Kobold Press Announces New Game System - Project Black Flag in Response to WoTC OGL 1.1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2024
- In light of the OGL news Kobold Press has announced a new game system code name: Project Black Flag. We don't know much about the system yet other then it will be "available, open, and subscription-free for those who love it".
Project Black Flag: koboldpress.co...
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We raise our black flag as well!
Who could have foreseen this coming? Let's see, WotC comes up with GSL for 4th edition and manage to spawn a competitor over a decade ago. WotC comes up with the (NOT) OGL 1.1 for 6th edition while simultaneously trying to kill off access to the previous OGL and will manage to spawn several competitors. Obviously, the bean counters at Hasbro didn't take into consideration that many of these "larger" companies have had a decade plus now in game design and game publishing and would rather keep their creations to themselves rather than sign off to a heartless mega-corp.
History has a "delightful" way to repeat itself
And don't forget that Wolfgang Baur, owner of Kobold Press worked for TSR and WOTC and has decades of experience under his belt. He also contracts and employees so many of the best names in the industry. The 3rd party industry is flooded with talented people. WOTC started a fire they can't control.
Real simple: *Corp heads, lawyers, everyone in on the 'One DnD and OGL 1.1' plans are arrogant, greedy, deluded, high on power. They look at fans not as customers, but as ATM machines.*
-- It is fine to want to expand, to have game evolution and improvements.
But saying or hinting that people who make add ons are "stealing money from us" is factually wrong and a horrible business and horrible game decision.
Just everyday players must ask: what exactly is it "we get" for WotC doing this?
For content creators, this is even worse, and they have no reason to work with WotC.
History if full of people who thought "I have all the power. No one else can oppose, no one dares go off on their own!"
Hasbro and WotC look at DnD as a monopoly on fun and the entire idea, thinking of customers:
"You have too much invested in us to change. You have no other choice. You will do as we say."
For me the big difference is how lasting the impact will be. I skipped 4 but came back for late 5e. If they kill 1.0a I'm not coming back in an edition. I'm done for good.
My prediction, next up: Pathfinder 3E will be in the works very soon, which will be free of any WotC OGL 1.1 content too.
Pazio is infested with the same diseases as wotc you will see the same censorship and oppression. Only a fool would support pazio at this point.
Why? They can just throw out the OGL althogether. A few minor rewrites and PF2 is fine without it.
@@ratatatuff yeah mate, that’s the point. Lol. and that edited project will be called third edition to seperate itself from the ogl completely.
@@ratatatuff Yeah, I'm expecting Pathfinder 2e to get errattaed to remove the OGL. However, Paizo will announce Starfinder 2e.
Troll Lords is basically done with its "D&D" game without WotC I.P. being used. Designed by Gary Gygax. Can't beat that. Castles & Crusades.
One OGL to rule them all
One OGL to find them
One OGL to grab it all
And in the darkness bind them
Awesome. I am glad to see one of the large publishers step up!
Troll Lords is basically done with its "D&D" game without WotC I.P. being used. Designed by Gary Gygax. Can't beat that. Castles & Crusades.
The website did crash for a bit; couldn't open it initially. Which is an amazing sign.
We’re here for you, Kobold Press!
Well I expected, Kobold press to have their own game system and that if anybody was going to do something like this it would probably be Kobalt press because they are probably the most well known third party company and so if there's ever going to be a neo Pathfinder they would make sense to be the next competitor to WOTC
It was them or Paizo.
@@VaSoapman Paizo already has PF2 that's pretty comfortable to decouple from the OGL.
Doesn't make sense for them to throw resources into a new game so soon into the development cycle of 2E when they can make 2E way, way, way harder for WotC to come after them for.
Not sure what the plan is with Starfinder...
Troll Lords is basically done with its "D&D" game without WotC I.P. being used. Designed by Gary Gygax. Can't beat that. Castles & Crusades.
@@priestesslucy well besides that Pathfinder already has headed down a certain track where at least I would hope and would make sense for a Kobalt press' game system to be more similar to 5e which is good for people like myself that have never played Pathfinder. Because for us it hopefully won't be quite as big a jump as Pathfinder would be.
RISE UP PUBLISHERS!!!! RISE UP!!!
This is what we need
True independence
I am all in on the Kolbold Press system
Always loved Kobold Press. I am done with WOTC. No more money is going to WOTC.
This is good news.
I knew someone would do it. I'm happy someone took the initiative.
Hellz yeah! I love Kobold Press & respect their work very much. I'd be VERY happy if they became the next Pathfinder. Their work is quality & I love their attitude. I'm so down to play their system! I'm excited! Imagine if all the big 3rd party companies allied together, agreed on 1 standard base open rule system & ground WOTC/Hasbro into the dust....ohh, that would be delicious. That would be the ultimate move to boost all their future sales, if they could find common ground to do this. Imagine critical role switching to the new system adding to the hype...Now is The Time!!... ah man....i'm pipe dreaming but that would turn D&D's misstep into the best thing that ever happenned to the TTRPG community...United under 1 banner! if only...now who will unite the kingdoms!!! 😄
KoboldPress giving us a flag if Critical Role jumped in we would get an army overnight.
With so many different content creators out there spreading the word without even asking for something directly they have united the peoples from all corners of the hobby
Troll Lords is basically done with its "D&D" game without WotC I.P. being used. Designed by Gary Gygax. Can't beat that. Castles & Crusades.
Glad to hear this!! I will be supporting this asap!
One good thing to come from this is the exposure smaller guys like yourself are getting. I have subbed to more channels in the last week than I have since I came out of the shadows as a lurker. Got yourself another sub here mate. Quite liked your vid, you remind me of my brother in law who is a close friend.
Exactly. Same here.
Commander Kobold, the time has come.
Execute order 66...
Kobold press, you have my dice. 🙂
I look forward to this new system. I like Koboldpress's stuff.
#RaiseTheFlag
Will Black Flag be compatible with standard OSR mechanics? If so, use it with Cha'alt!
I'll definitely play Kobold 's game,.
but I'm also finishing Visions.
I have just checked the Licence of Might and Magic (tm) and Might and Magic 6 Mandate of Heaven.. DOES NOT USE ANY HASBRO OPEN GAME LICENCE!!.. it was owned by 3DO but the Might and Magic franchise was bought by Ubisoft for 1.3 million .. Paizo could easily buy Might and Magic (tm) for 10+ Million and be a true rival to WOTC.
Implying that Paizo has a spare 10+ million lying around.
@@priestesslucy I don't know Paizo's personal financial situation, but it's an idea that will make Paizo far more resilient from Hasbro threats in the future, The Might and Magic IP is screaming out for a TTRPG adaption, and Paizo would be the perfect company to do it (With their publishing background) like I said .. I don't know even if Ubisoft would even sell.. and for how much, but now could be the perfect time for PAIZO to be bold as they have the momentum, and a crowd source for the money could be done with Paizo's popularity and Hasbro's hate.. (Currently Paizo is being chained to the Hasbro beast)
It's an idea.. and a good one.. and it would be less costly then taking on Hasbro in the courts.
Great news. Now you have a game system that has no ties with WotC. Everyone jumps ship. Sees the conditions are good for the community. No knee-jerk business rules. Then, beat WotC financially. Good for Kobold. Proactive approach. Love it. See if WotC begs for mercy when their financials tank
It's kinda funny too. My gateway into TTRPGs was the actual-play podcast Rusty Quill Gaming Podcast...
Who ran Pathfinder 1e. They started doing stuff with 5th ed. somewhere along the way, side stories and one-shots.
You see, you thought WoTC was your ally, yet now you've merely adopted alternatives like Pathfinder, I was born in them, Moulded by them. I didn't see 5th edition Until I was already a Dungeon Master, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!
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Flags be raised, Koboldpress really be Swobolds going "Fine, I'll do it myself"
Multiple companies need to create an open source system and try to get the community on one system. I hope Kobold Press avoids and tries to not overly monetize the way (wotc) is pushing with OGL, sin over sin type deal. Hopefully their Open Source Push is actually Open. If everyone notices all of these 3rd parties banding together like a boetia league type deal, a collective of companies to stand up to Hasbo/Wotc. That is only way they back down.
My gut instinct is that Kobold Press is run by good people who genuinely want to do this right.
Of course anyone considering signing into the Black Flag ecosystem will be picking over it with a fine-toothed comb and probably multiple lawyers.
Troll Lords is basically done with its "D&D" game without WotC I.P. being used. Designed by Gary Gygax. Can't beat that. Castles & Crusades.
I would love to have a non-OGL game with a 5e feel. Pathfinder is a little too complicated for me, and the OSR-games are a little too simple. Hopefully Kobold press can hit a sweet spot in the middle without getting sued.
Cypher System.. easy to learn, change, and not in the way of play. 😉
(It’s also open licensed.)
I was reading the Cyper book this morning actually. I like what I see.
@@GMToolbox Awesome brother… it’s amazing how smooth it is.
Easy to tweak as well.
Rhyme of history woo! 🏴☠️
history repeats itself again, the same happen for DnD 4e with the GSL, paizo created pathfinder 1e , and now Kobold Press will do the same , im excited
They're gonna need Henry Rollins to GM that system. Can't wait.
As long as this is a new system and not just another d20 system with different wording, I'm all for it. I'll buy it when it comes out.
Raise the flag me mate 🏴< also signed up for play test >
Now you just need Henry Roland to promote this
Hit Point Press has their own system, what they are calling Shift. They have a quickstart/beta up on their site. I haven't checked it out, it is 5.99 to get it, and I'm more interested in a finished product or credit towards a finished product. Might be fun, who knows. I've actually started reading through Adventurer, Conqueror, King System again and it just looks like a lot of fun... micromanage-y if you pay attention to all of it (do many people worry about encumbrance?)
3 or 4 bags of holding should patch that right up.
Hit Point Press does have the option of getting the quickstart in pdf for free. Didn't want my CC for it. Quickly looking at it now and does look interesting!
@@ShennonLoker ah that's what it was! I only saw the physical book!
I will gladly play a system similar to 5e that has no ties to WotC. I will not play Pathfinder because of certain design elements that prevented me from getting into DnD during the 3.5e era and earlier. I find the idea of a mage that has limited amounts of magic they can do, and/or has to prepare every spell they're gonna use that day separately, to be a complete turn-off. I need either a mana system with recharging mana (or a way to steal mana from enemies), or a system like in 5e where some smaller spells can be used all day without using a resource and the big ones use a flexible resource.
If Project Black Flag gives me what I need, I will play it.
Remember many years ago when Microsoft tried to release an XBOX that had a TON of built in DRM in it.
Then all Sony had to do was say, "Yeah we're not doing that."
This is basically just that, but with TTRPGs.
The ps5 is literally what xbox proposed. Sony just waited 7 years
How many people are moving over to Savage Worlds?
Respect!
I’m going greatly enjoy watching hasbros monopoly burn 😂. Wtf did they think would happen?
They probably thought all the third party guys would line up to sell all the IP to them or retire out of fear of getting draged to court to fight a bogus lawsuit.... (Wizards probably figured they could win a battle of attrition where they bankrupt the competition that refuses to sell with endless lawsuits.... (They probably didn't figure they had to win the lawsuit, just hold out long enough for their targets to go broke from paying defense lawyers...)
In a perfect world resource attrition would not ever be a viable way to "win" a court case...
Joe, will you be removing all your wotc products from your recording studio?
I think it’s good to explore new systems, but let’s be real here, the OGL was such a powerful tool and should remain in place indefinitely, as was intended by those who originally created it.
GM* Toolbox, I’d like to know, if the community were to band together and start a coalition devoted to preserving the OGL, would we have your support? Despite your decision to use a new system, would you be willing to help in the founding of a group that protects both the OGL and 3rd party developers, new and old, not just now, but perpetually? I think it’s time to get a few people together to talk about this. D&D has a huge fandom, all are very devoted, and I think there’s more than enough interest in saving 3rd party OGL content that we could raise money and have a legal team ready to sue the pants off WotC at the first sign of abuse.
It is my opinion that switching is a big move and I applaud it, but I would like to simultaneously protect those who don’t want to switch, protect those who still want to make D&D compatible content, and keep such a powerful tool alive and well as intended. I think saving the OGL (which would ultimately hit Hasbro right in their wallet), is just the right thing to do, and I also think it’s time to remind WotC who exactly is biting the hand that feeds who. They owe their current success to the OGL.
Interested to see how this turns out
Their new system cannot be compatible with D&D stuff moving forward if it did it would need the new OGL in the new materials from Kobold Press.
That is a bit more of a grey area than you may think. Game mechanics can not be copyrighted. However the various means by which they expressed may be. But to the extent we are talking about has never been tested. The idea of the OGL was to just take away that grey area. For example KP couldn't copy the spell magic missile and its description word for word. But they could make "force missile" and change the description a bit. But things like "damage" and "range" are too abstract a concept to copyright. I'm not saying this is cut and dry but it is possible.
I use the term DM to mean Drama Moderation...
Hoist the colors!
I tried to get on kobold press. I think site is crashed
The Kobold website is down! 😱
Whou could have foreseen that Hasbro & WotC were so eager to give away their business to other companies ?
Nice.
While I respect what Kobold Press is doing, and I think it's a positive move, they aren't exactly philanthropists or anything. I'm sure they stand to lose a ton of money with the new OGL rules, as well as their creative freedom, maybe even IP.
Actually, I really don't want Kobold Press or any other company to support 5E at this point. I've been running games since 1E and Hasbro's latest legal operation has convinced me to never support anything they produce. I'm out. Bzzzzt!
*_Ahoy_*
I am cool with Kobold Press doing this. This is awesome. My complaint is why the fuck is Kobold press the only one going indie. All you 3rd party content producers out there and they are the only ones making a new system?
Honestly for all of you whinging and bitching people complaining about the new OGL shame on you for not risking your time, money and reputation and making your own TTRPG.
DM Dave and Arcane Library also have new systems coming out, and I'm sure there will be others.
I think part of the issue is that creating a whole new system is something that takes quite a bit of development time before you're in a position to publish anything... if paying staff (so that they can eat and keep a roof over their heads) needs to be a priority, then commiting to a new game system at little or no notice may be a step they cannot afford to make... Beyond that, this has blown up in the space of a couple of weeks, there's still time for other publishers to commit to systems of their own
@@MercenaryPen I get that. I worked in the book business for over twelve years. I got to wittiness the lead time to publishing a variety of books. That time is just a part of the business of building a brand, and bringing to market product. Its called development. And, anyone that bitches about how long it takes is really not willing to but their skin in the game to make money doing it.
Still, I am freaking annoyed that a lot of the DND community is losing their collective shit because the people that legally own the thing are asking others who have been freeloading to start paying to use or not use their thing anymore. And I won't get into any arguments about stifling creativity or people losing jobs. In my opinion those are important issues to cover but immaterial in the long run.
Lets by honest if these 3rd party developers were to make content for the Red Wall TTRPG Would they be making the same sales and be as emotionally invested in it. The only reason that there is as much panic and anger is that the people that have been riding the popularity of all that development time that others put into the product that is the DND IP are now realizing that they will have to pay money and potentially lose the ownership of their product.
An argument that I find hilarious because they are essentially doing exactly that. Taking the idea of someone else and using it... to make money.
My point is simple the whinging and whining fuscktards that are bitching about how WOTC is "stealing" their content should go and build their own brand. Actually prove that they have the creativity, business acumen, and know how to successfully make their own TTRPG or piss off.
@@michelerenae9998 We can only hope. I would like to see the DND community stop acting like WOTC just punched their baby and stole his candy.
{almost} none of them are signing the new OGL. Just because they don't have the resources to develop a new RPG doesn't mean they are just rolling over.
In the end many of them may wind up supporting Kobold Press or another standout company.
Mmmm no we don't want a centralized rule system. Be the OSR or like it form a culture of agreed on base rules that are open too all. Otherwise you will just end up being another wotc in the future
Black Flag forever