Upgrade upgrade upgrade. When I started looking into the Ciruus transition I toured the cockpit of an SR22. Looks awesome. Plus a higher performance to boot. What’s not to love. I’m sure you’ll enjoy it. Also.... TDS, what’s your average cruise TAS?
TDS cruis TAS is 130Kts for flight planning. Realistic ground speed when leaned out and at 65% power for longer flights is around 120Kts though. Yeah the SR22T is looking pretty tempting, especially the high altitude capabilities. Thanks Richard 👍
Very helpful video for a guy upgrading from a 2005 SR20 with Avidyne to the new Garmin Perspective. You can read books about it for hours, but having someone push the buttons and explain what they do is infinitely more useful.
I actually just made the transition from the 20 to the 22 and continue to fly both. Both planes have the same avionics so it made it easier. The power and speed of the SR22 is awesome but the rental cost keeps me coming back to the SR20 for most flights. I'd love to watch you fly both and report on the differences. I've never flown the Perspective package so I'd love to see it in action. Another great video man, keep em comin!
Thanks Pat. Yeah it's the rental costs from the SR20 to SR22 which is making me hesitant. I love longer trips so it could add up quickly, even with the faster speeds, to move to the SR22 (especially a Turbo). I'm really keen to try an SR20 G6 with the Perspective Plus suite, but there's only one in Australia currently. To be honest, I think that for me would be the ultimate plane. Where do you fly from Pat, and who are you hiring your Cirrus aircraft through? Cheers mate 👍
I fly out of an airport (KLPR) just outside Cleveland, OH in the states. The flight school there has a 20 and 22 that I rent. Unless you're in a real hurry, the 22 doesn't really make sense to me from a cost perspective... but it sure is fun to fly!
If you want a cost effective way to fly an SR22 think about joining a syndicate. Our group of 5 is full for now. With a few people interested we may purchase a 2nd plane to be stored at Essendon with the first one. Could be an SR20 for local flights or another SR22 depending on new member requirements. Fractional ownership means fractional capital and fractional costs. Great way to fly a couple of hundred hours a year. If you fly more than 50 hours a year this is worth considering. I have been in 2 flying syndicates now over 18 years of flying and have been current the whole way through but for one stormy winter when the kids were babies and business was tough.
Hi. I fly both the SR20 and sr22. Except for the increased power, speed and payload, there isn’t that much different. The airframes are the same. So if you can fly the one, you can fly the other one. Different power settings in the circuit. You really do notice the power on take off and Vy climb. You have to step on that right rudder to keep it on the runway. For me the biggest difference is slowing it down. You have to plan your decent and circuit entry well in advance, because she won’t slow down and decent at the same time. But once you hit your 100 knots and 50 flap on downwind, it’s exactly the same as the sr20 to land. I like the sr22, but maybe the one at my FBO is newer with larger screens and leather seats.. but if you just gone cruise around Melbourne, the sr20 will give you just as much satisfaction. Whatever you decide, DO Upgrade to the perspective. It is much better.
Hey Ethan, thanks for the reply. I have heard the slipstream and torque with the 22/22Ts on takeoff need a lot more rudder input. And that's interesting about slowing them down on descent into the circuit too. I think the sweet spot for me would be to find an SR20 with Perspective avionics. I've been told there's one SR20/G6 Perspective in Australia currently, but more are expected. I have a feeling that will become my go-to plane. Thanks again for taking the time to share that knowledge with the community here, cheers, Stef 👍
The company I hire from here in Brisbane has a g3 sr20 with perspective. And I have actually been in the g6 sr20 when it was here on the sunshine shine coast. That is the plane to have. Fast. Economical and relatively cheap compared to the sr22.
Why would you buy the SR22 T instead of the SR22 when the 22 has better range ? (less speed, lower ceiling, more fuel burn) but is speed the main factor here between the T and Nat aspirated ?
I’ll be honest for a sec. I’m watching your videos, in part, because I want to see something different. I fly 40-60 year old a/c because that what I can afford. Upgrade to the 22T and tell us what you think! By the way, the camera work and editing is on point. Every video produced is better than the last. Thanks for putting the effort in.
Thanks Captain, I really appreciate that. I'm hoping to get a test flight in an SR22T soon, I'll definitely film that and give some thoughts very soon. Cheers as always, Stef
I think the best way to look at it is what are you going to do with it and can you afford the extra cost. If you are planning a number of long trips across Australia and London ha ha, then it might be worth upgrading albeit at the cost of higher fuel consumption and rental fee. A have a feeling that your heart is saying SR22 and your head, stay with the SR20 a bit longer. Whatever decision you make i'm sure it will be the right one.
Yes the rental fee difference is something I haven't covered in this video, but definitely should spend some time discussing. I think you might be right Spiro, part of me thinks SR22 but my head is being sensible and wondering is it really worth the extra cost. You know me well! Thanks as always, Stef 👍
Every pilot has a different mission, but given the opportunity to enhance upon already known safety features, performance, and range, I’d upgrade. Of course, there’s the financial perspective as well, but this will also enhance the aircraft resale potential.
Is this Cirrus new I've never heard about. But there's not much better than a Cirrus because Cirrus make there planes very well. Cirrus's aren't that affordable for people as for people mostly get Piper or Cessna which I'm looking for Cessna as for getting advice from friends and TH-cam channels like this one. I was recently at the Lilydale Airshow which all the privates there that were just chilling I look at the C-182s which I'm sure it's was a 182 but if it was I didn't know that they are Six Seaters which was weird as for the C-172 has only 4 seats. Cirrus's are very well made planes and great Video Stef! This was very confusing and interesting! Great one Stef!
I sadly missed the Lilydale Airshow but I saw some photos and it looked like a fun day. I flew a C182 a few years ago from Sydney to Tasmania and back - very comfortable plane. But yes, Cirrus aircraft are very good, you do pay a bit more, but the avionics and system redundancy, plus the safety and overall general comfort for me is worth it. Thanks Yoshi 👍
I hate to break it to you but TDS has been seeing other pilots. I hope you have been flying safe. Re the SR22 I would do a flight under supervision first. Go some place to stretch it's legs and then decide. Plus as others have said here, you can always fly both and use them as per the mission. - Mike Costello.
You break my heart Mike, I thought TDS and I had something special. Oh well, I guess I did hang with an SR22T so I've only got myself to blame... Yep looking to take an SR22T up with an Instructor for sure, I'd like to experience the extra power and speed under supervision with an Instructor as PIC. Hoping to do that very soon on this channel. Appreciate the feedback, thanks as aways for watching, Stef 👍
Here what you do upgrade to a 22T, enjoy but put your order in for Cirrus's new Vision Jet, that's when the real fun starts. Just a through. , By the way, is Cirrus importing or building their aircraft down under?
Ha yeah I’d love to try the Vision Jet. One step at a time though. And as far as I’ve seen Cirrus are still manufacturing in the US and delivering to Australian customers. The imported aircraft get some final assembly and avionics updates made here, but the actual airframe construction is still done in the US.
Great video Stef, with lots of interesting and informative content. 200 horses to 310 ( I was excited when I went from 65 to 100!) and 'hitting the autopilot' in my machine involves cuffing my copilot around the back of their head! ;) Seriously though, what is the consumption comparison?
Haha, that copilot comment almost made me spit my tea out! Based on this comment and a few others, I think I need to do a full fuel consumption / rental fee / performance comparison between the two models. I'm back at the airport this week, any excuse to fly the SR22T is very much welcomed... Stay tuned :) Cheers, Stef 👍
Hey Taimur, thanks for joining the channel. I am about to update my channel trailer as it happens, so good timing! Thanks for the feedback, and welcome, Stef 👍
Hey Stef, On the SR20/22, when you do an ILS Approach. Where do you rely on in the bad decisions? Is it the flight director? Or the Navigation Arc below the PFD? Thank you!
Hey Louis, depends what you mean with bad decisions, but basically once established on an ILS, I'm watching the localizer (left/right of track) and glideslope (above/below glidepath), plus airspeeds, artificial horizon, altimeter, GPS distances and a few other bits. There are certain tolerances that, if exceeded, I will go missed approach but those are my personal tolerances and I don't want to publish that sort of detail here (as I'm not a qualified instructor). Basically though, as long as the key instruments (localizer, glideslope, airspeed, AH, altimeter, GPS) are within tolerance, and if I'm visual before the approach minima, I'll keep on trucking. If not, I go missed approach and either try again or head off to the alternate. Hope that helps, Stef
Haha stupid autocorrect! So in bad vis (and tbh even when visual) you’re monitoring the localizer and glideslope indicator, then cross referencing your position on the GPS with the height you should be at. The Cirrus Perspective gives you some additional tools like highway in the sky which also really helps, but in basic IFR flying it really comes down to ‘is my track good’ and ‘is my descent good’ and making adjustments if necessary.
See what your time is worth per hour and then upgrade, it worth it and besides higher (better fuel cost in the long run), faster (what your time worth) equals safer.
Hey R2robot. It's a Cirrus product but you're right it's based on the Garmin G1000. They call it 'Cirrus Perspective by Garmin'. Some of the parts are similar like some of the GPS modules, COM/NAV etc, but a lot has been redeveloped by Cirrus specifically for the Perspective Avionics. So they look very similar, but they are different systems. Thanks for watching, cheers, Stef 👍
It is a standard G1000 without many of the panel buttons. The buttons moved to the Perspective panel. The GFC700 is the same standard Garmin product, no changes.
Question: what do you think are the best features of the Cirrus SR22?
All of it! Yes and upgrade from me or stick with you want your choice.
Upgrade upgrade upgrade.
When I started looking into the Ciruus transition I toured the cockpit of an SR22. Looks awesome. Plus a higher performance to boot. What’s not to love. I’m sure you’ll enjoy it.
Also.... TDS, what’s your average cruise TAS?
TDS cruis TAS is 130Kts for flight planning. Realistic ground speed when leaned out and at 65% power for longer flights is around 120Kts though. Yeah the SR22T is looking pretty tempting, especially the high altitude capabilities. Thanks Richard 👍
Thanks Yoshi!
The max cruise for the 22T 215ktas. At 75% power is about 185ktas.
Very helpful video for a guy upgrading from a 2005 SR20 with Avidyne to the new Garmin Perspective. You can read books about it for hours, but having someone push the buttons and explain what they do is infinitely more useful.
I actually just made the transition from the 20 to the 22 and continue to fly both. Both planes have the same avionics so it made it easier. The power and speed of the SR22 is awesome but the rental cost keeps me coming back to the SR20 for most flights. I'd love to watch you fly both and report on the differences. I've never flown the Perspective package so I'd love to see it in action. Another great video man, keep em comin!
Thanks Pat. Yeah it's the rental costs from the SR20 to SR22 which is making me hesitant. I love longer trips so it could add up quickly, even with the faster speeds, to move to the SR22 (especially a Turbo). I'm really keen to try an SR20 G6 with the Perspective Plus suite, but there's only one in Australia currently. To be honest, I think that for me would be the ultimate plane. Where do you fly from Pat, and who are you hiring your Cirrus aircraft through? Cheers mate 👍
I fly out of an airport (KLPR) just outside Cleveland, OH in the states. The flight school there has a 20 and 22 that I rent. Unless you're in a real hurry, the 22 doesn't really make sense to me from a cost perspective... but it sure is fun to fly!
I have been flying so many different types. I personally think The Cirrus series is one of the best Aircraft today.!
Great video!
If you want a cost effective way to fly an SR22 think about joining a syndicate. Our group of 5 is full for now. With a few people interested we may purchase a 2nd plane to be stored at Essendon with the first one. Could be an SR20 for local flights or another SR22 depending on new member requirements. Fractional ownership means fractional capital and fractional costs. Great way to fly a couple of hundred hours a year. If you fly more than 50 hours a year this is worth considering. I have been in 2 flying syndicates now over 18 years of flying and have been current the whole way through but for one stormy winter when the kids were babies and business was tough.
Am about to commence my transition training into the SR20 this weekend - Can’t wait!
Hi. I fly both the SR20 and sr22. Except for the increased power, speed and payload, there isn’t that much different. The airframes are the same. So if you can fly the one, you can fly the other one. Different power settings in the circuit. You really do notice the power on take off and Vy climb. You have to step on that right rudder to keep it on the runway. For me the biggest difference is slowing it down. You have to plan your decent and circuit entry well in advance, because she won’t slow down and decent at the same time. But once you hit your 100 knots and 50 flap on downwind, it’s exactly the same as the sr20 to land. I like the sr22, but maybe the one at my FBO is newer with larger screens and leather seats.. but if you just gone cruise around Melbourne, the sr20 will give you just as much satisfaction. Whatever you decide, DO Upgrade to the perspective. It is much better.
Hey Ethan, thanks for the reply. I have heard the slipstream and torque with the 22/22Ts on takeoff need a lot more rudder input. And that's interesting about slowing them down on descent into the circuit too. I think the sweet spot for me would be to find an SR20 with Perspective avionics. I've been told there's one SR20/G6 Perspective in Australia currently, but more are expected. I have a feeling that will become my go-to plane. Thanks again for taking the time to share that knowledge with the community here, cheers, Stef 👍
The company I hire from here in Brisbane has a g3 sr20 with perspective. And I have actually been in the g6 sr20 when it was here on the sunshine shine coast. That is the plane to have. Fast. Economical and relatively cheap compared to the sr22.
Ooh that is good to know, I can't wait to try the G6 SR20. The guys down here said they may be getting one, so fingers crossed.
Whatever works best for the Pilot is the way to go.
Great Channel - you've got a new fan! : )
Hey Frank, thank you, welcome to the channel, great to have you here! Stef 👍
Why would you buy the SR22 T instead of the SR22 when the 22 has better range ? (less speed, lower ceiling, more fuel burn) but is speed the main factor here between the T and Nat aspirated ?
Upgrade man.....upgrade you get there quicker farther and faster plus it looks SEXY!!!
I’ll be honest for a sec. I’m watching your videos, in part, because I want to see something different. I fly 40-60 year old a/c because that what I can afford. Upgrade to the 22T and tell us what you think!
By the way, the camera work and editing is on point. Every video produced is better than the last. Thanks for putting the effort in.
Thanks Captain, I really appreciate that. I'm hoping to get a test flight in an SR22T soon, I'll definitely film that and give some thoughts very soon. Cheers as always, Stef
I think the best way to look at it is what are you going to do with it and can you afford the extra cost. If you are planning a number of long trips across Australia and London ha ha, then it might be worth upgrading albeit at the cost of higher fuel consumption and rental fee. A have a feeling that your heart is saying SR22 and your head, stay with the SR20 a bit longer. Whatever decision you make i'm sure it will be the right one.
Yes the rental fee difference is something I haven't covered in this video, but definitely should spend some time discussing. I think you might be right Spiro, part of me thinks SR22 but my head is being sensible and wondering is it really worth the extra cost. You know me well! Thanks as always, Stef 👍
Every pilot has a different mission, but given the opportunity to enhance upon already known safety features, performance, and range, I’d upgrade. Of course, there’s the financial perspective as well, but this will also enhance the aircraft resale potential.
What does it cost to hire the sr20 and the sr22?
Go for it SR22 all the way. Sorry I cheated and went to some of your later videos. LMAO.
Is this Cirrus new I've never heard about. But there's not much better than a Cirrus because Cirrus make there planes very well. Cirrus's aren't that affordable for people as for people mostly get Piper or Cessna which I'm looking for Cessna as for getting advice from friends and TH-cam channels like this one. I was recently at the Lilydale Airshow which all the privates there that were just chilling I look at the C-182s which I'm sure it's was a 182 but if it was I didn't know that they are Six Seaters which was weird as for the C-172 has only 4 seats. Cirrus's are very well made planes and great Video Stef! This was very confusing and interesting! Great one Stef!
I sadly missed the Lilydale Airshow but I saw some photos and it looked like a fun day. I flew a C182 a few years ago from Sydney to Tasmania and back - very comfortable plane. But yes, Cirrus aircraft are very good, you do pay a bit more, but the avionics and system redundancy, plus the safety and overall general comfort for me is worth it. Thanks Yoshi 👍
I hate to break it to you but TDS has been seeing other pilots. I hope you have been flying safe.
Re the SR22 I would do a flight under supervision first. Go some place to stretch it's legs and then decide. Plus as others have said here, you can always fly both and use them as per the mission. - Mike Costello.
You break my heart Mike, I thought TDS and I had something special. Oh well, I guess I did hang with an SR22T so I've only got myself to blame... Yep looking to take an SR22T up with an Instructor for sure, I'd like to experience the extra power and speed under supervision with an Instructor as PIC. Hoping to do that very soon on this channel. Appreciate the feedback, thanks as aways for watching, Stef 👍
Here what you do upgrade to a 22T, enjoy but put your order in for Cirrus's new Vision Jet, that's when the real fun starts. Just a through. , By the way, is Cirrus importing or building their aircraft down under?
Ha yeah I’d love to try the Vision Jet. One step at a time though. And as far as I’ve seen Cirrus are still manufacturing in the US and delivering to Australian customers. The imported aircraft get some final assembly and avionics updates made here, but the actual airframe construction is still done in the US.
Cirrus posts pricing on their website. There is no negotiating price, only picking the options.
can you do an updated video on this same topic
I'm getting to the stage where I actually understand some of the instrument panel. Shame there's not a test at the end. Cheers Harry
Haha thanks Harry, definitely no test! It's a very intuitive layout and user interface, easy to pick up quickly. Cheers mate, Stef 👍
Great video Stef, with lots of interesting and informative content.
200 horses to 310 ( I was excited when I went from 65 to 100!) and 'hitting the autopilot' in my machine involves cuffing my copilot around the back of their head! ;) Seriously though, what is the consumption comparison?
Haha, that copilot comment almost made me spit my tea out! Based on this comment and a few others, I think I need to do a full fuel consumption / rental fee / performance comparison between the two models. I'm back at the airport this week, any excuse to fly the SR22T is very much welcomed... Stay tuned :) Cheers, Stef 👍
Stefan Drury - Have you seen the TH-cam video ‘10 Year Old Cirrus Pilot’ ? Youngster flying a SR22T G5
Heyyyyy! new fan here 😎
Make a video on ur bio!
Ur birthday , hobbies etc 😊
Great video tho! 😍
Hey Taimur, thanks for joining the channel. I am about to update my channel trailer as it happens, so good timing! Thanks for the feedback, and welcome, Stef 👍
Hey Stef,
On the SR20/22, when you do an ILS Approach. Where do you rely on in the bad decisions? Is it the flight director? Or the Navigation Arc below the PFD?
Thank you!
Hey Louis, depends what you mean with bad decisions, but basically once established on an ILS, I'm watching the localizer (left/right of track) and glideslope (above/below glidepath), plus airspeeds, artificial horizon, altimeter, GPS distances and a few other bits. There are certain tolerances that, if exceeded, I will go missed approach but those are my personal tolerances and I don't want to publish that sort of detail here (as I'm not a qualified instructor). Basically though, as long as the key instruments (localizer, glideslope, airspeed, AH, altimeter, GPS) are within tolerance, and if I'm visual before the approach minima, I'll keep on trucking. If not, I go missed approach and either try again or head off to the alternate. Hope that helps, Stef
Stefan Drury sorry, I meant bad visibility. Must have auto corrected.
And also. Thank you Stefan!
Haha stupid autocorrect! So in bad vis (and tbh even when visual) you’re monitoring the localizer and glideslope indicator, then cross referencing your position on the GPS with the height you should be at. The Cirrus Perspective gives you some additional tools like highway in the sky which also really helps, but in basic IFR flying it really comes down to ‘is my track good’ and ‘is my descent good’ and making adjustments if necessary.
You should!! Upgrate!
See what your time is worth per hour and then upgrade, it worth it and besides higher (better fuel cost in the long run), faster (what your time worth) equals safer.
Sounds like I need a spreadsheet, hooray!
Top show de bola
Stefan...simple answer to your dilemma... "the only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys". If you have the cash...go for it!!
Haha, I love it!
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Is that not the Garmin G1000? :thinking:
Hey R2robot. It's a Cirrus product but you're right it's based on the Garmin G1000. They call it 'Cirrus Perspective by Garmin'. Some of the parts are similar like some of the GPS modules, COM/NAV etc, but a lot has been redeveloped by Cirrus specifically for the Perspective Avionics. So they look very similar, but they are different systems. Thanks for watching, cheers, Stef 👍
Gotcha. Thanks!
It is a standard G1000 without many of the panel buttons. The buttons moved to the Perspective panel. The GFC700 is the same standard Garmin product, no changes.
I’d stick with the SR20. No need to spend exponentially more for marginal performance gains.
The bug on his face 0:58
ah go ahead and get the 22 and donate your 20 to me.