THere's a 3DS game (I believe also an Android app) you could use for wriing based on the Kanji Kentei (it includes all 12 levels) th-cam.com/video/VT3gwLyNq-0/w-d-xo.html
Keeping it real and simple as usual mate! And many thanks for adding all these youtube channels in your recommended page. This is really helpful. Awesome!
Very impressive with how easily and clear you're explaining all this, mate. I'm getting closer to the end of RTK1, but a lot of what you said is still quite insightful, so cheers!
I was one of the few people who managed to do traditional RTK first try (Word on Front, Kanji on Back). I was lucky that I already had a basic understanding of the language and seeing the fruits of my labor really helped with motivation. It was super statisfying seeing these Kanji in the wild! Writing it out really helped with wrapping my head around characters that I couldn't even compreheand like 成 or 我. I have lost my ability to write over the years, but the meanings are still locked in my head! And if there's something I really want to write, I don't think it'd be hard to remember it again. I've mostly used visualizations rather than full on stories... and by the end, I was just memorizing the 声 part of the 形声 kanji Also, I really recommend changing keywords. Be sure to check in the back of the box to make sure you aren't using a keyword for a future kanji tho. I'd even use a Japanese word instead if I couldn't find a good one!
No but seriously I've been waiting for somebody to properly explain explain the 1st steps as soon as you finish RTK. I'm only about 500 words in to rtk but my retention rate is really good
I tried rtk with the stories and never finished because after a few hundred stories, my imagination was just tired and also the stories start to overlap so much using the same radical in so many stories, not to mention the time. I started dreading making the cards more than the studying. I think I will try with the brute force method lol. Sounds easier to me, since I already tried the other way.
I was one of those weird guys that learned kanji over the span of three years through university (not japanese major). I really respect the hustle of the people who learn kanji in obscenely short amounts of time but coming from the perspective of a stem major who didn't have a lot of free time Wanikani was the perfect pace. I really liked the system where you had to type out the furigana of each word because it made it a lot easeir to type Japanese once I finished with it. I'm able to read visual and light novels now with a little help with the dictionary whenever those rouge literary words that only shows up once in a blue moon comes up. While I'm happy with my progress in reading I do accept that there are way faster approaches to doing it but at the end of the day whehter it was done in 3 months or 3 years atleast it's been done. Now if only Omicron would end so I can start working in Japan already...
I hopw you can get to Japan soon mate! Yeah theres so many different ways to learn kanji that all fit for different people so I dont like the debate of what the best way to do it is. For some people WaniKani is the way to go and for some theyll do what i said in this vid. Really up to what the person wants to get out of it I reckon!
Currently learning chinese with immersion. But i did chinese Heisig and it took three months after all its 3k characters you have to learn. So glad i did it this way. So now i am just immersing and only need to focus on learning the pronunciation.
@@oojiman Feels nice to be able to recognise like 99% of characters. Its chinese so 3k wount cut it you need more like 4.5k but learn them at the go. I honestly dont get why refold no longer recommends Heisig, i have my suspicions though, they might want to earn some money with their 1k kanji deck.
Hey did you associate a story to each hanzi ? Or did you just brute force your way through without stories ? I'm about to start and not sure which approach to pick. Thanks.
I simply just included the kanji with each new word that has a kanji that I learned. I didn't find that RTK was necessary because after a few thousand words, I learned everything that I would have learned in RTK anyway. I don't think it's harmful, but it does feel like learning things twice which takes longer.
I wish I had had such a simple explanation of kanji when I started learning Japanese. But I must say even after having learned almost 10000 words in Anki I still find it a little difficult to learn a new kanji with a new kun-reading like 欺(あざむ)く because there's less patterns and no phonetic conponents for that in contrast to on-readings. But it gets easier and easier over time.
Yeah 100% verbs and that using a singular kanji with just one hiragana at the end always are the most difficult things to learn how to read i reckon haha. Like you said tho definitely gets easier over time
I have done that all… but my retention rate after 3 months was at 60%. I use mnemonics… some are not that great and others I mix up the meanings. Now after another two months the retention rate is at 67%. Would you go and correct that to say a retention rate of >90% or would you just continue doing Anki reviews? Or even delete the deck?
How many hours do you think you have spent immersing to get to your current level? I’m almost at 2,000 hour mark but far away from your level and it feels impossible to me😢
I just did the math and a rough guess would prolly be about 7000 hours. But it took me like around 4000 to get reasonably fluent in listening and speaking
@@ime5817 new vid coming out on that soon actually haha but i was at 7.5k at the end of that cos i was grinding for the jlptn1 doing 30 to 60 cards a day but after the test i deleted the deck and only made around 1.5k cards since then
Great video! I remember doing traditional RTK, it was so fucking painful haha. Btw, did you usually read the subs on TH-cam videos? Some people advocate against using Japanese subs on native media but I'm not a fan of reading books and stuff so I feel like that could be a pretty useful way to boost my reading skills.
I feel like reading is better done seperately to listening since if you do both at the same time is won't be very effective. I always did my best to not look at the subs its just a bit hard cos they are massive and right in your face haha. If you dont like reading books tho just read twitter, yt comments and websites and stuff tho I reckom
If someone wants to get good at writing kanji would you recommend learning radicals? In theory learning them would help distinguish kanji that may look similar and would help seeing the kanji with meaning and not just some random lines like you said. Also through your method of learning kanji would you say that learning kanji is somewhat of a byproduct of learning new vocabulary?? Because if we start with just the basic meaning of the kanji and then learn vocabulary we would be picking up new kanji readings. Right?
Awesome video dude but one question. Wouldn’t using R-RTK (the premade deck) be better? Cause you wouldn’t have to waste time making the cards and it’s the same knowledge. And from what I’ve heard, the format is also the same for those cards. So is there any specific reason that you chose to make your own cards? Other than the fact that RRTK contains only about 1500 cards and not 2000. But you could just make the other 500. It makes me very curious.
Nice dude! I've always seen it as there being sorta like a spectrum of how well you know kanji. Obviously the full, old-school RTK will make you really good. But you don't need that really. That said, I think Refold's JP1K where you learn words and readings at the same time a bit too far on the other side of the spectrum. It kinda (in my opinion) defeats the purpose and theory of RTK, learning it separate. I think R-RTK is the best balance really, the most useful 1000, and it's recognition rather than keyword. I imagine it would be a huge slog and very very painful to try and force readings, meanings, kanji and words in all at once, it's sorta like traditional language learning at that point right? Sending this to my mate straight away. You're a lot better at explain stuff than you give yourself credit for man 👍🏻
Yeah it really is a spectrum isn't it. I couldn't imagine trying to force readings, words and learning to recognize new kanji all at the same time either just seems like a bit much haha. Glad you enjoyed the video!!
I'm interested in how you were able to memorize 60 kanji a day at your peak (I think that's right?) without making stories with them. No mnemonics at all sounds kind of tough
50 i think but it was tough just had a lot of reviews cos of so many cards a day and cos i got a lot wrong but since reviews for kanji are so quick it wasnt that bad
THere's a 3DS game (I believe also an Android app) you could use for wriing based on the Kanji Kentei (it includes all 12 levels) th-cam.com/video/VT3gwLyNq-0/w-d-xo.html
Wow this is bloody awesome mate never knew something like this existed! Thanks for that!
Keeping it real and simple as usual mate!
And many thanks for adding all these youtube channels in your recommended page. This is really helpful. Awesome!
Very impressive with how easily and clear you're explaining all this, mate. I'm getting closer to the end of RTK1, but a lot of what you said is still quite insightful, so cheers!
Really glad to hear mate thanks for watching my vid!
looking foward to the rest of the videos in this series! love your videos!
Thanks so much! Next part should be coming out in a few days!
I was one of the few people who managed to do traditional RTK first try (Word on Front, Kanji on Back). I was lucky that I already had a basic understanding of the language and seeing the fruits of my labor really helped with motivation. It was super statisfying seeing these Kanji in the wild!
Writing it out really helped with wrapping my head around characters that I couldn't even compreheand like 成 or 我. I have lost my ability to write over the years, but the meanings are still locked in my head! And if there's something I really want to write, I don't think it'd be hard to remember it again.
I've mostly used visualizations rather than full on stories... and by the end, I was just memorizing the 声 part of the 形声 kanji
Also, I really recommend changing keywords. Be sure to check in the back of the box to make sure you aren't using a keyword for a future kanji tho. I'd even use a Japanese word instead if I couldn't find a good one!
This is the video I've been waiting for. And I've watched so many.
No but seriously I've been waiting for somebody to properly explain explain the 1st steps as soon as you finish RTK. I'm only about 500 words in to rtk but my retention rate is really good
I tried rtk with the stories and never finished because after a few hundred stories, my imagination was just tired and also the stories start to overlap so much using the same radical in so many stories, not to mention the time. I started dreading making the cards more than the studying. I think I will try with the brute force method lol. Sounds easier to me, since I already tried the other way.
OMFG!1!? TEH KANJI KING!?
Im just built different
I was one of those weird guys that learned kanji over the span of three years through university (not japanese major). I really respect the hustle of the people who learn kanji in obscenely short amounts of time but coming from the perspective of a stem major who didn't have a lot of free time Wanikani was the perfect pace. I really liked the system where you had to type out the furigana of each word because it made it a lot easeir to type Japanese once I finished with it. I'm able to read visual and light novels now with a little help with the dictionary whenever those rouge literary words that only shows up once in a blue moon comes up. While I'm happy with my progress in reading I do accept that there are way faster approaches to doing it but at the end of the day whehter it was done in 3 months or 3 years atleast it's been done. Now if only Omicron would end so I can start working in Japan already...
I hopw you can get to Japan soon mate! Yeah theres so many different ways to learn kanji that all fit for different people so I dont like the debate of what the best way to do it is. For some people WaniKani is the way to go and for some theyll do what i said in this vid. Really up to what the person wants to get out of it I reckon!
Currently learning chinese with immersion. But i did chinese Heisig and it took three months after all its 3k characters you have to learn. So glad i did it this way. So now i am just immersing and only need to focus on learning the pronunciation.
Yeah its good to get it done right in the beginning like that isn't it
@@oojiman Feels nice to be able to recognise like 99% of characters. Its chinese so 3k wount cut it you need more like 4.5k but learn them at the go. I honestly dont get why refold no longer recommends Heisig, i have my suspicions though, they might want to earn some money with their 1k kanji deck.
@@DrDissection considering things thatve been going on recently in the community I think you might be right there ahaha
Hey did you associate a story to each hanzi ? Or did you just brute force your way through without stories ? I'm about to start and not sure which approach to pick. Thanks.
I simply just included the kanji with each new word that has a kanji that I learned. I didn't find that RTK was necessary because after a few thousand words, I learned everything that I would have learned in RTK anyway. I don't think it's harmful, but it does feel like learning things twice which takes longer.
I’m just starting kanji n need all the tips i cant get lmao watchin this now!
I wish I had had such a simple explanation of kanji when I started learning Japanese. But I must say even after having learned almost 10000 words in Anki I still find it a little difficult to learn a new kanji with a new kun-reading like 欺(あざむ)く because there's less patterns and no phonetic conponents for that in contrast to on-readings. But it gets easier and easier over time.
Yeah 100% verbs and that using a singular kanji with just one hiragana at the end always are the most difficult things to learn how to read i reckon haha. Like you said tho definitely gets easier over time
I have done that all… but my retention rate after 3 months was at 60%. I use mnemonics… some are not that great and others I mix up the meanings. Now after another two months the retention rate is at 67%. Would you go and correct that to say a retention rate of >90% or would you just continue doing Anki reviews? Or even delete the deck?
Do you know any good anki decks for learning the kanji with vocab attached?
Nah soz i dont
Wooooo! Where’s the notification gang at
How many hours do you think you have spent immersing to get to your current level?
I’m almost at 2,000 hour mark but far away from your level and it feels impossible to me😢
I just did the math and a rough guess would prolly be about 7000 hours. But it took me like around 4000 to get reasonably fluent in listening and speaking
Thank you for your reply! Really glad to know the exact number. This will be a huge motivation for me.
@@KS-tl3qu thats okay good luck with all your immersion and all that!
@@ime5817 new vid coming out on that soon actually haha but i was at 7.5k at the end of that cos i was grinding for the jlptn1 doing 30 to 60 cards a day but after the test i deleted the deck and only made around 1.5k cards since then
@@ime5817 i think i talked about it a little more in this too th-cam.com/video/EZ3300KnJss/w-d-xo.html
Great video! I remember doing traditional RTK, it was so fucking painful haha. Btw, did you usually read the subs on TH-cam videos? Some people advocate against using Japanese subs on native media but I'm not a fan of reading books and stuff so I feel like that could be a pretty useful way to boost my reading skills.
I feel like reading is better done seperately to listening since if you do both at the same time is won't be very effective. I always did my best to not look at the subs its just a bit hard cos they are massive and right in your face haha. If you dont like reading books tho just read twitter, yt comments and websites and stuff tho I reckom
If someone wants to get good at writing kanji would you recommend learning radicals? In theory learning them would help distinguish kanji that may look similar and would help seeing the kanji with meaning and not just some random lines like you said. Also through your method of learning kanji would you say that learning kanji is somewhat of a byproduct of learning new vocabulary?? Because if we start with just the basic meaning of the kanji and then learn vocabulary we would be picking up new kanji readings. Right?
Awesome video dude but one question. Wouldn’t using R-RTK (the premade deck) be better? Cause you wouldn’t have to waste time making the cards and it’s the same knowledge. And from what I’ve heard, the format is also the same for those cards. So is there any specific reason that you chose to make your own cards? Other than the fact that RRTK contains only about 1500 cards and not 2000. But you could just make the other 500. It makes me very curious.
Because i didnt know it even existed before recently lol
@@oojiman so would you recommend using the premade deck?
Sorry, busy watching taro
Nice dude! I've always seen it as there being sorta like a spectrum of how well you know kanji. Obviously the full, old-school RTK will make you really good. But you don't need that really.
That said, I think Refold's JP1K where you learn words and readings at the same time a bit too far on the other side of the spectrum. It kinda (in my opinion) defeats the purpose and theory of RTK, learning it separate.
I think R-RTK is the best balance really, the most useful 1000, and it's recognition rather than keyword.
I imagine it would be a huge slog and very very painful to try and force readings, meanings, kanji and words in all at once, it's sorta like traditional language learning at that point right?
Sending this to my mate straight away. You're a lot better at explain stuff than you give yourself credit for man 👍🏻
Yeah it really is a spectrum isn't it. I couldn't imagine trying to force readings, words and learning to recognize new kanji all at the same time either just seems like a bit much haha. Glad you enjoyed the video!!
exactly what i thought about rrtk VS jp1k
I'm interested in how you were able to memorize 60 kanji a day at your peak (I think that's right?) without making stories with them. No mnemonics at all sounds kind of tough
50 i think but it was tough just had a lot of reviews cos of so many cards a day and cos i got a lot wrong but since reviews for kanji are so quick it wasnt that bad
Good energy, ありがとうね!
i hated rtk man
lol
hey, you gonna comment on project uproot? LUL
I would but if I say anything im scarred my chanmel will get deleted ngl lol