Trust Me, I'm Lying!

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  • @bobblebardsley
    @bobblebardsley 2 ปีที่แล้ว +227

    I do love a wrogn puzzle, although I'd suggest fixing the z-index of your minimum/fortress cell symbols because they seem to be hidden behind the purple lines, and I would have taken that to mean that the rule only applied to the indicated cells, and not necessarily to all four orthogonally adjacent cells. Very minor gripe though and only intended as helpful feedback.

    • @mikael4790
      @mikael4790 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I found that quite confusing!

    • @justinfarmer8371
      @justinfarmer8371 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Yah I thought so too but if you read the rules it's clear

    • @bobblebardsley
      @bobblebardsley 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@justinfarmer8371 Yeah I think you're right really, although I thought 'orthogonally CONNECTED' might only mean those connected by a visible minimum symbol. Otherwise just 'any orthogonal cell' would work. Definitely a very minor thing though but it's not quite right for the symbol to only appear on 1-2 sides of the cell and should be a quick fix in the software/CSS for Sven.

    • @ojoegamer
      @ojoegamer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Out of context this comment is quite confusing 😂

    • @rnhk6800
      @rnhk6800 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thank you so much for this comment, I was stuck and thought Simon was blind!

  • @tedg1278
    @tedg1278 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Much simpler path near 39:00 to show that 7 can not be in the center cell of a box.
    1. A 7 in the center requires a 9 in the minimum cell above it.
    2. (previously established) The 9 in the minimum cell accompanies an 8 in the odd cell to its right.
    3. A set of 7, 8, 9 breaks the renban.

  • @Natzeit
    @Natzeit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Just discovered this channel. Now I'm finally caught up and watching the newest videos. Exciting!!

    • @matthewmayton1845
      @matthewmayton1845 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Welcome

    • @dingleford1611
      @dingleford1611 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      You'll soon realise CTC should come with a health warning! Just watching the two regular videos takes up a large chunk of your day, and if you try the puzzles yourself that's even more of your life gone, then there's the extras with Mark and Simon playing live video games, occasional podcasts, creators showing how they made their puzzles ...... . Sleep will soon be a distant memory!

    • @sloid32
      @sloid32 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Welcome to the circus of the man who says “Hmmm!” 🙂

    • @Jonas.Nilsson
      @Jonas.Nilsson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Caught up?! How many hours of ctc did you watch before you... 🤣

    • @Natzeit
      @Natzeit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Jonas.Nilsson too much, i had covid and nothing to do for 2 weeks. so i made a rug and watched sudoku

  • @thesledgehammerblog
    @thesledgehammerblog 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    I have to admit to being a little confused by the anti-minimum cells because I only saw arrows on 1 or 2 sides, so it wasn't until the rule was demonstrated that it made sense. Will need to try again later knowing that.

    • @shellyschofield9527
      @shellyschofield9527 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      what happened was that the arrows for the other sides got hidden under the purple, they are there but we can't see them :P

  • @warren_r
    @warren_r 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    My time on this one is 39 minutes. I love the identical 39-boxes throughout... it makes the puzzle look ridiculous from first glance, but it actually gets the solver asking the right kind of question: "Well, if 6 can't go there, where does it go?" ..... super cool. Hope to see more of this constructor on the channel in the future.

  • @Chefofdeath793
    @Chefofdeath793 2 ปีที่แล้ว +242

    Hello Chefofdeath here (formerly disasterinprogress but LMD didn’t let me use that name for some reason)
    Glad you enjoyed the puzzle Simon! This puzzle was inspired by Rubenscube’s puzzle “The Aquarium” which is my absolutely favorite sudoku! I thought of this idea of doing a version of a grid full of swordfish with “wrogn” constraints a while ago, but it took a lot of testing to be able to find things. As I went I kept finding weird logic that I really enjoyed! What was interesting to me is that the eight’s having to be next to the the minimum cell on both sides caused 4’s or 2’s to surround the same digit in the min cell due to the 48 pairs. It was really fun to make and mad respect to the head honcho rubenscube for his masterpiece and inspiring this puzzle 😁

    • @somethingdiscreet
      @somethingdiscreet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Amazing puzzle. It's so interesting to see so many rules working together without getting in each other's way. Plus the symmetry is so satisfying.
      Although based on the title I kept expecting there to be some twist at the end that broke the pattern. I would have been second guessing myself the whole way. Great work!

    • @rubens_cube
      @rubens_cube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      It is awesome to hear that people still remember my Aquarium puzzle. The fact that it is you favorite puzzle is an honor to me! Congratulations on making this awesome twist on it!

    • @Paolo_De_Leva
      @Paolo_De_Leva 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@rubens_cube Your *Aquarium* was great. Here is the CTC link:
      👉 th-cam.com/video/DUlfr6jmaNA/w-d-xo.html

    • @Paolo_De_Leva
      @Paolo_De_Leva 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Let me explain the elegant logic described in your cryptic comment. At playback time 53:30, you can create "48" pairs in every box by:
      🔹placing *2* in *r3c8* (by anti-min-cell logic)
      🔹removing *2* in anti-kropky-dots that already contain *1*
      As shown by Simon, in rows *1, 4* and *7* there must be an *8* on the right side of an anti-min cell containing a *9.*
      Also, in rows *3* and *6* there must be an *8* immediately above an anti-min cell containing a *9.*
      Hence, in short:
      🔹in rows *4* and *7,* the *9* must be next to two *8s* (on its top and right sides).
      As a consequence, due to the *48* pairs:
      🔹in rows *4* and *7,* the *6* must be next to two *2s* (on its top and right sides).
      🔹in rows *4* and *7,* the *7* must be next to two *4s* (on its top and right sides).

    • @mukaiba1
      @mukaiba1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      When I saw the puzzle, I immediately thought, "This is another Aquarium!" To see that you were inspired by that puzzle is just awesome to me! And I'm with you - Aquarium is probably my favorite solve after the original Miracle Sudoku!

  • @purple4395
    @purple4395 2 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    That Simon doesn't immediately sees that the 248 triple's are a triple sword fish is driving me crazy.

    • @MoD366
      @MoD366 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Same here. Especially when he then had that eureka moment with the 679 overlapping swordfishes and he still didn't acknowledge poor 248.

  • @inspiringsand123
    @inspiringsand123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    Rules: 05:31
    Let's Get Cracking: 08:32
    Simon's time: 49m36s
    Puzzle Solved: 58:08
    What about this video's Top Tier Simarkisms?!
    The Secret: 5x (10:36, 10:41, 10:41, 10:55, 11:30)
    Knowledge Bomb: 2x (07:25, 19:31)
    Bobbins: 1x (44:05)
    Maverick: 1x (05:05)
    Phistomefel: 1x (03:02)
    Nori Nori: 1x (52:13)
    And how about this video's Simarkisms?!
    Ah: 14x (04:57, 31:55, 34:36, 35:24, 36:28, 36:56, 38:24, 43:44, 44:05, 44:20, 45:25, 48:25, 48:27, 49:25)
    Hang On: 11x (06:22, 10:22, 16:21, 16:21, 16:21, 33:27, 36:56, 37:58, 51:04, 57:37, 57:58)
    Obviously: 11x (08:39, 19:30, 21:14, 27:11, 33:00, 34:41, 34:47, 36:39, 44:46, 45:35, 49:59)
    Sorry: 7x (04:28, 05:16, 30:04, 46:13, 46:13, 52:27, 57:44)
    I've Got It!: 7x (21:21, 51:37, 51:37, 51:37, 51:39, 51:41, 51:41)
    In Fact: 6x (02:35, 08:15, 08:18, 21:23, 23:48, 44:59)
    Goodness: 4x (51:19, 52:51, 54:00, 58:13)
    Clever: 4x (27:41, 27:45, 45:52, 47:43)
    Brilliant: 4x (58:08, 58:08, 58:08, 58:45)
    Stunning: 3x (58:15, 58:15, 58:19)
    What Does This Mean?: 3x (20:31, 41:34, 42:37)
    Pencil Mark/mark: 3x (11:55, 22:14, 40:23)
    Symmetry: 3x (08:53, 34:22, 48:10)
    Lovely: 2x (33:23, 38:30)
    By Sudoku: 2x (54:14, 54:35)
    Shouting: 2x (04:50, 46:15)
    Good Grief: 1x (30:00)
    What on Earth: 1x (09:26)
    The Answer is: 1x (39:44)
    Nonsense: 1x (44:11)
    Naughty: 1x (55:41)
    Stuck: 1x (56:39)
    Fascinating: 1x (58:30)
    Inarticulate: 1x (12:38)
    Straight Off the Bat: 1x (54:09)
    Come on Simon: 1x (46:32)
    Bonkers: 1x (08:15)
    Facetious: 1x (22:43)
    Magnificent: 1x (30:15)
    Puzzling: 1x (04:52)
    Wrogn: 1x (09:31)
    Progress: 1x (20:59)
    Wow: 1x (47:04)
    Ask A Silly Question: 1x (14:31)
    Let's Take Stock: 1x (30:31)
    Most popular number(>9), digit and colour this video:
    Ten, Forty Five (4 mentions)
    Nine (81 mentions)
    Blue (15 mentions)
    Antithesis Battles:
    Low (3) - High (0)
    Even (16) - Odd (8)
    White (8) - Black (0)
    Row (47) - Column (35)
    FAQ:
    Q1: You missed something!
    A1: That could very well be the case! Human speech can be hard to understand for computers like me! Point out the ones that I missed and maybe I'll learn!
    Q2: Can you do this for another channel?
    A2: I've been thinking about that and wrote some code to make that possible. Let me know which channel you think would be a good fit!

    • @prunabluepepper
      @prunabluepepper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Thank you this is just awesome ☺️

    • @MisterIncog
      @MisterIncog 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Very inspiring and quite sandy!

    • @smylesg
      @smylesg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      35:25 45:49 "What's that doing?"

    • @smylesg
      @smylesg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      41:23 42:38 "You guessed it."

    • @mikailvandartel
      @mikailvandartel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      WOAH wait is this a bot? But a good one???

  • @th.nd.r
    @th.nd.r 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    We are still on such an incredible run of puzzles. What a beauty of a debut! I hope to see more ChefOfDeath puzzles in the future! All the swordfishes and then the brilliant logic to disambiguate them at the end, so cool! Reminds me of that one puzzle that also has all swordfish which was one of my fav sudokus of all time. Great setting, and great solving Simon!!

    • @rubens_cube
      @rubens_cube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You mean The Aquarium?

    • @chironchangnoi
      @chironchangnoi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@rubens_cube I think he does mean your puzzle! My first thought when I started seeing all the swordfishies was that ChefOfDeath was doing a pastiche of The Aquarium, or maybe the two of you were in a contest to see how many aquatic lifeforms you could shoehorn into a sudoku (you still have him beat of course.)

    • @th.nd.r
      @th.nd.r 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rubens_cube YES THAT’S THE ONE! That one will always be in my memory, I remember being so happy when I watched the CTC vid on that one, thank you again for setting it!

  • @57thorns
    @57thorns 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    27:42 I have been screaming "swordfish on 6" while Simon did 1 and 3. And now he asks if 4 can go in the same row as a 248 triple? At least he found the 6 immediately after this.

    • @bennordstrom
      @bennordstrom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      27:08 yeah, he was having some strange blind spot in regard to the 248 triples. That sentence about the 2s is just hilarious gibberish. Lol

  • @kevinmartin7760
    @kevinmartin7760 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Simon didn't seem to realize that the 2/4/8 triples in the top right cells of each box constituted a swordfish on each of the three digits. Had he done so, and combined this with the odd cell in the middle bottom of each box, he would have quickly seen the other two swordfish on 2, 4, and 8, and since these all coincide, they would also turn into 2/4/8 triple centre marks.

    • @maljamin
      @maljamin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But the middle bottom of each box is not odd, right? Wrogn?

    • @kevinmartin7760
      @kevinmartin7760 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@maljamin Perhaps I was a but premature. Once you see that the 6's are forced into the center top cell of each box, the "odd" cell (which must be even) at center bottom must be 2/4/8, establishing a second swordfish on these digits.
      However, at 27:15 he says some nonsense like "so 2 obviously *is* in one of those cells [top right corners] so I can't rule it out of these cells [top center and top left cells]" and also muses about putting a 4 in the top center cells, so he clearly has not appreciated the existing swordfish on 2s, 4s, and 8s in the top rows and right columns of the boxes.

  • @pbush071987
    @pbush071987 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A very fun puzzle. A bit of logic that was proven in the video but not verbalized simply is that anytime you have two swordfishes on the same digit, you must have the third swordfish.

  • @LavenderGooms
    @LavenderGooms 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This puzzle is a ton of front-work and then just speeds through everything after the first digit goes down. It was satisfying as heck solving this one.

  • @ocaly
    @ocaly 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    He could've phrased the thermometer rule better(more lying).
    "Digits on a thermometer must not increase from the bulb end."
    Because they are all in one box in this puzzle to make the same digit not appear.

  • @SMTRodent
    @SMTRodent 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I loved this puzzle! For such a strange layout, it was oddly approachable, just a little mind-bending. Watching the solve was wonderful too.

  • @mikeychrisanthus9948
    @mikeychrisanthus9948 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    29:19. I can definitely see the "The Aquarium" inspiration in this puzzle, so I guess that's why I caught on quickly. Wrogn puzzles are always my favourites though, so this was delightful.

  • @Crystal-ef3dm
    @Crystal-ef3dm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    49:48 with some help from Simon. What a lovely puzzle!

  • @victormanjarinsala2253
    @victormanjarinsala2253 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Certainly reminds of the fish tank puzzle from about a month ago, which was fantastic. I love the wrogn twist though!

    • @feldegast
      @feldegast 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I thought the same... It's a wrogn fish tank!

  • @PauxloE
    @PauxloE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great puzzle, even though I didn't find everything without Simon's help (specifically, the idea to look at the sixes).
    When ignoring the asymmetric clues (i.e. the Vs, the horizontal kropki-dots and the whispers line), there are some repeating patterns throughout the grid:
    → When you place one 8 or 9, you can place all the others in the column of three boxes: an 8 in the bottom of its box forces a 9 below it [or on the top of the screen for the bottom boxes] and a 8 besides that one], as well as the 9 diagonally above it, and then in the third box the 8 and 9 need to be together on the termo. The vertikal dot above the 8 needs a 3 (because in the other two boxes that would beside an 24 pair).
    Of course, we don't know yet which of these three options (in each stack of boxes) have the 8, but now the assymetric clues come into play: The horizontal dots exclude one of the options each (as beside the 3 we'd get a 24), the missing whispers get us the 1 and the existing whispers catch the 5s for the 9s.
    → The X on the termos made sure that we got only 3 options: 98, 26, 47, instead of additionally 27+46.

  • @thomasstegen3507
    @thomasstegen3507 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was smiling throughout :)
    I love how the communication between boxes is only through normal sudoko rules plus the less than, while all the other rules communicate within boxes. This means you can create a set of rules that gives possible positions for all the digits within a box and then break the ambiguity by having slight variations in the boxes that identify the orientation of the grid.

  • @johnh2052
    @johnh2052 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 35:00, looking at the Xs was a good idea, but Simon was looking at it from the wrong direction. Instead of focussing on thebulb, look at the 248 in the tip. If it's an 8, then the bulb must be a 9. The 4 can't go with the 6, so that means if it's a 2, it goes with the 6. So, if the tip is a 4, the only options are 5 and 7. This is the start of understanding that a lot of pairs are forced.
    Similarly, consider the white dots in column 2 (or 5 or 8). If the centre cell of the box is a 3, then the cell below must be an 8. If the centre cell is 1, then the cell below must be a 4. So, what goes with the 2? It's also limited to 5 and 7 at this point.

    • @RichSmith77
      @RichSmith77 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ... and below the 8 (that's below a central 3), you must have a 9, and that must have an 8 to its right. 🙂
      I found a few of these relationships. I ended up bifurcation to solve eventually though. The main piece of logic of Simon's that I missed was that 7s couldn't go in the centre. I could complete a logical solve with that missing piece.

  • @georgeaman1938
    @georgeaman1938 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another nice puzzle. I like when Simon said maybe this puzzle is a troll. 😂😂 Thank you Simon and the maker of the puzzle.

  • @philipmiller0802
    @philipmiller0802 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wonderful, so glad I got through that one!

  • @wariolandgoldpiramid
    @wariolandgoldpiramid 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm used to Wrogn puzzles being crazy and chaotic.
    What I was not expecting to see something so clever and fascinating.
    The way all these sword fishes interacted together, the way we managed to pencil mark the whole grid. It was amazing.
    But the entire time, as we were getting closer to that point, I kept thinking, "how is this going to work? Because even with little assymetries in the clues, there's just too much symmetries in the boxes. And every box simply stands on it'd own. How on earth are we going to disambiguate them?"
    And it turned to be that little minimum-maximum clue!
    I completely forgot that the Min-Max cells go between boxes, and we can use that one little thing to tie the boxes together, and tidy up the whole grid from there!
    Beautiful, absolutly beautiful.
    And I'm really supriced that the final grid has boxes symmetry.
    I really should have been able to guess from the clues, that Boxes 1-5-9 are identical, Boxes 2-6-7 are identical, and Boxes 3-4-8 are identical. I should have guessed that just from seeing the symmetry of the clues.
    And yet I haven't, and I'm surprised by seeing the final grid. Yet it all makes perfect sense.
    Really beautiful grid, wonderful logic.
    And that one little step, where we use the Min-Max cell to actually go between two boxes, that was really something.

  • @TheTheHellbean
    @TheTheHellbean 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel like the thumbnail should have been a picture of Mark in the spirit of wrogn

  • @sanabas1
    @sanabas1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very late commenting as I only did this today. Once getting all those swordfishes, it meant that each of the 3 boxes was forced with the common constraints, except for the top left and bottom right digit in each box. e.g. 8 in the thermo tip needs 9 below it, 4 in the thermo tip can't have 6 and must have 7 below it, so 26 are a thermo pair. At that point I basically ignored the grid and used pen & paper. For the three boxes with the extra white dot, the middle row options are 239, 456, 817, so must be 817. And the fortress cells mean the box above has 456, the box below has 239, and now you can fill in everything at once except the top left & bottom right, and the boxes without the whisper line must have the 1 bottom right, which finishes the puzzle.
    A lot of fun to do, quite different to most puzzles.

  • @Gonzalo_Garcia_
    @Gonzalo_Garcia_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    27:36 for me. I tried my hardest not to bifurcate everything from the beginning, but I’ll admit some of my latter logic was very close to just guessing. Very nice puzzle anyways!!

  • @salionshatterstar
    @salionshatterstar 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I found Cracking the Cryptic after googling "what the heck is a swordfish?" and having Simon explain it for me. Now to my surprise, I spotted each of the swordfishes before Simon did! Unexpected and fulfilling.

  • @jolyonbloomfield7431
    @jolyonbloomfield7431 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a glorious, glorious puzzle. Bravo!

  • @SqueakSqueakleton
    @SqueakSqueakleton 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Before I even begin to watch the solve this reminds me of my favorite CTC video in which Simon curses Mark for giving him a wrogn puzzle and it took him an hour and a half to solve! Classic!

  • @no_name4796
    @no_name4796 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    43:15 this is just beatiful!

  • @LixLorn
    @LixLorn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Am-AZING fun to watch. I had a go and spotted the 39+6 thing immediately, and the 248 triple it created, but almost immediately had to give up and follow the video. Liar puzzles look so fun, but it'll be a while before I can do one! Thank you!

  • @NunoSalvaterra
    @NunoSalvaterra 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The joke about the anti-aircraft gun cracked me up 😂

  • @LednacekZ
    @LednacekZ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    took you 35 minutes to "Goodliffe" the grid. Mark would have done it in under 5.

  • @purple4395
    @purple4395 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maximum swordfish puzzles are always fun

  • @flobiish
    @flobiish 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @45:33 You've eliminated the 4s from next to the 1s via V, but isn't that V actually redundant as you could also remove 4s from the same square using the white dot above it since 4 can't be next to 3 or 5?

    • @james0xaf
      @james0xaf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It feels over-constrained once you get a few digits and there ends up more than one rule forcing particular digits, I'm not sure if all the rules were necessary to produce a unique puzzle.

  • @paulpieralde1653
    @paulpieralde1653 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I absolutely loved this puzzle and your solution to it. I saw the first swordfish, but could not possibly expect to see the entire grid swordfish-ified. Truly masterful and a wonderful hour of my life spent watching pure genius.

  • @GekkeToine
    @GekkeToine 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    123 minutes for the solve without watching your video... Proud of that one

  • @crystalgehrt8861
    @crystalgehrt8861 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Swordfishified and sorted! Crazy looking grid, but much fun to be had.

  • @morganlouden3850
    @morganlouden3850 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I showed the blank puzzle to my partner (who does not sudoku) and he gives a nervous laugh and goes "sudokus with threatening auras"
    I think he might be right 😅

  • @joelstevens5670
    @joelstevens5670 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As much as I rate Simon as a solver, this sudoku definitely did not play to his strengths! Not only were there a lot of arrays to keep track of but the boxes contained repeating patterns which if you noticed them made filling out the puzzle much easier! Unusually, finding all the swordfish was perhaps the easier part of the puzzle (provided you know what they are and how to approach looking for them), while the harder part was probably identifying which of the digits were constrained in the resulting grid of arrays. I expect the fact it was a ‘wrogn’ style puzzle was a little distracting to Simon so he did well to get through it. In any case, it was a lot of fun to solve. :)

    • @ry-guy_
      @ry-guy_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It seems like Simon prefers not to go off patterns since it can sometimes feel a little cheesy as a solving technique and with the brilliance of some of the setters could be a trap lol.

  • @allylee3024
    @allylee3024 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh My! What a great puzzle! I love how the puzzle uses older rules but made new logic by reversing them. The symmetry was beautiful. Seeing all killer cages had 39 made me almost quit. After watching Simon get started, I was able to finish. The triple triple swordfish was very amusing.

  • @AugustoValentini
    @AugustoValentini 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This reminds me of a genius puzzle you did a while ago which had 3 swordfishes on every number. I can't remember its name though 😢

    • @JS...
      @JS... 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Aquarium by Rubenscube. th-cam.com/video/DUlfr6jmaNA/w-d-xo.html

    • @rubens_cube
      @rubens_cube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Are you referring to my puzzle called The Aquarium?

    • @Chefofdeath793
      @Chefofdeath793 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@rubens_cube and it indeed was inspired by your puzzle! It has been my favorite puzzle ever since I’ve seen it, and couldn’t help myself but make my own twist of it 😁 thank you for the inspiration!

    • @rubens_cube
      @rubens_cube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Chefofdeath793 Wow, that is awesome to hear! I am very happy you liked the puzzle so much that it's your favorite. The twist you gave it was very cool too!

  • @noclearreaction
    @noclearreaction 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    27:24 You are missing a swordfish on 2s and 4s in the columns (and rows). It is a whole school of swordfishes!

  • @przemekmajewski1
    @przemekmajewski1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We also have done that in about an hour! At first it struck me as kinda mad and ugly, that all the constraints (especially even/odd and minimum) are reversed. I thought of it as kinda "funky without purpose", but while solving it really showed a great geometrical beauty incorporating many interesting sudoku jellyfish and a lot of new logic. Turned out to be REALLY FUN!

  • @karlwaugh30
    @karlwaugh30 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lovely. My final break was a bit different. I had the anti-thermo containing an 8 had to contain a 9 below it and managed to locate which "type" of square it laid in. And then when trying the 3 in the middle square it then unraveled.

  • @wirelessbaguette8997
    @wirelessbaguette8997 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is my first time doing a puzzle faster than Simon! I managed to finish in 36:51. I wonder if having less experience with the standard versions of all these rules made it a bit easier for me to not get confused. I loved how the symmetry starts you off and then it’s the little breaks in symmetry that get you your actual digits!

  • @timonjur
    @timonjur 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    First time leaving a comment here. Great solve, even better puzzle.
    And I'm happy to say this is the first puzzle that I solved faster than Simon 😁 (33:52)

  • @JonnyKaufmanTenor
    @JonnyKaufmanTenor 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This puzzle is fantastic, and so is your idea for "The Man Who Says 'Hmm...'" 😄 Will follow it immediately.

  • @noahvale2627
    @noahvale2627 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the beautiful color patterns with the triple swordfishes.

  • @rhoadeshouse
    @rhoadeshouse 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Simon: I saw th length of tje video and like for all puzzles above 45:00 minutes, i knew, i wouldn't be capable of it, so i just rather watched your way of doing it and it was very entertaining.

  • @teruokun-us
    @teruokun-us 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Got it in 25:52! Very enjoyable overall and loved how each restriction had a very specific role without overcomplicating and evaluating more than a few rules at any one point

  • @SPAMCAN29
    @SPAMCAN29 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Significant channeling of pencil Mark. Just the look of the amount of information hurt my brain

  • @jonotick
    @jonotick 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The third (or second in my case) lot of 1s can easily be placed if you switch to looking at column 2 instead of rows. It can't go in the top row as it has to be greater than, it can't go in the bottom row as it is even, so it has to go in the middle. Exact same logic used to place it in the first row.

    • @jonotick
      @jonotick 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      and the 3s :)

  • @craigthorsen
    @craigthorsen 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful! Mahalo Tor

  • @javsjavs8659
    @javsjavs8659 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Genuine question here. Aren't minimum boxes supposed to represent that the value is lower (well in this case higher) than the cells that are pointed by the > sign? Why does Simon say the minimum cell has a "greater than" relationship with cells that don't have this sign between them?

    • @kitlith
      @kitlith 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It *is* supposed to be all surrounding cells, but there's a rendering order issue -- the purple line is covering up the > signs.

    • @javsjavs8659
      @javsjavs8659 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kitlith I see.. I feel so dumb. Thanks for answering

  • @menturinai1387
    @menturinai1387 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely magnificent!

  • @emdivine
    @emdivine 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:21 I enjoy the implication that you do in fact have an anti-aircraft gun, you are just opting not to use it because to do so would ultimately be too bothersome.

  • @JAnaya-pe2mn
    @JAnaya-pe2mn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Before clicking the video, i was 100% sure that it was Samantha mukkerji puzzle...... using swordfish trick again.

  • @user-jn4sw3iw4h
    @user-jn4sw3iw4h 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    46:20
    the 'obvious' thing seems to be that the 'V' hint was completely useless.
    as all it did, was eliminates 4 from cells that may not be adjecent to 3 or 5......
    (which hints to me, I must be missing something)

  • @steve470
    @steve470 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    31:22 for me. Very enjoyable puzzle!

  • @jonotick
    @jonotick 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can place the 6 in box 3 as soon as you have placed the first 1. On the green line the 9 must go with the 5, the 7 with the 4 leaving the 6 to go with the 1. You can also match up the thermos right away. 8 must go with 9, 6 CAN'T go with 4 so has to go with 2, so 7 goes with 4.
    Of course I made an error of logic choosing between the 2 and the 8 on one of the Vs and went down the wrong path, rendering most of what I had discovered redundant - but the X's can be very useful much earlier than just the final disambiguation!

    • @RichSmith77
      @RichSmith77 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why must 9 go with 5, 7 with 3 (I assume you meant 3), 6 with 1? What's to stop 9 with 1, 6 with 3, 7 with 5, for example? Lots of other options as far as I can tell. Note, the 1 isn't on a green line so can go with any of 6,7,9. The only combination ruled out is 3 with 9 on a green line.

    • @jonotick
      @jonotick 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RichSmith77 yeah I dunno what I was talking about now looking back at it. I knew there was no green line there but must have assumed there was in my line of reasoning! I can't see any other way to convince myself I was right :)

  • @kana2112
    @kana2112 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    70:37 This was the first wrogn puzzle I attempted. So glad I did. Lots of fun!

  • @solfeinberg437
    @solfeinberg437 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Okay, I took some breaks. But this took me 4 hours. I'm still proud of it. I got serious de ja vu (spelling?). Didn't we do a very similar puzzle. I had 248 exclusive swordfish. And swordfish all over on 1's, 3's. (I think they went together). 9's. And just peeled back little bits at a time. Does anyone brag about finishing earlier than they actually did? Because comments always say "took me 30 minutes" or "I never could've solved it, but I liked watching Simon or was able to follow his logic". Am I the only one who takes 4 hours?!

  • @paulc2335
    @paulc2335 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Title: Trust Me, I'm Lying. First line: Normal sudoku rules apply. Hmm... Great solve though, Simon!

  • @penningmeestercgkdelft9159
    @penningmeestercgkdelft9159 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I absolute loved the previous puzzle with 27 swordfishes lately, so it is quite nice to see that even a wrogn version can be made of that. :-) However, the rule "digit in a minimum cell must not be smaller than any of the orthogonally connected cells" is syntactically ambiguous (!). I bumped into that problem when trying to solve the puzzle. Does it mean that the wrogn minimum cells are just not strictly minimum cells (which is only negative information, see e.g. the "chaotic wrogn" puzzle by Undar Beyond), or does it mean that they are in fact maximum cells (which provides huge positive information)? I see that Simon assumes the latter, which turns out to work quite well and leads to the desired solution. But it would be defendable to assume the former when you strictly interpret the rule set, yet that would provide insufficient information to find a unique solution, I believe. Hence, the only slight flaw of this rule set could be that this specific rule is in fact not wrogn at all, it just implies the positive opposite...
    I'll need to switch to a different account and nickname soon, but I felt this remark should be made using my old account. Yet I will keep following the channel anyway :-)

    • @RichSmith77
      @RichSmith77 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think the rule wording is ambiguous. If it had said "the cell must not be smaller than ALL of the connected cells", then I think the meaning could be ambigous, but the fact it says "ANY", and not "ALL", means it has in fact be larger than all connected cells, so acts as a maximum fortress cell.

  • @callumvlex7059
    @callumvlex7059 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That puzzle was so beautiful

  • @derekjc777
    @derekjc777 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the new app and have been trying out the free puzzles. Is it just me or is the first sample domino puzzle broken, ending up with an unsolvable deadly pattern of 5s and 9s?

  • @aloysiuskurnia7643
    @aloysiuskurnia7643 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The swordfish farm: the sudoku

  • @hubertnnn
    @hubertnnn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You can create a second youtube channel called "The man who said hmm" and upload daily, or maybe weekly. It shouldn't be a lot of work.
    Also you can make a third channel called "The man who said beep".

  • @stalledstorm775
    @stalledstorm775 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don’t know if you realised (maybe you did and just didn’t think anything of it) but there are 3 groups of equal boxes. Boxes 1, 5 and 9 are the same, boxes 2, 6 and 7 are the same, and boxes 3, 4 and 8 are the same

  • @ivanzivkovic7572
    @ivanzivkovic7572 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    48:44, very cool puzzle

  • @feniksix31
    @feniksix31 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Second time beating Simon 😁😁😁
    Did it in 31:41!! Amazing puzzle

  • @MisterM2402
    @MisterM2402 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    61:36 for me, although I needed two little hints for disambiguating the anti-minimum cells. I got the majority of the logic in around 20-30 minutes but then far too long to find the final cascading digits. Great puzzle, it's just my eyes to blame!

  • @andrewnanninga1966
    @andrewnanninga1966 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Super proud to say I finished this in 60 minutes!

  • @abdoroma6928
    @abdoroma6928 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the semetry in boxes 1, 5 and 9 and other boxes 😉😂

  • @yoyokid9102
    @yoyokid9102 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did it in 84 minutes. I loved it!

  • @purpleli4760
    @purpleli4760 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    25:08 I was trying to bifuricate and somehow stumbled on the correct solution?

    • @purpleli4760
      @purpleli4760 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Although I had gotten to where Simon got to at about 34:00 before trying bifurication.
      Coloring odds and evens makes it easier to see some swordfishes

  • @no_name4796
    @no_name4796 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    30:05 nice x27!

  • @hbmason3
    @hbmason3 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s a Goodliffe Fish!

  • @puritan745
    @puritan745 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome puzzle, Thank you, I think this might be the first and only time I beat simon :)

  • @mikailvandartel
    @mikailvandartel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would love to see The Man Who Says Hmmm!

  • @mikepictor
    @mikepictor 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    43 minutes. Really proud of that, I am so rarely under the video time, let alone that far under

  • @sandpiperbf9767
    @sandpiperbf9767 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Isn't the 248 row/column triple a swordfish on 2s 4s AND 8s? Feels weird that you didn't start with this.

  • @galacticmechanic1
    @galacticmechanic1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow I didn't take much longer than you to solve this without watching 1st. I usually take at least twice a long.
    There are 3 different configuration of boxes, one in each row and column, once you figure it out for a configuration of rules, it duplicates in all of the same. I coloured them in 3 colours.

  • @koepisking
    @koepisking 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What article will he read today and how will he say hmmm?
    I would love the daily guessing game that could be played 😂

  • @quinnencrawford9707
    @quinnencrawford9707 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i bet if you colored the grid it would be beautiful

  • @tsgsjeremy
    @tsgsjeremy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This puzzle was all about finding the Sesame Street squares: One of these things is not like the others. One of these things doesn't belong. 😂

  • @maniac7770
    @maniac7770 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So, not even halfway through the video, but I'm going to hazard a hypothesis based on oddity observations whilst following along: which is a concurrence of triples by boxes. That is to say there's three boxes where an extra rule does/does not apply (i.e. Boxes 2, 6 and 7 center are all possessed of a second white dot). Inclusive of the example just listed, Boxes 3, 4 and 8 are absent the anti-German whispers (French whispers?) but are also simultaneously the only ones possessed of the non-five sum restriction in their squares 8 and 9. We'll see if my observation leads anywhere.
    Edit 1: first disambiguation I spied is that in the multi-white dot boxes, 3 could not be the center digit, because while one digit could be 8 adjacent, you'd be left with either 2 or 4 on the other, which breaks.
    Edit 2: end of video, and my hypothesis was correct, though I didn't properly articulate it, in that the boxes, for the relevant triplicates around the grid, all mimicked each other.

  • @gabethegibble6375
    @gabethegibble6375 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    There needs to be a wrogn puzzle app.

  • @ianoz1
    @ianoz1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    My breakthru was the 2/6, 4/7, 8/9 thermo pairs. Any other combination breaks.

  • @thej7984
    @thej7984 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fun fact: it's possible to do this entire puzzle without using the thermos at all. I know because I am dumb and completely forgot about them, even though I was staring at them the whole time.

  • @awilliams1701
    @awilliams1701 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always get odd/even squares backwords so for those clues at least I would do well. lol For some reason circles and evens go together for me.

  • @matt5075
    @matt5075 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    More swordfishes! So I guess we can call this one “The (not so) old man and the seadoku” 😜

  • @slomopanic
    @slomopanic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The 7 in the middle of the box can be made impossible in a quicker way: if 7 goes in the middle it forces a 9 above it. And we already learned that an 8 in the upper right corner will always force a 9 aswell which means the result will be 789 on the purple line.

  • @keithcooke2321
    @keithcooke2321 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cracking the cryptic would not be complete without maverick.

  • @Aronstorme
    @Aronstorme 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    boy I hope you like swordfishes ;-)

  • @johnrupesh4535
    @johnrupesh4535 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pretty damn good. However, still far from Phistomefel, Clover and Sam. Those are the three kings of Sudoku setting world.

  • @_-_-Sipita-_-_
    @_-_-Sipita-_-_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    46:27 for me. i could hjave done much faster but i had to color them

  • @Gentleman217
    @Gentleman217 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    it was really an amazing one. thanks to the creator.