Clayton Kershaw's Prime Is Over. Let's Talk About It. | Baseball Bits
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In this episode of Baseball Bits, a Foolish Baseball production, I present my thesis that 2011-2017 was prime Clayton Kershaw. Prime Kershaw was certainly a sight to behold, and he compare him to other pitchers like prime Pedro Martinez. For my money, 2014 Clayton Kershaw was one of the greatest seasons ever.
I also talk about his slider. That nasty Clayton Kershaw slider really opened the floodgates for years of dominance.
We also talk about the best pitcher's of the 2010s -- namely Kershaw, Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, and Chris Sale. We compare the last three to peak Clayton Kershaw.
You'd think with a Clayton Kershaw MVP and three Clayton Kershaw Cy Young seasons that there'd be nothing left to play for in his career, but we're far from it. We have seen Clayton Kershaw playoffs struggles time and time again, so he'll have an incomplete legacy until he can circumvent his Clayton Kershaw playoff struggles and Clayton Kershaw playoff chokes. Will the Clayton Kershaw Dodgers get it done in 2019? We'll have to wait and find out.
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Screwups:
0:34 - the seasons are 2009 and 2010
2:29 - 4.8 BB/9 in '09, 3.6 in '10
My one take away from this video, giving up runs is for suckers
6 seasons of 100 IP under 1 WHIP
I forgive you b/c of a great vid AND dat FFVI intro music... I still get goosebumbs thinking of the Mechs drudging toward Narshe.
8:29 has Scherzer’s face instead of Kershaw’s
And Scherzer's eyes are the same color for some reason
It was Kershaw's favorite catcher AJ Ellis who said something to the effect, "when you carry a team like Clayton has, eventually your back is going to hurt."
That's a great quote. Thank you for sharing.
Yeah it wasn't until 2016 that he had a legitimate team behind him, and even then was the only true ace aside from the few years with Greinke. Combine that with questionable bullpens throughout and yeah his back was overdue
He never carried shit he’s aways was a bum in the playoffs
slither king Well, they probably wouldn’t have even been there in the first place if he hadn’t gotten the Dodgers so many wins and shutout baseball. Whatever though, he’s just a “bum.”
Its funny because he has a bad back
If your prime is over and have a 2.84 era than something is really special about you.
That pretty much sums it up.
Especially in this juiced ball era we're in now while having a 90 mph fastball
Probably because his prime isn't over. Nice video and all....but....
LA sees Kershaw not reliable in October anymore
@@garrettbraun it is over. But his prime was so damn good that he worsened/regressed from a hof pitcher into an all star pitcher, but he still has a hof career 💪
Came back to watch this after the Dodgers beat the Rays. Really happy Kershaw finally got his ring. Nobody's more deserving than him.
And he pitched very well in the Series, too! (2-0, 2.31 ERA, 14 K, 3 BB, etc.)
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@Luke’s Politics oh that’s fucked up
@Luke’s Politics Trout’s not overrated dude. He’s just on a wack ass team
@Luke’s Politics There is no way in hell Mike Trout is overrated. You must be living in a different dimension.
Kershaw: "I will simply throw the ball harder to get more outs."
Hendricks: "You fool."
Horrible comments
Real creative
Fan of TheBrand333 🧂🧂🧂
Two different types of pitchers. One an overwhelming power pitcher and the other is a highly intelligent crafty pitcher. Neither style is better than the other, it's just a matter of how well a pitcher executes that style.
@@Mr.Jtea3 ya these did not age well hes better than ever lol
>Clayton Kershaw's Prime Is Over.
You're gonna look like a fool when he puts up .82 ERA in his contract year
I just know this will happen now that I said it.
I didn't see the period at first and was very confused why 82 ERA meant he was still in his prime.
He’s planning to draft him in fantasy. He planned this jinx
@@FoolishBaseball Think you jumped the gun tbh
Kershaw’s career never had less than 2 ERA and Ryu, who’s a veteran for a 32 year old, is like your 60s Koufax.
Runs are for suckers and Kershaw is no sucker. It is scary how good he was. So good that his bad years get him into the All Star game.
Daniel Fisher same with Scherzer
He is pitching extremely well at the moment.
Daniel Fisher he's a sucker in October
Always a choker in the WS (1-3 in WS record)
It is interesting the Kenley Jansen is following the same pattern as Kershaw. He was nearly unhittable until last year and his velocity is also down some. Both may find their velocity and dominance again if they can stay healthy long enough.
Who’s here after Kershaw went 4-1 in the 2020 postseason
champ!!!
@@aidanargueta6042 not a real ring
@@aidanflynn2037sounds like angels fan
@@matmat6102 nah bro I don’t care about the Dodgers and I sure as hell don’t like the Angels. But how can a ring where you only play 60 games possibly be worth the same as the standard 162 game ring. You have to be delusional to count that
@@aidanflynn2037 if the MLB wants to count the cheating Asterisks ring then the Dodgers ring definitely counts
His ERA in 2022 was identical to the one he had in 2011, when he won his 1st Cy Young. True greatness.
What is up with him and the playoffs!? I don't get it. And I'm a cardinals fan.
i feel like scherzer should have the black eye in his portrait, maybe it's just me
That would have been classic!
You right
Scherzer has always looked like a dude who an hour earlier was drinking in a dive bar when three guys picked a fight with him, so he beat up two of them and the third ran away.
Or maybe that's just me.
He is like the Nate Diaz of pitching
And foaming at the mouth.
Every time I get a notification from this channel, it’s like Christmas morning. But I get baseball instead of socks.
Let me pitch you this: baseball socks.
Socks for Sluggers?
@@FoolishBaseball Red or white?
@@hiimemily I see what you did there.
Amen
"His prime is over"
- 2020 Kershaw: "Hold my gatorade"
who else is here after he got his ring
Damned cheating Astros robbed us of a Dodgers/Yankees World Series for the ages in 2017
@@bobmclennan1727 yankees woulda rolled them even without knowing what pitch was coming lmao, from one of the biggest yankee haters there is....
NoEphingIdea then you didn’t watch the 2017 season
Man if Lincecum and Kershaw got to face each other more at their primes, that would’ve been something special. The Giants Dodgers rivalry truly reborn through insane pitchers duels.
They were great headliners. Lincecum was one of my favorite pitchers to watch.
I'm a Dodgers fan but I always liked Timmy
@@FoolishBaseball He is my favourite by far. Can you do a video about his decline. It's really sad that his peak was so short.
@@rocknrallsoul94rockero4 I'm a Giants fan, but I always liked Kershaw.
@@jalexander2635 same gotta respect the fact he's actually good
In the past three seasons (2 1/2 since one was shortened) since you made this video, Clayton Kershaw in 52 starts, is 26-13 with a 2.68 ERA and a WHIP of 0.96, 230 strikeouts and 49 walks. Let's talk about THAT. So he went from being Legendary to JUST Truly Great.
It might sound crazy, but I think Kershaw only having 3 Cy Youngs is a travesty
He arguably should have won in 2012, and had a couple more taken away due to injury. He had the best peripherals in 2015. Could have easily won more during that seven year stretch.
@@FoolishBaseball Definitely 2012 he deserved it, I think it was just all the hype arount a knuckleballer like Dickey that made it a cooler story, otherwise I really think that was Kersh's. I would possibly argue that 2016 he was the best pitcher in baseball as well by most metrics, he just came about 10 or so innings short of meeting the qualifier marks because of his injury, but when he pitched he was by far and away the best pitcher to my (biased Dodger fan) eye.
2015 is tough because he was being compared to his own teammate who was having a historic year in Greinke and then of course Arrieta doing what he did in the 2nd half made their ERAs look pretty, and we weren't really as reliant as peripherals as we are now, so I can possibly let that one slide. 2017 I thought he had a shot, too, but I think Scherzer was the better pitcher that year. So I would say overall he definitely shoulda had one more, and you can possibly argue for 2 more on top of that
@Paul WT If you're talking about 2016, you really don't have much of an argument there if you look just at ERA - if it was based on ERA, Kershaw shoulda won that year with a 1.69 ERA, half a run lower than Hendricks, as you say. Kershaw even had a 0.725 WHIP, which is the lowest we'd seen in the NL in years.
Therefore, I personally think Kershaw shoulda won because he was the best pitcher, but he missed time due to injury so his innings were low, so I can see why Max won. Max was the better overall pitcher when you consider IP, WHIP, and Ks, even wins (though I don't really care about pitcher wins). Yeah he was team was worse, but in baseball individual awards have nothing to do with team success because you can be the best player of all time but have a shitty team. If anything, Max should be rewarded for being able to pitch so well with a worse team behind him
I think he should've beaten RA Dickey in the race but I guess the MLB wanted a feel good story
Scherzer should have the 2012 AL and the 2016 NL, that's all.
Who's here after Kershaw won the world series and dominated in the 2020 postseason?
A wise man once said “Allowing runs are for suckers” - Foolish Baseball
Great video
You don't wanna be a sucker.
I know
Sly old dog update. Kershaw is now 4-1 in 5 2020 starts. ERA down to 1.80. 33 K, 30 IP. 9.9 K/9 IP, 8.25 K:BB, WHIP is still dead sexy at 0.767, and his ERA+ is up to a Pedro Martinez-like 245.
His FIP is still high for Kershaw at 3.51, but it dropped nearly a half point from this last start. After one minor blip on his season, a loss against the Giants August 8th (at home), Kershaw has been the CK of old. His 4th won came against those same Giants-IN San Francisco. 6 IP of 4 hit shutout baseball. No walks, 4 k.
Batters have a .566 OPS against Kershaw in 2020.
His last three starts, CK is 3-0 with a 0.90 ERA. Opponents have hit .132 and OPSd .434 the last three games.
Da f___? Party like it’s 2014, Clayton. This crafty old vet is not done by any stretch of the imagination.
Young current with the times dog update. Kershaw choked again.
@@gotacallfromvishal Now he's starting in a critical game 6 of the world series against the Rays. By far the biggest start of his career, not doubt about it in my mind.
And now he’ll finally get that ring
He got the ring
Started the year 4-1, ended the year 4-1, holding the Commissioner's Trophy. Clayton Kershaw, World Series Champion.
His best years are gone and he’s still a very good pitcher. Legend!
Still has unfinished business too.
i became a dodgers fan because of kershaw. now i’m a kershaw fan because of the dodgers. we love you #22
He's the man!
BIG E!!!!!
Foolish Baseball yo foolish thanks for replying! always cool when bigger youtubers reply!
Buehler is something what Kershaw won’t: not choking the postseason
The Real Jay Stone yeah, i hope kershaw can redeem himself this october
I don't care what anybody says Clayton Kershaw is one of the biggest reasons I'm a proud Dodger fan
Amen homie!
I've been a proud Dodger fan since I could barely walk in the stadium with my gramps when Koufax was still pitching, but Kershaw's greatness is a beautiful thing to behold and sure brings a proud smile to my face.
LOL stay proud of your underachieving team.
@RonnyDonny13 look up Tom Glavine and John Smoltz era in three postseason
@RonnyDonny13 Ironic it's 2020, Kershaw is no longer the pitcher he used to be, yet he's already won 2 games in the World Series with a 2.31 ERA.
Kershaw: "I will simply throw the ball harder to get more outs."
deGrom: *takes notes*
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Just came here to post an appreciation for the music selection. Love Final Fantasy VI
Great OST
Foolish Baseball hasn't reached his prime yet.
Also, love that FF6 music!
This better not be my prime
I love the FF6 ost in the background
YES to the FF6 music and for knowing it as FF6 and not FF3!
@@jameskm03 how do people confuse it up lmao
"FF6" was originally released as FF3 on the SNES in the West during the period mid 90s (the Eastern FF2, 3 and 5 were skipped over, and Nintendo/Square weren't keen on confusing the populace of then what on Earth happened between FF4 and 6). In fact, re-releases of the SNES version of the game in the West still get the 'original-to-the-West' FF3 label and art, even though it is otherwise the sixth installment in the franchise (and known as such in the other regions that got 2, 3 and 5)..
Do a 1968 Bob Gibson video. That'd be fun to see your take on the single greatest season a pitcher has had in the modern era
Yes. I loved Bois coverage of it, wanna see foolish
I'm partial to Pedro in 1999 and 2000.
Foolish Baseball I’d agree only bc pedro played in the more modern era, and post mound height.
@@FoolishBaseball
Also, off-topic but I just found out about Will White's 1879 season when he pitched 680 innings in 80 games. He started, and finished 75 of those games. That's fun, I guess.
Foolish Baseball Pedro in 2000 I believe had the second best era+ of all time, behind a guy who only played 12 games in the season.
2020 WS CHAMPION WON 2 STARTS IN THE SERIES
1 was definitely deserved but the 2nd glasnow choked
WELL WELL WELL HOW THE TURNTABLES HAVE...
I have always preferred a good pitchers duel over a slugfest. If only Lincecum's prime would have been a little longer. Those duels would have been legendary.
Me too, Lincecum was the man and very fun to watch.
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@@FoolishBaseball you go buy yourself something nice. Then get back to work.
michael hall unless he’s buying an automated whip to make himself work faster, just back to work is good. Best baseball content going, outside of Effectively Wild.
This is like The Consumer Report of comments LOL I like it.
Why did he do that?
Because walks lead to runs
And runs are for suckers
AND CLAYTON KERSHAW IS NOT A SUCK-
- © Foolish Baseball 2019
NOT A SUCK*
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“PEDRO, PEDRO CALM DOWN THERE ARE CHILDREN WATCHING THIS SPORT!”
UPDATE: still good
6:49 then please do somethin about that Sherzer one! It's almost as terrifying as his face is IRL!
Bailey posted this video and then less than a year later the Dodgers won the world series with Kershaw playing a huge part. And then Kershaw had 4 more incredible seasons. sheesh
....2020 he did it!!!
I thought this video was going in a different direction based on the title, but I was pleasantly surprised. Thank you for putting his career in perspective. I find that often times we call players careers over when they are more in the twilight. If Kersh can produce 3-5 more productive seasons he is a sure-fire HOFer
I think he's a HOFer if he retired after 2017. Anything else he does is just gravy.
@@FoolishBaseball I don't quite know if he has the Koufax honor system of a short career - sure fire HOF
Even though I'm an Angels fan, this might be my favorite video of yours
It's probably just the FFVI music though
Hope people are coming back to this after watching the “perfect” game today.
HE FINALLY GOT ONE
My favorite fact about him is up to 2017/2018 he was 83-1 when give three runs or more. That is mind blowing.
HE'S GOT IT ALL NOW BABY!
Ar one time, when people would ask me who I thought the best pitcher i ever saw was (I was born in 1971), I automatically said, "Pedro Martinez."
I am not so sure I will still be saying that in a few years. Pedro's peak was unbelievable. But Kershaw is fast making an argument.
Kershaw got the back injury from carrying the team and that staff for 14 seasons..he had his low moments, but he definitely deserves more credit than he is given...I’m glad he finally got the last piece of accomplishment on his already Hall of Fame Career 💯..World Series champion 🏆
I'm a pirates fan, and I'd love to see something about RA Dickey similar to this. Or something. How in the world does he get so much pace on his knuckler, and where did he even come from?
Plus you get to watch some of his crazy pitches so I'm sure it'd be fun for you :)
Dickey's memoir is definitely worth reading
@@FoolishBaseball Ah so you already know about his wild past! His story is pretty wild, I should have known anything I know about baseball you know twice as well!
Keep up the great content man, and thanks for the reply! Everything you put out is awesome
Dickey is already prominently featured in that knuckleball doc.
@@lovelessissimo His story, sure. But not the analytics of knuckleballing, or what made him so great in 2012
Watch the doc Knuckleball. In it, he answers all of those questions. To summarize, Dickey was a power pitcher in college. He got drafted and during his physical, they found significant damage in his elbow. He messed around with a knuckleball during practice in college, so started to try to throw it in order to have a career since he was "damaged goods".
You’re so darn good at this. I’m a lifelong Dodger fan, and it’s been a pleasure to watch him (in the regular season mostly).
Great job. Excellent breakdowns and insight with stats to back it up. My favorite baseball channel.
I just discovered you today, watched all videos and loved every one. The mix of hard core analytics, humor and an approach of presenting the rational argument based on facts and not hype, click-bait and hyperbole has me subbed, belled, and waiting for your next video. Keep it up and don't lose your way when you get huge. It'll come if you keep delivering this quality of video.
I mean a decline year where you have an ERA+ of 196, ERA of 2.16, 0.84 WHIP, opponent OPS of 0.591, 9.57 K/9, 1.4 WAR (10 starts only) is pretty impressive 😍😍😍
He passed Koufax in strikeouts tonight and it brought a lot of haters out to cut him down. It's crazy to see people dismiss Kershaw, his career and accomplishments just because he hasn't won a ring yet. He still has a few years left and the Dodgers are set up to be contenders for all of them. He'll get his ring and maybe another to match. Hall of Fame is a lock and maybe even on the first ballot.
Not every legend won it all in their first try. Roger Clemens went 13 years between postseason wins, then turned around and won back to back World Series.
Its not because he hasnt won a ring its because hes the reason they never won a world series
I discount Koufax's career. He played 12 years, first 6 he was a bum. Only thing of note he did in that time was lead the NL in losses and wild pitches once each. Then he had 1 mediocre season with like 18 wins and a good amount of K's but also an ERA of like 3.90 os some shit. Then he went pitched like a legend for 5 years. Then he fucking retires at 30. I don't even think he belongs in the HOF. There's tons of other guys who had 5 or 6 amazing years then they had to quit cuz of an injury or their ability fell off and they've never been or won't ever be considered for the HOF.
@@unkledoda420 He certainly belongs in Cooperstown. Those 5, 6 years were as dominant as any pitcher in history, leading the NL in ERA for 5 straight years, WHIP under 1.0 (average), pitching all those complete games, winning 3 Cy's when baseball awarded only 1 per season (until 1967). Leo Durocher said if he had his choice of just 1 pitcher to win 1 important game, it'd be Koufax. Casey Stengel, who saw them all up to 1975, said Koufax was the best he's seen. Pete Rose batted .175 lifetime (1963-66) against Sandy. Name a pitcher who had *THAT* kind of dominance, and accomplishments (stats) who is not in Cooperstown?
He retired because of an arthritic elbow that doctors said if worsened could result in loss of arm. Watching him pitch from the center field camera, you can see why he had that injury.
I really needed this today. Thank you.
We need 1968 Bob Gibson, 1965 Koufax, 2018 deGrom, 2017 Scherzer and Randy Johnson
You can watch one of Gibson's World Series starts online and he just eviscerates everyone.
Screw all that. We need 2000 Pedro Martinez
Foolish Baseball Thank you so much for answering my prayers on that 99-00 Pedro vid. 🙏🏾
72 carlton 27 wins on a 56 win team 1.72 ers
Dude I love the videos so much!!!! And I'm not sure who else would know this but I love your usage of final fantasy music!!
You forgot to make Scherzer’s eye colors different!
No, he didn't. Look at the borders around his pupils.
Brother just wanted to let you know that I love your videos. You make them so unique and interesting and thats a gift to me. Thank you for your hard work for my entertainment.
These videos are just so good dude. Like so good. So glad i found this channel
The one thing I noticed: why didn’t Scherzer have a blue eye?
Tim LaDuca he did
One more thing: wheres his black eye
Can you do a video on how, despite the star lineup, miguel cabrera, victor martinez, justin verlander and max scherzer all on one team, the tigers haven't capitalized on 1 world series in the current era.
You are one classic baseball geek. Excellent job.
Your videos are actually amazing keep up the great work bro
What’s crazy is his fastball velocity is back up
Not only has he got that ring but this year he’s 7-3, 2.66 ERA, all star and 6-1 K/BB ratio with 84 to 14 total.
And thus after people were saying he’s “washed”
great vid! LOVED the picture of Sandy and Clayton shaking hands
there should be a stat called wps+ (war per season plus, the plus accounts for league average war)
Kershaw was definitely a sucker yesterday
CHAMP 🏆
This comment is just to post the day that Kershaw finally got his ring. 10/27/20 Dodgers win World Series with a monster performance from Kershaw in two games.
excellent video! I really enjoyed it.
Kershaw is a special player to me. As a teen, I was lucky enough to watch his debut against the Cardinals in '08. I was there when he hit that homerun against the Giants on opening day' 13. He's a special player, a first ballot hall of famer and the player I'll be talking about until I die.
Loved this video. I feel like people don’t realize how good Kershaw has been.
You're correct. It's like Mike Trout. They are so good, for so long, that they are just taken for granted. He may finish as the greatest pitcher of all time if his back holds up.
Always enjoy your videos. Keep up the great work.
Thank you for the kind words.
Yet again, a fantastic episode!!
He turned in one of his finest performances in his career this past season. The man has been in his prime since 2009.
Kershaw, you hate to love him or love to hate him. He’s carved up my giants plenty of times. A salute to the all time great.
Still loving baseball after watching my Dodgers win it this year... Favorite year ever for a Dodgers pitcher? 1988 Orel Hershiser... But some of Kershaw's years are up there...
Good job on the videos man
He’s getting his ring this year to cement his place in history
Who’s here after WS game one
Kershaw critics were silent after his game 1 performance.
Always love when you upload
Me too!
Good vid thx man I really appreciate it, much love from Cali👌
So I was wondering... Was Clayton's 2014 campaign the greatest by a pitcher since Bob Gibson's 1968?
The only other seasons that came to my mind were Randy Johnson's 2002, Pedro Martinez's 2000 and Maddux in 95
Insane that one of the best regular seasons ever and one of the best postseasons ever by a pitcher happened the same year.
I feel that even if his strikeouts decline later in his career, he'll still keep his ERA down. He's truly a living legend
every one of your videos is a lesson in both math and history! i love it.
Love the video dude!
You get a thumbs up for the classic final fantasy music.
Thank you!
Watching this on 10/10/19. I think Rendon and Soto wanted to comment...Ouch
loving the vids, dude! keep it up
Thank you!
More please, I love the vidoes
Foolish Baseball the type of guy to order a root beer instead of alcohol
Maybe a ginger ale if I'm feeling frisky
@@FoolishBaseball compromise: ginger beer
Lol
*Sounds like a good guy to me*
Who’s here after he got pulled from his perfect game today?
i love the information and how you deliver it and all but you using classic video game soundtracks is the icing on the cake
ffvi is one of my favorite games/soundtracks ever.
Watching this video right after Verlander's impossible inning, can't believe you hit me with Chrono Trigger and Terra's Theme back to back... Never subbed so fast in my life
HERE ATER HE JUST THREW 7 PERFECT INNINGS AND GOT TAKEN OUT
Currently laying on the beach and burning through my data to watch this. But it's worth it for baseball bits 👍
Make sure to watch in 1080p to really nuke your cell phone bill.
Foolish Baseball lol
This has more to do with recognition sincerely handed to him by us as fans than a roast of him. I like how you managed to say that without saying it, with lots of respect.
Thank you very much.
This is an absolutely phenomenal video, you strictly keep to the numbers and the numbers don't lie! He was the goat...and now he's the godfather to Buehler and Urias!
I'm from the future!! I'm here to say in regards to postseason Kershaw...nothing has changed!!!!
I'm here from the further further future, and Clayton Kershaw is on the defending World Series Champion Los Angeles Dodgers.
4-1 in the 2020 post season just saying
dude love your videos and the music you use!
Thank you, Tony Gonsolin
Watching this after he made it happen in the playoffs. So happy for him man. Legend.