SMITE: Top 5 WORST Items in Season 6
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- Top 5 list of the worst items in Smite Season 6. Pretty much all of the items on this list are here for different reasons, ranging from unsynergistic stats over bad passives to simply being overshadowed by other better items.
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>When you see your support go Stone of Fal first item for the 10% CDR
ADC: *Kill me please*
Enemy team: _My pleasure _
Bruh i had a ranked game yesterday with a support do this and start jungling. He went 0 and 9 and had the lowest lvl by the end of the game. It was a xingtian
@@AmericanAppleProd well you do expect them to be the lowest level, and 0/9 means nothing without game length or assist numbers. But yeah don't build stone of fal
@@ashra8281 at all or just not early to mid game? Im a joust purest looking dor conquest tips
@@Troll_vs. build based on enemy comp. Stone of fal is ment to be an anti one shoot item. Build either heartward or gauntlet of thebes. Those give auras for the team. And you get decent hp.
@@Troll_vs. at all i would say. it's better than a lot of people think it is. But you really only want to be picking up against heavy burst mages like a he bo, then there are better items. It's too aggressive for a support most of the time anwyays
I’m confused they made that change to Stone of Fal. I remember it was supposed to be used by Mages for a anti-one shot item, where anything that did more than 30% of your health was reduced to only 30% of your health or something. I don’t even remember when it changed to the terrible thing it is now. I think the concept of an anti one shot item is cool but I think it needs to be done much differently than it was
Yeah, the old concept was definitely better, maybe needed some tweaks. It was changed in May 2018
DukeSloth I would say it must have been a minor update but who was actually paying attention to that item anyway lol
The Dawg a good posiden ult😂😂 man you are funny
Spectral Armor is amazing in my low-level Bronze Arena games, where 3/5 of the enemy team builds crit. =P
That shit don’t work! I swear you can have over 200 physical defense and crit Mercury can delete you.
Spectral Armor should be an aura. I don't like building it purely because it only effects me, but if i go up against Merc and Jing Wei i would want to keep them from criting squishies so hard, not to keep myself from getting crit hard.
I like the idea of it being an aura, but it would have to be a VERY small radius, so it only affects allies really close to you. Otherwise it would be broken.
@@DukeSloth dont think itd be broken i mean we have 3 items that give out a protection aura totally up to an actual defence item it also will only be usable in metas involving crits
You just fixed the item with that aura idea. I agree with DukeSloth on it having a small 10-20 unit radius so you basically provide strong nerf to crits to allies receiving or enemies dishing out critical damage.
It would be cool if the reduction scales based on how close your teammates are, teammates that are 45 units away only get a 20% reduction but ones that get up to 15 and closer get the full 50%
@@ghost1182able the problem is that it would counter gods like mercury who build crit, especially combined with other aura items
Thank god Frostbound is absent. That’s honestly one of my favorite items even if it’s not that good.
I go triple hammer hercules solo and watch as the enemy mid develops Hercules PTSD.
ViraL Cyclopes lmao
People sleep on frost bound hammer cernnunos
jboogi90 no they don’t frostbound and runeforge were huge on him earlier this year
@@evanbutcher7475 in the spl? I dont have much TV time anymore holidays in the post office sucks
I think Frostbound isn't terrible, it's just that the gods who use it best aren't super high in the meta rn. If we had a Bellona meta for example, that could change.
throwback to the old stone of fal that just prevented you from taking more than 30% of your health in damage every 60 seconds
while we're at it lets bring back the old soul eater to get that silverbranch rolling again lol
Mail of renewal is an ok item... in Arena. Well, actualy most items are good in that mode if your team is destroying the enemies.
Yeah but in arena you can just build Gaia... Or go back to base.
I've used Mail of Renewal in Arena or Assault if I have strong frontline cc like on Ymir or disruptive engagements like SWK. Still though to pull it out on regular due to antiheal being so present.
Love that dukesloth said even he doesn’t do the stone fall numbers even tho he’s known as the numbers guy 😂
Duke: soul eater is great on pele so i can't call it the worst.
Cama: am i a joke to you
Hm, idk. He has a bit of extra lifesteal, sure, but his abilities - aside of his ult - are not very multi-target. That means the ability lifesteal is pretty low. He's not bad with it for sure, but also not overly great. It hasn't been used on him in comp since early 2018, which I guess is a bit of an indication.
Yeah but for Camazotz you can pickup Transcendence for more healing as well due to his heal power scaling / lifesteal which is based off damage (and more damage = more lifesteal).
@@fatdonut2164 on King Arthur wtf and 99% of the time youre also getting glad shield, getting anti heal will just shut him down
Personally with Artemis passive I build poison star 3rd. Is an occasional pick up for me on bakasura. Overall I don't think it's terrible but I would like the star tree to get a buff, poison in particular.
Also I feel soul eater is fairly useful on ability based warriors. The cdr and lifesteal enable me to brawl with enemies more effectively.
Wow, I can see it's been a while since I've looked at Stone of Fal's passive. It used to be a good item once upon a time. Didn't it used to have a passive that a single magical attack had it's damage capped at a certain percentage of your health? It was a counter to certain ults, like Kuku, Poseidon, and Scylla.
Yeah, was changed in May 2018
Sundering spear? Haven't seen it in literally years now
It's picked in pro league to delete targets
@@NightDweller not really pbm picked it up and no one else does. And it hasn't really worked
That's true. I didn't say it was picked all the time or by whom. I think aror or neil picked it too once or twice
Spear is actually starting to be seen on supports in duo as first relic for Phys gods. Most Warrior/Assassin NEED to snowball well in the early game, and spear opens them up for good amount of burst aggression.
@@patricksquires-angell8005 no it doesn't. Blink does.
There's hardly any reason to take spear especially as unlike most relic you can just miss it
When you show the item and I think "OH YEAH that is an item that exists." you know it is very bad.
Spectral Armor is not an anti-ADC item, it’s to counter ability based crit from characters like Serqet, Ne Zha, to a lesser extent Mercury, etc.
Even with Spectral Armor, it won't be enough to slow them down. Maybe in a solo fight with them sure, but in the case of a team fight is going to be a problem.
Dony forgeg hard criting jing wei
Poison star is only good on Artemis for her passive, otherwise worthless. Soul Eater is no where near the bottom, probably around mid tier. On a physical ability based god, it can seriously save your ass, whereas asi likely wont. Asi is really only good on high attack speed builds, or youll heal practically nothing off of it, whereas one ability can heal several hundred health, and with a god like AMC, soul eater basically makes you invincible you just heal so much. Find one wave of minions, throw your abilities at it, gain a thousand health back instantly, go back into the fight. Is it top tier? No. It is quite situational, but in those situations is can be insanely beneficial.
Asi isn’t only good on high attack speed builds, it used to be that case, but with the buff to its passive increase it’s become much better. Still need at least some attack speed, though definitely not only good on high attack speed builds.
As Izunami I have been using Frostbound in combination with poison star and one to two other crit items, the intense slow combined with her two causes nearly immobile targets.
Rama as well
Oh you’re one of those people huh
I used to do that for fun in arena while also getting atalantas bow. They get perma slowed while you gain movement speed
Now that Heimdallr is a thing, I'm fairly confident that we'll be seeing more Spectral Armor.
Heim's autos hit very hard and his crits may be passively capped at 75%, but him having ranged AoE autos that deal higher than average base damage more than make up for that.
I built Spectral yesterday and it actually worked pretty well against Heim. I could be very wrong here, but we'll see.
Even though I'm late, just wanted to throw my hat in the Loki discussion. People hate Loki because of how most people play him, which, frankly, is cancer. His Decoy has TERRIBLE clear when compared to other abilities-for it to even kill archers you have to max it instead of your damaging abilities and that makes you useless early/mid-game.
If you rush boots & Hydra's and max your 1, you can 100-0 any squishy (aa cancel w/your decoy silly gooses). You still have to be careful w/positioning but split-pushing is just cheap, boring & ineffective. So please don't.
This is not to say he's in an OK spot. He relies too much on single-target damage. Buffing him too much is a bad idea, but a rework I would like to see is to give him Hun Batz's passive. It fits Loki's playstyle more than the monkey's.
It would be interesting if Loki could not be revealed in stealth for, say, the first 1-1.5s of the ability, as a small counter to Heimdallr/Arondight (Loki should counter Heim-they're supposed to be rivals,, which means they counter EACH OTHER) but IDK how much backlash that would cause. It's worth mentioning his decoy can block aa's, abilities like Ullr axe throw/Thanatos scythe/Ao Kuang dragons, and trap people in corners.
I don't want Loki to be OP or more cancerous than he already is, but I am rather fond of the 1)Stealth 2)1-combo-squishy playstyle. There are counters to this (Aegis/beads, mobility/CC). I don't want an unbeatable mechanic.
I am currently a high diamond/low masters player in ranked Conquest. I have over 7k worshippers on Loki. Hopefully, that makes me a qualified source in your guys' opinion lmao.
I second this, too many people are getting built in stealth reveals and since Loki is arguably the god of stealth and tricker, he should have a counter
If you like Loki's stealth and burst just play Ao lol
If you liked his AA plays then Susano-o exists, as does Da Ji
All of them also have ways to aid their teammates, which makes them vastly superior to Loki, the patron god of solo players who treat every game like a deathmatch
@@All4Tanuki Exactly. The problem w/ Ao is that his stealth isn't really stealth-it's ridiculously easy to pop & the water illusion makes it easy to tell where you are.
Da Ji has no true escape unless you want to waste your ult (teleport doesn't usually help unless there are minions nearby).
Bottom line, I don't like either of them that much.
Susano's AAs are slow & feel much more clunky to me. Just a personal opinion.
I do play these gods occasionally. I don't play exclusively Loki. I just like his kit the most. Every god's playstyle is unique and while some are similar, none are exactly the same.
Loki's lack of CC is a huge downfall. No arguments there.
My point is Loki needs a CHANGE.
If you hate him because he is the "patron god of solo players who treat every game like a deathmatch," that is exactly the point. You hate the PLAYERS, not the god. Although I find is worse they try to AFK farm for half of the game, making it basically a 4v5 until late, where the only thing they do is split push (which is the exact opposite of a "deathmatch," btw).
Every god has their own combination of strengths, weaknesses, quirks, downfalls and playstyle-and I happen to like Loki's, more than Da Ji, Susano, Ao Kwang, or any other god. Just because I like Loki doesn't mean he's the best god out there. It just means I like playing a character even though they're the worst in the game.
And again, I'm not a noob. I know what a meta is. Doesn't mean I'm going to follow it lol.
Yes! SoF passive buff please! Even just making SoF's passive work before mitigations would make the item significantly better! I have been wanting this for a very long time now!
On another note, I often want a hybrid magical protections item with CDR for my mages and guardians... I also often want a hybrid physical protections item with CDR for my mages and guardians... SoF is the sole of the former; none exist of the latter. Can we get a hybrid physical def item with CDR, please?
Soul eater is literally my favorite item. That’s a big oof. I build it on most of my physical gods if I need a bit of lifesteal. Mostly ability focused gods like susano
Soul Eater is good for two things generally now. 60 power on a lifesteal item that provides lifesteal on abilities and provides 10% cdr which works well when you're going a Heartseeker build which needs as much power as possible and cdr. Soul Eater and Hydra's Lament usually replace Jotunn's and they provide a lot more late game damage separately.
Honestly, I find soul eater to be a great warrior item, it gives you an even better ability to tank and a way to heal off minions if you are ability based
Regarding the masks, the only niche I've personally found for any of them is Bumba's Mask on Morrigan funnily enough, it allows you to easily bridge the gap to 40% CDR when using a chronos pendant and boots of focus, which are must-haves in my opinion due to the necessity of her ult, and it allows her to move insanely fast whilst simultaneously going invisible constantly. Essentially, reduces her burst damage for a much more hit-and-run style of play, particularly useful for using her in the jungle, which is where I main her.
Voix bumbas is also dirty on Vulcan and Scylla
Would love to see an expanded version of this, maybe do top 3 worst offensive physical, top 3 worst offensive magical and top 3 worst defensive in 1 video
“AnTi HeAl Is EaSy To CoMe By”
*Buys meditation*
Med in Joust is meta. Early sustain trumps all so you get to 5 faster and wipe. The health and mana surpass the temporary shield Shell provides until much later in the game and games are decided by then.
XxRokusasuxX but that’s not what he said. He said bracer and mail are bad items because they heal. Which is dumb because he can say that about any item in the game and how you can easily counter them. Doesn’t mediation being meta in joust counter his “Anti heal is easy come by” argument? Meditation being meta just shows that healing items/relics can be useful in many situations but not all.
Val Gal he literally said his list is for conquest LMFAOOOOO. EXCLUDING OTHER GAME MODES..........
Val Gal Bro, joust starts at lvl 3, conq at 1, joust has early game snowballing like a mf, conq doesn’t. Med is shit. Joust simply has the right circumstances for med to be decent.
Also, no, you can’t say healing is bad about any item because bracer and mail are bad. Your logic is idiotic and you clearly didn’t pay attention to what he was saying. Bracer- takes up a relic slot, heals for only 40% of dmg taken and has a long cooldown. Mail- only heals when getting a kill or assist, making it obsolete for 5, 10, even 20 minutes at a time, heals for only a small percent and is over time.
Now, let’s look at other healing items, which is really just lifesteal at this point- only needs to land basics (or abilities), doesn’t have cool down and is useful in and outside of team fights.
Bracer and mail are bad items not just because they heal, but the circumstances, requirements, amount, and cooldown of their healing.
Idk what lvl in this game you are, but you clearly have a lot to learn.
Artic Creature
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I'd love to see silver branch bows passive be changed to were you get more attack speed based on your power. More power equals more attack speed, seems simple and still has it's identity as an item revolving around attack speed.
Nah i think the idea is good. So many hunters want to build attack speed, but then have like 80% AS stims anyways, so they overcap by default. They gotta nerf the stats or make it more expensive, for an overall buffed passive.
Then all hunters would build power with only one attack speed item and it would even more cancerous than it is now. Imagine Ullr building all power burst items, like all ullr mains do, but also with silverbranch.
@@burak5601 I didn't lay out any stats so honestly this comment makes no sense, why would an item your haven't seen be too good? All I was saying is that if they want silver branch to be an attack speed item then maybe my idea is worth looking into, how it would be costed and what the stats would be are clearly a blank slate.
old stone of fal passive was better where it had a 20-30 second internal CD, but the first time you get hit for a lot of damage by a single magical ability, then it caps the damage, and it had similar stats IIRC. it was good against mages with 1-2 burst abilities so you don't die just from a big mage ult.
I’ve always been a fan of Mail but I don’t really use it as much as I did in Season 3.
I remember the days where Soul Eater gave you attack speed, that was my jam.
I really only see Spectral Armor being useful against a Crit Built Mercury, the stats are built to stop all those CC moves such as the whirlwind and the ultimate. However, even if it does slow down a Crit-Heavy Mercury it won't actually stop him from killing everyone else. So even though the item is somewhat specifically designed this type of god build, it won't be enough.
As a support main, i find mail of renewal to be useful. Its good on Xing tian and supports with not much survivability like Athena. I use it on Xing Tian and it makes me damn near unkillable, and the cooldown is amazing. Helps for taking towers, teamfights or objectives. But thats my opinion
Edit: that and i play with friends, so we're usually very coordinated and we rarely lose if we know what we're doing
I love your content man, some of the best, least biased hot takes
First off.
Duke... Thanks for not clicking and swallowing at the same time 🤣🤣🤣
Second.
I agree. I wasn't sure what you were going to pick for these Top 5 worse items but I completely agree.
1. Stone of Fal. The damage reduction isn't there. You're far better off getting Oni Hunters Garb even in 1on1s. Along with a high power item. They should just change it to flat damage reduction and not make it only magical damage. It should also calculate before mitigations and protections.
2. Mail of Renewal. Omfg. I mainly use it as a stat booster if I'm building more protections and need Hp with CDR. But now that Blackthorn Hammer exists and is really good it's hard to justify picking it up. As warriors were the only people I used it on.
Give it a double passive like Stone of Gaia has. Increases your healing output and healing received by 1.5% after each kill or assist as you regenerate 15% of your Max Hp. Then it evolves. Evolved Mail of Renewal provides 600Hp. 10% CDR. 20Hp5/Mp5. And has the double passive. Increases healing output or healing received by 15% as you regenerate 15% of your Max Hp over the course of 5 seconds.
3. Spectral armor.
Just rework it.
Auto attacks build up spectral energy and after taking x amount of damage from autos, release a spectral blast fearing enemies away for 1 second and deal 10% of damage absorbed. (This will be like pridwin but always be consistent with it's damage output since it's damage doesn't variate only based on threshold value.)
Honorable mentions.
Masks. I liked them before when they were in their beta. Ragndas mask making players slower but highly increased their damage, it made being a slow moving hunter feel like a turret or canon. I just hate how they're restricted to class.
Poison star.
That 5% attackspeed and Crit chance is noticable and it doesn't need to be as such. It costs the same as Wind Demon now and there is nothing that justifies it.
Wind Demon got a cost reduction the same reason why Blackthorn hammer did a while back. So that it would be picked up more but in reality it's a good item and is balanced. Poison Star had a lower cost and lower stats but had a very good unique passive. I like it on Artemis because I can pair it with death bringer and Runeforge hammer and have very high crits. Even without Runeforge I just enjoyed it as I was already at max attackspeed with her 2 active I didnt need more. Just more crit chance. This item needs to have a quality of life buff. Just make the items even in stats and cost but keep it at it's lower power.
i gotta disagree with mail of renual. i mainly play tank and will usualy get mail of renewal unless im against a god with high anti heal in their kit. its very useful and most people undervalue it to the point where they dont go anti heal against it.
When I see someone with this I play Ethereal, I'm like yes finally I can have so much hp with my mage🤙
@@garratheer8430 true but, in my experience it doesn't matter that much.
@@ether-pq4tc you have too qin sai and book purple ( dont remenber his name) who destroy someone with to much hp
@@garratheer8430 all true however, when I compare my past games benefits Vs cons, mail of renewal comes out on top.
Frédéryk Douville You mean soul reaver? Yeah, there’s more items that counter a lot of HP now
Hey Duke what do you think about changing anti heal to only affect ability healing and lifesteal, leaving relics item passives and pots unaffected? I was thinking about it the other day and I feel like all those items would be much easier to balance since then you wouldn't have to worry about inflating their stats or heal value to make it worth it since anti heal makes them worthless otherwise.
spectral is highkey good against mercury w/ jing comp for example. Nimean won't do much because they'll just crit you for 1800 damage within 5 autos and you die before they do.
Isn’t poison star good on Artemis as effective and simple way to constantly proc her passive on crit builds
Yes
Ninja tabi, devourer's gauntlet, fail-not, executioner, deathbringer, poisoned star. sell ninja tabi for speed elixir and asi or alternative (e.g. Qin's or Titan's).
Do people even build talisman of energy? I haven't seen it not once in my matches.
Mr Toast Yeah I ran into a few times it pretty helpful in my opinion
People rarely build it, imo it's just underrated. It has been built in the SPL a few times as well. At the same time it is very situational, so you won't see it that often.
Imo if they moved the passive onto a item from a new item tree that prioritizes utility stats like MP5, CDR, or move speed it'd be picked up more than it's current form. I find very few situations where I would prefer talisman of energy over shogun's kusari, much less ANY other magic defense item.
Mr Toast I use it on Nike
I build Talisman on my troll HP/movement speed builds on warriors like Herc, Ama, or Guan Yu
12:00 wait, its 10% off that 20%?!? I thought it was 20% -> 10%, wow its way worse than I thought
Nope it’s like you thought, you took maximum 10% of that damage instead of >20%
@@burak5601 It says the damage you take is reduced *by* 10%, not reduced *to* 10%. Right?
I disagree with bracers. I use them with mages a lot because they reduce my cool down and help resist burst characters (if targeted by Loki, I can use beads when he ults and then braces to stay alive while murdering him. Or anyone that uses stunning and burst. Antiheal becomes problematic, but the cool down reduction is often strong enough to do major damage and drag the opponents down with me (assuming my teammates are u helpful which happens a lot).
i like to build Mail of Renewal in modes like Clash or Arena after or before i get a Bloodforge (I don't rush it). they both help me stay in the fight as an assassin after getting a kill i just wish the passive was 25% and faster like 3 seconds or the effect stacks instead of just refreshing.
Also Soul Eater King Arthur in non conquest modes you can normally get stacks fast and with glad shield the CDR, Mana, damage, heal and defense can be pretty nice, even against anti-heal it's still great some pretty good sustain with glad shield to keep you in the fight, and the most for damage items besides Void shield
to me stone of fal seems like an item thats good to counter some big number abilities that basically instakill you
it can definitely save a squishy from some (nearly) 1shot ults, but yeah, that person could also just build another defensive item that works for the other magical damage aswell.
since fal has okayish power at least i feel like it might still be useful if you happen to be in a situation that only magical burst abilities kill you or there's strong magical burst but no real other magical damage source (e.g. possibly he bo as only real magical dd? scylla? works for kkk 1 and ult but clearly useless against his whirlwind so meh) but in reality i guess those situations are pretty rare
i still feel like it was a decent pick on joust a couple of times for me since i it's more likely to only have a single magical god on the opponent team that happens to be a pure burster who clearly manages to deal >20% max hp per ability. sometimes the little fal protections and the passive can be enough protection against their magical dd in that situation without having to invest into defense too much since it still has a good amount of power for an item that's build for defense
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Going down the list:
1 - Stone of Fal I actually tested on Jungle map, found it to do more damage than Void Stone but that was the problem to me, Void Stone is just too good in other ways it always pushes Fal out for consideration.
2 - Spectral Armor I do not think it competes with Nemean, more that good Crit builds rely on only 1 Crit item this season compared to Season 5. Bad Crit Builds that are so common are just bad.
3 - Bracer I actually believe is less popular even in Duel, I watched some Duel players on TH-cam and initially they used it but replaced it with Med Cloak even though they were doing a 1v1 mode. That is Bracer's big issue, same thing as Med Cloak, Med gives you instant regen of Health and Man, Bracer is more like a Regen Over Time, the Instant Med is preferred. I did use Bracer sometimes in Assault if I found myself not needing other Relics second item.
4 - Mail of Renewal would be nice except the definition of what counts as an Objective for the Passive is not defined, I even tried asking through Forums and social media, no answer so I am left thinking no one knows. Only time I built it is if I wanted a HP5 item for Cu Chulainn, the other HP5 items usually have MP5 and that seems a waste to me since he does not use Mana.
5 - Silverbranch Bow I am convinced Titanforge has no idea what to do with it, I started Smite in Fall 2017 and have never seen the items as useful or built by other players in any mode.
Soul Eater - Now I find this useful at least in non-Conquest modes on some Assassins and Hunters especially since you cannot really build stacking items like Devourer's Gauntlet and stack them reliably except for Transcendence. I even if I got the right team comp in Assault would build it on certain Warriors.
>more that good Crit builds rely on only 1 Crit item
What? At minimum you see standard crit (Hunter) builds with Fail-Not and Deathbringer.
@@kriegaone3658 Actually this Season a number of players including myself have gotten away with just 1. Fail-Not by itself can work, some gods can do with just 1 of the other Crit items and Rage can be done Solo on any Hunter so long as you get enough damage through the rest of the build, that is partly what Rage is for.
@@StorkNest Oh well I guess if you're going lone Fail-Not you're likely playing an ability based hunter.
But im not too sure about a lone rage except someone like Jing Wei maybe. If you play e.g. Chernobog then you at least need Deathbringer with Rage.
Honestly, I’ve rarely ever saw any use of emperors armor outside a few comp games
*the guy who could use Stone of Fal correctly was Albert Einstein*
I built it once against a friend in duel who was scylla
First of all, if you see someone with bracer YOU SHOULDNT BE BUILDING ANTI HEAL JUST FOR THAT. Second of all, bracer is FANTASTIC. It has saved my life and turned the tables in so many fights. It also pretty much gives you your whole kit back when it is upgraded too. You are wrong duke
@@gogeta667 Even if there is anti heal, bracer will still help you a lot. You also have to know when to use bracer. I build bracer 90% of the time. Unless I need beads, phantom, or aegis, I will build bracer. Yes the healing will be weaker if there is anti heal, but it still helps, ESPECIALLY when it is upgraded and you instantly get that time off of your cool downs. No matter what, you can't say that it is among the worst items in the game. You wanna talk about bad relics? Sunder, and meditation are garbage rn. Shell beats med any day.
@@Vizrai you mention meditation and sunder before cursed lol
Honestly old spectral armor passive was really good. I miss it . And old stone of Fal was decent as well
Wasn't a fan of old Stone of Fal but it was better than the new version at least. Old spectral armor may have been my favorite item in the game.
Wasn’t the passive of spectral the one where you could walk through player walls?
It's WAHOO2012 yeah it once was in season 3 but season 4 they changed the passive to a AoE fear of hit by physical damage
I use mail of renewal a lot combod with stone of gaia late game. Makes your front line insane.
I actually forgot that Stone of Fal was in this game until you said it.
Yeah ok. Wind Demon is better for the Hunter's own DPS but Poison Star is more secure for the entire team. Slows are generally a more team-oriented effect. In thinking about it that way, Poison Star and Frostbound should always remain relevant, even with Wind Demon and Haste existing.
I’m sorry but I see that thumbnail and that title and they just don’t make sense together
Spectral armour is definitely better than its predecessor
as a very niche pick, I've used stone of fal on aphrodite solo against anubis, its not a great item but the one niche it does fit is squishy magical solo vs a magical burst solo:)
Anubis isn’t a burst god... non of his abilities do instant damage. They’re all tick damage...
@@articcreature915 even if its tick damage his wrap ult does a lot of damage in a very short space of time bro
besidju. But that’s still not burst no matter how you look at it. Burst is instant damage, it happens immediately. Tick damage on Anubis does a lot of damage yes, it’s so fast ticking that your health bar disappears yes, but it’s still not burst.
@@articcreature915 ok sure, its not burst damage, my point still stands though even if "burst" is not technically the right word
I hope we get a universal armor that gives a decent amount of MS and maybe like a jotunn but with Ms
Spectral needs to be an anti-crit AURA to even be relevant.
Man they have reworked malice crusher and ichical countless times and they have been adding new items every year but I dont think mail has been touched since season 3. I'm convinced they even forgot it exist
the background video they were doing good then apollo got too greedy there was a point where jormungandr was tanking pheonix so apollo in his ult could come and kill someone but he ended up landing infront of jormungandr and on top a kuku tornado then apollo kept rushing in without his tank and dying people need to learn patience
I some of these items are bad because anti heal is op not strictly because of the item being poor and if you are going to throw items in a bin for anti heal and being situational then you missed aphew.
Typhons fang, Pythags are *Highly* situational items for lifesteal Vs. Bancrofts, Polynomicon.
Soul eater vs Asi, Bloodforged
(Soul eater is really only picked up by arthur and pele)
Shield of regrowth is a chaac/herc item almost exclusively.
Poison star, Wind demon are almost never used compared to Rage, Deathbringer, Failnot, Malice wich are all already situationsal as well because of how costly they are and thorns. (excluding Failnot)
Gem of isolation, warlock sash, Staff of mryddin are all lacking.
*Gem needs a buff and a change* to how its effect procs to work for 3seconds but *the effect should only apply once per ability not re-apply with every damage tick*
Sash and to a lesser degree book of thoth and Thebes suffer from being strong items that take far too long to stack and become effective.
Staff of mryddin is ultimately a guardian item used to double stun by a scarce phew players, I feel the item needs a new Identity entirely as its passive creates a akward play style that isnt as impacting as the other class specific items. Maybe instead of double cast it would give 10seconds off your ultimate cdr on kill with ult.
Lotus crown, Rod of asclepius are both situational and mostly being used by aphro and slvanus.
I’ve built spectral armor a couple times as a super specific counter-item because the enemy anhur which kept three shotting me
Stone of fal is the best item in the game if ur going a mage as a solo laner. GM here.
>anti-heal is very easy to come by
> anubis highest win-rate
>pick one :/
One... has nothing to do with the other....
@@TheRonaldNess come back to this comment section when your IQ finally touches a 3 digit number
@@pvksupersonic 1/10 comeback. Again. One has nothing to do with the other. Letting him heal or buying antiheal clearly doesn't matter if he has the highest win rate. You'll take a class call Critical Thinking when you're older. This class teaches you how to put 2 thing together and see if it makes sense. But for now, get ready for school.
This is already a fun comment chain
You never specified what he has the highest win rate in, could you be more specific?
I'll have to disagree with the spectral armor.
If you play into hunters that build crit, it can be better than nemean.
Spectral is better for survivability than nemean in situations where you just need to survive crits.
It is very situational, but it's niche isn't bad.
I do agree for the rest of the list though.
Have you tried soul eater on king arthur? When you want a lil damage and sustain its worth it
But glad shield is just better then
Why not both xd
@@jackkemp176 get both
Then anti heal will make your build useless
Not in casuals
What really needs to happen is crit items need to be taken away from Warriors they're are already Tanky and I've noticed a lot of them have been going crit lately also assassin shouldn't have crit except for the ones who already have built into their kit I mean it's only fair if they're going to take movement speed off the Rings for the ADC Hunters instead making the -rings specifically for the adcs kinda like how hunters can't use the swords only assassin's
Mostly that entire health item tree is pretty niche.
MOST
Gauntlet of thebes definitely not niche
Just a thought on a possible change:
What if Mail of Renewal's passive also affected allies within like, idk, 25 units of you? The item is built for teamfighting situations, so why not lean into it? It wouldn't increase your own tanky annoyance, and it's still largely countered by AOE anti-heals, and still has ok stats at best comparatively, but...
Any other suggestions?
Yes, I have a suggestion: redraft it. Change the item entirely, come up with something completely different, maybe change its name, maybe even change its tree, make it something akin to chronos but for physical (since it’s called mail of RENEWAL)
I must say that I disagree with your opinion of Stone of Gaia.
It is a very useful item, especially in Solo lane. It counters Knockups to some extent, and the long term sustain is very helpful. Plus, by building it, Solo laners don't have to worry much about MP5, so they can build items they wouldn't normally choose due to their MP5 dependency.
What about sundering spear? It really doesn't do much and its hard to hit. Or talisman of energy, which isn't bad but there are way better options for the same price early on. And i just never see it used
I find it very interesting, I watch your videos while doing something else, and I think that's the case for almost everyone else.
Regardless, I randomly looked at my 2nd screen and saw the "subscribe" button flash in the video.
I'm not sure if that's a good way to gain subscribers, since this types of videos don't encourage anyone to "watch" the video, but listen to it.
I don't think it's necessarily meant to be effective, it's just funny
Good point, i always listen and not watch
Silverbranch on Artemis, Apollo, and Arachne is nice
No, it takes place of items that would be much better on them. That’s the problem with it; it isn’t a good enough of an alternative to be put into any build no matter what god it is.
@@sullyschwartz2365 I only use it on Apollo from those gods for a good reason, to siege towers/backdoor and his passive works well with it and comes very often.
Id argue that the current item poor is lacking in versatility. Part of that being a good sum of items are just no good, be that statistically or passive wise.
Crit is pretty bad unless you're playing maybe Jing Wei to bulster the passive crit on her 2? maybe?
All items you listed i agree with, especially renewal and Gaia. i like the idea of both items but they just aren't good enough right now.
You could delete spectral armor and nobody would even notice.
I think stoneof fal should just be any magical ability that does over 20%of your health get reduced to exactly 20% then have a a 60 second cooldown
It needs something. Even a spirit robe like mitigation for x seconds or movement speed after a big hit is registered would make it way more interesting.
I've built Fal when I run "bruiser" Isis in arena/joust along with stone of binding, ethreal and dynasty plate/ celestial legion helm. Works well because she has so much utility.
Craze how much this has changed in a year
what percentage reductuon would stone have to do to make it useful?
Spectral armor with Geb passive
Nemean lion with kuzenbo
Your joking right?
@@codebreaker6342 why would he be joking.. Are you an idiot? If the team runs a crit god on ranked joust. You respond with spectral geb.
I use bracers as second item for ratatoskr and camazotz for that extra stall.
kind of surprised i didnt see a talisman of energy here. ive not seen it used in a viable way. seems very gimmicky, to me, at least. i've seen it a total of 4 times since its released, and to no avail.
I build silverbranch bow, and mail of renewal a lot.
Since i play Ganesha, and Apollo
I still build golden blade on Mercury lol
stone of fal passive should be reworked making it much more effective but giving it a short cooldown making it a viable pickup against gods like scylla or zeus
Vulcan and KKK are what always make me think of getting Fal as a situational item but then I read its 10% damage reduction in passive and forget about it for few months again.
What are you’re fav season 6 skins? Mine is Mouse Force. Love some Ganesha
Death Lotus Da Ji
Bracer but no sundering spear? Sundering Spear is literally useless lol.
Is that the relic that does like 50p damage? I literally have never seen it used
@@Troll_vs. It does 15% of their current HP as true damage, and upgraded it also makes them take 20% more damage for 5s. The only thing it might be good for is taking out a super tank... But it's a relic slot.
Yeah, I wish the glowing emerald tree had a bit of defence instead of so much health. Flat health and healing are way too easy to counter.
Solid video
the passive is bad in assault too ... assault has anti heal meta ... so the true heal is redicoulus bad its more effective too not loose the hp at first
Lootboxes/chests has the place #0
Cry more about how the free game you play has to make money lmao
Wow what a whiner. You get so much free gems just from the weekly daily logins. Not to mention the game is free-to-play with no pay-to-win mechanics.
Orgspasm im crying about loot boxes? I wouldnt care if they made direct transactions for the entire shop
@@alexjv1370 Those have proven to be way less profitable. If Smite had never moved on from direct purchases there would never have even been a season 5. Don't like em? Don't buy em. Not that hard.
Silverfrench bow good with izanami, Medusa or Artemis
And Arachne
No, Medusa is built ability based.
Ichaival is just a better item.
Solomon Schwartz it has to do with the stim on her kit. You can build Medusa aa if you want to.
I've only used it on Apollo because of his passive proccing it with ease unlike using a skill with cooldown.
Halve the effect of anti heal on regen and maybe rework mail of renewal (Idk how though)
I get stone of fal on jorm with stone of binding ,void stone and dynasty plate and run at people, although i still agree the item is garbage as it is something you want when building hybrid, but ad you are building hybrid you basically cant proc the passive
I love Spectral Armor. When I pubstomp Clash with Crit Jing Wei, people tend to build Spectral instead of Nemean against me. And I approve 👍🏻
You build stone of fal as a mid laner to counter like, poseidon or he bo. Thats pretty much its only use.
My thoughts of the top 5 worst Items are:
1. Mail of Renewal. Never any reason to build it instead of Stone of Gaia or Gauntlet of Thebes.
2. Sundering Spear. Does practically nothing.
3. Cursed Ankh. Too long of a Cooldown for what it does, and doesn't do enough.
4. Stone of Fal. Stats aren't terrible, but the Passive is stupid.
5. Spectral Armor. No reason to build it instead of Nemean's.
I agree with the list although I’d put shield of regrowth up there with mail of renewal for the same problems not protections and the passive is extremely situational only viable on a select few gods
But it’s so good on select gods. Mail of renewal is subpar nearly all the time
What about soul eater on camazotz since two of his abilities have lifesteal?
Soul eater on Ravana is nice
@@dereksparks112 I just put it on most assassins since I want sustain. Unless its an AA assassin otherwise I just use bloodforge.
@@DiveBombRebel yeah I agree with you on that. It can be so useful but so many people don't use
@@dereksparks112 Why? Are most people just so good with assassins that they when to go in and get out without taking dmg?
Transcendence is better since it improves his heals and gives more damage.
I know he isn't looking at arena but honestly every hunter uses crit despite it being shit
thumbnail has all my favorite items ;-;
Im pretty sure anti heal doesnt prevent relic healing and if it did ive never seen somebody build it just for that. They build it if a god themself has healing (anubis, herc, xing etc)
sorry to say, but you are wrong
@@flokli7708 about it affecting relics?
yes, anti heal reduces all sorts of healing (relics, lifesteal, potions, abilities)
@@flokli7708 cool I thought it only worked on ability and item healing
wouldn't stone of fal be good for squishies that are looking for power and not be killed by something like scylla's crush or zeus's abilities? it's not even a calculation with gods like these, you'll know you'll get combo'd or oneshotted pretty hard.
So your saying soul eater doesn’t work on cu chualain achilles or any ability based god.?
What about talisman of energy? I never see that one
I see it on support Terras, since it helps both peeps in the duo lane, but only a good option against magical ADCs
I build Fal on Anubis against Vulcans and Scylla.
Fal won't work on anubis since he does rapid small tic damage
Lone Leo yeah I know. Re-read my comment
Oof...
Mail of renewal is good for Ganesha plus the stacking Cloak
The bracer of undoing is best for tanks that what I think I all ways use it
Spectral armor i use it when some 1 has a lot of crit