Imagine a lazy slow day and just looking out a window to see a local light freight just rocketing down the line faster then you could have ever expected.
I'm one of those who do believe in City of Truro breaking 100mph first, despite it being unofficial but if this event didn't happen, would City of Truro still be with us? This one disputed event in railway history saved this engine from becoming scrap metal like the rest of its class.
I would say Flying Scotsman as the first for having a proper and precise speedometer. but I like the castle class much more even though its after flying scotsman. It was 1923, castle class was september that year.
I'm with you. And don't forget that after the locomotive exchange with Pendennis Castle flying Scotsman and all its class were rebuilt as A3s with higher boiler pressure and longer valve travel on Great Western lines. Also only 40 A1 were built before being rebuilt as A3s while 171 castles were built over 27 years (right on into the BR era). I think this says more than one downhill publicity stunt
Mallard: Dear Brother Flying Scotsman I case if you didn’t know these 4-4-0 pulled express trains but how I can say he is small engine like Edward out of date or…… . Birchgrove: Or how about you two leave City Of Turo alone he may be a 4-4-0 I understand how this created a debate between you three however there is something quite interesting with Thomas . Flying Scottsman: Oh what about Thomas . Birchgrove: Well I have a theory that Thomas is not a E2 but a E4 after a re build. . Mallard: Hmm guys what do think about this theory?
Railwaymen usually call their engines "she". When you consider every machine is unique, temperamental, needs hours of tender loving care, you understand why they thought of them as females, and why their wives were often so jealous.
If we consider the usual max speed for a locomotive in europe in this tome was about 70-80 mph, and just on test runs were the 90-100 mph-ish speed, we say: respect Britain.
Gordon: "His got no dome, never trust domeless engines, ther not respectable. I never boast, but a hundred miles per hour will be easy for me, goodbye" Thomas and friends: domeless engines
@@RetroPro7101 "They're not respectable." And the story was in Duck and the Diesel engine. If you're going to correct someone, at least do it properly.
I think this story goes to show, once again, that steam engines really are incredible machines. Many of them were probably capable of far more than they were actually given credit for.
Whilst I doubt City of Truro actually got to 100mph I'm glad the claim was made as it got Truro preserved and saved the class from being lost entirely.
Fun fact: Another 4-4-0 in America was the first locomotive in the Untied States (And the world at that time!) known as “NYC & Hudson River #999, or simply Engine 999, who hit 100 MPH and was nicknamed “The Queen of Speed” for being the fastest land vehicle at the time. On May 9th, she hit 102 and at 112.5 MPH on May 10, 1893 between Batavia and Buffalo.
I do like this channel, you make some entertaining videos. If you’re open to suggestions on videos to cover, may I suggest the locomotive that was buried in mud in New Zealand that was dug up last year? (Apparently there’s another one still down there too)
@@francoismurrell4604 not in this case. I believe that when the locomotives became old, instead of scrapping them they dumped them in river beds to act as makeshift dams
K88 is probably a more suitable example than the recent exhumation of the V's, K88 obviously having been completely restored and in operating condition for a few decades now...
I feel so privileged to have seen City of Truro in steam on the main line shortly before her boiler certificate expired. She is quite literally an antique and a beautiful looking design too. She's currently in the National Railway Museum in York and to be honest that's probably where she'll be staying. There are currently no plans to bring her back to main line condition.
I have heard of that argument, whether City of Truro or The Flying Scottsman was the 1st engine to go 100 mph. So to end the argument, I say this: Forget the "1st engine in general" how about this: City of Turo was the 1st GWR engine to go 100mph. Flying Scotsman was the 1st LNER engine to go 100 mph. That's it, I don't care who was 1st to reach the speed, but those 2 engines made their companies proud.
I was at the Mid-Hants about 10 years ago the the Truro was there and pulled the train I was on- it was retired shortly after. One of the better looking machines that I've ever seen. I hope it comes back into service someday.
Let me say it that as an American, I can say that there is much talk about Engine 999 exceeding 100 mph before City of Truro. It's quite remarkable that both were a 4-4-0 "American" wheel configuration. I'll admit I have not heard of the electric railcar in Berlin before now but like City of Truro, No. 999 is preserved on static display in Chicago, Illinois.
The problem with both the City of Turo and the 999, is that the precision devices just didn’t exist. While it’s debatable as to whether it was 999, City of Turo, Flying Scotsman, or Mallard, they were/are equally beautiful locomotives!
@@3xfaster the noted timer Charles Rous Martin happened to be on 999's run. He timed it at 84mph, and he was a world renowned railway journalist with many timings under his belt
@@3xfaster lol. There was a few genuine enthusiasts around that time. I've got some railway enthiast magazines dating from around that period, and they're full of timings and commentary by these enthusiasts. A bit of a social comment is that they all seem to be of society gentlemen with lordly connections and of independent means (upper class and wealthy basically...). However there was obviously a market for these magazines and books for those who may have well been influential in railway matters...
Whichever did top the big 100 first, at least we can all agree that all three of 'em are still some fine beautiful locomotives doing what they did best back in the day. ... NYC&HR no. 999 being a personal favourite of the three. ^^'
Gordon: good reddens, chattering all night who is he anyway ? Thomas: Duck told you He's famous Gordon: as famous as me Thomas: hes famouser than you Gordon he went 100mph before you were though of Gordon: so he say but he has no dome, Never trust domeless engines, the are not respectful, I hate to boast but 100mph would be easy for me.
For those arguing about which train reached 100 miles an hour first, are you arguing on whether Truro itself on flat and level ground had or can still go faster than The Flying Scotsman? Because I think that The Flying Scotsman would have been the first locomotive to do it on it's own on level ground without the aid of gravity pulling it down a decline. But Truro, with the aid of the additional weight of heavy cargo it would have been carrying, and if it was on a good enough decline, could have been the first train to go 100 mph. It's not to unfathomable to believe, gravity can be a powerful force. Though, while Truro could of been the first train to go 100 miles an hour, it could of technically only reached that speed under the right conditions, so The Flying Scotsman could of been the first train to go 100 miles an hour on it's own without assistance if Truro was the first train to go 100 miles an hour under the right conditions. So that would mean BOTH trains are special to the history of locomotives. One that could of been the first ever to reach 100 mph, doing so first but with assistance from extra weight and gravity, and the other the first to, while not reach 100 mph first, was the first locomotive to reach 100 mph on it's own without a fundamental force of nature. Now with that settled, can't you all just get along?
Now that would be a great fan-made Thomas short. Having City of Truro and Flying Scotsman arguing over who set the world record for achieving 100 miles an hour lol.
THE UNLUCKY TUG: does one meme of a violent flying Scotsman/city of Truro speed record argument American train enthusiast: walks in with a gun "IT WAS ENGINE 999!"
Can you do a video on the North Staffordshire railway 4 cylinder 0-6-0t or "D class"? I haven't been able find a lot about it, maybe you'll have better luck.
I use to be skeptical about the City of Truro's record, but now that we know there was someone doing calculations and it wasn't a speedometer, the theory has more merit in my eyes.
The cool thing about 999 is that it’s still here in Chicago and it’s sitting in the museum of science and industry which holds a weather exhibit a Vehicular exhibit including 999 and other cool vehicles and holds the only U boat in the United States and only 3 u boats survive today
City of Truro was removed from the York Museum in 1957 and returned to traffic after overhaul at Swindon Works. At that time BR did this with a number of historic engines and they ran special trains around the country. When not engaged in such specials, the engine was used on the now long closed Didcot, Newbury & Southampton railway and it is said, that this was done so the engine could haul trains that were used in large numbers by workers from the former Southern Railway works at Eastleigh near Southampton. This may be urban myth but the Swindon men liked to call the Southern's 4-4-0 class the T9s- built at Eastleigh "Steamrollers" so there was rivalry. BR preserved a T9 and it likewise was used for a few years before it was finally retired but was put back into working order but was retired again quite recently.
So ummm, there is another locomotive that was supposed to go 100 mph. It was an A1 Pacific named Papyrus. It was between City of Truro and Flying Scotsman
No, papyrus ran after flying scotsman, both were test runs, whilst flying scotsman reached 100, papyrus reached 108 making it the fastest OFFICIAL steam locomotive at the time
No matter what one might say about the City of Truro with respect to speed records, you can’t deny one thing. The engine looks damn *beautiful.* Seriously, it looks… dashing, bold, like a knight on his barded steed, pressing on as if at war with the wind in its face. No…? Maybe it’s just me thinking so?
@@spaguettoltd.7933 At the cost of seeing the entire thing fall apart,not to mention the boatload of money that would be spent to restore a locomotive that has been static for years? Ok seems reasonable
Sounds similar to the Pennsylvania Railroad's 7002 in 1905 with an unofficial record at 127.1mph. The 7002 also had the Pennsylvanian which is the predecessor to the Broadway Limited in tow.
And even then City Of Truro may not be the first to 100mph as the Dalkey Atmospheric Railway that operated from 1843 - 1854, had an accident where one of it's cars got decoupled and the pipe engaged which shot a poor unsuspecting passenger (who was all alone) at an average of 85 mph down a 3km track. So it's believed that at an average of 85mph at one point it may have hit the magic 100mph at one point and even if it didn't it's quite a funny story and would mean he was the fastest person ever at the time.
@@Alex-cw3rz the very first locomotive operated in 1802 with max speed only 5 mph I doubt there's any locomotive capable to reach 100 mph in 19th century
@@widodoakrom3938 that is like saying the first plane went 31mph I doubt they could get to 620mph in the 20th century... You doubt is based on time and not anything logical. Let alone an Atmospheric train does not run anything like a normal train.
There's something similar to New York Central and Hudson River Railroad No. 999, where it was claimed it was the first 100 mph in 1893. But like the City of Truro, I take the claim with a grain of salt.
Gordon: Good riddance! Him chattering all night long, keeping us important engines awake. Who is he, anyways? Thomas: Duck told you. He's City-Of-Truro, he's famous. Gordon: As famous as me? Nonsense! Duck: Oh, he's much famous-er than you! He went 100mph before you were even drawn or thought of ever. Gordon: Huh! So he says, but I didn't really like any of his looks. He's gotten no dome! Never trust dome-less engines, they're not respectable. Plus, I never really boast, but I'd say that going 100mph would be pretty easy for me. Goodbye!
Milwaukee Road 6402 deserves at least passing mention, she averaged 89 mph for something like sixty eight miles and 92 mph for over fifty miles between Chicago and Milwaukee in 1934 ( to pave the way for the Hiawatha service ) This was some months before Flying Scotsman's record run. The Milwaukee train didn't have a dynamometer car, but the highest speedometer reading on the locomotive was about 103 mph. I believe the speedometer had a recording tape. The elapsed time for the 85 mile run was about 67 minutes, including some mandatory slow running. The average was faster than a typical run of the Hiawatha, which routinely hit 100 mph or better. For more information, see the 21 April 2017 issue of Steam Railway Magazine
There are so many reports from US train crews from various railways that they either hit or exceeded that speed but again they were never official and the companies didnt want to scare their passengers that they were going that fast. And im shre there are many from around the world with similar stories. It truly makes you wonder who truly holds the record for the fastest steam engine in the world. And im not talking about the official holder either.
She was always a fast engine and noted for such in her very recent manifestations on the main line. Driver Moses Clements had to slacken speed because some platelayers were tardy in stepping back from the line. With those 6' 8" wheels and heavy at 92 tons one can only imagine the possibility of the driving wheels actually lifting from the rails with each revolution. Also, I believe that a 'Saint' 'Lady of Lynn' ( a 'twenty-niner') might have done the same as a light engine on test 'to see what she could do' when the pole reverser (which was notorious) became stuck and required the efforts of two men to take it out of full gear. This event had to be kept quiet for a long time and I believe the CME was on the footplate as well as an inspector.
Uncertainties in both steam cases with timing method and the distance between the mileposts. Mileposts being an indicator that could have the position shifted if they were conflcting with signals, drains or other infrastructure. Recall some engineering calculations of both 4-4-0 types not having enough grate area or heating surfaces to generate the required power needed. Especially 999. Primitive valve gear may have been a factor too.
It's things like Stephenson link motion, and absolutely no exhaust or intake science. People have mentioned 999 had 7' driving wheels. If that's the case the B&E broad gauge tanks would've gone 160mph...
One thing I would like to say is that the place where they timed it to find out the speed at a very steep gradient and there’s no way that that engine would be capable of hitting 100 on flat ground many people have said that and it’s been confirmed by evidence meanwhile the official flying Scotsman run was done on almost flat ground and for a large portion was in fact going uphill.
Wasn't there a A3 that had also said to have exceeded 100mph called Papyrus? If what I heard is right, it not only went faster than Flying Scotsman but also did it before Scotsman. However thanks to the great issue of no recording car, it couldn't be official.
Papyrus ran after scotsman with a 108, the fastest ever recorded for an unstreamlined engine, although I rather doubt DR 18201 could really be considered particularly streamlined!
The City Class was on level track not on a incline. I confirmed the City of Truro could indeed do 100mph on level track. The New York Central locomotive was a Hudson which had no running versions at the time when I was inquiring about the truthfulness of the amount, so unfortunately I couldn't test it.
Funny in the comments so many mentioning papyrus or 999, or Milwaukee f7's, or PRR e6's ad infinitum... And yet the Berlin 3 phase railcar record which realistically blitzed everything at that time by a fantastic margin is just a given. Presumably theres a general acceptance that these stupendous achievements by electricity automatically stand up because of the technology involved
If the American engine had done over 100 mph we would all have known about it. There would have been Hollywood movies about it. Casey Jones would have done a tribute TV episode. The engine would be on a pedestal in a Las Vegas casino "Ol' 999 the most famous steam locomotive in the world"!!!!
One of the “City Of” class trains was named after the city I was born and raised in, though it was scrapped with the rest of them with the exception of Truro... Gutted.
@@844SteamFan sorry, being a little facetious. Just a bit like needing a mention that flying scotsman was preserved: it's so well known it doesn't necessarily beg the question. At least 999 got preserved upon the same basis as truro: a vague possibility and moreso popular enthusiastic entreaty that either or neither achieved a speed of some significance. That cannot be said of the fate of that wild Kpev 3 phase railcar...
@@844SteamFan fair call: it would've been nice to see 999 as today, and thinking about it: they should be celebrated: doesn't matter if accurate speed or anything: these were the fastest things on the planet at the time, and not at the exclusive use of millionaires. Agreed: would've been nice for a confirmation of 999's preservation
Imagine a lazy slow day and just looking out a window to see a local light freight just rocketing down the line faster then you could have ever expected.
It might as well have been going the speed of light back then
Lol yeah
"He did it, I'll do it! He did it, I'll do it!"
"He'll knock himself to bits!!!"
@@robrice7246 "Don't trust domeless engines. They're not respectable."
@@fishandjam5383 Never trust Domeless Engines. They aren’t respectable
Flying Scotsman was first
“James collected his passengers and respectfully puffed away”
I'm one of those who do believe in City of Truro breaking 100mph first, despite it being unofficial but if this event didn't happen, would City of Truro still be with us? This one disputed event in railway history saved this engine from becoming scrap metal like the rest of its class.
It would be true to say the debate of her alleged record ensured her survival.
I believe it
@Hank gaming When would that have been? She doesn't get around much these days. I think she's in Swindon, isn't she?
I have to agree with you
I think it happened.
"He's the finest engine in the world!"
-Duck, Domeless Engines
"You wot m8?"
-Gordon, Domeless Engines
"He doesn't have a dome! Domeless Engines are not Proper Engines"
- LNER Stans (Me included)
I would say Flying Scotsman as the first for having a proper and precise speedometer. but I like the castle class much more even though its after flying scotsman. It was 1923, castle class was september that year.
I'm with you. And don't forget that after the locomotive exchange with Pendennis Castle flying Scotsman and all its class were rebuilt as A3s with higher boiler pressure and longer valve travel on Great Western lines. Also only 40 A1 were built before being rebuilt as A3s while 171 castles were built over 27 years (right on into the BR era). I think this says more than one downhill publicity stunt
Isn’t Turo a city class though?
Gordon: “He has no dome” “Domeless engine!”
I never trust domeless engines, they aren’t respectable
@@scodeknight3178 (Looses his dome)
that's a celebrity
I’m crying
Steady Gordon! We aren’t running a race!
Flying scotsman: I am the first engine who went 100 mph
City of Truro: but I did it before you
Flying Scotsman: I don’t see proof
New York Central 999: Hey guys, whatcha talkin' about?
@@SynchroScoreFlying scotsman: speeds you will never be able to get
@@SaulsSodor NYC 999: *waits until PRR 5550 is built and attempts to break Mallard's record*
It's a shame the two never met in Thomas and Friends.
Mallard: Dear Brother Flying Scotsman I case if you didn’t know these 4-4-0 pulled express trains but how I can say he is small engine like Edward out of date or……
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Birchgrove: Or how about you two leave City Of Turo alone he may be a 4-4-0 I understand how this created a debate between you three however there is something quite interesting with Thomas
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Flying Scottsman: Oh what about Thomas
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Birchgrove: Well I have a theory that Thomas is not a E2 but a E4 after a re build.
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Mallard: Hmm guys what do think about this theory?
Not gonna lie, I just like Truro for the design. He looks nice!
Railwaymen usually call their engines "she". When you consider every machine is unique, temperamental, needs hours of tender loving care, you understand why they thought of them as females, and why their wives were often so jealous.
If we consider the usual max speed for a locomotive in europe in this tome was about 70-80 mph, and just on test runs were the 90-100 mph-ish speed, we say: respect Britain.
@@abloogywoogywoo I know! Just decided to mix it up. ^^
@@dabluepittoo-aqua4213 I know, also in Thomas the Tank, Truro's male.
but he hasn’t a dome
Gordon: "His got no dome, never trust domeless engines, ther not respectable. I never boast, but a hundred miles per hour will be easy for me, goodbye"
Thomas and friends: domeless engines
Are you seven?
“He’s got no dome” “there not respectable” and the story was in duck and the Diesel engine
Your lack of spelling and grammar isn't respectable. Learn to type and stop quoting a kids' show.
@@RetroPro7101 "They're not respectable." And the story was in Duck and the Diesel engine.
If you're going to correct someone, at least do it properly.
I don't understand what he said
I think this story goes to show, once again, that steam engines really are incredible machines. Many of them were probably capable of far more than they were actually given credit for.
The biggest debate in railway history
One that will go on till the end of time.
If the city of truro can make it on the same place with same train mass, it's acceptable.
Americans like to say that NYC 999 was the first as well. but their opinion doesn't count.
Which ever engine did it, salute the firemen who managed to keep a fire working in an open cab, windy, rocking and deafeningly noisy footplate.
As a kid I used to have a model of City of Truro, and for that reason alone it was my favourite!
"Speed. I am speed. 1 Winner, infinite losers, i eat losers for breakfast."
Both City Of Truro and Flying Scotsman are beautiful locomotives. Their speeds are very welcome
@@medenicaribovski9089 no. 17 is dogshit
I like how an argument started over a completely different thing than what I said 😒
@@AlecWheelweld what did you say?
Whilst I doubt City of Truro actually got to 100mph I'm glad the claim was made as it got Truro preserved and saved the class from being lost entirely.
I randomly found this channel one day and now I can't stop watching it! Great videos!
Fun fact: Another 4-4-0 in America was the first locomotive in the Untied States (And the world at that time!) known as “NYC & Hudson River #999, or simply Engine 999, who hit 100 MPH and was nicknamed “The Queen of Speed” for being the fastest land vehicle at the time. On May 9th, she hit 102 and at 112.5 MPH on May 10, 1893 between Batavia and Buffalo.
That’s what I thought.
She didn't reached 100 + but at least she's still around
Unfortunately it's not really a fun fact or a fact at all. But she's still around
2:36 He still has no dome though. And we know how we feel about that.
It's just not respectable
Never trust domeless engines.
I do like this channel, you make some entertaining videos.
If you’re open to suggestions on videos to cover, may I suggest the locomotive that was buried in mud in New Zealand that was dug up last year?
(Apparently there’s another one still down there too)
Is that from the Tangiwai disaster? That was where a express train fell off a washed out bridge into a swollen river from a volcano eruption
@@francoismurrell4604 not in this case. I believe that when the locomotives became old, instead of scrapping them they dumped them in river beds to act as makeshift dams
@@Alpha-oo8 that wasn’t the first or last time a locomotive was used as part of a landfill.
@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis it’s still interesting, because they had to dig this one out of several tons of mud
K88 is probably a more suitable example than the recent exhumation of the V's, K88 obviously having been completely restored and in operating condition for a few decades now...
Shame that it never officially set the record. I love the City of Truro...having first seen it in Thomas & Friends.
"Never Trust Domeless Engines, They Are Not Respectable!"
I feel so privileged to have seen City of Truro in steam on the main line shortly before her boiler certificate expired. She is quite literally an antique and a beautiful looking design too. She's currently in the National Railway Museum in York and to be honest that's probably where she'll be staying. There are currently no plans to bring her back to main line condition.
I have heard of that argument, whether City of Truro or The Flying Scottsman was the 1st engine to go 100 mph. So to end the argument, I say this:
Forget the "1st engine in general" how about this:
City of Turo was the 1st GWR engine to go 100mph.
Flying Scotsman was the 1st LNER engine to go 100 mph.
That's it, I don't care who was 1st to reach the speed, but those 2 engines made their companies proud.
The good ending
To be honest, I think what is a lot more useful is the extraordinarily high in service speeds like the broad gauge flying dutchman
I was at the Mid-Hants about 10 years ago the the Truro was there and pulled the train I was on- it was retired shortly after. One of the better looking machines that I've ever seen. I hope it comes back into service someday.
Let me say it that as an American, I can say that there is much talk about Engine 999 exceeding 100 mph before City of Truro. It's quite remarkable that both were a 4-4-0 "American" wheel configuration. I'll admit I have not heard of the electric railcar in Berlin before now but like City of Truro, No. 999 is preserved on static display in Chicago, Illinois.
The problem with both the City of Turo and the 999, is that the precision devices just didn’t exist. While it’s debatable as to whether it was 999, City of Turo, Flying Scotsman, or Mallard, they were/are equally beautiful locomotives!
@@bruceyelen3198 mile posts and a second hand are pretty precise, not scientifically standard precise, but good enough for a curious person!
@@3xfaster the noted timer Charles Rous Martin happened to be on 999's run. He timed it at 84mph, and he was a world renowned railway journalist with many timings under his belt
@@muir8009 dang, 4 mph short needed to time travel 😉
Thanks for that, didn’t know they had railway journalists!
@@3xfaster lol. There was a few genuine enthusiasts around that time. I've got some railway enthiast magazines dating from around that period, and they're full of timings and commentary by these enthusiasts. A bit of a social comment is that they all seem to be of society gentlemen with lordly connections and of independent means (upper class and wealthy basically...). However there was obviously a market for these magazines and books for those who may have well been influential in railway matters...
Whichever did top the big 100 first, at least we can all agree that all three of 'em are still some fine beautiful locomotives doing what they did best back in the day.
... NYC&HR no. 999 being a personal favourite of the three. ^^'
american locomotives dont count lol
@@yeoldeseawitch Hey they said first engine in the "world"
You have re kindled my interest in steam locomotives. Thanks
A Special Visitor had Arrived and was now the Center of Attention..
Gordon: good reddens, chattering all night who is he anyway ?
Thomas: Duck told you He's famous
Gordon: as famous as me
Thomas: hes famouser than you Gordon he went 100mph before you were though of
Gordon: so he say but he has no dome, Never trust domeless engines, the are not respectful, I hate to boast but 100mph would be easy for me.
"Never Trust Domeless Engines They're Not Respectable!" *Huffed Gordon*
It is a really good looking machine. Glad one was preserved.
"He went 100mph before you were thought of!"
For those arguing about which train reached 100 miles an hour first, are you arguing on whether Truro itself on flat and level ground had or can still go faster than The Flying Scotsman? Because I think that The Flying Scotsman would have been the first locomotive to do it on it's own on level ground without the aid of gravity pulling it down a decline. But Truro, with the aid of the additional weight of heavy cargo it would have been carrying, and if it was on a good enough decline, could have been the first train to go 100 mph. It's not to unfathomable to believe, gravity can be a powerful force. Though, while Truro could of been the first train to go 100 miles an hour, it could of technically only reached that speed under the right conditions, so The Flying Scotsman could of been the first train to go 100 miles an hour on it's own without assistance if Truro was the first train to go 100 miles an hour under the right conditions. So that would mean BOTH trains are special to the history of locomotives. One that could of been the first ever to reach 100 mph, doing so first but with assistance from extra weight and gravity, and the other the first to, while not reach 100 mph first, was the first locomotive to reach 100 mph on it's own without a fundamental force of nature.
Now with that settled, can't you all just get along?
no, we can't
Good logic,however seeing people argue is funny
(Gordon thundering down at 100 mph)
Gordon: He did it! I’ll do it! He’d did it! I’ll do it!
"I never boasted, but 100mph is easy to me" -Gordon to Duck
I think Scotsman went 100mph first, but I’m glad that this debate has kept both engines alive
Now that would be a great fan-made Thomas short. Having City of Truro and Flying Scotsman arguing over who set the world record for achieving 100 miles an hour lol.
The City of Turo engine is actually in the book I'm reading for school
I know this comment is 6 months old, but may I ask what book it is/was? @NinjagoLover2011
THE UNLUCKY TUG: does one meme of a violent flying Scotsman/city of Truro speed record argument
American train enthusiast: walks in with a gun "IT WAS ENGINE 999!"
Sim Webb, Casey Jones' fireman, stated in an interview that they regularly reached 100 miles an hour.
Can you do a video on the North Staffordshire railway 4 cylinder 0-6-0t or "D class"? I haven't been able find a lot about it, maybe you'll have better luck.
I use to be skeptical about the City of Truro's record, but now that we know there was someone doing calculations and it wasn't a speedometer, the theory has more merit in my eyes.
The cool thing about 999 is that it’s still here in Chicago and it’s sitting in the museum of science and industry which holds a weather exhibit a Vehicular exhibit including 999 and other cool vehicles and holds the only U boat in the United States and only 3 u boats survive today
If she did go 100MPH it would have been bloody terrifying on the footplate!
Truro will forever be a legend.
He really was breaking the record before Gordon was thought up
This was naturally a _major_ bone of contention between GWR fans and LNER fans (and undoubtedly personnel too).
City of Truro was removed from the York Museum in 1957 and returned to traffic after overhaul at Swindon Works. At that time BR did this with a number of historic engines and they ran special trains around the country. When not engaged in such specials, the engine was used on the now long closed Didcot, Newbury & Southampton railway and it is said, that this was done so the engine could haul trains that were used in large numbers by workers from the former Southern Railway works at Eastleigh near Southampton. This may be urban myth but the Swindon men liked to call the Southern's 4-4-0 class the T9s- built at Eastleigh "Steamrollers" so there was rivalry. BR preserved a T9 and it likewise was used for a few years before it was finally retired but was put back into working order but was retired again quite recently.
So ummm, there is another locomotive that was supposed to go 100 mph. It was an A1 Pacific named Papyrus. It was between City of Truro and Flying Scotsman
No, papyrus ran after flying scotsman, both were test runs, whilst flying scotsman reached 100, papyrus reached 108 making it the fastest OFFICIAL steam locomotive at the time
@@ivangenov6782 took the words right out of my keyboard
@@LMS5935 oh, sorry mate
@@ivangenov6782 it was a compliment from him 😄
@@TheOnlyTYRE oh
There are so many record breaking locomotives you could cover like Flying Scotsman and Mallard.
@@medenicaribovski9089 sources: the voices inside of my head
Let the arguments begin!
No matter what one might say about the City of Truro with respect to speed records, you can’t deny one thing. The engine looks damn *beautiful.* Seriously, it looks… dashing, bold, like a knight on his barded steed, pressing on as if at war with the wind in its face.
No…? Maybe it’s just me thinking so?
It was a big day in the yard.
I remember hearing that after scotsman, the milwaukee road made a steam locomotive that almost the speed record before mallard set it at 126 mph
NYC 999: "Am I a joke to you?" Lol
Both City of Truro and NYC 999 were preserved… can we race them to see who really deserves the title?
You mean have them race each other?
Yea how about no
@@florjanbrudar692 hell yeah brotherrrrr
@@davidantoniocamposbarros7528 why not? as an american, I'd feel very happy if NYC 999 were restored to running order
@@spaguettoltd.7933 At the cost of seeing the entire thing fall apart,not to mention the boatload of money that would be spent to restore a locomotive that has been static for years? Ok seems reasonable
REEEE NEW YORK CENTRAL 999 FIRST 100 MPH LOCO REEEEEEEEEE
So Thomas wasn’t lying
Sounds similar to the Pennsylvania Railroad's 7002 in 1905 with an unofficial record at 127.1mph. The 7002 also had the Pennsylvanian which is the predecessor to the Broadway Limited in tow.
I know NWR1991 did a four parter regarding scottsman & truro's speeding debate (a bit).
And even then City Of Truro may not be the first to 100mph as the Dalkey Atmospheric Railway that operated from 1843 - 1854, had an accident where one of it's cars got decoupled and the pipe engaged which shot a poor unsuspecting passenger (who was all alone) at an average of 85 mph down a 3km track. So it's believed that at an average of 85mph at one point it may have hit the magic 100mph at one point and even if it didn't it's quite a funny story and would mean he was the fastest person ever at the time.
I doubt that
@@widodoakrom3938 what do you doubt?
@@Alex-cw3rz the very first locomotive operated in 1802 with max speed only 5 mph I doubt there's any locomotive capable to reach 100 mph in 19th century
@@widodoakrom3938 that is like saying the first plane went 31mph I doubt they could get to 620mph in the 20th century... You doubt is based on time and not anything logical. Let alone an Atmospheric train does not run anything like a normal train.
I love the City class.
There's something similar to New York Central and Hudson River Railroad No. 999, where it was claimed it was the first 100 mph in 1893. But like the City of Truro, I take the claim with a grain of salt.
I seen that locomotive in season 4 of Thomas the tank engine the city of truro
Sorry, I lost my Train of Thought.
I derailed my mind thinking up a pun
What speed the commentary?
City of Truro Is Most Finest Locomotive Ever Made
Gordon: Good riddance! Him chattering all night long, keeping us important engines awake. Who is he, anyways?
Thomas: Duck told you. He's City-Of-Truro, he's famous.
Gordon: As famous as me? Nonsense!
Duck: Oh, he's much famous-er than you! He went 100mph before you were even drawn or thought of ever.
Gordon: Huh! So he says, but I didn't really like any of his looks. He's gotten no dome! Never trust dome-less engines, they're not respectable. Plus, I never really boast, but I'd say that going 100mph would be pretty easy for me. Goodbye!
"He's Famous. He was the SECOND to go 100 miles an hour."
-Duck, about The Flying Scotsman
Damm those Steam train Looks pog
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Milwaukee Road 6402 deserves at least passing mention, she averaged 89 mph for something like sixty eight miles and 92 mph for over fifty miles between Chicago and Milwaukee in 1934 ( to pave the way for the Hiawatha service ) This was some months before Flying Scotsman's record run. The Milwaukee train didn't have a dynamometer car, but the highest speedometer reading on the locomotive was about 103 mph. I believe the speedometer had a recording tape. The elapsed time for the 85 mile run was about 67 minutes, including some mandatory slow running. The average was faster than a typical run of the Hiawatha, which routinely hit 100 mph or better. For more information, see the 21 April 2017 issue of Steam Railway Magazine
If you compare the valve system that #6042 had with Truro or #999 - then #6402's claims are much more plausible.
There are so many reports from US train crews from various railways that they either hit or exceeded that speed but again they were never official and the companies didnt want to scare their passengers that they were going that fast. And im shre there are many from around the world with similar stories. It truly makes you wonder who truly holds the record for the fastest steam engine in the world. And im not talking about the official holder either.
great video
Never trust an engine without a dome
No matter how many times it's discussed, the debate of who went 100mph will always remain up in the air.
She was always a fast engine and noted for such in her very recent manifestations on the main line. Driver Moses Clements had to slacken speed because some platelayers were tardy in stepping back from the line. With those 6' 8" wheels and heavy at 92 tons one can only imagine the possibility of the driving wheels actually lifting from the rails with each revolution. Also, I believe that a 'Saint' 'Lady of Lynn' ( a 'twenty-niner') might have done the same as a light engine on test 'to see what she could do' when the pole reverser (which was notorious) became stuck and required the efforts of two men to take it out of full gear. This event had to be kept quiet for a long time and I believe the CME was on the footplate as well as an inspector.
The Saint Class taken on this experiment was "Lady Of Lyons"
I don't understand how anyone could NOT know about City of Truro, after all, he is a celebrity.
"A what?", asked Percy.
Great video, superb channel, subbed 👍🏻
Uncertainties in both steam cases with timing method and the distance between the mileposts.
Mileposts being an indicator that could have the position shifted if they were conflcting with signals, drains or other infrastructure.
Recall some engineering calculations of both 4-4-0 types not having enough grate area or heating surfaces to generate the required power needed. Especially 999. Primitive valve gear may have been a factor too.
It's things like Stephenson link motion, and absolutely no exhaust or intake science. People have mentioned 999 had 7' driving wheels. If that's the case the B&E broad gauge tanks would've gone 160mph...
One thing I would like to say is that the place where they timed it to find out the speed at a very steep gradient and there’s no way that that engine would be capable of hitting 100 on flat ground many people have said that and it’s been confirmed by evidence meanwhile the official flying Scotsman run was done on almost flat ground and for a large portion was in fact going uphill.
Mallard was down grade too. It's not unusual for such records to be down grade.
Gods Wonderful Railway. It certainly came very close if it didn't actually do it.
Never underestimate a 4-4-0 steam locomotive.
-percy
I do have the "City of Truro" as a plastic model kit in H0/OO scale (1/87).
Woooooh hoooooooo another video
Wasn't there a A3 that had also said to have exceeded 100mph called Papyrus?
If what I heard is right, it not only went faster than Flying Scotsman but also did it before Scotsman.
However thanks to the great issue of no recording car, it couldn't be official.
Papyrus ran after scotsman with a 108, the fastest ever recorded for an unstreamlined engine, although I rather doubt DR 18201 could really be considered particularly streamlined!
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Ah thank you for the fact check :)
The City Class was on level track not on a incline. I confirmed the City of Truro could indeed do 100mph on level track. The New York Central locomotive was a Hudson which had no running versions at the time when I was inquiring about the truthfulness of the amount, so unfortunately I couldn't test it.
Beautiful.
what about the L&YR class 7?
Just in time for my 20th birthday this year! It was yesterday!
oh yeah, 999 new york central, i read a story about it hitting 100mph, but nobody believed it and it was ever officially recorded
As a Cornishman, I like the City or Truro
Funny in the comments so many mentioning papyrus or 999, or Milwaukee f7's, or PRR e6's ad infinitum...
And yet the Berlin 3 phase railcar record which realistically blitzed everything at that time by a fantastic margin is just a given.
Presumably theres a general acceptance that these stupendous achievements by electricity automatically stand up because of the technology involved
Whilst im not too sure if truo did 102, i recently have gained a soft spot to late victorian and edwardion GWR Locos, Atbaras and Saints especially.
If the American engine had done over 100 mph we would all have known about it. There would have been Hollywood movies about it. Casey Jones would have done a tribute TV episode. The engine would be on a pedestal in a Las Vegas casino "Ol' 999 the most famous steam locomotive in the world"!!!!
Never trust domeless engines
One of the “City Of” class trains was named after the city I was born and raised in, though it was scrapped with the rest of them with the exception of Truro... Gutted.
We call this class "City" class, because there was other classes with the name of. Like Duke or Earl class.
I think city of truo got very close to 100mph but not quite
ive always been told City of T was the first train to 100 .. went to york as a kid , saw the sign ... that said 100 mph ..
Hooray for God's Wonderful Railway!
Why didn’t you mention that #999 was preserved in The Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago?
Was a mention necessary?
@@muir8009 well, the locomotive was mentioned in the video already.
@@844SteamFan sorry, being a little facetious. Just a bit like needing a mention that flying scotsman was preserved: it's so well known it doesn't necessarily beg the question.
At least 999 got preserved upon the same basis as truro: a vague possibility and moreso popular enthusiastic entreaty that either or neither achieved a speed of some significance. That cannot be said of the fate of that wild Kpev 3 phase railcar...
@@muir8009 I guess, but there were some more recent photos of Flying Scotsman and not 999, so I think it would have been nice.
@@844SteamFan fair call: it would've been nice to see 999 as today, and thinking about it: they should be celebrated: doesn't matter if accurate speed or anything: these were the fastest things on the planet at the time, and not at the exclusive use of millionaires. Agreed: would've been nice for a confirmation of 999's preservation