My dad flew Mustang P51Ds during WWII. He used to take me up in a Cessna in the 80s and 90s and do all those Aerobatic maneuvers. I used to love them so much and he did it so easily like it was second nature. I never realised that it was this complex to learn. I remember at one stage we were doing a barrel roll and I started to black out from the G Forces. I then just blacked out and woke up again to see my dad still flying the plane ! I was just astonished and is something Ill never forget.
+Alfa Won Either your memory is flawed ...or your dad couldn't aerobat for sh1t. A correctly executed "barrel roll" is a +1g manoeuvre throughout. i.e. the same +1g you experience sitting at your PC/MAC. It is one of the easiest and comfortable manoeuvres to fly beyond straight and level. Even a chandelle requires more 'g'.
Your quite an offensive individual who ever you are. Sorry my dads not around to explain what he was doing but hes passed on now. What ever areobatics he was doing in the cessna weather it be a barrel roll or snap roll or whatever there called I blacked out. So my memory is not flawed. If I blacked out I blacked out. Some respect for our war veterans would go along way as well.
That's awesome. Your dad sounds like he was quite the man. You gotta know what you're doing to even think about that stuff. More than that - he sounds like he had it automatized!
Exact reason why I'm here. Playing without mouse aiming makes it more difficult since I dont have a computer flying my plane for me with unrealistic dynamics... I'm knew to the game on ps4 so I dont have a squadron to fly with
Those aerobatic maneuvers performed by Fairchild Pt 19 like a loop, during the plane was in inverted flight their engines made a " cough cough "noise, as I remember during the time those planes were in use at my home town flight club, about 50 years ago...
The reason why allied fighter pilot aces did not get more then 50 aerial victorys/kills was because at 50 the pilot was sent home to train new pilots. That way, while the luftwaffe had a couple of aces with very high kill counts but a lot of extremely bad pilots who did did not achive anything and got shot down on their first mission, on the allied side the average pilot was much better trained and experienced then the average luftwaffe pilot leading to more aerial victorys overall.
LMAO you rock dude. I wouldn't have dreamt of doing that in my trainer. The lessons and licensing and everything were so expensive as it was and I was nearly broke anyway, but wanted . . . no NEEDED that license lol. But it would be SO much fun doing this stuff in *any* plane (well, any capably built plane). :)
Most trainers are not rated for aerobatics. A high time pilot once told me that turbulence will put more stress on an airframe than most aerobatic maneuvers. If you have a G meter look at it after your flights. It’s pretty interesting how even what seems like light turbulence can put 2 G’s on the airplane. I’m not sure what you pull in an aileron roll or a loop but it can’t be much. Obviously don’t try it unless the airplane is certified for aerobatics, you don’t want to be a test pilot!
As horrendous as it might look for some, this war put a whole new spin (many spins, turns, etc.) in aviation skills and brought up some of the biggest lessons for future aviators.
The commentary mentions that the British Spitfire pilot did not know his aerobatics, and not acrobatics, as well as the German pilot. It's not that British pilots could not good at aerobatics, it is that they did not have time to learn. Often they arrived at their squadrons with as little as ten to twelve flying hours during training. Later, after the Battle of Britain they had more time to train. The Germans, on the other hand, had been flying in Spain during the Spanish Civil War.
The Germans had a training program that began early and continued up to the war. Funny how the USA was training pilots before the war in different programs. It is almost like they knew we were going to war soon.
You've got pilots confused with mechanics. You're also forgetting that the first jet aircraft flew 4 years before this film was made. That time-traveling figther pilot would be talking to them about Energy-Manuverability Theory and Air Combat Manuvering.
this is fkn awesome broooo...this is my dream to buy my own me 109...i love the brutal sound of that engine and it can do mach 1.00 at a brutal dive...thats fucking crazy shit brother...
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+Chris Nichols Like so much narrated documentary/instructional/movie/newsreel footage, the visual content doesn't match the voiceover. The purpose of theat commentary was to make the point. I didn't perceive it as 'dissing' the Brits. The narrator's point by association was "you too can be shot down if you don't know your stuff as well as your opponent" 'evidenced' by accompanying visual anecdotal reinforcement. If you failed to pick up on that as a member of this film's originally intended target demographic, you likely would have been a victim .....or washed out to become a ball turret or tail air gunner.o.O
The Blytonian but if you seen this video, that spitfire suddenly became an German plane all of the sudden. Also we saw that this was practice since during real war, that spitfire would evade as much as possible
+Martin Giurov Bf 109 not Me 109, and it had a Daimler Benz (DB) liquid cooled inline engine not a BMW. With the exception of the early pre war production through early suffix Ds, DBs of varying sub revisons e.g. 601, 605 et al were installed in all models from E through K throughout the duration of the war. The Fw 190A series were BMW air cooled radial engined.
@@theblytonian3906 it's actually messerchmit bf 109. So the correct term is Me 109. Historically proven that none of the soldiers, axis and allies, called it the BF 109.
@John Beauvais I 'ken yer argument, but the reality is, its official designation from the time it was conceived until well into production and initial years of service through C, D & E models was Bf 109. There is evidence that later in the war, a *few* documents errantly referred to the F G & K as the Me. If one wants to argue semantics, by convention and commonly adopted in use at the time and historically save the done nothing academic libtard left and know it all snowflake gen, any type which flew prior to Willy gaining controlling interest in Bayerische Flugzeugwerke retained the Bf prefix in the same way we'd call a Jaguar a Jaguar not a BMW nor a Renault a Nissan simply because ownership of the marque changed. e.g. Bf 109, Bf 110. OTOH, New designs flown introduced post aforementioned change were assigned the Me prefix. e.g. Me 210, Me 410, Me 262. We all know what people are referring to with either prefix of the 109, but the prefix Bf is correct.
I believe the slow roll is now called the lag roll? I should point out, too, that the original Immelman was not a vertical pull into an inverted position, but a 45 degree climb ending with a rudder over into a dive in the opposite direction.
awe, computers are kool, I just wonder what is the future in flight controls. Our experts are saying that, Russian, chinese ground to air Rockets would be disastrous for our combat planes. We need another kind of flight control other than the standard stick, rudder , aileron. this flight control system is 100 years old.
In every real conflict dogfight is always present. Now days pilots in the U.S. don't even train in dogfight because they say it doesn't exist no more. Keep dreaming....
Now days pilots in the U.S. don't even train in dogfight because they say it doesn't exist no more. Wow. Such BS. The US has the greatest dogfighting school in the world, mainly because it has the greatest number of experienced combat pilots. google "TOPGUN" , "NAWDC" and "NSAWC"
My dad flew Mustang P51Ds during WWII. He used to take me up in a Cessna in the 80s and 90s and do all those Aerobatic maneuvers. I used to love them so much and he did it so easily like it was second nature. I never realised that it was this complex to learn. I remember at one stage we were doing a barrel roll and I started to black out from the G Forces. I then just blacked out and woke up again to see my dad still flying the plane ! I was just astonished and is something Ill never forget.
+Alfa Won Either your memory is flawed ...or your dad couldn't aerobat for sh1t. A correctly executed "barrel roll" is a +1g manoeuvre throughout. i.e. the same +1g you experience sitting at your PC/MAC. It is one of the easiest and comfortable manoeuvres to fly beyond straight and level. Even a chandelle requires more 'g'.
Your quite an offensive individual who ever you are. Sorry my dads not around to explain what he was doing but hes passed on now. What ever areobatics he was doing in the cessna weather it be a barrel roll or snap roll or whatever there called I blacked out. So my memory is not flawed. If I blacked out I blacked out. Some respect for our war veterans would go along way as well.
Ok I see we have a troll looking for trouble. Say whatever you like from here on I wont be replying.
+Alfa Won Correcting misperceptions or truth telling isn't trolling.
That's awesome. Your dad sounds like he was quite the man. You gotta know what you're doing to even think about that stuff. More than that - he sounds like he had it automatized!
*adapts maneuvers for war thunder*
LOL that's why I'm here
@@djbenihana88 aren't we all?
@@ForeverMrZaphaell best part: all the advice still applies (had to learn the hard way to never turn with a Zero, LOL)
*Same but for Battlefield V*
Exact reason why I'm here. Playing without mouse aiming makes it more difficult since I dont have a computer flying my plane for me with unrealistic dynamics... I'm knew to the game on ps4 so I dont have a squadron to fly with
Watching this before flying WW2 planes via VR, it all translates surprisingly well.
Interesting to think that some people actually watched this to learn and then go fight for real in ww2
I'm watching this to learn real aerobatics in a Citabria ahaha
These tutorials are also great for flight simulators like IL-2 and Rise of Flight.
dixievfd55 yep exactly what I watch these for
Not to mention the fact they had a real clue of what could happen to them if they failed the lessons...
Those aerobatic maneuvers performed by Fairchild Pt 19 like a loop, during the plane was in inverted flight their engines made a " cough cough "noise, as I remember during the time those planes were in use at my home town flight club, about 50 years ago...
Anybody was watching this to see if it would help in playing Warthunder?
Yes :)
omfg yes.
yes, because I suck at sim :(
did it help anyone?
Will Cruz Probably not, cuz War Thunder isn't realy realistic.
The reason why allied fighter pilot aces did not get more then 50 aerial victorys/kills was because at 50 the pilot was sent home to train new pilots. That way, while the luftwaffe had a couple of aces with very high kill counts but a lot of extremely bad pilots who did did not achive anything and got shot down on their first mission, on the allied side the average pilot was much better trained and experienced then the average luftwaffe pilot leading to more aerial victorys overall.
My flight instructor canceled my training when I tried these in his Cherokee!
LMAO you rock dude. I wouldn't have dreamt of doing that in my trainer. The lessons and licensing and everything were so expensive as it was and I was nearly broke anyway, but wanted . . . no NEEDED that license lol. But it would be SO much fun doing this stuff in *any* plane (well, any capably built plane). :)
Most trainers are not rated for aerobatics. A high time pilot once told me that turbulence will put more stress on an airframe than most aerobatic maneuvers. If you have a G meter look at it after your flights. It’s pretty interesting how even what seems like light turbulence can put 2 G’s on the airplane. I’m not sure what you pull in an aileron roll or a loop but it can’t be much. Obviously don’t try it unless the airplane is certified for aerobatics, you don’t want to be a test pilot!
Not do these in a Cherokee dummy...not certified; perhaps a citabria 180 hp...
As horrendous as it might look for some, this war put a whole new spin (many spins, turns, etc.) in aviation skills and brought up some of the biggest lessons for future aviators.
The commentary mentions that the British Spitfire pilot did not know his aerobatics, and not acrobatics, as well as the German pilot. It's not that British pilots could not good at aerobatics, it is that they did not have time to learn. Often they arrived at their squadrons with as little as ten to twelve flying hours during training. Later, after the Battle of Britain they had more time to train.
The Germans, on the other hand, had been flying in Spain during the Spanish Civil War.
The Germans had a training program that began early and continued up to the war. Funny how the USA was training pilots before the war in different programs. It is almost like they knew we were going to war soon.
man imagine a modern fighter pilot is able to time travel back to this era and explain the mechanics of turbine engines to these past heroes
You've got pilots confused with mechanics. You're also forgetting that the first jet aircraft flew 4 years before this film was made.
That time-traveling figther pilot would be talking to them about Energy-Manuverability Theory and Air Combat Manuvering.
this is the "40 40 40" pt 19 fairchild its fly at max 40 miles, stall at 40 miles and land at 40 miles
Awesome video. Thank you.
this is fkn awesome broooo...this is my dream to buy my own me 109...i love the brutal sound of that engine and it can do mach 1.00 at a brutal dive...thats fucking crazy shit brother...
outstanding video
aerobatics, surely, not acrobatics
+Ian Mellows Acrobatics before your time.
thats true it was refereed to as acrobatics in the early years. to the end of 1914, we started calling it aerobatics
aerial acrobatics is aerobatics
So, do you use to correct your grandparents too, you fool?
What's wrong correting our grandparents, if they know something which is semantically wrong?
Funny, how I remember those type seat belts. Thanks for sharing.
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love that subtle not so subtle dis on the Brits at the beginning
+Chris Nichols Like so much narrated documentary/instructional/movie/newsreel footage, the visual content doesn't match the voiceover. The purpose of theat commentary was to make the point. I didn't perceive it as 'dissing' the Brits. The narrator's point by association was "you too can be shot down if you don't know your stuff as well as your opponent" 'evidenced' by accompanying visual anecdotal reinforcement. If you failed to pick up on that as a member of this film's originally intended target demographic, you likely would have been a victim .....or washed out to become a ball turret or tail air gunner.o.O
Yeah Chris i picked up on that too.
The Blytonian but if you seen this video, that spitfire suddenly became an German plane all of the sudden. Also we saw that this was practice since during real war, that spitfire would evade as much as possible
Not exactly a dis, britain was the last country fighting the war with germany in europe, kinda makes sense for an example
Tomcat pilots in DCS can use this!
this is so awesome...i will cry from happynes if i have a plane like that...my dream plane is me 109 because of BMW's engine and its great performance
+Martin Giurov Bf 109 not Me 109, and it had a Daimler Benz (DB) liquid cooled inline engine not a BMW. With the exception of the early pre war production through early suffix Ds, DBs of varying sub revisons e.g. 601, 605 et al were installed in all models from E through K throughout the duration of the war. The Fw 190A series were BMW air cooled radial engined.
The Blytonian The Bf/Me argument can go both was as there is documentation to support both prefixes for that aircraft
@@theblytonian3906 it's actually messerchmit bf 109. So the correct term is Me 109. Historically proven that none of the soldiers, axis and allies, called it the BF 109.
@John Beauvais I 'ken yer argument, but the reality is, its official designation from the time it was conceived until well into production and initial years of service through C, D & E models was Bf 109. There is evidence that later in the war, a *few* documents errantly referred to the F G & K as the Me. If one wants to argue semantics, by convention and commonly adopted in use at the time and historically save the done nothing academic libtard left and know it all snowflake gen, any type which flew prior to Willy gaining controlling interest in Bayerische Flugzeugwerke retained the Bf prefix in the same way we'd call a Jaguar a Jaguar not a BMW nor a Renault a Nissan simply because ownership of the marque changed. e.g. Bf 109, Bf 110. OTOH, New designs flown introduced post aforementioned change were assigned the Me prefix. e.g. Me 210, Me 410, Me 262. We all know what people are referring to with either prefix of the 109, but the prefix Bf is correct.
Used to do wingovers. stalls in retrospect I am lucky to be here!210s 152 Aerobat!
My dad and I own this very airplane
"The established limit" a.k.a. the "hard deck."
I believe the slow roll is now called the lag roll? I should point out, too, that the original Immelman was not a vertical pull into an inverted position, but a 45 degree climb ending with a rudder over into a dive in the opposite direction.
It was called "gravity assisted turn"
I see comments on this video that are according to youtube months, even years old??
It is funny how the seat belts haven't changed over the decades. ;-)
+General Ripper1964 Like their fasteners/buckle, actually they have. Their function hasn't.
Remeber kids, never retard the stick to esrly
I thought I would see pilots in vests and shorts jumping on trampolines and walking across tightropes...
Oh god everyone here is training for war thunder
vertical reverse also known as today's jinking?
yes, M here because m getting killed in War Thunder............
What I learned. TOP RUDDER TOP RUDDER TOP RUDDER TOP RUDDER TOP RUDDER TOP RUDDER USE IT
that poor spit at the beginning was outnumbered atleast 2v1
Lol most of this is just how to move the plane. And how wind affects what. I was hoping for actual advanced maneuvers:/
awe, computers are kool, I just wonder what is the future in flight controls. Our experts are saying that, Russian, chinese ground to air Rockets would be disastrous for our combat planes. We need another kind of flight control other than the standard stick, rudder , aileron. this flight control system is 100 years old.
This will come in handy for Battlefield
In every real conflict dogfight is always present. Now days pilots in the U.S. don't even train in dogfight because they say it doesn't exist no more.
Keep dreaming....
Now days pilots in the U.S. don't even train in dogfight because they say it doesn't exist no more.
Wow. Such BS. The US has the greatest dogfighting school in the world, mainly because it has the greatest number of experienced combat pilots.
google "TOPGUN" , "NAWDC" and "NSAWC"
M McLaurin80 Not to mention the events when a bunch of countries all have wargames together. Red Flag or something.