sad apart is they don't even define reality from fiction most of the time making 100% of this interaction worse every single time. learn everything on the net without any moral value and all internet norms which doesn't apply to everyone in terms of culture law and mostly people . and these people take anything they don't know or agree hostile interactions too because they don't know how the world works.
It's sadly very common but I'm glad Sora uses their platform to make a little crash course for everyone new or who didn't know about it. Wholesole Sora content is the best content
Thank you for making this video Sora. It’s so nice to see Rin talking about this situation with you. Love her streams and wish you both the best always.
The Vtuber industry is so huge now, it's a bit hard to say how all-encompassing Rin's experiences may be for the entire industry. By 2023, there are ~50k active Vtubers, ranging all the way from small indies who average below 100 concurrent viewers to major agency talents with record breaking views, and how things work (especially among indies) would be quite different in the West too. That said, in the JP indies/smaller agencies space there definitely seems to be a fair bit of similarities with underground idol/smaller idol agencies.
I really dont know if it is a lie or not I see no mention of it being one despite the controversies A black company is a sweatshop like workplace where people have low, unsustainable pay, get verbally abused by their bosses, unhealthy workload, and all that nasty stuff Read the article more to get a full understanding
@@barbs8851 Unfortunately. Still plenty of accurate info on there of course, but it's never been more full of 💩now more than ever, and it's only getting worse.
Was never in to watching vTubers, aside from the occasional clip, after watching a couple of them recently I can see the appeal. Some are genuinely funny and there's the odd day I could do with a good laugh to relax and de-stress after work. I was curious about cover songs and m/v's, thanks Rin for the info. My Japanese is terrible but I dropped a sub on her channel to help reach her goal.
I honestly REALLY hate how common death threats are. Whether people have trouble separating fact from fiction, fantasy from reality, and just para-social BS.
People who have not been exposed to the reality of death don't see it as a serious issue. That's at least what I think of US and other western countries. As we continue to change and evolve over time, things change. Societal and cultural norms, production processes, exposure to death and dying in the home (if you have grandparents or even parents living with you or you with them), and of course food preparation. The idea of death is hidden behind polite euphemisms. But that's already too long of a comment.
It's such an easy thing to say, the ultimate vent for frustrations. But now the recipient legitimately has to consider, that what if there's an actual chance the threat was serious, and the recipient no longer feels safe at home, the one place every person should have to feel safe at? These edgy kids never get that.
It is not common at all. There are thousands over thousands of people interacting and you only get very few actual threats (No, a "kys" does not count as a threat!). The only reason it seems so common to many people now is, that they are exposed to way more interactions than people were before the internet.
@@felisconcolori considered how people here in the US murder people over the little things I'm not shocked. I remember a while back some shot & killed another person over an argument about how big someone's dog is
@@bencze465 Asian "idol" culture is western "celebrity" culture but way more extreme. Idols are frequently banned from dating and if caught with a boyfriend/girlfriend they get severely punished. "cancel culture" is mild compared to what happens to Idols.
@@bencze465It is basically a worshipping culture, but instead of worshipping a higher power or entity, they worship a version of “ideal celebrity or figure” in their minds that they project onto their favorite internet personalities. So yeah, it sounds as bad as it is.
as a Japanese and English speaker as well as someone who pays attention to Vtubers every now and then , I’m surprised that Rin didn’t mention / hasn’t experienced Vtuber Dramas since they basically they’ve happened almost daily in the Vtuber community of lots of regions even as an independent Vtuber , it’s kinda hard to avoid some of the dramas as well hopefully Rin hasn’t experiencing any types of Vtubers dramas 🙏🏻 🙏🏻🙏🏻
@honsuaman8743 not really, drama farmers in EN vtuber community will use everything and make it big. i remember the one small vtuber who is adult and has child but she's using loli model. she got harassed and drama farmers "reported" it. it just drama farmers use big corpa vtubers on title and thumbnail to draw attention
@honsuaman8743 from what i heard (i actually did watch her graduate stream), twitter as usual harassed her for roleplaying as loli (like they said "it's literal child" thing) while she's an adult and has child. she was small vtuber like under 1k subs too. my point is, it's not true EN drama farmers won't cover small vtuber, they will, especially in dry season
i never thought Sora would upload a nearly 16 minute video espically about vtubers! usually Sora makes a 3-6 minute sketch videos! there is one more vtuber Sora hasnt given attention for the last 3 years, and that is Nene Amano from Production Kawaii, Sora has never raided Nene Amano since he thought the idea of raiding small vtubers 3 years ago!
There is this weird thing where I won't watch Rin or Sora for a while, but if they collab, I'll start watching both of them again. I don't understand it. It's like when I watch Pewdiepie and Cinnamontoastken collab, even though I haven't been watching their individual content that much.
This gave me an insight on how vtubing works. I only knew 2 (ironmouse and nuxtaku). Btw, i like this kind of videos. You might want to interview more people in the future (like translators and VAs and their insight on AI, English teachers, etc).
yoo, i remember that death threat thing. i'm really happy that the person apologized, and that Rin was able to move on from it. i still feel like he should face legal punishment for it, but if he was really young, maybe the negative reactions were already enough of a punishment.
1:05 that’s the risk of being in the spotlight of social media all the time. You see it in movies, shows, etc. And the worst part is that these kinds of things actually happen.
Vtuber agencies are pretty much based on the model of japanese idol agencies and since japanese idols can get ripped off horrifically of course that follows to the vtuber world. Thats why im vary about watching agency vtubers outside hololive and even with hololive i live in assumption that hololive is at least somewhat fair to their talent.
I feel like that's not a really good comparision since agencies varies greatly from one another. He mention 100% merch taken but in Hololive from what we know is about 50% and negotiable depending on how involved the talents themself are in the merch. As for pure earnings, Indie likely would earn more at 1/10 of the subscribers compared to agency Vtubers but if you join an agency, it's for more than just the income, you are getting the support of the agency itself and the connections they have. And a part of the money the agency takes would go back to investing in you through 3D lives, concerts, models, protecting you from trolls, etc... And if you have extra income, you can spend them through the agency for content (e.g Hololive's Marine with her highly animated MVs, and she does that a lot which means her earnings is really high) Most indies would struggle to achieve the level of content an agency can help you do unless you are really popular like Ui-mama.
Really good video. Though it's almost a flashback-like experience hearing about this, as if I'm back in the mid-2000s, hearing about the situation with regular idols. Some things sadly don't really change.
I think V-Tubers are fun to watch regardless of if you like Anime or not. What makes them fun to watch is the fact that they can behave so liberally due of the ambiguity of their identities being hidden. They can act very extreme and over the top without being worried about embarrassing themselves publicly. Kind of like how people would behave around their friends. I feel like Sora The Troll is much like a V-Tuber in the way he behaves. The main difference is that he's not embarrassed to be seen or confronted in public.
On other hand, with some of the vtubers whove ive seen doing some irl stuff ive wondered how much the masks actually help to hide their identity. Obiviously you still dont know their irl names or such but one would think that they could still recognize them, right? Or maybe not. Maybe theyd just blend to the crowd like anyone else.
@@hhdhpublic OPSEC is what they are doing. They are wearing mask so people won't recognize them but if their closest friend or people they met, they would surely recognize you by their eyes and hair. For viewers, not at all. I remember reading a youtube title that i didn't watch and some vtuber got their face leaked. I believe it was shylily: th-cam.com/video/IKRYH-FIe0A/w-d-xo.html There would be trash people leaking your face then posting it for clout not knowing now how many people would see your face on social media.
Thank you for the video, it was very good. I had some concept of what happening inside the vtuber industry, but this was a good reality check for it and mostly matched with my vision.
"Are Vtubers two faced?" To me not really.. To me putting on my Vtuber face only boosts my chaotic nature even more when in person I am alot more introverted or suppressed
I plan to continue my membership to her channel this month, because after long hiatus from watching her channel she still remembered and mentioned what I always requested on her singing stream back then.
This is the first time for me to see the Vtuber situation upclose in an actual interview. I'm not into Vtubers myself and I knew very little about them, no more than just "scratching the surface" and the "annoying high pitched cringe voices" random people (mostly haters) rants about wasn't enough to have a good view of a clear picture. I couldn't imagine the Vtubers having it rough (at least in the Japanese industry), because as Sora have mentioned, from outside they seem to be somewhat wealthy. It's not really new to find out that "appearances can be deceiving", but still is can be hugely surprising when you get to look deeper into a subject such as this one. I genuinely feel like I'm ending the day having my perspective getting a little more bigger. I just subscribed today after seeing some "dumbest rules in Japanese shop" and some others that are super funny, and I'm glad of this today's finding 😊
apart from the few things that are unique to being anonymous EVERY person online has to deal with this stuff lmao, its nothing special if anything they get it less as when it happens its a big deal like that one saying "i got a death threat" most youtubers get them daily and same with stalking
@@hoaha6343 Yeah, it's not like McDonalds needs to share any merch revenue with the people playing Ronald McDonald. At the end of the day, they made and own all rights to the model. They could fire the person behind it and put another person in as the new "actor" for the model. With that said, it is scummy as hell.
One thing that I always heard from independent Vtuber is that their circle of friends is really small, so they often say something along the lines of "IDK what I would do if I ever quit Vtubing, without connection, I might just come back to my parent house" especially they who start at young age, even big Vtuber, and those in agency wonder about this, they feel like they lose the change of "being normal" and get in a relationship with someone, so if there's another one, I really wanted you to collab with a bunch of indies to do talks like this, between their Vtubing career and their private life, how did they balance it? it's such a sensitive question, so I understand if it's not included anyway~
Rin is definitely an interesting Vtuber, gonna sub to her but realized she couldn't do Rasengan so stopped myself from doing so xD Jokes aside, wish all the best for her. It's really sucks to see Vtubers, Utaite who do cover songs couldn't get monetized. Imagine how many Utaite, Vtubers that has great talents but couldn't get enough popularity. We might have a lot of talented singers like Ado who started from singing on online platforms if they can get money from doing cover songs
dude japan has such a big problem with parasocial relationships its crazy, idols and vtubers get stalked and harassed, hell even wather bradcasters if they are cute, I still remember one that after taking a 1 week break to go to england their fans investigated like crazy fucks and discovered that she was there watching his "secret" boyfriend playing a badminton match and later resigned because of the backlash, its so crazy
Oh yeah, I agree big time. On a side note, if I had read your comment 1 week ago, I would have been confused as I recently (within the past week) learnt about everything you just discussed. This includes parasocial relationships, the weather forecast woman, and the fact she went to England to watch a badminton match. Life is crazy, huh?
Unfortunately that type of behaviour is growing, within the west also, with more people living vicariously online and shutting themselves out from real relationships. It's easier than ever for people to avoid, forget, or even never properly learn basic social etiquette and norms. Parents aren't without blame either.
nice insight video . Kind of understand why vtubers quit especially they're being pressured by the Agency to make songs and pushing to be Idols . Working 12-24 hours a day is mentally stressing for content creators
A company that takes 100% of your merch earnings? It's obvious what company it was but still... Actually it doesn't happen only to the girls but to some of the guys as well. This happens only on the the EN branch only I heard.
it's a shame there are viewers who were annoyed of Kakushaku Rin, if they dont like Rin-chan, then dont watch her anymore! you can roast Sora! his immunity is too high to call him with mean words! 0:27 plot twist: Sora is lying, he definitely watches vtubers secretly under his mother's basement.
interesting video, nice share. i used to follow various Vtubers, and eventually felt it was too much content. not enough time for everything in life. so i decided to move on from them. though i do like the entertainment they bring. i don't think most people even think about how hard it is to stream frequently and keep talking for hours hours. trying to keep people viewing or support the streamer for that matter. its much more difficult than the average entry level job. so i respect them for the effort they give.
yea it's getting really common, since people are getting desperate for attention, they turn their attention to vtubers, it's just sad how it can affect the vtubers themselves To think some even resort to stalking, that's scary 😢
I didn’t know Sora could speak Japanese
me neither, & i thought Tagalog was his first langauge
@wtf 😂teshyatan7346
He speaks anime
Do you even watch his channel lmao? (Not in a bad way)
I thought he only spoke American!
people just need to know their boundaries... internet is a public place after all and not completely detached from reality
sad apart is they don't even define reality from fiction most of the time making 100% of this interaction worse every single time. learn everything on the net without any moral value and all internet norms which doesn't apply to everyone in terms of culture law and mostly people . and these people take anything they don't know or agree hostile interactions too because they don't know how the world works.
Like someone said: We used to go on the internet to escape reality, now we use reality to escape the internet
this is internet lol. there are no rules here
@@sampatkalyan3103I hope somebody the rules should exist here.
@@YugRana-wv9tt then it is not internet.
been a while since I saw kakushaku on your channel. feels good to see her again after a long time
I hope things related to her get good...
Kakushaku?
Isn't she Rin?
@@artificialanimeuniverse5063her name is Kakushaku Rin
Her full name is Kakushaku Rin@@artificialanimeuniverse5063
well seems like this is the second time we see her after years then lol doing good too
It's sadly very common but I'm glad Sora uses their platform to make a little crash course for everyone new or who didn't know about it.
Wholesole Sora content is the best content
Man i havent watched Sora for like 2 years great to be back here
welcome back we have rasengans!
Same here
Same here. Just realized this channel have 1.35mil subs now.
same
@@rustycage82 that's crazy
he was at like 40k when I last watched
As an American, we don't claim that kid.
That's some grammar power spike😂
Nah , that kid was so American 🤡
@@rikudōsennin-jc3uo he prob was but I promise most of us arent like that
but this is so american
As a human, we dont claim that kid
i'm still sorry rin had to go through that. i never knew a kid was behind it though, that's messed up.
His parents didn’t taught him well that’s for sure.
Mike Tyson said it best “Social media made you all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it.”
Japan copied Bangladesh flag 🇧🇩
Thank you for making this video Sora. It’s so nice to see Rin talking about this situation with you. Love her streams and wish you both the best always.
Sora the documentarist.
Sora the interviewer
The Troll Taste (TTT) 😅
SoraV2
Sora the vtuber rizzler
The Vtuber industry is so huge now, it's a bit hard to say how all-encompassing Rin's experiences may be for the entire industry. By 2023, there are ~50k active Vtubers, ranging all the way from small indies who average below 100 concurrent viewers to major agency talents with record breaking views, and how things work (especially among indies) would be quite different in the West too. That said, in the JP indies/smaller agencies space there definitely seems to be a fair bit of similarities with underground idol/smaller idol agencies.
Never forget Nijisanji is still listed under the "See Also" tab on the wikipedia entry for Black Company
I really dont know if it is a lie or not I see no mention of it being one despite the controversies
A black company is a sweatshop like workplace where people have low, unsustainable pay, get verbally abused by their bosses, unhealthy workload, and all that nasty stuff
Read the article more to get a full understanding
People can edit article in wiki
@@aidansedelnick4443that sounds like niji alright
People still use, rely, and believe Wikipedia after all, huh?
@@barbs8851 Unfortunately. Still plenty of accurate info on there of course, but it's never been more full of 💩now more than ever, and it's only getting worse.
She won my heart over her last answer. That was really blunt. Already subscribe to her channel.
So, I guess Needy Streamer Overload got quite some things right, huh...
Thanks for the really informative video
My favorite clipper!!! Omg aughhhhhh
they low key predicted salome's explosive 1M sub growth
Japan copied Bangladesh flag 🇧🇩
Sora is from Bangladesh as well.
@@Mohammad-bb1sw 🤥
Sometimes is not just vtuber, could be also female streamer/content creator in general
Nah, it always happens with streamer for sure, a lot of drama and pretending roleplay 🤣 maybe even more than vtuber
Japan copied Bangladesh flag 🇧🇩
Sora so American he said TWO FACE but Japanese girl didn’t understand him 😂😂
he didn't say it in english what do you mean
More podcast arc Sora pls. Also non-kawaii mode Rin san is awesome
Was never in to watching vTubers, aside from the occasional clip, after watching a couple of them recently I can see the appeal. Some are genuinely funny and there's the odd day I could do with a good laugh to relax and de-stress after work. I was curious about cover songs and m/v's, thanks Rin for the info. My Japanese is terrible but I dropped a sub on her channel to help reach her goal.
I honestly REALLY hate how common death threats are. Whether people have trouble separating fact from fiction, fantasy from reality, and just para-social BS.
People who have not been exposed to the reality of death don't see it as a serious issue. That's at least what I think of US and other western countries. As we continue to change and evolve over time, things change. Societal and cultural norms, production processes, exposure to death and dying in the home (if you have grandparents or even parents living with you or you with them), and of course food preparation. The idea of death is hidden behind polite euphemisms. But that's already too long of a comment.
It's such an easy thing to say, the ultimate vent for frustrations. But now the recipient legitimately has to consider, that what if there's an actual chance the threat was serious, and the recipient no longer feels safe at home, the one place every person should have to feel safe at? These edgy kids never get that.
It should be seen as a much more serious crime than it is. If you threaten someone online you should definitely be arrested.
It is not common at all. There are thousands over thousands of people interacting and you only get very few actual threats (No, a "kys" does not count as a threat!).
The only reason it seems so common to many people now is, that they are exposed to way more interactions than people were before the internet.
@@felisconcolori considered how people here in the US murder people over the little things I'm not shocked.
I remember a while back some shot & killed another person over an argument about how big someone's dog is
It's been a long time since I watch Sora or Rin,
It's been so long Sora become fluent in Japanese and Rin going indie...
Idol + Anime + Internet = Vtuber
Idol Culture + Anime Degenerates + Internet anonymity = A bad time
I really don't get this "idol" concept thing... is it basically kinda synonym for celebrity or something?
@@bencze465 Asian "idol" culture is western "celebrity" culture but way more extreme. Idols are frequently banned from dating and if caught with a boyfriend/girlfriend they get severely punished. "cancel culture" is mild compared to what happens to Idols.
@@bencze465It is basically a worshipping culture, but instead of worshipping a higher power or entity, they worship a version of “ideal celebrity or figure” in their minds that they project onto their favorite internet personalities. So yeah, it sounds as bad as it is.
To be fair, the internet anonymity can also apply to the vtubers thats why vtubing solves most of "idol"'s problem because they can hide behind a png
@@halfbee7886Yeah, when it gets to that point, I’d honestly rather just have people simp for a purely fictional character
as a Japanese and English speaker as well as someone who pays attention to Vtubers every now and then , I’m surprised that Rin didn’t mention / hasn’t experienced Vtuber Dramas since they basically they’ve happened almost daily in the Vtuber community of lots of regions
even as an independent Vtuber , it’s kinda hard to avoid some of the dramas as well
hopefully Rin hasn’t experiencing any types of Vtubers dramas 🙏🏻 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I think in Japan it's easier to sue the dramatuber as defamation, in us they're protected by "free speech"
Yeah, in my country, one of the biggest Vtuber has been exposed being a man recently
@@hoaha6343your name is Vietnamese,so you must be refering "Dino Sakura"
@honsuaman8743 not really, drama farmers in EN vtuber community will use everything and make it big. i remember the one small vtuber who is adult and has child but she's using loli model. she got harassed and drama farmers "reported" it. it just drama farmers use big corpa vtubers on title and thumbnail to draw attention
@honsuaman8743 from what i heard (i actually did watch her graduate stream), twitter as usual harassed her for roleplaying as loli (like they said "it's literal child" thing) while she's an adult and has child. she was small vtuber like under 1k subs too. my point is, it's not true EN drama farmers won't cover small vtuber, they will, especially in dry season
i never thought Sora would upload a nearly 16 minute video espically about vtubers! usually Sora makes a 3-6 minute sketch videos!
there is one more vtuber Sora hasnt given attention for the last 3 years, and that is Nene Amano from Production Kawaii, Sora has never raided Nene Amano since he thought the idea of raiding small vtubers 3 years ago!
1:33 wait are all the haters online just exhausted v-tubers on their alt accounts?
lol that’s very funny image, trolls are all vtubers’ alt accounts
They are the cause and solution to all their problems
@@xXUnoriginalNameXx33Meygaera they cause problems to sell themselves as the solution ig lol
that's gotta be a big business move if that's true lol
Thats a certified schizo vtuber moment
There is this weird thing where I won't watch Rin or Sora for a while, but if they collab, I'll start watching both of them again. I don't understand it. It's like when I watch Pewdiepie and Cinnamontoastken collab, even though I haven't been watching their individual content that much.
this was a really good insight into vtubing, thank you sora 🙏
This is really insightful
This gave me an insight on how vtubing works. I only knew 2 (ironmouse and nuxtaku). Btw, i like this kind of videos. You might want to interview more people in the future (like translators and VAs and their insight on AI, English teachers, etc).
Wow havent seen rin in sora vid for while🎉🎉🎉 aww for rin san😢
I found Rin through this channel, initially. Good to see her back here.
I like this kind of serious videos, I hope you do other stuff like this in the future
"Not into Anime"
RASENGAN
Big 3 is pretty casual, so not enough to be a weeb
Petition for Sora to get his own VTuber Model(with big Jiggle Physics) so he could be a VTuber when he does his Private Streams**.
Jiggle what? His balls?
I will be delighted to see sora as a vtuber
Damn you guys are gays..
Love you all
@@desperateloner8555 I love you too, no homo.
Japan copied Bangladesh flag 🇧🇩
yoo, i remember that death threat thing. i'm really happy that the person apologized, and that Rin was able to move on from it.
i still feel like he should face legal punishment for it, but if he was really young, maybe the negative reactions were already enough of a punishment.
I don't even have subtitles on when I watch rin admittingly. I be perpetually lost
Thanks Sora and Rin. Quite insightful with the behind the scenes look into the vtubing space. Hope the situation gets better with time.
As always 😂
1:05 that’s the risk of being in the spotlight of social media all the time. You see it in movies, shows, etc. And the worst part is that these kinds of things actually happen.
hey! :D nice to see Rin back on the channel for some Q and A's sora style!
Fun and entertaining interview with Rin-san
Sonic in Sora’s recommendations! Let’s go!
That is wild. I didn't know that Vtubers in agencies get ripped off that much.
Vtuber agencies are pretty much based on the model of japanese idol agencies and since japanese idols can get ripped off horrifically of course that follows to the vtuber world. Thats why im vary about watching agency vtubers outside hololive and even with hololive i live in assumption that hololive is at least somewhat fair to their talent.
@@hhdhpublic well, since most of holo girls can afford 3d concert for their birthday/anniversary, means they paid really well
It's in the he contract and u should read before sign it
But some companies abusing their power taking profit while not doing their obligation
I feel like that's not a really good comparision since agencies varies greatly from one another. He mention 100% merch taken but in Hololive from what we know is about 50% and negotiable depending on how involved the talents themself are in the merch. As for pure earnings, Indie likely would earn more at 1/10 of the subscribers compared to agency Vtubers but if you join an agency, it's for more than just the income, you are getting the support of the agency itself and the connections they have. And a part of the money the agency takes would go back to investing in you through 3D lives, concerts, models, protecting you from trolls, etc... And if you have extra income, you can spend them through the agency for content (e.g Hololive's Marine with her highly animated MVs, and she does that a lot which means her earnings is really high) Most indies would struggle to achieve the level of content an agency can help you do unless you are really popular like Ui-mama.
So being a Japanese vtuber is basically like being an idol, which comes complete with all the psycho lonely fans.
I'm a simple man, I see Rin-Chan and I click.
Really good video. Though it's almost a flashback-like experience hearing about this, as if I'm back in the mid-2000s, hearing about the situation with regular idols. Some things sadly don't really change.
Just saw this as well! Oh my god, poor Rin-san! I hope the situation got under control!
This is a good video to help create awareness for being realistic and remembering these are people not objects
Boi 🗣️
Wow! This is the first time i saw you made this kind of video :)
Please continue this format.
I think V-Tubers are fun to watch regardless of if you like Anime or not.
What makes them fun to watch is the fact that they can behave so liberally due of the ambiguity of their identities being hidden.
They can act very extreme and over the top without being worried about embarrassing themselves publicly. Kind of like how people would behave around their friends.
I feel like Sora The Troll is much like a V-Tuber in the way he behaves. The main difference is that he's not embarrassed to be seen or confronted in public.
On other hand, with some of the vtubers whove ive seen doing some irl stuff ive wondered how much the masks actually help to hide their identity. Obiviously you still dont know their irl names or such but one would think that they could still recognize them, right? Or maybe not. Maybe theyd just blend to the crowd like anyone else.
@@hhdhpublic OPSEC is what they are doing. They are wearing mask so people won't recognize them but if their closest friend or people they met, they would surely recognize you by their eyes and hair. For viewers, not at all. I remember reading a youtube title that i didn't watch and some vtuber got their face leaked.
I believe it was shylily: th-cam.com/video/IKRYH-FIe0A/w-d-xo.html
There would be trash people leaking your face then posting it for clout not knowing now how many people would see your face on social media.
@@hhdhpublic the voice would be a dead give away for people that know the person
Very Interesting. Thank's for the wonderful content.
Never forget that behind that smiling avatar is a real person with real feelings.
thats really cool insight
thank you sora and rin
りんさん気づいたらデビュー3年経つのか... 想像以上にぶっちゃけてて笑っちゃっいましたw vtuber... 大変な仕事だ...
Omg Rin is back!!!
Thank you for the video, it was very good. I had some concept of what happening inside the vtuber industry, but this was a good reality check for it and mostly matched with my vision.
I don't know this vtuber nor do I speak japanese but she gets my sub and like just to generate that much more youtube rev. Hang in there.
Sora san should do more of this kind of interviews
"Are Vtubers two faced?"
To me not really.. To me putting on my Vtuber face only boosts my chaotic nature even more when in person I am alot more introverted or suppressed
Haven't watched Sora for a long time now.
But this one caught my eye.
Consider making more of these type of videos in the future!
I plan to continue my membership to her channel this month, because after long hiatus from watching her channel she still remembered and mentioned what I always requested on her singing stream back then.
2:38 I almost choked with the food that I was swallowing now I have rice in my nose LMAO
This was a really good interview about vtubers.
more rin collabs 🗣🗣
Sora always gives me confidence on my face
So good to see Rin back on the channel, been missing her appearance a lot
What’s jokes is that half of them are actually men using a voice modulator
If even this video doesn't make it clear despite it being so well made, go play Chilla's Art's "Parasocial." I think that does a great job.
Great reference.
This is the first time for me to see the Vtuber situation upclose in an actual interview. I'm not into Vtubers myself and I knew very little about them, no more than just "scratching the surface" and the "annoying high pitched cringe voices" random people (mostly haters) rants about wasn't enough to have a good view of a clear picture. I couldn't imagine the Vtubers having it rough (at least in the Japanese industry), because as Sora have mentioned, from outside they seem to be somewhat wealthy.
It's not really new to find out that "appearances can be deceiving", but still is can be hugely surprising when you get to look deeper into a subject such as this one. I genuinely feel like I'm ending the day having my perspective getting a little more bigger.
I just subscribed today after seeing some "dumbest rules in Japanese shop" and some others that are super funny, and I'm glad of this today's finding 😊
Thank you for reminding me why I fizzled out of VTubers later this year
apart from the few things that are unique to being anonymous EVERY person online has to deal with this stuff lmao, its nothing special if anything they get it less as when it happens its a big deal like that one saying "i got a death threat" most youtubers get them daily and same with stalking
100% of merch revenue?! That can't be legal!
I don't think that's unreasonable at all, they make the model and produce merch all by themselves
@@hoaha6343 Yeah, it's not like McDonalds needs to share any merch revenue with the people playing Ronald McDonald. At the end of the day, they made and own all rights to the model. They could fire the person behind it and put another person in as the new "actor" for the model.
With that said, it is scummy as hell.
It is legal but just because something is legal it is not correct.
tbf they agency is the one that made the merch but yea its pretty scummy to do since the character were promoted by the person behind the screen.
THIS MAN, he does free promo for rin whenever he can, dude is a dedicated #1 fan
thanks for the video, sora.
good support for the vtuber too!
Sadly, this is quite common for any public figure exposed on the Internet.
:((( just really saddening
This was a very insightful video. Thanks for making it, Sora.
I actually was wondering how she was doing, since she hadn't appeared on the channel since the death threat. Glad to see she's doing well!
I saw that spit at 2:10
Yha bro I saw that too😂
lol
lmao
One thing that I always heard from independent Vtuber is that their circle of friends is really small, so they often say something along the lines of "IDK what I would do if I ever quit Vtubing, without connection, I might just come back to my parent house" especially they who start at young age, even big Vtuber, and those in agency wonder about this, they feel like they lose the change of "being normal" and get in a relationship with someone, so if there's another one, I really wanted you to collab with a bunch of indies to do talks like this, between their Vtubing career and their private life, how did they balance it? it's such a sensitive question, so I understand if it's not included anyway~
It's been a long time since I watched Sora videos. I remember when he only had around 300k subscribers or so.
Rin is definitely an interesting Vtuber, gonna sub to her but realized she couldn't do Rasengan so stopped myself from doing so xD
Jokes aside, wish all the best for her. It's really sucks to see Vtubers, Utaite who do cover songs couldn't get monetized. Imagine how many Utaite, Vtubers that has great talents but couldn't get enough popularity. We might have a lot of talented singers like Ado who started from singing on online platforms if they can get money from doing cover songs
My lord, that bit with her acting like wanting to punch people and insulting people on Twitter was super hilarious.
Thank you for the video. I'm still not sure what, or why, Vtubers are, but this video was entertaining and provided some insight.
Are you trying to tell me you and I aren't dating Sora?
Hey he is mine not you
Thank you Rin-san for your insight 👍
dude japan has such a big problem with parasocial relationships its crazy, idols and vtubers get stalked and harassed, hell even wather bradcasters if they are cute, I still remember one that after taking a 1 week break to go to england their fans investigated like crazy fucks and discovered that she was there watching his "secret" boyfriend playing a badminton match and later resigned because of the backlash, its so crazy
Oh yeah, I agree big time. On a side note, if I had read your comment 1 week ago, I would have been confused as I recently (within the past week) learnt about everything you just discussed. This includes parasocial relationships, the weather forecast woman, and the fact she went to England to watch a badminton match.
Life is crazy, huh?
it's really not that much different in the US, you know like every major female streamer has/had stalkers, same for celebrities.
But hey, that's how they make their money and popularity off losers
@@PhoenixWrightAceAttorney you had to learn all of that in a week? i see.......collecting as much info as possible for your next case huh
Unfortunately that type of behaviour is growing, within the west also, with more people living vicariously online and shutting themselves out from real relationships. It's easier than ever for people to avoid, forget, or even never properly learn basic social etiquette and norms. Parents aren't without blame either.
nice insight video . Kind of understand why vtubers quit especially they're being pressured by the Agency to make songs and pushing to be Idols . Working 12-24 hours a day is mentally stressing for content creators
Daaaaang, that's that's just sad :(
4:42 As a non VTuber I can confirm every adult have this situation.
A company that takes 100% of your merch earnings? It's obvious what company it was but still...
Actually it doesn't happen only to the girls but to some of the guys as well.
This happens only on the the EN branch only I heard.
U know Sora is serious when he starts speaking in English
殺害予告はさすがにやばい
Soudane
それな
予告するくせに実行しに行くとき着ていく服がない人ですね🧑🏼🦲
it's a shame there are viewers who were annoyed of Kakushaku Rin, if they dont like Rin-chan, then dont watch her anymore! you can roast Sora! his immunity is too high to call him with mean words!
0:27 plot twist: Sora is lying, he definitely watches vtubers secretly under his mother's basement.
i haven't seen rin san in your videos for a while
Dude you are hilarious talking with fellow japanese. That laugh
Thanks for the update
I demand more content with Rin-San
interesting video, nice share.
i used to follow various Vtubers, and eventually felt it was too much content. not enough time for everything in life. so i decided to move on from them. though i do like the entertainment they bring. i don't think most people even think about how hard it is to stream frequently and keep talking for hours hours. trying to keep people viewing or support the streamer for that matter. its much more difficult than the average entry level job. so i respect them for the effort they give.
Man, if only she worked a job that didn't involve getting lonely, desperate dudes to give her money in exchange for the illusion of intimacy.
yea it's getting really common, since people are getting desperate for attention, they turn their attention to vtubers, it's just sad how it can affect the vtubers themselves
To think some even resort to stalking, that's scary 😢
Wow I really liked this podcast
Sora you have to make skit with Rin again. It's been a while.