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Im 52 as well and starting this spring. Going with an 07 stratoliner, cant afford the harley I want. If I cant have one...might as well get something that will beat most of them, for under 4000 bucks tp boot! Happy cruisin, be safe!
This is a great series! I started riding 3 years ago. I started on a bike that was small, comfortable, and created confidence. I am 5' 6". I started on a Suzuki TU250X, which was fantastic for me because I could manuever the bike easily and it was not at all intimidating. I then moved to a Yamaha R3, which I still own and love. I bought my dream bike, a Triumph Bonneville, last fall. :)
Started riding in 2016 at the age of 24. Picked up a Honda CBR 500R 2014 as my first bike. Had around 4000 miles on it. The same bike now currently has close to 17.500 miles on it so I've ridden my fair share. About a year later I picked up my second bike, upgraded to a Honda CBR 600RR 2014. They both have been parked for more than two months now due to 3 feet of snow and temperatures below 5 degrees. Thank you for pulling me trough my winter depression by releasing these kinds of videos so I have something to watch while not being able to ride. Great content as always :)
I personally started on a used 2001 Honda Shadow VT750. It’s a heavier bike, but the low seat height, smooth power delivery and comfortable riding position it was a great starter bike for me. It’s 100 lbs heavier than the Rebel but I honestly never noticed the extra weight. It was comfortable to learn on after the MSF and as I grew as a rider it had plenty of power to where now 5 years on I still have it and use it for 2 up riding and have no issues. I will be upgrading soon but I definitely got my moneys worth at a $3250 price point.
Suzuki DR650 has served me well as a learner rider. Useful of you live in a country area where the sealed roads are rough or dirt roads. And gives you options to practice off road without traffic.
An awesome bike that handles well around town and easy to balance is a Suzuki S40. A single cylinder cruiser that has plenty of low end torque yet anyone can handle this bike. You can pick up a new “last year” model for $4k.
Totally agree. I started with a nice red Honda Rebel 250. I think it's the easiest motorcycle to ride on, much like Yamaha Start 250 and other brands 250 cruiser-likes. Decent price, and the bike is known for reliability. If you think these bikes are "small" and not capable, check the forums. There are people who have done cross-country on these bikes. Put a year or so and go to your next motorcycle. By then you'll know your riding style too. I went for dual-sports! Thanks for the great videos!
I would definitely recommend a used midsize bike as your first after your MSC just like what Kevin mentioned in his last video for new riders. If your going with something cruiser like a Vstar 250 or one of the rebels, you may find yourself wanting something more shortly after, so I would recommend a very cheap used model if going that route. The Honda Shadows are great bikes for beginners I think. 750 CC but shaft drive so not alot to get you in trouble, but may satisfy that need for a little more pull for a longer period of time.
7:22 Standing on a bike actually raises the centre of gravity! The advantage is this: Just like a jockey on a galloping horse, standing relieves the bike of your inertia, since now your legs are acting as large amplitude shock absorbers. While the motorcycle (or horse) is bouncing up and down, your body is moving more in a straight line and not bouncing up and down as much, relieving the motorcycle (or horse) of a heavy mass bouncing up and down on it. Of course, it also means the rider is relieved of bouncing up and down, definitely a plus for the spine (both the rider's and the mount's). The motorcycle handles better, just as the horse is less burdened and can gallop faster and with less exertion. The rider also has more freedom to move to counteract adverse motions, though obviously with less stability than if sitting. This puzzled me for a long time until I read an explanation.
kevin, thank you for the video...my husband got a honda rebel recently because we cruise on the weekends...they always say don't get a bike you cannot handle, since i started on a honda 70 trailbike years ago, i decided to stick w/the scooters. My first was a honda 50 i rode back & forth to work on the backroads. The next was a yamaha 125 vino, at least i can keep up w/traffic, now my most recent is a honda pcx150 & i love it. I really stuck w/the scooters because of the gas mileage they get & still ride mine back & forth to work, but not during the wintertime. You really have to be extremely careful when riding & anticipate other driver's on the road which actually keeps you more alert. We are both in our 60's now, so a sport bike was out of the question for me.
In your 60's and a sport bike was out of the question?? I was 73 when I bought a sports bike (2018 Kawasaki ninja 400 KRT ABS) for my 74th birthday. Still having a blast with it at age 76.5!
@@usernamemykel I am a little bit overweight so it's very difficult for me to swing my leg over a bike now, so that's the reason I stick w/scooters. I even have to get on the driver's seat & then scoot back onto the passenger seat of my husband's harley three wheeler now. I have to stick with what I can handle.
@@usernamemykel Nearly 60 years ago: Puch 150cc scooter. Then, 1956 500cc Triumph Tiger 100, with saddlebags and rack. Many years later: 1982 Honda GL500 Silverwing Interstate. Now: 1983 Honda GL650 Silverwing Interstate. The GL's are shaft drive, top-heavy, but oh so comfortable, and the 650 is good on the freeway. Age 77. Did two courses 17 years ago, realised I knew nothing in my youth despite thousands of miles safely travelled (with some narrow escapes). The sound of a Triumph still delights.
Great advice Kevin! I am 61 yr and took my msf (Canadian equivalent) on a Yamaha 250 4 yr. ago. It served its purpose for the time but in reality, even for my license test it was too small a bike for me (6' 220lbs.) My shoulders outsized the mirrors and couldn't see behind me! My first bike was a Star 950 bagger and I loved it...but the floorboards scraped too easily and I moved on to a Star 1300. That was a great bike and I now ride my second Road King a 2017. I respect what I ride and never take for granted that a 1000 lb. motorcycle can be a challenge at any time. I put in a lot of practice time in vacant parking lots and low-speed manoeuvring is a critical skill for safely riding any motorcycle especially larger bikes. Your qualified advice, across the whole gamut of motorcycle safety, will benefit anyone who listens and follows your advice. Thanks for your time!
Agreed... agreed ... all great tips for a new rider. I started riding last August, and have the Honda CB500F, and CTX700... enough power to move along comfortably, but won't be pulling any accidental wheelies.
My suggestion on buying your first bike is just get almost anything and see if riding is for you. :) Get to riding. I lucked into an 883 from late nineties in perfect condition. I'm learning to ride and that's what I'm learning to ride on. I call it my mini-bike! But, it worked out for taking the step of fullfilling my dream of riding.
Started on a Honda CB500F. Loved it for two years. This year I upgraded to 2017 CBR1000RR. Love it more! I think I may be the only one that's comfortable on a Supersport. Can ride for hours and hours. Great video and great advice!
Have you considered discussing maxi-scooters as a first bike? I was going start out on one, then decide on a larger bike, but my Suzuki Burgman 400 is such a great commuter. Not only did I stay with it but sold my Acura because I just wasn't driving it enough. It'll cruise along at 85mph, and with low center of gravity it can corner fast and low. One thing I really like is it's unobtrusive enough that I can park on the sidewalk near a business' entrance (so far, the only place which asked me not to, was Costco).
Hello, Kevin! I love your videos! I chose wrong, but I don't regret it. I bought my first bike 3 months ago. The tall and heavy F800 GS Adventure. I was very scared initially. Now I'm more relaxed , enjoying my bike a lot. I ride very carefully, learning every day. Greetings from Brasil!
men i love your videos im newbi just 2 years riding i live in Taiwan motocycle too overprice here very very dangerous ride I always have to ride aggressive mode, I have kymco downtown 300i another year and change to yamaha bolt
Stopped riding for about 8 years. Just bought a 2016 Honda Fury or VT1300CX for my first bike back. I have loved it and my skills came back pretty quickly. But I really do recommend the riding class for ALL riders. Great Video Kevin!!
Shadow 750 was my starter bike. Got my first one when I was in university in the '80's, bought another one when I got back into riding 3 years ago. Riding a Moto Guzzi California 1400 now, but the Honda was a great bike to get me back riding.
I just got a neat Honda CBX 250. Great commuter and perfect starter bike. I'll probably keep it since I'm on the short end of the stick (5'4) and only plan on commuting on a road this motorcycle is capable to maintain the speed limit with ease. Thanks for the tips.
Recently read on the 'net about recommended sizes: google "so you wanna get a sportbike" images. Poster recommends to it two or fewer cylinders, and less than 750cc. Just as mentioned, the NC700X is a twin cylinder 750cc, whereas the Ninja ZX-6R is a four cylinder 600cc. The poster gives a very good explanation on why not to get liter or 4 cylinder bikes.
My first was a 2002 Yamaha V-Star 1100 Silverado Edition. It was and is a great bike! But, it was way too much bike for a first bike. I dropped it twice at a stop when I first got it. Fortunately, I survived and learned a lot! 12 years later and I have a Indian Springfield and I'm still learning. I think of myself as a an experienced rider but, your videos have taught me that I still have so much to learn. Thank you so much for doing what you do and know that your videos are saving lives.
Great video! I took my MSF class and learned on a Harley street 500. Then hubby bought me a Harley softail deluxe but I wasn't quite ready for it so we bought a pair of Honda rebels and have been riding them around together until I master the basics and feel ready to step up to my Harley and ride with him on his.
I started on a Yamaha R3 and then moved up to a Kawasaki Ninja 650, which both are sport bikes but have a more upright seating position. The R3 was a great bike to learn on. Great Video Kevin!
Some good advice here. I've only bought two new motorcycles in my 54 years of riding motorcycles. Older motorcycles with very low mileage are all over the place, if we will just look for them.
The last two I bought, and still have was a 2006 Shadow 1100cc, with 12,K on it for under $3K, and a 2002 garage kept Goldwing with 20K on it for under $7K. I knew going in that the 24K mile service had never been done, so I had that expense added on to it.
Low mileage old motorcycles aren't necessarily a good deal. You want to add at least $1500 to your mental estimate on the cost to make up for the extensive work they may need. Even just a full going over can cost that much. And that's assuming that they don't have to go through and replace all the gaskets corroded parts as well as clean out the gunk. On top of that, at a certain point it gets to be difficult to get replacement parts. If you don't mind doing your own work and can figure out how to repurpose parts from other models it's not as bad, but it's definitely not something that I'd personally recommend to new riders.
I agree. How old are the tires, or how many miles on them, they may need replacing. Like the Goldwing I bought, I knew going in that the 24,000 mile service needed to be done, and the windshield was turning grey from age. That alone was going to cost me at least $1,200. But with only 20,000 miles on it, and it being a really clean bike, I felt it was worth the money I was going to spend.
I love my FZ09 but ordered fork cartridges because the stock suspension is barely adequate. I tightened up the preload and rebound but need compression damping too. The tank is too small, though. Pretty much filling up every 100 miles. I love my DR650 too, it's a pig but great on dirt roads and not a terrible street bike. Not real big on the idea of tubed tires on the street though. It already had the aftermarket 5.3 gallon tank when I got it so Got well over 200 mile range. I've been on a lot of good adventures in Arkansas on the dirt roads.
The honda shadow 750 works well to start out on 8f your going to be comuting on it and may need to get on a freeway or interstate. Though they are a bit heavy untill you get used to them
AGREED! Heavy enough that one must "manhandle" them - I ditched mine after two months. I ride a much more agile, lightweight, responsive (practically by telepathy) and gorgeous 2018 Kawasaki Ninja 400 KRT ABS. People look surprised when I take off my helmet and they see a 76.5 year old head! Hee hee!
I bought my dream machine as my first bike. It's a 2006 Triumph Scrambler 900, I've got it for five years now and I still look back at it when I walk inside after a ride.
Yep, I agree on the Yamaha V-star cruiser style that's good for those who have had no or very little experience riding a motorcycle. They have more grunt than the Honda Rebel 250 which is important to getting up to speed and out of situations in traffic. That's what I did, bought one second hand from a guy who had it for his wife, it was 2 years old and had 2K miles on it, and I bought it for over $2K less than the cost of a new one, not including what the dealer prep charges are! I weighed 210lbs at the the time, and it could do nearly 80 mph on the interstate if needed-albeit the engine was wound out pretty good haha! What was even cooler I was able to sell it some years later at only a slight loss.
I inherited a 1987 harley-davidson sportster 883. its a little heavy but leaving out in the country with no desire to ride in the city right away, i think I will be ok but I will be waiting another year yet.
Good for you James. Take your time, find the ride that's best for you - and make sure you buy a great helmet (I recommend HJC IS-17) and a good pair of gloves (I recommend Five's)
Great advise in this video. I recently bought a new (2016) Honda Rebel only 1 mile on it. I don't have any opposition to buying a used bike but given my very limited knowledge on what to look for, I took the less risky option and bought a new one. It's 250 so I was out the door with it for less than $4K. Even though I'm pretty sure it will be sold in less than a year I'm okay with that simply because the upfront investment wasn't that much and there is no doubt that a Honda Rebel will sell.
Good advice and summary. Many countries have a power limit, sometimes even a power/weight ratio limit, for new riders, but it sounds like that’s not the case in Texas(?). My advice, once you’ve made your choice about style, size & weight, take a very close look at the tyre style (and condition, if used), because even a lot of new bikes come with pretty ordinary tyres that really don’t belong on the bike, or don’t suit the style of riding you might be mainly doing. If you don’t know much about tyres, ask an experienced friend, possibly the sales guy, or read plenty online, because tyres are critical for new riders in particular. A good beginner bike is a trail/dirt bike style...they’re light, easily manoeuvrable, neutral seated position, and wider handlebars than standard. My first on road bike was a Yamaha XT500 ...I still think it was a great choice. If I were buying today, if money weren’t an issue a detuned Ducati monster or Scrambler have good ergonomics. The V-star is always a good choice. Or any of the mid to light weight trail bikes that are road legal.
Sound advice Kevin, as always. But I took a road less traveled as I bought a new, 800 cc, almost flat-footable bike as my first bike and so far it has worked out well (Triumph Tiger 800). The 800 cc triple's power delivery is manageable (and with ride-by-wire modes, you can change the throttle sensitivity if you want), and for me the high riding position was good for all the reason's you gave. Used they are few and far between in south Texas, so I bought new and just plan to keep it a while so the value drop per year is ok. It also came with traction control and ABS - which many cheaper bikes didn't have. Seat height-wise, I can almost flat foot it (flat foot on one side and on the balls of my feet on the other) that hasn't been an issue so far. I could flat-foot it in the showroom, but they come from the factory with no pre-load, so when I adjusted the suspension for a better feel, I lost about an inch of sag. I like the bike weight at around 480lbs - it strikes a balance between not being too light so the wind doesn't toss you around (especially on those high TX overpasses and on-ramps that can be scary to a new rider), and not being too heavy so that it gets away from you when at low speeds.. The bike has been anything but boring in the 6 months of ownership which is another advantage to a capable bike that is manageable - chances are most people wont outgrow it and sell it as quickly as a traditional starter bike. Yes I have dropped it during the learning cycle and maybe if it was smaller it would not have happened - 2 times on pavement and once on dirt. But ADV bikes can take it as the crash protection on it meant it only cost me (2) turn signals, one brake lever, one gear shift lever, a scuffed handguard, and a slightly bruised ego. I keep and extra turn signal in stock now. All relatively cheap. Hopefully now after 2500 miles, my chances of future drops are far less - but its good to know it wont be the end of the world if it happens again. Cheers.
Started with 250 cc which I hated it after about a month or so but stuck with it for 5 years then jumped ship to 1800 cc cycle Goldwing. Still and always learning to ride.
With 10 years riding, I know have an Honda CB250 *(Yes 250cc)* . It goes 70, 80 mph at low revs (what she likes 5700 to 6500 rpm), has a fuel autonomy of 310 miles, at 90 mpg, weights 330 pounds of flickable joy.
I also have a 1991 CB 250 Nighthawk. I've been riding over 20 years now. And have clocked over 500,000 miles. Have 4 bikes around most of the time. But I really love this Nighthawk. I have even done some 3 and 4,000 miles trips with it. Just me and I don't normally carry much. NEVER had a issue with her. Change her oil, tires, and chain / cogs as needed and she is happy. Handles curves almost like a sportsbike and hardly complains on the highway. It is probably my favorite ride, even with a 2000 VS800 Intruder, a 96 LS650 Savage, FJR 1300, and a DL 650 sitting in the stable. I ride all and love all of them. But I find I love my little CB 250 the most. I wish Honda would bring back the Nighthawk line. I would get every size made just because. They are bullet proof.
Enjoying these weekly programs... great job; however, you forgot to mention the "forgotten" motorcycle, the scooters. Great for commuters and other adventures. Thanks for this series... be safe!
A scooter can be the better fit for many people. The smaller ones (at least 250cc) are reasonably light and perform well for most tasks (they can do the freeway thing but not really recommended). Most scooters downfall is a tall seat. For those who have a difficult time with the clutch, accelerator, shifter, and brake (using all four limbs) the scooters are so much easier using both hands for all controls. I ride 2-up on a Suzuki Burgman 650 with heated seats grips, electric windshield, plugs for heated jackets, etc. It's comfortable for how my wife and I ride but we'd still like a Goldwing (cost, weight, maintenance just generally prohibit that). Our "road strategy" to pick our motorcycle was to carefully look at my age and physical ability, how we really ride (not multiple days on a single trip but 400+ miles in a day have been done). Right now the Burgman 650 still fits the bill- but just barely!
Okay, I had a KZ 400 back in 83-86, got rid of it to buy a Vette. So now I’m 57, and have been wanting to get back on a bike. Did a lot of research, and talked to three good friends. One is a retired CHP motorcycle officer, 14 years on the bike. One is a biker I became friends with, he has been riding for 45 years. Another is a friend who rides and has a degree in physics and engineering. Plus other friends. All 3 suggested buying the bike I ultimately want to ride, and learning on that. One told me going from a starter to full dresser is like learning to ride all over again, but bad habits on a small bike are dangerous and a lot more serious on an 800# bike. In the words of the biker, “You’ll be too scared to try anything stupid on a bike that big.” They encouraged me to decide by sitting on different bikes and seeing how each feels. I’m 6’1 and 257. Finally I stopped to look and picked out a bike, the salesman made sure I could flat foot it and the weight wasn’t overwhelming. He did that by having me raise the kickstand and center the bike, using my leg to lift and my shoulders to center the bars, him and another guy were there because as he said, “Not everyone is as strong as they look.” . I signed up for the MSF course and at the urging of the cop a 2 hour private lesson on my own bike 2 days later. Where I live MSF uses HD Street 500’s, He told me after I pass ride the side streets for at least 2 full days and practice everything I learned. So the bike is an ‘08 Ultra Classic. I live in Buffalo, so my test ride was around the dealers large lot in 39 degree weather. So here we go.
Haven't had a ride for years. Last month it started looking like I might get the chance to buy a Triumph. This video gave me really good things to consider before I plunk down the cash. Not sure when he will make the decision to let this bike go...he has four BSA motorcycles. He could make a decision so I could sign up for a class!
I have been riding for 16 years, I started on a yamaha r6 brand new, it wasn’t a great choice looking back. I didn’t crash it and didn’t have any issue but still not the best choice. I currently own a yamaha FJR 1300 and a husqvarna fe 501. My wife want to learn to ride, she’s taking her mandatory 40 hours course in a few weeks. I decided to buy her a kawasaki ninja 250r to start with. It’s a 2009, paid 1000$ for it, can’t lose much if she drop it a few time. I would have prefered a Z300 or MT-03 but it’s not available here in canada.
I've only ever owned / ridden dual sports , and dirt bikes . I started out in the dirt ( at age 6 , and I'm 35 now . ) on motorcycles , and just feel confident on that type of bike . My current bike is a 2015 Honda CRF250L , and I love it because it gets me anywhere , and everywhere I want to go ! = )
I haven't had the pleasure of riding the Yamaha WR250R , but the Honda CRF250L is an excellent bike . Everyone I've let ride it ( In the woods , because I don't let anyone ride my bikes on the road . ) has loved it , and it gets complimented everywhere I go . = )
Getting older and wiser helps somewhat the choice of the first bike. I don't have my European A licence yet, but project is going on. I dreamed about XL650 Transalp, until I finally got a chance to sit on it on the local MC fair as there happened to be one in the 2nd hand bikes department. First impression: Too heavy, too high. I could put both feet flat on the ground, but still, I didn't feel confident with the weight. So I went back to Kawasaki department and sat again on that Versys-X 300 and felt that it is more the thing I want to start with. Anyway being on budget, not really bought it yet, but instead done a lot of shopping on riding gear sales. I hope I can find a cheap used Versys that has done it's first round as a beginner bike.
Still Loving my rebel 250 after a year and 7k miles! Paid $1500 for it with 1500 miles. FYI, prices on the little cruisers seem to be creeping up. I rarely see nice rebel250 or virago250 for under 2k anymore.. add 500-1000 at a dealer.
I road bikes up into my 40’s then stopped. I am now retired at age 65 and bought a Harley Fat Bob 114. The way I chose my bike was to physically sit on every bike at the Harley dealer. The Fat Bob just felt right. I bought it 5 weeks ago and have put 2,500 miles on it. I think this bike falls into the sporty / cruiser type. I will be riding it from CA to TX in about three more weeks. My first bike was a Honda 400/4
I started last year with a 2003 Honda Shadow Spirit 750. It's not too heavy that I can't compensate, and while it's got a bigger engine, I don't feel like it's too much power (plus, I'm a big guy). I would say that it's a good starter bike.
Came here to say this; leaving satisfied. I had 2 Shadows: one when i was in university in the '80's and one 2 years ago when I got back into riding. Nice bike, super forgiving, well made, lots of after market parts for mods and a lot of fun.
Kevin, love your show. I say get what you want to ride right away. Too small and you will get bored with it very soon and wished you would have bought what you wanted in the first place. Saves a lot of time screwing around. just my .02
tom rebel I ride a Concours 14 I’m 53 yro. It’s the best bike I’ve ever had since I was 15yro. And it’s FAST!!! Boy can it handle too. Most of the younger guys I follow in the crochet rockets are surprised when we meet up at the gas station and I take off my helmet and show my true age. I just tell them. “It’s cause of the bike” that I can ride like them. And it’s comfortable and planted to the road.
Hey, Kevin. Buying a first bike. I'm 6'6" and 240+ lbs and I'm over 50 yrs old. Eventually I'd like to do long distance adv touring on a BMW GSA. Did my MSC course and got my licence 6 years ago, but life was, well, life. I'm planning to take the course again, and I'm ready to start again. Recommendations?
What do you th8nk of the 2009 kawasaki ninja 500R? Good 1st bike? I found one at 207km! That's right, you saw it correctly- 207kms. Its brand new in showroom shape.
FYI Since Honda came out with the next generation Rebel in 2017 the new 2015s and 2016s still in showrooms have huge discounts. Dealer here has brand new 2015 Rebel marked down a $1000 to $3200.
Hi Kevin. You consistently put out awesome and top rate videos. I do have a concern on size for a first bike for me. I am 6’5, 230. I am wanting to get a cruiser . However , the smallest bikes I like are the Kawasaki Vulcan S, and the Honda CTX 700. I felt comfortable also on a Suzuki Boulevard C50. What are you thoughts on larger people and bikes that would be good for them?
I ride a moto guzzi v7ii. My favorite bike by far. Light, fun, traction control abs. Its awesome for commuting and just having fun. This is great advice.
Used for a first time buyer. Go to a first tier dealer to get a starter bike tradein. Yeah I know, but 70% of the Craigslist 250s have been dropped or badly maintained or the owner now hates the bike (or got it in trade for some shady thing). A real dealer (not a little shop) might charge 2000 for that used Rebel you can buy for 1500 on CL, but a dealer should have put about $400 worth of service on that trade in (chain, oil, tuneup, maybe tires) Well worth it, and the dealer will set you up with a class, maybe toss in a promo helmet and will probably drop it safely at your house with a limited days warranty. All worth the extra $500. Oh don't let them charge you a prep or freight fee (that's for new bikes) just the price + tax, title and tag. Even with the CL bike you're going to pay those same government fees plus the hassle of waiting in line(sssss) at some DMV. Buying your $10k dream used bike later might be worth the risks of the direct sale, but if the starter bike is under $2200 there is little difference in price. BTW a thousand dollar bike is typically a partially broken bike. Do not buy unless you bring a real mechanic with you.
But it doesn't matter if a starter bike has been dropped as long as it is in good mechanical condition. A new rider is likely to drop it anyway. You can buy new for a minimum of 5K out the door and sell in 1 year for 2K or buy used for 2K and sell in a year for 1.8K. I only think a new starter bike is worth it if you never plan to upgrade, even then there are TONS of low mile bikes that pop up all the time that can save you a lot of money. It is important to have someone who knows bikes to look at it if you are buying used.
MCrider. Yes but i suggested used at a dealer, not new. As to starter: many casual and curious riders may buy this bike and stop there (at least for years). Cheap to own, cheap to insure, run and maintain, easy to store. This "starter bike" mantra of a 250 or 300 is propagated by dealers and manufacturers to pump return sales. You have become a bit of a bike collector of late Kevin having a very good bike, buying another, then changing your mind and buying yet another in less than a few months. In that you may have fallen victim to the buying culture. Often these CL bikes have a shady past. Bought for children that wrecked them in a week, then the repair shops tidied up the corners and the owner (or parents) have forced the sale. "Bought" as trades for some barter work. Passed around by some careless owners or rebuilt by learners. Some have been retired from training classes and dropped many many times, plus kicked about by staff and hauled unceremoniously by instructors on freight trucks. Dealer 250 std bikes that they will sell often have less than 6000 miles, have been traded in by the real enthusiast (typically an adult) that did buy it as a trainer for a year or two. Good tier-one dealers will dump old 20k+ tradein little bikes in poor condition to wholesalers/curbstoners that will sell them in the classifieds. You can find legitimate, barely used bikes in classifieds, but will the new buyer be able to sort the wheat from the chaff. A good, low mile Star or Rebel bought for a wife that never took to it, will likely sell for 1800 where a dealer trade will probably sell for 2200. Not a lot of difference, for the work to find a good one amongst the rams. Always buy the best you can for a reasonable price. A 250 can be a very solid bike. If it is not a pile of junk it will be safer and will encourage better riding habits and experience. If the new owner spends more time fixing than riding, then they will quickly tire of the pastime. I could be wrong, but I've done this for forty two years myself. I've always regretted having anything junky, and spent more on the great deal junk than the good.
No doubt there are some bad bikes out there on CL but there are a lot of good ones too at least in the DFW market. That's why you need to know what you are looking at or take someone who does. Buying from a dealer used is no guarantee that the bike will be good either, it should always be buyer beware. As far as the bikes I have bought and sold recently here is the truth to that matter. I bought the FZ-07 on Craigslist and sold it for more than I paid for it...on Craigslist. I used some of that money and bought the Bonneville from an individual which I traded to the dealer for more than I paid for it on the used Road King. I have no problem with buying from an individual or a dealer. I just want people to make an educated decision in the process. You can make a few trades if you know what to look for on Craigslist and come out ahead in the long run. By no means is that the only way to do it. There is no way in a video I can cover every base but I do share what has worked for me. Thanks for your insight as well, much appreciated. Cheers brother. :)
MCrider. Good luck with the series. You do a quality program. I assume the savvy street buyer "education" one is next, so I wouldn't want to queer your angle. Remember that we are in our 50s and grew in a mechanics world where most boys knew machines. Many today do not have that world, never have, never will. They will not get the mechanical eye, no matter what you say, and their trusted friend knows no more than them. Thus kids obsess over buying colorful gear and accessories today. I like how you teach them steady nerves and good road strategy, instead of how cool you can look or how fast you can go. BTW this "you're going to drop it" philosophy may be self fulfilling. I've not gone down since I was 14 on a junky CL70. A driver turned left in front of me on an empty residential street, and I hit him at about 10 (down from 30). I learned to watch for the unexpected. People today talk about dropping their bike (no car involved) all the time like it is normal. Don't let them. If a rider can't hold up their own bike or make a simple corner or curve, then they need a 100cc moped, a bicycle or a bus pass. You did a good job mentioning buy a bike you can flatfoot, hold and lift. Keep stressing that every show in this series. They buy bikes too big for them. You may erase this thread if it distracts from your series angle. Nice conversation.
Thanks for the conversation. It doesn't bother me at all if someone disagrees with me...as long as it is in a civil manner like you did. It's the guys who come on trying to start a flame war get a quick boot out the door. ;)
I know it is an older bike but I am looking at a Honda Helix for myself because one it's an automatic 2 it also has built-in storage which we both know not very many quote on quote street bikes has storage and I love Goldwing but I hate the weight so I enjoy what I started on which was a scooter my very first scooter was a 86 Honda Spree because the way I was taught I cannot justify upgrading to a bigger bike without seats time there is a difference between confidence and cockiness Cockiness on a motorcycle will end up getting you hurt if not killed but lack of confidence is just as deadly that is my two cents on my birthday
One of the Best Beginners Motorcycle's is the Kawasaki Vulcan S. Low Seat height, light weight, very nimble and maneuverable. I am a seasoned rider and I love my new 2016 Vulcan S ABS Cafe. Fun little bike.
I was surprised by it's small 650cc Parallel Twin engine. A lot peppier than I thought it would be. To me it felt a lot stronger off the line and the mid range than the Yamaha Bolt and with their Ergo Fit system it actually fit me better. I am 6'2" and the Extended Reach Set up fit me like a glove. Then there are riders that are 5'5" and the reduced reach set up works great for them. And the price is definitely right. I was going to get an Indian Scout but when I shopped around I got a brand new left over 2016 Vulcan S Cafe with ABS for less than half the price of the Scout. I just couldn't pass it up. I don't recommend the Vulcan S as a touring bike since it would get a bit buzzy on the highway revving as high as it does at highway speeds but for a commuter bike and all round fun bike for weekends it's close to perfect.
My first bike is a Suzuki boulevard c50 I needed something bigger because I am 6 foot four and weigh 300 lbs. So far so good easy to maneuver at slow speeds and so I am very comfortable with it. Is it normal to want something bigger after only one season of riding? I am 51 now so I am late in the game.
Your thoughts on a Honda NC750X DCT. First bike, haven’t ridden in forty years. I want to work up to the Gold Wing and thought this 750 was pretty cool to have the DCT.
My first bike was a Honda express and it had peddles and a basket on the front I was 11 years old and we got it collecting scrap metal I was not allowed it at first and got put on a pile I asked every day if I could have it as I watched it get burried under a pile of metal and one day I could not see it any more I kept on asking every day and one day he said I can have it. I spent a whole day getting it out it was seised sold and took me two days to get it running I will never forget her.these days I ride an old fzr 1000 exup and it makes my neck ache and i would like a bandit 1200 for comfortably
Kevin...in deciding on my first bike, I am looking at the Yamaha 650 Star Cruiser - with some chronic knee issues (@57yo), I need to have my feet in front of my knees otherwise after 10 minutes on a 'standard' or similar foot placement my knees will lock up and ache more! As I am also looking at cruising - not boy-racing - this feels right to me. While it is a 650cc (or 649cc...) it is not a powerful bike with quick acceleration, and in Australia it is at the top end of learner-approved bikes. Any thoughts on this choice?
So I have a 08 cbr 125 I was driving in highschool this was back in 2009 im 31 now and my GF inherited a 99 HD softail would this be a too big a step up?
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Started last July at age 52. Bought a HD Sportster a week before my MSF class, which used 250cc bikes. Love my Sporty!
Im 52 as well and starting this spring. Going with an 07 stratoliner, cant afford the harley I want. If I cant have one...might as well get something that will beat most of them, for under 4000 bucks tp boot! Happy cruisin, be safe!
This is a great series! I started riding 3 years ago. I started on a bike that was small, comfortable, and created confidence. I am 5' 6". I started on a Suzuki TU250X, which was fantastic for me because I could manuever the bike easily and it was not at all intimidating. I then moved to a Yamaha R3, which I still own and love. I bought my dream bike, a Triumph Bonneville, last fall. :)
Started riding in 2016 at the age of 24. Picked up a Honda CBR 500R 2014 as my first bike. Had around 4000 miles on it. The same bike now currently has close to 17.500 miles on it so I've ridden my fair share. About a year later I picked up my second bike, upgraded to a Honda CBR 600RR 2014. They both have been parked for more than two months now due to 3 feet of snow and temperatures below 5 degrees. Thank you for pulling me trough my winter depression by releasing these kinds of videos so I have something to watch while not being able to ride. Great content as always :)
I personally started on a used 2001 Honda Shadow VT750. It’s a heavier bike, but the low seat height, smooth power delivery and comfortable riding position it was a great starter bike for me. It’s 100 lbs heavier than the Rebel but I honestly never noticed the extra weight. It was comfortable to learn on after the MSF and as I grew as a rider it had plenty of power to where now 5 years on I still have it and use it for 2 up riding and have no issues. I will be upgrading soon but I definitely got my moneys worth at a $3250 price point.
KLR650! Great off road and an absolute legend thumper with a ton of customization options. The best and safest way to lean imho is off-road.
Just started riding and I bought an used 2012 HD Nighster Sportster...love it and I’m handling it just fine....a little heavy but I’m also 240 lbs...
Suzuki DR650 has served me well as a learner rider. Useful of you live in a country area where the sealed roads are rough or dirt roads. And gives you options to practice off road without traffic.
My first road bike was a 78 kz400. Loved that bike!
An awesome bike that handles well around town and easy to balance is a Suzuki S40. A single cylinder cruiser that has plenty of low end torque yet anyone can handle this bike. You can pick up a new “last year” model for $4k.
Awesome bike indeed. I have a 2006, that I picked up for $1800, with 6135 miles. Having so much riding it. Best choice I made.
Totally agree. I started with a nice red Honda Rebel 250. I think it's the easiest motorcycle to ride on, much like Yamaha Start 250 and other brands 250 cruiser-likes. Decent price, and the bike is known for reliability. If you think these bikes are "small" and not capable, check the forums. There are people who have done cross-country on these bikes. Put a year or so and go to your next motorcycle. By then you'll know your riding style too. I went for dual-sports!
Thanks for the great videos!
Great advice....
Love the BR-549 reference 😁
I would definitely recommend a used midsize bike as your first after your MSC just like what Kevin mentioned in his last video for new riders. If your going with something cruiser like a Vstar 250 or one of the rebels, you may find yourself wanting something more shortly after, so I would recommend a very cheap used model if going that route. The Honda Shadows are great bikes for beginners I think. 750 CC but shaft drive so not alot to get you in trouble, but may satisfy that need for a little more pull for a longer period of time.
7:22 Standing on a bike actually raises the centre of gravity! The advantage is this: Just like a jockey on a galloping horse, standing relieves the bike of your inertia, since now your legs are acting as large amplitude shock absorbers. While the motorcycle (or horse) is bouncing up and down, your body is moving more in a straight line and not bouncing up and down as much, relieving the motorcycle (or horse) of a heavy mass bouncing up and down on it. Of course, it also means the rider is relieved of bouncing up and down, definitely a plus for the spine (both the rider's and the mount's). The motorcycle handles better, just as the horse is less burdened and can gallop faster and with less exertion. The rider also has more freedom to move to counteract adverse motions, though obviously with less stability than if sitting.
This puzzled me for a long time until I read an explanation.
kevin, thank you for the video...my husband got a honda rebel recently because we cruise on the weekends...they always say don't get a bike you cannot handle, since i started on a honda 70 trailbike years ago, i decided to stick w/the scooters. My first was a honda 50 i rode back & forth to work on the backroads. The next was a yamaha 125 vino, at least i can keep up w/traffic, now my most recent is a honda pcx150 & i love it. I really stuck w/the scooters because of the gas mileage they get & still ride mine back & forth to work, but not during the wintertime. You really have to be extremely careful when riding & anticipate other driver's on the road which actually keeps you more alert. We are both in our 60's now, so a sport bike was out of the question for me.
In your 60's and a sport bike was out of the question?? I was 73 when I bought a sports bike (2018 Kawasaki ninja 400 KRT ABS) for my 74th birthday. Still having a blast with it at age 76.5!
@@usernamemykel I am a little bit overweight so it's very difficult for me to swing my leg over a bike now, so that's the reason I stick w/scooters. I even have to get on the driver's seat & then scoot back onto the passenger seat of my husband's harley three wheeler now. I have to stick with what I can handle.
@@usernamemykel Nearly 60 years ago: Puch 150cc scooter. Then, 1956 500cc Triumph Tiger 100, with saddlebags and rack. Many years later: 1982 Honda GL500 Silverwing Interstate. Now: 1983 Honda GL650 Silverwing Interstate. The GL's are shaft drive, top-heavy, but oh so comfortable, and the 650 is good on the freeway. Age 77. Did two courses 17 years ago, realised I knew nothing in my youth despite thousands of miles safely travelled (with some narrow escapes). The sound of a Triumph still delights.
Great advice Kevin! I am 61 yr and took my msf (Canadian equivalent) on a Yamaha 250 4 yr. ago. It served its purpose for the time but in reality, even for my license test it was too small a bike for me (6' 220lbs.) My shoulders outsized the mirrors and couldn't see behind me! My first bike was a Star 950 bagger and I loved it...but the floorboards scraped too easily and I moved on to a Star 1300. That was a great bike and I now ride my second Road King a 2017. I respect what I ride and never take for granted that a 1000 lb. motorcycle can be a challenge at any time. I put in a lot of practice time in vacant parking lots and low-speed manoeuvring is a critical skill for safely riding any motorcycle especially larger bikes. Your qualified advice, across the whole gamut of motorcycle safety, will benefit anyone who listens and follows your advice. Thanks for your time!
Agreed... agreed ... all great tips for a new rider. I started riding last August, and have the Honda CB500F, and CTX700... enough power to move along comfortably, but won't be pulling any accidental wheelies.
My suggestion on buying your first bike is just get almost anything and see if riding is for you. :) Get to riding.
I lucked into an 883 from late nineties in perfect condition. I'm learning to ride and that's what I'm learning to ride on. I call it my mini-bike! But, it worked out for taking the step of fullfilling my dream of riding.
Started on a Honda CB500F. Loved it for two years. This year I upgraded to 2017 CBR1000RR. Love it more! I think I may be the only one that's comfortable on a Supersport. Can ride for hours and hours.
Great video and great advice!
Have you considered discussing maxi-scooters as a first bike?
I was going start out on one, then decide on a larger bike, but my Suzuki Burgman 400 is such a great commuter. Not only did I stay with it but sold my Acura because I just wasn't driving it enough.
It'll cruise along at 85mph, and with low center of gravity it can corner fast and low. One thing I really like is it's unobtrusive enough that I can park on the sidewalk near a business' entrance (so far, the only place which asked me not to, was Costco).
I'm pretty surprised he didn't even mentioned scooters at all
Hello, Kevin! I love your videos! I chose wrong, but I don't regret it. I bought my first bike 3 months ago. The tall and heavy F800 GS Adventure. I was very scared initially. Now I'm more relaxed , enjoying my bike a lot. I ride very carefully, learning every day. Greetings from Brasil!
men i love your videos im newbi just 2 years riding i live in Taiwan motocycle too overprice here very very dangerous ride I always have to ride aggressive mode, I have kymco downtown 300i another year and change to yamaha bolt
Stopped riding for about 8 years. Just bought a 2016 Honda Fury or VT1300CX for my first bike back. I have loved it and my skills came back pretty quickly. But I really do recommend the riding class for ALL riders. Great Video Kevin!!
Shadow 750 was my starter bike. Got my first one when I was in university in the '80's, bought another one when I got back into riding 3 years ago. Riding a Moto Guzzi California 1400 now, but the Honda was a great bike to get me back riding.
I just got a neat Honda CBX 250. Great commuter and perfect starter bike. I'll probably keep it since I'm on the short end of the stick (5'4) and only plan on commuting on a road this motorcycle is capable to maintain the speed limit with ease. Thanks for the tips.
Recently read on the 'net about recommended sizes: google "so you wanna get a sportbike" images. Poster recommends to it two or fewer cylinders, and less than 750cc. Just as mentioned, the NC700X is a twin cylinder 750cc, whereas the Ninja ZX-6R is a four cylinder 600cc.
The poster gives a very good explanation on why not to get liter or 4 cylinder bikes.
My first was a 2002 Yamaha V-Star 1100 Silverado Edition. It was and is a great bike! But, it was way too much bike for a first bike. I dropped it twice at a stop when I first got it. Fortunately, I survived and learned a lot! 12 years later and I have a Indian Springfield and I'm still learning. I think of myself as a an experienced rider but, your videos have taught me that I still have so much to learn. Thank you so much for doing what you do and know that your videos are saving lives.
Looking back, I should have purchased the V-Star 650.
But, that air cooled 1100cc accelerated like a bat out of hell! I only wish it had a sixth gear.
Thanks David
Great video! I took my MSF class and learned on a Harley street 500. Then hubby bought me a Harley softail deluxe but I wasn't quite ready for it so we bought a pair of Honda rebels and have been riding them around together until I master the basics and feel ready to step up to my Harley and ride with him on his.
I started on a Yamaha R3 and then moved up to a Kawasaki Ninja 650, which both are sport bikes but have a more upright seating position. The R3 was a great bike to learn on. Great Video Kevin!
Some good advice here. I've only bought two new motorcycles in my 54 years of riding motorcycles. Older motorcycles with very low mileage are all over the place, if we will just look for them.
2 new ones for me too. My Road King is a 2014 with 400 miles on it when I got it.
The last two I bought, and still have was a 2006 Shadow 1100cc, with 12,K on it for under $3K, and a 2002 garage kept Goldwing with 20K on it for under $7K. I knew going in that the 24K mile service had never been done, so I had that expense added on to it.
Low mileage old motorcycles aren't necessarily a good deal. You want to add at least $1500 to your mental estimate on the cost to make up for the extensive work they may need. Even just a full going over can cost that much. And that's assuming that they don't have to go through and replace all the gaskets corroded parts as well as clean out the gunk.
On top of that, at a certain point it gets to be difficult to get replacement parts. If you don't mind doing your own work and can figure out how to repurpose parts from other models it's not as bad, but it's definitely not something that I'd personally recommend to new riders.
I agree. How old are the tires, or how many miles on them, they may need replacing. Like the Goldwing I bought, I knew going in that the 24,000 mile service needed to be done, and the windshield was turning grey from age. That alone was going to cost me at least $1,200. But with only 20,000 miles on it, and it being a really clean bike, I felt it was worth the money I was going to spend.
I love my FZ09 but ordered fork cartridges because the stock suspension is barely adequate. I tightened up the preload and rebound but need compression damping too. The tank is too small, though. Pretty much filling up every 100 miles. I love my DR650 too, it's a pig but great on dirt roads and not a terrible street bike. Not real big on the idea of tubed tires on the street though. It already had the aftermarket 5.3 gallon tank when I got it so Got well over 200 mile range. I've been on a lot of good adventures in Arkansas on the dirt roads.
Light weight saved me several times, with my first bike, on loose gravel and wet grass.
The honda shadow 750 works well to start out on 8f your going to be comuting on it and may need to get on a freeway or interstate. Though they are a bit heavy untill you get used to them
AGREED! Heavy enough that one must "manhandle" them - I ditched mine after two months. I ride a much more agile, lightweight, responsive (practically by telepathy) and gorgeous 2018 Kawasaki Ninja 400 KRT ABS. People look surprised when I take off my helmet and they see a 76.5 year old head! Hee hee!
I bought my dream machine as my first bike. It's a 2006 Triumph Scrambler 900, I've got it for five years now and I still look back at it when I walk inside after a ride.
Yep, I agree on the Yamaha V-star cruiser style that's good for those who have had no or very little experience riding a motorcycle. They have more grunt than the Honda Rebel 250 which is important to getting up to speed and out of situations in traffic. That's what I did, bought one second hand from a guy who had it for his wife, it was 2 years old and had 2K miles on it, and I bought it for over $2K less than the cost of a new one, not including what the dealer prep charges are! I weighed 210lbs at the the time, and it could do nearly 80 mph on the interstate if needed-albeit the engine was wound out pretty good haha! What was even cooler I was able to sell it some years later at only a slight loss.
I inherited a 1987 harley-davidson sportster 883. its a little heavy but leaving out in the country with no desire to ride in the city right away, i think I will be ok but I will be waiting another year yet.
I'm 58 and new to riding. I bought the Honda Rebel 500
Thank you for posting this video. Lots of good tips. I'm currently saving for my motorcycle. And future msf courses plus insurance
Awesome James, make sure and budget for some good gear as well. Thanks for watching.
Good for you James. Take your time, find the ride that's best for you - and make sure you buy a great helmet (I recommend HJC IS-17) and a good pair of gloves (I recommend Five's)
Great advise in this video. I recently bought a new (2016) Honda Rebel only 1 mile on it. I don't have any opposition to buying a used bike but given my very limited knowledge on what to look for, I took the less risky option and bought a new one. It's 250 so I was out the door with it for less than $4K. Even though I'm pretty sure it will be sold in less than a year I'm okay with that simply because the upfront investment wasn't that much and there is no doubt that a Honda Rebel will sell.
I have not seen you in a while, great to be back!
Good advice and summary. Many countries have a power limit, sometimes even a power/weight ratio limit, for new riders, but it sounds like that’s not the case in Texas(?).
My advice, once you’ve made your choice about style, size & weight, take a very close look at the tyre style (and condition, if used), because even a lot of new bikes come with pretty ordinary tyres that really don’t belong on the bike, or don’t suit the style of riding you might be mainly doing. If you don’t know much about tyres, ask an experienced friend, possibly the sales guy, or read plenty online, because tyres are critical for new riders in particular.
A good beginner bike is a trail/dirt bike style...they’re light, easily manoeuvrable, neutral seated position, and wider handlebars than standard. My first on road bike was a Yamaha XT500 ...I still think it was a great choice.
If I were buying today, if money weren’t an issue a detuned Ducati monster or Scrambler have good ergonomics. The V-star is always a good choice. Or any of the mid to light weight trail bikes that are road legal.
Correct in Texas as in (I believe) the entire US, no HP or power limit once you get your license. Caveat Emptor...
Sound advice Kevin, as always. But I took a road less traveled as I bought a new, 800 cc, almost flat-footable bike as my first bike and so far it has worked out well (Triumph Tiger 800).
The 800 cc triple's power delivery is manageable (and with ride-by-wire modes, you can change the throttle sensitivity if you want), and for me the high riding position was good for all the reason's you gave. Used they are few and far between in south Texas, so I bought new and just plan to keep it a while so the value drop per year is ok. It also came with traction control and ABS - which many cheaper bikes didn't have. Seat height-wise, I can almost flat foot it (flat foot on one side and on the balls of my feet on the other) that hasn't been an issue so far. I could flat-foot it in the showroom, but they come from the factory with no pre-load, so when I adjusted the suspension for a better feel, I lost about an inch of sag. I like the bike weight at around 480lbs - it strikes a balance between not being too light so the wind doesn't toss you around (especially on those high TX overpasses and on-ramps that can be scary to a new rider), and not being too heavy so that it gets away from you when at low speeds..
The bike has been anything but boring in the 6 months of ownership which is another advantage to a capable bike that is manageable - chances are most people wont outgrow it and sell it as quickly as a traditional starter bike. Yes I have dropped it during the learning cycle and maybe if it was smaller it would not have happened - 2 times on pavement and once on dirt. But ADV bikes can take it as the crash protection on it meant it only cost me (2) turn signals, one brake lever, one gear shift lever, a scuffed handguard, and a slightly bruised ego. I keep and extra turn signal in stock now. All relatively cheap. Hopefully now after 2500 miles, my chances of future drops are far less - but its good to know it wont be the end of the world if it happens again. Cheers.
+Al Sinopoli Love the Tiger 800! Very nice bike 👍👍🏍️
Started with 250 cc which I hated it after about a month or so but stuck with it for 5 years then jumped ship to 1800 cc cycle Goldwing. Still and always learning to ride.
BIG freekin' jump!!!!!
With 10 years riding, I know have an Honda CB250 *(Yes 250cc)* .
It goes 70, 80 mph at low revs (what she likes 5700 to 6500 rpm), has a fuel autonomy of 310 miles, at 90 mpg, weights 330 pounds of flickable joy.
I've got a SYM Wolf Classic 150, which is just a rebadged, blown-out Honda CB125. Top speed 65mph, 270 pounds wet. Small bikes rule.
I also have a 1991 CB 250 Nighthawk. I've been riding over 20 years now. And have clocked over 500,000 miles. Have 4 bikes around most of the time.
But I really love this Nighthawk. I have even done some 3 and 4,000 miles trips with it. Just me and I don't normally carry much. NEVER had a issue with her. Change her oil, tires, and chain / cogs as needed and she is happy. Handles curves almost like a sportsbike and hardly complains on the highway. It is probably my favorite ride, even with a 2000 VS800 Intruder, a 96 LS650 Savage, FJR 1300, and a DL 650 sitting in the stable. I ride all and love all of them. But I find I love my little CB 250 the most. I wish Honda would bring back the Nighthawk line. I would get every size made just because. They are bullet proof.
Enjoying these weekly programs... great job; however, you forgot to mention the "forgotten" motorcycle, the scooters. Great for commuters and other adventures. Thanks for this series... be safe!
You are right Martha. I don't have much experience with scooters so sometimes I need a swift kick to remember. 😉
A scooter can be the better fit for many people. The smaller ones (at least 250cc) are reasonably light and perform well for most tasks (they can do the freeway thing but not really recommended). Most scooters downfall is a tall seat. For those who have a difficult time with the clutch, accelerator, shifter, and brake (using all four limbs) the scooters are so much easier using both hands for all controls.
I ride 2-up on a Suzuki Burgman 650 with heated seats grips, electric windshield, plugs for heated jackets, etc. It's comfortable for how my wife and I ride but we'd still like a Goldwing (cost, weight, maintenance just generally prohibit that). Our "road strategy" to pick our motorcycle was to carefully look at my age and physical ability, how we really ride (not multiple days on a single trip but 400+ miles in a day have been done). Right now the Burgman 650 still fits the bill- but just barely!
SV650S 2nd gen is my first, light and easy and in the same time very capable if you roll on.
Andrew...how did you find the weight of this bike?? I am looking at this as well and it does seem to be on the heavy end of the smaller cruisers...
Okay, I had a KZ 400 back in 83-86, got rid of it to buy a Vette. So now I’m 57, and have been wanting to get back on a bike. Did a lot of research, and talked to three good friends. One is a retired CHP motorcycle officer, 14 years on the bike. One is a biker I became friends with, he has been riding for 45 years. Another is a friend who rides and has a degree in physics and engineering. Plus other friends. All 3 suggested buying the bike I ultimately want to ride, and learning on that. One told me going from a starter to full dresser is like learning to ride all over again, but bad habits on a small bike are dangerous and a lot more serious on an 800# bike. In the words of the biker, “You’ll be too scared to try anything stupid on a bike that big.” They encouraged me to decide by sitting on different bikes and seeing how each feels. I’m 6’1 and 257. Finally I stopped to look and picked out a bike, the salesman made sure I could flat foot it and the weight wasn’t overwhelming. He did that by having me raise the kickstand and center the bike, using my leg to lift and my shoulders to center the bars, him and another guy were there because as he said, “Not everyone is as strong as they look.” . I signed up for the MSF course and at the urging of the cop a 2 hour private lesson on my own bike 2 days later. Where I live MSF uses HD Street 500’s, He told me after I pass ride the side streets for at least 2 full days and practice everything I learned. So the bike is an ‘08 Ultra Classic. I live in Buffalo, so my test ride was around the dealers large lot in 39 degree weather. So here we go.
Haven't had a ride for years. Last month it started looking like I might get the chance to buy a Triumph. This video gave me really good things to consider before I plunk down the cash. Not sure when he will make the decision to let this bike go...he has four BSA motorcycles. He could make a decision so I could sign up for a class!
I have been riding for 16 years, I started on a yamaha r6 brand new, it wasn’t a great choice looking back. I didn’t crash it and didn’t have any issue but still not the best choice. I currently own a yamaha FJR 1300 and a husqvarna fe 501. My wife want to learn to ride, she’s taking her mandatory 40 hours course in a few weeks. I decided to buy her a kawasaki ninja 250r to start with. It’s a 2009, paid 1000$ for it, can’t lose much if she drop it a few time. I would have prefered a Z300 or MT-03 but it’s not available here in canada.
I've only ever owned / ridden dual sports , and dirt bikes . I started out in the dirt ( at age 6 , and I'm 35 now . ) on motorcycles , and just feel confident on that type of bike . My current bike is a 2015 Honda CRF250L , and I love it because it gets me anywhere , and everywhere I want to go ! = )
I'm a fan of the Honda CRF250L and the Yamaha WR250r. Would like to have either one of those.
I haven't had the pleasure of riding the Yamaha WR250R , but the Honda CRF250L is an excellent bike . Everyone I've let ride it ( In the woods , because I don't let anyone ride my bikes on the road . ) has loved it , and it gets complimented everywhere I go . = )
Getting older and wiser helps somewhat the choice of the first bike. I don't have my European A licence yet, but project is going on. I dreamed about XL650 Transalp, until I finally got a chance to sit on it on the local MC fair as there happened to be one in the 2nd hand bikes department. First impression: Too heavy, too high. I could put both feet flat on the ground, but still, I didn't feel confident with the weight. So I went back to Kawasaki department and sat again on that Versys-X 300 and felt that it is more the thing I want to start with. Anyway being on budget, not really bought it yet, but instead done a lot of shopping on riding gear sales. I hope I can find a cheap used Versys that has done it's first round as a beginner bike.
7:40 I'm not sure how standing up could lower the center of gravity. Did you mean something else by that statement?
Your attitude and maturity have a lot to do with it also.
Still Loving my rebel 250 after a year and 7k miles! Paid $1500 for it with 1500 miles.
FYI, prices on the little cruisers seem to be creeping up. I rarely see nice rebel250 or virago250 for under 2k anymore.. add 500-1000 at a dealer.
From my point of view a very good motorcycle yo start with is the KTM Duke 200cc. But I agree with Kevin, buy it used.
I road bikes up into my 40’s then stopped. I am now retired at age 65 and bought a Harley Fat Bob 114. The way I chose my bike was to physically sit on every bike at the Harley dealer. The Fat Bob just felt right. I bought it 5 weeks ago and have put 2,500 miles on it. I think this bike falls into the sporty / cruiser type. I will be riding it from CA to TX in about three more weeks. My first bike was a Honda 400/4
I plan to get a super tenere like yours as first bike
Hey Kevin, when you decide to sell the Tenere, let me know. Have been wanting one for a few months now and fell in love after the demo ride.
I started last year with a 2003 Honda Shadow Spirit 750. It's not too heavy that I can't compensate, and while it's got a bigger engine, I don't feel like it's too much power (plus, I'm a big guy). I would say that it's a good starter bike.
Came here to say this; leaving satisfied. I had 2 Shadows: one when i was in university in the '80's and one 2 years ago when I got back into riding. Nice bike, super forgiving, well made, lots of after market parts for mods and a lot of fun.
I'm 54. I cut my teeth on a 1985 Honda Shadow 700. Loved it. It was a great little bike but these days I ride a '14 Indian Chieftain. It's the shit!
My 1st bike was a new shaft-driven 1985 Honda Shadow 500. A PERFECT 1st bike!!!
what about an Indian bobber?
Kevin, love your show. I say get what you want to ride right away. Too small and you will get bored with it very soon and wished you would have bought what you wanted in the first place. Saves a lot of time screwing around. just my .02
Too big is a problem also. Don't be in such a hurry that you'll grab the first shiny one. Kinda like picking a wife, you have to bond with her.
@@billaustin650 You want a tarnished wife???????????????/
Royal Enfield classic 350. Slow, old fashioned British Thumper, but with soul.
Beautiful bikes.
I've returned after 30 years away from motorcycling but after a few lessons I got myself a bmw 1150rt my god it's good to be back.
Great video. Sucks for me my main bike needs to go the shop for repair but the shop is closed. So I need to get a back-up bike so bad.
I learned to ride when I inherited a motorcycle. It was Dad's.
I'm 50, been riding superbikes 30 yrs. My brain still says 1000RR but my body is saying Concours 14.😩
I cant ride a superbike more than 30 minutes w/o a trip to the chiropractor. 😉
It's still not too late to realize how better to ride Harleys. :))
tom rebel I ride a Concours 14 I’m 53 yro. It’s the best bike I’ve ever had since I was 15yro. And it’s FAST!!! Boy can it handle too. Most of the younger guys I follow in the crochet rockets are surprised when we meet up at the gas station and I take off my helmet and show my true age. I just tell them. “It’s cause of the bike” that I can ride like them. And it’s comfortable and planted to the road.
Had a Concours 14 for 3 years. Very fast. Handles good too. A lot more comfortable.
Hahaha! Funny you.
Hey, Kevin. Buying a first bike. I'm 6'6" and 240+ lbs and I'm over 50 yrs old. Eventually I'd like to do long distance adv touring on a BMW GSA. Did my MSC course and got my licence 6 years ago, but life was, well, life. I'm planning to take the course again, and I'm ready to start again. Recommendations?
What do you th8nk of the 2009 kawasaki ninja 500R? Good 1st bike? I found one at 207km! That's right, you saw it correctly- 207kms. Its brand new in showroom shape.
As always, great video with a lot of great info and suggestions!
FYI Since Honda came out with the next generation Rebel in 2017 the new 2015s and 2016s still in showrooms have huge discounts. Dealer here has brand new 2015 Rebel marked down a $1000 to $3200.
Thank you for the informative video! This'll make my first purchase easier.
Hi Kevin.
You consistently put out awesome and top rate videos. I do have a concern on size for a first bike for me. I am 6’5, 230. I am wanting to get a cruiser . However , the smallest bikes I like are the Kawasaki Vulcan S, and the Honda CTX 700. I felt comfortable also on a Suzuki Boulevard C50. What are you thoughts on larger people and bikes that would be good for them?
Very, very solid advice.
I ride a moto guzzi v7ii. My favorite bike by far. Light, fun, traction control abs. Its awesome for commuting and just having fun. This is great advice.
I ride a Moto Guzzi Cali 1400 Touring now, but I was to get a 2nd bike, the V7ii or V7iii Stone would be my pick
Used for a first time buyer. Go to a first tier dealer to get a starter bike tradein. Yeah I know, but 70% of the Craigslist 250s have been dropped or badly maintained or the owner now hates the bike (or got it in trade for some shady thing). A real dealer (not a little shop) might charge 2000 for that used Rebel you can buy for 1500 on CL, but a dealer should have put about $400 worth of service on that trade in (chain, oil, tuneup, maybe tires) Well worth it, and the dealer will set you up with a class, maybe toss in a promo helmet and will probably drop it safely at your house with a limited days warranty. All worth the extra $500.
Oh don't let them charge you a prep or freight fee (that's for new bikes) just the price + tax, title and tag. Even with the CL bike you're going to pay those same government fees plus the hassle of waiting in line(sssss) at some DMV.
Buying your $10k dream used bike later might be worth the risks of the direct sale, but if the starter bike is under $2200 there is little difference in price. BTW a thousand dollar bike is typically a partially broken bike. Do not buy unless you bring a real mechanic with you.
But it doesn't matter if a starter bike has been dropped as long as it is in good mechanical condition. A new rider is likely to drop it anyway.
You can buy new for a minimum of 5K out the door and sell in 1 year for 2K or buy used for 2K and sell in a year for 1.8K.
I only think a new starter bike is worth it if you never plan to upgrade, even then there are TONS of low mile bikes that pop up all the time that can save you a lot of money. It is important to have someone who knows bikes to look at it if you are buying used.
MCrider. Yes but i suggested used at a dealer, not new. As to starter: many casual and curious riders may buy this bike and stop there (at least for years). Cheap to own, cheap to insure, run and maintain, easy to store. This "starter bike" mantra of a 250 or 300 is propagated by dealers and manufacturers to pump return sales. You have become a bit of a bike collector of late Kevin having a very good bike, buying another, then changing your mind and buying yet another in less than a few months. In that you may have fallen victim to the buying culture.
Often these CL bikes have a shady past. Bought for children that wrecked them in a week, then the repair shops tidied up the corners and the owner (or parents) have forced the sale. "Bought" as trades for some barter work. Passed around by some careless owners or rebuilt by learners. Some have been retired from training classes and dropped many many times, plus kicked about by staff and hauled unceremoniously by instructors on freight trucks.
Dealer 250 std bikes that they will sell often have less than 6000 miles, have been traded in by the real enthusiast (typically an adult) that did buy it as a trainer for a year or two. Good tier-one dealers will dump old 20k+ tradein little bikes in poor condition to wholesalers/curbstoners that will sell them in the classifieds.
You can find legitimate, barely used bikes in classifieds, but will the new buyer be able to sort the wheat from the chaff. A good, low mile Star or Rebel bought for a wife that never took to it, will likely sell for 1800 where a dealer trade will probably sell for 2200. Not a lot of difference, for the work to find a good one amongst the rams.
Always buy the best you can for a reasonable price. A 250 can be a very solid bike. If it is not a pile of junk it will be safer and will encourage better riding habits and experience. If the new owner spends more time fixing than riding, then they will quickly tire of the pastime.
I could be wrong, but I've done this for forty two years myself. I've always regretted having anything junky, and spent more on the great deal junk than the good.
No doubt there are some bad bikes out there on CL but there are a lot of good ones too at least in the DFW market. That's why you need to know what you are looking at or take someone who does. Buying from a dealer used is no guarantee that the bike will be good either, it should always be buyer beware.
As far as the bikes I have bought and sold recently here is the truth to that matter. I bought the FZ-07 on Craigslist and sold it for more than I paid for it...on Craigslist. I used some of that money and bought the Bonneville from an individual which I traded to the dealer for more than I paid for it on the used Road King. I have no problem with buying from an individual or a dealer. I just want people to make an educated decision in the process.
You can make a few trades if you know what to look for on Craigslist and come out ahead in the long run. By no means is that the only way to do it. There is no way in a video I can cover every base but I do share what has worked for me.
Thanks for your insight as well, much appreciated.
Cheers brother. :)
MCrider. Good luck with the series. You do a quality program. I assume the savvy street buyer "education" one is next, so I wouldn't want to queer your angle. Remember that we are in our 50s and grew in a mechanics world where most boys knew machines. Many today do not have that world, never have, never will. They will not get the mechanical eye, no matter what you say, and their trusted friend knows no more than them. Thus kids obsess over buying colorful gear and accessories today.
I like how you teach them steady nerves and good road strategy, instead of how cool you can look or how fast you can go. BTW this "you're going to drop it" philosophy may be self fulfilling. I've not gone down since I was 14 on a junky CL70. A driver turned left in front of me on an empty residential street, and I hit him at about 10 (down from 30). I learned to watch for the unexpected. People today talk about dropping their bike (no car involved) all the time like it is normal. Don't let them. If a rider can't hold up their own bike or make a simple corner or curve, then they need a 100cc moped, a bicycle or a bus pass. You did a good job mentioning buy a bike you can flatfoot, hold and lift. Keep stressing that every show in this series. They buy bikes too big for them.
You may erase this thread if it distracts from your series angle. Nice conversation.
Thanks for the conversation. It doesn't bother me at all if someone disagrees with me...as long as it is in a civil manner like you did. It's the guys who come on trying to start a flame war get a quick boot out the door. ;)
I know it is an older bike but I am looking at a Honda Helix for myself because one it's an automatic 2 it also has built-in storage which we both know not very many quote on quote street bikes has storage and I love Goldwing but I hate the weight so I enjoy what I started on which was a scooter my very first scooter was a 86 Honda Spree because the way I was taught I cannot justify upgrading to a bigger bike without seats time there is a difference between confidence and cockiness Cockiness on a motorcycle will end up getting you hurt if not killed but lack of confidence is just as deadly that is my two cents on my birthday
All good advice.
Thank you Kevin!
Excellent video and advice. Cheers
Thinking about getting back on a bike after 40 years. I am 61. Thinking of buying and keeping a Yamaha VStar 250. But I wonder if I am too old.
I'm 76.5 years of age and riding a 2018 Kawasaki Ninja 400 KRT ABS sport bike and LOVING IT since 2019.
@@usernamemykel Buddy, my friends and family have discouraged me so much, I more afraid now than when I received a Selective Service Notice in 1980
One of the Best Beginners Motorcycle's is the Kawasaki Vulcan S. Low Seat height, light weight, very nimble and maneuverable. I am a seasoned rider and I love my new 2016 Vulcan S ABS Cafe. Fun little bike.
I have never ridden the new Vulcan but it does look like a nice midsize cruiser.
I was surprised by it's small 650cc Parallel Twin engine. A lot peppier than I thought it would be. To me it felt a lot stronger off the line and the mid range than the Yamaha Bolt and with their Ergo Fit system it actually fit me better. I am 6'2" and the Extended Reach Set up fit me like a glove. Then there are riders that are 5'5" and the reduced reach set up works great for them. And the price is definitely right. I was going to get an Indian Scout but when I shopped around I got a brand new left over 2016 Vulcan S Cafe with ABS for less than half the price of the Scout. I just couldn't pass it up. I don't recommend the Vulcan S as a touring bike since it would get a bit buzzy on the highway revving as high as it does at highway speeds but for a commuter bike and all round fun bike for weekends it's close to perfect.
My first bike is a Suzuki boulevard c50 I needed something bigger because I am 6 foot four and weigh 300 lbs. So far so good easy to maneuver at slow speeds and so I am very comfortable with it. Is it normal to want something bigger after only one season of riding? I am 51 now so I am late in the game.
Your thoughts on a Honda NC750X DCT. First bike, haven’t ridden in forty years. I want to work up to the Gold Wing and thought this 750 was pretty cool to have the DCT.
I want a triumph Bonneville speedmaster for my first street bike
Good advice
My first bike was a Honda express and it had peddles and a basket on the front I was 11 years old and we got it collecting scrap metal I was not allowed it at first and got put on a pile I asked every day if I could have it as I watched it get burried under a pile of metal and one day I could not see it any more I kept on asking every day and one day he said I can have it. I spent a whole day getting it out it was seised sold and took me two days to get it running I will never forget her.these days I ride an old fzr 1000 exup and it makes my neck ache and i would like a bandit 1200 for comfortably
Run-on sentence - keeps "peddling" along. "Seised sold" must be a new type of currency, or Vietnamese soup.
First streetbike 1999 Sportster 883..Now my dreambike.. 1999 Valkyrie 1500.
A 2015 is an eight-year-old bike. That’s a little bit old but yeah used can be a good thing or could be a bad thing in my case it was a good thing.
Nice video! What are your thoughts on the BMW R1200C, not as an entry bike but, rather as the next step up in the cruiser class?
Kevin, how would you classify a 2018 Kawasaki Ninja 400?
Thank you !
Always appreciate your video, learnt a lot.
my first bike was a 66 bonneville in 73 still got too
Kevin...in deciding on my first bike, I am looking at the Yamaha 650 Star Cruiser - with some chronic knee issues (@57yo), I need to have my feet in front of my knees otherwise after 10 minutes on a 'standard' or similar foot placement my knees will lock up and ache more! As I am also looking at cruising - not boy-racing - this feels right to me. While it is a 650cc (or 649cc...) it is not a powerful bike with quick acceleration, and in Australia it is at the top end of learner-approved bikes. Any thoughts on this choice?
So I have a 08 cbr 125 I was driving in highschool this was back in 2009 im 31 now and my GF inherited a 99 HD softail would this be a too big a step up?
Damn, that dash on the Goldwing looks like one you'd find on a spaceship! What do all those buttons do?!?
Great advice!
Liking the Junior Sample reference.
So would you consider your old Ninja 650 to be a good bike for a new rider? I like the look of them, but know I don't want too much bike.
My first bike is a VROD Muscle
I need to talk to you for a coincidental event that happened this week! It will blow your mind!
What if I don't have a mechanic friend. Can I ask the owner if it is ok for me to bring the bike to a mechanic before the sale?