Around the time that Derek Jeter was making headlines for getting more base hits than any other New York Yankee in history, The Onion printed an article pointing out that Jeter still had fewer hits than "journeyman" player Harold Baines. The article was intended to take Derek Jeter down a peg, yet he was so revered that I ultimately believe that this widely published Onion article was directly responsible for getting Harold Baines inducted into the Hall of Fame.
Baines was a great player. I don't think journeyman is an apt description for him. And most likely he didn't receive 75% of a Hall of Fame vote, because of an Onion article.
@@NGVP2 well, it was the onion that called him a journeyman...so the fact that you are disagreeing with a tongue in cheek take from the onion tells me that you must be pretty stupid
I know it's The Onion, but Jeter wound up with 3400+ hits, and Harold Baines retired with... zero rings. Glad Baines is in the HOF though. 6x all star and an excellent player.
"Pujols also only ever recorded negative defensive runs saved at first base after he turned 36 years old. It took Pujols FIFTEEN YEARS to become a below-average fielder at first base. Jeter, on the other hand, recorded a negative defensive runs saved at shortstop in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, and 2014. The only reason there aren’t more years listed is because, as I said earlier, defensive runs saved wasn’t a measured statistic until 2003. However, Jeter also recorded a negative Total Field Runs Above Average at shortstop in 1995, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, and 2002." From the article I read
Don't forget that the All Star game was a popularity contest for many years, and even Gold Gloves were given out for the same reason before the metrics became used. Jeter was such an icon from 1996-2005 that most people simply ignore the defensive mediocrity. He was one of the greatest offensive players of all time and his leadership and championship performance will always make him a great player. I think his hitting ability (I remember the name Captain Clutch) kept him relevant long after his defense should have made him a 3rd baseman or even a DH. I'll ignore the Marlins stuff as this isn't his career as a player, sp I cannot ever consider Jeter as the most overrated EVER because he was a bad defender. The other accomplishments and championships far overshadow that. There are far too many overhyped and overrated players in baseball that I don't think it's fair to bash Jeter because the media failed to go after him, or that he had feuds with ARod. He'd have to be bad all around for his whole career to be the most overrated.
but....that's what this story is about. If he's just a good batter he plays in the American League where they literally have a position that does only that.
@@LittleQueue nah he has pretty much the same stats as Barry Larkin offensively, the only difference is that Larkin played pre-steroid era and Jeter didn’t so the advanced comparisons favor Larkin, and they are both rightfully hall of famers
In 2002, I went to a Yankee-Angels game in Anaheim. Mind you, this was the year the Angels won the World Series. I am not exaggerating when I saw there were more #2 Yankee jerseys in the stands than Angel jerseys.
Not surprised. The MLB built him and showcased him as "the chosen one" the good looking angel child for the most popular team in baseball history. If he was an Oriole, a Blue Jay, a Royal, etc...he wouldve already been forgotten about and definitely would NOT have ANY gold gloves lol or world series, obviously
@@fantasyEXX I live in California, Been to a few both Angels and Dodgers game involving both Yankees and Red Sox, and I am sure homeboys from East LA or blonde Valley girls sure don’t look like New Yorkers or Bostonians.
@@fantasyEXX Exactly. Southern California is full transplants, people from other parts of the country who still support their hometown team. NFL is also different because L.A. didn’t have a football team of its own for twenty years. Now we have two, including one we didn’t ask for whose real fans are still down in San Diego.
He is overrated, but mostly because of his defense. He was a fantastic hitting shortstop for nearly two decades of his career and contributed to five title teams. He played a lot of postseason games and put up even better hitting numbers in the postseason. There's a lot of extra hype playing for Yankees, but he earned his Hall of Fame induction. I do get annoyed, though, that he essentially won five gold gloves because he dove into the stands one time. It's no coincidence that Jeter won his first gold glove in the same season he made that highlight reel catch.
Agree. He belongs in Cooperstown, but there’s no way he was the best fielding SS in the AL for 5 straight years, or 7 of 10. It just shows how much inertia plays into GG voting.
He was a very good defensive SS. But, then his natural transition to 3B got blocked and he stayed at SS way too long. Add that to his loss in arm strength after the shoulder injury, he was never the same. Prior to the shoulder injury he was a great SS. The defensive metrics are frankly BS (I am a data analyst in another industry). Don't believe me? Figure out how similar metrics, or even the same "named" metric from different sources (e.g. fangraph vs baseball reference) can call the same player great and terrible at the same time. There is a lot more work to do to be able to rely on defensive metrics. And to go back and apply those metrics to players that played before the metric was in place is even sillier.
@@MCWormGuy Fair enough, there's a ton of noise in defensive metrics. One metric can be high on a guy while another can be lukewarm. But in Jeter's case? You get consensus that he's not so good. The culprit seems to be lack of range, which traditional stats like range factor seem to agree with. Grantland had a terrific longform piece on Jeter that I think explains things well.
@@mrmacross I understand your perspective, but saying Jeter had a lack of range screams recency bias, and is already accounted for. Yes, I agree, he frankly had terrible range the last few years. But his range was not terrible his entire career. For at least the first 10 years of his career (age 20 to 30) he had above average range, especially to his right. If he was allowed to transition, as virtually every other SS in history has had to do, especially of his physical profile, he would be thought of as a good defensive SS.
Derek Jeter is probably the most fortunate baseball player ever, had he been on any other team nobody would be talking about him today and making documents about him, I say he was fortunate because he was on that 90s Yankees dynasty and had some classic moments in an already great team and I’m Yankees fan but even I can see it.
The Yankees were a powerhouse largely because of jeter. They didn’t win for 18 years before he got there and they haven’t won since he left. He is the only HOF in that lineup, aside from an on the decline Tim Raines and Wade Boggs who was there only for the first championship.
@@timmyg831 That is not a fact. That is revisionist history. Go back and watch some games from earlier in his career. He goes to the 2B side of SS to field balls, despite 20 something year old nerds who never saw him play and never played themselves saying that he had no range. He almost always played with bad second basemen earlier in his career. If you have two guys up the middle who can’t field, you don’t win. He was a solid SS who always rose to the occasion. Find me the games that the yanks lost due to Jeter’s defense.
I watched Jeter play for the single A Greensboro Hornets in '93. The Hornets were a customer where I worked and we got free tickets all the time so I went to a lot of games. Jeter led the South Atlantic League in errors that year but was a good batter. He was the Yankees top prospect but, after watching him for a whole season, I was pretty sure he wasn't going to make it to the big leagues. A few years later I got to watch Ruben Rivera (the guy who stole Jeter's glove) play center field for the Hornets. Ruben was the real deal. He had the strongest arm I've ever seen in the majors or minors and a powerful bat. It got to the point where, if there was a fly ball to center with a runner tagging up on 3rd, I knew the runner was going to be out before the ball even touched Ruben's glove. If you told me then that one of these guys would be in the HOF, I would have bet on it being Ruben before Derek.
“Into Death Valley! It goes right over his glove! He missed it! But Ruben Rivera missed second base! Now he’s heading for third and they’re gonna throw him out by plenty, but the throw to third is botched! Now he’s heading home! It’s a loose ball on the infield. And he’s out by five feet at the plate. And that was the worst baserunning in the history of the game!”
Ahh...and that's what makes baseball different. It's only sport where you can take a kid with very good skill and bad fundamentals over someone with great skill and great fundamentals because the former is a HOFer and the other isn't. The latter hit his ceiling. Its billy beane and Lenny Dykstra from moneyball. More often than not, the competition change between AAA and majors is something guys who have been great in HS can't deal with. Jeff franceour comes to mind.
Other players have had opportunities like Jeter…but few ever get in the same level. Jeter had the intangibles and skill to make the most of every opportunity he got.
@@Showtime_Inc did you see me say anything about his defense? Though, Jeter does hold some of the best highlights of all time on DEFENSE. Just search ‘Jeter’s best defensive plays’, I don’t even need to say what they are.
I think that’s a really important part of who he was, when you look around the league and see how many shortstops want to wear #2, it’s easy to see the inspiration he had on so many young fans. Absolutely class act
😂First week as Marlins CEO he traded their top 5 batters in the lineup😂 1. D Gordon 2. Ozuna 3. Yelich 4. Stanton 5. Realmuto That lineup wouldve been a top 8 lineup at that time and possibly playoff bound
He’s in Cooperstown for base running and being one of the most clutch hitting SSes of all time. Only six people in the history of baseball have more hits than Jeter. He’s literally the anti-Ozzie Smith, a player with a dominant glove who worked hard to improve into a feared contact hitter, while Jeter had the bat and though he was never a good defender he did have a few memorable plays now and then. Didn’t deserve those GGs though, I agree.
Marlins Man seems like a person that is detached from reality. No one actually cares about him that doesn't know him. Just kind of a gimmicky guy where u go, "Oh hey its that guy with the orange jersey."
11:00 it drives me crazy when people say that this catch was on a “foul ball” go back and watch the video and pause when the ball hits his glove, it’s a fair ball, by 10 feet, his momentum took him into the stands, but he caught the ball in fair territory. He robbed what would have been a double at a crucial point in that game.
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He was a great player, but because he was the face of the Yankees during their return to glory, he was elevated by the NY media and ESPN, and marketed by MLB at a level that was ludicrously disproportionate to his stats. If Jeter wasn't a Yankee, but had the exact same stats, he wouldn't have won gold gloves and he would've had maybe a few all-star games with no starts.
@@mikereidjr4955 But it pretty much is all about the stats, if the stats perfectly reflect reality. We are not there yet, but much closer than we used to be. Baseball is all about 2 things: creating runs and preventing runs. You cannot win any other way. And we can pretty accurately determine how much a player does of each of those 2 things.
He was very sure handed. As much as anyone. He gave everything he had. He was like a Pete rose. Winner. Clutch. Charged the slow roller very well. Caught balls over his his very well. Didn't have good range. But let's be honest, a lot of jealous haters out there. Most Yankee fans liked him at short. I think the fans opinion means a lot.
Dude he had 8 seasons of 200+ hits and another four with 188+ hits. All time post season hits leader. Number 10 all time for life time average by a right handed batter after ww2. Number 6 in ALL TIME hits. He hit .481 in the All Star game. In what world is he not starting on the all star team? His last year was maybe the only year he made the team with sub par stats and he had 2 hits in that game. Sure they blew up his stature some but not nearly as much as you would like to pretend. Also, he played his entire career in NY. have seen how many players can't handle playing in NY in any sport? And this dude thrived here.
Just to clarify about "Mickey Mantle was banned by baseball" comment, Mantle and Willie Mays had both signed contracts after retirement with a Las Vegas casino largely as gladhanders to shake hands and sign autographs at various casino events. Commissioner Kuhn decided to ban them because they were technically being paid by a gambling business. The media criticized Kuhn for this and, when Kuhn was replaced by Peter Ueberroth, the new commish quickly reinstated the two stars.
Thanks for bringing that up. When I heard that in the video I shook my head. Nothing to do with a scandal, just a job greeting people at a casino after retiring. Kuhn was an idiot.
@@williegordon9188 He wasn't right, like I said he was an idiot. They weren't playing baseball, they were retired and should be able to take any job they want.
@@jdstevens3478 Helpful to the game? Like making major leaguers think that baseball is enjoyable if you do nothing but take walks and strike out for 5 hours straight, never stealing, bunting or doing anything that might be slightly enjoyable to watch? Right, very helpful
@@liamhohertz4807 actually they do. The "metrics" now tell teams, by the magic powers, that it is a waste to bunt and steal and to try to make contact, so taking pitches right down the middle and then striking out is the best option. The Dead ball Era was more fun than this rancid trash
Yeah but you can have a player that helps morale and spirit and is still a game changer for their team on the field - look at basically any Cardinals star in franchise history.
I’m a diehard Yankee fan and I loved this video. You shed some light on things I’ve never thought of before and brought a great perspective that I’ve never seen. He is a Hall of Famer but he was not the best SS. He was clutch and a great leader and earned and sustained his respect
I’m a diehard Red Sox fan. I’ve got TONS of respect for Jeter. And that’s saying a lot because generally I don’t have respect for a Yankee. Derek deserved to be an icon, regardless of his defense. Only other player that’s earned my respect like Jeter did is Aaron Judge. I also like Jeter because he beefed with A-rod lmao. I hope you enjoy this season bro
@@Ok-dm1ck ya all I did was look at his stats, career .310 hitter with 3500 hits. Done. Easy. No debate. Defensively, he had an above average fielding percentage. That's good enough for me.
@@user-nj1zu2nf1x the guy above him literally looked at the stats and said stats only 😂😂 but because the second guy used stats you didn’t like you come at him for it
Both things can be true. He can be a good Ss AND an overrated player. If he was in KC, Oakland or even St Louis he would have had a hard time getting this level of press. Additionally, he benefitted greatly from the teammates around him. Not that its fully minimized but I think its discounted heavily. But yeah dude is not a great overall SS
@@Shinobi33 Some people are able to deal with that just fine. The point is, he had the priciest & most juiced teammates around, & wouldnt have won anything if he were anywhere else. He wasnt even the best SS on his own team lmfao hes a slap hitter whos terrible at the position he played
@@akimboslice9867 he's wasn't a slap hitter. He also he had years when he didn't play with other stars. And when he did he was still the best player on sone of those teams
He was a really GOOD player. However, I always said “if Derek Jeter played on the Chicago White Sox, nobody would know who the fuck he was” Yes, I am a white Sox fan.
@@Etm2187 I don't know Cal Ripken got this same treatment though and for the 2nd half of his chasing Lou Gehrig (or at least the last 3rd) he wasn't really that great a player but he had the same Jeter treatment. I don't think people realize how those iconic plays seep into the minds of fans and harden a single idea for them. Jeter made that one play against the A's and that iconic jump through and I had one of the most brilliant co-workers who was a virtual God when it came to IT and systems, and just an unbelievably reasonable guy, but if you tried to argue that Jeter was not a great defender, he would lose his mind. We used to love teasing him by saying "we didn't realize his name was Derek, I thought his first name was Past a Diving"
Yeah those 3400 hits would make him invisible. If your the number 6 all time in hits, your more than a GOOD player. Hmm, ever hear of someone called Kirby Puckett or Rod Carew? They played for the Twins all the way up in Minnesota. Yet if your a baseball fan you certainly heard of them. Hmm, Jim Thome in Cleveland. Robin Yount, Paul Monitor. Milwaukee. Just love it when people say stupid things without any thought to try and prove their point.
Houston Astros passed on him in the draft. I am sure if he would’ve been drafted by then. Both Jeter and The Astros would’ve been in a totally different place.
A-Rod is worse he cheated wore baggy uniforms my bro in law loved Jeter n NY I told him 15 years ago A-Rod is hiding something under that baggy uniform
Ruth and Gehrig were friends from when Gehrig debuted till Ruth retired as Ruth disrespected his mother and made up when Gehrig retired because of ALS so saying they were only enemies is completely wrong
It just seems like he was. He came up big in some famous moments but that’s the thing, it’s not many. Since they’re such famous plays they’re played over and over which makes it seem more common.
He was always the face of the Yankees during a great run. However most of championships came when he wasn’t the leader (he was a young player then). The leaders of those championship teams was more tino, O’Neill, and rivera
Jeter is the famous guy that also plays baseball. He’s usually a casual favorite player but I never met someone who said Jeter was their favorite and knew what OPS is.
Derek Jeter did the same thing with the Marlins as the previous owner did back after they won their world series title. The owner back then knew that with revenue sharing he can make money no matter how bad his team actually is. So he cut all of his all stars and had an average ticket sale of less then 6k per game. He still made millions and sold the team to also make millions.
4% of the initial purchase price is 48 million guess what they gave him to leave? 48 million. If he got 4% profit share he got 4% of roughly 110 million that’s what ownership is bringing home roughly for a poor team like that with no real contracts
This is gonna be hard for me to watch, but I love your channel and watch all videos. When I was in Jr. High and in special education classes I read his book, The Life You Imagine. That book inspired me and turned me from a F/D student into an A+ student. The next year I was moved into regular classes. DJ was the first person to make me feel I could do well in life.
I unsubscribed after this video, Derek Jeter is the most underrated baseball player of all time. Played SS until he was 40 that will never be done again, played half of his career before analytics were a thing. Did everything in his power to win whether it was April or November. He’s your favorite shortstops favorite shortstop and anyone that slanders him should be thrown in prison
@Fries As a Atlanta native that pays attention to the division I thought Miami outpaced expectations almost every season Jeter was CEO. Miami has no fanbase and the owners won’t spend. It was always gonna be a long haul to build a winning structure and coming from the big money Yanks I don’t think Jeter wanted to deal with that lack of cash.
Who cares about Jeter stepping down as CEO of the Marlins like that don't take away from his baseball actual skill...like some of ya is the reason why he don't talk to media now...dumb ass blogs 😒‼️
People forget why Jeter sold off the 5 best players. Stanton is a fantastic player but the marlins couldn't really afford him and the team wouldn't have been able to improve under that contract. While not all of the prospects worked out it's hard to rebuild a franchise with the reputation that they've had since their inception.
@@bobbyverdin7915 Um, Yelich won an MVP then finished 2nd in MVP voting the next year, Ozuna finished 6th in MVP voting in 2020, and Realmuto is a top 3 catcher in the league.
Exactly and he stepped down because they didn’t delivery on what they promised DJ. People always assume without researching. DJ wasn’t the greatest offensive SS player but he wasn’t the worst. He also made a lot of great plays as well especially when needed. He was a classy and charming guy. He never cheated and was a great player all around.
At 11:10 idk if it has been mentioned but the Yankees were down 2-0 in the series when the "Jeter flip" play happened (bottom 7th)which preserved the 1-0 lead which kept the Yankees from being swept and not actually being down 3-0 in the series.Nice Vid!
I really think you are overstating the amount of hate he's gotten during his marlins tenure. From what Ive read and how they've played i think he's done a fair job trying to rebuild after loria. Remember this org needed a complete gutting
@goblins are real They aren't *everything*, but they are very accurate as a rule. I mean an Offensive WAR of 90+ is inner circle HOF level. The fact that even with his terrible defense (and it was terrible, every single defensive stat agrees he was awful, as does almost any non-yankees scout/pundit), he still managed a WAR better than the majority of HOF inductees is testament to just how ridiculous his offensive ability was
As a lifelong Red Sox fan, I have absolutely no use for the Yankees, and can’t consider myself a Jeter “fan” in any way. That said, I remember him as a clutch hitter who, in my lifetime m was only eclipsed by David Ortiz. He was the biggest reason they won 4 out of 5 championships.
No, the Yankees could've won back to back WS at that time without Jeter. Do you remember their roster? It was loaded to win postseason; Bernie Williams, Andy Petite, David Cone, Tino Martinez, Mariano Rivera, Joe Torre, etc. guys that are so good underpressure. I'll say this again, they didn't need him...
Yes, he’s overrated but still a great player. I’m talking more about how the media fawned over him and that is because he was in the #1 market. He would be looked at as just a great player if he played his whole career in Milwaukee. I lost respect for Jeter when he forced ARod to play 3B. ARod was clearly the better fielding SS with a better arm as Jeter should have moved to 2B. But Jeter’s ego wouldn’t relent so he had to finish his career at SS as he continued to lose range every year.
Jeter was the Yankees SS and it was his team.. You don't ask the best player on the team to move over.. Dumb critique. And we saw what A-Rod was and was NOT.. Great reg season player (Cough Steroids galore) but a choker big time in the playoffs (Even with Roids).. Jeter was the Yankees..
7:33 - Ichiro once answered a question with, "I don't know. Ask a fortune teller." My mom and I agree that if A-Rod had said that, it would be a national story that would not go away for the rest of the year.
watched him since he broke in...if you watched him alot you'd know how great he was. he was a spark plug for the 96 team..then became a model of consistency as well as clutch play. his winning attitude kept the older players interested and the younger ones focused. . he is as great as advertised
Calling a dude with the most post season hits, 6th all time in hits, some of the craziest plays by a shortstop and managed to stay healthy all that time is WILD! Let’s go Yankees!!
@yossarian which is why I give A-Rod credit for not being a baby about it despite the fact that he should've been the SS till at least 09-10. If Jeter didn't have as much clout in the organization as he did, Rodriguez could've easily kept his spot.
He’s a champion, but A rod was the better shortstop. I remember in Jose Canseco’s book he claimed he was not on the juice for what that’s worth. Sometimes it’s just the position your in, kind of like Matthew staffford with the lions he wouldn’t of been a HOF without the organization.
@@fratrickmachomes5263 Stafford is one of my favorite players I always thought he was HOF material, but Detroit obviously held him back and probably wouldn’t get into the HOF if he stayed in Detroit. That’s coming from a lions fan, they would of been 2-14 every year if he didn’t play.
If A-Rod could be clutch at any time aside from 2009 and could catch a pop fly; they would have been a better team. Jeter was never the reason when the yanks didn’t win. Never.
I saw Jeter make a lot of errors over the years. I never kept track. I figured all infielders make some errors. Didn’t realize he was making more than others.
@@Abdul-qe9qq until a player in any team sport can win "a ring" on their own--they have little impression on me. How many does Barkley have? or, say, SteveNash....There are several Atlanta Braves who only have one ring and were the most dominant player of the time...How many rings does Hank Aaron have?? Pete Rose only has two with that FAMOUS Big Red Machine he played on and he was one of the greatest hitters of all time. ...and I could name many others as examples. The ring count thing is a childish argument...conversely--there are players with a grip of rings who people cant even name. Do, I really need to explain this? So, NO--the amount of rings is what it's all about when sizing up a player's career....again Charles Barkley perfect example..or Chipper Jones-what does he have? One, I think?? anywayssss
@@markfrost2707 championships and titles are the Crown Jewels in any sport. Titles are why we participate in sport. All of those players you named are great players in their own right. However, if you ask any one of them, who among them would not prefer to have “ champion” added to their résumé? The Boston Celtics record for most championship rings are still making an impression as arguably the greatest teams ever in the nba. Bottom line, Derek J was a difference maker on those Yankee teams.
I know it was just a compilation of his errors, but a majority of those plays are routine. I don’t see what made those such a difficult play for him to make.
Totally. Its not like he had a lot of deep hole plays where "eh that's tough and he was rushed", no no, he had a ton of cans of corn he let the ears hit the ground
But likeee.. He’s had 5000+ ground balls hit in his direction? (approx) there’s a lot of footage of him making errors, probably more than most people in his era..
@@ifheavenwashuman he was definitely a great player. Very overrated defensively. But I feel that everyone knows this now so it’s not true anymore (him being overrated). During his career for sure
We probably wouldn’t care much about Jeter today if he was on pretty much any other team. His stats wouldn’t have been the same but still would have been one of the best hitters of his day, but his fame for sure wouldn’t be anywhere near the same level that it was while he was playing or after retirement.
Its interesting to watch this after watching "The Captain" on ESPN. You're obviously right about the defensive metrics but they represent an overall career on the field, most of the time he did show up when it mattered and that's what people remember. He was also consistent - its not easy to play 20 years without any serious injuries (until the end). Also, being on the Yankees during the time he was on the team helped gloss over any deficits of his, had be played 20 years on say the Orioles there is a 0% chance he would have been a first ballot HOFer. Perception and timing are everything. And a lifetime .310 average doesn't hurt either.
Absolutely this. As a mariners fan it was absolutely frustrating to watch Edgar Martinez have to wait 10 years to make it to the HOF because he played DH, even though they named an award after him, only for Ortiz to make it first ballot
0% chance? 3000 hits anyone? What is it with you numbnuts on this planet? Cal Ripken was first ballot HOFer and didn't he play for the Orioles? The stupidity is mind-boggling. But really it's bias and hate for the Yankees and it blinds your common sense
I really hope your channel blows up. You do such great work. My son doesn’t even follow baseball and he watched your videos. Idk if you’re taking requests right now during the strike but I think Barry Bonds would be a piece.
Hasn’t this channel already blown up? I mean, only a year and a half ago there was a few thousand subscribers, mostly from the first Greinke video Now he’s got literally a hundred times that many
I've gotten flamed so many times by saying that Derek Jeter was a terrible defensive Shortstop, even with the advanced metrics available. The man was terrible defensively, but people tunnel on his few big plays. Thank you for this video lol
What is infuriating about that is that all of the analysts that view the advanced metrics as the end all be all, go out of their way to avoid acknowledging this. Somehow metrics apply to every other player on the planet, but never him
@@stevenhempel2311 he definitely would have served better in a dh or corner outfield role, but I don’t think it would have helped in 04 against Boston. He was pretty dismal at the plate in that series too. Under .200 avg for the series. Even in The 19-8 game 3, he was 1-7. 04 was just Boston’s year. The normally untouchable Rivera showed that he was human just as much as jeter did
@@beerdude1878 who knows maybe a-rod would've been more confident if he was at SS and Jeter himself was at a less demanding position. Depends on the psychology of the player in the end but they were already up 3-0 so who knows what could've made up a 1 game difference
Okay to be fair that time he was elected to the all star game was because it was his last season. They do that with basically every legendary player who’s retiring at the end of the season.
No we’re saying that he was one of the best contact hitters ever, best clutch player EVER and made the defensive plays when it counted. Always. You guys love the numbers but fail to see bigger picture far too often. He did the most important thing in baseball at an exceptional level and when it counted. He’s like say, Carmelo if he was a 5 time NBA champion and finals mvp
debuted perfect time, not great but consistent and healthy, had a good team rarely got bad press, no controversy, iconic moments best seasons offensively were 98, 99, 04, 06, 09 his best defensive seasons although still bad were 98, 04, 09 got top 3 mvp voting 3 times 98,06,09. 06 was closest year to mvp ask any random person during his playing days who their fav player was most of the time it was derek jeter i knew some very old coach, he said he liked jeter cos of the way he played the game
@@philithegamer8265The coach loved jeter because he was a baseball man and knew what it took to win ballgames. Stat nerds and haters can cry in their beer but the yanks don’t win 5 championships without Derek Jeter. And you can’t win 5 championships with a butcher up the middle, so his “poor defense” is completely overblown.
No. Jeter had a knack of hitting in the clutch, especially in his earlier years. He finished his career with more than 3,000 hits during an era in which he was one of only a few players who did not cheat by resorting to taking steroids. Jeter was a winner, from his rookie year, the Yankees won a lot since he joined the team, and he was a big part of that. Also, you will not find many who were as classy as he was.
Every player that plays a position like SS ages and slows down when they play as long as Jeter. So yes there was regression in the field as he aged but he also made some memorable solid plays over the years.
He was bad when he was younger too....this wasn't from age or injuries, he's just a terrible defensive ss. Great hitter and I'm sure a great guy but by defensive metrics, he's one of the worst defenders to ever play...any position. He had a -152 drs in his career, that's the lowest ever recorded since it became a stat. Only player close to that bad was Hanley Ramirez and his drs was only a -72 😂 Jeter is legit one of the worst defensive players ever in baseball, no changing my mind.
there was no major regression, his numbers weren't that great to begin with. his highest HR total was 25, and he hit over 100 rbi only one season. I agree his invaluable to the team in other areas, but his production is not what you expect from an all time great.
Man, imagine getting slammed by Derek Jeter's power rod, leaving the next morning and getting a giftbag with signed baseballcards from his love dungeon. A true inspiration for us all
I think it’s more of the fact we underrated other players such as Barry Larkin who played in a smaller market Cincinnati. But winning in NY is different gravy. I mean Eli’s numbers aren’t that great but 2 rings against Tom Brady and 2 clutch drives are going to get him in the hall. Joe Namath literally has more picks than TDs but he’s in the HOF for winning with the Jets and honestly winning a SB with the Jets might be the most impossible thing ever. But back to Jeter as a Yankee fan I liked A Rod better I thought he was a better SS at the time but obviously Jeter was never going to move. Jeter was definitely overrated defensively but he made plays when they needed to be made and like you said keeping that squeaky clean image while being the face of a NY franchise for 20 years is extremely impressive.
@@tugboat6940 A-Rod wasn’t “obviously better”. He relied on PEDs, essentially playing the game on easy while jeter was playing on expert. A-Rod struggled with pop flies and was never clutch, aside from 2009.
Jeter is my all time favorite. I always expected him to be moved to right field in the latter half of his career, after Paulie retired. His great instincts, read, arm, jump, and ability to go back on a ball would have enabled him to play fairly shallow in the small Yankee right field when his range wasn't good anymore. And he would not have missed 2 cuttoff men like Shane Spencer did, so his iconic play in the post season would not have been necessary.
@@philithegamer8265 Yeah, Jeter with his 3,500 hits and 5 championships was picked to be a winner by the media. He didn’t get there on his own. Jeter haters will say ANYTHING. 😂
He was the Yankees. The Yankees were not winning anything before he arrived. His rookie season in 1996 changed everything. He was the leader of the team from day one.
As a Red Sox fan, I have to say.....he's not overrated at all. That guy was the heart and soul of that franchise, and, while he may not have been a generational talent, his leadership and presence was always a threat. Baseball isn't just about numbers. The A.L. or N.L. All star team may not be able to win 80 games, if they couldn't gel. Jeter led his squad. Every day.
Maybe things appear different down here at my lowly level of prestige, but if I was good enough to make an MLB team’s top 5 choices for short stop I would shout this news out from the nearest mountain top and then call my Mom to hear how proud she is and get my little brother to retake his spot as the black sheep of the family
I will always love Derek Jeter I don’t care what anybody says. I will agree he sucks as a GM. But as a player, statistics aside. When the game is on the line you want him up every time. Statistics don’t tell the whole story.
Facts also he played in a city were u have a ton of pressure. If anyone begs to differ than explain what happened to lindor. Overrall he was a great player just not a good GM.
I'm a Boston Red Sox fan but I'm not about to tear apart the Yankees.They have some of the best players of all-time a great fan base like us and the most championships!! I don't like the Yankees but I respect them..Thankyou
Jeter made every play he had to make on defense I never got this argument against him. Watching him for all those years I didn’t see him not make plays on balls he should have until the latter stages of his career.
@@jmad627 I disagree on him not being a spectacular player. He is a virtual highlight real for big plays in big moments. Maybe you used the wrong word?
@@boki1693 maybe spectacular is the wrong word. But he was no Ozzie Smith or Rey Ordoñez who made spectacular plays but muffed routine ground balls every once in awhile. Jeter brought things to the Yanks that can’t be measured by a metric. Winning is the only metric that really counts to me at the end of the day. And Derek, as a player, was a winner.
Anyone who watched Derek Jeter play in this era of Rey Ordonez, Barry Larkin, Omar Vizquel, Nomar Garciaparra and even A-rod know that Derek Jeter looked the least like a shortstop defensively than all of them.
You put Jeter in another uniform, he's still a HoF, but not overrated. An elite hitter but is very much overrated with the glove, he was decent but probably not the multi gg winner he is
He wasn’t decent. He was awful defensively. And was really only an elite hitter in 4 or 5 seasons out of his 20 year career. Don’t get me wrong he’s a deserving hall of famer but he’s a top 75-100 player and people act like he’s top 20
@@AidanCulverREAL He's 94th all-time in career WAR, yet still received the highest HOF vote % of any position player ever. That's ridiculously overrated.
never understood all the love the dude got, he wasn't even a passable fielder at his position, and if not in pinstripes he'd have been a subpar hitter as well
Okay come on, even if you hate the guy for whatever reason, claiming he’d be considered offensively "subpar" anywhere is lunacy. Overrated, most definitely. A subpar hitter, most definitely not.
@@0neFamily read what I said. if he hadn't been wearing pinstripes and getting slanted calls for it his entire career he would have never been on the level he was.
@@theunwelcome Jesus Christ, people that make that kind of argument are truly baffling. It has literally no factual basis. When I say he was overrated but definitely not subpar, there are statistics that back it up. He was a shit defender with little power, but he had an adjusted OPS of 115 and offensive WAR that compare with or exceed other hall of fame shortstops. Which helps overcome his deficiencies. That means he was a consistently productive hitter for almost 20 years, making preferential treatment being the cause for that success extremely unlikely if not comically absurd.
@@0neFamily thank you for actually having a brain. Like we’re going to disregard Jeter being one of the best hitting shortstop the game has seen. Life time batting average of .310 & a career OBP of .377 and just credit his success to him being on the Yankees. “If he wasn’t in the Yankees he wouldn’t be as good” type of argument is that??? LOL. People hate on greatness man, it’s a shame
@@millionaire2268 He's 94th all-time in career WAR, yet still received the highest HOF vote % of any position player ever. That's ridiculously overrated.
From 96-09, I'd say he was in his prime, afterwards not so much. You forget to mention this part at 9:26, keep in mind I don't know if it's true as I saw it online years ago but after watching this video, I'd say it definitely has some merit: _My friend's cousin dated Derek Jeter for a while and had keys to his apartment. According to the story she entered one day to find him butt ass naked on his couch watching highlights of himself and bumping his chest with his fist saying "YEAH JEETS, YEAH JEETS"._
It's a funny story, but most likely bullshit. Jeter was known not to watch any baseball. As soon as the game was over, he turned off his baseball switch. Basically, he was the anti-A-Rod. Jeter didnt have time to watch a game he already played in, he had to get some prime trim.
@@philithegamer8265 Soooo, let me get this straight, you're taking the word of some random poster's, friend's cousin and holding it as gospel?. Uhhhhhh....BWHAAAAHAA!! Dude, I need a bit more to buy that story. You dont apparently. I played with Jeter in the minors. I bet you believed that too. Bwahaa!!
As a lifelong Red Sox fan my motto was I hate the uniform not the player. Jeter while he may have not been Omar Visquel with the glove. He was a reliably solid middle infielder. A good defensive team makes the routine play look routine. That’s Jeter in a nutshell. So while it’s easy to pick apart his defensive metric. The guy was nails and played his azz off. So I tip my cap to him and admire the manner in which he carried himself on and off the field. Where is he in the pantheon of the greats? That’s irrelevant. His lifetime stats and the 5 rings, of which he played a pivotal role speak volumes.
I admire the balls on that lone nameless writer who didn't vote to make Jeter a 1st ballot unanimous hall of famer. Like a star on the walls of the CIA headquarters in Langley that writer will never be known, but his sacrifice to this nation will never be forgotten.
I don’t think Jeter is overrated, I do agree his defense was suspect BUT…..he made great plays in big moments, was a pesky hitter a very good base runner. His hitting improved year after year always ran up pitch counts. I think making a video on just one aspect of his game is dishonest. How many players out there are 3 tool players….not many but he was a GREAT player in a competitive era especially in the east and played the game with everything he had. That’s why he is a hall of fame caliber player.
Jeter is also one of the greats because of his consistency and longevity. To hit .310 for an ENTIRE 20 year career is already insane. He was 38 years old and led MLB in hits, that just shows the raw ability he had. And he continued his success in the postseason, the moment never got too big for him. Like I’m baffled people call him overrated it’s ridiculous.
@@coltsyanx1615 Singles are the most cheap are you kidding? Bunts. Hitting the bag weirdly. Hitting the mound. Glove deflections. Choppers. Bloopers. There absolutely is such a thing as a cheap hit and announcers talk about it all the time.
The confidence you gotta have to be nicknamed “Marlins Man” and look straight into a camera and call Scarlett Johansson, Jessica Alba and Mariah Carry’s ex boyfriend a “virgin”
He is definitely overrated I used to call him golden boy because his good boy image made the MLB and Yankees boat loads of money and got people in the stadium
Dude you called it! Jeter is stepping down as CEO of the Marlins.
Eventually, he'll wind up back with the Yankees. The only question is in what capacity.
Lol you’ve got to be kidding me….
Apparently he wanted Nick Castellanos and Sherman said no. That's the rumor at the stadium
Psalms 23:4
@Jackson he wanted to start spending and ownership was being cheap
Around the time that Derek Jeter was making headlines for getting more base hits than any other New York Yankee in history, The Onion printed an article pointing out that Jeter still had fewer hits than "journeyman" player Harold Baines. The article was intended to take Derek Jeter down a peg, yet he was so revered that I ultimately believe that this widely published Onion article was directly responsible for getting Harold Baines inducted into the Hall of Fame.
Baines was a great player. I don't think journeyman is an apt description for him. And most likely he didn't receive 75% of a Hall of Fame vote, because of an Onion article.
@@NGVP2 well, it was the onion that called him a journeyman...so the fact that you are disagreeing with a tongue in cheek take from the onion tells me that you must be pretty stupid
The Onion? lmao!
Harold Baines is a hall of famer.
I know it's The Onion, but Jeter wound up with 3400+ hits, and Harold Baines retired with... zero rings.
Glad Baines is in the HOF though. 6x all star and an excellent player.
ESPN ranking him higher than Albert Pujols on the all time greats list was a joke.
Yeah. Even Yankees fans know that.
@@scoutisabelle pujols was a great defensive first baseman
Yeah I’m a Jeter lover. He’s my all time favorite. Pujols is better than him. Period.
"Pujols also only ever recorded negative defensive runs saved at first base after he turned 36 years old. It took Pujols FIFTEEN YEARS to become a below-average fielder at first base. Jeter, on the other hand, recorded a negative defensive runs saved at shortstop in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, and 2014. The only reason there aren’t more years listed is because, as I said earlier, defensive runs saved wasn’t a measured statistic until 2003. However, Jeter also recorded a negative Total Field Runs Above Average at shortstop in 1995, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, and 2002." From the article I read
his career uzr is 63.1
Don't forget that the All Star game was a popularity contest for many years, and even Gold Gloves were given out for the same reason before the metrics became used. Jeter was such an icon from 1996-2005 that most people simply ignore the defensive mediocrity. He was one of the greatest offensive players of all time and his leadership and championship performance will always make him a great player. I think his hitting ability (I remember the name Captain Clutch) kept him relevant long after his defense should have made him a 3rd baseman or even a DH. I'll ignore the Marlins stuff as this isn't his career as a player, sp I cannot ever consider Jeter as the most overrated EVER because he was a bad defender. The other accomplishments and championships far overshadow that. There are far too many overhyped and overrated players in baseball that I don't think it's fair to bash Jeter because the media failed to go after him, or that he had feuds with ARod. He'd have to be bad all around for his whole career to be the most overrated.
but....that's what this story is about. If he's just a good batter he plays in the American League where they literally have a position that does only that.
I think you're overrating him as an offensive player. Quite a few just from his era alone that put up better numbers.
exactly, he took away time from deserving young players.
lol on my sons daughter we can get down foo
Defensive mediocrity? More like defensive ass-ity.
To quote the great foolish Bailey. “Derek jeter isn’t overrated, everybody else is just underrated.”
As it is
@@thongsipper It's just wordplay to say he's overrated
@@thongsipper no, it means that Jeter is a top 100 player of all time, but many others are better and deserve his popularity
@@gianlucalogan1941 there's literally 2500 better players statistically but please, do continue to ride
@@LittleQueue nah he has pretty much the same stats as Barry Larkin offensively, the only difference is that Larkin played pre-steroid era and Jeter didn’t so the advanced comparisons favor Larkin, and they are both rightfully hall of famers
In 2002, I went to a Yankee-Angels game in Anaheim. Mind you, this was the year the Angels won the World Series. I am not exaggerating when I saw there were more #2 Yankee jerseys in the stands than Angel jerseys.
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Not surprised. The MLB built him and showcased him as "the chosen one" the good looking angel child for the most popular team in baseball history. If he was an Oriole, a Blue Jay, a Royal, etc...he wouldve already been forgotten about and definitely would NOT have ANY gold gloves lol or world series, obviously
California fans are pretty fickle. Most would rather support popular teams than their home teams. Look at the NFL in LA
@@fantasyEXX I live in California, Been to a few both Angels and Dodgers game involving both Yankees and Red Sox, and I am sure homeboys from East LA or blonde Valley girls sure don’t look like New Yorkers or Bostonians.
@@fantasyEXX Exactly. Southern California is full transplants, people from other parts of the country who still support their hometown team. NFL is also different because L.A. didn’t have a football team of its own for twenty years. Now we have two, including one we didn’t ask for whose real fans are still down in San Diego.
He is overrated, but mostly because of his defense. He was a fantastic hitting shortstop for nearly two decades of his career and contributed to five title teams. He played a lot of postseason games and put up even better hitting numbers in the postseason. There's a lot of extra hype playing for Yankees, but he earned his Hall of Fame induction.
I do get annoyed, though, that he essentially won five gold gloves because he dove into the stands one time. It's no coincidence that Jeter won his first gold glove in the same season he made that highlight reel catch.
Agree. He belongs in Cooperstown, but there’s no way he was the best fielding SS in the AL for 5 straight years, or 7 of 10. It just shows how much inertia plays into GG voting.
The gold glove became meaningless in 1999 after Rafael Palmeiro won it for first base while only starting 25 games at first.
He was a very good defensive SS. But, then his natural transition to 3B got blocked and he stayed at SS way too long. Add that to his loss in arm strength after the shoulder injury, he was never the same. Prior to the shoulder injury he was a great SS.
The defensive metrics are frankly BS (I am a data analyst in another industry). Don't believe me? Figure out how similar metrics, or even the same "named" metric from different sources (e.g. fangraph vs baseball reference) can call the same player great and terrible at the same time. There is a lot more work to do to be able to rely on defensive metrics. And to go back and apply those metrics to players that played before the metric was in place is even sillier.
@@MCWormGuy Fair enough, there's a ton of noise in defensive metrics. One metric can be high on a guy while another can be lukewarm. But in Jeter's case? You get consensus that he's not so good. The culprit seems to be lack of range, which traditional stats like range factor seem to agree with.
Grantland had a terrific longform piece on Jeter that I think explains things well.
@@mrmacross I understand your perspective, but saying Jeter had a lack of range screams recency bias, and is already accounted for. Yes, I agree, he frankly had terrible range the last few years. But his range was not terrible his entire career. For at least the first 10 years of his career (age 20 to 30) he had above average range, especially to his right. If he was allowed to transition, as virtually every other SS in history has had to do, especially of his physical profile, he would be thought of as a good defensive SS.
Derek Jeter is probably the most fortunate baseball player ever, had he been on any other team nobody would be talking about him today and making documents about him, I say he was fortunate because he was on that 90s Yankees dynasty and had some classic moments in an already great team and I’m Yankees fan but even I can see it.
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Derek Jeter is a clown
The Yankees were a powerhouse largely because of jeter. They didn’t win for 18 years before he got there and they haven’t won since he left. He is the only HOF in that lineup, aside from an on the decline Tim Raines and Wade Boggs who was there only for the first championship.
Jeter was a great offensive player, no doubt, but defensively he was below average especially for a HOFer. This is a fact.
@@timmyg831 That is not a fact. That is revisionist history. Go back and watch some games from earlier in his career. He goes to the 2B side of SS to field balls, despite 20 something year old nerds who never saw him play and never played themselves saying that he had no range. He almost always played with bad second basemen earlier in his career. If you have two guys up the middle who can’t field, you don’t win. He was a solid SS who always rose to the occasion. Find me the games that the yanks lost due to Jeter’s defense.
I watched Jeter play for the single A Greensboro Hornets in '93. The Hornets were a customer where I worked and we got free tickets all the time so I went to a lot of games. Jeter led the South Atlantic League in errors that year but was a good batter. He was the Yankees top prospect but, after watching him for a whole season, I was pretty sure he wasn't going to make it to the big leagues. A few years later I got to watch Ruben Rivera (the guy who stole Jeter's glove) play center field for the Hornets. Ruben was the real deal. He had the strongest arm I've ever seen in the majors or minors and a powerful bat. It got to the point where, if there was a fly ball to center with a runner tagging up on 3rd, I knew the runner was going to be out before the ball even touched Ruben's glove. If you told me then that one of these guys would be in the HOF, I would have bet on it being Ruben before Derek.
oof
I think stealing on the job usually gets you fired lol
And you wouldn't be alone in this evaluation. Rivera had tools that made scouts drool. Absolutely massive, but unreached potential.
“Into Death Valley! It goes right over his glove! He missed it! But Ruben Rivera missed second base! Now he’s heading for third and they’re gonna throw him out by plenty, but the throw to third is botched! Now he’s heading home! It’s a loose ball on the infield. And he’s out by five feet at the plate. And that was the worst baserunning in the history of the game!”
Ahh...and that's what makes baseball different. It's only sport where you can take a kid with very good skill and bad fundamentals over someone with great skill and great fundamentals because the former is a HOFer and the other isn't. The latter hit his ceiling. Its billy beane and Lenny Dykstra from moneyball. More often than not, the competition change between AAA and majors is something guys who have been great in HS can't deal with. Jeff franceour comes to mind.
Jeter spent his career in a great line up, with great players around him and he made the most of every opportunity and never let the fans down.
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I mean isnt that the goal. Not letting the fans down.
Other players have had opportunities like Jeter…but few ever get in the same level. Jeter had the intangibles and skill to make the most of every opportunity he got.
@@greggately5782 except for on DEFENSE
@@Showtime_Inc did you see me say anything about his defense? Though, Jeter does hold some of the best highlights of all time on DEFENSE. Just search ‘Jeter’s best defensive plays’, I don’t even need to say what they are.
For what it’s worth…..I like him and he’s one of the reasons this British guy started watching baseball and fell in love with it.
What did you like about him
I think that’s a really important part of who he was, when you look around the league and see how many shortstops want to wear #2, it’s easy to see the inspiration he had on so many young fans. Absolutely class act
Jeter is a legend and one of the best hitters of his generation.
@@ianrotheroe2540 shoot, their bitter rival’s shortstop (Boegaerts) wears #2 because of Jeter
He's an excellent contact hitter who was an ideal face of the franchise.
😂First week as Marlins CEO he traded their top 5 batters in the lineup😂
1. D Gordon
2. Ozuna
3. Yelich
4. Stanton
5. Realmuto
That lineup wouldve been a top 8 lineup at that time and possibly playoff bound
Thank you. That was a great squad we had here and he sold it like everyone that’s been in miami.
@@GBMM7 like I'm thinking, he probably wanted them to disappear 💀
They were top 3. Only the astros and rockies were better.
Trading Stanton was genius. His contract was horrible and so is he for the last few years.
@@TheGodYouWishYouKnewhe was in his prime when he was traded
He’s in Cooperstown for base running and being one of the most clutch hitting SSes of all time. Only six people in the history of baseball have more hits than Jeter. He’s literally the anti-Ozzie Smith, a player with a dominant glove who worked hard to improve into a feared contact hitter, while Jeter had the bat and though he was never a good defender he did have a few memorable plays now and then. Didn’t deserve those GGs though, I agree.
Except Ozzie Smith was elite of the elite as a defender. Jeter was not on an equivalent level as a hitter.
@@AidanCulverREAL really? How many players have more hits than Jeter?
@@goblinsarereal4954 how many players played as long as Jeter? Most guys would have been benched way earlier
@@AidanCulverREAL right before he hurt his leg in the playoffs against the tigers he was on pace to breaking Pete roses hit record
Nahhh jeter was not an elite hitter. Great hitter but not elite look at his obp% and slg%.
The Marlins man thing was weird…that dude needs to evaluate a few things!
Fax. I always get annoyed when I see him
The guy is probably beyond insufferable
Marlins Man seems like a person that is detached from reality. No one actually cares about him that doesn't know him. Just kind of a gimmicky guy where u go, "Oh hey its that guy with the orange jersey."
You're commentating on youtube. you need to evaluate a few things.
@@jonathansykes4986 Marlins man burner
11:00 it drives me crazy when people say that this catch was on a “foul ball” go back and watch the video and pause when the ball hits his glove, it’s a fair ball, by 10 feet, his momentum took him into the stands, but he caught the ball in fair territory. He robbed what would have been a double at a crucial point in that game.
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Does it even matter if it was fair or not? He got the out and that's that.
So one great play makes him a great defender?
@@alwillk no but if it's the most important play of your career, you could be marketed as a great defender (a lot of sports are like that)
So in other words, he didn't NEED to dive into the stands at all. Showmanship.
He was a great player, but because he was the face of the Yankees during their return to glory, he was elevated by the NY media and ESPN, and marketed by MLB at a level that was ludicrously disproportionate to his stats. If Jeter wasn't a Yankee, but had the exact same stats, he wouldn't have won gold gloves and he would've had maybe a few all-star games with no starts.
You are outta your mind.. It’s not all about stats
@@mikereidjr4955 lol
@@mikereidjr4955 But it pretty much is all about the stats, if the stats perfectly reflect reality. We are not there yet, but much closer than we used to be. Baseball is all about 2 things: creating runs and preventing runs. You cannot win any other way. And we can pretty accurately determine how much a player does of each of those 2 things.
He was very sure handed. As much as anyone. He gave everything he had. He was like a Pete rose. Winner. Clutch. Charged the slow roller very well. Caught balls over his his very well. Didn't have good range. But let's be honest, a lot of jealous haters out there. Most Yankee fans liked him at short. I think the fans opinion means a lot.
Dude he had 8 seasons of 200+ hits and another four with 188+ hits. All time post season hits leader. Number 10 all time for life time average by a right handed batter after ww2. Number 6 in ALL TIME hits. He hit .481 in the All Star game. In what world is he not starting on the all star team? His last year was maybe the only year he made the team with sub par stats and he had 2 hits in that game. Sure they blew up his stature some but not nearly as much as you would like to pretend. Also, he played his entire career in NY. have seen how many players can't handle playing in NY in any sport? And this dude thrived here.
Just to clarify about "Mickey Mantle was banned by baseball" comment, Mantle and Willie Mays had both signed contracts after retirement with a Las Vegas casino largely as gladhanders to shake hands and sign autographs at various casino events. Commissioner Kuhn decided to ban them because they were technically being paid by a gambling business. The media criticized Kuhn for this and, when Kuhn was replaced by Peter Ueberroth, the new commish quickly reinstated the two stars.
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Thanks for bringing that up. When I heard that in the video I shook my head. Nothing to do with a scandal, just a job greeting people at a casino after retiring. Kuhn was an idiot.
Reinstated them after they quit their casino jobs. The real hypocrisy comes from their deals with FanDuel and DraftKings.
@@billm5462 How about saying Kuhn was right to ban them?
@@williegordon9188 He wasn't right, like I said he was an idiot. They weren't playing baseball, they were retired and should be able to take any job they want.
It makes me happy advance metrics label Jeter as a bad defender, cause I caught hell for saying it in my youth
That just proves that advanced metrics are a joke
@@jcpg9592 ?? No if anything it proves how unbiased they are and how helpful to the game advanced stats can be
@@jdstevens3478 Helpful to the game? Like making major leaguers think that baseball is enjoyable if you do nothing but take walks and strike out for 5 hours straight, never stealing, bunting or doing anything that might be slightly enjoyable to watch? Right, very helpful
@@liamhohertz4807 actually they do. The "metrics" now tell teams, by the magic powers, that it is a waste to bunt and steal and to try to make contact, so taking pitches right down the middle and then striking out is the best option. The Dead ball Era was more fun than this rancid trash
@@jcpg9592 watching teams lose and give away outs bunting or getting caught stealing isn't super enjoyable either
Jeter was really good for the Yankees for both morale and team spirit. It’s not a metric that gets measured but is hugely impctful to any team.
So is costing ur team 162 runs.
Yeah but you can have a player that helps morale and spirit and is still a game changer for their team on the field - look at basically any Cardinals star in franchise history.
@@darrylbunch6929 you act like he’s the only person to do that
@@DrezdenJames he literally is
@@mambaforever3486 stfu he wasn’t bruh search it up wym😭😭
What do you know, he stepped down as CEO from the Miami Marlins just now.
I wonder if he watched this video and just said "that's it, I'm out."
This is the video that finished him off.
The prick came in ruined our hope our stadium our radio announcers and our uniforms and left.
Damage already done
I’m a diehard Yankee fan and I loved this video. You shed some light on things I’ve never thought of before and brought a great perspective that I’ve never seen. He is a Hall of Famer but he was not the best SS. He was clutch and a great leader and earned and sustained his respect
I’m a diehard Red Sox fan. I’ve got TONS of respect for Jeter. And that’s saying a lot because generally I don’t have respect for a Yankee. Derek deserved to be an icon, regardless of his defense. Only other player that’s earned my respect like Jeter did is Aaron Judge. I also like Jeter because he beefed with A-rod lmao. I hope you enjoy this season bro
@@Ok-dm1ck ya all I did was look at his stats, career .310 hitter with 3500 hits. Done. Easy. No debate. Defensively, he had an above average fielding percentage. That's good enough for me.
@@toms8483 nah he’s not a good enough defender, but hell yeah he could hit. -162 DRS is all you have to look at for defense
@@Ok-dm1ck lol a stats only guy
@@user-nj1zu2nf1x the guy above him literally looked at the stats and said stats only 😂😂 but because the second guy used stats you didn’t like you come at him for it
Both things can be true. He can be a good Ss AND an overrated player. If he was in KC, Oakland or even St Louis he would have had a hard time getting this level of press. Additionally, he benefitted greatly from the teammates around him. Not that its fully minimized but I think its discounted heavily. But yeah dude is not a great overall SS
But he was a garbage ss, no one is saying he's good
You can say he would've been better without the NY press hounding him
@@Shinobi33 Some people are able to deal with that just fine. The point is, he had the priciest & most juiced teammates around, & wouldnt have won anything if he were anywhere else. He wasnt even the best SS on his own team lmfao hes a slap hitter whos terrible at the position he played
@@akimboslice9867 he's wasn't a slap hitter. He also he had years when he didn't play with other stars. And when he did he was still the best player on sone of those teams
@@Shinobi33 just not true. He always played with stars and was rarely the best player on his own team.
The fact the Marlins really made up with marlin man is hilarious to me 😂
It’s such a bizarre chapter in baseball history I love it
lol u a mark foo lets get down
He was a really GOOD player. However, I always said “if Derek Jeter played on the Chicago White Sox, nobody would know who the fuck he was”
Yes, I am a white Sox fan.
@@Etm2187 I don't know Cal Ripken got this same treatment though and for the 2nd half of his chasing Lou Gehrig (or at least the last 3rd) he wasn't really that great a player but he had the same Jeter treatment.
I don't think people realize how those iconic plays seep into the minds of fans and harden a single idea for them. Jeter made that one play against the A's and that iconic jump through and I had one of the most brilliant co-workers who was a virtual God when it came to IT and systems, and just an unbelievably reasonable guy, but if you tried to argue that Jeter was not a great defender, he would lose his mind.
We used to love teasing him by saying "we didn't realize his name was Derek, I thought his first name was Past a Diving"
Yeah those 3400 hits would make him invisible. If your the number 6 all time in hits, your more than a GOOD player. Hmm, ever hear of someone called Kirby Puckett or Rod Carew? They played for the Twins all the way up in Minnesota. Yet if your a baseball fan you certainly heard of them. Hmm, Jim Thome in Cleveland. Robin Yount, Paul Monitor. Milwaukee.
Just love it when people say stupid things without any thought to try and prove their point.
In this scenario does he also collect 3000 hits. Because that's not an easy thing to do and people would take notice of it
@@angelcanez4426 Just a bunch of haters that want to accentuate the bad and negate the good.
Houston Astros passed on him in the draft. I am sure if he would’ve been drafted by then. Both Jeter and The Astros would’ve been in a totally different place.
In the interview with Jeter and A rod Jeter made it awkward and you can tell A-rod was trying to save the interview
A Rod def gave it some effort...Jeter was like nah...f this dude haha. Awkward af but still funny to watch
In Jeter's defense, Rodriguez is the fakest person in baseball.
do you guys work for a-roids pr firm?
@@sandfish4 How did you know
@@kingtacogod3327 because no-one actually likes a-roid- he pays for friends lol
"Derek Jeter is by *far* the single worst player who has ever lived." -Alex Rodriguez, probably
A-Rod is worse he cheated wore baggy uniforms my bro in law loved Jeter n NY I told him 15 years ago A-Rod is hiding something under that baggy uniform
@@EnigmaticAristaWings9798 A Rod was twice the shortstop jeter was and played half of his career there.
@@Hacksaw_HIM_Thuggin AROD was way better they almost could have had the same life
A-Fake, that’s one guy that won’t be going to Cooperstown.
OVO Bret Hart because he was on roids
Ruth and Gehrig were friends from when Gehrig debuted till Ruth retired as Ruth disrespected his mother and made up when Gehrig retired because of ALS so saying they were only enemies is completely wrong
Sure he wasn’t the best SS of his era, but when we needed him to come up big, he almost always did.
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He wasn't the best ss on his team.
@@armandofajardo4965 let’s not forget that he wasn’t on steroids like most other ppl...
It just seems like he was. He came up big in some famous moments but that’s the thing, it’s not many. Since they’re such famous plays they’re played over and over which makes it seem more common.
How many runs did New York allow on balls that a good shortstop fields, but Jeter couldn't even touch?
He was always the face of the Yankees during a great run. However most of championships came when he wasn’t the leader (he was a young player then). The leaders of those championship teams was more tino, O’Neill, and rivera
I wouldn’t even say Rivera was a leader. They’re locker room leaders were Pauly O, Tino, Jorge, and CC.
Lol he had a World Series MVP and is called Mr November what are you talking about.
This is a joke right?
@@curtisgraham6290 He wasn't *that* impactful in the postseason, dude. He's not David Ortiz.
How disrespectful of you to not mention Bernie Williams
Jeter is the famous guy that also plays baseball. He’s usually a casual favorite player but I never met someone who said Jeter was their favorite and knew what OPS is.
And I’ve never met a baseball fan who knew the difference between there, their, and they’re.
@@j.g.mcbell9494 your lying to you’reself
@@j.g.mcbell9494 aw he hurt your feelings?
I mean his OPS was still pretty decent for someone who wasn’t a power hitter
that first sentence couldn't be anymore true.
Derek Jeter did the same thing with the Marlins as the previous owner did back after they won their world series title. The owner back then knew that with revenue sharing he can make money no matter how bad his team actually is. So he cut all of his all stars and had an average ticket sale of less then 6k per game. He still made millions and sold the team to also make millions.
Ya I remember those Miggy and Dontrell Willis Marlins and was watching live when that Cubs fan tried to catch that ball lol
He didn’t make much on a 4% stake bud 😂 y’all always act like they own the whole thing being a name on the board
Count purchase price and what he got for his 4% it’s like he was never even there on community service he profited 0 bud it’s not hard to see.
4% of the initial purchase price is 48 million guess what they gave him to leave? 48 million. If he got 4% profit share he got 4% of roughly 110 million that’s what ownership is bringing home roughly for a poor team like that with no real contracts
@@one7deep7savage7those guys were the World Series team and it was Steve Bartman the “bartman” ball was blown up finally 😂
This is gonna be hard for me to watch, but I love your channel and watch all videos. When I was in Jr. High and in special education classes I read his book, The Life You Imagine. That book inspired me and turned me from a F/D student into an A+ student. The next year I was moved into regular classes. DJ was the first person to make me feel I could do well in life.
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I unsubscribed after this video, Derek Jeter is the most underrated baseball player of all time. Played SS until he was 40 that will never be done again, played half of his career before analytics were a thing. Did everything in his power to win whether it was April or November. He’s your favorite shortstops favorite shortstop and anyone that slanders him should be thrown in prison
@@J__D__S Derek jeter sucks and so do you
Same here bud
You rock! You earned your success!!
The chicks this guy ran through alone should get him into some hall of fame somewhere.
Jeter just stepped down as CEO of the Marlins, the timing of this video is uncanny
@Fries As a Atlanta native that pays attention to the division I thought Miami outpaced expectations almost every season Jeter was CEO. Miami has no fanbase and the owners won’t spend. It was always gonna be a long haul to build a winning structure and coming from the big money Yanks I don’t think Jeter wanted to deal with that lack of cash.
Who cares about Jeter stepping down as CEO of the Marlins like that don't take away from his baseball actual skill...like some of ya is the reason why he don't talk to media now...dumb ass blogs 😒‼️
People forget why Jeter sold off the 5 best players. Stanton is a fantastic player but the marlins couldn't really afford him and the team wouldn't have been able to improve under that contract. While not all of the prospects worked out it's hard to rebuild a franchise with the reputation that they've had since their inception.
Most of them haven’t lived up to their hype/pay since leaving as well. Pretty important distinction to assess.
@@bobbyverdin7915 Um, Yelich won an MVP then finished 2nd in MVP voting the next year, Ozuna finished 6th in MVP voting in 2020, and Realmuto is a top 3 catcher in the league.
Jeter is the poster boy for Herpes
Exactly and he stepped down because they didn’t delivery on what they promised DJ. People always assume without researching. DJ wasn’t the greatest offensive SS player but he wasn’t the worst. He also made a lot of great plays as well especially when needed. He was a classy and charming guy. He never cheated and was a great player all around.
Marlins been doing that forever.... stockpiling cheap talent, rebuild, repeat
At 11:10 idk if it has been mentioned but the Yankees were down 2-0 in the series when the "Jeter flip" play happened (bottom 7th)which preserved the 1-0 lead which kept the Yankees from being swept and not actually being down 3-0 in the series.Nice Vid!
But giambi was very clearly safe
@@NoName-fo7mz Maybe if he slid,but thanks to him running his foot was elevated over the plate when tagged OUT
Pretty sure on that play he was supposed to be covering second.
@@robertledbetter3799 he was there, but he absolutely dashed over
Giambi's safe if he slides, and still out if the throw is direct to home. Time lost in the transition.
I really think you are overstating the amount of hate he's gotten during his marlins tenure. From what Ive read and how they've played i think he's done a fair job trying to rebuild after loria. Remember this org needed a complete gutting
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This guy overstates everything he's really not that good he's the tabloid version of video essays about sports.
I thought that same thing Jeter is one of the best in MLB he always came through is the biggest game's.
@@josephroessler3061 statistics are incredibly over rated as a way to determine a players ability on the field.
@goblins are real They aren't *everything*, but they are very accurate as a rule. I mean an Offensive WAR of 90+ is inner circle HOF level. The fact that even with his terrible defense (and it was terrible, every single defensive stat agrees he was awful, as does almost any non-yankees scout/pundit), he still managed a WAR better than the majority of HOF inductees is testament to just how ridiculous his offensive ability was
As a lifelong Red Sox fan, I have absolutely no use for the Yankees, and can’t consider myself a Jeter “fan” in any way. That said, I remember him as a clutch hitter who, in my lifetime m was only eclipsed by David Ortiz. He was the biggest reason they won 4 out of 5 championships.
No, the Yankees could've won back to back WS at that time without Jeter. Do you remember their roster? It was loaded to win postseason; Bernie Williams, Andy Petite, David Cone, Tino Martinez, Mariano Rivera, Joe Torre, etc. guys that are so good underpressure. I'll say this again, they didn't need him...
5 for7 in his career as well .
@@philithegamer8265 I guess you forgot who they played against. The Braves were a superior team and it wasn't close. Facts
@@frostbyte9871 The Braves were 1-4 in the World Series in the '90s.
Edgar Martinez was more clutch than both of them
Yes, he’s overrated but still a great player. I’m talking more about how the media fawned over him and that is because he was in the #1 market. He would be looked at as just a great player if he played his whole career in Milwaukee.
I lost respect for Jeter when he forced ARod to play 3B. ARod was clearly the better fielding SS with a better arm as Jeter should have moved to 2B. But Jeter’s ego wouldn’t relent so he had to finish his career at SS as he continued to lose range every year.
Yeah that’s why he’s a hall of famer 🤡
@marco jeter is HOF because his bat, not his glove.
Jeter was the Yankees SS and it was his team.. You don't ask the best player on the team to move over.. Dumb critique. And we saw what A-Rod was and was NOT.. Great reg season player (Cough Steroids galore) but a choker big time in the playoffs (Even with Roids).. Jeter was the Yankees..
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All time great defensive plays..
5 GG Awards.. Keep hating..
but did he take performance enhancing drugs like ARod?
7:33 - Ichiro once answered a question with, "I don't know. Ask a fortune teller." My mom and I agree that if A-Rod had said that, it would be a national story that would not go away for the rest of the year.
watched him since he broke in...if you watched him alot you'd know how great he was. he was a spark plug for the 96 team..then became a model of consistency as well as clutch play. his winning attitude kept the older players interested and the younger ones focused. . he is as great as advertised
Jeter was a clutch and consistent batter and a great leader, but his defense at SS was ass, he had no range and a weak arm, he should’ve played 2nd.
Doesn't change the fact he should never have played short stop in the mlb.
You’ll never convince haters and the “muh stats” people, even though his stats are awesome. Those defensive advanced metrics are straight made up bs.
"Called Derek Jeter a quote... 'virgin'" lmfao I laughed so hard at this
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Dude banged so many girls. LOL
let's be honest, if he spent his career with the Royals or Padres instead of NYY his name would be Derek Who?
Exactly. Hell he might have only lasted 8 years if he came up with the pads
Thank you! If it wasn't for networks like YES and Fox...they gave him the lime light on a national level
I've said the nearly the same thing for years, Maybe not "Derek who", but "Derek Good player"
if he spent his career with the royals or padres he'd a been mr royal or mr padre. sorry george and tony.
you probably don't know who george brett or tony gwynn are do you? lol
Calling a dude with the most post season hits, 6th all time in hits, some of the craziest plays by a shortstop and managed to stay healthy all that time is WILD! Let’s go Yankees!!
He made a routine play look good
Agreed 100%
Vizquel had a +50.8 UZR value compared to Jeter's -66.1
I would take Omar and get a Jeter to play DH.
I’d argue Jeter’s bat at SS is worth more than Omar Vizquel’s glove
Wouldn't even have to make him a DH. Move him to third or second and his defense goes to about average.
@yossarian which is why I give A-Rod credit for not being a baby about it despite the fact that he should've been the SS till at least 09-10. If Jeter didn't have as much clout in the organization as he did, Rodriguez could've easily kept his spot.
Hey, gotta keep Omar as a women respecter a lot more than Jeter's.
@yossarian must've been the gift baskets
He’s a champion, but A rod was the better shortstop. I remember in Jose Canseco’s book he claimed he was not on the juice for what that’s worth. Sometimes it’s just the position your in, kind of like Matthew staffford with the lions he wouldn’t of been a HOF without the organization.
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Bruh tf are you staying about Stafford lmao
@@fratrickmachomes5263 Stafford is one of my favorite players I always thought he was HOF material, but Detroit obviously held him back and probably wouldn’t get into the HOF if he stayed in Detroit. That’s coming from a lions fan, they would of been 2-14 every year if he didn’t play.
@@Supernono95 LOL
Jeter and Bernie Williams didn’t use steroids in an era when many players did.
If they had just put Jeter at 3rd and ARod at SS, we wouldn't even be having this conversation and the Yankees would have been an even better team.
If they left Arod at 3rd and put a Mini Cooper at SS and said "If you hit the Mini Cooper you're out" the Yankees would have been an even better team.
Duh.
If A-Rod could be clutch at any time aside from 2009 and could catch a pop fly; they would have been a better team. Jeter was never the reason when the yanks didn’t win. Never.
I saw Jeter make a lot of errors over the years. I never kept track. I figured all infielders make some errors. Didn’t realize he was making more than others.
he didnt have more errors..they say they track how an error cost the team.
@@markfrost2707 It wasn't that he made more eras. He was very surehanded. It was his range that came into question. Especially later in his career.
I notice you don't mention the 5 rings he has. Isn't that what its all about?
@@Abdul-qe9qq until a player in any team sport can win "a ring" on their own--they have little impression on me. How many does Barkley have? or, say, SteveNash....There are several Atlanta Braves who only have one ring and were the most dominant player of the time...How many rings does Hank Aaron have?? Pete Rose only has two with that FAMOUS Big Red Machine he played on and he was one of the greatest hitters of all time. ...and I could name many others as examples. The ring count thing is a childish argument...conversely--there are players with a grip of rings who people cant even name. Do, I really need to explain this? So, NO--the amount of rings is what it's all about when sizing up a player's career....again Charles Barkley perfect example..or Chipper Jones-what does he have? One, I think?? anywayssss
@@markfrost2707 championships and titles are the Crown Jewels in any sport. Titles are why we participate in sport. All of those players you named are great players in their own right. However, if you ask any one of them, who among them would not prefer to have “ champion” added to their résumé? The Boston Celtics record for most championship rings are still making an impression as arguably the greatest teams ever in the nba. Bottom line, Derek J was a difference maker on those Yankee teams.
Derek Jeter costing the Yankees that many runs makes him even more likeable.
Oh, I get it now. You're a Yankees hater like most of the MLB fanbase so you like seeing them lose.
How many championships did he cost them?
@@kingcassius2586 Like 6-7 World Series' if I'm being honest.
@@philithegamer8265 😄
Yeah.. "If I'm being honest" 🤤
I know it was just a compilation of his errors, but a majority of those plays are routine. I don’t see what made those such a difficult play for him to make.
And that’s why he was a bad fielder
@@warlordofbritannia It’s very much embarrassing. Great player though (I guess).
Totally. Its not like he had a lot of deep hole plays where "eh that's tough and he was rushed", no no, he had a ton of cans of corn he let the ears hit the ground
But likeee.. He’s had 5000+ ground balls hit in his direction? (approx) there’s a lot of footage of him making errors, probably more than most people in his era..
@@ifheavenwashuman he was definitely a great player. Very overrated defensively. But I feel that everyone knows this now so it’s not true anymore (him being overrated). During his career for sure
We probably wouldn’t care much about Jeter today if he was on pretty much any other team. His stats wouldn’t have been the same but still would have been one of the best hitters of his day, but his fame for sure wouldn’t be anywhere near the same level that it was while he was playing or after retirement.
Its interesting to watch this after watching "The Captain" on ESPN. You're obviously right about the defensive metrics but they represent an overall career on the field, most of the time he did show up when it mattered and that's what people remember. He was also consistent - its not easy to play 20 years without any serious injuries (until the end). Also, being on the Yankees during the time he was on the team helped gloss over any deficits of his, had be played 20 years on say the Orioles there is a 0% chance he would have been a first ballot HOFer. Perception and timing are everything. And a lifetime .310 average doesn't hurt either.
Absolutely this. As a mariners fan it was absolutely frustrating to watch Edgar Martinez have to wait 10 years to make it to the HOF because he played DH, even though they named an award after him, only for Ortiz to make it first ballot
As an O's fan, I weep whenever the O's are mentioned because it's never good.
@@FrederickFokker I apologize for that. Ok, how about the As? Can’t offend too many As fans, because there are so few.
Lol copium.
0% chance? 3000 hits anyone? What is it with you numbnuts on this planet? Cal Ripken was first ballot HOFer and didn't he play for the Orioles? The stupidity is mind-boggling. But really it's bias and hate for the Yankees and it blinds your common sense
I really hope your channel blows up. You do such great work. My son doesn’t even follow baseball and he watched your videos.
Idk if you’re taking requests right now during the strike but I think Barry Bonds would be a piece.
Hasn’t this channel already blown up?
I mean, only a year and a half ago there was a few thousand subscribers, mostly from the first Greinke video
Now he’s got literally a hundred times that many
Your son is just like him! Congrats.
As Foolish Baseball once said, "Properly rated"
He also implied it's obvious he is really effing overrated
@@metalmythology6282 defensively fosho. But I’d say he’s not anymore, since everyone seems to realize he’s overrated lol.
@@metalmythology6282 So you don't think its obvious? Wild.
@@diddlez2 Translate this to English please
@@metalmythology6282 How thick is your skull?
I've gotten flamed so many times by saying that Derek Jeter was a terrible defensive Shortstop, even with the advanced metrics available. The man was terrible defensively, but people tunnel on his few big plays. Thank you for this video lol
Me too. Dude sucked but his slient ego wouldn't let him be moved
What is infuriating about that is that all of the analysts that view the advanced metrics as the end all be all, go out of their way to avoid acknowledging this. Somehow metrics apply to every other player on the planet, but never him
@@beerdude1878 you put him at 1B or god forbid DH and let Alex have SS they win in 2004 definitely
@@stevenhempel2311 he definitely would have served better in a dh or corner outfield role, but I don’t think it would have helped in 04 against Boston. He was pretty dismal at the plate in that series too. Under .200 avg for the series. Even in The 19-8 game 3, he was 1-7. 04 was just Boston’s year. The normally untouchable Rivera showed that he was human just as much as jeter did
@@beerdude1878 who knows maybe a-rod would've been more confident if he was at SS and Jeter himself was at a less demanding position. Depends on the psychology of the player in the end but they were already up 3-0 so who knows what could've made up a 1 game difference
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10:07 I don’t think zobrist was a ss. He was a utility man who mainly played second
He came up as a shortstop, played the vast majority of games there his first 3 seasons
@@AidanCulverREAL He only played 47 games at shortstop. He played 58 at second and 71 in the outfield in 2012
Okay to be fair that time he was elected to the all star game was because it was his last season. They do that with basically every legendary player who’s retiring at the end of the season.
Love your confidence despite everyone knowing your going to get showered with dislikes you still upload it 👏
You can’t even see dislikes
I love how the comments defending Jeter basically prove the point.
"Yeah but he's an icon! SO many iconic moments!"
hes the casuals fans☠️
No we’re saying that he was one of the best contact hitters ever, best clutch player EVER and made the defensive plays when it counted. Always. You guys love the numbers but fail to see bigger picture far too often. He did the most important thing in baseball at an exceptional level and when it counted. He’s like say, Carmelo if he was a 5 time NBA champion and finals mvp
debuted perfect time, not great but consistent and healthy, had a good team
rarely got bad press, no controversy, iconic moments
best seasons offensively were 98, 99, 04, 06, 09
his best defensive seasons although still bad were 98, 04, 09
got top 3 mvp voting 3 times 98,06,09. 06 was closest year to mvp
ask any random person during his playing days who their fav player was
most of the time it was derek jeter
i knew some very old coach, he said he liked jeter cos of the way he played the game
Why did your coach like Jeter?
@@philithegamer8265 thats literally what he said "he plays the game the right way" he never elaborated further
@@philithegamer8265The coach loved jeter because he was a baseball man and knew what it took to win ballgames. Stat nerds and haters can cry in their beer but the yanks don’t win 5 championships without Derek Jeter. And you can’t win 5 championships with a butcher up the middle, so his “poor defense” is completely overblown.
Like we Red Sox fans would often say while Nomar Garciaparra was the best shortstop in baseball, "Jeter's no Nomar!"
The roided-out, unhealthy moody Nomar who was traded in the middle of a pennant race? 😂.
@@TheGodYouWishYouKnew after he was traded he became useless, but beforehand was far better than Jeter ever was
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No. Jeter had a knack of hitting in the clutch, especially in his earlier years. He finished his career with more than 3,000 hits during an era in which he was one of only a few players who did not cheat by resorting to taking steroids. Jeter was a winner, from his rookie year, the Yankees won a lot since he joined the team, and he was a big part of that. Also, you will not find many who were as classy as he was.
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He was more of a bat then a glove but, that's how baseball works most, of the time.
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Every player that plays a position like SS ages and slows down when they play as long as Jeter. So yes there was regression in the field as he aged but he also made some memorable solid plays over the years.
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He was bad when he was younger too....this wasn't from age or injuries, he's just a terrible defensive ss. Great hitter and I'm sure a great guy but by defensive metrics, he's one of the worst defenders to ever play...any position. He had a -152 drs in his career, that's the lowest ever recorded since it became a stat. Only player close to that bad was Hanley Ramirez and his drs was only a -72 😂 Jeter is legit one of the worst defensive players ever in baseball, no changing my mind.
there was no major regression, his numbers weren't that great to begin with. his highest HR total was 25, and he hit over 100 rbi only one season. I agree his invaluable to the team in other areas, but his production is not what you expect from an all time great.
@@metsrus he was a lead off hitter at times. He wasn’t there to put up 30 homers and 100 rbis genius.🤣
@@metsrus also he played in the steroid era and he wasn’t a juice monkey
Jeter is one of those players that I think is overrated by Yankees fans but underrated by the fans of other teams. In any case, he is a legend.
Why?
I love how this guy makes the smallest things sound crazy it’s entertaining
It's hilarious you think Jeter didn't do PEDs. He just didn't get caught.
Man, imagine getting slammed by Derek Jeter's power rod, leaving the next morning and getting a giftbag with signed baseballcards from his love dungeon. A true inspiration for us all
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"Yeah Jeets!" LOL. Look it up.
Derek Jeter got that dawg in him.
I think it’s more of the fact we underrated other players such as Barry Larkin who played in a smaller market Cincinnati. But winning in NY is different gravy. I mean Eli’s numbers aren’t that great but 2 rings against Tom Brady and 2 clutch drives are going to get him in the hall. Joe Namath literally has more picks than TDs but he’s in the HOF for winning with the Jets and honestly winning a SB with the Jets might be the most impossible thing ever. But back to Jeter as a Yankee fan I liked A Rod better I thought he was a better SS at the time but obviously Jeter was never going to move. Jeter was definitely overrated defensively but he made plays when they needed to be made and like you said keeping that squeaky clean image while being the face of a NY franchise for 20 years is extremely impressive.
A "Yankee fan" that likes A-fraud better than Jete? Ya right lol
Obvioisly A rod was better, people don't hate him because he's wasn't good at baseball lol
@@tugboat6940 Another example of the media picking winners and losers.
How do you explain the insanely overrated Ozzie smith then?
@@tugboat6940 A-Rod wasn’t “obviously better”. He relied on PEDs, essentially playing the game on easy while jeter was playing on expert. A-Rod struggled with pop flies and was never clutch, aside from 2009.
Jeter is my all time favorite. I always expected him to be moved to right field in the latter half of his career, after Paulie retired. His great instincts, read, arm, jump, and ability to go back on a ball would have enabled him to play fairly shallow in the small Yankee right field when his range wasn't good anymore.
And he would not have missed 2 cuttoff men like Shane Spencer did, so his iconic play in the post season would not have been necessary.
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Another example of the media picking winners and losers.
@@philithegamer8265 Yeah, Jeter with his 3,500 hits and 5 championships was picked to be a winner by the media. He didn’t get there on his own. Jeter haters will say ANYTHING. 😂
3:10 "Mattingly, I thought I told you to trim those sideburns! You're off the team, FOR GOOD!" 🤣
"Marlins super fan Marlins man called Derek Jeter a quote virgin." 🤣 😂
I found that to be way to funny.
I love Jeter and I agree. It’s because he was wearing pinstripes for the Yanks.
He was the Yankees. The Yankees were not winning anything before he arrived. His rookie season in 1996 changed everything. He was the leader of the team from day one.
As a Red Sox fan, I have to say.....he's not overrated at all. That guy was the heart and soul of that franchise, and, while he may not have been a generational talent, his leadership and presence was always a threat. Baseball isn't just about numbers. The A.L. or N.L. All star team may not be able to win 80 games, if they couldn't gel. Jeter led his squad. Every day.
Maybe things appear different down here at my lowly level of prestige, but if I was good enough to make an MLB team’s top 5 choices for short stop I would shout this news out from the nearest mountain top and then call my Mom to hear how proud she is and get my little brother to retake his spot as the black sheep of the family
I will always love Derek Jeter I don’t care what anybody says. I will agree he sucks as a GM. But as a player, statistics aside. When the game is on the line you want him up every time. Statistics don’t tell the whole story.
Facts also he played in a city were u have a ton of pressure. If anyone begs to differ than explain what happened to lindor. Overrall he was a great player just not a good GM.
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@@teo2shifty You’re just mad he has 5 rings and your team sucks.
Cope
I'm a Boston Red Sox fan but I'm not about to tear apart the Yankees.They have some of the best players of all-time a great fan base like us and the most championships!! I don't like the Yankees but I respect them..Thankyou
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I've been telling ppl this for years
Man simply isn't efficient enough
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That’s a good one
Efficient enough to win 5 rings. That's the object, not stats.
Say what you want about Jeter, dude came through gor them in a lot of big moments time and time again. He had that X factor, he was a winner
He’s a pretty good base hitter but his defense is pretty lousy
...Wrong.
@@dumisatonyjohnson81455 championships pal
Put him on any other team and he puts up the exact same numbers and he doesn’t get close to the same recognition
fr ny is jus a ridiculously large market
@@teo2shifty Truth.
Well this aged well. No more jeter in miami
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Jeter made every play he had to make on defense I never got this argument against him. Watching him for all those years I didn’t see him not make plays on balls he should have until the latter stages of his career.
Exactly!
The argument was with his range but the chuckleheads in here think it was his overall fielding.
Me either. He wasn’t a spectacular player, but the Yankees won World Series championships and that’s what matters most to us fans.
@@jmad627 I disagree on him not being a spectacular player. He is a virtual highlight real for big plays in big moments. Maybe you used the wrong word?
@@boki1693 maybe spectacular is the wrong word. But he was no Ozzie Smith or Rey Ordoñez who made spectacular plays but muffed routine ground balls every once in awhile.
Jeter brought things to the Yanks that can’t be measured by a metric.
Winning is the only metric that really counts to me at the end of the day. And Derek, as a player, was a winner.
Anyone who watched Derek Jeter play in this era of Rey Ordonez, Barry Larkin, Omar Vizquel, Nomar Garciaparra and even A-rod know that Derek Jeter looked the least like a shortstop defensively than all of them.
Derek Jeter looked the most like a consummate professional and a clutch winner. Rey Ordonez? Fuck outta here.
You put Jeter in another uniform, he's still a HoF, but not overrated. An elite hitter but is very much overrated with the glove, he was decent but probably not the multi gg winner he is
He wasn’t decent. He was awful defensively. And was really only an elite hitter in 4 or 5 seasons out of his 20 year career. Don’t get me wrong he’s a deserving hall of famer but he’s a top 75-100 player and people act like he’s top 20
@@AidanCulverREAL He's 94th all-time in career WAR, yet still received the highest HOF vote % of any position player ever. That's ridiculously overrated.
never understood all the love the dude got, he wasn't even a passable fielder at his position, and if not in pinstripes he'd have been a subpar hitter as well
Okay come on, even if you hate the guy for whatever reason, claiming he’d be considered offensively "subpar" anywhere is lunacy. Overrated, most definitely. A subpar hitter, most definitely not.
@@0neFamily read what I said. if he hadn't been wearing pinstripes and getting slanted calls for it his entire career he would have never been on the level he was.
@@theunwelcome Jesus Christ, people that make that kind of argument are truly baffling. It has literally no factual basis. When I say he was overrated but definitely not subpar, there are statistics that back it up. He was a shit defender with little power, but he had an adjusted OPS of 115 and offensive WAR that compare with or exceed other hall of fame shortstops. Which helps overcome his deficiencies.
That means he was a consistently productive hitter for almost 20 years, making preferential treatment being the cause for that success extremely unlikely if not comically absurd.
@@0neFamily thank you for actually having a brain. Like we’re going to disregard Jeter being one of the best hitting shortstop the game has seen. Life time batting average of .310 & a career OBP of .377 and just credit his success to him being on the Yankees. “If he wasn’t in the Yankees he wouldn’t be as good” type of argument is that??? LOL. People hate on greatness man, it’s a shame
@@millionaire2268 He's 94th all-time in career WAR, yet still received the highest HOF vote % of any position player ever. That's ridiculously overrated.
From 96-09, I'd say he was in his prime, afterwards not so much. You forget to mention this part at 9:26, keep in mind I don't know if it's true as I saw it online years ago but after watching this video, I'd say it definitely has some merit:
_My friend's cousin dated Derek Jeter for a while and had keys to his apartment. According to the story she entered one day to find him butt ass naked on his couch watching highlights of himself and bumping his chest with his fist saying "YEAH JEETS, YEAH JEETS"._
It's a funny story, but most likely bullshit. Jeter was known not to watch any baseball. As soon as the game was over, he turned off his baseball switch. Basically, he was the anti-A-Rod. Jeter didnt have time to watch a game he already played in, he had to get some prime trim.
@@richcas3491 Derek Jeter fanboy spotted.
@@philithegamer8265 Soooo, let me get this straight, you're taking the word of some random poster's, friend's cousin and holding it as gospel?. Uhhhhhh....BWHAAAAHAA!! Dude, I need a bit more to buy that story. You dont apparently. I played with Jeter in the minors.
I bet you believed that too. Bwahaa!!
@@richcas3491 How did that experience go?
As a lifelong Red Sox fan my motto was I hate the uniform not the player. Jeter while he may have not been Omar Visquel with the glove. He was a reliably solid middle infielder. A good defensive team makes the routine play look routine. That’s Jeter in a nutshell. So while it’s easy to pick apart his defensive metric. The guy was nails and played his azz off. So I tip my cap to him and admire the manner in which he carried himself on and off the field. Where is he in the pantheon of the greats? That’s irrelevant. His lifetime stats and the 5 rings, of which he played a pivotal role speak volumes.
One of the best Jeter posts I’ve seen. Thank you.
I admire the balls on that lone nameless writer who didn't vote to make Jeter a 1st ballot unanimous hall of famer. Like a star on the walls of the CIA headquarters in Langley that writer will never be known, but his sacrifice to this nation will never be forgotten.
I don’t think Jeter is overrated, I do agree his defense was suspect BUT…..he made great plays in big moments, was a pesky hitter a very good base runner. His hitting improved year after year always ran up pitch counts. I think making a video on just one aspect of his game is dishonest. How many players out there are 3 tool players….not many but he was a GREAT player in a competitive era especially in the east and played the game with everything he had. That’s why he is a hall of fame caliber player.
lets be real the reason jeters record looks so clean is because he was always next to a-rod
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"Spotless" reputation maybe, but this shows he was definitely always just as incompetent as he is now in Miami.
Imagine calling Jeter "always incompetent"? Jeter haters have retarded themselves with their hatred.
Jeter is also one of the greats because of his consistency and longevity. To hit .310 for an ENTIRE 20 year career is already insane. He was 38 years old and led MLB in hits, that just shows the raw ability he had. And he continued his success in the postseason, the moment never got too big for him. Like I’m baffled people call him overrated it’s ridiculous.
hea great just overrated calm down you damn yank
Lots of cheap singles helped pad his stats
Maybe Bc hits and batting average don’t mean shit
@@PaulieWalnuts1776 no such thing as a cheap hit
@@coltsyanx1615 Singles are the most cheap are you kidding? Bunts. Hitting the bag weirdly. Hitting the mound. Glove deflections. Choppers. Bloopers. There absolutely is such a thing as a cheap hit and announcers talk about it all the time.
The confidence you gotta have to be nicknamed “Marlins Man” and look straight into a camera and call Scarlett Johansson, Jessica Alba and Mariah Carry’s ex boyfriend a “virgin”
The fact that you added the story about him leaving the women gift baskets with signed Yankees to make him look like a gentleman…is so funny😂
George S. was the Donald Trump of baseball
Did you say "Jerrick Deter" on purpose at 8:12 or did that just sneak past you? 🤣🤣🤣. Love the vids, keep it up!
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He is definitely overrated I used to call him golden boy because his good boy image made the MLB and Yankees boat loads of money and got people in the stadium
Ignore the 5 gold gloves. ROY, 5xWS 5xSilverSlugger, WS MVP, ASG MVP. Led AL in hits at 25 and 38.
Clear HOF.
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With the worst defensive runs save % in history (the only blemish to his HOF career)
@@dumisatonyjohnson8145Good thing that’s a bullshit, made-up stat then.
@@dumisatonyjohnson8145 Lucky for Jeter that stat is completely made up lol. Find me the videos of all these runs that Jeter "gave up".