The crown on the picture 6:31 IS actually the Hungarian Holy Crown (Sacra Corona), the owner of the country. Whoever is crowned with THAT sacred relic is "de facto" the Hungarian king, ruling IN THE NAME of the Holy Crown. Also, the crown was sacrally given to the Holy Mother, Maria, who is the ethernal queen of the Hungarian Kingdom (Sacra Regina).
As a native Hungarian history lover I think that the mainstream history education is a little bit off still to this day with that topic, but this interpretation is way off. Habsburg historians were the ones who distorted 8-9th century Hungarians pov. In reality ancestors of Hungarians found their new homeland because they were hired to fight in the Frankish civil wars as mercenaries while living in modern day South Ukraine. Hungarian army were THE Real Madrid of armies in that time period. But the part modern historians get wrong is that there were no central power structure. Because of their far superior horses and tactics even a smaller Hungarian army could have made a huge difference. So it was cca. 10 tribes who were "independent" enough to field a smaller army. Territorial disputes were settled in the battle of Pozsony. After that there were no armies in Germany brave enough to challenge Hungarian soil for 150 years. On the other hand there were no intention of conquest on the Hungarian part either, because after settling there was no central power as we know central power in other European feudal communities of that time. There was a chief among chiefs, but the 10 stronger tribes remained in control of their business. At Lech Field 2 armies out of the 10 were present. There is a completely false narrative of Hungarians stopping marauding german lands because of the disaster at Lech field... BS! It was marauding indeed on the Hungarian part, but a professional one at that ordered and paid for by East Frankish lords. The sole reason of Otto being Emperor over Berengar is the fighting skill of Hungarian mercenary bands. Lech field was arranged like that. The Hungarian armies were called there to help only to find itself in a malicious trap. Hungarians stopped participating in german internal affairs because the "customers" became highly unreliable, IMO that is much closer to what happened IRL.
@@SSLaziale In my opinion, there is no reason to make the whole thing into an argument between "kuruc" (anti-Habsburg) and "labanc" (pro-Habsburg) historians. I would also argue that the Battle of Lechfeld was significant. The Hungarian military nobility suffered losses and the Hungarian raids were increasingly called into question. In this case, it probably had also nothing to do with a "client". The supporters of Otto and Liudolf accused each other of calling on the Hungarians for help, but there is no evidence that this was actually the case. The Hungarian invasion could just as well (or in my opinion even more likely) have been an independent action to exploit the weakness of the East Frankish Empire. (Abyss)
Ive always thought about that if his black army never disbanded and his heirs could continue to grow the strength of the army also not losing all the lands in Austria and Bohemia these could have made such a difference I honestly the Ottomans would have probably been crushed and lets also not forget about his tactics and strategys that his heirs could further develop
@@ArthurMorgan-nf7uv He should have ally with Austria against the Ottomans instead of attacking Vienna and angering most of the HRE. As a Hungarian i never understood why people today like him. He pretty much destroyed independent Hungary down the road with this foolish move. When the Ottomans attacked the country yet again 36 years after the death of Matthias Austria and the HRE was like good luck bro you are on your own. And when Austria had managed to expel the Ottomans from Hungary they gladly took over with direct rule.
short answer: nothing... long answer: Hungary was embroiled in a 1 and a half century long feudal civil war by that point between the Pro-habsburg and pro-Jagello/Polish nobles respectively, and the Battle of Mohacs was nothing more than the moment when Hungary managed to finally tear itself apart completely... Which became rather aparant if you look at what happened just after the battle (half of the nobility crowned the Habsburg, while the other half immediatly crowned a prominent hungarian noble and started to fight against eachother while the Ottomans just marched into the heart of the country basically unopposed). Basically, you need to solve the civil war before expecting anything to change significantly, NOT the battle itself (and if you manage to fix the problem the battle is also likely be won already). And no, i dont think the Hunyadi's are the solution, Mathias's reign in particular only fueled the fire of feudal civil war only, since he ruled the country as a proto-absolute monarch (something which the hungarian nobility was chronically allergic to back then AND during the entir Habsburg reign), a successful establishment of the Hunyadi dynasty would have only ensure a EVEN BIGGER disaster down the line.
Suleiman would have come next year with another army. Like one of the commenter said you need to fix hungary internal problem. Ottoman at the time was the apax. They could send multiple armies even if hungary repels them
Idea: what if the hundred years war ended in a stalemate? England doesn't take over france, but france never pushes england off the continent completely.
Both of them remain stuck as enenies. The English and Habsburgs become allies earlier and there's even a posibility of the English becoming a Habsburg monarchy and fully encircling France.
@@weirdguylol Probably. The House of Anjou, which ruled Hungary for a time, was related to the House of Valois, both being cadet branches of the Capetian Dynasty. The French House of Valois, if they were to be surrounded on all sides, would definitely wish to cement an alliance with the House of Anjou. This would also mean that the Ottomans, Hungarians and French would probably form an earlier coalition (IOTL France formed an alliance with the Ottomans in the mid 1500s and Hungary was under Ottoman control) and that the Ottomans wouldn't expand into Central Europe since it would be trading there instead and would focus instead in the south and east. Without such expansion Varna doesn't happen, which means the King of Poland doesn't pass which also means that Poland remains stable as well.
God all of that is such a cool concept of the earl 1500s being the Tudor Habsburg alliance against the Valois and Anjou along with ottomans, it is such a cool concept but probably would have resulted in huge amount of bloodshed
@@bigz4302 Took a few more centuries for the christian kingdoms to force that on the norseman. There would be time enough to adapt. Also the mongols still come.
@kanadashyuugo873 the Norse kingdoms eventually centralized, but they didn't face the same pressures that the Hungarians would in this scenario, but that's just a simple geography thing
Liudolf and Conrad indeed invited the Hungarians, it was not just a random raid but a campaign with the goal of supporting the rebels. It just so happened that the rebels changed their mind by the time the main army arrived, and as a result said rebels betrayed their allies and marched on them with their former enemies at their side. :)
I think actually, nothing. Before that, they had already won about 30 similar battles throughout Western Europe. At most, the Hungarians' approach the Papacy and the Germans, Italians would have begun a couple of decades later.
There may be two paths when it comes to the mongol invasions to the Holy hungarian Empire. They are either too busy in Europe or conflicted to fight their brothers from the stepp or wage a holy war(s) against the far closer mongol empire who may be right on the border in this timeline. But like he said. This timeline is so messed up that it's impossible to obey realism or actual possibilities in a timeline as altered as this one. Back then, the death of a monarch could define the fate of entire empires much like the mongols or burgundian kingdom.
The Hungarians conquered a kind of power vacuum in the Carpathian Basin. If no other power had emerged there, the west would probably be East Frankish/German influenced and the east Bulgarian. Maybe Moravia would survive longer.
@@Wendeta-hq2cpi actually have seen the west and east francia flags a while ago online they are just made up ones to fill the vacant spot of there being no official flag and I have yet to find an actual source for it being used although the flower looking thing is the charlemagne seal iirc
@@epiccrusadr8583 Fleur de lis. That's the flower. Also yeah. I have seen the Black and Yellow flag shown in the video for east Francia, but the black and red one I haven't. Closest thing I saw was a red field with multiple Fleur de lis to represent West Francia. No black.
They didn't have a choice. The Austro-Hungarian compromise was de-facto independence and the Hungarians knew that if they tried to pull another 1848 they might fail.
@@TheWatcher-z2y They could have tried to double down, yeah. They probably would have enlisted the help of Serbs, Slovaks and Romanians to do it and in doing so a Slovak Duchy or Grand Principality would have formed, while the Grand Principality of Transilvania would have grown to the Tisza. The Serbian Voievodship would have also become fully independent of Hungary.
By the way where do we submit stories. I had a scenario where a Kaifeng Jewish merchant married a Korean princess, they temporarily fled to Kaifeng where she converted and went back to Korea, and they brought a rabbi and beit din to Korea, and got formally married in a newly built synagogue.
@@epiccrusadr8583 in the scenario Woa brings his mom and grandma, but his grandma accidentally starts a big palace fire, and Mi ends up being the successor, and there was a growth in Korean Jews especially in the north. In the scenario 700,000 went to Israel, resettled in the West Bank, and Israel has a Korean female prime minister in the scenario. Where do I submit alternate histories.
@@mappingshaman5280 I mean if you go from west to east it would be closer. Persia could establish a base in Ceylon, reach Indonesia, then move further to reach Hawaii and then the Americas.
English speakers using Magyar as if it was something different from Hungarian is misleading. That is how we call ourselves. However you cannot pronounce gy, so just stick to the name you gave us, Hungarian.
Yes, you're right. It's actually my fault. I don't know why, but in German historical literature the term "Magyaren" is often used for the pagan Hungarians and that's how the term found its way into the video. (Abyss)
Christianity was only taken up as the country's religion after the Hungarian state was founded by the first king of Hungary St Stephen. Under his reign the previous folk religion was pretty much completely wiped out.
The teritories in light blue are the duchy of Severin , Voivodship of Kiev and walachia an empire crated by roumanian voivod Vladimir Yelow armour(980-1014) conquered Kievan Rus from the vikings and personaly killed the last viking ruler using a masive cavalery charge in 988 , from then onwards knows as Vladimir the great and saint converts ukraine to christianity .
Árpád was not yet a king, and Géza wasn't Grand Duke. They were both grand chiefs, of a different time. The The first king was Saint Stephen, who was crowned at 20th of August AD 1000. Basically under his rule Hungary officially became a Christian European Kingdom, however feudalism was in it's early childhood state this time. For example even in the time of Kálmán (1100's) Hungarian knights still didn't adapted western heavy lancer tactics, and in the time of Béla the fourth (1240's) bow and arrow were still named as part of the equipment of Hungarian knights.
Great video, as always! But just a small correction: Ukraine is referred to without the definite article "the". This is an old spelling standard which ceased to exist after the 1991 Independence of Ukraine. Other than that, I'm a huge fan! Love your work, and thank you for
@@chumnae5333 it doesn't really matter tbh, "Ukraine" translates literally from Russian and Ukrainian to mean "borderland." So the definite article here is just the difference between saying "borderland" or "THE borderland."
@ no it doesn't, it's a myth. The root "kraina" translates in all Slavic languages into "country", while "u" is a prefix, which can indicate location. So literally "inside a country". The myth you mentioned is debunked simply because "krai" in Russian doesn't necessarily mean borderland as well. "Krasnodar krai", "Perm krai", "krayevedenie" which means "knowledge of region".
@@chumnae5333 That's an ahistorical neulogism. Old Church Slavonic clearly uses the word Krai to mean "Edge, shore" which itself comes from proto-slavic krajь "edge" which itself comes from proto-indo-european krei "to cut". The use as "country" is a modern neulogism. Please be careful of spreading incorrect info.
@ and Ukraine is an invention of Lenin... nowadays English standard is "Ukraine", not "the Ukraine". It's like saying "the England" because it is "THE land of Angles"
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Special thanks to Abyss from the US of Z Discord for submitting this scenario!
A deserved first-place win. Nice job Abyss!
@DeanMonsieur I loved what you did with the scenario. Thanks a lot! (Abyss)
The crown on the picture 6:31 IS actually the Hungarian Holy Crown (Sacra Corona), the owner of the country. Whoever is crowned with THAT sacred relic is "de facto" the Hungarian king, ruling IN THE NAME of the Holy Crown. Also, the crown was sacrally given to the Holy Mother, Maria, who is the ethernal queen of the Hungarian Kingdom (Sacra Regina).
As a native Hungarian history lover I think that the mainstream history education is a little bit off still to this day with that topic, but this interpretation is way off.
Habsburg historians were the ones who distorted 8-9th century Hungarians pov.
In reality ancestors of Hungarians found their new homeland because they were hired to fight in the Frankish civil wars as mercenaries while living in modern day South Ukraine. Hungarian army were THE Real Madrid of armies in that time period. But the part modern historians get wrong is that there were no central power structure. Because of their far superior horses and tactics even a smaller Hungarian army could have made a huge difference. So it was cca. 10 tribes who were "independent" enough to field a smaller army.
Territorial disputes were settled in the battle of Pozsony. After that there were no armies in Germany brave enough to challenge Hungarian soil for 150 years. On the other hand there were no intention of conquest on the Hungarian part either, because after settling there was no central power as we know central power in other European feudal communities of that time. There was a chief among chiefs, but the 10 stronger tribes remained in control of their business. At Lech Field 2 armies out of the 10 were present.
There is a completely false narrative of Hungarians stopping marauding german lands because of the disaster at Lech field... BS! It was marauding indeed on the Hungarian part, but a professional one at that ordered and paid for by East Frankish lords. The sole reason of Otto being Emperor over Berengar is the fighting skill of Hungarian mercenary bands.
Lech field was arranged like that. The Hungarian armies were called there to help only to find itself in a malicious trap.
Hungarians stopped participating in german internal affairs because the "customers" became highly unreliable, IMO that is much closer to what happened IRL.
@@SSLaziale In my opinion, there is no reason to make the whole thing into an argument between "kuruc" (anti-Habsburg) and "labanc" (pro-Habsburg) historians.
I would also argue that the Battle of Lechfeld was significant. The Hungarian military nobility suffered losses and the Hungarian raids were increasingly called into question. In this case, it probably had also nothing to do with a "client". The supporters of Otto and Liudolf accused each other of calling on the Hungarians for help, but there is no evidence that this was actually the case. The Hungarian invasion could just as well (or in my opinion even more likely) have been an independent action to exploit the weakness of the East Frankish Empire. (Abyss)
i actually learn more history from alt history than actual history videos
What if Matthias Corvinus managed to establish a proper dynasty and the Hunyadis remained on the Hungarian throne after his death?
Matthias Corvinus crushes the ottomans with his massive Transylvania sized balls and becomes emperor of Human Kind
@@weirdguylol true origin of the God-Emperor
Ive always thought about that if his black army never disbanded and his heirs could continue to grow the strength of the army also not losing all the lands in Austria and Bohemia these could have made such a difference I honestly the Ottomans would have probably been crushed and lets also not forget about his tactics and strategys that his heirs could further develop
@@ArthurMorgan-nf7uv He should have ally with Austria against the Ottomans instead of attacking Vienna and angering most of the HRE. As a Hungarian i never understood why people today like him. He pretty much destroyed independent Hungary down the road with this foolish move. When the Ottomans attacked the country yet again 36 years after the death of Matthias Austria and the HRE was like good luck bro you are on your own. And when Austria had managed to expel the Ottomans from Hungary they gladly took over with direct rule.
What if Hungary repelled the mongol invasion?
They did…
Just the second
@@gyularacz7237 they went home after the first one too, although they inflicted huge destruction.
@@Baso-sama thats the point
They did bro.
This was a fantastic video and as a Hungarian I really enjoyed digging into this alternative history! 🇭🇺
Csak így tovább barátom!
Suggestion: What if Hungary won the battle of mohacs?
short answer: nothing...
long answer: Hungary was embroiled in a 1 and a half century long feudal civil war by that point between the Pro-habsburg and pro-Jagello/Polish nobles respectively, and the Battle of Mohacs was nothing more than the moment when Hungary managed to finally tear itself apart completely... Which became rather aparant if you look at what happened just after the battle (half of the nobility crowned the Habsburg, while the other half immediatly crowned a prominent hungarian noble and started to fight against eachother while the Ottomans just marched into the heart of the country basically unopposed).
Basically, you need to solve the civil war before expecting anything to change significantly, NOT the battle itself (and if you manage to fix the problem the battle is also likely be won already). And no, i dont think the Hunyadi's are the solution, Mathias's reign in particular only fueled the fire of feudal civil war only, since he ruled the country as a proto-absolute monarch (something which the hungarian nobility was chronically allergic to back then AND during the entir Habsburg reign), a successful establishment of the Hunyadi dynasty would have only ensure a EVEN BIGGER disaster down the line.
Suleiman would have come next year with another army. Like one of the commenter said you need to fix hungary internal problem. Ottoman at the time was the apax. They could send multiple armies even if hungary repels them
Idea: what if the hundred years war ended in a stalemate? England doesn't take over france, but france never pushes england off the continent completely.
Both of them remain stuck as enenies. The English and Habsburgs become allies earlier and there's even a posibility of the English becoming a Habsburg monarchy and fully encircling France.
I want to see this
@@Wendeta-hq2cp Does that mean there would be a possible French-Hungarian alliance in that AH?
@@weirdguylol
Probably. The House of Anjou, which ruled Hungary for a time, was related to the House of Valois, both being cadet branches of the Capetian Dynasty.
The French House of Valois, if they were to be surrounded on all sides, would definitely wish to cement an alliance with the House of Anjou.
This would also mean that the Ottomans, Hungarians and French would probably form an earlier coalition (IOTL France formed an alliance with the Ottomans in the mid 1500s and Hungary was under Ottoman control) and that the Ottomans wouldn't expand into Central Europe since it would be trading there instead and would focus instead in the south and east.
Without such expansion Varna doesn't happen, which means the King of Poland doesn't pass which also means that Poland remains stable as well.
God all of that is such a cool concept of the earl 1500s being the Tudor Habsburg alliance against the Valois and Anjou along with ottomans, it is such a cool concept but probably would have resulted in huge amount of bloodshed
It'd also be fair to assume that constant pressure from the Christian kingdoms would force the Hungarians to centralize or die basically
@@bigz4302 Took a few more centuries for the christian kingdoms to force that on the norseman. There would be time enough to adapt. Also the mongols still come.
@kanadashyuugo873 the Norse kingdoms eventually centralized, but they didn't face the same pressures that the Hungarians would in this scenario, but that's just a simple geography thing
@@bigz4302 Norse kingdoms were much bigger than the current sweden/norway/denmark countries
Liudolf and Conrad indeed invited the Hungarians, it was not just a random raid but a campaign with the goal of supporting the rebels. It just so happened that the rebels changed their mind by the time the main army arrived, and as a result said rebels betrayed their allies and marched on them with their former enemies at their side. :)
The claim that Liudolf called the Hungarians for help is already a contemporary accusation, but has not been proven to this day.
It’s going DOWN! I’m yelling TIMBER!
You just reminded my of my childhood good sir! I love that song!
@@MonsieurDean You had no right to remind me of my best memories as a child
Amazing content!
Appreciate it!
This is the shit I live for
LOVE YOUR CONTENT! Keep up the good work ❤❤❤❤
what if everything went PERFECTLY for lithuania?
Amazing work as always ❤❤❤❤
I think actually, nothing. Before that, they had already won about 30 similar battles throughout Western Europe.
At most, the Hungarians' approach the Papacy and the Germans, Italians would have begun a couple of decades later.
There may be two paths when it comes to the mongol invasions to the Holy hungarian Empire. They are either too busy in Europe or conflicted to fight their brothers from the stepp or wage a holy war(s) against the far closer mongol empire who may be right on the border in this timeline. But like he said. This timeline is so messed up that it's impossible to obey realism or actual possibilities in a timeline as altered as this one. Back then, the death of a monarch could define the fate of entire empires much like the mongols or burgundian kingdom.
Impressive, very cool, now what if the Hungarians never established themselves in the pannonian basin?
The Hungarians conquered a kind of power vacuum in the Carpathian Basin. If no other power had emerged there, the west would probably be East Frankish/German influenced and the east Bulgarian. Maybe Moravia would survive longer.
wow this is a scenario i have never seen covered but i am glad you did something unique and interesting. Please do more medieval althists
What if Hungry became Orthodox?
Just a suggestion, what if The Magyars never migrated to mainland Hungary
Suggestion: What if Catherine the Greats’s Greek plan succeeded?
good job mr z
🔥🔥🔥🔥Hungary raaaaaaghhh🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
It would be a pretty great world.
Literally a victory has defeated them scenario.
How tf do you just pull these flags out of the abyss to use them in the thumbnails? Where do you get them?
I make em
@@DeanMonsieur
Oh okay! I was wondering why I couldn't find the flag for west Francia anywhere.
@@Wendeta-hq2cpi actually have seen the west and east francia flags a while ago online they are just made up ones to fill the vacant spot of there being no official flag and I have yet to find an actual source for it being used although the flower looking thing is the charlemagne seal iirc
@@epiccrusadr8583
Fleur de lis. That's the flower.
Also yeah. I have seen the Black and Yellow flag shown in the video for east Francia, but the black and red one I haven't.
Closest thing I saw was a red field with multiple Fleur de lis to represent West Francia. No black.
Hungary lore urahhhhh
I don't know but map of this Empire look like austro Hungarian Empire
What if Hungary declared independance instead of joining Austria Hungary?
They didn't have a choice. The Austro-Hungarian compromise was de-facto independence and the Hungarians knew that if they tried to pull another 1848 they might fail.
@@Wendeta-hq2cp hmm
what of instead of Austria compromising with Hungary, Austria tried to wipe out Hungary entirely
@@TheWatcher-z2y
They could have tried to double down, yeah.
They probably would have enlisted the help of Serbs, Slovaks and Romanians to do it and in doing so a Slovak Duchy or Grand Principality would have formed, while the Grand Principality of Transilvania would have grown to the Tisza. The Serbian Voievodship would have also become fully independent of Hungary.
@@Wendeta-hq2cp sounds cool
@@TheWatcher-z2y
Thanks!
Now i know what i'm gonna do with my timemachine.
By the way where do we submit stories. I had a scenario where a Kaifeng Jewish merchant married a Korean princess, they temporarily fled to Kaifeng where she converted and went back to Korea, and they brought a rabbi and beit din to Korea, and got formally married in a newly built synagogue.
Influence does have a way of spreading doesn't it
@@epiccrusadr8583 in the scenario Woa brings his mom and grandma, but his grandma accidentally starts a big palace fire, and Mi ends up being the successor, and there was a growth in Korean Jews especially in the north. In the scenario 700,000 went to Israel, resettled in the West Bank, and Israel has a Korean female prime minister in the scenario. Where do I submit alternate histories.
What if Persia Had Discover The Americas ?
They wouldnt be able to do anything about it because they're so far away colonisation would be impossible
@@mappingshaman5280 maybe australia
@@mappingshaman5280
I mean if you go from west to east it would be closer. Persia could establish a base in Ceylon, reach Indonesia, then move further to reach Hawaii and then the Americas.
There were a lot of people on the americas prior to European discovery
What if the whole world united under Imperial Federation
English speakers using Magyar as if it was something different from Hungarian is misleading.
That is how we call ourselves. However you cannot pronounce gy, so just stick to the name you gave us, Hungarian.
Yes, you're right. It's actually my fault. I don't know why, but in German historical literature the term "Magyaren" is often used for the pagan Hungarians and that's how the term found its way into the video. (Abyss)
Is over Habsburg bross
what if the battle was on of thise where no one clearly wins.
where the hugarias christians already at this point.
Christianity was only taken up as the country's religion after the Hungarian state was founded by the first king of Hungary St Stephen. Under his reign the previous folk religion was pretty much completely wiped out.
NOP
I say we remake the Hunnic Empire
What if Ashanti Industrialized?
hu a hungry hungray.. lol
That ain't hungary
That's fullgary !!!
When you’re very Hungary:
The teritories in light blue are the duchy of Severin , Voivodship of Kiev and walachia an empire crated by roumanian voivod Vladimir Yelow armour(980-1014) conquered Kievan Rus from the vikings and personaly killed the last viking ruler using a masive cavalery charge in 988 , from then onwards knows as Vladimir the great and saint converts ukraine to christianity .
Árpád was not yet a king, and Géza wasn't Grand Duke. They were both grand chiefs, of a different time. The The first king was Saint Stephen, who was crowned at 20th of August AD 1000. Basically under his rule Hungary officially became a Christian European Kingdom, however feudalism was in it's early childhood state this time. For example even in the time of Kálmán (1100's) Hungarian knights still didn't adapted western heavy lancer tactics, and in the time of Béla the fourth (1240's) bow and arrow were still named as part of the equipment of Hungarian knights.
Great video, as always! But just a small correction: Ukraine is referred to without the definite article "the". This is an old spelling standard which ceased to exist after the 1991 Independence of Ukraine. Other than that, I'm a huge fan! Love your work, and thank you for
@@chumnae5333 it doesn't really matter tbh, "Ukraine" translates literally from Russian and Ukrainian to mean "borderland." So the definite article here is just the difference between saying "borderland" or "THE borderland."
@ no it doesn't, it's a myth. The root "kraina" translates in all Slavic languages into "country", while "u" is a prefix, which can indicate location. So literally "inside a country". The myth you mentioned is debunked simply because "krai" in Russian doesn't necessarily mean borderland as well. "Krasnodar krai", "Perm krai", "krayevedenie" which means "knowledge of region".
@@chumnae5333
That's an ahistorical neulogism. Old Church Slavonic clearly uses the word Krai to mean "Edge, shore" which itself comes from proto-slavic krajь "edge" which itself comes from proto-indo-european krei "to cut".
The use as "country" is a modern neulogism. Please be careful of spreading incorrect info.
@@chumnae5333
It is *"the ukraine",* not "Ukraine", because the latter is the invention of East Galicians during the Habsburg reign.
@ and Ukraine is an invention of Lenin... nowadays English standard is "Ukraine", not "the Ukraine". It's like saying "the England" because it is "THE land of Angles"