@cenk.3467 It's Stormy Weather-, In chronological order, the first episode is Origins, but the actual first episode is Stormy Weather because is the pilot.
Easy fix, bring back Chat Noir’s hearing and night vision abilities in SS1 and let Adrien break up with Marinette. One word… TOXIC! Easier fix, just watch the movie.
I am sorry, but the girl literally broke into Adrien’s house three times, stalked him, followed him to Shanghai, knows his schedule for the next 3 years, stole his phone, plucked a strand of his hair, almost kissed him as a wax statue (despite not knowing at first, still creepy), sniffed his pillow, hated Kagami when Adrien went out with her, keeps him in the dark, and lied to his face about Gabriel being a hero. The only thing missing at this point is her becoming a control freak. If, you like Marinette that is fine, I just feel bad for Adrien, he deserves better imao.☺️
I think if he was the main character the show would be more depressing but I for one would love that. Marinette annoys me a lot, I still don't hate her but Adrien's life would make for a more mature cartoon which I'd love to see
The thing that puzzles me is why the fans didn't leave Miraculous after knowing that Adrian is a sentimonster. ??💔🤨He can die with the snap of a finger. And let's not forget his resemblance to Emily, as well as the angel costume that he wore, and the last thing is Thomas's great hatred for Adrian. When you search the Miraculous vote on the official sites, you will find that the Chat noir is the number one favorite 1 by the fans, and there is no one who hates him or publishes bad things about him, but Ladybug is ranked 6th, and there are many hate videos towards her, so why did they not leave the show? 🙂It is clear that its ending will be sad because when the writer hates a character, he dies.😭 I left the show after knowing that Adrien is a sentimonster and also the hints that You confirm his death in the end,😢 and yes, you are right, Adrien deserves the best and to be the main character.🤧 Miraculous views must decrease, and therefore the show will be canceled and rerun by another company that respects males and females🫂 and is able to make Adrien and Marinette the main characters 👏
i hated the sentimonster revelation because it removed most of the complexities and personal agency from the characters. It would be like finding out that Adrien was a robot this whole time. As for him being the MC, I concur that he is much more compelling and likeable than Marinette. However, much of what works so well about the series is the love-square. I think this show would work better if both Adrien and Cat Noir was equally as important as Marinette and Ladybug. I just think that the series is too lop-sided and imbalanced. I would fix that: balance it; make them both equally important.
Ya because they've butchered Marinette's character too tbh so making them equally important would prolly be the best writing decision. I also think making them equal would make their parallels (like how being a hero has taken away Marinette's freedom while giving Adrien freedom) more obvious. That was how it was in season 2 and I really liked that.
the night vision part was only used in the first epsode of season 1 and the bad luck part was one of the og.concepts back when Felix was the one to play the role of Chat Noir before they desided on Adrien and before they made Felix,Adrien*s cousin
Agreed! Adrien is way more interesting than Marrinette! Also yes! Sofia the First is great MC and better than Marinette because Sofia is actually kind and sweet to others and is not bias and choosing who to be kind to and who not to. She is kind to everyone.
Well it takes more than just Interesting backstory 1. He is unable to make everyday mistakes it's required for the mc of a children's show 2. His lifestyle doesn't work well with the show unlike Marinette who is usually doing something different all the time Adrien in most Episodes is in house 3. He being abused which isn't that appropriate to show children and his episodes usually have different tone to Marinette's So basically the only way to make him the lead is to rewrite him entirely and then he would not be the Adrien everyone loves although he be given more screentime tjough he does feel like a side chracter sometimes
Avatar the last airbender is also a kids show and the main character is faced with the genocide of his people (I think that's a bit darker than emotional abuse) and Zuko is physically abused by his father. The early seasons of winx club and my little pony also tackle some pretty mature themes and it works. I would actually argue that it's really important to teach children about abuse because it helps them identify when someone, including their parent, is doing it to them which will in turn help them know not to normalize that toxic behavior but to know that it is wrong. Aang makes everyday mistakes and he's even younger than Adrien is supposed to be but he is still the mc. So does Twighlight sparkle. I agree that it does take more than an interesting backstory but Adrien does do different things, he also has a double life just like Marinnette. They could make him the lead without rewriting him, it worked in season 2 when he had more of a focus. It's just that the writers have an agenda against him but tbh what I would really like is if they were genuinely equally important. Both should be main characters because both could be quite interesting if the writers wrote them better.
Writing for children rules change all the time so something like smoking for example would not be ok to show now but and not every episode can be like Gorizilla or Simon says theres a video and yeah Adrien is definitely the less Better written and the one that gets less development than Marinette who is still well written as a whloe despite her bad writing moments Heres a a fully detailed Video on why Miraculous is the way it is apart from bad writing m.th-cam.com/video/SvLsc1g8mHM/w-d-xo.html
@@Owell_Owl I mean yes but the only reason the standard of writing has changed is because Hollywood thinks that just because sth is written for children it can be written in the dumbest way possible but kids deserve well-thought-out writing too. Also, Marinette is not well written, they failed her too, she could have been but they messed that up.
@@Owell_Owl I don't think the writer's have any excuse for not writing miraculous in a better way. Because the movie was also for kids, but it was written well despite a few issues and it didn't let terrorists like Gabriel get away with their crimes.
The dictionary description of mary sue: a type of female character who is depicted as unrealistically lacking in flaws or weaknesses. Ladybug literally unlocks the secret to giving special powers to miraculous holders and creating magical charms because she believes in herself. Everybody loves her and the ones that don't are villains. She barely ever faces consequences even though she messes up so many times. She is the only one able to handle a ton of miraculouses at once and she is really powerful as ladybug despite the fact that the cat and ladybug miraculous are supposed to be equal in power. Look if you want to like the show I'm not going to stop you but I respectfully disagree. Marinette is a mary sue.
She gets them from the miraculous and once she loses them she is done for and not facing Conseqences does not make you a Mary sue Chloè,Lila and Tomoe faces little to no conseqences for their actions and they clearly aren't Mary sues and Marinette does face conseqences just not the ones you want her to face whenever she "stalks" Adrien because it's creepy she doesn't reach her goal it's only when she's herself then she is getting closer to him and Alya even calls her out on it and she stops with it Gabriel also managed to that she only managed to be weakened by mutiplying herself so only one individual of her was using 2 at a time
@@Owell_Owl Chloe, Lila, and Tomoe are villains, they are not the main character. It doesn't hurt the story that much if villains or side characters are overpowered and they barely face consequences (Apart from being a bit unsatisfying ) but it does if the main character is like that. Also, that's not true, everyone hates Chloe, she left Paris, her mom and dad don't love her, she doesn't get to be a miraculous holder anymore, and she's replaced by her half sister. Lila will get defeated eventually and I honestly don't know about Tomoe because I rage quit the show. No hard feelings tho, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
@@Owell_Owl 🤣🤣that's the thing. I don't wanna talk about her being Mary sue because nowadays, people just start calling almost anyone(ok not just anyone but still) a mary sue, so forget that. But the problem is they advertise it as a "kids show", make Marinette do weird things like stalking(and many other), and she doesn't face any consequences for those things. So basically, a "kids show" is actively encouraging that stalking your crush is a good thing and there is nothing wrong in doing those things. You said "She stalks Adrien to show children what not to do in life", but the show never depicts stalking as bad, so how are kids supposed to know that stalking is actually bad and people face consequences for it, when they are watching a superhero show where the MC actively stalks and no one criticizes her but some even encourage her. S show is showing "She stalks Adrien to show children what to do in life with their crush or whatever".
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He should be just as much of a mc as Marinette. Cuz he's a perfect cliffhanger character. His father is the main villain and he's not so ordinary.
Agreed 100%
Ditto!
Fun fact, cat noir once use night vision, I don't remember when, but he did.
first epsode of season 1
@@AbigailArmstrong-t5l No he used it in episode stormy weather
@@cenk.3467 stormy weather is the first episode, the pilot
@@floqzzz Origins Part 1 is the first episode.
@cenk.3467 It's Stormy Weather-, In chronological order, the first episode is Origins, but the actual first episode is Stormy Weather because is the pilot.
He is perfect, kind, handsome, friendly charming, an ideal person and modern prince. I have a lack of words to describe him
Easy fix, bring back Chat Noir’s hearing and night vision abilities in SS1 and let Adrien break up with Marinette.
One word… TOXIC!
Easier fix, just watch the movie.
How is it toxic?? 😂
@@salty_fishy9387yeahhh, I also think that sentence is a bit confusing
I am sorry, but the girl literally broke into Adrien’s house three times, stalked him, followed him to Shanghai, knows his schedule for the next 3 years, stole his phone, plucked a strand of his hair, almost kissed him as a wax statue (despite not knowing at first, still creepy), sniffed his pillow, hated Kagami when Adrien went out with her, keeps him in the dark, and lied to his face about Gabriel being a hero.
The only thing missing at this point is her becoming a control freak.
If, you like Marinette that is fine, I just feel bad for Adrien, he deserves better imao.☺️
I am talking about his relationship with Mari, not him as a character.👍
@n.abookgirl2457 oooh you meant that his relationship with marionette is toxic. I agree, I just didn't get what u meant
It could be fun to watch Chat Noir vs Chat Blanc. Adrien fighting his own alternative futureself🥰😁.
Bro was written to have 0 personality and he was SO forced to be the damsel in distress.
I think if he was the main character the show would be more depressing but I for one would love that. Marinette annoys me a lot, I still don't hate her but Adrien's life would make for a more mature cartoon which I'd love to see
Sameeee
The thing that puzzles me is why the fans didn't leave Miraculous after knowing that Adrian is a sentimonster. ??💔🤨He can die with the snap of a finger. And let's not forget his resemblance to Emily, as well as the angel costume that he wore, and the last thing is Thomas's great hatred for Adrian. When you search the Miraculous vote on the official sites, you will find that the Chat noir is the number one favorite 1 by the fans, and there is no one who hates him or publishes bad things about him, but Ladybug is ranked 6th, and there are many hate videos towards her, so why did they not leave the show? 🙂It is clear that its ending will be sad because when the writer hates a character, he dies.😭 I left the show after knowing that Adrien is a sentimonster and also the hints that You confirm his death in the end,😢 and yes, you are right, Adrien deserves the best and to be the main character.🤧 Miraculous views must decrease, and therefore the show will be canceled and rerun by another company that respects males and females🫂 and is able to make Adrien and Marinette the main characters 👏
Ya, the fans not dropping the show makes no sense, I dropped it after I watched the first episode of szn 4
dude create a AU where Cat Noir was the main character, That would be interesting
Yeah That’s a great idea
In my story, I try to give "screen time" to all the characters I made into heroes - Marinette, Adrien, Chloé, Zoé, Nino, Alya, Luka, and Kagami.
i hated the sentimonster revelation because it removed most of the complexities and personal agency from the characters. It would be like finding out that Adrien was a robot this whole time. As for him being the MC, I concur that he is much more compelling and likeable than Marinette. However, much of what works so well about the series is the love-square. I think this show would work better if both Adrien and Cat Noir was equally as important as Marinette and Ladybug. I just think that the series is too lop-sided and imbalanced. I would fix that: balance it; make them both equally important.
Ya because they've butchered Marinette's character too tbh so making them equally important would prolly be the best writing decision. I also think making them equal would make their parallels (like how being a hero has taken away Marinette's freedom while giving Adrien freedom) more obvious. That was how it was in season 2 and I really liked that.
I forgot to mention that I really miss Adrien's puns :(
Me too he barely made ANY in S5!
the night vision part was only used in the first epsode of season 1 and the bad luck part was one of the og.concepts back when Felix was the one to play the role of Chat Noir before they desided on Adrien and before they made Felix,Adrien*s cousin
that's interesting
Agreed! Adrien is way more interesting than Marrinette! Also yes! Sofia the First is great MC and better than Marinette because Sofia is actually kind and sweet to others and is not bias and choosing who to be kind to and who not to. She is kind to everyone.
Well it takes more than just Interesting backstory
1. He is unable to make everyday mistakes it's required for the mc of a children's show
2. His lifestyle doesn't work well with the show unlike Marinette who is usually doing something different all the time Adrien in most Episodes is in house
3. He being abused which isn't that appropriate to show children and his episodes usually have different tone to Marinette's
So basically the only way to make him the lead is to rewrite him entirely and then he would not be the Adrien everyone loves although he be given more screentime tjough he does feel like a side chracter sometimes
Avatar the last airbender is also a kids show and the main character is faced with the genocide of his people (I think that's a bit darker than emotional abuse) and Zuko is physically abused by his father. The early seasons of winx club and my little pony also tackle some pretty mature themes and it works. I would actually argue that it's really important to teach children about abuse because it helps them identify when someone, including their parent, is doing it to them which will in turn help them know not to normalize that toxic behavior but to know that it is wrong. Aang makes everyday mistakes and he's even younger than Adrien is supposed to be but he is still the mc. So does Twighlight sparkle. I agree that it does take more than an interesting backstory but Adrien does do different things, he also has a double life just like Marinnette. They could make him the lead without rewriting him, it worked in season 2 when he had more of a focus. It's just that the writers have an agenda against him but tbh what I would really like is if they were genuinely equally important. Both should be main characters because both could be quite interesting if the writers wrote them better.
Writing for children rules change all the time so something like smoking for example would not be ok to show now but and not every episode can be like Gorizilla or Simon says theres a video and yeah Adrien is definitely the less Better written and the one that gets less development than Marinette who is still well written as a whloe despite her bad writing moments
Heres a a fully detailed Video on why Miraculous is the way it is apart from bad writing
m.th-cam.com/video/SvLsc1g8mHM/w-d-xo.html
@@Owell_Owl I mean yes but the only reason the standard of writing has changed is because Hollywood thinks that just because sth is written for children it can be written in the dumbest way possible but kids deserve well-thought-out writing too. Also, Marinette is not well written, they failed her too, she could have been but they messed that up.
@@Owell_Owl I don't think the writer's have any excuse for not writing miraculous in a better way. Because the movie was also for kids, but it was written well despite a few issues and it didn't let terrorists like Gabriel get away with their crimes.
Sofia is a way better character than marinette
Way better!
FRR Sofia at least makes mistakes and She faces the consequences of her actions and at least she is not a creepy Stalker
Yes he definitely deserves more screen time 100% 💚💛
FRRR Ngl I feel like he is more important than Marinette
What do you guys think about the Adrien sentimonster storyline?
It's stupid and feels like a copout by the writers.
@@UnholyGrave834 fr
I never like it,at first when it was a theory was fine but make it canon absolutely not!
Marinette is not a Mary sue
The dictionary description of mary sue: a type of female character who is depicted as unrealistically lacking in flaws or weaknesses. Ladybug literally unlocks the secret to giving special powers to miraculous holders and creating magical charms because she believes in herself. Everybody loves her and the ones that don't are villains. She barely ever faces consequences even though she messes up so many times. She is the only one able to handle a ton of miraculouses at once and she is really powerful as ladybug despite the fact that the cat and ladybug miraculous are supposed to be equal in power. Look if you want to like the show I'm not going to stop you but I respectfully disagree. Marinette is a mary sue.
She gets them from the miraculous and once she loses them she is done for and not facing Conseqences does not make you a Mary sue Chloè,Lila and Tomoe faces little to no conseqences for their actions and they clearly aren't Mary sues and Marinette does face conseqences just not the ones you want her to face whenever she "stalks" Adrien because it's creepy she doesn't reach her goal it's only when she's herself then she is getting closer to him and Alya even calls her out on it and she stops with it Gabriel also managed to that she only managed to be weakened by mutiplying herself so only one individual of her was using 2 at a time
@@Owell_Owl Chloe, Lila, and Tomoe are villains, they are not the main character. It doesn't hurt the story that much if villains or side characters are overpowered and they barely face consequences (Apart from being a bit unsatisfying ) but it does if the main character is like that. Also, that's not true, everyone hates Chloe, she left Paris, her mom and dad don't love her, she doesn't get to be a miraculous holder anymore, and she's replaced by her half sister. Lila will get defeated eventually and I honestly don't know about Tomoe because I rage quit the show. No hard feelings tho, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
She "stalks" Adrien to show children what not to do in life
@@Owell_Owl 🤣🤣that's the thing. I don't wanna talk about her being Mary sue because nowadays, people just start calling almost anyone(ok not just anyone but still) a mary sue, so forget that. But the problem is they advertise it as a "kids show", make Marinette do weird things like stalking(and many other), and she doesn't face any consequences for those things. So basically, a "kids show" is actively encouraging that stalking your crush is a good thing and there is nothing wrong in doing those things. You said "She stalks Adrien to show children what not to do in life", but the show never depicts stalking as bad, so how are kids supposed to know that stalking is actually bad and people face consequences for it, when they are watching a superhero show where the MC actively stalks and no one criticizes her but some even encourage her. S show is showing "She stalks Adrien to show children what to do in life with their crush or whatever".