and yet we get all the information necessary. Kudos to experimenting though!
Why thumbs down. We are gaining knowledge regardless the way the video was made. Buddy as always enjoyed the video thanks again for all the hard work.Some people just don't understand how much time it takes for you to make a video for us to enjoy. Thanks again.
we have a bunch of people in the comments saying 'wtf a $250 case without dust filters?' um wat? we have been letting caselabs get away with this for years
I think it would be cool if a company designed a case that had the honeycomb holes as a window panel that you could see through easily. No more acrylic scratching from light wipe downs and low dust visibility on the panel.
No build? Hope this is just a trial for you guys. Honestly your setup for case reviews is perfect. You have created a standard in YT. Please don't break it now. On the plus side it is good to see something that it isn't Phanteks, Corsair or NZXT.
i find videos reviewed like this more interesting. can see proportions, how they actually look like. also easier to point out even the smallest features.
Very interested if another company takes this approach at a lower price point. 240mm rad would also be a plus including full magnetic dust filters which wouldn't be too difficult to add.
i agree, no filters in this day and age is a big no no... also whats so advanced with this case? it doesnt respond to voice commands, it cant record my tv shows, its a ordinary dead case... missleading title imo 😂
+Robert Oortwijn I was about to say the same thing : "World's most advanced mATX Case?" and NO DUST FILTERS? That's stone age. Not buying a single case without them anymore, that's basically only thing I need from the case, everything else is relevant.
Interesting, as an NCASE owner i see the queues taken. Specially that 92mm fan on teh rear with watercooling routing holes is 100% made for the Frozen Q NCASE reservoir. Curiously the SFX PSU don't typically support SLI/XFire because they only have a single PCI PWR out. Meaning at best, in stock cabling configurations you only have 2x 8pins (or 6pin or combination of both). So you can run 2 GPU's so long as they only have a single connector.
what does this case needs is: 1. Cable Managemeng shroud inside the case,becase you know guys the frustration of a spaggetti on your system. 2. Rubber grommets for psu, case fans and hdd/ssd. 3. magnetic dust filters on front, bottom and top panels. This case is really intendent for lan parties (although it might be a little challenging due to its weight) or if you just want to save some space on you desktop area.
I want this case now. Optimally I'd put a240mm radiator on the front, ATX power supply with the fan facing the motherboard for cooling, SLI/crossfire, and fans everywhere.
I have never commented on your videos before, but I would like to take the time to say that this "rambling" video was enjoyable and more (occasional, of course) live overviews of products would be welcomed.
FINALLY I found the right case for myself. It has hard to remove side panels what will fix my obsesion to open the whole case whenever I want for no reason :-D
As far as sheer quality, innovation and new ideas, yeah this is definitely something I support. I'm not big on mATX cases but I'd love to see these guys get funded and maybe put out a mid or full tower some day!
Also worth noting that you need to go with a ATX power supply if you want to go flagship SLI anyway, at least with anything from this gen. The 600w SFX PSUs simply aren't enough.
When I went to kickstarter page I thought the case wasn't even available as one of the pledges since I was scrolling past $100 and it still made no mention of being able to get one. Nice.
Oh, I remember when this was just a build log it was sweet. Also those are automotive clips, take it from someone who has worked with them, they will break before they become loose and stop holding the ball joint.
I need this in a full-tower, with cable management and dust filters. combine the new features of this case with the excellent design of the 750D and that would be amazing.
Loudspeakers have successfully had front panels that pop on & off for decades. Here, they've reinvented that mechanism, AND bolloxed it up at the same time.
What is the basis for your question Spartan? I like small cases and this case looks like a great platform for me to mod. Thanks for your tiny minded comment.
Re. the issue of not allowing 240mm rads on the side hinge-bracket: It's because there is no PSU configuration that doesn't conflict with it. Obviously if you go with PSU in the alternate rear position, both SFX and ATX sizes preclude the AIO rad either way. But the fact that in the front position, even the smaller SFX (or SFX-L) are oriented flat toward the front, with the width of the PSU taking up the width of the whole case cross-wise -- this is what precludes the 240mm radiators in that configuration also. And the overall length (i.e. "depth") of the case is not enough to allow the PSU mount to be rotated 90-degrees, for the thinner PSU dimension to allow a radiator next to it. Because the PSU would run over the front RAM-slots on the motherboard that way, unless the whole case was about 3 inches longer.
This might be a decent enterprise on-the-go case. The production unit better be that durable and have a handle for that price though. The video isn't the usual HWC quality. This is closer to an impromptu vlog. I hope you do a typical HWC Case vid when it comes to market to see what they changed.
I didn't mind this overview, as it was Dmitry channeling first his inner Tiny Tom Logan and, ever so briefly, Ahnold. As for the case, I think it fills that niche of super-compact Micro ATX void that a lot of the SFF crowd seeks, but for us Canadians, that $249.00 U.S. backing price equates to around $300.00, which is getting up into Caselabs territory. And I've also found that super-compact designs usually mean compromising of water cooling capability that I so treasure. Unfortunately there is a 25 litre Raijintek Styx that fills the WC and attractive, compact category very nicely, even though it's nigh impossible to get outside of Europe, but is all aluminum exterior panels.
For a Matx case I would like to see a Drive bay on the front while still having a good compact size. The price is steep and this case probably won't sell while the Fractal Design Arc Mini exists, which has all the features this case lacks at less than half the price. Even has a pretty window.
I really enjoyed this type of video. Every time I see cases like these I daydream about having a full power editing rig in that form factor. 980 Ti, Intel PCIe SSD. There is no need for Mac Pros on set any more.
really wish there was some space for cable managing behind the motherboard. and ATX PSU on the front as well, that would have just made it perfect for me
Cerberus is the mythical three headed Hell hound that guarded the gates of Hades. Chimera is an amalgamation of three beasts. Usually a lion, bull, and snake. Sorry, your comment about it being named after "some creature" at the beginning set my mythological creature knowledge bells ringing.
Depends on the letter arrangement. the C sounds like a "K" with words like Canuck and Chimera. But they sound with the "S" with words like Cerberus, Celery, or Circle. Yes, I have a mild case of CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order, as they should be.
Having long IO cables would allow you to wire the mobo outside of the case which would make building a bit easier. I agree they should be shorter, but that is the best reason had.
In Greek mythology, Cerberus, often called the "hound of Hades", is a monstrous multi-headed dog, who guards the gates of the underworld, preventing the dead from leaving.
Oh Dimitri, I almost forget you're french and then you say the word "cerberus" and I'm immediately reminded. Makes me wonder why you guys aren't the Hardware Alouettes :P
Saw the kickstarter last week, pretty neat, but a little expensive. It does look on par with caselabs quality wise though. I'm sure Thermaltake will make a $50 copy pretty soon.
^^^ Some cases just don't look as good as others. For me personally I'd rather pay a premium for good looks than dust filters. I can add dust filters. It would be a challenge to make that core v21 look good... js.
Just by looking at 2:50 to 4:55 you can already know it's a major nope right now. Hopefully they'll improve on all those negative aspects pointed out by some comments here.
The case is nearly perfect imo. Cable management is not an issue because if you are going custom, you will cut every cable to size; everyone single one - this will end up being a much cleaner look. Also, dust would not be a problem if you use woman panty hose to stick your fans into. My only issue is the power and I/O cables being viewable from the front panel side openings. I also wish they gave the option to remove I/O just leaving the power button for a much cleaner look. I would still buy the case though.
I believe this case still needs some work. It needs some form of cable management, even if it's very minimal. Then there is all the open space for dust, so dust filters of some kind.
There's no cable holes and space behind the motherboard tray for cable management... so just for that simple reason, id skip that case. I know it would make the case a bit wider but it would totally worth it.
I love the design of the case. I would use it as an ITX or mATX with single large GPU and bottom rad. If they took away 2 expansion slots and made a 280 top rad location it would still leave room for intake fans under the GPU likely. PSU could go front or back. Or shorten case and extend it so that large GPUs can be utilized with from rad. GPUs are getting more powerful and are getting longer and wider to keep them cool, so cases even SFF need to be able to fit them and cool hem.
The issue with kickstarter for cases is you need to make enough in profit to get a 2nd run of cases if you want to continue to sell them making your margins have to be quite high. For this price I would rather have an Ncase M1 and have a lighter smaller case for cheaper.
+HardwareCanucks The whole thing feels a bit like "Paid programming" on TV late at night, you normally would destroy this thing in your "Standardized" reviews. The second camera angle ( The 45 degrees to your left ) is a bit shaky and distracting ( Not that bad but unusual for your content ) and no b-roll , no well-balanced and tasteful bokeh we're used to . I mean It's just weird ! I'm a huge fan and I adore your content but this one felt so out of place. I hope you don't take it the wrong way .
+Anthony Savoie All constructive feedback is well received here :) I love hearing on how we can improve our content. I hear ya about the 2nd angle and no B-roll. That was kind of the new recipe we were trying for time sensitive content, see what works and what doesn't. This was not a paid piece, we never charge for reviews/overviews.
+HardwareCanucks Thank you for taking the time to answer me and taking feedback from your viewers , really appreciated , can't wait for your next videos ! Keep it up you are awesome !
I have to agreed with Anthony, I think the pace of this format is a lot slower. Your reviews are always under 10 minutes usually between 5-8 minutes, in that time-frame you cover basically every aspect of the product. In this video, you spread the same amount of information out to fit in a video that's almost double the length of your average review. What I really like about your channel is that you make slick, short, informative reviews. Who knows, I might just have to get used to this, but for now I generally prefer your review videos.
Hey! I just bought Amazon.ca's no 1 best selling computer case the XON-310. I love it! and for $26 Canadian I think you cant go wrong. You could make an awesome 5 minuet video about this product and pay homage to your ultra budget constrained subscribers. The XON-310 does not even have to hold some fancy rig in it, maybe your Parents computer, media centre ect.
This video would have been much better if there was an actual system inside to help us understand this style of case. I've been watching HWC for a while and I prefer the older style videos too. Seemed like this video was uncut, let's get this video uploaded as quickly as possible, type of deal. As for the case, I can't imagine that there is a market for this for price point. It doesn't even have many of the standard features a $100 case offers. I would look for the NOVA X2M from CASELABS.
I absolutely love the design, pretty similar to Define Nano S but smaller. I'd buy it in a heartbeat but lord almighty the price on these kickstarter cases is insane. I understand they're not mass produced but 300$ when the aforementioned Define Nano S is 70$ or so is crazy.
space efficiency wise, silverstone sg09 and sg10 are champs. The only thing I find very odd in them is airflow pattern. Thats the only thing that kept me from buying one. Some of the small decisions made by silverstone were just mistakes imho, like slim opticald rive bay, weird fan placement that isnt even filtered (if you use it as an intake, thats a problem, if you use it as an exhaust, then its placed in most random spot ever, where it wont beneftit the cooling at all). Anyways, I am gald to see more cases in this form factor, because I personally find it perfect. Gives you enough flexibility and doesnt take unnecessary space. Most pc folk with budget constraints dont utilise most of the pci-e slots anyway.
to remove the side panel, you need to remove the top and front panel. to remove the top panel, you need to remove the handle on top. so thumbscrews are not a bad idea after all.
Good attempt at multicam. My personal advice would be try forgetting what you shoot with and focus on content. I tend to do same mistake myself. I put all the effort into making multicam look good and move the focus away from actual content. I personally love the pre-planned and meticulously shot videos you usually take with a single camera.
-needs cable management
-needs dust filters
-need more modern/convenient/less finicky way of opening up side panels
-needs MUCH MORE polishing in terms of design
-MUCH LOWER PRICE
and then, MAYBE i'll consider it...
+1
I would get one if it was a little bit cheaper, had some dust filters and extra cable management, design will probably improve if they actually release the product and i could care less about how I open the side panels.
+Jason Jia Design is fine for me. I like minimalistic design like the Fractal cases.
+Jason Jia You Rite
***** nono, i totally get you. You actually had to spend time and effort to tie those ribbon IDE cables up lolol. But seeing that it is now the modern computing days, this is a very nice and needed feature since this is supposed to be a premium case with many features...
$250 for a case made of steel?!?!
+Tech By Matt Custom cases are usually pretty expensive. The NCASE M1 is ~$180.
DeilGrist Neither this case or the Ncase M1 are custom. They are made to be mass manufactured. And the M1 is justifiable at that price seeing its made entirely of aluminum.
+DeilGrist at least the m1 looks beautiful
+Tech By Matt Yeah it is not going to survive kickstarter.
250 dollars for a chassi without any dust filters, noise dampening or side window etc that has a small form factor but too heavy for anyone to drag around.
+Tech By Matt when I saw this case I was like " Yes! finally a really small micro atx case, hopefully it wont be too expensive :D"
but then I saw the price ;-;
personnaly I always want to see and hear a review that includes a complete build when looking at a case. That way you can discover hidden problems if there are any and have insight into temps, dust etc. Plus it's just nice to see a finished example.
250$?
What in the actual fuck.
Umm.. Nope.
r&d
+hi9580 looks like that r&d was a waste of time. I can buy a case, PSU, CPU cooler and SSD for $200.
R.I.P.
+Phillip Velednitskiy Are they any good though? I doubt it.
+Lagittaja lol i can buy a budget computer at that cost
+Phillip Velednitskiy Fair point, but stuff isn't always on sale. I guess I'm also thinking in AUD rather than USD.
Dmitri on $70 cases: Rubber Grommets seemed flimsy, not so good for cable management
Dmitri on $250 case: There are no cable management options, you have to route all your cables on the inside, which is "actually kind of a cool way to approach cable management." wtf.
Don't get me wrong, I understand WHY they didn't invest much into a complex cable management system here, they were going for the most compact design possible, and if you're building a computer around a $250 case, you should have the patience to do a half decent job on cable management. However, the fact that you brush it off like it's no big deal when it's something you've heavily dinged other cases for it, well, it doesn't seem right. It felt like you were looking for reasons for this case to be worth $250, not giving your actual opinions about it.
+mygetrichslowplan You have a point, there are certainly issues when it comes to cable management in this form factor. However despite the lack of any spacing behind the rear panel, I decided to look at this task from a positive perspective. Adding width to the frame gets rid of the compact 18L form factor although would make it much easier to route.
Definitely not worth that much money.
+1
+LazarJ no
+Orjon Zaganjori It's a niche product. There's NOTHING like this on the market. If you were to make your own 18mL case, it would cost you a lot more than $250.
A lot of the cost went into engineering the thing, making prototypes, research, and manufacturing (research and development stuff).
A bigger company could sell this case for much cheaper. But this isn't a company. This is just some guy that spent his own money and time making this case.
The NCASE M1 is essentially an ITX version of this case, and many people think it's worth it's price ($200).
I'd love it if it were cheaper, but it's price makes sense considering the cost of R&D, and that there's nothing like this on the market (the s09/s10 is close, but is 25% bigger).
You could buy a Thermaltake case for 1/3 the price, but if you REALLY care about having the smallest no-compromise computer possible, then this product isn't meant for you.
+Paul Sholly THIS. I think the poor guy just is not as good in marketing his PC case. One thing I noticed about the Ncase M1, was that Necere and wahaha really planned well on how to market their case. I pretty much knew about the case from so many tech news outlets like a good year or so before V1 came out on Indiegogo and eventually their own website.
I feel that choosing KickStarter, which has a somewhat bad reputation (South Park episode does not help), really hurt this otherwise awesome niche M-ATX PC case.
I prefer the usual format of videos rather than this one-take hands-on format because the former results in a shorter video and yet we get all the information necessary. Kudos to experimenting though!
As someone in the TVB industry- I get exactly what you're trying to do with this format. I see keep exploring!
12:57 "Cmon" ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER IS THAT YOU
I thought it was just me :D
Why thumbs down. We are gaining knowledge regardless the way the video was made. Buddy as always enjoyed the video thanks again for all the hard work.Some people just don't understand how much time it takes for you to make a video for us to enjoy. Thanks again.
+PowerGPUcom The comments are a feedback mechanism so that Dimitri knows what kind of videos his audience will enjoy. It is mutually beneficial.
+Viraj Hardikar I know I am just here to support an old pal
Like the handle, that would have saved me a lot of time building my own case in a briefcase.
You can see in my videos if you want.
hola vicesat :')
we have a bunch of people in the comments saying 'wtf a $250 case without dust filters?' um wat? we have been letting caselabs get away with this for years
That would be so easy to mod a side panel window into. I really appreciate that kind of modder friendliness.
I love that this is mATX. So many more options. Also love the indicated build quality. I'll take weight for sturdiness any day.
I think it would be cool if a company designed a case that had the honeycomb holes as a window panel that you could see through easily. No more acrylic scratching from light wipe downs and low dust visibility on the panel.
This is not a HardwareCanucks review, this is just akward.
How much of their kickstarter money did you get for this?
+Official Skater You are right, this is not a review.
+Official Sikator 0:28 Press this a million times
+Official Sikator Listen to the video carefully hahahaha dumbass
+Official Sikator He even says in the video its not a review vid are you dumb?
+Wan Noraiman review overview ... that's just a cop out to get money for a heavily biased & advertised video and fooling the viewer base.
Man you make amazing vids. Every style you try ends up great.
mATX is the perfect form factor. This looks cool.
Dmitry, I'd love to see a follow-up review with an actual build!
I sure hope this gets funded! It's exactly what I want!
No build? Hope this is just a trial for you guys. Honestly your setup for case reviews is perfect. You have created a standard in YT. Please don't break it now. On the plus side it is good to see something that it isn't Phanteks, Corsair or NZXT.
i find videos reviewed like this more interesting. can see proportions, how they actually look like. also easier to point out even the smallest features.
Hey dimitri
+Affected Bone Hey hey :)
+HardwareCanucks Hey, whats up, hello
Very interested if another company takes this approach at a lower price point. 240mm rad would also be a plus including full magnetic dust filters which wouldn't be too difficult to add.
Love the case, love the video format and new camera angle system.
No dust filters? lol
i agree, no filters in this day and age is a big no no... also whats so advanced with this case? it doesnt respond to voice commands, it cant record my tv shows, its a ordinary dead case... missleading title imo 😂
+Robert Oortwijn was about to comment the same thing.
+Robert Oortwijn Myea...where are the dust filters?!
+Robert Oortwijn I was about to say the same thing : "World's most advanced mATX Case?" and NO DUST FILTERS? That's stone age. Not buying a single case without them anymore, that's basically only thing I need from the case, everything else is relevant.
The case looks good, but it not having no dust filter might be a issue. That case will be full of dust after some time.
Interesting, as an NCASE owner i see the queues taken. Specially that 92mm fan on teh rear with watercooling routing holes is 100% made for the Frozen Q NCASE reservoir.
Curiously the SFX PSU don't typically support SLI/XFire because they only have a single PCI PWR out. Meaning at best, in stock cabling configurations you only have 2x 8pins (or 6pin or combination of both). So you can run 2 GPU's so long as they only have a single connector.
also, the rear bracket is only on the pre-production model. you will have to choose atx or sfx when the thing ends.
I really like the new backround! Love your videos, and the quality is amazing!
what does this case needs is:
1. Cable Managemeng shroud inside the case,becase you know guys the frustration of a spaggetti on your system.
2. Rubber grommets for psu, case fans and hdd/ssd.
3. magnetic dust filters on front, bottom and top panels.
This case is really intendent for lan parties (although it might be a little challenging due to its weight) or if you just want to save some space on you desktop area.
I want this case now. Optimally I'd put a240mm radiator on the front, ATX power supply with the fan facing the motherboard for cooling, SLI/crossfire, and fans everywhere.
I have never commented on your videos before, but I would like to take the time to say that this "rambling" video was enjoyable and more (occasional, of course) live overviews of products would be welcomed.
I'd happily build something in that! mATX is my favorite form factor :)
Pretty slick! Love the shots, too. well done sir.
FINALLY I found the right case for myself. It has hard to remove side panels what will fix my obsesion to open the whole case whenever I want for no reason :-D
As far as sheer quality, innovation and new ideas, yeah this is definitely something I support. I'm not big on mATX cases but I'd love to see these guys get funded and maybe put out a mid or full tower some day!
Also worth noting that you need to go with a ATX power supply if you want to go flagship SLI anyway, at least with anything from this gen. The 600w SFX PSUs simply aren't enough.
When I went to kickstarter page I thought the case wasn't even available as one of the pledges since I was scrolling past $100 and it still made no mention of being able to get one. Nice.
Oh, I remember when this was just a build log it was sweet.
Also those are automotive clips, take it from someone who has worked with them, they will break before they become loose and stop holding the ball joint.
Been waiting for this case for a long time! 👍
i agree with this psu occupying that top front spot. that bottom front part usually is occupied with cables anyways.
I need this in a full-tower, with cable management and dust filters. combine the new features of this case with the excellent design of the 750D and that would be amazing.
Loudspeakers have successfully had front panels that pop on & off for decades.
Here, they've reinvented that mechanism, AND bolloxed it up at the same time.
I will buy one the minute they are available. (Maybe within the hour depending on what I am doing in that moment)
What is the basis for your question Spartan? I like small cases and this case looks like a great platform for me to mod. Thanks for your tiny minded comment.
Point me in that direction mate? I am also a supporter of up and comer companies.
I have tried many of fractal's cases. Please stop wasting my time
After you called me retarded......
Re. the issue of not allowing 240mm rads on the side hinge-bracket: It's because there is no PSU configuration that doesn't conflict with it. Obviously if you go with PSU in the alternate rear position, both SFX and ATX sizes preclude the AIO rad either way. But the fact that in the front position, even the smaller SFX (or SFX-L) are oriented flat toward the front, with the width of the PSU taking up the width of the whole case cross-wise -- this is what precludes the 240mm radiators in that configuration also.
And the overall length (i.e. "depth") of the case is not enough to allow the PSU mount to be rotated 90-degrees, for the thinner PSU dimension to allow a radiator next to it. Because the PSU would run over the front RAM-slots on the motherboard that way, unless the whole case was about 3 inches longer.
This might be a decent enterprise on-the-go case. The production unit better be that durable and have a handle for that price though. The video isn't the usual HWC quality. This is closer to an impromptu vlog. I hope you do a typical HWC Case vid when it comes to market to see what they changed.
they should give you a little pry tool or something to help get those panels off if its that difficult to get them off
I really hope this case succeeds. I want to buy one.
I didn't mind this overview, as it was Dmitry channeling first his inner Tiny Tom Logan and, ever so briefly, Ahnold. As for the case, I think it fills that niche of super-compact Micro ATX void that a lot of the SFF crowd seeks, but for us Canadians, that $249.00 U.S. backing price equates to around $300.00, which is getting up into Caselabs territory. And I've also found that super-compact designs usually mean compromising of water cooling capability that I so treasure. Unfortunately there is a 25 litre Raijintek Styx that fills the WC and attractive, compact category very nicely, even though it's nigh impossible to get outside of Europe, but is all aluminum exterior panels.
For a Matx case I would like to see a Drive bay on the front while still having a good compact size. The price is steep and this case probably won't sell while the Fractal Design Arc Mini exists, which has all the features this case lacks at less than half the price. Even has a pretty window.
this case is up my alley, do a build in it please!
I really enjoyed this type of video. Every time I see cases like these I daydream about having a full power editing rig in that form factor. 980 Ti, Intel PCIe SSD. There is no need for Mac Pros on set any more.
Can't wait for the build in that case...
really wish there was some space for cable managing behind the motherboard. and ATX PSU on the front as well, that would have just made it perfect for me
Cerberus is the mythical three headed Hell hound that guarded the gates of Hades.
Chimera is an amalgamation of three beasts. Usually a lion, bull, and snake.
Sorry, your comment about it being named after "some creature" at the beginning set my mythological creature knowledge bells ringing.
+Keihryon Haha thanks for the clarification :D
+HardwareCanucks also the c sounds like a k, also like the person above said sorry but the way you said cerberus just didn't sit well with me...
Depends on the letter arrangement. the C sounds like a "K" with words like Canuck and Chimera. But they sound with the "S" with words like Cerberus, Celery, or Circle.
Yes, I have a mild case of CDO.
It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order, as they should be.
You can press down on the clips too loosen it, where the ball of the clip goes into.
Having long IO cables would allow you to wire the mobo outside of the case which would make building a bit easier. I agree they should be shorter, but that is the best reason had.
In Greek mythology, Cerberus, often called the "hound of Hades", is a monstrous multi-headed dog, who guards the gates of the underworld, preventing the dead from leaving.
love the style of the video!
It's a pretty cool enclosure. Lots of potential. Would like to see it in other form factors as well.
Oh Dimitri, I almost forget you're french and then you say the word "cerberus" and I'm immediately reminded. Makes me wonder why you guys aren't the Hardware Alouettes :P
Can't wait for this to be released later this year.
Saw the kickstarter last week, pretty neat, but a little expensive. It does look on par with caselabs quality wise though. I'm sure Thermaltake will make a $50 copy pretty soon.
Cerberus as my home rig and M1 as my lan rig would do nice best part is i can sand down and plexi dip them the same color
I like this different style of video!
I like small cases, but I really don't like cases without air filter.
Michael Adhi Nugroho looks at $60 thermaltake core v21.
"Ya done good"
^^^ Some cases just don't look as good as others. For me personally I'd rather pay a premium for good looks than dust filters. I can add dust filters. It would be a challenge to make that core v21 look good... js.
All those holes will REALLY help with noise dampening.
Dimitri I was wandering if you were from Bulgaria, since the radiator in your apartment, does look a lot like mine, but your martenitsa confirms it!
Just by looking at 2:50 to 4:55 you can already know it's a major nope right now.
Hopefully they'll improve on all those negative aspects pointed out by some comments here.
The case is nearly perfect imo. Cable management is not an issue because if you are going custom, you will cut every cable to size; everyone single one - this will end up being a much cleaner look. Also, dust would not be a problem if you use woman panty hose to stick your fans into.
My only issue is the power and I/O cables being viewable from the front panel side openings. I also wish they gave the option to remove I/O just leaving the power button for a much cleaner look. I would still buy the case though.
I believe this case still needs some work. It needs some form of cable management, even if it's very minimal. Then there is all the open space for dust, so dust filters of some kind.
There's no cable holes and space behind the motherboard tray for cable management... so just for that simple reason, id skip that case. I know it would make the case a bit wider but it would totally worth it.
I think this case desperately needs dust filters especially if you want to mount fans on the side hinged bracket.
Nice martenitza by the way Dmitry
I love the design of the case.
I would use it as an ITX or mATX with single large GPU and bottom rad.
If they took away 2 expansion slots and made a 280 top rad location it would still leave room for intake fans under the GPU likely. PSU could go front or back.
Or shorten case and extend it so that large GPUs can be utilized with from rad. GPUs are getting more powerful and are getting longer and wider to keep them cool, so cases even SFF need to be able to fit them and cool hem.
The issue with kickstarter for cases is you need to make enough in profit to get a 2nd run of cases if you want to continue to sell them making your margins have to be quite high. For this price I would rather have an Ncase M1 and have a lighter smaller case for cheaper.
Too difficult to take out means no rattles or vibrations +1. I would like you see you build this case!
I know you like to try stuff , but man I don't like this format at all !
+Anthony Savoie Would love to hear why. Any useful feedback counts :D Is it the camera work/dialogue/duration/content?
+HardwareCanucks The whole thing feels a bit like "Paid programming" on TV late at night, you normally would destroy this thing in your "Standardized" reviews. The second camera angle ( The 45 degrees to your left ) is a bit shaky and distracting ( Not that bad but unusual for your content ) and no b-roll , no well-balanced and tasteful bokeh we're used to . I mean It's just weird ! I'm a huge fan and I adore your content but this one felt so out of place. I hope you don't take it the wrong way .
+Anthony Savoie All constructive feedback is well received here :) I love hearing on how we can improve our content. I hear ya about the 2nd angle and no B-roll. That was kind of the new recipe we were trying for time sensitive content, see what works and what doesn't. This was not a paid piece, we never charge for reviews/overviews.
+HardwareCanucks Thank you for taking the time to answer me and taking feedback from your viewers , really appreciated , can't wait for your next videos ! Keep it up you are awesome !
I have to agreed with Anthony, I think the pace of this format is a lot slower.
Your reviews are always under 10 minutes usually between 5-8 minutes, in that time-frame you cover basically every aspect of the product.
In this video, you spread the same amount of information out to fit in a video that's almost double the length of your average review.
What I really like about your channel is that you make slick, short, informative reviews.
Who knows, I might just have to get used to this, but for now I generally prefer your review videos.
I am in the market for the "smallest sli case," and this case actually comes close to what I had imagined.
Hello Dimitri.
Can you build one example inside Cerberus?
I am in Portugal and would be great to have one of those mATX case.
Thanks
the crowd-sourcing campaign failed and the case never went into production.
Hey! I just bought Amazon.ca's no 1 best selling computer case the XON-310. I love it! and for $26 Canadian I think you cant go wrong. You could make an awesome 5 minuet video about this product and pay homage to your ultra budget constrained subscribers. The XON-310 does not even have to hold some fancy rig in it, maybe your Parents computer, media centre ect.
+Austin Flavio Opps I meant XION not XON
Top and front camera is cool, the side one just kinda threw everything out of whack
"sir-burr-us" and "kai-mere-a" now I feel better
FYI: Cerberus is, in Greek mythology, the multi-headed guard dog of Hades (Hell)
12:57 when you can't suppress your inner Arnold Schwarzenegger anymore :D
Nice case but the price. Too bad a cannot use a Noctua u12s fan for the cpu
it's got some nice features. Love that it's all steel. But that is VERY expensive for what it is.
Hey Dimitri
I was wondering if you are going to be reviewing and possibly do a build into the new A4-SFX case by Dan-Cases.
the flex in the table at 4:19 i thought it was gonna shatter
Can you do an overview of your favourite mATX cases somewhere in the future?
This video would have been much better if there was an actual system inside to help us understand this style of case. I've been watching HWC for a while and I prefer the older style videos too. Seemed like this video was uncut, let's get this video uploaded as quickly as possible, type of deal. As for the case, I can't imagine that there is a market for this for price point. It doesn't even have many of the standard features a $100 case offers. I would look for the NOVA X2M from CASELABS.
Video Presentation is damn good !
I absolutely love the design, pretty similar to Define Nano S but smaller. I'd buy it in a heartbeat but lord almighty the price on these kickstarter cases is insane. I understand they're not mass produced but 300$ when the aforementioned Define Nano S is 70$ or so is crazy.
space efficiency wise, silverstone sg09 and sg10 are champs. The only thing I find very odd in them is airflow pattern. Thats the only thing that kept me from buying one. Some of the small decisions made by silverstone were just mistakes imho, like slim opticald rive bay, weird fan placement that isnt even filtered (if you use it as an intake, thats a problem, if you use it as an exhaust, then its placed in most random spot ever, where it wont beneftit the cooling at all). Anyways, I am gald to see more cases in this form factor, because I personally find it perfect. Gives you enough flexibility and doesnt take unnecessary space. Most pc folk with budget constraints dont utilise most of the pci-e slots anyway.
i am liking this kind of a case type
to remove the side panel, you need to remove the top and front panel. to remove the top panel, you need to remove the handle on top. so thumbscrews are not a bad idea after all.
Cerberus was the 3 headed dog that guards the gates to the underworld XD
I kinda like the look of it. I hope it gets funded. Then they could fix how difficult it is to open.
Good attempt at multicam. My personal advice would be try forgetting what you shoot with and focus on content. I tend to do same mistake myself. I put all the effort into making multicam look good and move the focus away from actual content.
I personally love the pre-planned and meticulously shot videos you usually take with a single camera.
great video man,i like that case,maybe my next build,thank
a good quality case, It looks awesome!