I forgot about Kuva Zarr. Its damage is great and you can save up a lot of ammo if you are using a mutation mod by going away from ammo pickups while reloading and walking back. Weird mechanic but overall it is really strong so it is a "For Sure"
I can not stand this channel any longer sir. You have forgotten the most important AoE gun in the game. It is truly embarrassing that I have to tell you this, but you have forgotten the secondary fire of the Phantasma. Such mistakes can never be forgiven. Prepare for war.
12:19 Battacor The alt-fire actually has a 3.4m AOE whenever you hit the first target, with an additional 6m AOE when it hits s wall. Super nice over all!
Thank you for introducing me to my favorite weapon so far, the Tombfinger. The look of the tombfinger, the power of the tombfinger….. I can only like this video once but I would add 30k likes if possible
Holy shit the burston is much better than I thought. I haven’t gotten Incarnons yet, just the prime and figured it was mid. I’m looking forward to evolving it.
that poor bramma being dragged to the dirt, should went hunter munitions for Viral slash for the test but , i dont dare question you, you are golden content creator plz dont stop
i just use my ZAW to hit damage cap on anything and everything thesedays, bramma or torid or whatever primary secondary is a blast from the past but im all ZAW now
One thing to note is that while Dread/Paris have additive GunCO on their base forms in their Incarnon forms GunCO is actually multiplicative. Combined with the Longbow Sharpshot Arcane they can put out some nutty dmg.
I am more or less at 36:00 mark, need to take a break with watching for today. Aeolak is surprisingly super new-player friendly, as on Steam there is a "New Player Bundle" or something like that for ultra cheap that contains already leveled to 30 Aeolak with weapon slot and Catalyst, rank 10 Serration and 100 plat. After my last long break I joined a newbie clan and a bunch of under MR10 guys are using it. Cedo is also super easy to get, as you can buy already assembled bits and blueprint from Father on Deimos for 5k a piece at rank 4 and they are tradable for like 5 plat a piece.
I have been going back and forth on a lot of these weapons. I love running Dash and Boom setups in my looters. Now that I discovered I love spamming Loki's Safeguard Switch I just need a boom to go with. This was amazing work thank you for doing all of this!!
Bursting mass is not particulary good because it doesn't hit through walls. But its good in a sense that it reduces your bubbles to 1. Why is that good? Because when bubbles collide with each other they catch momentum. And if you wanna use the weapon for bubble only - there is a great synergy in having reduced projectile speed say on a riven. It will cripple your prime fire mode, but the bubble you creat will just spawn on you and won't move. But again - its not too reliable because enemies will push the bubble around. In that sense Simulor is prolly just better (since it does the same, but doesn't block enemy fire)
@@WispGraxx simulor vortex does the same buffing while not intercepting projectiles. Notice how its 'projectiles' so it can buff anything that comes through. For example - a certain viral+corrosive glaive that would suddenly gain added electric proc from it for the arcane proc. And unlike Quanta - who is pushed around with melee hits, that would should work. Although I never tried that.
17:00 Was wondering about this part since I noticed you said Bubonico's damage is multiplicative CO so it's insane, but you didn't have Galvanized Savvy on the Bubonico. Does Bubonico have innate CO? And if it doesn't, which mod would you replace with Savvy?
Hmmmmm... Nova's Gonna be eating good tonight Also, keep up the videos! I really thought i had learned a lot about all the guns and did what they did, but you have proved me wrong, Thanks!!!
1:40:00 Sporelacer really shines in it's Secondary form. I'd say currently it's a hidden gem, it almost feels like a kind of "old pre-nerf" AOE weapon, if you wish. With Pax Charge it has no ammo issues whatsoever, and it's doing really good even on DEA and Steel Path endurace runs.
@@WispGraxx Yup, it's a shame it makes such a mid Primary weapon. But I guess we can't have it all 🤷 Also thanks for the information, I'll be sure to check your video on Secondaries too!
Prolly my fave way of using Proboscis (it's pronounced Pro-bosis btw, c is "silent") is using Nyx and her armor strip (preferably with augment that strips 9 enemies). What's great is that you can move around and shoot WHILE casting her 2. So you shoot/armor strip/group enemies and kill stuff all at once.
You sure bou the c being silent, to me tha doesn make sense, jus don hab the c there then, there's cases where a silent letter makes sense or atleast doesn not make sense, bu here since both names are good an there own thing doesn make sense, plus, both work fo the type of thing it is
Amazing content like always! Really big amount of guns to choose! Also can u show your blue/red thick color combination on mag and wisp for energy and on weapons! Tnx u
Great list. For your consideration: 9m aoe, fully automatic, available additionally to any loadout. Zero ammo issues. 60% progenitor bonus. Goes nuts with Warframe buffs (specifically wisp and mirage) The kuva grattler. Daily driver / 100% it's always available Level cap viability / No Utility / main utility is shredding starchart and base SP. Breaks boxes for zariman missions. PT Priming / no Range / 9m automatic aoe with 40 round mags... Availability / kuva weapon Ammo economy / you drop your grattler from the sky and are gifted 280 ammo with no mods/riven buffs. Any mission you are doing with the grattler you will never need more ammo than that. Kuva grattler is one of if not the strongest starchart/base SP weapon in the game. It absolutely destroys anything you put in front of it and with frame buffs you can really do some insane damage. Alongside the fact it is literally a 4th weapon keeping your primary secondary and melee free. My grattler is your stahlta.
Dont you ever get popular. Im so glad i found this channel. I learn insane amount from you. I downloaded the sheets for weapons and copy some of your build. Thanks so much
I really like Cedo. One really funny mod to use is Shivering Contagion. It help a lot to max stack cold procs on lot of enemies. Literally a localized Gloom, you can completely lock whole corridors with this. I use this with my SG Nourish Khora to corrosive/viral priming whole corridors with ease (the range of the glaives is awesome), and still viable to shoot stuff when i feel like it.
Bramma still works fine in my experience just need to pick up drops At least insofar as you only use it on groups (have occasionally run out of ammo shooting acolytes) Edit: also I use Bramma alt fire fairly regularly (usually when a group of enemies is split between vertical levels and the approximate center point is therefore not on a ceiling/wall/floor and/or when I want to hit an enemy that I dont have line of sight on (and it's better to shoot past a corner and alt fire than to shoot the wall between me and the target)) Edit 2: nice music taste
@WispGraxx I watched the entire video with no distractions and bravo 👏 I have two questions: 1: What parts are the correct parts for the tombfinger you show? 2: Is akarius prime worth doing anything with and how would you build it?
@@forinor6655 Yes, but unfortunately there aren't many good options for the level cap. The best in my opinion are: glaive prime, ocucor and torid. but there are warframes like Zephyr that can make AOE with any weapon
@@Bubiquemado the sounds before the recent hotifx patch seemed to scale with multishot, so if you had like 3-4 multishot, you would get 4 times the sound which was absolutey ridicilous lmao.
Right, the weapon sounds way less intense now. I actually quite like the overall feel of the gun, just feels good. And uhh... It really is a Tenno Space Program recruiter, the ragdolls are wild
maybe for regular base steel path but it doesn't scale very well. galvanized shot is multiplicative to base damage source on direct hits which is nice but the AoE does chip damage to surrounding enemies. With a godroll riven, I was dealing maybe 10-15% enemy health from the AoE at level cap. I can probably push it further with some arcanes, vigorous swap, and some external buffs but I'm not shooting that gun 8 times to kill a group of lvl cap trash enemies with 2m health before armor. I'd rather use a weapon that does it faster tbh without every buff in the book.
i know you've long since gotten your aeolak but i wonder how the "good ammo economy" statement has aged, almost feels more ammo efficient on the damn alt fire if it's just base SP mobs incredibly strong autofire as far as raw damage goes, but always has me eyeing my ammo which not many autorifles do, maybe it just needs primed shred to feel better on that, idk
This video talks about the aoe part of any weapon, so i am 100% talking about the alt fire. Regardless the aeolak primary fire does way way more damage and has good ammo economy too
Might have missed it in the video, but what parts were used on the Tombfinger? Edit: found it in another comment below (tremor+splat) thanks again for this vid!
Normal version is higher disposition with the same stats when it comes to damage and status chance. You only get crits when it comes to the prime version and it still doesnt become crit viable, so essentially you are losing damage
@@WispGraxx Ahhh, that makes sense now. Thank you for the informative reply. I would have never gotten that on my own because I just started getting any rivens at all. Only have 2 so far.
You gotta do this video, without rivens, rivens can make any decent weapon being a must HAVE, that´s the POINT of the rives. For me it has no sense compare weapons with and without rivens, and not happy with that, you use cadence buffs, like bruh. Youre not comparig the weapons, youre just sayig wich are your favorites.
@@WispGraxx No, you´re not comparing weapons, youre comparing your builds, I never said rivens were not valid, i said, rivens and buffs are not fair for cheking if a weapon is great or bad since every weapon is great with rivens and buffs But how you said it, it okay to be wrong, not everyone has common sence
I'm extremely curious; I thought Galvanized Aptitude doesn't work on the blast/ AoE/ radial attack, but I'm getting a vibe that you're suggesting that it does, or that it does on some weapons maybe? Like you said "and that's without Aptitude" when showcasing the TombFinger's AoE. Maybe I'm just reading too much into it.
No it doesnt but a lot of explosives get multiplicative CO on direct hits making them crazy strong if you are aiming directly at enemies. Tombfinger and envoy are great examples
@@WispGraxxAh, gotcha I thought that might be the case. I need to take a deeper look at AOE in general, haven't given it a fair shot since the nerf. I usually disregard the direct hit (little damage on many of the old metas) and go Modified Munitions + Prime Firestorm. Your Stahlta vid peaked my interest again.
Man i have something to say to every weapon (i'm just as AOE obsessed as you are lol). For me personally, a massive factor of a good AOE gun is the FUN part. Does it feel good to shoot? Does it sound good? Does is look good? Would've been agreat factor you could've put in.
I agree with both of these comments I couldn't care less about Torid, even if it evaporates rooms in nanoseconds gimme sumthing like Buzlok, Braton, Sporothrix or Komorex over that puny ass pathetic little beam that is Torid, any day of the week :D
@@Hejirah Facts! I have some of the most brutal guns in the game with all the good rivens etc. but i donnt see myself using most of em. I love guns that are versatile, look good, sound good, have build variety aand jusdt feeeel good. Also very based mentions, Braton, Sporo and Komorex are some of my favorites as well! (even got 3 Rivens for the sporo lol, let me know if you want one, its one me :P)
I get the whole some weapons damage is jus worse bu, 1, tha doesn really affect some stuff as much as you would think an 2, either your showcase was very unoptimized or something cause certain weapons, prime example is the spore lacer, did significantly better than some higher rated weapons, the sporelacer slander was bad, i get its secondary is better, bu li seeing it in action it was equal to alot of the others in terms of damage as it was stronger at firs bu cant stack more damage really like the others, which lead to it feeling more consistent in the video than some of the higher tiered weapons while still being same in terms of damage
For max damage yes. Even if double tap is still buggy and the 400% bonus changes to 140% when you change from incarnon to not incarnon you can still benefit from it. Its also a big downside for me that it instantly loses all stack if you miss a bullet. All comes down to preference really
@@WispGraxx I use it because it ramps damage without requiring a kill, it's multiplicative, and by the time it gets bugged I have other buffs active to keep damage up. It also makes the normal mode noticably stronger. Sometimes I play around with primary fire only because of how dramatic the buff is.
It's kind annoying to keep up which reduces the usability by quiete a bit, but again, that's subjective! If you're willing to make the trade off, it's 100% stronger. Also, in the last big patch they fixed the interaction with Double Tap and one of the Aero mods, which previously increased the timer on the Double Tap mod.
@@WispGraxx yea i guess in that case it’s still worth over normal savvy if you’re gonna use primary fire; i basically never use primary fire on corinth prime lol
Are archguns viable for steelpath etc.? I've been thinking of driving mausolon in regular missions, but haven't tried it yet and don't have elem mods. Nothing crazy, no lvlcap, maybe an archon hunt at most.
Sorry for the late answer. Despite popular belief many archguns are sp viable especially with their recent buffs. The kuva grattler has some insane prowess in close corridor missions like the grineer tilesets
So many guns performed way better than the stahlta on this list. Also, stahlta isnt new player friendly at all since you need a god roll to play it on a high level but the gun its better than avg thats for sure!
Stahlta can do level cap with ease without any rivens at all, it is absolutely new player friendly since it is MR 10 and ANY gun that is up to MR 10 doesn't come close to the pure stopping power of the stahlta. I have a bias but anyone that has tried it so far and with all the push I have given it, there has not been a SINGLE person so far to tell me it either felt "underwhelming" or "not that great" Everyone simply said its OP and good for every kind of mission
Every gun can go level cap with 30 buffs and armor strip @@WispGraxx the gun lacks fire rate too so you are missing a slot if you don't play wisp or a warframe that gives you fire rate... I rate it A- and i know your favorite gun and i understand and respect your opinion, but please stop forcing your opinion on people. Its not the best, I have a god roll and i spent 8 forma on it! The gun its great but takes so many recourses to make it good. Thats why to me its not new player friendly. Remember that we can disagree and its ok to do so.
I am probably just a scrub but I don't understand the strun incarnon... It's damage seems to get worse when I go to incarnon mode, as opposed to my other incarnon. I think I must be modding incorrectly to do good damage when in incarnon, idk though.
He mentioned that more RAW dmg is simply more enjoyable for him, you see bigger numbers. Of course its not the optimal "min-maxed" approach, but on those weapons you do not need to do this AT ALL. Those weapons are so stupid strong with even a normal build.
@@noahedenborg4221no. Zenith is the only weapon in the game with infinite pt that isnt included into this list and that is because it is hitscan. Without a projectile you cant get any width and therefore no AoE, so it is not included. Every other infinite pt weapon is included normally To make it a bit easier to understand. If you took the guns you mentioned and shot at a mag bubble they would all pierce through every target at least once, zenith doesnt
@@WispGraxx i can see that logic tho zenith is 1 of 2 normal weapons with infinite punch through most others on this list only have infinite body pt but yeah aoe hit more then 1 enemy i can kinda see it
![[WARFRAME] TOP 10 FUN AoE PRIMARY WEAPONS!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/WdmXEgjQC_c/mqdefault.jpg)
I forgot about Kuva Zarr. Its damage is great and you can save up a lot of ammo if you are using a mutation mod by going away from ammo pickups while reloading and walking back. Weird mechanic but overall it is really strong so it is a "For Sure"
since the blast rework, you think blast aoes like prima lens are now worth using?
Brother you keep saying you know but the truth is I don’t know
LMFAO I am sorry bad habbit
*mentally preparing myself to farm more plat for weapon slots because moug uploaded another movie
Don't be fooled he made this vid to gush about Stahlta some more.
AND IM GONNA DO IT AGAIN
I can not stand this channel any longer sir. You have forgotten the most important AoE gun in the game. It is truly embarrassing that I have to tell you this, but you have forgotten the secondary fire of the Phantasma. Such mistakes can never be forgiven. Prepare for war.
Oops
LMFAO
You forgot the secondary shot of a staticor.
Prepare for Broken War
I thought this was a shitpost until I realized that phantasma has a secondary fire
Moug i tbunk you might be tha goat of warframe content ngl
12:19 Battacor
The alt-fire actually has a 3.4m AOE whenever you hit the first target, with an additional 6m AOE when it hits s wall.
Super nice over all!
Thank you for introducing me to my favorite weapon so far, the Tombfinger. The look of the tombfinger, the power of the tombfinger….. I can only like this video once but I would add 30k likes if possible
Holy shit the burston is much better than I thought. I haven’t gotten Incarnons yet, just the prime and figured it was mid. I’m looking forward to evolving it.
that poor bramma being dragged to the dirt, should went hunter munitions for Viral slash for the test but , i dont dare question you, you are golden content creator plz dont stop
The damage of bramma is amazing, just ammo issues
"I don't dare question you" that's your mistake. also lacks primed firestorm btw.
i just use my ZAW to hit damage cap on anything and everything thesedays, bramma or torid or whatever primary secondary is a blast from the past but im all ZAW now
Did not know that about the strun. Thanks for the knowledge.
One thing to note is that while Dread/Paris have additive GunCO on their base forms in their Incarnon forms GunCO is actually multiplicative. Combined with the Longbow Sharpshot Arcane they can put out some nutty dmg.
This is the exactly kind of video I've been looking for, thanks for your work!
I am more or less at 36:00 mark, need to take a break with watching for today.
Aeolak is surprisingly super new-player friendly, as on Steam there is a "New Player Bundle" or something like that for ultra cheap that contains already leveled to 30 Aeolak with weapon slot and Catalyst, rank 10 Serration and 100 plat. After my last long break I joined a newbie clan and a bunch of under MR10 guys are using it.
Cedo is also super easy to get, as you can buy already assembled bits and blueprint from Father on Deimos for 5k a piece at rank 4 and they are tradable for like 5 plat a piece.
I have been going back and forth on a lot of these weapons. I love running Dash and Boom setups in my looters. Now that I discovered I love spamming Loki's Safeguard Switch I just need a boom to go with. This was amazing work thank you for doing all of this!!
You forgot the miter incarnon I believe, that weapon is a beast.
This is a great video ! Please do more ones like this, thanks !
I hate that I get notified so late to your videos!!! 2 hours??? You are awesome sir!
Bursting mass is not particulary good because it doesn't hit through walls. But its good in a sense that it reduces your bubbles to 1. Why is that good? Because when bubbles collide with each other they catch momentum. And if you wanna use the weapon for bubble only - there is a great synergy in having reduced projectile speed say on a riven. It will cripple your prime fire mode, but the bubble you creat will just spawn on you and won't move. But again - its not too reliable because enemies will push the bubble around. In that sense Simulor is prolly just better (since it does the same, but doesn't block enemy fire)
Interesting. The bubble itself seems to buff weapon damage when you shoot through it.. so I am excited to see what i can cook with it
@@WispGraxx simulor vortex does the same buffing while not intercepting projectiles. Notice how its 'projectiles' so it can buff anything that comes through. For example - a certain viral+corrosive glaive that would suddenly gain added electric proc from it for the arcane proc. And unlike Quanta - who is pushed around with melee hits, that would should work. Although I never tried that.
@@Aeria11bdo these “projectiles” include abilities?
@Moug I like the " prey seeker" 2:13:39 , but idk which parts I need in order to build it . Could you help me with it ?
parts are : Tremor , Tombfinger , Splat
@@Dragon50X appreciate! 🙏🏻
Burston incarnon is probably gonna be one of the few i actually TRY to grind out. Absolutely nuts.
17:00 Was wondering about this part since I noticed you said Bubonico's damage is multiplicative CO so it's insane, but you didn't have Galvanized Savvy on the Bubonico. Does Bubonico have innate CO? And if it doesn't, which mod would you replace with Savvy?
Hmmmmm... Nova's Gonna be eating good tonight
Also, keep up the videos! I really thought i had learned a lot about all the guns and did what they did, but you have proved me wrong, Thanks!!!
Great backround music great video👍🏽💯
1:40:00
Sporelacer really shines in it's Secondary form. I'd say currently it's a hidden gem, it almost feels like a kind of "old pre-nerf" AOE weapon, if you wish. With Pax Charge it has no ammo issues whatsoever, and it's doing really good even on DEA and Steel Path endurace runs.
It is number 2 in my top 10 secondaries video. Its a shame its primary variant is so bad
@@WispGraxx Yup, it's a shame it makes such a mid Primary weapon. But I guess we can't have it all 🤷
Also thanks for the information, I'll be sure to check your video on Secondaries too!
Prolly my fave way of using Proboscis (it's pronounced Pro-bosis btw, c is "silent") is using Nyx and her armor strip (preferably with augment that strips 9 enemies).
What's great is that you can move around and shoot WHILE casting her 2. So you shoot/armor strip/group enemies and kill stuff all at once.
You sure bou the c being silent, to me tha doesn make sense, jus don hab the c there then, there's cases where a silent letter makes sense or atleast doesn not make sense, bu here since both names are good an there own thing doesn make sense, plus, both work fo the type of thing it is
Unairu is really nice with Probiscus too, as it has AoE full armor and Full shield strip abilities, and both go perfect with the grouping of Bow 😂
The way everyone forgets about Cinta should be a crime. The thing is beastly.
People forget about it because its way harder to get and is very similar to the Nataruk. So most just stick with Nataruk
Brightside tho it looks cool and technically u could get it earlier iirc could be wrong tho
@@Gator_Queen8188 you arent, you could in theory, but theres maybe 1 person that actually will get it before nataruk
@@nbassasin8092I did
I did not expect that from the komorex...
0:45 sonicor cries in a corner. Used to be my favorite in 2015-2016. Didn't even make the list 😭
Amazing content like always! Really big amount of guns to choose! Also can u show your blue/red thick color combination on mag and wisp for energy and on weapons! Tnx u
Great list.
For your consideration:
9m aoe, fully automatic, available additionally to any loadout. Zero ammo issues. 60% progenitor bonus. Goes nuts with Warframe buffs (specifically wisp and mirage) The kuva grattler.
Daily driver / 100% it's always available
Level cap viability / No
Utility / main utility is shredding starchart and base SP. Breaks boxes for zariman missions. PT
Priming / no
Range / 9m automatic aoe with 40 round mags...
Availability / kuva weapon
Ammo economy / you drop your grattler from the sky and are gifted 280 ammo with no mods/riven buffs. Any mission you are doing with the grattler you will never need more ammo than that.
Kuva grattler is one of if not the strongest starchart/base SP weapon in the game. It absolutely destroys anything you put in front of it and with frame buffs you can really do some insane damage. Alongside the fact it is literally a 4th weapon keeping your primary secondary and melee free.
My grattler is your stahlta.
Dont you ever get popular. Im so glad i found this channel. I learn insane amount from you. I downloaded the sheets for weapons and copy some of your build. Thanks so much
I really like Cedo. One really funny mod to use is Shivering Contagion. It help a lot to max stack cold procs on lot of enemies. Literally a localized Gloom, you can completely lock whole corridors with this. I use this with my SG Nourish Khora to corrosive/viral priming whole corridors with ease (the range of the glaives is awesome), and still viable to shoot stuff when i feel like it.
Cedo is insane, it can be build in so many ways. Even the sound of that gun is deadly.
what does sg stand for
@@shrek9025Shield Gate
Amazing video ty ❤
Loved the vid and could you do aoe secondaries maybe?
Streaming this and doing a Tier-List with your subscribers would've been great!
Bramma still works fine in my experience
just need to pick up drops
At least insofar as you only use it on groups (have occasionally run out of ammo shooting acolytes)
Edit: also I use Bramma alt fire fairly regularly (usually when a group of enemies is split between vertical levels and the approximate center point is therefore not on a ceiling/wall/floor and/or when I want to hit an enemy that I dont have line of sight on (and it's better to shoot past a corner and alt fire than to shoot the wall between me and the target))
Edit 2: nice music taste
@WispGraxx I watched the entire video with no distractions and bravo 👏
I have two questions:
1: What parts are the correct parts for the tombfinger you show?
2: Is akarius prime worth doing anything with and how would you build it?
Tremor splat and yes 100%
I really like what i saw on Tombfinger! i am wondering how your shooting so fast with its charged attack? it takes a bit for mine to charge up
Hmm, I am torn on picking the stahlta or the tenet tetra. I mostly play Ash/Saryn/Mirage so I am thinking tenet might be more useful.
A tetra with a negative mag riven is so broken its ridiculous
Synoid Simulor? Loved the video though
Correct, one weapon I missed. I can do a follow up video showcasing just the weapon if you wish
@@WispGraxx Would love that! Its a really cool weapon that doesn't get much love
@@WispGraxx Is a secondary video planned bro? 👀
Pefect
I need a good aoe weapon for void cascade sp Lvl cap, killing trash enemies (usually i dont play lvl cap, but that game mode is sooo fun)
Did u find what u like?
@@forinor6655 Yes, but unfortunately there aren't many good options for the level cap. The best in my opinion are: glaive prime, ocucor and torid.
but there are warframes like Zephyr that can make AOE with any weapon
@@uwUmbra think I can get those builds?
Starting to pump out these long ass videos 😂
You dont have Miter incarnon? I miss this weapon in the list :(
F you are right. Another one I missed
I can do its own video if you want
miter my favorite and the go to weapon at the moment
absolute banger of a gun
it's stupid fun on gauss (for instance)
What about sobek with acid shells, or jat kittag with its augment? 😔 (Detron and obex have a similar mod, but the damage is worse)
bros on a generational run when it comes to wf content right now 😂
You also forgot about another weapon, that one being the Basmu, the Acceltra alternative, instead of crit its a status monster.
@@Fuwiel 1,7m aoe is not aoe
but what if you equip the ambassador on yarelli with the tenet skin, with stug and zenistar, the zenistar has mortal conduct (a pvp mod)
Ambassin
I started absolutely loving the Tombfinger primary!
Damage, visuals, sounds everything is amazing with this badboy!
the tombfingers sound design is so 😫
@@Bubiquemado it got reworked just 2 days ago if you are interested. Not showcased here, the video took me 3 days to render and upload
Perhaps the most needed weapon rework ever, I really enjoy hearing the sounds of the tenno space program.
@@Bubiquemado the sounds before the recent hotifx patch seemed to scale with multishot, so if you had like 3-4 multishot, you would get 4 times the sound which was absolutey ridicilous lmao.
Right, the weapon sounds way less intense now. I actually quite like the overall feel of the gun, just feels good.
And uhh... It really is a Tenno Space Program recruiter, the ragdolls are wild
What about the Astilla? it's also an aoe primary weapon ;) But you need to shoot the ground or the bodies of ennemies ;)
WOW ARE YOU INSANE!!
Dude i will love this, you're the GOAT of AOE 🤣🔥
The battacor only has mult gunCO on the primary fire, the secondary fire is additive
Sporelacer secondary is so much better
best secondary aoe
maybe for regular base steel path but it doesn't scale very well. galvanized shot is multiplicative to base damage source on direct hits which is nice but the AoE does chip damage to surrounding enemies. With a godroll riven, I was dealing maybe 10-15% enemy health from the AoE at level cap. I can probably push it further with some arcanes, vigorous swap, and some external buffs but I'm not shooting that gun 8 times to kill a group of lvl cap trash enemies with 2m health before armor. I'd rather use a weapon that does it faster tbh without every buff in the book.
i know you've long since gotten your aeolak but i wonder how the "good ammo economy" statement has aged, almost feels more ammo efficient on the damn alt fire if it's just base SP mobs
incredibly strong autofire as far as raw damage goes, but always has me eyeing my ammo which not many autorifles do, maybe it just needs primed shred to feel better on that, idk
This video talks about the aoe part of any weapon, so i am 100% talking about the alt fire. Regardless the aeolak primary fire does way way more damage and has good ammo economy too
Moug the goat
Might have missed it in the video, but what parts were used on the Tombfinger?
Edit: found it in another comment below (tremor+splat) thanks again for this vid!
thats why he's the goat
Why don't you use faction mods instead of serration, i believe factions mods is multiplicative damage instead of aditive like serration
@@angelc2028 100% true but i gotta appeal to the mass here. Most people dont like using bane mods
So what is the deal between the Phantasma and the phantasma Prime? How is the normal version better?
Normal version is higher disposition with the same stats when it comes to damage and status chance. You only get crits when it comes to the prime version and it still doesnt become crit viable, so essentially you are losing damage
@@WispGraxx Ahhh, that makes sense now. Thank you for the informative reply.
I would have never gotten that on my own because I just started getting any rivens at all. Only have 2 so far.
You gotta do this video, without rivens, rivens can make any decent weapon being a must HAVE, that´s the POINT of the rives. For me it has no sense compare weapons with and without rivens, and not happy with that, you use cadence buffs, like bruh. Youre not comparig the weapons, youre just sayig wich are your favorites.
I am 100% comparing weapons and riven mods are a part of the game but its okay to be wrong sometimes
@@WispGraxx No, you´re not comparing weapons, youre comparing your builds, I never said rivens were not valid, i said, rivens and buffs are not fair for cheking if a weapon is great or bad since every weapon is great with rivens and buffs
But how you said it, it okay to be wrong, not everyone has common sence
@@enriquepedros6626 You just poor lets be honest.
@@Huh-0.1 You could say anything but poor HAHA i could buy your entire life, but you're worthless, let's be honest.
7'8 driving a hellcat much?@@enriquepedros6626
I'm extremely curious; I thought Galvanized Aptitude doesn't work on the blast/ AoE/ radial attack, but I'm getting a vibe that you're suggesting that it does, or that it does on some weapons maybe? Like you said "and that's without Aptitude" when showcasing the TombFinger's AoE. Maybe I'm just reading too much into it.
No it doesnt but a lot of explosives get multiplicative CO on direct hits making them crazy strong if you are aiming directly at enemies. Tombfinger and envoy are great examples
@@WispGraxxAh, gotcha I thought that might be the case. I need to take a deeper look at AOE in general, haven't given it a fair shot since the nerf. I usually disregard the direct hit (little damage on many of the old metas) and go Modified Munitions + Prime Firestorm. Your Stahlta vid peaked my interest again.
What about the Gotva? It has a smoll AoE too, its one of my fav weapons.
With its perk it has some interesting builds.
Man i have something to say to every weapon (i'm just as AOE obsessed as you are lol).
For me personally, a massive factor of a good AOE gun is the FUN part. Does it feel good to shoot? Does it sound good? Does is look good?
Would've been agreat factor you could've put in.
True but this is subjective. Some people like the feel of the Chakkhurr for example and I simply hate it
I agree with both of these comments
I couldn't care less about Torid, even if it evaporates rooms in nanoseconds
gimme sumthing like Buzlok, Braton, Sporothrix or Komorex over that puny ass pathetic little beam that is Torid, any day of the week :D
@@Hejirah Facts! I have some of the most brutal guns in the game with all the good rivens etc. but i donnt see myself using most of em.
I love guns that are versatile, look good, sound good, have build variety aand jusdt feeeel good.
Also very based mentions, Braton, Sporo and Komorex are some of my favorites as well! (even got 3 Rivens for the sporo lol, let me know if you want one, its one me :P)
got 2 rivs for the sporo, but thx for the offer dude XD@@coldfries8976
btw, buzlok can rival braton incarnon, no lie
Sporelacer with right riven hits diff. Bigger mag/reload speed/element
Yes, the secondary. The primary is horrible compared to the other options
ye the 2/5 dispo is kinda bad tho
reload speed? Pax charge is right there
I get the whole some weapons damage is jus worse bu, 1, tha doesn really affect some stuff as much as you would think an 2, either your showcase was very unoptimized or something cause certain weapons, prime example is the spore lacer, did significantly better than some higher rated weapons, the sporelacer slander was bad, i get its secondary is better, bu li seeing it in action it was equal to alot of the others in terms of damage as it was stronger at firs bu cant stack more damage really like the others, which lead to it feeling more consistent in the video than some of the higher tiered weapons while still being same in terms of damage
I'm just starting to listen, but I'll ask a question: what are, let's say, 3 warframes that will work best when using these weapons? 🤔
Mirage,Gauss,Wisp,Saryn. Generally gun buffers
Have the tombfinger setup, but I dont really play wisp, so my fire rate is atrocious. Is it still worth using? Should i mod in firerate?
If you have a flex Arcane slot on the frame, Arcane for fire rate can help with this a LOT.
Latron needs Double Tap instead of Serration.
For max damage yes. Even if double tap is still buggy and the 400% bonus changes to 140% when you change from incarnon to not incarnon you can still benefit from it. Its also a big downside for me that it instantly loses all stack if you miss a bullet. All comes down to preference really
@@WispGraxx I use it because it ramps damage without requiring a kill, it's multiplicative, and by the time it gets bugged I have other buffs active to keep damage up. It also makes the normal mode noticably stronger. Sometimes I play around with primary fire only because of how dramatic the buff is.
It's kind annoying to keep up which reduces the usability by quiete a bit, but again, that's subjective!
If you're willing to make the trade off, it's 100% stronger.
Also, in the last big patch they fixed the interaction with Double Tap and one of the Aero mods, which previously increased the timer on the Double Tap mod.
@@coldfries8976 When you get multishot up, the second tap does full damage. I rarely need the third.
Just waiting for Stahlta at this point. Needs their own video!
38:20 wait its an aoe wouldnt galv savvy not apply to it?
Savvy does give status chance and still gives damage to primary fire. Status chance on secondary fire helps a ton for my build cause viral proc
@@WispGraxx yea i guess in that case it’s still worth over normal savvy if you’re gonna use primary fire; i basically never use primary fire on corinth prime lol
If we do incarnons here, then why no braton on the list? Its so nice w as buffs, can provide my rivens for review
Are archguns viable for steelpath etc.? I've been thinking of driving mausolon in regular missions, but haven't tried it yet and don't have elem mods. Nothing crazy, no lvlcap, maybe an archon hunt at most.
Sorry for the late answer. Despite popular belief many archguns are sp viable especially with their recent buffs. The kuva grattler has some insane prowess in close corridor missions like the grineer tilesets
@@WispGraxx dw s'all good ❤ thank you and keep on keeping on
You missed the fact that Nataruk is multiplicative gunCO, it hits absurdly hard with the galvanized mod and an arcane unlike yours lol
Does the Stahlta have forced impact procs on both fire modes?
No, just the alt fire. But the primary fire is slash based so it will do bleed procs on its own
Just picked up the kuva ogris after watching this and the top 10 primaries, do you have a non riven version of it, or what would you replace it with?
Probably vigilante armaments. If not then hellfire
tyyyyyy@@WispGraxx
though i guess these mods are pretty basic so even a not great riven, can pretty easily beat these @@WispGraxx
So many guns performed way better than the stahlta on this list. Also, stahlta isnt new player friendly at all since you need a god roll to play it on a high level but the gun its better than avg thats for sure!
Stahlta can do level cap with ease without any rivens at all, it is absolutely new player friendly since it is MR 10 and ANY gun that is up to MR 10 doesn't come close to the pure stopping power of the stahlta. I have a bias but anyone that has tried it so far and with all the push I have given it, there has not been a SINGLE person so far to tell me it either felt "underwhelming" or "not that great"
Everyone simply said its OP and good for every kind of mission
Every gun can go level cap with 30 buffs and armor strip @@WispGraxx the gun lacks fire rate too so you are missing a slot if you don't play wisp or a warframe that gives you fire rate... I rate it A- and i know your favorite gun and i understand and respect your opinion, but please stop forcing your opinion on people. Its not the best, I have a god roll and i spent 8 forma on it! The gun its great but takes so many recourses to make it good. Thats why to me its not new player friendly. Remember that we can disagree and its ok to do so.
finally someone praising Komorex
My good sir
Why is boar prime incarnon not on this list i wanna know is it good?
A reminder that gunCo does not work on latron
Who's calling strun prime mediocre ? I don't think your build has enough status. I'd say go for the status perk and try it out. Top 5 incarnons imo
I am happy with it the way it is already. Level cap viable with really good aoe and crit allows me to hunter munitions
I am probably just a scrub but I don't understand the strun incarnon... It's damage seems to get worse when I go to incarnon mode, as opposed to my other incarnon. I think I must be modding incorrectly to do good damage when in incarnon, idk though.
@@WispGraxx Status perk makes the gun have 500% status, natural slash > HM
Would ignis wraith not run hunter munitions if not running weapon buffing frame?
What idle animation is that on your wisp?
That is Xaku Agile
What is "daily driver" and why are shotguns not "daily drivers"?
Daily Drivers are weapons you take into every mission regardless of circumstances. Shotgun lacking range cannot be daily drivers for that reason
Tombfinger , what are the parts?
Tremor, Splat
@@WispGraxx oh thank you
why did you put seration in your burston incarnon wouldnt other mods be better?
He mentioned that more RAW dmg is simply more enjoyable for him, you see bigger numbers.
Of course its not the optimal "min-maxed" approach, but on those weapons you do not need to do this AT ALL. Those weapons are so stupid strong with even a normal build.
Aptitude does not work on Burston, you need 13 statuses to make it better than Serration
@@FiveN9neyeah but you don't need to put aptitude either...
Isn’t aptitude just not really working on aoe weapons?
Max multishot Cernos Prime with explosive arrows = meta demolisher 😏 (it sucks complete ass like that)
Could you post the txt file please, its so small on the screen i cant read it
2:11:02 timestamp for future self
Don’t forget abt gorgon incarnon
Plays wisp....
1:24:42 ''I have kabutt buff''
What ellement for the kuva tonkor
What about astilla prime :(
Forgotten. Will make a video about it, thank you for mentioning
why does my stahlta do shit damage sir
alright so instantly u have some weapons that arnt aoe (for me at least) but instead are jsut big bullet
dread paris plasmeer quellor nataruk
I explained that weapons with infinite punch through are gonna count (the zenith isnt here because its hitscan and not projectile)
they affect a wide area, hence you could say they are "area of effect"
@@WispGraxx u mean weapons with big ass bullets count not large punch through cus that makes more sense then what u just typed
@@noahedenborg4221no. Zenith is the only weapon in the game with infinite pt that isnt included into this list and that is because it is hitscan. Without a projectile you cant get any width and therefore no AoE, so it is not included. Every other infinite pt weapon is included normally
To make it a bit easier to understand. If you took the guns you mentioned and shot at a mag bubble they would all pierce through every target at least once, zenith doesnt
@@WispGraxx i can see that logic
tho zenith is 1 of 2 normal weapons with infinite punch through most others on this list only have infinite body pt
but yeah aoe hit more then 1 enemy i can kinda see it
If ignis wraith is AOE then isn't Kuva Chakkie AOE too?
prnt.sc/77aFaCcGkmEw
@@WispGraxx Fair 😐
Why do you use galvCo on aoe weapons?
Some use the extra damage on direct impact, making them really strong
skipped on Fulmin The Real Best Gun in Game!
Fulmin is not aoe
How did you manage to change Stahlta name to Stahltaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? 😂😂
Astilla?
Forgot about it. Will review it in a seperate video
Astilla is one of my favourite guns but it can hardly be called AOE