!!! Please note !!! At time 10:38, Do not misinterpret my discussion there as suggesting that you should start tuning the Master multiplier first, before PD balance etc. That is NOT what I am saying. The basic PID tuning steps have not changed (and I’ve stated this in the current vid), and for more detail on this you should follow my previous videos. In this part of the video (10:38) I am just talking about how to set STARTING values (ie, the values of sliders for the FIRST of your series of tuning tests). Hope this is clear. Happy Tuning! -brian
i followed the older videos and got results i never had in 10 years before. thank you for that. i appreciate more videos with one step after another and how to control which values are in OK area and which is not. i also would watch these long videos from other pilots sending in their files with problems. there is no other channel in the world which does that, its a unique thing.
The way you convey and present the information, makes me think you are a educator. Even the topics and subheadings are numbered, organized and very structured. I felt like I was sitting through a Uni lecture, well done!
hello! I am a person who has been using your pid toolbox for about 3 years! what a GOOD tool by god! I no longer enter values and try them to see how they sound or interpret some lines in blackbox, this tool was a before and after for me, as a drone enthusiast, having my quad always ready to fly and with its best settings! The truth is, thank you very much and I am grateful for giving us this possibility to visualize and learn a little more every day!
Thank you so much for your work! After 3 years of learning how to tune, tuning without BB, then with BBE, then with PTB, I started to feel the tune and then verify my feelings in your software. First I thought - naaaah, I will tune it my way using PTB, even tuning FF + P /D balance via Step Response tool, but now - I started to understand why you are tuning the way you do.
These videos are pure gold. I REALLY appreciate the time you put into making this make sense. It's also great to see you back making videos again. With the release of 4.5 it would probably help a lot of folks if you could make a single step-by-step video of your process tuning a normal 5 inch racing or freestyle rig. I know there's a lot of information in your older videos but I can't find a video from the last few years where actually take a regular 5" rig and demonstrate from start-to-finish how you tune it from defaults. Love all your videos, and the PID toolbox tool is a genuine community blessing. Thanks for everything you do for us mortals.
Trying to tune 10" right now. Using pid tool box right now. Trying alot of different settings along with looking at blackbox I need to try angle mode and just hovering.
Thank you, for the update on BF 4.5! Tuning the filters along with PID makes so much sense to me. Do you check the filtering after each section of the PID tuning process or do you revisit those just in general?
Great Video again Brian!! In BF 4.4 shall I do I-term before Feedforward? Or Feedforward then I-term but moving FF slider to 0 as I am not sure how FF affects ANGLE MODE in BF 4.4 Thanks
@@PIDtoolbox ok I've done some tests and I'm confused : Test 1 acro, rates with expo, angle FF=50 Test 2 angle, rates with expo, angle FF=50 Test 3 acro, linear rates, angle FF=50 Test 4 angle, linear rates, angle FF=50 Test 5 acro, linear rates, angle FF=0 Test 6 angle, linear rates, angle FF=0 All tests (1,3,5) on acro mode are nearly similiar as expected... but, every test on angle mode (2, 4, 6) gives very different result and none of them are like tests on acro. If I have to choose which one on angle mode is closer to acro then test no. 2 will be closest, but it's different enought that it cannot be used in basement tuning method in angle and then fly in acro. Till BF4.4.3 everything was crispy clear, easy and repetitive but now it looks like you can't use angle to get the same result in acro If you want to look BB log tests then I can send it to you.
What do you mean by take into account rotational inertia when designing a frame. Position of motors, like X or stretched? Or weight distribution of where parts are installed?
Prop to prop distance for example (some xclass frames come to mind). Greater distance, more rot. Inertia. More rot. Inertia, more P and D are needed. More D means more noise into the pid controller
I installed PID toolbox. Tried opening a Betafligth log file - the UI shows a small popup window that loads the values ("Please wait...") but it stays there indefinitely. I did not restart the computer after the matlab dependency install. Could that be the issue?
@@PIDtoolbox The thing is, the default install location is C:\Program Files\ and PID toolbox exe doesn't have anything in its manifest that forces it to run with admin rights. So obviously it cannot write into the folder where it runs. It can't create the log file. The dev could make things far more easier for users by 1) defaulting to a non C:\Program Files directory for install, for example, the Users folder as the standard approach followed by apps that doesn't need elevated rights and apps that install only for the current user 2) Even if the default install location is kept at C:\Program Files, the working directory could in within the Users folder. With these approaches, there's no need to have the program binaries separately shipped and no need to ask users to run it from another folder or anything. The installed binaries and the shortcut should just work well.
@@Sleeperknot MAtlab App compiler does not allow install locations besides the typical Programs Folder. The 'working directory has to include the 3rd party BB_decode programs to extract the data from .bbl files. It's just how it is. Most have no issue if they follow the instructions.
PTB is only available through Patreon. Older versions of PTB do not work with BF 4.5 and onward. The latest PTB is BF 4.5+ ready and is also backward compatible with any version of BF
Safer and cleaner more reliable data, and able to be done in a confined space. It’s just for tuning and it’s not tuning angle mode. It’s tuning the acro PIDs but in a convenient way
@@PIDtoolbox so switch to angle for better data or just safety? I've never had issues hovering around in acro as far as control is concerned. But I deff want best data as possible. Kinda a setpoint gyro and latency snob when it comes to tuning. Always trying to push it to absolute limits of the crafts.
Ya PIDs and filters come over from 4.4 no issue, the filters work a bit better in 4.5 but there is no changes to the way they workz and the rpm weight is only really for the advanced tuner
!!! Please note !!! At time 10:38, Do not misinterpret my discussion there as suggesting that you should start tuning the Master multiplier first, before PD balance etc. That is NOT what I am saying. The basic PID tuning steps have not changed (and I’ve stated this in the current vid), and for more detail on this you should follow my previous videos. In this part of the video (10:38) I am just talking about how to set STARTING values (ie, the values of sliders for the FIRST of your series of tuning tests). Hope this is clear. Happy Tuning! -brian
may i know where's to find any information about betaflight adjusment for ICM Gyro ?
@@captaindronieversefpv Betaflight discord maybe ?
i followed the older videos and got results i never had in 10 years before. thank you for that. i appreciate more videos with one step after another and how to control which values are in OK area and which is not. i also would watch these long videos from other pilots sending in their files with problems. there is no other channel in the world which does that, its a unique thing.
Thank you, greatly appreciate
The way you convey and present the information, makes me think you are a educator. Even the topics and subheadings are numbered, organized and very structured. I felt like I was sitting through a Uni lecture, well done!
hello! I am a person who has been using your pid toolbox for about 3 years! what a GOOD tool by god! I no longer enter values and try them to see how they sound or interpret some lines in blackbox, this tool was a before and after for me, as a drone enthusiast, having my quad always ready to fly and with its best settings! The truth is, thank you very much and I am grateful for giving us this possibility to visualize and learn a little more every day!
Brian is back!
Brian thanks a lot for all your work! It's great to have you in our community!
Thank you so much for your work! After 3 years of learning how to tune, tuning without BB, then with BBE, then with PTB, I started to feel the tune and then verify my feelings in your software.
First I thought - naaaah, I will tune it my way using PTB, even tuning FF + P /D balance via Step Response tool, but now - I started to understand why you are tuning the way you do.
These videos are pure gold. I REALLY appreciate the time you put into making this make sense. It's also great to see you back making videos again. With the release of 4.5 it would probably help a lot of folks if you could make a single step-by-step video of your process tuning a normal 5 inch racing or freestyle rig. I know there's a lot of information in your older videos but I can't find a video from the last few years where actually take a regular 5" rig and demonstrate from start-to-finish how you tune it from defaults. Love all your videos, and the PID toolbox tool is a genuine community blessing. Thanks for everything you do for us mortals.
So much valuable information, thank you Brian
I may need a session Brian! my friend has great things to say!! building another heavy lift soon
This is definitively really instructive! As always, you rock, thanks for your awesome information sharing 🙏
Liked! More content like this is always welcome.
Trying to tune 10" right now. Using pid tool box right now. Trying alot of different settings along with looking at blackbox
I need to try angle mode and just hovering.
Another great video, I learn something new every time.
Great stuff, even for someone like me I just wanted a refresher and this does the trick! :)
At 4:55 how do you have such clean wobbles? did you program them in edgetx?
Auto wobble controller programmed in radio. Link in description
@@PIDtoolbox I need to be a patreon Im geussing?
Thank you, for the update on BF 4.5! Tuning the filters along with PID makes so much sense to me. Do you check the filtering after each section of the PID tuning process or do you revisit those just in general?
After each test
Nice! Thank you Brian!
Thank you for sharing. subbed!
verry well presented.
Thanks. You are the best!
@1:31 of course someone with a 13" lifter carrying a gimbal wants to do a 100% throttle ramp. 😇
Great Video again Brian!!
In BF 4.4 shall I do I-term before Feedforward?
Or Feedforward then I-term but moving FF slider to 0 as I am not sure how FF affects ANGLE MODE in BF 4.4
Thanks
Well stated sir. Thanks
Hi
What about angle strenght in BF4.5? Shouldnt it be changed from 50 to 100?
Leave angle strength at 50. Set rates to linear for tuning. Set angle feedforward to 0 (it’s in CLI)
@@PIDtoolbox ok thanks
@@PIDtoolbox ok I've done some tests and I'm confused :
Test 1 acro, rates with expo, angle FF=50
Test 2 angle, rates with expo, angle FF=50
Test 3 acro, linear rates, angle FF=50
Test 4 angle, linear rates, angle FF=50
Test 5 acro, linear rates, angle FF=0
Test 6 angle, linear rates, angle FF=0
All tests (1,3,5) on acro mode are nearly similiar as expected... but, every test on angle mode (2, 4, 6) gives very different result and none of them are like tests on acro. If I have to choose which one on angle mode is closer to acro then test no. 2 will be closest, but it's different enought that it cannot be used in basement tuning method in angle and then fly in acro.
Till BF4.4.3 everything was crispy clear, easy and repetitive but now it looks like you can't use angle to get the same result in acro
If you want to look BB log tests then I can send it to you.
@@Prosto_o_Dronach send link to 2 logfiles that show a difference between angle vs acro
@@PIDtoolbox all 6 tests in zip drive.google.com/file/d/18we8sLN-JqOwQ5vtaDR3kCkQvikt5s8t/view?usp=drive_link
Ugh, 4:00, I think I'm having an issue with an AIO because of this. So many gyro issues that seem to be an electrical issue.
RC smoothing ON or OFF Does it affect tuning?
Is there still a free version of this?
Good stuff brother. Subscribed 👏🤙
What do you mean by take into account rotational inertia when designing a frame. Position of motors, like X or stretched? Or weight distribution of where parts are installed?
Prop to prop distance for example (some xclass frames come to mind). Greater distance, more rot. Inertia. More rot. Inertia, more P and D are needed. More D means more noise into the pid controller
I installed PID toolbox. Tried opening a Betafligth log file - the UI shows a small popup window that loads the values ("Please wait...") but it stays there indefinitely. I did not restart the computer after the matlab dependency install. Could that be the issue?
It means you didn’t follow the installation vid carefully
@@PIDtoolbox
The thing is, the default install location is C:\Program Files\ and PID toolbox exe doesn't have anything in its manifest that forces it to run with admin rights. So obviously it cannot write into the folder where it runs. It can't create the log file.
The dev could make things far more easier for users by 1) defaulting to a non C:\Program Files directory for install, for example, the Users folder as the standard approach followed by apps that doesn't need elevated rights and apps that install only for the current user 2) Even if the default install location is kept at C:\Program Files, the working directory could in within the Users folder. With these approaches, there's no need to have the program binaries separately shipped and no need to ask users to run it from another folder or anything. The installed binaries and the shortcut should just work well.
@@Sleeperknot MAtlab App compiler does not allow install locations besides the typical Programs Folder. The 'working directory has to include the 3rd party BB_decode programs to extract the data from .bbl files. It's just how it is. Most have no issue if they follow the instructions.
Thank you!
Should I pay for PIDtoolbox latest version or is it for free?
PTB is only available through Patreon. Older versions of PTB do not work with BF 4.5 and onward. The latest PTB is BF 4.5+ ready and is also backward compatible with any version of BF
Could I have the link to download the latest free version? Thanks
PTB is only available on Patreon (link in the description). Older versions do not work with BF4.5 and onward anyway
hi. must feedforward_transition param be 0 or 100 on bf45 when using pidtoolbox for tuning? Is it matter for angle mod?
Doesn’t matter in angle mode for BF45
Thank's!
Why in angle mode? I never fly angle mode? Is it just sugeested for safety or it does it gice better data?
Safer and cleaner more reliable data, and able to be done in a confined space. It’s just for tuning and it’s not tuning angle mode. It’s tuning the acro PIDs but in a convenient way
@@PIDtoolbox so switch to angle for better data or just safety? I've never had issues hovering around in acro as far as control is concerned. But I deff want best data as possible. Kinda a setpoint gyro and latency snob when it comes to tuning. Always trying to push it to absolute limits of the crafts.
@@JLfpv i get cool responsible data when switched to low rate and angle mod for tuning. it helps me for best tuning in my small room without crashes
YES PLEASE!!! 🙂
there are none other than rpm filter weight not one 🤔
nothing that I see that changes the pid tuning process in any significant way. any pidf from 4.4 will work the same on 4.5
Ya PIDs and filters come over from 4.4 no issue, the filters work a bit better in 4.5 but there is no changes to the way they workz and the rpm weight is only really for the advanced tuner
this video says nothing to me, its better to do do a step by step tutorial video. where you explaine live what we see and what to do. Thanx anyway
Thank You