What about an Enduro Hardtail? 😊 Ragley Big Wig and others 😎 just came back from a club ride with 8 hours and 70km. So definitely also good for all day riding 😍
I bought last year after 20 years on HT first full. Ill never go back. IT so much better in every way. Even clibming is better, because I dont have to worry about unloading rear wheel in technical climb.
I love my hardtail, a Giant Fathom 1 with 27.5" front and back. Can take it to the dirt jump park, pump track and flow trails. My full sus ebike only feels good on rough trails and sketchy downhills.
As someone who's more of an XC and gravel rider and who doesn't like steep and rocky terrain, hardtail or short travel FS for me. You'll never find me on an Enduro rig
People got oversold on enduro type bikes, that's why everyone and his mom are selling them on marketplace, I even suspect some newcomers abandoned their good intentions of 2020-22 not helped by an intimidating 38 lbs bike with tires who need 1000w just to keep rolling 😂
Mid-travel trail, Banshee Prime, with 135 is my next bike. Lobe my steel SS hard tail but it is beating the heck out of me on the rooty downhills where I live.
Hardtail works for me for now, theres some trails that are too steep/fast/rough that I've done that I probably wont do again because of how unstable it becomes unless I drag the brakes the whole way down. But, It allows me to afford my BMX, DirtJumper, lots of guitars, Car insurance and a Car all on a Grocery Store Clerk's wage. Remember to return your Shopping Buggies/Trollies back in the corral's as it allows us to keep stock the shelves better instead of wandering the parkinglot recording buggies from parking stalls, curbs, ditches, blocking the exit door of the store, etc. It really does take away from the actual job when people just leave them anywhere, and the one I work at doesnt have the coin operated locks so customers tend to create an obstacle course just outside the exit and interdock the large and small buggies which dont actually fit together. Soooo much oversharing, LOL Cheers from BC, Canada.
All my local grocery stores have a "buggy employee" someone who gets paid to just retrieve buggies 😁 But we still "suppose" to return in buggy return sections.
@@mikeburgh3956 I've only heard of that being at much larger stores and even then they usually have the coin operated lock which allows buggies to be linked together for much easier transport as well. As it is, I can only steer around 6 at a time, arms are only so long. It wouldnt be a problem if that was the dedicated job, but really its cheaper for the store to just install the coin locks, as buggies are pretty expensive and we have a huge homeless population in the city I'm in BC, Canada, we lose alot of buggies but our store still hasnt gone the locking route, most of the surrounding stores have though. Cheers for the comments about buggies haha.
@@episodesglow I do too even if theres no coin thingy although our walmart recently got coin locks and if you park and spot a stray buggy thats a dollar in your pocket, so thats fun.
The full sus is so much more comfy, but lots of people forget that a hardtail can ride 90% of everything a FS can. I’ve been riding a $500 hardtail in the Rockies for 2 years now and yeah, even though it’s taken some beatings, I’ve still ridden everything I’ve come across. It does rattle your bones though.
You’ll never stop me riding a hardtail… they’re beautiful looking machines that do everything you need to do, you can’t beat them. Stick some bigger tyres on it and some decent front forks and you can tackle anything. Gotta love a hardtail…
I guess he can’t climb for some reason with Laufey 😂 it is all marketing. U can do with Hardtail whatever you want. Listen yourself or look on better reviews. Cheers
@@gmbn downgraded as it happens from a full suspension Evil but due to family commitments it was just not getting used to its full potential. So now it’s a Trek marlin 8 gen 3. Upgraded forks fox 32. SRAM brakes and full cockpit change. Have to be honest I love it. Geometry is just want I need cost minimal to maintain and money in my back burner selling the evil for my family
Great and informative video. I have a Trek Marlin 7 hard tail and I love it. I don’t ride heavy terrain or do jumps or drops over a few feet, so the hard tail fits me perfectly.
I don’t do highly technical stuff. I just ride on rough off road conditions. I use a hard tail with 3x7 gears, a suspension fork, and nothing special. I don’t need the complicated full suspension of enduro. In fact someday I might get rid of the air fork to increase simplicity.
I'm so glad to see you riding my local trails! I ride that trail on a hardcore hardtail, a Kona Honzo ESD. The modern long, low and slack geometry is really helpful on those sections, and knowing that the full trail is only 30 kilometers long, riding it on a hardtail isn't such a crazy idea. Very nice to see you in the Basque Country! Hardcore Hardtails and clipless pedals FTW!
I got a cheap full sus, my hardtail is deffo a better spec but I love them both , I send the full sus harder but use the hardtail more as it’s cheaper and less hassle to maintain
i love my hardtail to death, and definitely ride things i shouldn’t on it. sadly i am probably gonna sell for a FS trail bike just to keep from beating my bike and body up as much, especially since i’ll be using my bike for work this year. i like steep chunky tech too much 😢 but a hardtail homie can’t lose 💯
1 Horse for many courses clearly has to be the most balanced bike, which has to be either an all mountain or trail bike.. Lighter and more comfortable to climb with than an enduro... To me at least an enduro is really a downhill bike with the after thought of throwing in some climbing ability to make it sit somwhere in the middle between trail and downhill.. But if were genuinely talking a 50/50 split between climbing and decending then its all mountain/trial bike imo..
An rear suspension must always be checked,pression etc, some psi more or less makes it an horrible ride....... So my suggestion: You can ride everything on a hardtail if speed is not the only thing. Hardtails for ever!!!!!❤
I mean, you have to perform these same procedures on the hardtail as well, so if you're going to be checking or setting up the fork anyway, it only takes a couple of extra seconds to check the rear shock. Additionally, when there is only front suspension, a change in pressure is much more noticeable and detrimental.
Go for the middle, 150/140 trail bike. Just a flip of the switch and the rear is hard enough. #GMBN Lets see a Super Enduro vs DH for gravity riding. We know the Super is more versatile over all, but can it perform well enough in the down to replace a DH?
Lucky to have both, but might sell them for a 2nd hand emtb full sus having ridden my first one recently. Specialized levo something or other, it ticked all the boxes for me, apart from the price!
For me it would be a compromise. 120mm front and rear xc bike with lockout and dropper posts. Best of both worlds. Good enough for anything for an amateur like me.
Coming back to the Hardtail is so crucial to keeping ALL SORTS of riders involved here. I dare say we all enjoy surfing the tidal wave of "new, fast, light, long..." forms of MTB tech & bling. But the majority of us join this adventure on a Hardtail, and a great many keep right on rolling on one. It's all about showing up for the ride!😊
Blake and Rich cheers guys for a great vlog,im lucky enough to have one of each so i cant complain.Both great bikes depending on what your riding.Keep up the great work GMBN.
I would always go for the hardtail, but not a 12kg one - no way 😧I would pick the Exceed CF SLX with under 10kg 😁 - and it is even cheaper than the enduro bike. Btw. from a price perspective, your bike comparisons get pretty weird.
Enduro will eventually be replaced by ebikes it only makes sense because if you are in the market for an enduro bike you are not someone who is trying to ride uphill especially with all that added weight of a normal enduro.
I have been riding $200 hardtrail for like 3 years and saving money to buy an enduro bust also cant afford it cause it cost about a million in here I wish you could help me ❤
The best bike for what? Both different. There’s a bike for every discipline, so it all depends on what terrain you ride and your ride style. Who’s got the best bike 😅 there isn’t an overall ‘best bike’ Anyway, I thought we all needed a motor now?
I don't get why GMBN have to present MTBing as if they were on Playschool. Surely you could have a much more nuanced discussion or examples (you both can ride hard, why not just session sections of trails and just talk through what you're feeling, what FS ot HT allowed you to do/not to/have to do to compensate etc). Instead of we get his same "Nah nah nah nah nahhhh mine is betttaaaaaa" HT vs. FS comparators (or any comparisons really) every 6 months targeted at a 10 year old level of comprehension.
If you were to have one horse for many courses, which would you choose? The hardtail or the Enduro Bike?
Neither, I'd choose a trail bike.
Don’t know. Good question. 🤔 maybe a trail bike or my xc or downhill bike. Can’t you try them all?
best solutions? enduro hardtail.. 🥰
I have both (tyee, scout) and ride them equally often. If I had to choose... probably the hardtail, it's more versatile.
What about an Enduro Hardtail? 😊 Ragley Big Wig and others 😎 just came back from a club ride with 8 hours and 70km. So definitely also good for all day riding 😍
There is one correct answer, ride the bike that makes you smile!
I have 18 of em that make me grin ear to ear. Time to sort that suggestion and laugh.
The monthly HT vs FS video, exciting.
Rinse & repeat
You still watched it...... as did I.... we love MTB, we watch pretty pointless vids!
This war will rage on forever! lol
I’ve had 3 full squish bikes BUT the most fun I’ve ever had was on my hardtail.
"Crazy bugger" is the best technical review I've heard in a while
It’s the only review 😂😂😂
First thing you need for Apocalypse?
Blake - "A trusty hard tail"!
"It all comes down to your riding style" except one option is nearly triple the other 💵💵💵💵💵💵💸💸💸💸
Love my trek hardtail kicks ass 💪🚴👍
Hardtail die hard fan
What hardtail have you got?
@@gmbn i got a Marin San Quentin
@bastcj3896 how does it climb for you! I want to get one to replace my marin alpine 7 😅
Not to forget , the reliability of a hardtail!!
Both is always the correct answer!
I love my Enduro Hardtail
Absolutely love my ☢️ Scout ☢️ 275/140mm. It's a weapon & so much fun!!!
I bought last year after 20 years on HT first full. Ill never go back. IT so much better in every way. Even clibming is better, because I dont have to worry about unloading rear wheel in technical climb.
I love my hardtail, a Giant Fathom 1 with 27.5" front and back. Can take it to the dirt jump park, pump track and flow trails. My full sus ebike only feels good on rough trails and sketchy downhills.
Wish you guys did some Trek bikes. I love the channel. Thank you for such great content.
Trek hardtail 26" 6000 series, only the frame and shifters are original and my new Commencal Clash 27.5 and I love each for what they do!
My Middlechild is a one speed automatic transmission equipped HT. Of my 18 bikes, I reach for the singlespeed the most.
As someone who's more of an XC and gravel rider and who doesn't like steep and rocky terrain, hardtail or short travel FS for me. You'll never find me on an Enduro rig
Hardtails are all about the right tire combo, size and pressure. Once dialed in, all 😁
I'd be interested what you run I'm thinking of changing my 29er to a 2.6 front and 2.35 rear.
People got oversold on enduro type bikes, that's why everyone and his mom are selling them on marketplace, I even suspect some newcomers abandoned their good intentions of 2020-22 not helped by an intimidating 38 lbs bike with tires who need 1000w just to keep rolling 😂
Swapping tires would make a big difference
That way you never skip leg day
hulk legs after 30k ride with full sys😃
My Clash rolls just fine and easy. Both wheels being 27.5, less mass, nimbler, more playful and won't stink at climbing like a mullet.
Mid-travel trail, Banshee Prime, with 135 is my next bike. Lobe my steel SS hard tail but it is beating the heck out of me on the rooty downhills where I live.
Hardtail works for me for now, theres some trails that are too steep/fast/rough that I've done that I probably wont do again because of how unstable it becomes unless I drag the brakes the whole way down. But, It allows me to afford my BMX, DirtJumper, lots of guitars, Car insurance and a Car all on a Grocery Store Clerk's wage. Remember to return your Shopping Buggies/Trollies back in the corral's as it allows us to keep stock the shelves better instead of wandering the parkinglot recording buggies from parking stalls, curbs, ditches, blocking the exit door of the store, etc. It really does take away from the actual job when people just leave them anywhere, and the one I work at doesnt have the coin operated locks so customers tend to create an obstacle course just outside the exit and interdock the large and small buggies which dont actually fit together. Soooo much oversharing, LOL Cheers from BC, Canada.
Always return my carts back to the cart area, as well as any strays that are nearby!
All my local grocery stores have a "buggy employee" someone who gets paid to just retrieve buggies 😁 But we still "suppose" to return in buggy return sections.
@@mikeburgh3956 I've only heard of that being at much larger stores and even then they usually have the coin operated lock which allows buggies to be linked together for much easier transport as well. As it is, I can only steer around 6 at a time, arms are only so long. It wouldnt be a problem if that was the dedicated job, but really its cheaper for the store to just install the coin locks, as buggies are pretty expensive and we have a huge homeless population in the city I'm in BC, Canada, we lose alot of buggies but our store still hasnt gone the locking route, most of the surrounding stores have though. Cheers for the comments about buggies haha.
@@episodesglow I do too even if theres no coin thingy although our walmart recently got coin locks and if you park and spot a stray buggy thats a dollar in your pocket, so thats fun.
Grocery store clerk so you'll only be on about 100,000 dollars a year then .
The full sus is so much more comfy, but lots of people forget that a hardtail can ride 90% of everything a FS can. I’ve been riding a $500 hardtail in the Rockies for 2 years now and yeah, even though it’s taken some beatings, I’ve still ridden everything I’ve come across. It does rattle your bones though.
For me its the hardtail sure its not as fast downhill as the enduro but for the type of riding I do (alpine/trail) it suits me to the ground
My enduro rig is a Stanton ti hardtail, love it.
Definitely not as an only bike but at the moment my steel RSD Middle Child hard tail is my go too bike.
You’ll never stop me riding a hardtail… they’re beautiful looking machines that do everything you need to do, you can’t beat them. Stick some bigger tyres on it and some decent front forks and you can tackle anything. Gotta love a hardtail…
Blake you’ve had an affair with your Scout. 😢
I guess he can’t climb for some reason with Laufey 😂 it is all marketing. U can do with Hardtail whatever you want. Listen yourself or look on better reviews. Cheers
Hardtail 🤘🏻 just got back from a ride with all round trails and it was amazing
What bike are you riding at the moment?
@@gmbn downgraded as it happens from a full suspension Evil but due to family commitments it was just not getting used to its full potential. So now it’s a Trek marlin 8 gen 3. Upgraded forks fox 32. SRAM brakes and full cockpit change. Have to be honest I love it. Geometry is just want I need cost minimal to maintain and money in my back burner selling the evil for my family
Very nice! Can't beat a hardtail 🤘
Ride both bikes equally to be fair,nice to be able to choose on any given day
Great and informative video. I have a Trek Marlin 7 hard tail and I love it. I don’t ride heavy terrain or do jumps or drops over a few feet, so the hard tail fits me perfectly.
Thanks dude 👊
I received the Laufey H-ltd 2024, can't wait to see what it's like
a good ht vs a good fs i find it more fun on the ht 😊
I don’t do highly technical stuff. I just ride on rough off road conditions. I use a hard tail with 3x7 gears, a suspension fork, and nothing special. I don’t need the complicated full suspension of enduro. In fact someday I might get rid of the air fork to increase simplicity.
I'm so glad to see you riding my local trails! I ride that trail on a hardcore hardtail, a Kona Honzo ESD. The modern long, low and slack geometry is really helpful on those sections, and knowing that the full trail is only 30 kilometers long, riding it on a hardtail isn't such a crazy idea. Very nice to see you in the Basque Country! Hardcore Hardtails and clipless pedals FTW!
HT...all day. Benefit to cost ratio: 2-1 easily. Just the MRO costs alone.
I got a cheap full sus, my hardtail is deffo a better spec but I love them both , I send the full sus harder but use the hardtail more as it’s cheaper and less hassle to maintain
Same video done 1000 times. It's worth seen Blake shredding a hardtail, though.
Where are you guys riding these?
Looks fantastic and would really like to go there! 🤘
You can buy 3 great hardtails + a lot of kit for the price of just one of those full sus bikes
I love my hardtail, it’s like the do everything bike
i love my hardtail to death, and definitely ride things i shouldn’t on it. sadly i am probably gonna sell for a FS trail bike just to keep from beating my bike and body up as much, especially since i’ll be using my bike for work this year. i like steep chunky tech too much 😢 but a hardtail homie can’t lose 💯
Love my Laufey
I have hardtail bike trek superfly6 brilliant but also have giant reign 2 29 and also giant advanced pro 29 all brilliant bikes
1 Horse for many courses clearly has to be the most balanced bike, which has to be either an all mountain or trail bike.. Lighter and more comfortable to climb with than an enduro... To me at least an enduro is really a downhill bike with the after thought of throwing in some climbing ability to make it sit somwhere in the middle between trail and downhill..
But if were genuinely talking a 50/50 split between climbing and decending then its all mountain/trial bike imo..
Aggresive hardtail allday 😁🤙
Both, you should choose both.
Or you know.. Maybe a HardTail Enduro frame?
Did anyone notice that the climbing challenge was named downhill challenge and vice versa?
Only noticed downhill said climbing 😉
I miss seeing Blake on his ☢️😢
Blake should bring back the buttercup for these challenges.... Maybe even take it down fort William 👀
Great review,how much travel do you ride on the Laufey?
Thanks
Hardtail 27,5 x 3.0 - super!
Nice bike good luck 😊
One day im gonna get a Laufey if I get bored of my Occam, but I dont see that day coming any time soon yet :)
I'm on a 160mm Ragley BluePigRace ,after 4 years on a 150mm full susser,and I think I prefer the Hardtail,even though its a tad heavier...Ha !!
The hardtail bike is the only one I have at the moment.
Would be interested to see an XC version of this.
👌😎great video guys, for me ragley big al hardtail😆cause its what i could afford, but its so compliant, i can ride it allday👍
An rear suspension must always be checked,pression etc, some psi more or less makes it an horrible ride.......
So my suggestion: You can ride everything on a hardtail if speed is not the only thing.
Hardtails for ever!!!!!❤
I mean, you have to perform these same procedures on the hardtail as well, so if you're going to be checking or setting up the fork anyway, it only takes a couple of extra seconds to check the rear shock. Additionally, when there is only front suspension, a change in pressure is much more noticeable and detrimental.
Go for the middle, 150/140 trail bike. Just a flip of the switch and the rear is hard enough. #GMBN Lets see a Super Enduro vs DH for gravity riding. We know the Super is more versatile over all, but can it perform well enough in the down to replace a DH?
comfort and convenience is for cars and trains. if you want to save time and effort than you should stay at home. challenges are for mountain bikers.
Hey Blake sweared on 8.23 !
Wait! Downhill challenge, they climb up.. Climbing Challenge they go down the hill ... :)
I love my carbon hardtail, climbs easier on steep firetrails that I do.
2700 pond, that is one heavy hardtail
i noticed the edit was a little off the downhill you did the hill climb and the hill climb you did the down hill lol
8 grand for a bike ?? Oh my god... You could genuinely get a car for it..
This comparission feels wrong.
I would compare a XC- hardtail against a XC fully. Orbea offers both
2600 lb HT? How did it win the weight contest?
Lucky to have both, but might sell them for a 2nd hand emtb full sus having ridden my first one recently. Specialized levo something or other, it ticked all the boxes for me, apart from the price!
We've made a video over on EMBN to help you save some money when buying an eBike 👉 th-cam.com/video/OxIMCG-TH_A/w-d-xo.html
For me it would be a compromise. 120mm front and rear xc bike with lockout and dropper posts. Best of both worlds. Good enough for anything for an amateur like me.
Coming back to the Hardtail is so crucial to keeping ALL SORTS of riders involved here. I dare say we all enjoy surfing the tidal wave of "new, fast, light, long..." forms of MTB tech & bling. But the majority of us join this adventure on a Hardtail, and a great many keep right on rolling on one. It's all about showing up for the ride!😊
Good thing about a hardtail
Use cycle to work scheme to get up to £3000, buy a hardtail 👍
Bring back the scout !
Where is the Scout? I don’t like Orbea
fire video
150/140 trail bike FTW
Hi guys, can you reccommend a trail/enduro hardtail with at least 140mm front suspension for 120 kg rider? Budget 1400 eur
Blake and Rich cheers guys for a great vlog,im lucky enough to have one of each so i cant complain.Both great bikes depending on what your riding.Keep up the great work GMBN.
Thanks for watching! 🤘 What bike do you find yourself riding the most?
Hardtail wins. Lower cost of entry w/ better components - and hardtails make us better bikers
I would always go for the hardtail, but not a 12kg one - no way 😧I would pick the Exceed CF SLX with under 10kg 😁 - and it is even cheaper than the enduro bike. Btw. from a price perspective, your bike comparisons get pretty weird.
@10:53 Uh oh, it looks like a little chip by the pivot.
Did anyone notice the challenges were the wrong way round? DH challenge going up, and climbing challenge going down..... ?@!@? Great vid still though.
Blake, where's the Nukeproof Scout?
They are sponsored so I guess have to ride sponsor bikes which isn’t a bad thing 🙂
HARDTAIL FOR LIFE (5 grand full sus is way too out of my budget)
I just sold my Marin Elroy Hardtail and gone to the dark side and purchased a Marin Alpine Trail full sus e-bike and I love it
Enduro will eventually be replaced by ebikes it only makes sense because if you are in the market for an enduro bike you are not someone who is trying to ride uphill especially with all that added weight of a normal enduro.
Nukeproof 275👍
I have been riding $200 hardtrail for like 3 years and saving money to buy an enduro bust also cant afford it cause it cost about a million in here
I wish you could help me ❤
6:17 Blake, are you reading this copy "no warm up first try"?
The best bike for what? Both different. There’s a bike for every discipline, so it all depends on what terrain you ride and your ride style. Who’s got the best bike 😅 there isn’t an overall ‘best bike’
Anyway, I thought we all needed a motor now?
Always interesting HT/FS but as a EMTB rider how come never see E-Hardtail never seen any on the trails?
EMTBs are for lazy people (unless you have a physical issue), that's why you won't see an E hardtail.
Should i take the orbea laufey h-ltd or a occum h30?
Take the Laufey,o got one,did s 150 mm yaro on it, you will forget about damper!!!
Doesnt feel right seeing Blake on a hardtail that's not the Nukeproof Scout.
After 50 the more suspension the better 🙂!
hardtail
Awesome looking HT Blake
I don't get why GMBN have to present MTBing as if they were on Playschool. Surely you could have a much more nuanced discussion or examples (you both can ride hard, why not just session sections of trails and just talk through what you're feeling, what FS ot HT allowed you to do/not to/have to do to compensate etc). Instead of we get his same "Nah nah nah nah nahhhh mine is betttaaaaaa" HT vs. FS comparators (or any comparisons really) every 6 months targeted at a 10 year old level of comprehension.