@@GearGasms I tried today to run just analog pedals on both gain channels. There is just too much noise. I would love to use the Marshall amp tone, but it's a no go even with a Boss noise gate. I've had great success with a digitech RP200 which I'm discovering is a staple in my sound. I've been using them since the early 2000s since they came out. Awesome pedal by the way. That's my conclusion and it sounds awesome 🤘
@@GearGasms also in addition to the RP200, I'm running either a TS9 or mini 808 both tube screamers, an MXR classic distortion, Behringer Vintage tube screamer like pedal, MXR 10 band eq for a mid boost, Boss noise gate, and a cheap caline TS9/ts808 combo which is the Death overdrive. The Boss sd-1 sounds good but I ran out of room and it had to go🤣.
The majority of great marshall metal tones that you've heard in your life are boosted with an od. It's fairly common with any high gain amp even if it doesn't fart like a dsl. The "common" boost setting is gain at zero or very low, volume maxed and tone to taste. Tubescreamers work great for that but with marshalls, my favorite is the boss sd-1. A boosted dsl on lead 1 with the amp gain around 6-8 is an awesome high gain tone! Keep on rocking!
You guys ever found a noise gate necessary when using overdrive with these amps?? I'm considering getting one but don't want to deal with the excessive hum and fizz that comes with a modern metal type tone.
I'm a bit more dry in my approach, but your brand of humor made me chuckle a few times. From one TH-cam entertainer to another, rock on... and well done. :)
Green ultra gain channel on about 6 with an OD boost in the front works pretty good for me. I added an EQ pedal in the loop and a BBE mini sonic stomp pedal at the end of my pedal chain and the amp sounded great IMO. I don't use the red ultra gain channel at all. Like you said it's fizzy and unusable after about 5 on the gain knob. But I was like you, I bought the amp and figured it would sound awesome just plugging into the front with a guitar and no pedals.
With Mine I use the B0SS IR200 (I’m not gonna joke there’s a learning curve with this pedal) but one you learn. How to use IR patches it’s off the hook, otherwise my BOSS METALL II OD, and a chorus, flanger, phaser, if you want Eddie get you a El Dorado pedal and those last three pedals .
Put a replace the resistor in the power amp circuit with a real filter choke. That will remove alot of the AC noise that cause the fizz. Cheap mod is totally worth it.
I just got this amp used at a decent price. My story is exactly like yours and my thoughts on this amp is exactly like yours. Very much enjoyed this vid. New subscriber!
Played this amp through a 4x12 with a mooer ge200 with my metal tone loaded onto it and it was amazing. The amp chugs and the lows will blow you away. this guy does not know how to dial an amp in or work with what youve got. This amp plus a revv g3 would be insane. Do not sleep on the dsl 100
If you are putting a modeling platform preset in front of it you’re not hearing the Marshall character so much as you are your favorite Dsp tone into a big cab. Unplug the Mooer then come back here and school us. It’s a good amp
Glad I saw this video. I just got this amp and thought it was broken. My orange th30 doesn’t do this at all even with the gain dimed. Nor does it have a delay when switching channels like the Marshall does
I'd love to hear another comparison on sounds if you tightened up the bottom end by dropping the bass a bit, or by cranking the tone a bit more on your boost pedal as it all sounded a bit muddy to me. You'd get a much tighter and driven sound. I've got a TC Spark that I use as a booster through a friend's DSL100 and it sounds blisteringly good.
An SD1 will fix that right up . Any DSL should automatically come with an SD1 . One of the cheapest ODs you can get and the ultra gain or modern sounding channels really love the DS1 it cuts a lot of the mud out of the low end. Something like an OCD takes the classic gain channel to almost modded 800 tones, you can get some plexi vibes from the classic gain and some boost , for the money the DSL range is hard to beat if you want the Marshall sounds but like most amps they need some help. SD1 into Marshalls just work , check out Euge’d channel his main boost is a SD1 it’s cheap and most people looking at DS1 probably don’t have the budget for a JVM so that 40 dollar yellow box is the trick.
@@dektrimusic yes I believe so. I've tried many speakers too. This amp series does tend to sound fizzy from the beginning. But the Greenbacks somehow tame that fizz oddly.
@@dektrimusic I just installed 4 new Electro Harmonix EL34EH. MUCH tighter bass response, and eliminated any fizz. I'd say this is a very worthwhile upgrade for $130.
I Have a DSL40CR and use a MXR108s EQ...in the efx loop...it solve all the amps shared eq problems...The DSL efx loop is programmable...to any one of the 4 channels...the Marshall 4 button foot switch is also a must have.
That's a great comment - yeah I figured an EQ pedal might help but didn't think about it in the loop! Please say you'll subscribe if you are not already? We need your kind around here! It really helps the channel, so I thank you!
I have the 40cr as well..boss ge7 eq set for mid hump ...into a TS 9..set to boost..amp eq set all on noon.except the mids..I like them a little higher...and amp gain on red channel with the gain button pushed in and amp gain on like 3.5...it sound just killer!! Oh and a delay in the loop for 80s vibes🤘
i have dsl s, there is a trick to them, first never set the od channel above 5, turn up the master a little more and use either clean, or low gain pedals ,klon, sd-1, tubescreamers, also don t turn the equalizers past 2 oclock, it will muddy up, also watch the gain on classic channel, it does effect the gain on the lead channel
"man u sukk!" ok i was having the same prob my dslhr, till i read forums. the big tip is, u must run the channel volume all the way maxed. then add the gain sparingly, then dial up your master to desired level, adjust eq as required. thats the key to this whole amp!
With large high gain tube amps,ya gotta dial in a decent tone and then turn it up loud and then back off gain if needed to compensate from tubes getting hot and adding their own gain,warmth and compression. Dial in from there. But,yeah...for lower volumes in your bedroom or for recording...you gotta fix it.
There aren’t many pros that use any amp without a little boost to tighten up the low end and boost the mids. Also many amateur players expect to start with the volume down and the gain way up. Wrong. Too much gain on any amp leads to overly compressed mushy tone. Use your presence, back out the bass and increase the mids and highs. And back off the gain…… also the volume sweet spot on most high gain amps is at least 5. Or an attenuator. If you listen to your favorite guitar songs, you’ll find that they don’t actually have the gain that high, are mostly using the amps gain with an sd1 with the gain on the sd1 on about 2.
I played bass in a band with two guitarists using UK JCM 2000 Marshall DSL's. Those amps had some issues and were in the shop for repairs a lot because the circuit boards became conductive with age and heat and the tubes would have a runaway bias issue that ruined power tubes and trandsformers or something. Anyhow one guys amp was louder than the others for whatever reason. He would set his volume at 4 or 5 and the other guy set his volume to 6 or 7. They sounded like fire breathing demons. When they were at bedroom level they sounded thin, scooped, and fizzy bees in a can.
Oh another thing, this amp is not high gain. They tried to make it , but the gain is really useless at some point. It is only a a bit more gainy then a jcm800. Accept this will help a lot. Use the od1 only, keep gain maximum at 1 o clock and use boosts for more gain (with a bit of bass cut if possible, like a TS or od-1). Use resonance wisely. You will get a really good and defined tone, but it will not be ultra metal gain at all.
That’s kind of where I landed and like it. A super high gain thing is not my tone so much any way. I wouldn’t know what to do with an ultra metal tone, like a Diesel or 6505
Great video,I went through the same thing with my dsl 2000,I was thinking about going back to my processor pedal boards.lol Im going to give your recommendations a shot.
I’m getting ready to put a tube screamer in front of it for the first time this weekend! Let me know how it goes! Would love to have you subscribe if not already! Thanks!
Alan, there is no problem with the Marshall DSL100. If you know what you are doing, I have a full stack right next to my JCM. You would know to put the right guitar, the right pickups, and the right player, and it all works. Now, I do have 3 large pedalboards, from pedaltrain, loaded, and I can enhance, and perfect the tone to perfection. I love all of my Marshall's, Orange, Peavey, and Fender monsters I have at my disposal. In listening to you play through yours, you might want to look up on how to properly set up your 🪓 axe, and the amp. Pedals are wonderful, but you do not need a pedal to give you great sound. Thank you for the video and letting me expand forth.
You should be able to plug any guitar into that amp and it sound good. This bullshit with having to “fix” an amp with pedals is just that…..bullshit. Marshall has just got to where they are lacking in the quality of their shit.
@@rodneywhite2565 thats like saying anyone with a hammer can build something beautiful. Try dialing in a Mesa...lol. I have the 40watt dsl40cr version of this amp.....running it with HX Effects in 4CM....lol, 100% Marshall goodness. Definitely too much gain on tap when dimed. Someone suggest an EQ in the loop ffs.
Yeah I’ve been through the whole dialing in a Mesa thing! Amps sometimes need a little something in front, as I am learning! Would love to have you subscribe if not already! Thanks
I have a JCM800, a JCM900 and a DSL100H. Yes it's a fizz monster, no idea why they'd design it to sound that way. Unless having it sound like a glorious 1980's modded JCM800 roar would cut into the profits of the $3000 JCM800 reissues. The JCM900 isn't an 800 but it's closer, and if you use a tube screamer into the front end and an eq (and a gate is good too) in the loop it gets a heck of a lot closer, especially working the power stage hard. DSL100 is hopeless un less you get ALL the distortion from a really good pedal (Angry Charlie, etc.) and just use it as a clean tube power amp (but even the JCM800 used as a clean pedal platform has more mojo).
Great insight! Yeah I think I really like the Classic gain side and I’ll mess around more with the Ultra side and pedals. Glad it’s not just me that’s hearing this though!
Yeah I’ve found that gain on ultra no higher than 1pm or 6 out of 10, and a Tube Screamer- distortion on zero, level at near max gives me more of that Marshall thing!
My experiences with Marshall heads..... 2 o'clock on my jcm 800 was max volume without farting. As you turn the gain up you hit a little node it compresses. Set gain just before that spot. Now on that amp each section of gain stage (I believe its like 3 different levels) you have to set one to that spot with reference to where you have that bass shift set. I am rarely in ultra. I use a pedal to take me to that point (its probably like 10 more db gain without hunting a schematic. ) I don't have that head but I believe it to be similar to DSL 40. Remember 50 watts to 100 watts is about 6db. Not so big of a level jump as it is giving you more girth. I had a 9200 in my rack that shook the earth with a clean G chord.
Yeah girth is definitely a good description. I hate the wattage cut switches on this and on my Mark V. They gut the tone. And yes the ultra isn’t for me either. Great tips to try - would love to have you subscribe if not already! Thanks
The only high gain fix for this amp is to lower the living shite out of the pickups. Or a boost that cuts the low end. Lower until the low e palm mute chunk fart disappears. The thing about this amps its like the only amp you have to do this with. Virtually no other amp ive had was this sensitive to humbuckers. They just over power the front end of this amp too much. Unless youre going for that borderline fuzz thing. You can hear the amps on some Zeppelin songs break up the same way.
Pre-amp V1 tube swap. Easy 20$ for a JJ ECC823 from Eurotubes and it knocks the gain off the Ultra side only, making it way more tuneable/usable. The right speaker combo really tightens the bass too. This is the way.
AHAA, I found this video, you had me banging my head reliving my garage days. Here's the one I always heard, besides you suck, was PLAY SOME SKYNYRD!!!!... great video.
Had a dsl40 combo - hated it - sucked so bad I sold it within a month ish. Made a profit :) For me it has to be a jcm900 twin reverb - best sound I ever had from a stack by miles. I honestly don't get what anyone sees in those dsl's, but some people swear by them !
Yeah I think I was expecting more JCM out of this. But the newer R version is supposed to be a lot better. I do like it though and the price is good. Happy Friday brother!
i once tried the new dsl and as a jcm2000 player i must say: NO! The featues are cool. especially the second masgtervolume but the sound didnt made me wet
How strange 🤔 this is. I just recently got my first new Marshall head same one and my trusting beast also charvel model 5a. I have a MG 4×12 special edition white slant cab by Marshall.
@@GearGasms I have an old school crate g1200h head also and that is basically what I run thru into an ibanez 2×12 cab now I want to beef up the dsl to get that sound. Amerianise the Brit should I say. Lol
My dsl40 without any pedal sounds way better than this. I am using v30 speakers, and this is the most important thing. Speakers really change tone more than anything else.
@@GearGasms Creamback/Greenbacks are great if not instrumental as the amp is a bit modern and scooped depending on speakers. They fix that and they tighten up the bass you are dealing with so it's not sloppy anymore. There's some magic in this combo setup. As for settings, this is what you want for Classic rock stuff. Treble 6, Mids 7, Bass 1, Presence 5, Resonance 0....Classic Crunch Channel at Gain of 3, OD1 Gain at 4 or 5 depending on your guitar. If you want to play some Metal...keep the settings the same but roll the bass to 8 and click in the Tone Shift (assuming speaker fix is in)...then go to OD2 on gain 6-ish. It'll hit hard but be tighter and more responsive. The next fix for the "dimed gain" is you replace your V1 Pre-amp tube with a 20$ ECC823 tube from JJ (Eurotubes). It'll knock down the sloppy gain on the Ultra Gain side, but leave the Classic Gain side un-touched (it's a special tube only JJ makes). That, plus the Creambacks and your settings fix...will make this thing kickass. And be super, super versatile. Works for the DSL40CR too.
The EQ on this amp actually works, that's a first for Marshalls, use it. If raising the gain sags the sound, your volume is too low. Every volume and gain setting must be EQ'd, what is working at bedroom levels won't work at practice levels and that won't work for performance volume, there's no magic all around setting, this is an analog circuit not digital. The only issue to fix is precisely the need for unbearable volumes, that's universal for overpowered amps. 20w is the way to go for 21th century and even so, it's too much. You can, in order of importance: Use a treble booster Parametric EQ Boost the signal with an overdrive Use a resistance unit / power soak / attenuator whatever you call them. They're not absurdly expensive as they used to, I advice against them nonetheless, they defeat entirely the purpose of a highly powered amp and put the full stress on them making it a total waste of very expensive parts like tubes and transformers just to play without waking granny up. And last, using a distortion pedal. Switching between distortion pedals to fix an issue is running circles.
I have a DSL100HR head 2X12 Marshall Cabinet. I have to say, use a boost pedal and an EQ pedal. Also, kicking in a compressor pedal is a great trick. Really smooths out those leads. Run them through the effect loop. First the compressor, Boost pedal. Caline Boost pedal works great for this head, EQ pedal like the BOSS GE-7 I have. I have many other pedals as well in my effects like my Delay pedals and Reverb HOF II pedal. I also run a Moore 012 preamp pedal, and a looper. But the first 4 will do you well. Then I run a Chorus and Phase 90 Script pedal in the front. It rocks!
That's because that's not a real Marshall. Those are China made junk. You Can get some decent sounds out of those, but it's not like a UK made Marshall. Buy a old jcm2000 DSL and you will be much happier, especially the 50 watt.
I’ve never played a real ENGL but I love the sims of it I’ve tried! To be fair though, that’s a totally different beast. Would love to have you subscribe if not already! Thanks 🤘🏻
@@GearGasms wtf up with yt, I did subscribe, liked etc, did not register it..all good now, no criticism here, you have a Wonderfull yt channel, with you all the best, will be back of course lol, im into the dsl, king at a 20watt head with 1x12 but with a v30, they say the v30 sounds good lol better then the stock
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Nice. Thank you!
Like your tone, what eq amp settings are you using?
I’d have to look at the specific video because I twist the knobs all over the place on this as I’m still experimenting
@@GearGasms I tried today to run just analog pedals on both gain channels. There is just too much noise. I would love to use the Marshall amp tone, but it's a no go even with a Boss noise gate. I've had great success with a digitech RP200 which I'm discovering is a staple in my sound. I've been using them since the early 2000s since they came out. Awesome pedal by the way. That's my conclusion and it sounds awesome 🤘
@@GearGasms also in addition to the RP200, I'm running either a TS9 or mini 808 both tube screamers, an MXR classic distortion, Behringer Vintage tube screamer like pedal, MXR 10 band eq for a mid boost, Boss noise gate, and a cheap caline TS9/ts808 combo which is the Death overdrive. The Boss sd-1 sounds good but I ran out of room and it had to go🤣.
The majority of great marshall metal tones that you've heard in your life are boosted with an od. It's fairly common with any high gain amp even if it doesn't fart like a dsl.
The "common" boost setting is gain at zero or very low, volume maxed and tone to taste. Tubescreamers work great for that but with marshalls, my favorite is the boss sd-1. A boosted dsl on lead 1 with the amp gain around 6-8 is an awesome high gain tone! Keep on rocking!
Add an mxr 10 band eq in the loop to shape your tone even more and it's a monster.
Yeah that’s something I’m learning! Thanks for the info! Would love to have you subscribe if not already! Thanks!
Yup, my DSL40CR loves the boss BD-2 into SD-1 combination.
You guys ever found a noise gate necessary when using overdrive with these amps?? I'm considering getting one but don't want to deal with the excessive hum and fizz that comes with a modern metal type tone.
I don’t play it enough to justify one but I could see it being useful! Would love to have you subscribe if not already! Thanks!
I'm a bit more dry in my approach, but your brand of humor made me chuckle a few times. From one TH-cam entertainer to another, rock on... and well done. :)
Thanks so much! I will check out your channel!
Green ultra gain channel on about 6 with an OD boost in the front works pretty good for me. I added an EQ pedal in the loop and a BBE mini sonic stomp pedal at the end of my pedal chain and the amp sounded great IMO. I don't use the red ultra gain channel at all. Like you said it's fizzy and unusable after about 5 on the gain knob. But I was like you, I bought the amp and figured it would sound awesome just plugging into the front with a guitar and no pedals.
Yeah life is never as easy as we think! Great tips! Would love to have you subscribe if not already! Thanks
With Mine I use the B0SS IR200 (I’m not gonna joke there’s a learning curve with this pedal) but one you learn. How to use IR patches it’s off the hook, otherwise my BOSS METALL II OD, and a chorus, flanger, phaser, if you want Eddie get you a El Dorado pedal and those last three pedals .
Nice tips! Thank you!
Try a Wampler Tumnus for overdrive/boost, works well with my DSL.
Thanks!
I use a mxr FOD into the clean. And an mxr 10 band eq in the effects loop.
Yeah everyone says the MXR eq in the loop is a great tool! Thank you! Come hang out with us!
That transparent overdrive sounded pretty good 😉
It does! Some pedal company made that for me!
Put a replace the resistor in the power amp circuit with a real filter choke. That will remove alot of the AC noise that cause the fizz. Cheap mod is totally worth it.
I’ll have to check it out! Thanks!! Would love to have you subscribe if not already! 🤘🏻
I just got this amp used at a decent price.
My story is exactly like yours and my thoughts on this amp is exactly like yours.
Very much enjoyed this vid. New subscriber!
Thanks! Welcome to the family!
Oh my question is how to go into my Yamaha mc312 mixer so I can beef up the sound by dropping the mids etc?
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I would mess with the eq on the amp before I tried something like that or put a graphic eq in the loop
Thank you
Played this amp through a 4x12 with a mooer ge200 with my metal tone loaded onto it and it was amazing. The amp chugs and the lows will blow you away. this guy does not know how to dial an amp in or work with what youve got. This amp plus a revv g3 would be insane. Do not sleep on the dsl 100
th-cam.com/video/qT_o7zqPTmk/w-d-xo.html this is a perfect example
If you are putting a modeling platform preset in front of it you’re not hearing the Marshall character so much as you are your favorite Dsp tone into a big cab. Unplug the Mooer then come back here and school us. It’s a good amp
Glad I saw this video. I just got this amp and thought it was broken. My orange th30 doesn’t do this at all even with the gain dimed. Nor does it have a delay when switching channels like the Marshall does
Yeah I’m learning that much past 1pm isn’t great and it’s pedal time
I'd love to hear another comparison on sounds if you tightened up the bottom end by dropping the bass a bit, or by cranking the tone a bit more on your boost pedal as it all sounded a bit muddy to me. You'd get a much tighter and driven sound. I've got a TC Spark that I use as a booster through a friend's DSL100 and it sounds blisteringly good.
Yeah I think pedals are the way to go!
An SD1 will fix that right up . Any DSL should automatically come with an SD1 . One of the cheapest ODs you can get and the ultra gain or modern sounding channels really love the DS1 it cuts a lot of the mud out of the low end. Something like an OCD takes the classic gain channel to almost modded 800 tones, you can get some plexi vibes from the classic gain and some boost , for the money the DSL range is hard to beat if you want the Marshall sounds but like most amps they need some help. SD1 into Marshalls just work , check out Euge’d channel his main boost is a SD1 it’s cheap and most people looking at DS1 probably don’t have the budget for a JVM so that 40 dollar yellow box is the trick.
Great tip and will do! Would love to have you subscribe if not already! Thanks
Good video! Did this one get copyright claimed cause you played 2 seconds of skid Rowe?
Nope - sloppy enough to sneak it through! Sebastian Bach’s first wife did comment on my Worst Rock Wives video a couple of weeks ago. That was odd! 😜
I'm using mine with 4 Celestion Greenbacks, and it's pure rock n roll bliss. Using the same amp with g12t-75s and it's pure poopy.
Interesting!
Glad to hear that, my DSL100HR has arrive, but I’m still waiting my 1960AX with greenbacks. After lots of reviews, it seems that “this is the way” ☺️
@@dektrimusic yes I believe so. I've tried many speakers too. This amp series does tend to sound fizzy from the beginning. But the Greenbacks somehow tame that fizz oddly.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this!
@@dektrimusic I just installed 4 new Electro Harmonix EL34EH. MUCH tighter bass response, and eliminated any fizz. I'd say this is a very worthwhile upgrade for $130.
Leave master volumes on.10 and just use channel volumes for your overall volume, no more fizz
Sage advice!
I Have a DSL40CR and use a MXR108s EQ...in the efx loop...it solve all the amps shared eq problems...The DSL efx loop is programmable...to any one of the 4 channels...the Marshall 4 button foot switch is also a must have.
That's a great comment - yeah I figured an EQ pedal might help but didn't think about it in the loop! Please say you'll subscribe if you are not already? We need your kind around here! It really helps the channel, so I thank you!
@@GearGasms I am subscibed ..love your take on things
I have the 40cr as well..boss ge7 eq set for mid hump ...into a TS 9..set to boost..amp eq set all on noon.except the mids..I like them a little higher...and amp gain on red channel with the gain button pushed in and amp gain on like 3.5...it sound just killer!! Oh and a delay in the loop for 80s vibes🤘
I’ll try that! Thanks Jeff!
I love these reviews 👍👍👍
Thanks RG!
i have dsl s, there is a trick to them, first never set the od channel above 5, turn up the master a little more and use either clean, or low gain pedals ,klon, sd-1, tubescreamers, also don t turn the equalizers past 2 oclock, it will muddy up, also watch the gain on classic channel, it does effect the gain on the lead channel
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Can someone pleaseeeee tell me what that white pedal with the blue knobs is called @geargasms
It’s the Vexx Audi Bluebear Overdrive th-cam.com/video/6cuJEY888JA/w-d-xo.html
@@GearGasms THANKSSSS
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"man u sukk!"
ok i was having the same prob my dslhr, till i read forums.
the big tip is, u must run the channel volume all the way maxed. then add the gain sparingly, then dial up your master to desired level, adjust eq as required. thats the key to this whole amp!
Nice tip! Thank you for that!
With large high gain tube amps,ya gotta dial in a decent tone and then turn it up loud and then back off gain if needed to compensate from tubes getting hot and adding their own gain,warmth and compression. Dial in from there. But,yeah...for lower volumes in your bedroom or for recording...you gotta fix it.
Great tip!
There aren’t many pros that use any amp without a little boost to tighten up the low end and boost the mids. Also many amateur players expect to start with the volume down and the gain way up. Wrong. Too much gain on any amp leads to overly compressed mushy tone. Use your presence, back out the bass and increase the mids and highs. And back off the gain…… also the volume sweet spot on most high gain amps is at least 5. Or an attenuator. If you listen to your favorite guitar songs, you’ll find that they don’t actually have the gain that high, are mostly using the amps gain with an sd1 with the gain on the sd1 on about 2.
That’s something that using modeling doesn’t teach us for sure!
I played bass in a band with two guitarists using UK JCM 2000 Marshall DSL's. Those amps had some issues and were in the shop for repairs a lot because the circuit boards became conductive with age and heat and the tubes would have a runaway bias issue that ruined power tubes and trandsformers or something. Anyhow one guys amp was louder than the others for whatever reason. He would set his volume at 4 or 5 and the other guy set his volume to 6 or 7. They sounded like fire breathing demons. When they were at bedroom level they sounded thin, scooped, and fizzy bees in a can.
Oh yeah- for sure opening these up volume wise reduces the fizz. Would love to have you subscribe if not already!
Less gain - more od - makes it snappier 😉👉✨ ( I couldn't turn my gain up past 4 before it started farting out - was pretty crunchy right before that)
Yeah I’m learning that about this amp
You're not allowed to run an overdrive across a Marshall without adding a Boss GE-7 EQ. That's federal law (or it should be).
Lol I’ll check it out
Oh another thing, this amp is not high gain. They tried to make it , but the gain is really useless at some point. It is only a a bit more gainy then a jcm800. Accept this will help a lot. Use the od1 only, keep gain maximum at 1 o clock and use boosts for more gain (with a bit of bass cut if possible, like a TS or od-1). Use resonance wisely. You will get a really good and defined tone, but it will not be ultra metal gain at all.
That’s kind of where I landed and like it. A super high gain thing is not my tone so much any way. I wouldn’t know what to do with an ultra metal tone, like a Diesel or 6505
I’m no help on this one. I don’t own a Marshall and since I can’t play worth shit, I’m guessing I never will. Rock on Alan!
I have one and I can’t play so no excuses!
Great video,I went through the same thing with my dsl 2000,I was thinking about going back to my processor pedal boards.lol Im going to give your recommendations a shot.
I’m getting ready to put a tube screamer in front of it for the first time this weekend! Let me know how it goes! Would love to have you subscribe if not already! Thanks!
Very entertaining you made me laugh, and I’m trying your advice on my DSL 40CR it sounds exactly the same as the DSL 100 fluffy and fizzy on full gain
They say run it no hotter than 1pm on the gain and then put a boost in front
@@GearGasms thanks for you help.
The fizz doesn’t bother me, but the low end farting out with the gain high up does.
Yeah it’s not known for bottom end tightness. As filthy as that sounds lol. Would love to have you subscribe if not already! Thanks
The pedals to solve the problem and tigthen it up, are the 'mudkiller' or 'friedman buxomboost'.
Thanks for the tip!
Alan, there is no problem with the Marshall DSL100. If you know what you are doing, I have a full stack right next to my JCM. You would know to put the right guitar, the right pickups, and the right player, and it all works. Now, I do have 3 large pedalboards, from pedaltrain, loaded, and I can enhance, and perfect the tone to perfection. I love all of my Marshall's, Orange, Peavey, and Fender monsters I have at my disposal. In listening to you play through yours, you might want to look up on how to properly set up your 🪓 axe, and the amp. Pedals are wonderful, but you do not need a pedal to give you great sound. Thank you for the video and letting me expand forth.
Thanks Mike!
You should be able to plug any guitar into that amp and it sound good. This bullshit with having to “fix” an amp with pedals is just that…..bullshit. Marshall has just got to where they are lacking in the quality of their shit.
@@rodneywhite2565 thats like saying anyone with a hammer can build something beautiful. Try dialing in a Mesa...lol.
I have the 40watt dsl40cr version of this amp.....running it with HX Effects in 4CM....lol, 100% Marshall goodness. Definitely too much gain on tap when dimed.
Someone suggest an EQ in the loop ffs.
Yeah I’ve been through the whole dialing in a Mesa thing! Amps sometimes need a little something in front, as I am learning! Would love to have you subscribe if not already! Thanks
Can you jump the channels on the DSL? I use the wampler belle which is their take on the Nobles ODR 1 to deal with farty Amps Great video Alan
Thanks George! No there’s only one input but yeah pedals seem to be the answer. That or sell it lol
@@GearGasms we can put a band together and tour with it Keep it lol
I have a JCM800, a JCM900 and a DSL100H. Yes it's a fizz monster, no idea why they'd design it to sound that way. Unless having it sound like a glorious 1980's modded JCM800 roar would cut into the profits of the $3000 JCM800 reissues. The JCM900 isn't an 800 but it's closer, and if you use a tube screamer into the front end and an eq (and a gate is good too) in the loop it gets a heck of a lot closer, especially working the power stage hard. DSL100 is hopeless un less you get ALL the distortion from a really good pedal (Angry Charlie, etc.) and just use it as a clean tube power amp (but even the JCM800 used as a clean pedal platform has more mojo).
Great insight! Yeah I think I really like the Classic gain side and I’ll mess around more with the Ultra side and pedals. Glad it’s not just me that’s hearing this though!
I just got the dsl100hr and cab bundle
And agree. Its not giving me what I expected.
Yeah I’ve found that gain on ultra no higher than 1pm or 6 out of 10, and a Tube Screamer- distortion on zero, level at near max gives me more of that Marshall thing!
My experiences with Marshall heads..... 2 o'clock on my jcm 800 was max volume without farting. As you turn the gain up you hit a little node it compresses. Set gain just before that spot. Now on that amp each section of gain stage (I believe its like 3 different levels) you have to set one to that spot with reference to where you have that bass shift set. I am rarely in ultra. I use a pedal to take me to that point (its probably like 10 more db gain without hunting a schematic. ) I don't have that head but I believe it to be similar to DSL 40. Remember 50 watts to 100 watts is about 6db. Not so big of a level jump as it is giving you more girth. I had a 9200 in my rack that shook the earth with a clean G chord.
Yeah girth is definitely a good description. I hate the wattage cut switches on this and on my Mark V. They gut the tone. And yes the ultra isn’t for me either. Great tips to try - would love to have you subscribe if not already! Thanks
@@GearGasms yeah, not sure how they are lowering the power. I would estimate it cuts off or changes voltage on some grids within the output tubes.
They drop a leg on the power tubes I think
The fart sound on the dsl is real. Im sure theres some internal part you could swap to cut that low end fart on the low string.
Is this the HR version ?
It is not. Is that what you have? Would love to have you subscribe if not already! 🎸🤘🏻
@@GearGasms actually I'm looking to get one. They say that in the Hr version they had fixed this issues
Yeah everyone seems to think that one is better. Prices sure have gone up though! Ouch!
I personally like OD1 pushed with a TS best.
Yeah I think that’s where I’m headed! Happy Friday Alex!
The only high gain fix for this amp is to lower the living shite out of the pickups. Or a boost that cuts the low end. Lower until the low e palm mute chunk fart disappears. The thing about this amps its like the only amp you have to do this with. Virtually no other amp ive had was this sensitive to humbuckers. They just over power the front end of this amp too much. Unless youre going for that borderline fuzz thing. You can hear the amps on some Zeppelin songs break up the same way.
Cool tips for me to try thanks!
Pre-amp V1 tube swap. Easy 20$ for a JJ ECC823 from Eurotubes and it knocks the gain off the Ultra side only, making it way more tuneable/usable. The right speaker combo really tightens the bass too. This is the way.
AHAA, I found this video, you had me banging my head reliving my garage days. Here's the one I always heard, besides you suck, was PLAY SOME SKYNYRD!!!!... great video.
Thanks Sam!
@@GearGasms you haven't really lived the Rock and Roll dream untill, you've played behind chicken wire in Bakersfield or Fresno....
Had a dsl40 combo - hated it - sucked so bad I sold it within a month ish. Made a profit :) For me it has to be a jcm900 twin reverb - best sound I ever had from a stack by miles. I honestly don't get what anyone sees in those dsl's, but some people swear by them !
Yeah I think I was expecting more JCM out of this. But the newer R version is supposed to be a lot better. I do like it though and the price is good. Happy Friday brother!
Maybe in a few more years you'll appreciate the dsl series, I love them after 30 + years playing.
Marshall should go back to using 5881 tubes.
🤘🏻What do they use now?
@@GearGasms el34
Interesting- I thought so! I thought everybody thinks the el34 is the ultimate big iron power tube for a Marshall?
i once tried the new dsl and as a jcm2000 player i must say: NO! The featues are cool. especially the second masgtervolume but the sound didnt made me wet
Yeah I’m not sure it scratches that Marshall itch entirely. Would love to have you subscribe if not already! Thanks
How strange 🤔 this is. I just recently got my first new Marshall head same one and my trusting beast also charvel model 5a. I have a MG 4×12 special edition white slant cab by Marshall.
Sounds like a killer rig!
@@GearGasms I have an old school crate g1200h head also and that is basically what I run thru into an ibanez 2×12 cab now I want to beef up the dsl to get that sound. Amerianise the Brit should I say. Lol
How are the San Dimas model guitars 🎸 vs like a model 5a or 6 or 2? Are they neck thru ? Sorry for all the questions 😅 I know your buisy.
Killer!
They are my favorite modern shredder. They are bolt on and top notch in every way! I have two videos on mine if you look on my videos
My dsl40 without any pedal sounds way better than this. I am using v30 speakers, and this is the most important thing. Speakers really change tone more than anything else.
Factor in that I may not have it dialed in right and my poor playing or even perhaps my micing technique.
I use a Friedman Steve Stevens 4x12 with V30s and greenbacks and it’s literally the best of both worlds.
Yeah a lot more people are getting into mixing speakers in the same cabinet. It’s a great idea!
@@GearGasms Creamback/Greenbacks are great if not instrumental as the amp is a bit modern and scooped depending on speakers. They fix that and they tighten up the bass you are dealing with so it's not sloppy anymore. There's some magic in this combo setup.
As for settings, this is what you want for Classic rock stuff.
Treble 6, Mids 7, Bass 1, Presence 5, Resonance 0....Classic Crunch Channel at Gain of 3, OD1 Gain at 4 or 5 depending on your guitar. If you want to play some Metal...keep the settings the same but roll the bass to 8 and click in the Tone Shift (assuming speaker fix is in)...then go to OD2 on gain 6-ish. It'll hit hard but be tighter and more responsive.
The next fix for the "dimed gain" is you replace your V1 Pre-amp tube with a 20$ ECC823 tube from JJ (Eurotubes). It'll knock down the sloppy gain on the Ultra Gain side, but leave the Classic Gain side un-touched (it's a special tube only JJ makes). That, plus the Creambacks and your settings fix...will make this thing kickass. And be super, super versatile. Works for the DSL40CR too.
Nice setup tips!
The EQ on this amp actually works, that's a first for Marshalls, use it.
If raising the gain sags the sound, your volume is too low.
Every volume and gain setting must be EQ'd, what is working at bedroom levels won't work at practice levels and that won't work for performance volume, there's no magic all around setting, this is an analog circuit not digital.
The only issue to fix is precisely the need for unbearable volumes, that's universal for overpowered amps. 20w is the way to go for 21th century and even so, it's too much.
You can, in order of importance:
Use a treble booster
Parametric EQ
Boost the signal with an overdrive
Use a resistance unit / power soak / attenuator whatever you call them. They're not absurdly expensive as they used to, I advice against them nonetheless, they defeat entirely the purpose of a highly powered amp and put the full stress on them making it a total waste of very expensive parts like tubes and transformers just to play without waking granny up.
And last, using a distortion pedal.
Switching between distortion pedals to fix an issue is running circles.
This is a great, great post! Thanks so much for that level of detail!
I have a DSL100HR head 2X12 Marshall Cabinet. I have to say, use a boost pedal and an EQ pedal. Also, kicking in a compressor pedal is a great trick. Really smooths out those leads. Run them through the effect loop. First the compressor, Boost pedal. Caline Boost pedal works great for this head, EQ pedal like the BOSS GE-7 I have. I have many other pedals as well in my effects like my Delay pedals and Reverb HOF II pedal. I also run a Moore 012 preamp pedal, and a looper. But the first 4 will do you well. Then I run a Chorus and Phase 90 Script pedal in the front. It rocks!
Sounds like an amazing setup! Would love to have you subscribe if not already! Thanks!
I am watching can you please get a little more serious ,instead of all the jokes I'm looking for instruction, and it's distracting .
Then this channel is not for you. There is no instruction here. Don’t tell people how to make videos. You are not my boss. No one is
Kia Soul??? You ain’t got no 10 year 100000 note warranty!
Your a Saturn at best, by that I mean a different kinda person 🤣
Happy new year Alan hope your and fam are happy and healthy 🤘🏽
Truth! lol
You too Poo! We're all doing okay at the moment, except for the snow!
That's because that's not a real Marshall. Those are China made junk. You Can get some decent sounds out of those, but it's not like a UK made Marshall. Buy a old jcm2000 DSL and you will be much happier, especially the 50 watt.
It’s Vietnamese made junk if we want to get technical about it lol
This amp kinda sucks. I wanna sell mine and get an Engl soon. Marshall blows
I’ve never played a real ENGL but I love the sims of it I’ve tried! To be fair though, that’s a totally different beast. Would love to have you subscribe if not already! Thanks 🤘🏻
6:28 wut
single coils suck on Marshalls, because they use asymmetrical clipping schemes, fool!
Lol - well thanks to you I’m a fool no mo!
@@GearGasms well...im a fat lip, now that ive watched the whole video, its great lol so im the fool
No that’s okay! My channel is still improving so I gladly take any and all valid criticism! Would love to have you subscribe if not already! Thanks
@@GearGasms wtf up with yt, I did subscribe, liked etc, did not register it..all good now, no criticism here, you have a Wonderfull yt channel, with you all the best, will be back of course lol, im into the dsl, king at a 20watt head with 1x12 but with a v30, they say the v30 sounds good lol better then the stock
Are you using the 1960A angled lead? Thanks for reply ahead of time. Great stuff on this TH-cam channel 👏 👍
Thank you! It’s the 1960A