I like the little touch where where you put a progress bar which indicates how long a block of text appears on screen. I do the same thing with my videos. I'm surprised more people don't do this.
0:34 For those curious. Apps have about 10 to 15 seconds before the device quits the subprocess and just shows the notification as it was received, no processing applied
thanks for this useful informative video! your channel gives alot more in depth details of many things im curious about namely first privacy/security and how to prevent data collection.
I’ve kept notifications turned off for a few years on any app that doesn’t need it for this reason. Would be interested to see how other mainstream apps like TH-cam, Discord, Telegram, Snapchat, mail clients, etc behave.
I know it's been said, but, like make a freaking website and/or blog post for this. Just showing a bunch of text in a youtube video is painful. Also like seeing the full logs of the captures would be nice as well, with anything redacted that should be...
Thanks a lot for this feedback. Ideally, you should discover this video through reading our post on X: x.com/mysk_co/status/1750502700112916504 The description of the video is detailed enough that you get the point without watching the video. I'm not sure how you discovered this video, but the source that pointed you to this video should have referenced our post on X. We do have a blog to share our more complicated findings. We thought a post on X would plus a video should do it for this point. Apologies for the inconvenience.
Notifications are nice and helpful. There's still many apps that respect user privacy and don't send anything when a notification is received. I'd continue to allow such apps to send me notifications.
Is it true that iPhone users can now see if their contacts are ignoring their calls and messages? Example: iPhone user texts Android/iPhone user. Android/iPhone user doesn't respond, but Android/iPhone user continues to use other apps on their phone.
how much of these information do these apps already have after you installed and opened them once, seems like the only relevant tracking information is the boot time here, other device related information they already got it, no?
Yes they do collect the same and much more when they're active on the foreground. But this is just another technique to refresh the device signals as frequently as possible.
It talks just as much... The main reason for rooting and installing a firewall to block a lot of this stuff. But still there are apps that will need access to be able to function. That is why I prefer a good web browser to run Facebook, X, LinkedIn etc, instead of the apps.
@@tjteknik1 oh i know they dont stop pinging away 🤣 i understand your approach i use to firewall myself the problem for me became loggin in so often with keys behind more locks it became a hassle
4:45 so, and what is in this data? Basically it's an Apple jamb. And what are the risks that cunning and quick-witted minds from large corporations will obtain information about my phone?
As an mobile app developer, who understands the importance of this information you’re claiming is privacy invasion, that is transactional data. For example, if a push notification is opened within 2 minutes, we can use that to understand the effectiveness of the notification. Also, push notifications are expensive, so it’s important for us developers to not nag you with notifications if you don’t open over a period of time so we can ghost unsubscribe you to save on our costs.
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This is privacy invasion. Don’t paper over it with your nonsense
We are also iOS developers. We believe that sending the system uptime, battery status, display brightness level, device available memory and storage, and much more has nothing to do with assessing the effectiveness of notifications. The apps we demoed in the video don't just ping a remote server. Plus, Apple already provides developers with a console and sophisticated dashboard showing the main KPIs about the notifications to help developers evaluate the effectiveness of their notifications.
Also, notifications are no replacement for Ads. A user has requested a notification about something they wanted to know, that is it. As a developer, using this information to target "ad notifications" is an abuse of the system.
I am also an iOS developer. And this is a grave concern to any user who cares or not about their privacy. Ask any normal user what they think of tracking in the background, without their knowledge, for ads? They will get upset. For reference, that is almost the definition of espionage. Borderline evil privacy practices.
If you're just going to kill us with powerpoint slides, why not make a blog post instead and be much more accessible? This is the most ridiculous format for sharing actual information.
Thanks a lot for this feedback. Ideally, you should discover this video through reading our post on X: x.com/mysk_co/status/1750502700112916504 The video is broken down into multiple chapters so you can skip to the chapter you're interested in, at least you could skip the slides right away. We posted videos in the past without having a context in the video and we got the feedback that viewers didn't get what the video was about, hence added the introductory slides. Moreover, the description of the video is detailed enough that you get the point without watching the video. I'm not sure how you discovered this video, but the source that pointed you to this video should have referenced our post on X. We do have a blog to share our more complicated findings. We thought a post on X would plus a video would do it for this point. Apologies for the inconvenience.
Thank you for these informative videos. I very much appreciate the work that goes into making these!
Thank you 🙏
I like the little touch where where you put a progress bar which indicates how long a block of text appears on screen. I do the same thing with my videos. I'm surprised more people don't do this.
Thank you so much for pointing this out. These kind of practices need to end.
Thank you 🙏
0:34 For those curious. Apps have about 10 to 15 seconds before the device quits the subprocess and just shows the notification as it was received, no processing applied
I love your channel, I’ve learned a lot of useful information from you. Keep up the good work!
Thank you 🙏
thanks for this useful informative video! your channel gives alot more in depth details of many things im curious about namely first privacy/security and how to prevent data collection.
I’ve kept notifications turned off for a few years on any app that doesn’t need it for this reason. Would be interested to see how other mainstream apps like TH-cam, Discord, Telegram, Snapchat, mail clients, etc behave.
We just wanted to highlight a phenomenon with this work and raise awareness about what apps can do when a push notification is received.
Disabling the notifications prevents this from happening?
Yes, but you have to toggle the option "Allow Notifications" of the app off. Allowing the notifications while disabling the alerts isn't enough.
Yep, you’re right! Good damn… Thanks for your work, you really a hero!
Thank you 🙏
Loved the presentation except for the music.
Thank you. youtube.com/@tommymysk is working on improving the background music.
You can turn off the push notifications
Nice work! What method are you using to bypass SSL Pinning?
Not sure they are using SSL pinning for these kind of requests. But I might be wrong
Thank you for doing this research.
🙏
So, disable all noti’s?
In the end, you say Apple will soon do something about this. Did they provide a timeline as to when that may be?
I'm never installing a third party app again
I’m never installing an app again
Never again
We are not on Reddit guys! lol
😂😅
I know it's been said, but, like make a freaking website and/or blog post for this. Just showing a bunch of text in a youtube video is painful. Also like seeing the full logs of the captures would be nice as well, with anything redacted that should be...
Thanks a lot for this feedback. Ideally, you should discover this video through reading our post on X: x.com/mysk_co/status/1750502700112916504
The description of the video is detailed enough that you get the point without watching the video. I'm not sure how you discovered this video, but the source that pointed you to this video should have referenced our post on X. We do have a blog to share our more complicated findings. We thought a post on X would plus a video should do it for this point. Apologies for the inconvenience.
I’m literally turning off every notification. Unless it’s a person calling or texting me, eff em
Notifications are nice and helpful. There's still many apps that respect user privacy and don't send anything when a notification is received. I'd continue to allow such apps to send me notifications.
Does blocking the notification, stop this?
Yes.
Does the App Privacy Report record any of this?
Yes.
Is it true that iPhone users can now see if their contacts are ignoring their calls and messages? Example: iPhone user texts Android/iPhone user. Android/iPhone user doesn't respond, but Android/iPhone user continues to use other apps on their phone.
Can the same be done on android?
how much of these information do these apps already have after you installed and opened them once, seems like the only relevant tracking information is the boot time here, other device related information they already got it, no?
Yes they do collect the same and much more when they're active on the foreground. But this is just another technique to refresh the device signals as frequently as possible.
What app are you using on the Mac to track the network traffic of the iPhone?
A combination of mitmproxy and Proxyman.
Would this data be linked to one’s account and as such technically be part of a GDPR request?
Yes, the data includes account identifiers.
im curious how much if any difference the android platform has re this
It talks just as much... The main reason for rooting and installing a firewall to block a lot of this stuff. But still there are apps that will need access to be able to function. That is why I prefer a good web browser to run Facebook, X, LinkedIn etc, instead of the apps.
@@tjteknik1 oh i know they dont stop pinging away 🤣 i understand your approach i use to firewall myself the problem for me became loggin in so often with keys behind more locks it became a hassle
4:45 so, and what is in this data?
Basically it's an Apple jamb. And what are the risks that cunning and quick-witted minds from large corporations will obtain information about my phone?
As an mobile app developer, who understands the importance of this information you’re claiming is privacy invasion, that is transactional data. For example, if a push notification is opened within 2 minutes, we can use that to understand the effectiveness of the notification. Also, push notifications are expensive, so it’s important for us developers to not nag you with notifications if you don’t open over a period of time so we can ghost unsubscribe you to save on our costs.
This is privacy invasion. Don’t paper over it with your nonsense
We are also iOS developers. We believe that sending the system uptime, battery status, display brightness level, device available memory and storage, and much more has nothing to do with assessing the effectiveness of notifications. The apps we demoed in the video don't just ping a remote server. Plus, Apple already provides developers with a console and sophisticated dashboard showing the main KPIs about the notifications to help developers evaluate the effectiveness of their notifications.
Also, notifications are no replacement for Ads. A user has requested a notification about something they wanted to know, that is it. As a developer, using this information to target "ad notifications" is an abuse of the system.
@@aaroncenter6384 notifications function like email. It’s no different.
I am also an iOS developer. And this is a grave concern to any user who cares or not about their privacy.
Ask any normal user what they think of tracking in the background, without their knowledge, for ads? They will get upset.
For reference, that is almost the definition of espionage.
Borderline evil privacy practices.
If you're just going to kill us with powerpoint slides, why not make a blog post instead and be much more accessible? This is the most ridiculous format for sharing actual information.
Thanks a lot for this feedback. Ideally, you should discover this video through reading our post on X: x.com/mysk_co/status/1750502700112916504
The video is broken down into multiple chapters so you can skip to the chapter you're interested in, at least you could skip the slides right away. We posted videos in the past without having a context in the video and we got the feedback that viewers didn't get what the video was about, hence added the introductory slides. Moreover, the description of the video is detailed enough that you get the point without watching the video. I'm not sure how you discovered this video, but the source that pointed you to this video should have referenced our post on X. We do have a blog to share our more complicated findings. We thought a post on X would plus a video would do it for this point. Apologies for the inconvenience.
This is a pretty informative PowerPoint