These are great do it all general purpose optics, I own two, 1X and 3X and really love them. The 1X is just really underrated and is absolutely a red dot killer, especially if you have any sort of vision issues. I would argue that you don't really need an offset red dot with the 3X. If you don't want another expense, and more equipment hanging off of your rifle then you can easily train with the 3X to make close up shots. Marines did it with 4X for years. The more equipment and high tech you get, the more logistics and support required.
I have astigmatism also. I have a PA 3x ACSS optic. I like it fine and it's works well with a low mount on my Zastava ZPAP M70. What really shines is the PA 1x ACSS optic paired with the PA 3x flip-to-side magnifier. If the magnifier is flipped out, I can shoot both eyes open and have a huge field of vision. Flipped in and BAMM, you have super clear longer range vision and a much larger field of vision.
Will you ever consider reviewing other prisms that are similar in price and weight to the PA ones? Most notably the Vector paragons and Hawke prisms come to mind. I’d love to see how they stack up against the PA ones, since PA makes good quality optics
Good information. However, I don’t understand the purpose of a higher magnification prism (5x) in a market where acceptable quality LPVOs exist at a comparable price, such as the Sig MSR 1-6. I bought a MSR with mount for $280. I have 1x to 6x performance and illuminated reticle for essentially less money.
My inner durian rider is being triggered by the disk brakes. Lol These 3x’s are pretty awesome for the money. Great video, hope you had a good thanksgiving.
I am right eye dominant and have no useful vision out of my left eye. I'm thinking a 45 degree mounted iron sights would make more sense to me to combine with my PA SLXx1 Prism.....Optionally, I do have a couple of Holosun Red (Green/Gold) dots but they have the AEMS reticle which is similar to EOTech from what I understand. I want to put a magnifier behind one of those.
GLX 2X for close quarter up to 300 yards so says Garand Thumb in his lengthy review. I totally agree with him , it's by far the best prism for such engagement. Nice 400 yard groups can be had for some, I've gotton 4.5 - 5" grouping using Blackhills 556 77gr through Rosco Bloodline 16" Barrel. Would this scope be my go to for such long distance? Heck no lol. It's perfect for up to 300 yards though
I liked the benefit of etched reticle but I bought the Atibal Sights 1x prism and they said it’s not made to magnify. I also have astigmatism but I can stand the star bursting of the red dot. My EOTech is fuzzy looking at the donut of d€@th but not so much when I target focus. I might just run the EOTech and keep my 123 rechargeables topped off all the time since I can put my FTC 3x EOTech magnifier behind it. 20:53 I am in this boat, I don’t know I’m going to use my rifles. I also see many people using SBR’s out to 700 yds with an RMR (Abner of Tier 1 Citizen). I’m planning to get a Noveske 9mm PCC from my classmate’s estate to give his widow some funds so I’ll toss my 1x on there since I won’t be shooting very far. Thanks for the video.
I really wish you had done some other comparison combos say 1x vs 3x, and 1x vs 5x. I feel you really lose your perspective or understanding of the magnification when you only compare ones that are close together. Maybe just a still image of all 5 side by side.
Doing CQB with 20” rifles with ACOGs on top really shows that an offset dot isn’t necessary. Very basic practice can get you proficient at CQB with magnified optics. Save the weight and just run it.
All day. I have ACOG TA33 3x on two carbines and train for close engagements out to distance. Static, moving, and from cover. KISS setup with BUIS. Batteries not included.
It really depends on your environment. I have seen first hand that a camouflaged target at 200 yards is nearly impossible to identify with a 3x. If you’re training for a home invasion, then a red dot or 1x is all you’d need. If you’re training for SHTF, you’d need more magnification than a 3x because your opponent will be as far away as possible with as much camo as he could possibly use.
@@jacobivy2854combat in the next 20 years will not resemble combat of the past. If you go outside, you're dead. Everybody is sniping now unless they're stupid
I tried a Romeo 5, the SLx 1x and GLx 2x on my .338 specter SBR and found that I liked the 2x better even though I shoot suppressed subsonic 80% of the time. I think it was the huge eyebox along with just enough magnification to make some shots easier.
@@CDOES I’m hoping C_Does will get his hands on the new Arken Zulus 5x20 day/night digital scope I can’t buy anything unless I’ve seen you review it first . LoL 👍
I've had the older version of the 3x32 on my AK for a few years and absolutely love it. However, the size has me looking at these newer ones and I think i'll stay with the 3x. Great comparison.
100%! Same story here. I really was thinking about the new 3x to save weight, but I've seen instances of breakage on the PA when torture testing. I think people should consider that as you may not necessarily go to war with your rifle, but you could easily drop it one day...stuff happens. That version of the 3x, the older one has been put through the ringer and survived everything from drops onto hard rock to being run over with a truck! Just a consideration as I really do like these new optics and love Primary Arms, but I also try to think worst case.
3X is Truly a wonderful optic,I have it on my Zastava M90 and it's nice say sitting at the bench and seeing exactly where I am hitting at 30yrds. plus,It can be used at point blank using the Halo of death as your Dot
I would love it if an option of the 3X would be to get the reticle that the 5X has. Just do not like that stupid donut. Also, 1 MOA adjustments on the 1X is just too coarse. This is what stops me from buying that one.
This is one of the best videos that explains optics that I've ever seen. Usually they don't show the reticle when talking about scopes but the way you put this together was easy to see and understand. Thank you for an excellent video.
Why does the industry kill off all 4x stuff and force 3x and 5x? I'm looking for rds+magnifier or another solution on a short, a bit forward rail (AUG)with no eyebox issue. Eotech...no 4x magnifier anymore, low battery life, price quite high...1200-1400€ for a G33 combo. Sig Sauer Romeo4H + Juliet4, 50k h battery life, 4x, heavy magnifier, price
I’m currently trying to decide if I should get the 3x or 2x for my Zastava M70 and I am so torn. 😢 what do you in the comment section think? The rifle is designed to be used from 25-300 yards.
I can’t believe I just found your channel. I have a handful of gun tubers who I subscribe to regarding firearms and accessories reviews. Yours is probably one of the best regarding optics! I just bought the GLX 2x prism based on your evaluation and my needs. Two things I’ll add as my go to rifles all have ACOG’s in either TA33 (3x) or TA31 (4x). Target Identification - for sure with higher magnification, better target identification. I don’t compete but use my rifles as tools and I carry a 8x monocular or 10x compact binoculars with me. This does a much better job of target identification in real world situations. Close Quarters Work - with ACOG’s and keeping both eyes open you can be effective at very close distances. And, transitioning to primary and secondary sides is just as effective with prisms if you train to it. Excellent reviews and I look forward to your future stuff!
I have a 5x, and while eye relief is supposed to be the same, I have a much easier time getting behind the 3x quickly, 2x even more so. I really wanted the 5x to be my solution, but I feel like I have to hunt too much for a clean sight picture. I thought about their full size 5x, but for the weight, you can get an lpvo... I'll add another vote for a glx 4x.
I have a little problem, the Romeo 5X I'm using now is a 20mm lens but the MicroPrism is a 17mm lens, I want to enjoy the feeling of a big lens but I like the MicroPrism a lot, do you guys have any suggestions?
th-cam.com/video/Biu0RKW8lp0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kqcRJKik9eic6q5V Can you do a review on immersive optics x5 prism?? We need your critical review. They seem like they’re very forward thinking.
I like the etched reticle because of my astigmatism, On my 3x prism. but the eye relief could be better. I would sacrifice a little in size for a more forgiving eye relief.
Lightweight point aim and shoot optic is ideal for coyote hunting. Love this micro prism concept. I’ve looked through a 3x but have not looked through the 5x. I’m imagining the 5x should be better for aiming but not ideal for field of view on acquiring running coyotes. Wonder how last minute light is with the 5x. Also really want the 5x FDE color released for hunting. My painting scope skill is not desirable
26:10 don't they also have a 45° mount? i'd be interested in a review of that mount and its durabilty, especially since i've seen some of the 12 o'clock ones get bent when dropped
I have the 1x on one rifle, two slots back from the front of the receiver. No, I do not get the full FOV through it. It doesn't matter, because I have both eyes open. The eye relief, and eyebox are forgiving enough that my head would have to be ridiculously out of position to make it unusable. It is as fast as my RDS equipped rifles, but allows better precision out to 300 yds. The 2x, although not quite as good close in, is still very useable. That tiny bit of magnification, along with the long eye relief, and forgiving eyebox, makes it a favorite. I don't want the 3x or 5x, I want a Glx 4x. PA, are ya listening? Excellent video!
I couldn't get mine to work behind so I tried forward. I have the micro prism mounted between T6 & T12 on my upper and the magnifier on the back slots of my forend rail. I do not need to shift my cheek weld when switching between magnified & unmagnified. It's a slick setup, I recommend people with the combo give it a try if they haven't already. I also have the magnifier switched around to swing to the left with PA's non-push button mount. I can quickly move it to magnified or unmagnified with the thumb of my weak hand while gripping the forend or use the Kyle Defoor method by rotating it against my non-dominant forearm to move it to magnified.
@@1lostinspace uh no im pretty sure i'd be able to see it, just like you can in the 5x.... so are you saying that every device/ product is 100% perfect from the factory? if so then why is there any aftermarket for cars, firearms, and many other things? MFG's make what they think is best for everyone. doesnt mean it is.
That’s what I bought for my M70. I haven’t gotten it to the range to sight it in yet. Seemed like the most practical in my opinion for being able to obtain targets quickly enough up close and get out a few hundred yards. I feel like if I want to be shooting further than that I need a different rifle and scope. But what do I know really.
If they made the 5x without rheostat and just buttons on the side, maybe then they can increase the objective a few mm and still being in the same profile and make it even easier to get behind it would be a great optic! I also wish they would get away from the mini acog footprint and adopt something like a T1/T2 pattern for more mounting versatility. Then if they made a 4x in this and it would be perfect! the 5x needs autolive as well.
Idk about these optics but I love Primary Arms. They're pretty close to me in Houston and have awesome prices and service. This guy is the best optics reviewer on the TH-cam with that CA Super Set guy second but I think he started a new channel. I need to try one of these but the next cheap optic I get will probably be their 1-6 LPVO with their Nova reticle. I hear the illumination is great on those. I have a Sig MSR 1-8 and a Vortex Viper Pst 1-6. 8 need an ACOG and another LPVO. I would love a Razor or NightForce but they are expensive as you know.
I’m really hung up on lpvo vs 1x +3x flip to side magnifying. Won’t be magnifying often as its home will be on til of a 12.5” barreled ar. Have offset flip up backups (magpul pro offsets to the right of pic rail….wanting mag to flip to left of pic rail. Have an astigmatism….and am right handed with left eye dominance. Everything that can go against me aiming properly already has happened. We’ll see I guesss.
I'm glad you mentioned cross-eye dominance this is probably the only optics review video I've seen make mention of that. I'm right handed and left eye dominant, although I've been training to flip my eye dominance, I still struggle to shoot anything magnified with both eyes open which is why I love red dots, so I'm almost wondering if the 3x might be fine yet as a sort of do-anything general purpose optic setup on something like a 14.5 AR, I'd say a large majority of my shooting takes place well under 100 yards but there's times I'd like to get out to 200-300, with my aging eyes I've grown to like my 5x magnifier but it does have very limited eye relief and very limited field of view. I'm thinking the 3x might be the good compromise I'm looking for.
Thank you for the thorough and specific horizontal review on products coming from one single manufacture. I think we need more videos like this than just comparing products from different companies because each company can have many options too and sometimes people get confused and struggled.
I just wish PA would let its customers choose what reticle for what optic versus them doing it or give 2-3 options for each. Some are great, some are overcrowded mess.
Outstanding thank you ! New to the prism concept - I needed your expertise here, it has helped me narrow my need to the 3x . Love your approach and no nonsense rapid fire prose . Bravo.
Excellent explanation of great optics & their differences. Love the PA 1x I'm using right now on an SP5. Considering a 3x for a custom 10/22 build (old eyes) for 25, 50, 100 & 150. Any opinions? Thank you & keep up the good work.
I run a PA SLx 1x and a Vector Optics Paragon 1x16 on different rifles. Both with the Holosun HM3X magnifier behind the prism. Both function perfect when one matches the diopers for their own vision. I don't understand why many claim that prism+magnifier can't be used together. Perhaps it is because they tried the PA 6x magnifier which makes the image a blurry mess..?
What about using a microprism as a magnifier? I'm considering the Holosun SCRS with a 5x microprism behind it on a flip to side mount (compatible with PA magnifier mount). Get the advantage of magnification and the drop reticle with the illuminated reticles superimposed. Seems you've got all the gear.. do a video.
Hey C_Does! Love your stuff man. I would love to see a video from you comparing fixed 5x prisms. The Steiner T536, the PA SLx 5x, and the Swampfox Saber are all pretty solid and I would love to hear how they contrast in your observations. Hope your Thanksgiving was great!
This was a excellent review. I've been debating which 1 I want to put on a 12GA I own and I'm definitely leaning towards 3x after watching this. Thank you so much.
I found this a great tutorial. I'm currently in the market for a PSA prism and this has been most informative. I still need to find the correct eye relief/ model that will work on a SOCOM 16, which from what I understand I will most likely require a mount that will replace my rear site. If anyone has recommendations for mounting say the x2 I would love to hear what you have to say.
This video was very helpful. I've been considering the SLx 3x for an AK build. I generally love the RDS+magnifier set up, but AKs have inherant height-over-bore and cheek-weld issues when mounting optics. So a 3x prism sight that can be mounted low and have as good of an eye-box as the SLx 3x seems like the best match for an AK
;I'm at that age where my eyes are getting worse by the years, struggling with irons as close as 50yds, get eye fatigue much quicker these days, very frustrating. LVPOs are ok, bit looking at prisms as an alternative. Very informative video, I have builds that I could utilize each of these optics on, thinking on going middle ground & trying the 3x on a 16". Very much appreviate the video, & would appreciate anyone's input that has experience with any of these optics, especially barrel lengths & with what grain ammo(5.56) with the bdc's.
Thank you for doing this. Iv been wanting either the 3x or 5x but recently saw the 3x in person and hated how tiny the etched reticle is in person. I can barely see the chevron. I hv 20/20 vision. So this shouldnt be the case. The 5x looks fantastic. Going to put it on my AR15 with a canted Red dot
Sold both of my Gen 1 1x because of the same issue with both. Both images looked de-magnified. Like almost .8 rather than 1x and neither would take a magnifier. But man I somehow want a 3x gen2 here
I love the 1x and 3x I have, but I just wish the eye relief would allow for use on more traditional rifles. the 3 or 5x would be awesome on a .22lr or 300blk bolt action, but the eye relief doesn't work out. I just grabbed a glx 2x to give it a shot and see if it will work out on my 300blk bolt action. Figured it would be a decent balance between a red dot and an l/mvpo
@@onpsxmember on an AR15 the last few slots on the receiver. On my ar10, it has to be all the way back with the 1.41 mount. The taller mounts cantilever back a bit more so maybe a slot more forward. But there is no way in hell it has enough relief for a bolt action or more traditional rifle rail location.
I have used the GLX 2x on a bolt gun (7.62x39) and it’s a super handy package. Get a Pic rail for your rifle’s receiver, mount the prism all the way back, and you should be good. If you have a variable length of pull stock, remove the spacers, or if there’s a compact stock option for your rifle, go with that. Something around a 12” to 13” LOP should be perfect. Ruger sells the American Ranch rifle in .350 Legend with a compact stock. Adorable little thing; weighs 6 lbs and is shorter than a yardstick. I am seriously considering getting one of those and trying a 7.62x39/ .300 BLK GLX prism on it. The ballistics should be pretty close (.350 Legend is a lot like .30-30) and with the detachable box mag, that strikes me as an epic truck gun. Hogs, close up whitetail, coyotes, whatever. I think the SLX 3x prism (mentioned above) would be a tough one to mount properly on a bolt gun; eye relief will be the challenge. The 2x shines for that kind of project.
people make fun of how I can “over analyze” things, (and its true… I can many times to that to a fault) but you provide all the essential details my math mind craves lol. Thanks man… many subscribers in your future. I hope this brings you many new opportunities. Blessings to you in New York… (from CA).
He has a face????? What else is he not telling us!?!?
He already told you he lives in an apartment and he rides a bike. What else do you need man?
@@BigSmartArmed toe pics
@@civicsr2cool well i'm not gonna get in-between you too. Find another guy.
@@BigSmartArmedwhat on earth did I click into 💀
He’s actually shown his face in previous videos
These are great do it all general purpose optics, I own two, 1X and 3X and really love them. The 1X is just really underrated and is absolutely a red dot killer, especially if you have any sort of vision issues. I would argue that you don't really need an offset red dot with the 3X. If you don't want another expense, and more equipment hanging off of your rifle then you can easily train with the 3X to make close up shots. Marines did it with 4X for years. The more equipment and high tech you get, the more logistics and support required.
Absolutely agree. I have the 3x and with a little training able to pick up 50 yards and in for close targets.
I agree. You can train around anything. But getting something that 'fits' you better from the get go definitely helps.
Aren't prism optics supposed to be used with the Binden Aiming Concept anyways?
I bought an SLx 1x Gemini reticle in 9mm from Hopsurp; the thing sits on my Cx4 Storm and I'm never replacing it. Smart little purchase.
Absolutely perfect usage for that 1x.
@@CDOESdo you use the 9mm bdc reticle for your ruger?
I suppose only would matter if taking a 9mm out to distance
I have astigmatism also. I have a PA 3x ACSS optic. I like it fine and it's works well with a low mount on my Zastava ZPAP M70. What really shines is the PA 1x ACSS optic paired with the PA 3x flip-to-side magnifier. If the magnifier is flipped out, I can shoot both eyes open and have a huge field of vision. Flipped in and BAMM, you have super clear longer range vision and a much larger field of vision.
The most detail Prism guide by far. Thank you
I am happy you think so
Thanks Man!!! Good knowledge of what I’m going to do next with optics. Much appreciated.
Thanks for the comprehensive breakdown. I have a friend in the fence with his purchase.
a 3x sits on an M1A, like it was made for it, replaces rear sight
Another great review. Happy Thanksgiving!
Hey bro, I absolutely love your reviews…what camera/phone mount are you using behind the optic?
They make a 1X micro prism with 9 mm reticle for PCCs too
Thanks for the review
I run the red dot on my 1-6 because i keep the lpvo zoomed in and use the red dot most of the time for up close.
Will you ever consider reviewing other prisms that are similar in price and weight to the PA ones? Most notably the Vector paragons and Hawke prisms come to mind. I’d love to see how they stack up against the PA ones, since PA makes good quality optics
This was an amazing review. Wow. Thank you
Great video
Just be a baller and run the 5x Prism *and* the 1x Prism on a 45 degree offset pic rail!
You don’t need any offset red dot that’s what the big donut of death is for
I really enjoy your product reviews. Any chance you would share your set up used to record the behind the optic videos and pictures?
Great job 😊
Can you explain what you mean by “crop”? You’ve said it a few times and I’m not sure
Good information.
However, I don’t understand the purpose of a higher magnification prism (5x) in a market where acceptable quality LPVOs exist at a comparable price, such as the Sig MSR 1-6. I bought a MSR with mount for $280. I have 1x to 6x performance and illuminated reticle for essentially less money.
The only benefit would be weight saving with the micro prisms. I have the same as you and like it. Just a lot of options so we buy more stuff😂.
They’re wayyy more durable and lighter
I generally go with a LPVO if I go over 3X but the one advantage of a prism is that they tend to be way more durable.
Try dropping your rifle with an lpvo on it and see what happens lol. I wouldn’t trust that
I hate the bullet marking for different calibers, PA should use a simple MOA or MIL etch markings.
Great video!!!
My inner durian rider is being triggered by the disk brakes. Lol
These 3x’s are pretty awesome for the money. Great video, hope you had a good thanksgiving.
they need to make the 3x and 5x in Glx and Plx....
I am right eye dominant and have no useful vision out of my left eye. I'm thinking a 45 degree mounted iron sights would make more sense to me to combine with my PA SLXx1 Prism.....Optionally, I do have a couple of Holosun Red (Green/Gold) dots but they have the AEMS reticle which is similar to EOTech from what I understand. I want to put a magnifier behind one of those.
I have the 3x and I can hit from 0-300m
From the thumbnail I thought this was a MPMD video 😂
Yo I love that tool gun shirt!
Can you use the 2x with a 3x magnifier for 5x?
I think it's a battle rifle a 2X is for me.
GLX 2X for close quarter up to 300 yards so says Garand Thumb in his lengthy review.
I totally agree with him , it's by far the best prism for such engagement.
Nice 400 yard groups can be had for some, I've gotton 4.5 - 5" grouping using Blackhills 556 77gr through Rosco Bloodline 16" Barrel.
Would this scope be my go to for such long distance? Heck no lol.
It's perfect for up to 300 yards though
I liked the benefit of etched reticle but I bought the Atibal Sights 1x prism and they said it’s not made to magnify. I also have astigmatism but I can stand the star bursting of the red dot. My EOTech is fuzzy looking at the donut of d€@th but not so much when I target focus. I might just run the EOTech and keep my 123 rechargeables topped off all the time since I can put my FTC 3x EOTech magnifier behind it.
20:53 I am in this boat, I don’t know I’m going to use my rifles. I also see many people using SBR’s out to 700 yds with an RMR (Abner of Tier 1 Citizen). I’m planning to get a Noveske 9mm PCC from my classmate’s estate to give his widow some funds so I’ll toss my 1x on there since I won’t be shooting very far.
Thanks for the video.
Low sound volume....
You may need to irrigate your ears
Ar10 with the 5x and red dot offset?
Why is nobody talking about the tool gun t-shirt he's wearing
Not many are people of super high class such as yourself.
What do rescomand for the ruger pc charger
Is it just me or does he look related to Damien Lewis?
MorePrismsMoreDates
Dude looks just like him! 😂
Even the way he talks is similar
“Supra-physiological magnification”
Thank god TH-camrs such as your self take the time to make these informative videos !
🥰 thank you I think a lpvo video is next
Now what we need is a 4x GLX full size with the 5x style reticle and amazing glass under 14oz.
You prefer all that busy information on the 5x? Don't find it distracting?
@@seanoneil277 no, because, if you want fast you light it up. If not your are stable and working through the hold overs
@@seanoneil277 yeah, just gimme the ACSS with some drop dots
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Yup. I won't buy one because I don't like the reticle they offer for these optics.
I really wish you had done some other comparison combos say 1x vs 3x, and 1x vs 5x. I feel you really lose your perspective or understanding of the magnification when you only compare ones that are close together. Maybe just a still image of all 5 side by side.
Doing CQB with 20” rifles with ACOGs on top really shows that an offset dot isn’t necessary. Very basic practice can get you proficient at CQB with magnified optics.
Save the weight and just run it.
All day. I have ACOG TA33 3x on two carbines and train for close engagements out to distance. Static, moving, and from cover. KISS setup with BUIS. Batteries not included.
It really depends on your environment. I have seen first hand that a camouflaged target at 200 yards is nearly impossible to identify with a 3x. If you’re training for a home invasion, then a red dot or 1x is all you’d need. If you’re training for SHTF, you’d need more magnification than a 3x because your opponent will be as far away as possible with as much camo as he could possibly use.
@@isaacnayak182 Your comment would hold more weight if we hadn’t been using fixed 3x to 5x magnifiers in combat for the last 20+ years.
@@jacobivy2854combat in the next 20 years will not resemble combat of the past. If you go outside, you're dead. Everybody is sniping now unless they're stupid
hell inside a house dont even bother using the optic, just put the front sight at the base of torso and youre good
Now that is actually usefull content. It's getting rare these days, but this is definetly it.
You humble me. Thank you!
I tried a Romeo 5, the SLx 1x and GLx 2x on my .338 specter SBR and found that I liked the 2x better even though I shoot suppressed subsonic 80% of the time. I think it was the huge eyebox along with just enough magnification to make some shots easier.
Mmmmmm that Huge Eyebooxxxxx
@@CDOES I’m hoping C_Does will get his hands on
the new Arken Zulus 5x20 day/night digital scope
I can’t buy anything unless I’ve seen you review it first . LoL 👍
You have great production and presentation skills along with concise and meaningful reviews - keep up the good work!
Thank you kindly
And a voice like butter, nice to put a face to the voice after all these years! Hope your new family is doing well
I've had the older version of the 3x32 on my AK for a few years and absolutely love it. However, the size has me looking at these newer ones and I think i'll stay with the 3x. Great comparison.
Magnificent
100%! Same story here. I really was thinking about the new 3x to save weight, but I've seen instances of breakage on the PA when torture testing. I think people should consider that as you may not necessarily go to war with your rifle, but you could easily drop it one day...stuff happens. That version of the 3x, the older one has been put through the ringer and survived everything from drops onto hard rock to being run over with a truck! Just a consideration as I really do like these new optics and love Primary Arms, but I also try to think worst case.
3X is Truly a wonderful optic,I have it on my Zastava M90 and it's nice say sitting at the bench and seeing exactly where I am hitting at 30yrds. plus,It can be used at point blank using the Halo of death as your Dot
I’m researching for my AK, good information thanks
Solid shit dude! Yea 3x is awesome for us basement commandos
lmaoooo
Lead LARPing. I am guilty.
I would love it if an option of the 3X would be to get the reticle that the 5X has. Just do not like that stupid donut. Also, 1 MOA adjustments on the 1X is just too coarse. This is what stops me from buying that one.
This is one of the best videos that explains optics that I've ever seen. Usually they don't show the reticle when talking about scopes but the way you put this together was easy to see and understand. Thank you for an excellent video.
I am very happy to hear that mate
Why does the industry kill off all 4x stuff and force 3x and 5x?
I'm looking for rds+magnifier or another solution on a short, a bit forward rail (AUG)with no eyebox issue.
Eotech...no 4x magnifier anymore, low battery life, price quite high...1200-1400€ for a G33 combo.
Sig Sauer Romeo4H + Juliet4, 50k h battery life, 4x, heavy magnifier, price
Best video on the Microprism line to date. Thanks for your work, keep it up!
Much obliged
I’m currently trying to decide if I should get the 3x or 2x for my Zastava M70 and I am so torn. 😢 what do you in the comment section think? The rifle is designed to be used from 25-300 yards.
I would not trade for my 3x! You can train to use the 3x without need for an offset dot for close quarters use.
I can’t believe I just found your channel. I have a handful of gun tubers who I subscribe to regarding firearms and accessories reviews. Yours is probably one of the best regarding optics! I just bought the GLX 2x prism based on your evaluation and my needs. Two things I’ll add as my go to rifles all have ACOG’s in either TA33 (3x) or TA31 (4x).
Target Identification - for sure with higher magnification, better target identification. I don’t compete but use my rifles as tools and I carry a 8x monocular or 10x compact binoculars with me. This does a much better job of target identification in real world situations.
Close Quarters Work - with ACOG’s and keeping both eyes open you can be effective at very close distances. And, transitioning to primary and secondary sides is just as effective with prisms if you train to it.
Excellent reviews and I look forward to your future stuff!
I have a 5x, and while eye relief is supposed to be the same, I have a much easier time getting behind the 3x quickly, 2x even more so. I really wanted the 5x to be my solution, but I feel like I have to hunt too much for a clean sight picture. I thought about their full size 5x, but for the weight, you can get an lpvo... I'll add another vote for a glx 4x.
That sounds about right
I have a little problem, the Romeo 5X I'm using now is a 20mm lens but the MicroPrism is a 17mm lens, I want to enjoy the feeling of a big lens but I like the MicroPrism a lot, do you guys have any suggestions?
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Can you do a review on immersive optics x5 prism??
We need your critical review. They seem like they’re very forward thinking.
I like the etched reticle because of my astigmatism, On my 3x prism. but the eye relief could be better. I would sacrifice a little in size for a more forgiving eye relief.
Same, I ended up trading mine out for the GLX 2x for my AK
Get the ADM mount and you can push it back so that it’s not an issue
@@RogueBlood343 How do you like the GLX 2x? I have been looking that this for my 300BLK.
@@invertedpolarity6890you should be on primary arms right now I know it was on sale for 199 I believe
@@derek3154Agreed. I have that same mount on my 5x and it was a game changer.
We need a GLx 4x
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Lightweight point aim and shoot optic is ideal for coyote hunting. Love this micro prism concept. I’ve looked through a 3x but have not looked through the 5x. I’m imagining the 5x should be better for aiming but not ideal for field of view on acquiring running coyotes. Wonder how last minute light is with the 5x. Also really want the 5x FDE color released for hunting. My painting scope skill is not desirable
Hopefully theyll bring out the FDE format for all of them in the future. That and ODG plz
Hopefully primary arms makes a elcan knock off someday, something that can switch from 1x-4x. But compact, lightweight, affordable.
That would be cool. I know lead & steel is working on one as well
26:10 don't they also have a 45° mount? i'd be interested in a review of that mount and its durabilty, especially since i've seen some of the 12 o'clock ones get bent when dropped
I have the 1x on one rifle, two slots back from the front of the receiver. No, I do not get the full FOV through it. It doesn't matter, because I have both eyes open. The eye relief, and eyebox are forgiving enough that my head would have to be ridiculously out of position to make it unusable. It is as fast as my RDS equipped rifles, but allows better precision out to 300 yds.
The 2x, although not quite as good close in, is still very useable. That tiny bit of magnification, along with the long eye relief, and forgiving eyebox, makes it a favorite.
I don't want the 3x or 5x, I want a Glx 4x. PA, are ya listening?
Excellent video!
What do you think about running a LPVO with the 1x Micro as the offset?
Hope you had a great Thanksgiving my friend!
As to you, my friend.
So would you recommend the 1x or 2x for a 300BLK pistol dedicated for subsonic use?
i recently discovered forward magnifiers, I wonder how well that would work with the 1x micro prism
I couldn't get mine to work behind so I tried forward. I have the micro prism mounted between T6 & T12 on my upper and the magnifier on the back slots of my forend rail. I do not need to shift my cheek weld when switching between magnified & unmagnified. It's a slick setup, I recommend people with the combo give it a try if they haven't already. I also have the magnifier switched around to swing to the left with PA's non-push button mount. I can quickly move it to magnified or unmagnified with the thumb of my weak hand while gripping the forend or use the Kyle Defoor method by rotating it against my non-dominant forearm to move it to magnified.
The only issue with running pa's offset riser is that it is flimsy trash.
I would love the 5 x reticle in the 3x optic. i like how on the 5x reticle only the chevron is illuminated.
you wouldn’t see it, there is a reason things are how they are
@@1lostinspace uh no im pretty sure i'd be able to see it, just like you can in the 5x.... so are you saying that every device/ product is 100% perfect from the factory? if so then why is there any aftermarket for cars, firearms, and many other things? MFG's make what they think is best for everyone. doesnt mean it is.
@@mtnbound2764 What I am saying is it would be too thin to pick up in cqb or when needing speed, it’s why the 3x has the large horse shoe
@@1lostinspaceyeah i get your point, i just disagree. thats ok though, we dont have to agree on everything.
@@mtnbound2764 lol ok
Just got the Glx x2 for my Henry Allweather sidegate 30-30. Best ever.
Is the 2X one good for an AK?
That’s what I bought for my M70. I haven’t gotten it to the range to sight it in yet. Seemed like the most practical in my opinion for being able to obtain targets quickly enough up close and get out a few hundred yards. I feel like if I want to be shooting further than that I need a different rifle and scope. But what do I know really.
If they made the 5x without rheostat and just buttons on the side, maybe then they can increase the objective a few mm and still being in the same profile and make it even easier to get behind it would be a great optic! I also wish they would get away from the mini acog footprint and adopt something like a T1/T2 pattern for more mounting versatility. Then if they made a 4x in this and it would be perfect! the 5x needs autolive as well.
What kind of optic would work for a Kalashnikov KR-9 9mm rifle? Would a prism work?
If the eye relief is in the appropriate length, then yes.
Idk about these optics but I love Primary Arms. They're pretty close to me in Houston and have awesome prices and service. This guy is the best optics reviewer on the TH-cam with that CA Super Set guy second but I think he started a new channel. I need to try one of these but the next cheap optic I get will probably be their 1-6 LPVO with their Nova reticle. I hear the illumination is great on those. I have a Sig MSR 1-8 and a Vortex Viper Pst 1-6. 8 need an ACOG and another LPVO. I would love a Razor or NightForce but they are expensive as you know.
I’m really hung up on lpvo vs 1x +3x flip to side magnifying. Won’t be magnifying often as its home will be on til of a 12.5” barreled ar. Have offset flip up backups (magpul pro offsets to the right of pic rail….wanting mag to flip to left of pic rail. Have an astigmatism….and am right handed with left eye dominance. Everything that can go against me aiming properly already has happened. We’ll see I guesss.
I'm glad you mentioned cross-eye dominance this is probably the only optics review video I've seen make mention of that. I'm right handed and left eye dominant, although I've been training to flip my eye dominance, I still struggle to shoot anything magnified with both eyes open which is why I love red dots, so I'm almost wondering if the 3x might be fine yet as a sort of do-anything general purpose optic setup on something like a 14.5 AR, I'd say a large majority of my shooting takes place well under 100 yards but there's times I'd like to get out to 200-300, with my aging eyes I've grown to like my 5x magnifier but it does have very limited eye relief and very limited field of view. I'm thinking the 3x might be the good compromise I'm looking for.
Thank you for the thorough and specific horizontal review on products coming from one single manufacture. I think we need more videos like this than just comparing products from different companies because each company can have many options too and sometimes people get confused and struggled.
I have heard that the cantilever mounts for the 5x tend to lose zero in a drop. Is that the same for the 3x?
I've got the 3x on a pined 13.7 and pushing it out to 400y on a 18in steel plate was pretty fun.
I just wish PA would let its customers choose what reticle for what optic versus them doing it or give 2-3 options for each. Some are great, some are overcrowded mess.
Wouldn't that be wonderful? They absolutely could but then cost would skyrocket
Outstanding thank you ! New to the prism concept - I needed your expertise here, it has helped me narrow my need to the 3x . Love your approach and no nonsense rapid fire prose . Bravo.
Excellent explanation of great optics & their differences. Love the PA 1x I'm using right now on an SP5.
Considering a 3x for a custom 10/22 build (old eyes) for 25, 50, 100 & 150. Any opinions?
Thank you & keep up the good work.
I run a PA SLx 1x and a Vector Optics Paragon 1x16 on different rifles. Both with the Holosun HM3X magnifier behind the prism. Both function perfect when one matches the diopers for their own vision. I don't understand why many claim that prism+magnifier can't be used together. Perhaps it is because they tried the PA 6x magnifier which makes the image a blurry mess..?
Thank you for this. Was my exact question.
What about using a microprism as a magnifier? I'm considering the Holosun SCRS with a 5x microprism behind it on a flip to side mount (compatible with PA magnifier mount). Get the advantage of magnification and the drop reticle with the illuminated reticles superimposed. Seems you've got all the gear.. do a video.
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Is it ok to put a magnifier on this
And if the magnifier is 2x and the scope is 3x is the over all magnifid 9x or 6x?
Hey C_Does! Love your stuff man. I would love to see a video from you comparing fixed 5x prisms. The Steiner T536, the PA SLx 5x, and the Swampfox Saber are all pretty solid and I would love to hear how they contrast in your observations. Hope your Thanksgiving was great!
seems like 5x prisms are somewhat of a niche product. but that would be a good review!
Just get the fullsize 5x if you want an acog. the micros wil not be any better than the acogs they try to copy.
If you watch his PA 5x video he goes in depth with comparisons against the Vortex 5x, the Steiner, and even ACOG.
Hopefully Ill get the opportunity to get my hands on more options in the near future.
@@CDOES are there more options than what you have covered (that are available for sale still and not the steiner T-series?)
This was a excellent review. I've been debating which 1 I want to put on a 12GA I own and I'm definitely leaning towards 3x after watching this. Thank you so much.
Which would be the best for an ar with the carry handle mount in your opinion?
I found this a great tutorial. I'm currently in the market for a PSA prism and this has been most informative. I still need to find the correct eye relief/ model that will work on a SOCOM 16, which from what I understand I will most likely require a mount that will replace my rear site. If anyone has recommendations for mounting say the x2 I would love to hear what you have to say.
This video was very helpful. I've been considering the SLx 3x for an AK build. I generally love the RDS+magnifier set up, but AKs have inherant height-over-bore and cheek-weld issues when mounting optics. So a 3x prism sight that can be mounted low and have as good of an eye-box as the SLx 3x seems like the best match for an AK
;I'm at that age where my eyes are getting worse by the years, struggling with irons as close as 50yds, get eye fatigue much quicker these days, very frustrating. LVPOs are ok, bit looking at prisms as an alternative. Very informative video, I have builds that I could utilize each of these optics on, thinking on going middle ground & trying the 3x on a 16". Very much appreviate the video, & would appreciate anyone's input that has experience with any of these optics, especially barrel lengths & with what grain ammo(5.56) with the bdc's.
I got the pa 6x magnifier to use with the 1x, and it works.. it's clear.. but it makes the horseshoe fucking gigantic. Takes up like half your image.
Thank you for doing this. Iv been wanting either the 3x or 5x but recently saw the 3x in person and hated how tiny the etched reticle is in person. I can barely see the chevron. I hv 20/20 vision. So this shouldnt be the case. The 5x looks fantastic. Going to put it on my AR15 with a canted Red dot
Sold both of my Gen 1 1x because of the same issue with both. Both images looked de-magnified. Like almost .8 rather than 1x and neither would take a magnifier. But man I somehow want a 3x gen2 here
The SLX are supremely better in every way, 1x actually has a usable Chevron.
With the diopter in all the way the image is smaller than 1x.
Nice review. If you want to cowitness your iron sights, you have to go with the 1x.
Wait! Aren’t you a New Yorker? How can you have a friend who owns an AR? I thought Albany decided you people are too irresponsible to own AR’s.
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I love the 1x and 3x I have, but I just wish the eye relief would allow for use on more traditional rifles. the 3 or 5x would be awesome on a .22lr or 300blk bolt action, but the eye relief doesn't work out. I just grabbed a glx 2x to give it a shot and see if it will work out on my 300blk bolt action. Figured it would be a decent balance between a red dot and an l/mvpo
How close does one need to be with 3x? It should be 2.5'' but I've heard it is less.
@@onpsxmember on an AR15 the last few slots on the receiver. On my ar10, it has to be all the way back with the 1.41 mount. The taller mounts cantilever back a bit more so maybe a slot more forward. But there is no way in hell it has enough relief for a bolt action or more traditional rifle rail location.
I have used the GLX 2x on a bolt gun (7.62x39) and it’s a super handy package. Get a Pic rail for your rifle’s receiver, mount the prism all the way back, and you should be good. If you have a variable length of pull stock, remove the spacers, or if there’s a compact stock option for your rifle, go with that. Something around a 12” to 13” LOP should be perfect.
Ruger sells the American Ranch rifle in .350 Legend with a compact stock. Adorable little thing; weighs 6 lbs and is shorter than a yardstick. I am seriously considering getting one of those and trying a 7.62x39/ .300 BLK GLX prism on it. The ballistics should be pretty close (.350 Legend is a lot like .30-30) and with the detachable box mag, that strikes me as an epic truck gun. Hogs, close up whitetail, coyotes, whatever.
I think the SLX 3x prism (mentioned above) would be a tough one to mount properly on a bolt gun; eye relief will be the challenge. The 2x shines for that kind of project.
people make fun of how I can “over analyze” things, (and its true… I can many times to that to a fault) but you provide all the essential details my math mind craves lol. Thanks man… many subscribers in your future. I hope this brings you many new opportunities. Blessings to you in New York… (from CA).
Too many manufacturers. Too many choices. Too much hype. The market is saturated with mall ninjas creating bank for china. Rant over.
I really appreciate an intelligent, and very detailed explanation and of this particular red dot. Thank you!