The World of For All Mankind EXPLAINED
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For All Mankind is a sci-fi series set in an alternate history where the Space Race never ended. But what are some of the key technological and cultural changes of this timeline, and are they really more desirable than our history?
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- CHAPTERS -
00:00 Intro
02:03 Sponsored Segment
03:19 Point of Divergence & Early History
09:34 Jamestown, Zvezda & Videophones
14:54 Sea Dragon & Pathfinder
17:34 70s & 80s Political Changes
21:12 Space Boom
23:31 Polaris & the Race to Mars
28:02 Final Thoughts & Outro - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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I would absolutely love to live in a timeline where we didn't abandon space exploration, so I'm there.
we're just gonna leapfrog at some point.
It's a very underrated serie. One of the best shows to date.
It's not underrated, the viewership was solid until they started pushing social agendas into the script and eventually became repetitive.
@Dr.Kananga "Started pushing social agendas into the script" like...equality?? I will say that a lot of Ellen's storyline and the legalization of gay marriage in 2000 stretches suspension of disbelief, but it's also a glimpse into a world that could have been if progress weren't held back for decades
@@Dr.Kananga Didn't it always address social issues? In the first season a woman is landed on the moon, which pressures America to also begin training women, accelerating the women's rights movement, culminating in the Equal Rights Amendment being passed. That's all in season 1.
@@OrangeRiverI agree with that, but it felt so forced and crammed it became repetitive, the theme of space flight became just a background for a soap opera. This has been happening across several series across the board, and eventually removed the fun or interest from watching them.
@@esceri1 Which is fine, I never said it wasn't. But it's that kind of topic that goes along well when there's the right amount in it. Too much hot sauce ruins the dish.
apple does a terrible job promoting its shows. I never knew this show existed, but now I want to watch it
A lot of these streaming services do a terrible job promoting their shows, sadly :/
"We come in peace for all mankind" ... in the middle of a cold war pissing contense
Thanks for doing this video on "For All Mankind". I've heard good things about the series.
@@kowmangbeltalowda7584Sir.
What are space operas?
@@bitter_one1336 "Malor Pagoda" is a wonderful Klingon opera.
It's not a soap opera in space. It has drama in which it follows characters lives which are important to the storyline. It's not an epic space show about aliens and space battles. It's grounded in realism and much of the show, despite being set in space, is in fact set in the past, by our perspective, 60s to 2000s and beyond.
The world for all mankind would be so much greater if Worf was allowed to win poker games again.
Thank you Orange River for bringing this to our attention.
My favorite part of the show is the nuclear power. Like, they don't get all NIMBY and surprise surprise global warming is just solved like it's nothing.
Too early to tell, but I dare say, that thumbnail switch was a good idea lol. Jokes aside, This seems like a super neat show that I may have to check out. Also, I like the fact that it's a longer video and that you were outside for some of it. I have no idea why that made me happy, but it did haha.
😂 Nice
It's a very interesting show if you'd enjoy a 'What if?' look at our history, if things had run on a slightly different trajectory and space exploration didn't fizzle out in the 70s and just charged ahead without stopping.
Ok, for new ppl getting into the show it starts slow first season but wait it out. It gets so damn good.
It does start slow. For good or worse, it does linger a little in the early days of NASA (when compared to later seasons) perhaps a little longer than needed. But once the show finds it's feet, each season roughly follows a decade and time jumps between seasons and keeps things fresher and interesting as it goes on.
I imagine their "internet" is closer to what we had in the 80s and 90s. Honestly, direct dial bulletin boards and forums, with the addition of Usenet and d-mail is all the Internet we really ever needed
Great video! Seriously one of the best shows of the last 30 years. I'm pretty excited to see what happens in season 5. Word on the street is that Ron Moore wrote it as a 7 season arc. So fingers crossed!
Hi Bob!
Hi Bob
My father is a retired Aerospace engineer. I knew I had to show him this as soon as the Corvette race in episode one started. We were both mesmerized by the possibilities and differences the show showed.
FAM is one of the best sci-fi shows I've ever watched.
can't wait to watch this!! I haven't finished the series but wow, S1 was awesome. S2 is really good so far.
Something I’m gonna mention because I’m in the middle of a rewatch of season four about in the middle of episode 9 Daniel Poole says that there are only 3 Star Trek shows, meaning they either stopped after DS9 or the accelerated rate of space development changed everything after TOS
I think the ones she was referring to were probably TOS, TAS, and Phase II, since according to Ronald D. Moore, Phase II got made in that universe. There was no Motion Picture, and Wrath of Khan was the first Trek film. I think all of the Berman era shows don't exist in that timeline :0
@@OrangeRiverthat is kind of unfortunate since DS9 is one of the best Star Trek shows of all time. A lot of the stories in DS9 simply wouldn't happen in For All Mankind. Terrorism that the Bajorans used wouldn't be as important a topic, it would be more 'hopefully" since Happy Valley, Jamestown, etc., exist. However, the loses to TV shows are nothing compared to the gains in FAM, so I would gladly take that.
Great summary of the show so far. The points of early divergence were especially interesting.
Very excellent work, as always! Many thanks - much appreciated!
I like the concept of For All Mankind, the visuals, the realistic progression of the technology, the movement forward on equality and society, but for me the melodrama was tedious to watch and I haven't seen any episodes passed season 4. The Expanse is top of the heap for me
And your seriously trying to say that
The expanse doesn't have any melodramatic components in it
You've got to be kidding me 😂😂😂
Have you even seen it whit your eyes open 😂😂
I never knew this show existed. GG Apple, just keep this stuff a secret.
It's great- check it out. Great musical drops too.
Hell yes! Glad you're covering this show.
Thanks for making this video. I really enjoyed binging this show and I’m happy they’re working on a new season!
Thanks for all your hard work man!
I love this show, I'm so glad you are covering it.
I presume, the Jamestown mention in The Expanse is Naren Shankar's way to honor his friendship with Ron D Moore. Since, they are good friends since Star Trek days and they even tried to develop a TV show together after Star Trek and before BSG, Ron talked about this somewhere. And The Expanse is known for a lot of references for the pop cultural things they like.
It's the Star Trek prequel you never knew you wanted.
Maybe mirror universe prequel especially with what went down in the last season. Ron Moore did work on Trek.
This show is absolutely wonderful. It's the sort of niche sci-fi that appeals to this old Star Trek riddled brain, and I hope that Moore gets his 7 seasons.
The attention to detail is phenomenal, and im so glad that you've pointed out things I've never noticed before.
Im not sure if I'd want to live in that world, but I hope that we can achieve some of the things we've seen so far.
Glad to see more reviews of this Alt History Sci-Fi/Drama
Great video. FAM is easily up there with the best sci-fi shows of this century.
One of the early changes in the characters of historical people was in how Mike Collins was portrayed during their version of Apollo 11. After the dicey landing, while Houston couldn't communicate with the LM, "For All Mankind" has Collins stating that he had gone over it with the mission planners before they left, and he was NOT coming home alone. They have him insisting that they either find Neil and Buzz, or they could say sayonara to the entire crew. Whereas, in real life, in his autobiography, Collins wrote of his actual perspective on the prospect -- that if Neil and Buzz failed to return from the landing attempt, "I am coming home, forthwith. But I will be a marked man for life, and I know it." To me, this was one of the biggest shifts in an historical character that the writers created. Later on in the series, altered events and the introduction of more fictional characters made such changes a lot rarer.
I bloody love For All Mankind!!!
22:42
I know everything space related gets lumped in with Musk.
However, the character "Dev Ayesa" has a lot more in common with "Steve Jobs" than Elon Musk.
Which makes sense, since this series is made by Apple.
I Would Say that "For All Mankind" be "Unofficial Prequel" to The Awesome "The Expanse" xd
Wait till the end for my thoughts on that :D
It's not though. In the world of "The Expanse" the environmental damage is more in line with our current world. "For all Mankind" world the environmental damage had begun remediating by the mid oughts. If "The Expanse" had been based on the "For All Mankind" world we would be much further out and much more developed though out the solar system. That time line had Fusion drive ships running between Earth and Mars in the early 21st century when in "The Expanse" the Mars colony really hadn't even had the seeds of it planted till the mid or late 21st century.
that would be a really fun connection if they could make it work haha
NO, absolutely not. Why would you suggest such a depressing idea?
@cowsagainstcapitalism347 The MCU broke people's brains and now everything has to be connected XD
Absolutely Love this show!
15:50 , small correction but Starship uses methane no Hydrogen
LET'S GET STARTED!@!!!@!@!@!
Should be on his Tshirts.
I've heard it described as a "spiritual predecessor" to Star Trek as opposed to a literal one. Asking the question of how you get to the sort of universe depicted in those shows.
There are some really strong nods to this, namely the increasingly warm ties between the US and USSR paralleling their implied quasi-merger in TOS (much more evident from interviews with those involved). Honestly my guess is this is largely why the USSR was kept around. My money is on something like that unfolding in the remaining 3 planned seasons - knowing RDM and hints dropped so far, probably the last season and with the long-rumored "Starship" as a focal point. But that's just my speculation.
In THIS show's timeline a LOT of things happen differently...and I'd likely have gone to work for a private space company! I like it there!
Love this show
The FAM timeline is so advanced they got eight years of Reagan over with by 1984 😂
LMFAO
Got about 1/3 of the way through before I realized I should probably watch this! Didn't even know about it, and it has Joel Kinneman who is a favorite of mine.
Kinneman's character is a gut-wrenching portrait of the sort of old-school military-discipline "man's man" who would have been quite respectable in the 60s but who weren't allowed to have emotions or weakness. The show makes you love the character and then makes you watch him gradually sabotage his entire life and legacy. It's gotta be a great performance, because it makes me very, very angry.
Great video. I don't think the series could work as a star trek prequel as Danny mentions the tv show and ensuring her grandson will be a trekkie.
That's really helpful. :) (I've only gotten to see scattered episodes at a friend's house so it's a little hard to keep up. :) )
I gotta watch this.
The For all Mankind easter egg in The Expanse more has to do with the Expanse showrunner being a writer for season 1 of FAM.
Great video. I don't like supporting Apple, but I might get this service just to watch this series.
Love that show!
YES!
I love this channel.
Thanks!
Thank you!
Bought the first season and now I'm HOOKED!!!
You forgot to mention that in 1981 Poland goverment did not declared Martial Law, hence intervention of Soviets was needed. They took over county and with it all coal and steelworks production centers that was there, so economy and capabilities of producing more material for space flight was increased by large margin.
I would love to live in for all mankind world! For All Mankind and The Expanse are my favortie shows of all time, and although we lost The Expanse I hope For All Mankind keep making seasons well into the future! It might not be a prequel but it sure damn could be a spiritual successor.
The first two seasons of this show is IMO objectively the most enjoyable SiFi-drama ever made. The latter two seasons are good but I don’t think reach the same heights. Something of note about the changes between our reality and the shows that I don’t believe you mentioned is that in the show NASA is allowed to generate revenue from the technologies it develops allowing it to be essentially self funded. As to the question, I don’t think that I would want to live in that universe however I do wish that the USA space program hadn’t been as deprioritized as it was in ours.
This seems more like a time travelers check list then a show recap.
? I mean, videos like these are always lore breakdowns and examinations of alternate worlds. I try explicitly NOT to make them just "show recaps"
@@OrangeRiver I meant it as a compliment.
@iindium49 Fair enough 👍👍
I find FAM to be a great show and I absolutely would find this timeline to be much more interesting. I do also like some of nuggets that are dropped like having Thatcher die in an IRA attack, while Lennon survives his assassination attempt and goes on to have a Beatles reunion concert tour. I mean some of the stuff is unrealistic but the idea of more countries becoming like China and Vietnam that combine communist and free market ideas has proven to be a bit more effective then the command style that the USSR used. Whether the space program would have actually saved the USSR in the long term is a more complicated question but its a fascinating look at how a few things could rapidly alter the timeline. I also agree it seems to serve more as a prequel for The Expanse and the labor issues are interesting for me as a union official for my union because the labor strike was one of the most realistic events that probably will happen as private industry tries to make money in space.
I love this show.
I think Naren Shankar works on both shows, FAM and The Expanse
I love this show!!
But,
In the first season the writers were dedicated to an element of realism. It was very believable.
However, by season 2, they made a lot of decisions that could never happen such as sending a space shuttle to the moon or solving nuclear fusion.
I was disappointed, but I'm over it.
10/10 would recommend this show.
It's utterly unbelievable. There is no way, even had the designer lived, that the N1 would have been anything other than a bomb on the launch pad. Period. I can't get enough suspension of disbelief to bother trying to watch that show.
Agreed. The depiction of science, geopolitics and economics are just too facile for me to be able to suspend disbelief.
I mean Dev seems to be an actually intelligent human being and not someone who relies exclusively on people interviewing him never asking hard questions so, yeah the parallels aren’t really that strong
😂 This is very true
Dev is literally a brilliant, successful physicist, whereas the "other guy" is more of a classic "fake it till you make it type"
Even though lack of technology was always given as the reason as 'why not...' it was always the lack of will. There was nothing we couldn't have done back then, it would have just been bulkier.
We could build Babylon 5 right now if we came together as a race and got it done. There is nothing on that station we can't do right now.
It's a Mobile Suit Gundam prequel guys
😂
Doing certain tech things much earlier would just be much more expensive...
I mean, yes and no. At first it would be expensive, but government funding of technology and the sciences often helps lower costs down the road.
That explains why the piles regolith and I can’t wait for star city
Some political developments in the show seem more sci-fi than nuclear fusion, nuclear drives or Mars colony in 2003, probably the greatest s-f show right now
The major reason i keep my apple sub. I can only access it on my pc and living room smart tv lol. I like space dramas, so im biased af.
CyberEd. I still believe.
The artificial gravity, rotating part of the Helios spacecraft cannot be done in space as depicted in the film. If this rotating part is placed in the middle of the spaceship so that the two parts are equal in weight, then it can work. Otherwise this is a great series.
l live in Latvia, a country whose citizens were in the process of being displaced by Russians during the Soviet era. Latvia as a nation simply would not exist in this timeline. So no, I'm very grateful that isn't the universe we inhabit.
You forgot the civil war in Saudi Arabia in the early 2000s. (Said in passing at NASA in season 4.)
The Beatles get back together in 1975. I'm all in.
OR is like ima stand by a bridge it will look cool ... it did
Way better then the handicapeable spaces
Hi Bob.
As someone watching the show for the first time with my gfs, and we haven't yet gotten past Season 2 Episode 2, thanks for the spoiler warning!
I could certainly see it as a prequel to "The Expanse" but not Star Trek...well, in the mirror universe perhaps. OK, now I'm confused
I’d love to live in the timeline/ universe of FaM.
1. Socialism is a much bigger thing. So many options available to live in a system that I actually agree with.
2. Technology is on such a better trajectory than our own
3. Earlier civil rights improvements such as marriage equality
4. Very cool spaceships!
I don't understand why people agree with a system that causes mass starvation and poverty across Africa, East Europe, South America and Asia.
I think originally he was supposed to be Thomas Schaffer but he’s a state said no
Dad talked out the Russians being first into space, the with a dog and lastly with a man and later a women, while the word seemly flounded, with failure after tradgety... We earnt the moon that hard way but having won, we gave up. What the show does is focuses on the race, sometimes loosing isnt being second, its not trying, giving up or focusing on the wrong thing like being first which while, well and good, isnt the same as exporation, discovery and advancements!
Is a great show. I just hate those pesky little details that mess with inmersion on the alternative timeline. I think if they ever need to sell DVDs a little post can solve much of it.
I still recommend this show. Great space drama.
I think they will confirm it in star city 16:26
Doto the Berlin wall, not be demolished 22:15
I liked the series
👍👍👍
What 'For All Mankind' needs is MUCH more Jodi Balfour. 👩❤️👩
16:45 Once again electric cars have always been a thing, it's never been a lack of technology. The oil industry and the car industry kept them down because they had a monied interest in doing it. Electric cars are much simpler than internal combustion and require less maintainance.
Its a Star Trek prequel... or The Expanse prequel. It works for both😁
...not really, which is why I make an argument against both at the end of my video 😅
The Cold War is not over in for all mankind
They're definitely at another detente in season 4, in relative terms at least
This is the only detente because Russia beat us to the moon and this one is a lot more success do you know what happens? during season 5 the Arab spring
Greece being socialist in a timeline where the USSR remained stable hardly seems questionable, even in our real life timeline Greece has had several socialist parties get elected (though has never actually implemented real socialism)
They were going to blow the moon 😅
K holy crap was that Grant MacEwan????
Currently Apple has the best sci-fi show out now, For All Mankind. They also have the worst sci-fi on tv, Invasion.
I think you were originally supposed to be Neil Armstrong
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@@OrangeRiver
you know the main character I think you were originally supposed to be no Armstrong but they change it to the Apollo 10 crew
As a German I officially call this show crap since it keeps my country divided until at least. 2003😢😡
Love that show, first season was awesome, others are still good to me, but quality is going down
I am greek. greece be communist in that timeline make a lot of sense
What I thought was interesting was that the show is played so straight a goofy boomer historical dramatization it made myself question what was historical and what was speculative.😂
Because it’s not a clown world
That was such a great series first season, good second season... and then sorry I wasn't able to watch what they did with it :/ Such a shame. Premise was just wonderful. But by the time they get to modern times it makes no sense with all the same characters still playing major roles in space race.
its not so bad, they handle race, religion (or lack of it in morals and goals set) as well as sexuality as it covers the cliniton sex scandal and obomas bi-sexuality which he was forced to deny to win his first term but allowed him to expand on the dont ask, dont tell of the millitary. Also the russians wernt all bad, they ddint need 60s race riots and equality bills as communism itself saw to that and 'each to his needs'. Over time Ive watch Russia become better American at the dream/lifestyle and the USA go ever more loony-left and society thats broken and the poor living like they used too under the last days of communism, thier only export, fear death and nato (buy american all you can eat death machines!)