playing with boogers as long as it has "Mesa" in front of it, which clearly is a sign of bias. the 6262 Infimum is a pretty close match up of the peavey 5150 block letter and of the more recent 6505s, not totally the same, but it is also about a grand less off the shelf for a new 6505 III+. now i can't speak for the 2x12 combo version (maybe why they don't make them anymore? hmmmmm, speakers making an amp and all) but my infinuim 6262 head into a 4x12 Marshall 1960 or even better into my Harley Benton G212V with Celestion V30's *drool* is s friggin' beast of a high gain amp and in my opinion sounds as good or better in some instances than the recent offerings from marshall, blackstar, laney, etc. this point goes even further with anyone else in the same zip code on price alone.
Behringer made a lot of improvements on the Infinium series amps. I was referring to the first generation more than anything else in this video. Those first gen Bugera amps were GARBAGE.
There was some very good sounding crate heads. Back around 1987 don't remember what model numbers but I remember seeing a head or two in more than one studio. LMFAO
those crate solid state practice amps are good for one thing and one thing only. Drenching them in gasoline and watching them burn. Some of the Crate tube amps, however, surprisingly hold up.
I have a 1978 Crate CR-1 without distortion or reverb and I need to make some repairs to fix the signal path. 20 watts with a line out and a single channel 20watts, sounds decent just needs some restoration work
Say what you want about Kustom amps, but many Motown artists, Creedence Clearwater Revival, The Jackson 5, Johnny Cash, Carl Perkins, and Roy Clark would disagree. In the 60s, Kustom was one of the better quality makers around. Maybe they just didn't age so well?
@@johnlawrence7403 the coupe deville reissue in like 02 or 03 , somewhere in that decade they came back out with the 2 12 coupe deville tuber and shit , I freaking adore mine
The old Kustom amp company is gone. The name is sold to someone else and the amp line really has no links to the originals. That said, the modern Kustom coupe tube amp amp sounds great.
practice amps do not suck if you're a beginner you don't need a massive amp. it makes more sense to have a small one that you can bring around with you
Careful now, I play Kustom, they make great distorted amps. Admittedly I've had mine refurbed and installed a new speaker but it's still a beast of an amp with spring reverb built in.
Even some of these amps he doesn't like, he still has some positive feedback. Great tone but a gap in frequency, nice tones but reliability in the jacks etc. Good review techniques, honest and accurate.
The ID Core is exactly the amp you say you're going to exclude from your list. I have an ID Core and as a bedroom/practice amp, it's great. Also have a 50W Line6 Spider II, and you're 100% correct. The clean channels boosted with a TS9 Tube Screamer can produce an OK sound, the distortion channels are brittle and unusable.
The trick to the Spider II was using the footboard with it. The presets were pretty useless, but if you knew how the amp worked (not intuitive) you could dial in useful sounds. The issue then is that you can't really utilize that without the footboard. But there were several hidden features that Line 6 just didn't make people aware of, I guess they didn't need to since the amp sold so well anyway. But I loved the thing, I had a full stack version and a practice amp, just last year I went out and picked up another practice amp at pawn just because everything that I've bought as an "upgrade" in the 15+ years since my Spider II era just never satisfied as much. I think most people just had no idea how to dial in a tone on them, and they were super touchy.
Agree with this; the Spider II is a great first amp as with any modeling/emulating amps from this era you can usually pick one up for about $60 shipped which gives a new player a good taste for different effects.
I absolutely agree with you...the pedalboard made all the difference! Tuning,volume control,wah-wah and the ability to hold 4 usable sounds. It took a while to dial those usable sounds in!
Im in Australia And this piece of sh... turned me off playing it disillusioned me from finding an amp that had a great tone ..... the music store which was the only one for a good distance around looking back was full of clueless salemans and the amps that were tube i'm positive were horrible sounding as they must of hadtheir tubes woren to the bone . But i digress the line 6 spider as are most non valve amps ...bad but i was sold on the line 6 beautiful design and exterior the great knobs and i guess the great name spider ..and that i never owned an amp before . terrible amp
I can only assume that you had burst ear drums from it, because I can assure you that to everybody else it sounded dogshit. Have you seen "Mars Attacks"? I would only use one as a boat anchor
I almost bought wiggy when I saw it in a pawn shop. Just as a piece of furniture. Bought a kemper rack head and ooh man am I ever happy. Edit: I have boogie and fender tube amps as well. And some Kemper profiles blow them away especially for recording.
I don’t agree with that. I love digital delay and digital reverb. The Boss DD-7 is my all-time favorite delay pedal. (No, I have not yet tried the new DD-8.) Analog has its place, but so does digital.
I haven’t played that particular model, but all of the Bugera stuff seems to have improved significantly since their initial run. That first run of Bugera amps were terrible. That entire line was notorious for blowing up for no reason. They seemed to have fixed that problem, though.
They caught on fire due to a plastic clip in the non-infinium models located too close to the power tubes and melting and catching fire. They didn't actually blow up. That is bullshit
The Blackstar ID Core series may be blah, but the original ID:TVP series sounds phenomenal.. I've had pro players come up to me in shock that it was a "modelling" amp (which it's not really - it's modelling power tube types, not specific amps). They've just released the Silverline series which is supposed to be an upgrade to the ID:TVP, but I'm not going to run out and get one just yet as my ID:260 TVP can compete all day long.
@@scampthelazycat9891 the guitar and instruments were actually well played and composed, the song itself was rather strange and “used car lot commercial” esque I’ll admit lol
So as an adult beginner looking to plan metal and jam in my basement so not wanting a little beginner pos but want something I could eventually hook a stack up to what would you recommend ?
Take a look at the Randall RD20H. GREAT clean channel as well as plenty of rock and metal tones to be had. Also, the PRS MT-15 is KILLER, and the new EVH LBX Stealth that was JUST released is already getting great reviews.
I had a Laney AOR head and loved it. But I run EQ and pedals separately so I would have never used that push pull feature. He's right. Excellent tones. But I needed the LP I traded for it more at the time. It was the white Laney Pro AR 100.
The ID Core is a great amp! The stereo speakers make the effects sound huge! The models are decent and it is a great practice amp at 99 bucks. Probably the best at that price infact.
He said ID series but I think he was referring to the core line. I've never played one so I cant say how they sound, but the ID TVP series solid state amps sound very good. It doesn't have tube feel, but the tube modeling concept is very cool. It does give you an introduction into how different tube produce headroom. And I get great tone out of it. Not a tube amp but for the money the TVP's are great solid state amps imo.
i have an id core that i picked up on the secondary market so i can play in my apartment. i thought it would be worse, but its ok with headphones on. that said, i replaced it with a UA Ox Box. lol! one extreme to another.
Makes a great DI to Pro Tools to. Sounds kinda like Marshall after a few adjustments. if you layer the tracks its pretty beefy to the average listener as well.
Have to put a kind word in for Bugera. Their quality has vastly improved in the last ten years. I own the V-22, the dreaded blue light model. I’ve had it for ten years and no issues. It has a beautiful lush clean tone and is a very good base tone for pedals. Add a Wampler and you get the best Marshall sound outside of a plexi. I also own a Bugera 5W and I play it as much as I do my Fender ‘57 Champ reissue. Best tube practice amp for the money, IMHO. YMMV, but Bugera does not deserve a lot of the hate sent its way.
Traded in the 200 watt Black Star half stack for a Bulgera xxl combo 2 x12 tube 100 watt after playing it for almost an hour. Not only is it easy to dial in it fits in the car and keeps up with the big boys. Thats was 2014 havnt budged either since. I bought used at GC $330 USD now a days $450 and up easily.
ah the awesome Spider II..... i used to love mine and thought it sounded awesome... but i also couldn't play so didn't realise just how awful it really was.... Couldn't bring myself to sell it and make someone else suffer through that pain... still sat in my garage unused... probably pushing 10+years now... might turn it into a table.... it might look cool then
That was my first amp... I turned everything up to 10 on the insane channel. I thought I sounded like Zack Wylde...I actually sounded like a dying cat.
JOE DIRT I wish someone was honest with me when I bought the damn thing I’d have skipped straight over it and gone for the peavey they also had, although was more expensive
HA----I SUCK LONG STORY WHY BUT I WAITED A LONG TIME TO BUY A TC-50 COMBO (BY MESA BOOGIE)AT MY AGE NOW IT WILL BE THE LAST AMP I WILL EVER BUY. THANKS FOR THE LAUGH ALSO HAVE A GOOD WEEK.
ALL that John Fogerty/ Creedence stuff was brought to you by the boys in ''Chanute Kansas'' I really like my Kustom, and its 3-12 cab. A lot of them suffered from (as almost all amps) Electrolytic Capacitor failures . Replace those, clean your pots and plug it into a slab of mahogany with p-90's and your ready to ramble tamble to green river as your friends hear it through the grapevine.
The feeling I get is that they probably supplied backlines to bands for next to nothing back in the 70s, as I've seen some pretty big bands using them in the videos from that era. I didn't think their tone was that bad either..
I saw Fogerty live several years ago and he was playing a PRS through a JCM 900. I've seen him playing live in a lot of videos and he uses a lot of different gear. I may be wrong, but I don't ever recall him using Fender guitars. Amps yes, but not guitars. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Hello how are you. I am an electronics repairman and I repair old tube amps. Which tube amps are not very good in sound? I don't play guitar very well. I wish I could play as well as I can build or modify one. I have an old Epiphone galaxy 10 that had a burned out power transformer that a friend gave me and I fixed it. It would make a good sounding blues amp but the overdrive gain sounds muddy and a fender champ would blow it away on distortion. I'm thinking of putting a fender champ circuit in it
I Have played a 70's kustom twin that kicked ass(sounded like a early twin reverb to me) I thought i was the only one who realized how good these amps are but then i heard Phil Mcknight talk highly of the early 70's models when he went to germany and over there the early kustoms are sought after and go for heavy cash..
we have a speaker cab circa 68..we owned it 40 years now got it used,, still works and sounds great we used it for guitar ,,bass,,keys,,even as a sub one night when we blew our 18 we plugged it right in that spot and went right back on the 2/15s did a better job and no issues.. my husband used one of them amps for years to no issues good sound
This guy isn't old enough to have sold Kustom amps when they were owned by Bob Ross. Reliability was their forte. A lot of front line acts used Kustom equipment. This guy was selling the chinese made Kustoms.
to add to this some small little guitar band from cali, Creedence Clearwater Revival, notoriously used kustom tuck and roll amplifiers..........and they don't sound half bad.
Great series! I laughed when I saw the Kustom amps. My cousin in Alabama was a great player and had a series of Kustoms he played his Gretsch through. The tuck-and-roll was great for throwing in his car because it wouldn't scuff up his interior. I bought a 1969 Fender Pro Reverb in 1995 and thought I had overpaid at $725. What a nice sound. Not exactly "portable." Wish I had bought more equipment when I was younger. Time flies. Enjoy it while it lasts...
When I worked retail in the 80's we had the Jackson/Charvel line and Jackson made a red stack amp that was the worst semi-expensive amp I ever heard and still decades later holds true . It sounded like dead power tubes when they were new , all middle , the bass and treble were useless . I know they belong on that list .
Today, for the price of a months worth of Starbucks coffee, I bought a used Line 6 AX2 212 TubeTone Amp for USD $120, which included the Line 6 Pedalboard, and a DIY hardback binder of the manual, and other printout reference sheets. The Amp itself has like three of four small blemishes on the grill cloth, but the rest of the amp is in pristine condition, and after a few hours with it, works perfectly. I've gone through many many amps, and still have quite a handful of amps and I have to say, this old amp which was made in 1998 or so, sounds better than even my newer modelling amps, and darn near as loud as my all tube Marshall 40 watt combo. A gem of a find. and i have always wanted this amp, too. The amazing thing is, that I did own a Line 6 catalyst, and this 26 year old amp STILL sounds better than some of their newer stuff.
Kustom amps weren't actually under-powered - they were over-named! Kustom named their amps based on the peak power, as Peavey also did early on. So a Kustom 200 was basically a 100w RMS machine. Once you understood that marketing BS, the Kustoms gave every inch of that RMS power, and reliably, IMO. Don't hate 'em just because they had a stupid naming system, looked funky and dated (even back then), and had limited tone capabilities! :)
Good list but the Kustom Tuck & Roll sure served Fogerty well. It also gave him a more unique tone than using a Marshall, Vox or Fender. Btw, I saw him live in New Orleans about 20 years ago and he still had his old Kustom half stack front & center and it sounded awesome. Bottom line, I don't think anyone has ever turned off a Creedence song because they thought the guitar tone sucked. But I do agree that most players wouldn't like the Kustom. Cheers & Rock On!
Amen! Listen to CCR live, John’s Kustom amps clearly cut it! I have several SS Kustoms, some I bought in the ‘70’s and they work fine. Vox Conqueror amp? Show me a photo of CCR using a Vox amp.
I believe Tony Iommi used a Laney as well (might be why Sleep got into them, knowing their general appreciation for Black Sabbath). The bass control probably wasn't much of a problem for Iommi with his use of a treble booster.
@@drpibisback7680 I remember reading somewhere that he turned his mids and treble all the way up and the bass all the day down on the amp, on top of using the treble booster. Them old Laneys sounded darkkkk
I'm totally crushed now. I'm 56 and my whole life has been spent trying to find a Kustom Bass stack!!! 1. for the collectibly, 2. It's so cool, 3. they were bad ass, 4. so retro, 5.classic styling, 6. great tone, 7. total punch, 8.tons of raw power. Now you got me thinking i'm heading down the wrong path.....
Don’t second guess yourself just because I don’t like them. If you dig them, get one! Although, I don’t know how collectible they really are. They’re not really very expensive at all on the vintage market.
Your not. They are great amps…I have both a 69 and 70 heads and 2 speaker 15” cab and it still sounds great. Bought when I was about 15 and yes they take pedals well….and true not for medal….Not a problem because I’ve never cared for that music. And I love the look of that black tuck n roll….,
Robert, what if I bypass the pre amp on the marshall ma50? They go 300 bucks. Would be worth it just for a tube power amp? Plug straight into the return
Why would you buy an all-tube amp just to bypass the preamp section? Seems a little redundant. Look for a used Peavey 60/60 instead. They’re even a little less one the used market if you can track one down.
@@RobertWJackson I am a multi effect guy. I already do it with my solid state amp. Wondering if a tube power amp would improve the sound comparing to a solid state. I use the jcm800 on my multi effect wondering if a valve power amp with el34 would sound closer to the real jcm800. I Love the videos btw Great content
You're the first person I've ever heard say that Kustom amps were poorly made. A lot of people hated the sound of them, but the general consensus seems to be that they were one of the best made amps from the 60's. Search for Uncle Doug's video on his. (He's an amp repairman.)
There’s probably some truth to what he’s saying, but when I was still working on the retail side, I lost count of how many Kustom Tuck ‘N Roll amps I saw come through that had something wrong with them.
I have agree with the video somewhat. First, I love the Kustoms but I’m an older guy that came up in the 70’s and they were a big thing in Florida where I am from. They were a big thing on the East Coast also. I don’t think they were made with quality materials because there are many that do need repairs and if you get into one, they seem to have a lot of the same issues. Nowadays they have the same issues as the older tube amps, bad capacitors, those have to be changed first. But then, bad solder joints are really prevalent throughout. Some of the problems are also early types of solid state electronics that over the years have also gone bad. In addition the Tuck and Roll, which I fell in love with when I first saw it, doesn’t take the abuse that tolex does and they have gotten pretty beaten up. But, I still love them and will buy and fix all I can find but some folks want a fortune for them on eBay.
My first guitar amp was a “Gorilla”. I don’t know the model, but it was a little white 15watt combo with a blown out speaker I bought it off a kid at school for $30. I swapped out the speaker myself for a cheapo car speaker from an electronics shop and boy, did that amp crank! It sounded very cheap, but for the size and cost it certainly didn’t sound bad.
I own 3 Bugera amps. A 45W vintage head. A T50 Infinium, and a V22 Infinium, along with 2x10 bass enclosure. I can afford just about any amp if I wanted to spend the money. I played many amps before buying these, and nothing gave be the sound I was looking for, and the new Infinium technology is the best feature I have seen in and amp. Mix and match tubes if desired, and self biasing. I get more compliments on my sound. More so than our other guitarists very exspensive Messa. He has even borrowed my V22 Infinium, and loved it. He is planning one in the future. Play one, and put aside and amp snobbery, and you will be pleasantly surprised. The V22 is supposed to sound similar to the Vox A 130.
Thanks for the info. I am looking to buy an amp, mostly for louder music with dirty distortion. I am looking at a Bugera T50 head with 2x12 TS cabinet, or a Buger v55 infinium (head only). Any thoughts on these? This guy says the 6262 is trash, but I also see a 6260 combo for sale in my area. Worth a try, do you know? Cheers
The Bugera 1960 Infinium is a really great sounding amp head. I was VERY reluctant to buy it because I have had several bad experiences with Behringer over the last couple of decades, but that amp is incredible for $400. Plug in a strat, select neck pickup, and you have THAT sound. Does it sound exactly like a Plexi? I doubt it, especially considering that not all vintage Marshall Plexis sound alike to begin with, but it sounds damned good for $400. Of course I am running through a proper British Marshall 4X12 though, I wouldn't touch those Bugera cabinets with a ten foot pole. Don't let a bad experience with a first generation Bugera keep you from this monster.
I actually think Bugera pulled their heads out of their asses with the updated Infinium stuff. I have no problem with Bugera whatsoever. (I made fun of their name in the video strictly as a joke. LOL) But That first generation of their amps SUCKED.
I've got a Booger V22 and V5 Infinium, the lead channel on the V22 is not great but the clean is a good pedal platform. I love them, never had any issues with either.
You're just experiencing the Behringer R&D philosophy: wire some random wires together, put it in a box and see what people think. Then go to version 2 and knock it out of the park. I remember the UNFATHOMABLY awful 300W bass head they first came out with, my university were suckered into buying one for the music room and literally every bass player brought their own amps to practice there xD The octave pedal made for a good standup comedy routine though. EDIT: Almost forgot the Orange Micro and Micro Terror, which are almost as good as the Joyos, only reason I don't rate them so highly is the awkward scoop knob rather than a real tone knob, and the lack of cab simulated headphone output (Orange has unusable headphone outs)
TheChamp I’ve got the V55 older non infinium version. I love the thing. Such great dimension to the clean sound it’s really nice. I wouldn’t trust it gigging or traveling But it sits in my little studio and sounds really great. Never had a problem with it and I bought it used.
I got a free 4-12 cabinet.it seems built ok.dont know what the speakers are in it but my Hartke piggyback was louder which shocked me.i got an acoustic head which I fixed and its ok.im considering putting some new speakers in the Raven cabinet.cant beat it for free
Atomic Apocalypse i prefer the id (not core) 150 head. Returned my id core 2×10 which I believe was 100 Watts. Found a Diezel 4X12 for 700 do that otobably helped the tone alot lol
i have the idcore 10 and with the insider software you can make it sound good, my main amp is a TVP260 but i use the iD10 for pratice as its wayyyy lighter.
I disagree with your assessment of the tuck and roll original Kustom amps. I was there when they came out and our band used the PA system and the huge Bass amp. Never had a minutes trouble with them and they sounded fine and had plenty of power. Then again, we weren't Distortion Freaks back then. I have a K50 from 1970 and I love it. For Jazz and Pop, they are fine amps. For Chainsaw Music, not so much.
Yeah I think you got it right - they weren't distortion freaks back then. Depends what you want from the amp. Creedence used them exclusively on stage - just a good down to earth 100w amp. Each amp has several 'sounds' each different from competitors or they wouldn't sell. I like the sound and found them pretty good - just not as popular as some others. Solid state - pretty good for the day.
I used them with a classic metal soundtank and when I played out I had people coming up to me raving about my sound saying my sound was way better than the other band who had Boogie Tri Rec amps.
I have a great collection of solid state amps that people say suck. I can match tones of some of the greats without a single tube. You would be surprised on clean tones as well. You just have to learn to use solid state.
Used a Tuck and Roll in the 80s for a solid year of weekend gigs. Never an issue, loud as needed, sounded great clean/with pedals. Amp is still alive and well. Never an issue, aside from the reverb tank. Made in the late 60s. Never used the reverb anyway. Have a Kustom Coupe as well. Designed by the guy who helped design the 5150 amp.
Frater Simon Any of the Kustoms. Traynors, sunn,Hell even kasino bass heads are great for stoner rock. Try bass heads for your stoner rock sound. Dive into old solid state. I even have the zz top legend.
So, the problem with line 6 is the high gain sound, but what If i put a distortion pedal in my line 6 spider, can i get a good crunchy sound and the other effects?? Or it still suck???
Never played through an amp that I didn't like...except for those damned Ravens! They were the most God awful nasty sounding pieces of crap ever, thank the guitar gods that I never had to gig with one! I had the misfortune to use one of the halfstacks at my brother's gf's house though (he told me that he had a "great amp" there for me to jam on...shoulda known better) and after about 10 minutes of trying my damndest to get a sound out of it that didnt completely offend my sensibilities, came to these conclusions: the gain sucked horrible, the clean tone sucked just as bad, the digital reverb was AWFUL, the EQ sucked to the point of being unusable, the built in effects REALLY sucked, and the cabinets/speakers sucked on a level I never thought possible at any price point...this amp's overall "tone" was reminiscent of what it would sound like if you were to play a poorly EQ'd recording of thousands of fingernails scraping across a blackboard, through a 70s era Soviet television with a blown speaker then reamplified through an abnormally shrill sounding bullhorn at full volume, inside an empty dumpster...just not as aurally pleasing! But it did have one redeeming feature. When I turned it off, it stopped making that gut wrenching, soul sucking, horrifically nasal noise...that was good!
Hey, Credence Clearwater and the Revivals used (or at least appeared on TV with) Kustom tuck 'n' roll amps. Mine had dual JBL D130 15" speakers in it, the absurd efficiency of which made it LOUD. One night we played a club that had a very narrow stage with a riser that went all along the back so that the drummer went in the middle of the riser and our amps went on either side of the drummer. This had the effect of placing my amp right at ear-level for me. "Dear God!" I thought, "is this what I've been doing to the poor bastards in the front row all this time?" Bad amps, bad music, bad food, sleeping in the van . . . those were the days.
My all tube Kustom 36 Coupe 2X10 Black Roll and Tuck has served me well for years at small venues. The clean tone is magnificent and the gain is killer. Reverb is deep and rich. Eminence speakers sound great and lots of head room for a combo. I realize you were talking more about the older Kustoms, but I'm here to tell ya, they impressed me with this baby. I just wished you could have mentioned the 36 Coupe 2X10 or 12". Maybe even the 72 Coupe 2X12 combo. Anyway thx.
Want to share a story. I've been hitting the stage for almost 40 years. I am a seasoned pro. I have owned some of the BEST amps ever made. Back in 2017, my amp blew a transformer. I was told, "it will cost more to fix it than it is worth." I did not have 1200 to 2000 bucks to spend on a new amp. So i go to GC with 150.00. Had to get something cheap to GET ME BY for a few months. Over a year later, I'm STILL using that amp! 😆 last gig was the Viper Room in Hollywood on 5/3/18. When we finished, 4 other guitar players DEMANDED to know what model of Marshall i was using. When i told them it was the MC100HCFX, their jaws hit the floor and simultaneously they yelled NOOOO!!!! A SOLID STATE?!!! You're not supposed get THAT kind of TONE from a solid state!!! I was quick to agree! But ya know what? If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Best 140.00 i ever spent 😆😆😆😆😆 still can't believe it 😆😆😆😆sometimes we think we've got it ALL figured out..... Then LIFE smacks us in the face and says, "SHUT UP ASSHOLE" !!!!!!😆😆😆😆😆
Robert's Guitar Dungeon oh ok 😆😆 it looks like an actual guitar shop! Impressive most impressive 😁😁👍👍 wish my house looked like that 😆😆 have a great day 😎
Robert's Guitar Dungeon I’m glad you of all people corrected me. Keep up the good content man! Been watching you for a good year now, love these top 10 style videos
I have had 5-6 different amp over the years (Peavey, Crate), now I own a Blackstar. I find the Blackstar sounds pretty decent - so not sure why you disliked that one so much. Maybe with a super small speaker, they (like the ID Core 10), they don't sound great ? I have the ID Core 40.
Exactly. Of course it sounded bad, it was just a practice amp. ID did a great job emulating tubes, but not for me purely because of no send return ports so not good for personal pedals, everything is on their proprietory footswitch and software.
One time in the late 60's I played a gig using Kustom Amps because a store donated them for us to use and buy you are correct these are the worst amps I have ever heard or played thru !!! Garbage Amps
I'm really impressed that Robert does know the nuances. I owned a Laney AOR series and got rid of it for the very reason Robert stated. When the bass knob was pulled out, the bass was so loud, it startled people who yelled "turn it down", when I pushed bass knob in, then I couldn't get enough bass vol. Robert knows his stuff about amps and I have ALOT of them. Very impressed with his knowledge.
I’m no guru, but my guess is that a tech could substitute in a different value resistor (? and/or capacitor) to change the bass response. Yes, a modification (like our host said) but not a biggie. If the rest of the amp is ok, this might be an easy path to a cheap, good amp.
@@RobertWJackson Thanks. Just getting back into playing, and in my search for a used amp, cam across one for sale locally. Price and condition seemed good, but don't want to buy anything that's gonna make me not want to play.
Don’t take my word for it, you may like it. Definitely go try it out yourself, if you can. However, in my opinion, you can probably get a better sounding amp for the same price point.
So I will venture to guess this will happen one day. A young man or woman is going to write a hit song with awesome licks and a tone that is all their own. Every guitar player will be wanting to mimic this crazy sound and find it will be one of these amps. All the guitar and amp industry reviewers and writers will ask he or she, How did you get that crazy sound? How did you get your unique and awesome tone? Answer: I was a broke ass kid living in the basement of my parents home. I didn't want an X-Box I wanted an amp and this is what my parents brought home. Now everyone is flocking to E-bay to purchase these crap amps and are paying exorbitant prices willingly. All in the quest to get shit tone. Moral of the story. No tone or sound is shit if it is your own and you write a song that is so damn good everyone wants to hear it.
Agree 100%. I have been refusing to watch this video for awhile but it keeps showing up in my feed. I think the presenter should stick his opinions up his ass and let the individual players decide what tone they do or don't like.
I actually agree with your assessments. At same time when I see a review such as yours I remember the reviews on the Sears Silvertone guitars from back in the day. Then a young man named Jack White shows up and blows away the music industry with a guitar everyone labeled as crap. That is why I love music so much, an original artist can take something no one likes and make it their own. How many SG's would have Gibson sold if Toni Iommi or Angus Young didn't use them? This is also why the music industry is suffering right now. Record companies now just hire a team of writers pick and choose an artist based off of looks and perception, auto tune the heck out of it and pass it off as music.
I actually agree with most of your comments as well. It’s the other dude who replied to your comment that said I should “shove my opinions up my ass” that I have a problem with. My last comment was directed at that clown.
'... No tone or sound is shit if it is your own and you write a song that is so damn good everyone wants to hear it...' Fair enough - but who has done that? Who has had a hit with a terrible sound everyone wants to hear? I can't recall any. Think of any great guitarist and they ALL have a great tone. The only one I can think of I really don't like too much - and it's purely a personal thing as I don't like too much mid range - is Carlos Santana's but there's nothing 'terrible' about it.
@@DoktrDub My old crate did that too! all i did was open it up and the lil leads that touch the end of the guitar cable will get loose after thousands and thousands of times of plugging them in and out, you just have to bend the leads back a bit so they make a better connection with the cables end. And make sure to tighten the hell out of the port so it doesnt come loose.. If that doesnt work then just replace the input jack. Too bad mine blew up cuz it got overheated after a long time of full blast signal one night.
i was surprised the valvestate wasn't on here. As much as i love death that amp is the most harsh and scooped amp I've ever heard. There's nothing more shrill and artificial sounding.
For a few years in the 90s about half the rock & metal guitarists I knew got Valvestates because it was the only "real" Marshall they could afford. Every one of them sounded like utter garbage no matter what they ran through it. This means of course that any day now a new generation of hipster dipsticks will suddenly decide that "tone" they had is "classic" and they'll become hugely popular and highly sought-after. So if you have one collecting dust in your basement, just hang onto it for a while and maybe it will be worth something again one day. ;)
I have the 265 Valvestate Marshall and it sounds killer, but when I bought it used, somebody had switched out the origin Marshall Gold speakers, and put in quality 'warehouse 12et 65 watt speakers'..and sounds better than Marshall JCM900 AMPS....my buddy did a comparison with his and realized the Valvestates are sleeper Marshall amps, with the right speakers in them. Plus if you turn up the loop knob control, you get all that 12ax7 preamp tube tone... I think you guys don't know how to work amps
I will agree with you. I have a friend that owns 2 of them. I played through one when we had our last jam session, and I couldn't get a decent sound out of it
@@Caged63Man aha a vs that sounds better than a jcm ? I Hope you're joking or trolling. Valvestate amps make an horrible white noise when you crank up the volume (when they work properly, which is rare), you only hear the mids, no bass, no trebble..
Acoustic amps all sound the same. They’re LITERALLY combo amp versions of PA systems. They’re all EQ’ed very flat in order to preserve the natural tone of the instrument that’s being played through it.
But you just described the problem with the AOR: the EQ sucks ASS. Even you don’t use it without an external device of some kind to unfuck that amp’s major flaw. Why not use an amp that doesn’t NEED a crutch?
Not for me. Sounds like a colossal-sized waste of time and money when I could just buy an amp that I actually LIKE the sound of, but you do what you gotta do.
ArielsSmartyPants Not that I give this guy any credit as an authority on what sucks and what doesn’t suck, he didn’t criticize Line6, he only criticized the Line6 Spider2. I had a Spider3 75watt practice amp, sounded pretty good but the motherboard fried after only a year or so and rendered my $300 lost forever, shoulda bought the warranty. Total loss. However, my Line6 4x12 half stack is awesome, great tone, running strong after 4 yrs, i would put it up against a Marshall any day.
Fredrik Svärd do you mind if I ask.. what do you dislike about Marshalls? I had to have my JCM 900 modified for more gain but have had it for years and love it.
@@realtruenorth 70's 50 watt Marshall head is hard to beat. The VS 100 head is underrated and surprisingly great, and can be bought used for very cheap
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I've got the Line 6 Spider II head. It depends how you set it up, but you can get some good sounds out of it (if you can figure out how to do it). So it must have been a poor speaker in the Combo.
It works just fine for starting out, especially if YOU enjoy it. Don’t let anybody tell you otherwise, not even me. LOL However, if you’re thinking about upgrading, don’t be afraid to take a trip down to your local shop and try out some other amps just to see what you might be missing out on. Nothing inspires you to learn more than using gear that you enjoy the sound of!
I had a long winded and tactful response pertaining to how you may be wrong about the Wiggy, Kustoms and the Laney amps... But you seem a bit biased, which is fine because this is your channel, not mine. BTW I 100% agree and applaud you for the Marshall you added to the list.
I have a Kustom 250-4 that I use as my one and only bass amp along with an Ampeg SVT 15" cab. The tone circuit is precisely similar to Fender and a lot of people have borrowed it from me, all of whom offered to buy it.
I like the AOR Laneys! I'm a single coil guy so the big bass is good for me, singles stay clear with more bottom. I also think the Bogner Alchemist sounds amazing, they remind me of the Steve Via Carvin Legacys. The first ones might have had reliability issues but they fixed that. The 2x12 is a great sounding amp with one of the best clean channels on a channel switching amp. I had a Line6 spider and I agree it sucked, the MA Marshall does too. I agree with most of his list, I've never owned one but playing through them those "Booger-a" :-) amps seem to have improved a lot although I wouldn't buy the 6262, maybe a V55 or 1960 head if it was a good price. I actually have thought about picking up a Bugera 1960 for a modding platform if 1 it was a later infinium model and 2 it was a really cheap price.
I sold my AOR for a Traynor YBA-1. I miss my 50 watter in a sense because it’s such a unique tone. I could totally see this being a amp for single could. It played nice with my P90s.
For the Bugera 6262 did you try the head or the combo version. I remember years ago I tried the combo version and it was literally one of the worst amps I’ve ever heard in my life. A few months back I tried the head version of the 6262 through a cab equipped with vintage 30’s and it sounded so great I ended up buying it. Not sure if they made some tweaks over the years or if it was just the stock speakers.(which any speakers made by Behringer are notoriously awful)
I have a Line 6 Spider Jam amp. I bought it after a friend of mine demonstrated all the backing tracks it came loaded with and the recording capabilities it has. It's fun to fool around with and practice with, and I have used it at a few like small gigs where room was a problem, (like coffee shop setting) so I could also use it as a PA, but I always just used the clean channel with my guitar because the modeling or effects don't sound that great. So, anyway my point is--yes the Spider amps are good but a lot of the effects/modeling stuff are not that good--fun for practice in MHO, but kind of sucky for dialing in that tone you might be looking for.
I kinda disagree for the ID Core. I have an ID Core 40 and it is a great practice amp, both clean and distorted. The tones are excellent. I use it as a practice amp but it's good for a small setting.
The new id core amp i bought before i bought a katana was the worst sounding practice amp ive ever played....worse than those squier strat pack amps....it was awful....soundex like a transistor radio and the effects sounded awful....but to each their own....i didnt expect it to sound as good as my orange rocker or my tweed but ffs it was bad.....
I was thinking the same thing. I remember playing one of those at the store and having my mind blown from how good the metal tones sounded. I didn’t buy it but I remember wanting it ever since 2018
I had a late 60s black tuck and roll Kustom 100 bass amp with a 2x12 matching cab. I bought 3rd hand in 1978 to use as my first real guitar amp. Although I was too young to realize it then, looking back, I now know that it sounded horrible with my cheapo Les Paul copy plugged into it. With that said though, It was in “like new” condition. Well, around 82-83 I sold it. Then the guy I sold it to sold it. Fast forward to about 2007 when because of the sentimentality if it, i actually bought it back! Amazingly, it was still in near new condition.. What I discovered however, was how great it sounds with a bass. I think it sounds so full and warm. I mean, it’s not super loud, but it’s perfect for lower volume band scenarios. I was happy to get it back but I won’t be plugging a guitar into it. Yes it’s still in great condition. Works like a dream.
So the trick with my particular Laney AOR 50 series 1, an 8 knob in specific, is to pull out either the treble or mod pot and dial in presence medium to high. Through an orange cab, it seems to bring it to life.
I’ve got a Marshall Valvestate 8100 and I love it for metal! The cleans are pretty decent on it only obstacle with this amp I find is the boost/high gain channel has a tendency to sound like a swamp in the distance or sounding overly contoured, it’s my first stack so I’m enjoying it. I look forward to getting a better amp and cabinet.
I remember years ago having a Marshall MG 102 solid state. It was my first "Proper amp" it was a 100w solid state 2x12 combo and it was an absolute peice of shit on the dirty channel. Cost me nearly £400 which is alot of money when you're about 16-17 and I saved for ages. It was only good for the clean channel and it hated pedals. I don't know what the newer ones are like but it was absolute pure junk. It would just randomly stop outputting sound and you had to reset the amp which was apparently a common problem. The fan keeping it cool would stop randomly and the god awful distortion was a noisey mess. Don't even get me started on the speakers.
i agreed with all but the kustom...i guess the reissues are not like the old ones..we had a 1968 kustom head and 2/15 guitar bottom...we used the bottom cab for bass and guitar it was great for either the amp sounded great it was on the road with us over 22 years and took a beating 3 nights a week..it got ripped off we still had the bottom cab last 10 years of owning it we let bass players use it over 30 years of beating with us and we got it used and it never even blew a speaker...worked great and passed in on to our grandson....
second kustom comment....we have an 18 watt tube type kustom with a little 8in speaker the speaker sucks.the cost 149.99 brand knew..but when we run it in a 2/12 bottom it sounds great plenty loud enough to play gigs in smaller bars works great for everything from country to hard rock it almost can do metal with no gain boxes falls just short of that...but really sounds good for classic rock and hendrixy blues ccr type music we have had it 3 or 4 years no issues ..kind of weird it dont power down instantly when you flip the switch it sort of bleeds out...but that is the only thing weird about it that tiny little amp is great...they have a 15 watt amp and head out called a defender i think ours is called a contender they do not make it anymore..ours is 18 watts not 15 like the newer ones they sell that amp was such a good value very very happy we got it all the guys like it all are impressed with it and all are shocked it cost 149.99.... we pretty much run it full blast with the t,knob at 1/2,,,3/4 it is 100% stock some say they even sound better with a tube upgrade...
Gotta disagree about the Laney AOR. Maybe the 100 watt is different, but the 50 is a fantastic hard rock amp. It's essentially a JCM800 with an extra gain stage and active tone controls. AORs are also very well designed and built, with the exception of those enormous, shitty particle-board cabinets. Having said that, the single worst amp I ever owned was a 1x12 JCM800 combo, the later one with the effects loop and channel switching. At lower volumes it was somehow muddy and piercingly shrill at the same time. At high volumes it sounded generic, like a beer commercial. There just wasn't a Marshall anywhere in it.
I used a 4 10 combo kustom amp playing gigs for 8 years. Yes, I had to go thru the internals and redo a lot of solder joints. I was fixing consumer electronic for a day job . Most of the trouble was the pcb mounting had no shock protection, mounted direct to the chassis, which was screwed tight to the cabinet. Any real jolt would be problematic. Clean headroom on my 150 watt combo was good. This was 72 til 80. I used a wan, dynacomp, early univox fuzz, and a foxx tone machine volume overdrive. Sounded great
"I dont wanna own a booger amp"
What about Mesa Boogie lol
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playing with boogers as long as it has "Mesa" in front of it, which clearly is a sign of bias. the 6262 Infimum is a pretty close match up of the peavey 5150 block letter and of the more recent 6505s, not totally the same, but it is also about a grand less off the shelf for a new 6505 III+. now i can't speak for the 2x12 combo version (maybe why they don't make them anymore? hmmmmm, speakers making an amp and all) but my infinuim 6262 head into a 4x12 Marshall 1960 or even better into my Harley Benton G212V with Celestion V30's *drool* is s friggin' beast of a high gain amp and in my opinion sounds as good or better in some instances than the recent offerings from marshall, blackstar, laney, etc. this point goes even further with anyone else in the same zip code on price alone.
Behringer made a lot of improvements on the Infinium series amps. I was referring to the first generation more than anything else in this video. Those first gen Bugera amps were GARBAGE.
@@RobertWJackson Agreed. I picked up a 333xl infinium and it hasnt given up on me yet. Though it does keep blowing tubes 🤔🤔🤔
None of my amps on this list
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I hope he doesn’t do a top 15 worst
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Same here...
I watched this to see if my amp was on the list but thank god it isn’t 😂
Mines here
same, just bought a dsl15 on the budget, had some sweat goin
I have a spyder 120 & spyder 150.They both sound great on clean green channel.
How does the Marshall MA sounds with a good cab?
Still garbage. Muddy as hell.
@@RobertWJackson I was just about to buy it haha thanks for replying man! I'm a big fan of your channel
Thanks man!
If you want to make trve norwegian black metal, these are the amps to use.
I play classic rock and the toneblaster covers it well I really shocked it made this list
My ears hurt thinking about the last time I heard a Raven. Inducing pain in the listener would be fairly cvlt.
Don't you mean vse?
And when you want to make a true Norwegian Black Metal album cover gather a bunch of sticks in a pile.
@Jon Goat the Marshall Valvestate was my first amp. I bought it thinking, cool now i have a Marshall and a valve amp! What a piece of crap.
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I hope more people find this list. We need to keep those Laney prices down.
John fogerty toured solo and with CCR using a kustom amp/cab... check out 2-3 songs on his live DVD premonition... not bad sounding at all.
anyone remember crate amps
billpepper the Blue voodoo was a cool amp! Their best imo.
There was some very good sounding crate heads. Back around 1987 don't remember what model numbers but I remember seeing a head or two in more than one studio. LMFAO
those crate solid state practice amps are good for one thing and one thing only. Drenching them in gasoline and watching them burn. Some of the Crate tube amps, however, surprisingly hold up.
Had a G40C gigged with it a lot! Back in the day!
I have a 1978 Crate CR-1 without distortion or reverb and I need to make some repairs to fix the signal path. 20 watts with a line out and a single channel 20watts, sounds decent just needs some restoration work
Say what you want about Kustom amps, but many Motown artists, Creedence Clearwater Revival, The Jackson 5, Johnny Cash, Carl Perkins, and Roy Clark would disagree. In the 60s, Kustom was one of the better quality makers around. Maybe they just didn't age so well?
but but but they don't METAL therefore they must suck! LOL
I think people are sleeping on those amps because guitar culture has deemed them to not be "worthy."
But, I agree with your point entirely.
@@johnlawrence7403 the coupe deville reissue in like 02 or 03 , somewhere in that decade they came back out with the 2 12 coupe deville tuber and shit , I freaking adore mine
1960s amps... Kustom vs marshall or Fender, Orange, Ampeg, Gibson, Vox... There is no question Kustom was one of the "Top" amp brands... Laughable
The old Kustom amp company is gone. The name is sold to someone else and the amp line really has no links to the originals. That said, the modern Kustom coupe tube amp amp sounds great.
practice amps do not suck if you're a beginner you don't need a massive amp. it makes more sense to have a small one that you can bring around with you
The Kustom Tuck & Roll was around in the late 90's and 00's too
I had a Kustom 200 amp with 2 15" JBLs back in 1976. Sounded fair.
Careful now, I play Kustom, they make great distorted amps. Admittedly I've had mine refurbed and installed a new speaker but it's still a beast of an amp with spring reverb built in.
Even some of these amps he doesn't like, he still has some positive feedback.
Great tone but a gap in frequency, nice tones but reliability in the jacks etc.
Good review techniques, honest and accurate.
Thanks man!
The worst amp I ever heard is any amp that I play through. 😢
What kinda car did Frank have?
Also I had a kustom tuck and roll half stack and it rocked. I mean it wasn’t a marshal, but it cranked.
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The ID Core is exactly the amp you say you're going to exclude from your list. I have an ID Core and as a bedroom/practice amp, it's great. Also have a 50W Line6 Spider II, and you're 100% correct. The clean channels boosted with a TS9 Tube Screamer can produce an OK sound, the distortion channels are brittle and unusable.
The trick to the Spider II was using the footboard with it. The presets were pretty useless, but if you knew how the amp worked (not intuitive) you could dial in useful sounds. The issue then is that you can't really utilize that without the footboard.
But there were several hidden features that Line 6 just didn't make people aware of, I guess they didn't need to since the amp sold so well anyway. But I loved the thing, I had a full stack version and a practice amp, just last year I went out and picked up another practice amp at pawn just because everything that I've bought as an "upgrade" in the 15+ years since my Spider II era just never satisfied as much.
I think most people just had no idea how to dial in a tone on them, and they were super touchy.
Agree with this; the Spider II is a great first amp as with any modeling/emulating amps from this era you can usually pick one up for about $60 shipped which gives a new player a good taste for different effects.
I absolutely agree with you...the pedalboard made all the difference! Tuning,volume control,wah-wah and the ability to hold 4 usable sounds. It took a while to dial those usable sounds in!
What were the hidden features?
Im in Australia And this piece of sh... turned me off playing it disillusioned me from finding an amp that had a great tone ..... the music store which was the only one for a good distance around looking back was full of clueless salemans and the amps that were tube i'm positive were horrible sounding as they must of hadtheir tubes woren to the bone . But i digress the line 6 spider as are most non valve amps ...bad but i was sold on the line 6 beautiful design and exterior the great knobs and i guess the great name spider ..and that i never owned an amp before . terrible amp
I can only assume that you had burst ear drums from it, because I can assure you that to everybody else it sounded dogshit. Have you seen "Mars Attacks"? I would only use one as a boat anchor
I almost bought wiggy when I saw it in a pawn shop. Just as a piece of furniture.
Bought a kemper rack head and ooh man am I ever happy.
Edit: I have boogie and fender tube amps as well. And some Kemper profiles blow them away especially for recording.
Whenever an amp has excessive built-in effects. Stay far away!
Yes... those effects are always digital and therefore rubbish. Moral of the story... stay away from digital.
I don’t agree with that. I love digital delay and digital reverb. The Boss DD-7 is my all-time favorite delay pedal. (No, I have not yet tried the new DD-8.) Analog has its place, but so does digital.
Boss katana mk2 50?
Okay. There are some good digital effects. EH 16 sec delay is good. But on an amp. No.
I love my Vox modeling amp, even though i also own a great tube amp
What do you think about the bugera g20 ?
I haven’t played that particular model, but all of the Bugera stuff seems to have improved significantly since their initial run. That first run of Bugera amps were terrible. That entire line was notorious for blowing up for no reason. They seemed to have fixed that problem, though.
@@RobertWJackson blowing up !!!!damn, must have been prototyping for Spinal Tap.........
They caught on fire due to a plastic clip in the non-infinium models located too close to the power tubes and melting and catching fire. They didn't actually blow up. That is bullshit
The Blackstar ID Core series may be blah, but the original ID:TVP series sounds phenomenal.. I've had pro players come up to me in shock that it was a "modelling" amp (which it's not really - it's modelling power tube types, not specific amps). They've just released the Silverline series which is supposed to be an upgrade to the ID:TVP, but I'm not going to run out and get one just yet as my ID:260 TVP can compete all day long.
This guy sux, amp that bob
The HT Stage 60 kicks ass. Sounded better than my Marshall JMP 50 WATT half stack.
Damn that "music" in the background is dreadful
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@@RobertWJackson you are most welcome, but its still shocking "music"
I was actually referring to FalconerPhoto.
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@@scampthelazycat9891 the guitar and instruments were actually well played and composed, the song itself was rather strange and “used car lot commercial” esque I’ll admit lol
So as an adult beginner looking to plan metal and jam in my basement so not wanting a little beginner pos but want something I could eventually hook a stack up to what would you recommend ?
Take a look at the Randall RD20H. GREAT clean channel as well as plenty of rock and metal tones to be had. Also, the PRS MT-15 is KILLER, and the new EVH LBX Stealth that was JUST released is already getting great reviews.
I had a Laney AOR head and loved it. But I run EQ and pedals separately so I would have never used that push pull feature. He's right. Excellent tones. But I needed the LP I traded for it more at the time. It was the white Laney Pro AR 100.
How about flip it and do the 10 best cheap practice amps? :)
That’s a good idea! 💡💡💡
The Roland Micro Cube better be on it! It was my first guitar amp and still my favorite practice amp.
Robert's Guitar Dungeon do tiny tube amps count? like the Blackstar HT1/HT5, Orange Micro Terror and the Joyo Bentamp series?
Yep, those count!
I picked up a used Peavey Rage from the early 90's for $20. I was really surprised at how decent the tones were at bedroom levels.
The ID Core is a great amp! The stereo speakers make the effects sound huge! The models are decent and it is a great practice amp at 99 bucks. Probably the best at that price infact.
I have the 100 watt head version and it sounds decent. It's not a tube head that's for sure, but good for shows due to its light weight.
He said ID series but I think he was referring to the core line. I've never played one so I cant say how they sound, but the ID TVP series solid state amps sound very good. It doesn't have tube feel, but the tube modeling concept is very cool. It does give you an introduction into how different tube produce headroom. And I get great tone out of it. Not a tube amp but for the money the TVP's are great solid state amps imo.
Yes! You have to get one with the stereo speakers in it. It’s sounds really good for a small practice amp
i have an id core that i picked up on the secondary market so i can play in my apartment. i thought it would be worse, but its ok with headphones on. that said, i replaced it with a UA Ox Box. lol! one extreme to another.
Makes a great DI to Pro Tools to. Sounds kinda like Marshall after a few adjustments. if you layer the tracks its pretty beefy to the average listener as well.
What about carlsbro?Tell me please!
Who?
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I mean a company carlsbro, it is famous brand of the world. Maybe you can show speakers or combo amplifier
Have to put a kind word in for Bugera. Their quality has vastly improved in the last ten years. I own the V-22, the dreaded blue light model. I’ve had it for ten years and no issues. It has a beautiful lush clean tone and is a very good base tone for pedals. Add a Wampler and you get the best Marshall sound outside of a plexi. I also own a Bugera 5W and I play it as much as I do my Fender ‘57 Champ reissue. Best tube practice amp for the money, IMHO. YMMV, but Bugera does not deserve a lot of the hate sent its way.
KillingerDOOM I had the tubes swapped soon after I bought it. Knock on wood as far as the capacitors are concerned.
Garbage
Traded in the 200 watt Black Star half stack for a Bulgera xxl combo 2 x12 tube 100 watt after playing it for almost an hour. Not only is it easy to dial in it fits in the car and keeps up with the big boys. Thats was 2014 havnt budged either since. I bought used at GC $330 USD now a days $450 and up easily.
I've had the 6262 infinium combo and loved it..
I've been playing a Bugera g20 into a Marshall 212 for years. No issues and it sounds great, plugged straight in, no pedals needed. 😊
ah the awesome Spider II..... i used to love mine and thought it sounded awesome... but i also couldn't play so didn't realise just how awful it really was.... Couldn't bring myself to sell it and make someone else suffer through that pain... still sat in my garage unused... probably pushing 10+years now... might turn it into a table.... it might look cool then
That was my first amp... I turned everything up to 10 on the insane channel. I thought I sounded like Zack Wylde...I actually sounded like a dying cat.
hahaha I'm tempted to dig the spider out of my garage, see if it works and see just how bad it sounds
I LOVE YOUR HONESTY. HONEST IS ALMOST GONE WITH THE DODO BIRD. IT IS VERY REFRESHING TO READ YOUR STATEMENT. ROCK ON.
JOE DIRT I wish someone was honest with me when I bought the damn thing I’d have skipped straight over it and gone for the peavey they also had, although was more expensive
HA----I SUCK LONG STORY WHY BUT I WAITED A LONG TIME TO BUY A TC-50 COMBO (BY MESA BOOGIE)AT MY AGE NOW IT WILL BE THE LAST AMP I WILL EVER BUY. THANKS FOR THE LAUGH ALSO HAVE A GOOD WEEK.
ALL that John Fogerty/ Creedence stuff was brought to you by the boys in ''Chanute Kansas''
I really like my Kustom, and its 3-12 cab. A lot of them suffered from (as almost all amps) Electrolytic Capacitor failures . Replace those, clean your pots and plug it into a slab of mahogany with p-90's and your ready to ramble tamble to green river as your friends hear it through the grapevine.
dantheglassman642004 John was famous for Rickenbackers though?
The feeling I get is that they probably supplied backlines to bands for next to nothing back in the 70s, as I've seen some pretty big bands using them in the videos from that era. I didn't think their tone was that bad either..
Yes......I don't have a Rick though.... I was referring to my LP junior
I saw Fogerty live several years ago and he was playing a PRS through a JCM 900. I've seen him playing live in a lot of videos and he uses a lot of different gear. I may be wrong, but I don't ever recall him using Fender guitars. Amps yes, but not guitars. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I did not see videos or pictures of it but I’ve read somewhere an interview of Fogerty saying he used a Telecaster.
Hello how are you. I am an electronics repairman and I repair old tube amps. Which tube amps are not very good in sound? I don't play guitar very well. I wish I could play as well as I can build or modify one. I have an old Epiphone galaxy 10 that had a burned out power transformer that a friend gave me and I fixed it. It would make a good sounding blues amp but the overdrive gain sounds muddy and a fender champ would blow it away on distortion. I'm thinking of putting a fender champ circuit in it
The early 200 Kustom amps were the most reliable I ever owned.
I Have played a 70's kustom twin that kicked ass(sounded like a early twin reverb to me) I thought i was the only one who realized how good these amps are but then i heard Phil Mcknight talk highly of the early 70's models when he went to germany and over there the early kustoms are sought after and go for heavy cash..
we have a speaker cab circa 68..we owned it 40 years now got it used,, still works and sounds great we used it for guitar ,,bass,,keys,,even as a sub one night when we blew our 18 we plugged it right in that spot and went right back on the 2/15s did a better job and no issues.. my husband used one of them amps for years to no issues good sound
This guy isn't old enough to have sold Kustom amps when they were owned by Bob Ross. Reliability was their forte. A lot of front line acts used Kustom equipment. This guy was selling the chinese made Kustoms.
So I couldn’t have possibly come across a used one or two in my day, right?
to add to this some small little guitar band from cali, Creedence Clearwater Revival, notoriously used kustom tuck and roll amplifiers..........and they don't sound half bad.
Great series! I laughed when I saw the Kustom amps. My cousin in Alabama was a great player and had a series of Kustoms he played his Gretsch through. The tuck-and-roll was great for throwing in his car because it wouldn't scuff up his interior. I bought a 1969 Fender Pro Reverb in 1995 and thought I had overpaid at $725. What a nice sound. Not exactly "portable." Wish I had bought more equipment when I was younger. Time flies. Enjoy it while it lasts...
When I worked retail in the 80's we had the Jackson/Charvel line and Jackson made a red stack amp that was the worst semi-expensive amp I ever heard and still decades later holds true . It sounded like dead power tubes when they were new , all middle , the bass and treble were useless . I know they belong on that list .
What do you think of rolland Amps I play with a bolt 60 what do you think of these Amps
Do you like it?
Today, for the price of a months worth of Starbucks coffee, I bought a used Line 6 AX2 212 TubeTone Amp for USD $120, which included the Line 6 Pedalboard, and a DIY hardback binder of the manual, and other printout reference sheets.
The Amp itself has like three of four small blemishes on the grill cloth, but the rest of the amp is in pristine condition, and after a few hours with it, works perfectly.
I've gone through many many amps, and still have quite a handful of amps and I have to say, this old amp which was made in 1998 or so, sounds better than even my newer modelling amps, and darn near as loud as my all tube Marshall 40 watt combo. A gem of a find. and i have always wanted this amp, too. The amazing thing is, that I did own a Line 6 catalyst, and this 26 year old amp STILL sounds better than some of their newer stuff.
Kustom amps weren't actually under-powered - they were over-named! Kustom named their amps based on the peak power, as Peavey also did early on. So a Kustom 200 was basically a 100w RMS machine. Once you understood that marketing BS, the Kustoms gave every inch of that RMS power, and reliably, IMO.
Don't hate 'em just because they had a stupid naming system, looked funky and dated (even back then), and had limited tone capabilities! :)
Good list but the Kustom Tuck & Roll sure served Fogerty well. It also gave him a more unique tone than using a Marshall, Vox or Fender. Btw, I saw him live in New Orleans about 20 years ago and he still had his old Kustom half stack front & center and it sounded awesome.
Bottom line, I don't think anyone has ever turned off a Creedence song because they thought the guitar tone sucked. But I do agree that most players wouldn't like the Kustom. Cheers & Rock On!
I love my Kustom to be honest, it's my go to at home. For live shows, not so much. Just didn't seem to cut through the mix as well as my others.
Did you know in the studio he actually used a fender?
Credence also used a vox conqueror. Solid state.
Amen! Listen to CCR live, John’s Kustom amps clearly cut it! I have several SS Kustoms, some I bought in the ‘70’s and they work fine.
Vox Conqueror amp? Show me a photo of CCR using a Vox amp.
@@scottgammon6584I read it was available for them to use in the studio. Alot of bands used the vox super beatle at this time, it was very common.
Is a Marshal DSL100H over a JCM900 1960's a good combo? I have one and love it but wanna hear from the marshall guy over here!
Yep, I’d eat it.
i know a few stoner doom bands who wouldn't turn down that Laney lol
Clearly seems to work for Sleep. Notably in the Dragonaut clip it's visible.
I believe Tony Iommi used a Laney as well (might be why Sleep got into them, knowing their general appreciation for Black Sabbath). The bass control probably wasn't much of a problem for Iommi with his use of a treble booster.
@@drpibisback7680 I remember reading somewhere that he turned his mids and treble all the way up and the bass all the day down on the amp, on top of using the treble booster. Them old Laneys sounded darkkkk
When you find your amp here 😔
When you find 2 you've had here. 😔😔
If you believe in your amp and have talent; either God given at birth or acquired over time, then most likely others will too.
I'm totally crushed now. I'm 56 and my whole life has been spent trying to find a Kustom Bass stack!!! 1. for the collectibly, 2. It's so cool, 3. they were bad ass, 4. so retro, 5.classic styling, 6. great tone, 7. total punch, 8.tons of raw power. Now you got me thinking i'm heading down the wrong path.....
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Don’t second guess yourself just because I don’t like them. If you dig them, get one! Although, I don’t know how collectible they really are. They’re not really very expensive at all on the vintage market.
Don't be. His hate on Kustoms, is lack of knowledge and his personal opinion only!
Kustom actually a good bass amp, guitar not so much
Your not. They are great amps…I have both a 69 and 70 heads and 2 speaker 15” cab and it still sounds great. Bought when I was about 15 and yes they take pedals well….and true not for medal….Not a problem because I’ve never cared for that music. And I love the look of that black tuck n roll….,
Robert, what if I bypass the pre amp on the marshall ma50? They go 300 bucks. Would be worth it just for a tube power amp? Plug straight into the return
Why would you buy an all-tube amp just to bypass the preamp section? Seems a little redundant. Look for a used Peavey 60/60 instead. They’re even a little less one the used market if you can track one down.
@@RobertWJackson I am a multi effect guy. I already do it with my solid state amp. Wondering if a tube power amp would improve the sound comparing to a solid state.
I use the jcm800 on my multi effect wondering if a valve power amp with el34 would sound closer to the real jcm800. I Love the videos btw
Great content
Implementing a tube power amp surely can’t hurt, but all of the processing power is still coming the processors algorithms.
You're the first person I've ever heard say that Kustom amps were poorly made. A lot of people hated the sound of them, but the general consensus seems to be that they were one of the best made amps from the 60's. Search for Uncle Doug's video on his. (He's an amp repairman.)
There’s probably some truth to what he’s saying, but when I was still working on the retail side, I lost count of how many Kustom Tuck ‘N Roll amps I saw come through that had something wrong with them.
I have agree with the video somewhat. First, I love the Kustoms but I’m an older guy that came up in the 70’s and they were a big thing in Florida where I am from. They were a big thing on the East Coast also. I don’t think they were made with quality materials because there are many that do need repairs and if you get into one, they seem to have a lot of the same issues. Nowadays they have the same issues as the older tube amps, bad capacitors, those have to be changed first. But then, bad solder joints are really prevalent throughout. Some of the problems are also early types of solid state electronics that over the years have also gone bad. In addition the Tuck and Roll, which I fell in love with when I first saw it, doesn’t take the abuse that tolex does and they have gotten pretty beaten up. But, I still love them and will buy and fix all I can find but some folks want a fortune for them on eBay.
My first guitar amp was a “Gorilla”. I don’t know the model, but it was a little white 15watt combo with a blown out speaker I bought it off a kid at school for $30. I swapped out the speaker myself for a cheapo car speaker from an electronics shop and boy, did that amp crank!
It sounded very cheap, but for the size and cost it certainly didn’t sound bad.
Does anybody remember standel amps. They created the word suck.
All I can say about Kustom tucks were great in the day. But it didn't last.
I own 3 Bugera amps. A 45W vintage head. A T50 Infinium, and a V22 Infinium, along with 2x10 bass enclosure. I can afford just about any amp if I wanted to spend the money. I played many amps before buying these, and nothing gave be the sound I was looking for, and the new Infinium technology is the best feature I have seen in and amp. Mix and match tubes if desired, and self biasing. I get more compliments on my sound. More so than our other guitarists very exspensive Messa. He has even borrowed my V22 Infinium, and loved it. He is planning one in the future. Play one, and put aside and amp snobbery, and you will be pleasantly surprised.
The V22 is supposed to sound similar to the Vox A 130.
Thanks for the info. I am looking to buy an amp, mostly for louder music with dirty distortion. I am looking at a Bugera T50 head with 2x12 TS cabinet, or a Buger v55 infinium (head only). Any thoughts on these?
This guy says the 6262 is trash, but I also see a 6260 combo for sale in my area. Worth a try, do you know? Cheers
I said the ORIGINAL 6262 is trash. The newer Infinium series amps seem to be fine. Lots of people love them.
@@RobertWJackson gotcha. Any advice on the 6260 120w 2x12?
I like them because they make me money when I have to repair them :)
@0o0oo0o Yeah, make sure it says “Infinium” on it. LOL
The Bugera 1960 Infinium is a really great sounding amp head.
I was VERY reluctant to buy it because I have had several bad experiences with Behringer over the last couple of decades, but that amp is incredible for $400.
Plug in a strat, select neck pickup, and you have THAT sound.
Does it sound exactly like a Plexi? I doubt it, especially considering that not all vintage Marshall Plexis sound alike to begin with, but it sounds damned good for $400.
Of course I am running through a proper British Marshall 4X12 though, I wouldn't touch those Bugera cabinets with a ten foot pole.
Don't let a bad experience with a first generation Bugera keep you from this monster.
I actually think Bugera pulled their heads out of their asses with the updated Infinium stuff. I have no problem with Bugera whatsoever. (I made fun of their name in the video strictly as a joke. LOL) But That first generation of their amps SUCKED.
I've got a Booger V22 and V5 Infinium, the lead channel on the V22 is not great but the clean is a good pedal platform. I love them, never had any issues with either.
You're just experiencing the Behringer R&D philosophy: wire some random wires together, put it in a box and see what people think. Then go to version 2 and knock it out of the park. I remember the UNFATHOMABLY awful 300W bass head they first came out with, my university were suckered into buying one for the music room and literally every bass player brought their own amps to practice there xD The octave pedal made for a good standup comedy routine though. EDIT: Almost forgot the Orange Micro and Micro Terror, which are almost as good as the Joyos, only reason I don't rate them so highly is the awkward scoop knob rather than a real tone knob, and the lack of cab simulated headphone output (Orange has unusable headphone outs)
I got a Bugera 6660 with a Mesa cab with V30's and it sounds good. Currently I play death metal and it sounds good. Regards from Mexico.
TheChamp I’ve got the V55 older non infinium version. I love the thing. Such great dimension to the clean sound it’s really nice. I wouldn’t trust it gigging or traveling But it sits in my little studio and sounds really great. Never had a problem with it and I bought it used.
I got a free 4-12 cabinet.it seems built ok.dont know what the speakers are in it but my Hartke piggyback was louder which shocked me.i got an acoustic head which I fixed and its ok.im considering putting some new speakers in the Raven cabinet.cant beat it for free
What do you think of the marshall mg series, solid state?
Not a fan, actually. Sorry.
I have a Blackstar ID core 100 watt and I love it.
Atomic Apocalypse same man
Atomic Apocalypse i prefer the id (not core) 150 head. Returned my id core 2×10 which I believe was 100 Watts. Found a Diezel 4X12 for 700 do that otobably helped the tone alot lol
Same
I have the Blackstar Beam for home use and I love it.
i have the idcore 10 and with the insider software you can make it sound good, my main amp is a TVP260 but i use the iD10 for pratice as its wayyyy lighter.
I disagree with your assessment of the tuck and roll original Kustom amps. I was there when they came out and our band used the PA system and the huge Bass amp. Never had a minutes trouble with them and they sounded fine and had plenty of power. Then again, we weren't Distortion Freaks back then. I have a K50 from 1970 and I love it. For Jazz and Pop, they are fine amps. For Chainsaw Music, not so much.
Yeah I think you got it right - they weren't distortion freaks back then. Depends what you want from the amp. Creedence used them exclusively on stage - just a good down to earth 100w amp. Each amp has several 'sounds' each different from competitors or they wouldn't sell. I like the sound and found them pretty good - just not as popular as some others. Solid state - pretty good for the day.
The only thing I disagree with you is the old kustom amps. Great for stoner rock!!!!! Cheap solid state 60's and 70's amps are the best.
I used them with a classic metal soundtank and when I played out I had people coming up to me raving about my sound saying my sound was way better than the other band who had Boogie Tri Rec amps.
I have a great collection of solid state amps that people say suck. I can match tones of some of the greats without a single tube. You would be surprised on clean tones as well. You just have to learn to use solid state.
I still have my old solid state H|H IC100S, bought it in the late 70's, still going strong. Fuck all wrong with it.
Used a Tuck and Roll in the 80s for a solid year of weekend gigs. Never an issue, loud as needed, sounded great clean/with pedals. Amp is still alive and well. Never an issue, aside from the reverb tank. Made in the late 60s. Never used the reverb anyway. Have a Kustom Coupe as well. Designed by the guy who helped design the 5150 amp.
Frater Simon
Any of the Kustoms. Traynors, sunn,Hell even kasino bass heads are great for stoner rock.
Try bass heads for your stoner rock sound. Dive into old solid state. I even have the zz top legend.
So, the problem with line 6 is the high gain sound, but what If i put a distortion pedal in my line 6 spider, can i get a good crunchy sound and the other effects?? Or it still suck???
Nope, still horrible. Line 6 Spiders are NOT good pedal platforms at all.
@@RobertWJackson wich amp brand would you recomend??
Never played through an amp that I didn't like...except for those damned Ravens! They were the most God awful nasty sounding pieces of crap ever, thank the guitar gods that I never had to gig with one! I had the misfortune to use one of the halfstacks at my brother's gf's house though (he told me that he had a "great amp" there for me to jam on...shoulda known better) and after about 10 minutes of trying my damndest to get a sound out of it that didnt completely offend my sensibilities, came to these conclusions: the gain sucked horrible, the clean tone sucked just as bad, the digital reverb was AWFUL, the EQ sucked to the point of being unusable, the built in effects REALLY sucked, and the cabinets/speakers sucked on a level I never thought possible at any price point...this amp's overall "tone" was reminiscent of what it would sound like if you were to play a poorly EQ'd recording of thousands of fingernails scraping across a blackboard, through a 70s era Soviet television with a blown speaker then reamplified through an abnormally shrill sounding bullhorn at full volume, inside an empty dumpster...just not as aurally pleasing! But it did have one redeeming feature. When I turned it off, it stopped making that gut wrenching, soul sucking, horrifically nasal noise...that was good!
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Hey, Credence Clearwater and the Revivals used (or at least appeared on TV with) Kustom tuck 'n' roll amps. Mine had dual JBL D130 15" speakers in it, the absurd efficiency of which made it LOUD. One night we played a club that had a very narrow stage with a riser that went all along the back so that the drummer went in the middle of the riser and our amps went on either side of the drummer. This had the effect of placing my amp right at ear-level for me. "Dear God!" I thought, "is this what I've been doing to the poor bastards in the front row all this time?" Bad amps, bad music, bad food, sleeping in the van . . . those were the days.
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My all tube Kustom 36 Coupe 2X10 Black Roll and Tuck has served me well for years at small venues. The clean tone is magnificent and the gain is killer. Reverb is deep and rich. Eminence speakers sound great and lots of head room for a combo. I realize you were talking more about the older Kustoms, but I'm here to tell ya, they impressed me with this baby. I just wished you could have mentioned the 36 Coupe 2X10 or 12". Maybe even the 72 Coupe 2X12 combo. Anyway thx.
Our Kustoms were solid state amps and they sucked.
I HAVE A 1966 AMPEG B 15 WITH TUBES. ALSO I HAVE A HAGSTROM BASS FROM 1966. THEY SERVED ME WELL PLAYING INA ROCK BAND BACK THEN.
Want to share a story. I've been hitting the stage for almost 40 years. I am a seasoned pro. I have owned some of the BEST amps ever made. Back in 2017, my amp blew a transformer. I was told, "it will cost more to fix it than it is worth." I did not have 1200 to 2000 bucks to spend on a new amp. So i go to GC with 150.00. Had to get something cheap to GET ME BY for a few months. Over a year later, I'm STILL using that amp! 😆 last gig was the Viper Room in Hollywood on 5/3/18. When we finished, 4 other guitar players DEMANDED to know what model of Marshall i was using. When i told them it was the MC100HCFX, their jaws hit the floor and simultaneously they yelled NOOOO!!!! A SOLID STATE?!!! You're not supposed get THAT kind of TONE from a solid state!!! I was quick to agree! But ya know what? If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Best 140.00 i ever spent 😆😆😆😆😆 still can't believe it 😆😆😆😆sometimes we think we've got it ALL figured out..... Then LIFE smacks us in the face and says, "SHUT UP ASSHOLE" !!!!!!😆😆😆😆😆
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Robert's Guitar Dungeon thanks 😁 it actually happened 😆😆 i knew somebody out there would enjoy it 😁😁
Robert's Guitar Dungeon where is your shop located? I would love to see what you have 👍
LOL I don’t have a shop. All of these videos are filmed from my house.
Robert's Guitar Dungeon oh ok 😆😆 it looks like an actual guitar shop! Impressive most impressive 😁😁👍👍 wish my house looked like that 😆😆 have a great day 😎
#3: Fender Champion 110
#2: Crate G80 XL
#1: Fender Frontman 10G
... I've only ever played through three amps.
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omg the frontman sounds like absolute trash.
One of the absolute worst sounding solid states is those small Orange Lunchbox amps, those sound god awful. They had so much potential
Tiny terror - aren't they all valve?
arbitermatt pretty sure they have like a valve preamp, don’t quote me though. They’re not impressive. Joyo has them beat with their line of mini heads
The Tiny Terror and Dark Terror are all tube. The Micro Terror and Micro Dark are tube preamp and solid-state power amp.
Robert's Guitar Dungeon I’m glad you of all people corrected me. Keep up the good content man! Been watching you for a good year now, love these top 10 style videos
Lol I had a few Kustom heads back in the day. They were awesome.
BIG CAPACITORS AND RESISTORS ECT... REAL SIGNAL PATH. They were built like tanks and easy to repair.
Could be you got one with aging components. It happens. Fried a few of mine and got them repaired I think.
I have had 5-6 different amp over the years (Peavey, Crate), now I own a Blackstar. I find the Blackstar sounds pretty decent - so not sure why you disliked that one so much. Maybe with a super small speaker, they (like the ID Core 10), they don't sound great ? I have the ID Core 40.
Exactly. Of course it sounded bad, it was just a practice amp. ID did a great job emulating tubes, but not for me purely because of no send return ports so not good for personal pedals, everything is on their proprietory footswitch and software.
How about randall rx120rh? is a bad amp too? It's sounds rock? Cause it's cheapest than the other amp
One time in the late 60's I played a gig using Kustom Amps because a store donated them for us to use and buy you are correct these are the worst amps I have ever heard or played thru !!! Garbage Amps
At least you got them for free lol
Yep! I had a black Kustom 200 tuck and roll amp back in about ‘69 or ‘70.... Expensive, and not worth the money!
I'll take a Tuck And Roll any day... from the combo to the jbl 15 cabinet... I'll take any color... no black.
ID Core is a great practice amp. I have the stereo version and it’s small. Have to disagree.
I have a ID core as well perfect for a bedroom and messing around with I have no issues.
Love my ID Core its awesome for bedroom playing and quick recording the library of tones online is also awesome.
Love my id core 20 v2. It's Great for practice
He probably meant the earliest versions which weren't the best. But some of the new ones are good
I love how you put the links to purchase the amps in the description
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I'm really impressed that Robert does know the nuances. I owned a Laney AOR series and got rid of it for the very reason Robert stated. When the bass knob was pulled out, the bass was so loud, it startled people who yelled "turn it down", when I pushed bass knob in, then I couldn't get enough bass vol. Robert knows his stuff about amps and I have ALOT of them. Very impressed with his knowledge.
Thanks man!
I’m no guru, but my guess is that a tech could substitute in a different value resistor (? and/or capacitor) to change the bass response. Yes, a modification (like our host said) but not a biggie. If the rest of the amp is ok, this might be an easy path to a cheap, good amp.
What about the Ibanez Tone Blaster 100R? Any better than the 100H?
Nope. LOL They just added reverb to it, basically.
@@RobertWJackson Thanks. Just getting back into playing, and in my search for a used amp, cam across one for sale locally. Price and condition seemed good, but don't want to buy anything that's gonna make me not want to play.
Don’t take my word for it, you may like it. Definitely go try it out yourself, if you can. However, in my opinion, you can probably get a better sounding amp for the same price point.
@@RobertWJackson That's the thing, I've owned a few crappy sounding amps in the past, and don't want to go there again. Made playing a lot less fun.
So I will venture to guess this will happen one day. A young man or woman is going to write a hit song with awesome licks and a tone that is all their own. Every guitar player will be wanting to mimic this crazy sound and find it will be one of these amps. All the guitar and amp industry reviewers and writers will ask he or she, How did you get that crazy sound? How did you get your unique and awesome tone? Answer: I was a broke ass kid living in the basement of my parents home. I didn't want an X-Box I wanted an amp and this is what my parents brought home.
Now everyone is flocking to E-bay to purchase these crap amps and are paying exorbitant prices willingly. All in the quest to get shit tone.
Moral of the story. No tone or sound is shit if it is your own and you write a song that is so damn good everyone wants to hear it.
Agree 100%. I have been refusing to watch this video for awhile but it keeps showing up in my feed. I think the presenter should stick his opinions up his ass and let the individual players decide what tone they do or don't like.
How am I making any decisions for anybody? Jesus, all I did was share my opinion and people act like I ran over their dog with my car.
I actually agree with your assessments. At same time when I see a review such as yours I remember the reviews on the Sears Silvertone guitars from back in the day. Then a young man named Jack White shows up and blows away the music industry with a guitar everyone labeled as crap. That is why I love music so much, an original artist can take something no one likes and make it their own. How many SG's would have Gibson sold if Toni Iommi or Angus Young didn't use them? This is also why the music industry is suffering right now. Record companies now just hire a team of writers pick and choose an artist based off of looks and perception, auto tune the heck out of it and pass it off as music.
I actually agree with most of your comments as well. It’s the other dude who replied to your comment that said I should “shove my opinions up my ass” that I have a problem with. My last comment was directed at that clown.
'... No tone or sound is shit if it is your own and you write a song that is so damn good everyone wants to hear it...'
Fair enough - but who has done that? Who has had a hit with a terrible sound everyone wants to hear? I can't recall any. Think of any great guitarist and they ALL have a great tone. The only one I can think of I really don't like too much - and it's purely a personal thing as I don't like too much mid range - is Carlos Santana's but there's nothing 'terrible' about it.
My Crate got me through a lot of gigs back in the day... until it started cutting in and out during shows... had to get rid of it.
Crate amps kick ass! Especially the 90's era of crates. Newer ones i have no idea how they are but the old ones are great.
What was wrong with exactly to make it cut in and out?
I’ve had good amps cut out because the input Jack came loose over time and use
@@DoktrDub My old crate did that too! all i did was open it up and the lil leads that touch the end of the guitar cable will get loose after thousands and thousands of times of plugging them in and out, you just have to bend the leads back a bit so they make a better connection with the cables end. And make sure to tighten the hell out of the port so it doesnt come loose.. If that doesnt work then just replace the input jack. Too bad mine blew up cuz it got overheated after a long time of full blast signal one night.
i was surprised the valvestate wasn't on here. As much as i love death that amp is the most harsh and scooped amp I've ever heard. There's nothing more shrill and artificial sounding.
For a few years in the 90s about half the rock & metal guitarists I knew got Valvestates because it was the only "real" Marshall they could afford. Every one of them sounded like utter garbage no matter what they ran through it.
This means of course that any day now a new generation of hipster dipsticks will suddenly decide that "tone" they had is "classic" and they'll become hugely popular and highly sought-after. So if you have one collecting dust in your basement, just hang onto it for a while and maybe it will be worth something again one day. ;)
I have the 265 Valvestate Marshall and it sounds killer, but when I bought it used, somebody had switched out the origin Marshall Gold speakers, and put in quality 'warehouse 12et 65 watt speakers'..and sounds better than Marshall JCM900 AMPS....my buddy did a comparison with his and realized the Valvestates are sleeper Marshall amps, with the right speakers in them. Plus if you turn up the loop knob control, you get all that 12ax7 preamp tube tone...
I think you guys don't know how to work amps
I will agree with you. I have a friend that owns 2 of them. I played through one when we had our last jam session, and I couldn't get a decent sound out of it
@@Caged63Man aha a vs that sounds better than a jcm ? I Hope you're joking or trolling. Valvestate amps make an horrible white noise when you crank up the volume (when they work properly, which is rare), you only hear the mids, no bass, no trebble..
Maybe Chuck Shuldiner go a really good one. Naw, it was probably just like all the rest except you had the man Chuck playing.
Good insights. Can you do worst Acoustic amps?
Acoustic amps all sound the same. They’re LITERALLY combo amp versions of PA systems. They’re all EQ’ed very flat in order to preserve the natural tone of the instrument that’s being played through it.
Used the kustom 3 15' bass cabinet for death metal vocals at the end of the 80's.Brutal lows
The laney aor is a legendary amp. Get a good rack eq and fix the bass issue. These are killer imo. Hot rodded jcm800 🔥
But you just described the problem with the AOR: the EQ sucks ASS. Even you don’t use it without an external device of some kind to unfuck that amp’s major flaw. Why not use an amp that doesn’t NEED a crutch?
@@RobertWJackson so, if someone knows how to mod amps and fix a tone stack, and could find one at a great bargain, it would make a good amp?
Not for me. Sounds like a colossal-sized waste of time and money when I could just buy an amp that I actually LIKE the sound of, but you do what you gotta do.
Say what you want about line6 but my hd500 has been rock solid and if Steve Howe uses one live it's good enough for me.
ArielsSmartyPants He was referring to the spider series...check out my reply
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Not that I give this guy any credit as an authority on what sucks and what doesn’t suck, he didn’t criticize Line6, he only criticized the Line6 Spider2. I had a Spider3 75watt practice amp, sounded pretty good but the motherboard fried after only a year or so and rendered my $300 lost forever, shoulda bought the warranty. Total loss. However, my Line6 4x12 half stack is awesome, great tone, running strong after 4 yrs, i would put it up against a Marshall any day.
Tony South Dakotah anything is better than marshall
Fredrik Svärd do you mind if I ask.. what do you dislike about Marshalls? I had to have my JCM 900 modified for more gain but have had it for years and love it.
@@realtruenorth 70's 50 watt Marshall head is hard to beat. The VS 100 head is underrated and surprisingly great, and can be bought used for very cheap
So what if you come across a raven 4x12 cab? Those suck too or was the cab at least decent?
Yep, those are also terrible. LOL Seriously, the speakers in those are complete garbage.
I love my little "cheap" Orange Crush 12 amp that "sucks". Not only good for practice but mic'ing for recording too.
Same I've had an orange crush for 10 years now and its still the best sounding amp I've played through at low volumes.
@@broed731 It's great for home recording. Surround it with sound panels and mic it. Love my Orange Crush.
YOUR Vocabulary,knowledge of subject,HUMOROUS ANALOGY,
voice tone, satirical humor make you one of the BEST VIDEO YOU TUBE
PRODUCTIONS !!! Excellent,Robert !
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I've got the Line 6 Spider II head. It depends how you set it up, but you can get some good sounds out of it (if you can figure out how to do it). So it must have been a poor speaker in the Combo.
Im a beginner, I have the fender frontman 15g. Is it bad?
It works just fine for starting out, especially if YOU enjoy it. Don’t let anybody tell you otherwise, not even me. LOL However, if you’re thinking about upgrading, don’t be afraid to take a trip down to your local shop and try out some other amps just to see what you might be missing out on. Nothing inspires you to learn more than using gear that you enjoy the sound of!
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I had a long winded and tactful response pertaining to how you may be wrong about the Wiggy, Kustoms and the Laney amps... But you seem a bit biased, which is fine because this is your channel, not mine. BTW I 100% agree and applaud you for the Marshall you added to the list.
I have a Kustom 250-4 that I use as my one and only bass amp along with an Ampeg SVT 15" cab. The tone circuit is precisely similar to Fender and a lot of people have borrowed it from me, all of whom offered to buy it.
wiggys rule, owned several, dont anymore but if i could i would.
I like the AOR Laneys! I'm a single coil guy so the big bass is good for me, singles stay clear with more bottom. I also think the Bogner Alchemist sounds amazing, they remind me of the Steve Via Carvin Legacys. The first ones might have had reliability issues but they fixed that. The 2x12 is a great sounding amp with one of the best clean channels on a channel switching amp.
I had a Line6 spider and I agree it sucked, the MA Marshall does too. I agree with most of his list, I've never owned one but playing through them those "Booger-a" :-) amps seem to have improved a lot although I wouldn't buy the 6262, maybe a V55 or 1960 head if it was a good price. I actually have thought about picking up a Bugera 1960 for a modding platform if 1 it was a later infinium model and 2 it was a really cheap price.
I sold my AOR for a Traynor YBA-1. I miss my 50 watter in a sense because it’s such a unique tone. I could totally see this being a amp for single could. It played nice with my P90s.
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For the Bugera 6262 did you try the head or the combo version. I remember years ago I tried the combo version and it was literally one of the worst amps I’ve ever heard in my life. A few months back I tried the head version of the 6262 through a cab equipped with vintage 30’s and it sounded so great I ended up buying it. Not sure if they made some tweaks over the years or if it was just the stock speakers.(which any speakers made by Behringer are notoriously awful)
I have a Line 6 Spider Jam amp. I bought it after a friend of mine demonstrated all the backing tracks it came loaded with and the recording capabilities it has. It's fun to fool around with and practice with, and I have used it at a few like small gigs where room was a problem, (like coffee shop setting) so I could also use it as a PA, but I always just used the clean channel with my guitar because the modeling or effects don't sound that great. So, anyway my point is--yes the Spider amps are good but a lot of the effects/modeling stuff are not that good--fun for practice in MHO, but kind of sucky for dialing in that tone you might be looking for.
I kinda disagree for the ID Core. I have an ID Core 40 and it is a great practice amp, both clean and distorted. The tones are excellent. I use it as a practice amp but it's good for a small setting.
The new id core amp i bought before i bought a katana was the worst sounding practice amp ive ever played....worse than those squier strat pack amps....it was awful....soundex like a transistor radio and the effects sounded awful....but to each their own....i didnt expect it to sound as good as my orange rocker or my tweed but ffs it was bad.....
I was thinking the same thing. I remember playing one of those at the store and having my mind blown from how good the metal tones sounded. I didn’t buy it but I remember wanting it ever since 2018
I had a late 60s black tuck and roll Kustom 100 bass amp with a 2x12 matching cab. I bought 3rd hand in 1978 to use as my first real guitar amp. Although I was too young to realize it then, looking back, I now know that it sounded horrible with my cheapo Les Paul copy plugged into it. With that said though, It was in “like new” condition.
Well, around 82-83 I sold it. Then the guy I sold it to sold it. Fast forward to about 2007 when because of the sentimentality if it, i actually bought it back! Amazingly, it was still in near new condition..
What I discovered however, was how great it sounds with a bass. I think it sounds so full and warm. I mean, it’s not super loud, but it’s perfect for lower volume band scenarios. I was happy to get it back but I won’t be plugging a guitar into it. Yes it’s still in great condition. Works like a dream.
I definitely get what your saying but is there anything good about Kustom model quad 100 HD lead guitar amp ?
So the trick with my particular Laney AOR 50 series 1, an 8 knob in specific, is to pull out either the treble or mod pot and dial in presence medium to high. Through an orange cab, it seems to bring it to life.
I’ve got a Marshall Valvestate 8100 and I love it for metal! The cleans are pretty decent on it only obstacle with this amp I find is the boost/high gain channel has a tendency to sound like a swamp in the distance or sounding overly contoured, it’s my first stack so I’m enjoying it. I look forward to getting a better amp and cabinet.
Use the Valvestate clean with your gain pedals and when you use the gain from the amp use a BBE Stomp
I remember years ago having a Marshall MG 102 solid state. It was my first "Proper amp" it was a 100w solid state 2x12 combo and it was an absolute peice of shit on the dirty channel. Cost me nearly £400 which is alot of money when you're about 16-17 and I saved for ages. It was only good for the clean channel and it hated pedals.
I don't know what the newer ones are like but it was absolute pure junk. It would just randomly stop outputting sound and you had to reset the amp which was apparently a common problem.
The fan keeping it cool would stop randomly and the god awful distortion was a noisey mess.
Don't even get me started on the speakers.
What do you think of the HiWatt Little Rig
Never played one, actually. So I’m afraid I don’t have much to offer on that amp.
I think a great challenge would be to pick the bad sounding amps up and coax a good sound out.
i agreed with all but the kustom...i guess the reissues are not like the old ones..we had a 1968 kustom head and 2/15 guitar bottom...we used the bottom cab for bass and guitar it was great for either the amp sounded great it was on the road with us over 22 years and took a beating 3 nights a week..it got ripped off we still had the bottom cab last 10 years of owning it we let bass players use it over 30 years of beating with us and we got it used and it never even blew a speaker...worked great and passed in on to our grandson....
second kustom comment....we have an 18 watt tube type kustom with a little 8in speaker the speaker sucks.the cost 149.99 brand knew..but when we run it in a 2/12 bottom it sounds great plenty loud enough to play gigs in smaller bars works great for everything from country to hard rock it almost can do metal with no gain boxes falls just short of that...but really sounds good for classic rock and hendrixy blues ccr type music we have had it 3 or 4 years no issues ..kind of weird it dont power down instantly when you flip the switch it sort of bleeds out...but that is the only thing weird about it that tiny little amp is great...they have a 15 watt amp and head out called a defender i think ours is called a contender they do not make it anymore..ours is 18 watts not 15 like the newer ones they sell that amp was such a good value very very happy we got it all the guys like it all are impressed with it and all are shocked it cost 149.99.... we pretty much run it full blast with the t,knob at 1/2,,,3/4 it is 100% stock some say they even sound better with a tube upgrade...
Gotta disagree about the Laney AOR. Maybe the 100 watt is different, but the 50 is a fantastic hard rock amp. It's essentially a JCM800 with an extra gain stage and active tone controls. AORs are also very well designed and built, with the exception of those enormous, shitty particle-board cabinets. Having said that, the single worst amp I ever owned was a 1x12 JCM800 combo, the later one with the effects loop and channel switching. At lower volumes it was somehow muddy and piercingly shrill at the same time. At high volumes it sounded generic, like a beer commercial. There just wasn't a Marshall anywhere in it.
I used a 4 10 combo kustom amp playing gigs for 8 years. Yes, I had to go thru the internals and redo a lot of solder joints. I was fixing consumer electronic for a day job . Most of the trouble was the pcb mounting had no shock protection, mounted direct to the chassis, which was screwed tight to the cabinet. Any real jolt would be problematic. Clean headroom on my 150 watt combo was good. This was 72 til 80. I used a wan, dynacomp, early univox fuzz, and a foxx tone machine volume overdrive. Sounded great