80% of California's water is used by a few billionaire farmers. Prior to legislative changes pushed by Stewart and Lynda Resnik, that water belonged to the cities during times of drought. When Trump talks about moving water from the north to south, he's talking about a deal that forces California's citizens to buy back the water that was stolen from them. All of this was preventable, but Americans don't DO anything other than "make money." Americans can not have best practices because corporations are legally obligated to maximize profits. Quality and standards are doomed.
If Trump was talking about the rich hogging water, he would be talking about the rich, not the government. Every blame he has put was against Democrats and government agency. Why would he be criticizing an exploit he himself would definitely use for his golf courses?
@godsBane266 That's my point. Trump is blaming the wrong people. The problem of not having water to fight the fires was not a problem until the 1980s. The water in the north belonged to the cities before it was stolen by a few greedy "farmers." The delivery of water to the metro areas was previously required by law. His criticism is that California failed to buy back its stolen water, not that the water was stolen through corrupt politics 40 years ago.
….when we were watching this on the news, an aunt I respected as intelligent as a kid made a comment of “they were the state that didn’t want Trump to win”, spitefully as if they deserved this suffering. Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but that comment torments and makes me fell disturbed about her. The worst part is that we aren’t even from the USA, so she should’t have on paper a reason to care so much that some people didn’t want him to win. Sorry for throwing this in, but that was just so disturbing. My condolences to the Californians suffering because of the fires, regardless of their political affiliations.
When you're a kid pretty much everyone can seem intelligent if they talk in a way to makes you think so, narcissistic people pretty much do this kind of thing. But well, intelligence doesn't mean compassion, maybe you just don't know her fully, and intelligent people can be wrong, intelligent people can justify and rationalise their own wrong better than anyone.
Thinking is not the antidote to misinformation. Nothing competes with what people desire to believe, and more capacity means a deeper grip on the pieces of 'truth' that get them through the day. Intelligent people sustain dissonance for longer, a useful trick in a universe in which multiple things can seemingly be true at the same time and prevents the mind from assigning causation to every coincidence, unfortunately it can be made to go the other way with enough desire. If you ever wanted to reach your aunt, it would be by successfully altering what she wants to see, not by challenging her perception of truth. Love is the key.
@@Silverfirefly1 Very insightful, thank you for those words as they have reshaped my mentality towards dealing with my mother of a similar issue. Cheers.
I looked up to my uncle for a long time until this recent election. It revealed to my whole family that sometime between 2020 and 2024 he had completely drunk the Kool Aid and fallen off the deep end. Sad stuff.
I’m just worried about how this will magnify the homeless issue and just make it worse with these quarter measure neoliberal policies. And right when another trump presidency comes. God could be one of the worst times in American history
Not to diminish the suffering of those who already lost their homes, but imagine had they not contained the sunset fire in Hollywood and it hits the core of LA... Could've been looking at hundreds of thousands losing their homes in one of the cities facing the worst of the housing crisis.
@@scorpion3128 and then the CEQA prevents them from rebuilding them homes for a minimum of seven years. So they end up back in Oklahoma, reliving the reverse Dust Bowl.
If it makes you feel better the LA city 2025 budget has 1.7 billion for homeless services, and only 1.8 billion for the LAPD. Next year the homeless will have officially become the largest single budget issue for the city.......... more money fixes problems, right fellow socialist?
i was talking to my bf about how no one is going to officially announce we have entered a dystopic reality. we all just have to kind of look around and decide that "normal" isn't coming back, and might not have ever even existed as we thought it did, and figure it out from there. younger generations are going to need redesign society from the ashes, literally and figuratively. we need to start thinking now, as everything is still burning, so that we have plans ready to roll when the smoke clears. good luck to all of us
The answers already exist at least. UBS (food, housing, healthcare, education and transportation services garenteed to all and free at point of use) And democratic control of the means of production
@@guillaumelagueyte1019 For our Grandma's it was a 'frog in a butter churn' . I know the song if you want to hear it..there's a tale of 2 frogs in a butter churn, from a tale of 2 frogs there's a lot to learn, they were caught in a fix made the one just stop but the other fought on...he came out on top...(chorus): you must'nt give uuuup, you've gotta go on, its always darkest before the dawn, before the dawn. guess its better than a frog in a blender. ufdah
... saw something with Reagan's name on it on the map, felt the spiteful urge to want to see it burn down, had to reevaluate after seeing 'medical center' on it. You win this time, Reagan. You win this time.
*WHAT ASTONISHES ME* as a European, is 70% of your country are arguing about who is to blame when its all of you for doing zero about climate change as a nation
Climate change is mostly not responsible for what is happening in California. Over half of Californian wildfire is caused by its decrepit, ancient electric grid malfunctioning.
And that some people are completely okay with being like "haha they deserve to burn" just because of political support. Insane that a country that claims to be democratic is so okay with that
Climate Change cannot be stopped. Wait until Africa, Indonesia, and India industrialize. Hundreds of millions of women are living without running water in their homes - they want toilets, which means lots of fossil fuels being burned. What we need to do is spend the money to adapt.
To be fair, a lot of us recognize climate change as an existential crisis, but we are largely powerless due to the control that the corporate overlords and billionaires have over everything, including Congress and many other politicians. We're just as pissed. I have no excuse for the hogs. Political action would be feasible if we were actually united, but them being the sheep they are, we have no real political recourse. We only have Luigi.
I also think young people feel less of a social contract because their is no government guaranteed minimum support for them, so they aren’t inclined to volunteer to help others when they feel they are on their own. Prior generations of young people volunteered more.
@@JoshSweetvaleThx the OP was really tone deaf. Ppl, are working extra jobs & nightspots & weekend shifts just to not go under. They have little/ no bandwidth & spoons to go volunteer.
@@beewest5704 thats exactly what i was thinking when vaush was kinda deriding young folks for "not doing more" as though half of us would even be allowed to. Nothing is as easy or simple as it once was. We cant get jobs that pay even rent and food, we need a second job to meet both those needs. Then we can only get jobs that make their schedule week by week or the managers are always calling or texting asking if youre free, so we literally never get out of that "work mode" because at any moment they can call you to come in. Then, most of us cant afford to live in decent areas so where we live would be far from the volunteer organizations, combined with low income areas having higher crime rates and disasters like this often leading to looting and such, were busy at home defending what little we have or trying to pack it up cause IT IS ALL WE HAVE. Or we have to travel to even reach the "local" volunteer organization. I had to drive an hour and a half for my nearest volunteer work one time. That cost me a lot of time and money, neither of which i have much of and it took me literal weeks to make up the difference that caused. Finally, yeah, why should i volunteer? Im not gonna see a single social benefit, barely can even get a corporate benefit if im lucky, and im perpetually tired from not having enough time to unwind from all the damn shit im doing. Its because what should have been communal tasks that used to be managed by one person (the unpaid and unvalued mothers of our nation) is now managed by each individual because theres no families because of changing dynamics and poor economics. So each person using has to do the same stuff in the same time one person used to do it all in. Theres so so so many little tiny things that have all stacked up to make it infinitely exhausting to be a young person in todays society.
But hilariously significantly smaller than the Oregon wildfires the handful of Japanese balloon bombs started, that killed literally only one person who triggered an unexploded bomb on accident.
@@Flexy59Somehow I doubt the solution to an urban cesspool of crime, homelessness, neglect, and malfeasance is to offer up the people fortunate enough to somewhat isolate themselves from all of that as sacrificial lambs to an even denser version of that hell.
@@TheElementFive Look at pictures of Barcelona, Amsterdam, and Berlin. All are fairly dense, with 6-8ish story buildings making up a large portion of housing stock. This allows for much more efficient utilities service (less length of [x], whether that is water pipes, electrical lines, or even location of parks and bus routes, required to serve the same number of people), as well as allowing for more housing stock to be built in a smaller area thus decreasing housing prices at the same distance away from the city center. Los Angeles does not do any of this-- there is pretty much only single family housing or skyscrapers, and the single family housing is very close to the city center. This means that many utilities and services are inefficient and expensive to maintain, as they must cover a gigantic amount of area (public transit is very slow and cannot reach to cover everyone, as everyone lives so far away-- this is the primary cause of the LA traffic, as public transit would otherwise be an efficient method of moving large amounts of people [see:Tokyo]). I would not say that these fires are caused by poor land management re:urbanism, but the lack of proper urbanism is one of the major factors why LA feels like a terrible place to exist in. If you are interested in more, I suggest watching videos from Not Just Bikes, as he is good at explaining things well. I am also a fan of Eco Gecko's series on faults with suburban development.
Yeah, trying to explain over and over again to my relatives that a: it doesn't *matter* if these fires *were* started by arson, because the fires *still* spiraled out of control wildly due to the weather factors at play and b: it is *just* as likely that this was started entirely by accident because California, surprise surprise, is prone to fires.
No, not really. Australia is meant to go through controlled back burning during the winter. We aren't meant to have severe bushfire seasons during summers.
@@audreydoyle5268 Yeah, yeah, the whole thing with *fire reduction techniques* and *basic expectations of trying to pre-emptively keep things from getting out of hand*, I know climate change is why those weren't able to be executed to the necessary degree because the point at which they became too dangerous to execute arrived way too early. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm specifically talking about how we got the worst bushfires during the time of year that is hot and dry, and America's fires are raging at the ostensibly coldest part of the year.
@@misirtere9836And usually it's our wettest. Wasn't too long we were flooded with a month long deluge of water. Of course, you aussies are probably all too aware of the problem of being beholden to a more extreme wet/dry season because of global warming.
I don’t know how it compares to our 2019 fires in Australia in terms of scale, very different landscapes impacted, but welcome to the age of fire tornadoes.
16:00 the most convincing argument I have heard, why young folk do not volunteer, is that we are chronically afraid of commitment (for other reasons) and most volunteering orgs are based on perpetual memberships, rather than millennial /zoomer preferred "Come and help as a one off and we'll see what happens from there"
@@MrSomethingredSynopsis on reasons for being afraid of commitment? I know I volunteered less because of social anxiety. Indeed, my 'invasive species removal' group effort just asked you to show up if you could, and I benefited greatly because of it.
I think it’s more that no one can afford to volunteer. Most of us are out here just barely scraping by ourselves and that’s by the design of our overlords. When we’re all so focused on self-preservation, who has time for collective action?
"Yeah young ones, volunteer to do free work to make up for all the 💩 the boomers are leaving you to deal with. " And that s also why they are richer than your generation will ever be btw. Really makes one young informed want to sit this one out...
@Theunrealblender japanese had the same problem. Not a single building cracks in a 7.2 earthquake. Steel and rei forced concrete as well as proper civic engineering can do wonders. But oh. I forgot. You Americans don't have enough the qualified workforce. Maybe try H1-B engineers ha?
@@KutluMizrak they actually don't want any regulations put in place that will force people to * checks note * build safer houses for humans to live in
A serious rewrite of construction standards is needed. Abolition of "petroleum coated wooden shingles", requiring roofing to be sheet metal, concrete/ceramic tile. Abolition of wooden framing replaced by steel framing as used in Australia. Fire resistant mineral wool insulation mandatory in both walls and roof. Mineral wool fire blanket placed on the top of insulation layer in roofs. The outer wall plastic vapor layer attached to frames replaced with high strength aluminum foil. Exterior walls to be ceramic/steel sheeting. Compressed wood and plastic flooring abolished flooring required to be built with concrete panel flooring. Wooden windows and doors replaced with aluminum. No internal wooden paneling. All electrical wiring installed in conduits, 12v DC wiring only in roofs, LED roof lighting compulsory. Abolition of garages, cars to kept in driveways. Too much fire prone junk and additional cars accumulate in garages. It would be much better if destroyed housing replaced by terraces/English style row housing. Better mass transit built; the opportunity is there with considerable vacant land now available. The costs of improved construction standards should result in a much-needed size reduction of houses.
So you want to fix the housing crisis..... by radically increasing the cost of building homes, and radically reducing the number of people qualified to do the majority of the work? Why do modern homes have so little metal in them? Because home builders have almost no one on staff qualified to do metalworking. If you constrain construction labor right when you want to do a bunch of construction, what happens to prices? Edit: oh, and literally not a single example you've given would have helped at all in either of these fires. Entirely stone and mortar stores were cracked and caved in by the heat, and the fire jumped right over them. Unironically look at the cost of a steel sided building vs a wood one. Just right now, go check, and then check the temperature limits (they are literally the same) they can survive.
We still use heaps of timber framing in Aus... Wooden window frames are super uncommon in new builds here, but they're the best for thermal performance of a house, as heat travels through metal a lot faster.
@@ASDeckard Metal working is not required, Most house frames in Australia are pre built in factories, coated metal, only assembly is required. Tools needed a couple of screwdrivers/spanners, riveter, level and hammer drill for the hole in the concrete floor panel. Requires an insignificant level of training a few days or maybe a week, requires the skill set of LEGO assembly. It's a do it yourself process or low skill labor with much reduced assembly time compared to timber frames, it's cheaper than wood as are concrete floor panels. If all new buildings are built without wood, with quality materials, then fires will be self suppressed with the elimination of combustible material. Timber framed, clad and shingled buildings are only built by the ignorant.
Lacking proper forest management paired with a warmer climate has a tendency to lead to huge firestorms. Alaska and Canada let their forests burn. There are even prescribed burns to prevent this very thing from happening.
I didn't realize California, that performed literally half of all proscribed burns on the entire xxxxing planet last year, didn't already do these things. Crazy. Oh look, California also employs *HALF* of the entire nations forestry workers. Clearly they need to do the forest management stuffs, because they're not already.
@ASDeckard Well since my comment keeps getting deleted, you can go on NPR and look up an issue in October of 2024 when the forest service in California ceased prescribed burns and there were concerns regarding that decision. Additionally there is evidence that says that the South Eastern United States actually leads the pack. The closest number for California that I could find was a mere 35.000 acres, vs Florida's 1.2 million acres. I cannot post the links however a quick Google search really disproves your assertions here. 🤦
Well someone keeps deleting my comments in response to Deckard. Now the forest service in California ceased prescribed burns in October of 2024, NPR had an article laying out concerns regarding that decision. Additionally the Southeastern US leads the pack in prescribed burns. Florida sits at a comfy 1.2 million acres for instance, while California was at a 35,000 acre figure. Point being Deckard's assertions can be quickly proven false with a Google search and some reading.
@nenafan1 Topanga State Park's Forest is what burned down Pacific Palisades, the woodlands around the Hollywood Hills which correct me if I'm wrong is part of Angeles National Forest.
This is the type of disaster I used to read about in novels or watch in movies back in the 70s. You could almost see Charleton Heston or Ava Gardner or Jack Lemmon in this. Whodathought they were prescient?
There are a few things that this fires make me think about: 1st: if fires of this magnitude and intensity were happening in any other country and had destroyed as many houses in "nice areas", people all over the world would be saying: "that country is a failure, their firefighting systems are collapsed, they suck, they are disorganized, poor, underdeveloped, stupid, corrupt, unprepared..." but because it happened in one of the richest places in the US (and the world) people say "it is a tragedy"... No, it is not just a tragedy, the same adjectives apply. 2nd: Not enough people in the conservative side are talking about the change in the climatic conditions that allowed for this fires to happen, in January (peak of the winter in the northern hemisphere), some people might say things like "the climate is different now" but they rarely admit that this is what we have been saying when we refer to climate change. There is a complete denial about the root causes. 3rd: many people in the left don't want to admit that there is an inadequate fire prevention and extinction mechanism implemented, and they don't want to admitted it because california has been governed by "their side" for almost 20 years... Selective blindness I guess. 4th: that region cannot support a population that large living so widespread across such a large area. And not enough investment has been done on desalination, so there is lack of water that is managed by "rationing", but rationing does not work when you are trying to fight a fire... This is one of the signs of a collapsing society: the inability to maintain the correct functioning of the existing systems and infrastructures... Take your own conclusions about that.
The fires killed almost no one. The fires in Portugal last year killed far more people. The fires didn't destroy that many homes. India has had six fires this year that destroyed more. The only thing unique about this fire from a global perspective is how expensive the damage was, but that's what happens when your average home prices is over 2 million. The rich penthouse parts of other nations don't reach averages that high. There are entire 1st world cities that are worth less than the small part of LA that burned here, and 3rd world nations that are worth less. This was a historically bad fire for America, but not very impressive by almost any other nations standards. England had a fire that killed 4k people. Hell, San Fransisco had a fire in 1906 that killed 3k people *at least,* and leveled 80% of the city. What did these fires do, 7% of LA? Why do people lie so blatantly? Come back when at least 100 people are dead, you know, the number that die in a normal Chinese apartment fire that happen 10x's of times a year.
Who is saying otherwise for your first point? This is arguably the actual main point. Nothing has actually broken through the willful ignorance of the right. Yet again, no one is saying this. But the natural follow up is, what do you suggest be done? If it doesn’t rain, it doesn’t rain. Prevention can only go so far if there is a drought. As far as I’m aware, saltwater puts out fires just as well as freshwater. Not sure your point there at all, unless you want to plop a big pump off the pier with a really, really long hose to get the ocean water miles inland
@@nenafan1 sea water is 3% salt. Not only does it quickly damage equipment by corroding it, but when you use sea water to put out the fire you are literally salting the Earth.
@@nzuckman Most of the areas affected by wildfires in California are not agricultural hubs though. They are either arid shrubby areas, or they are dry forests. Your argument that sea water would salt the Earth because you put down a fire with it is stupid. Salt left by water is washed up during rainy season. It is a problem only in areas that receives no or next to none rain. California does have a rainy season, accompanied by a long period of drought.
@@ASDeckard you are actually proving my pint number 1, "nothing to see here, this fire was not that bad, we are actually doing great, our fires are better than other countries fires"... More than 20 000 buildings and structures have burnt so far... And there was a situation of insufficient water in the fire hydrants, due to insufficient water pressure, due to lack of water... there are also no strategic water reservoirs to fight fires, because there isn't enough funding and water... Oh, and saltwater can't be used to put out forest fires because it damages the soils. Face the truth: you need desalination plants.
you know. the fires are still going and if the wind goes the wrong direction, the whole of LA could theoretically burn down. Which would be quite frankly, biblical.
This has been so terrifying to watch, we have to get the climate crisis under control. Its good that covid conscious folks were investing in mask blocs throughout this time, which the state has been able to rely on. I hope this leads to a shift more broadly towards mask-use to protect communities, maybe this could help to depoliticise it.
A lot of people forget this, but the Chicago Fire was just a small part of the The Great Fires of 1871 that devastated a number of locations around the great lakes, the fires also killed over a thousand people in Peshtigo, Wisconsin. Holland, Manistee and Port Huron Michigan also caught fire, as well as Windsor Ontario. As a result of the wild fires at the time, the city of Singapore Michigan over logged to supply the rebuilding, the clearing lead to sand dunes along Lake Michigan to over taking the town, so that is another indirect casualty of the great fires. This isn't to take away from how severe the fires are in LA, it's crazy to see such a devastating fire in our modern day. The people impacted in LA deserve so much support in this time of need.
I guess Maynard didn't quite get what he asked for in the end. Praying for rain and tidal waves to flush it all down, but "Mom" decided to burn it instead.
What a brain rot comment. Trump is not yet president. He will be inaugurated on the 20th. And how is he responsible for what is happening in California? This is the responsibility of the Los Angeles mayor, who cut firefighter funds recently, the firefighter leader, who promoted DEI among its employees instead of doing their jobs and Gavin Newsom. All DEMOCRATS.
We break a new fire record every year. Hell one year we broke it several times in the span of a few weeks. But nahhh, it’s gotta be those pesky migrants.
The idea we settle places not fit for large scale human occupation and get shocked when nature ravages these areas is wild to me. Like of course if you massively settle a fire prone area that naturally burns as part of the eco system, and you over develop it with homes and infrastructure, that make these disasters worse. We need like 5 million people to leave the area of Southern California permanently. That number might even be low. People gotta pick areas to live where they dont overpopulate and the risks are lessened. Moving to CA or FL or TX today is insanity.
Water shortages without fire and these people got golf courses and everyone has pools like of course, nothing can go wrong. Y'all got no water and the land burns, but let's move there by the millions. Let's make the water so scarce we can't find pressure to fight fires because 14 million people are using it in a desert. My state will reject a pipeline to bail the desert out, MI isn't going for it.
@@jessebanda4953there was no water shortage. They didn't run out of water. The reservoirs were above averagely full. The problem was they didn't build the pumping system with this scale of fire in mind because nothing like this has ever happened before. They relied on a gravity fed water system with 3 million gallons in tanks at the top of the hill. They pumped water up to the tanks before the fire but then relied on the tanks and couldn't refill them fast enough to keep up with demand. They just need a lot more powerful pumps with larger pipes to distribute water, and backup power supplies for those pumps so they keep running in a power cut.
Living in Central NC I've dealt with 19° late last year and 55° in January. That should be proof enough the climate is fucked. It also just snowed for the first time in 2 years.
And there are PLENTY of ordinary type people who'll also suffer. A number of these people had not yet replaced the fire insurance that was jerked out from under them a while back by their money grubbing insurance company.
@@Gary-u8r Insurance companies in California over the last 10 years have a literal negative 8% margin. That is catastrophic. For those who don't know how numbers work, a positive 10% is ideal and below 5% the business is unlikely to survive. A negative margin literally means they are heading straight to bankruptcy. Specifically last year they lost an entire 10 years of income in a single year, hence the 10 year average suddenly dropping from a not at all healthy 3.8%, which was already bad, all the way to the above mentioned -8%. They can't even pay out half of the claims from these fires without bankrupting immediately, and without a popular vote from the populace it's not legal for the government to bail them out. So there are two choices: let them go bankrupt and California just doesn't have fire insurance at all anymore, and everyone needs to use the state run alternative that is catastrophically expensive (it's a straight people pay in via fees what they take out, so you get the insurance money up front, but basically as a loan and then need to pay it off forever), or accept the rates going to the moon and becoming extremely expensive. The amount of money in fire insurance is pathetic. Less than 400$ a year per home on average. It takes literally more than a thousand years for the company to make back their money from you if you end up needing the insurance, which means you *must* have at least 1k homes per home that burns down per year for the company to survive, even if you assume 100% business efficiency, as in their staff literally never gets paid for anything and all of their infrastructure is free. But now because the fire insurance has gone up so much Californian's in not at risk area's have pulled out en mass, pushing up how much they need per home that much higher. Sit down and do the math yourself some day: the costs are so high it's basically just not possible to have private market insurance for it anymore with what people are willing to pay, which means the only alternative is to provide it via government and mandatory taxes, which will more than quadruple the property tax burden in the state (with admittedly low property taxes on average, but regardless do we really want to make owning homes in California that much more expensive? Maybe, but understand that's the choice you're making).
@@atticusandwinifred3274 Totally correct, I'm a working class guy who lived in Altadena. Thank goodness for generous relatives elsewhere in the county, because I have no home to return to now.
@@hankhillsnrrwurethra Well yeah... when your electric grid is older than you grandparents... that tends to happen. Maybe invest less in green energy and more in replacing the aging electric grid, which is the main culprit that causes wildfires? You remember the 2018 Camp fire? The one that burned Paradise to the ground, killing almost 100 people? That wildfire was started by an electric tower built in 1921.
Vaush bashing midwesterners for their cold tolerance saying the 103 degree dry heat is anything compared to 98 degree 80+ percent humidity that routinely sets up in the Midwest
The Great Fires of 1871 were a series of conflagrations that took place throughout the final days of September and first weeks of October 1871 in the United States, primarily occurring in the Midwestern United States. These fires include the Great Chicago Fire, Peshtigo Fire, and Great Michigan Fire. In total, the fires burnt more than 3,000,000 acres (1,200,000 ha) of land and killed thousands. - Wiki
Yeah, bring all the beautiful art from Europe to a hill in a dry region in a country thousands of kilometres away that burns regularly! I hope they can safe that bloody building AND the art inside of it
Well see, if it was arson, then they can blame the arsonist. Instead of the people in power that have, for decades, neglected their forests and putting out all the tiny fires that clear the underbrush, - which is the primary cause of these massive firestorms that just overwhelm even the best slave-labor firefighting crews. Fires are going to happen, you can either let the small ones happen so you don't get massive ones every year. Or you can invest in manually removing all of that excess fuel from the forests so you do not get massive firestorms. Alternatively, throw the politicians responsible into the fire, maybe their successor will think twice about their fiscal priorities.
Honest question - what do the people who lost their homes even do with their jobs? Some of them might not be able to work? Would their bosses actually fire them ontop of this?
Am in my 30s and i been volunteering since i was 15 years old i wanna say i get crapped on for someone being young and working for free i get told i should be making extra money even tho the museum i volunteer for cant provide that and by law cant provide it so ur pretty much right a lot of these other younger people just dont wanna volunteer cus there lazy playing video games and would rather wanna get paid.
Also the biggest Black Friday sale of real estate in LA history that'll be relegated to a rent-only dystopia. That and it'll have more commercial buildings, taking away opportunities for people to actually live.
In 2017-2021 there started the giant California wildfires of hundreds of thousands of acres, but they didn’t hit as many city centers as the current LA fires. Even from then it was obvious it’s only a matter of time
The GOP is actively saying they will need to see if California should receive disaster aid. We just dont give AF about anyone anymore who isnt on our side.
If u were wondering, it burned near the Getty Villa and some of the grounds (separate location, replica of a Roman Villa, holds and displays Greek and Roman art) but the building itself was unscathed. That might be what everyone was thinking of
The worst fire in the Texas panhandle was the Smokehouse fire and it was caused by a downed power line. It was similar conditions. There had been tons of dry, dead plants from having a very wet spring and then dry weather. Some really strong wind gusts caused an old worn out power pole to snap in half.
climate change and our society's response really is just like someone with a pond next to them watching and screaming at the ants for burning their house down before their eyes
"You say it's the fault of climate change, which has been linked to increased dryness in the area. But have you considered black people?"
"They come from a dry land"
Tbh they are our favourite scapegoat. It's hard to change habits.
Yeah, climate change so rough, all water in fire hydrants just dried up 🤷♂️
I am expecting any moment, to see them make up a immigrant or trans arsonist
@@Angst-traum Jewish Space Lasers 2: Illegal Trans Alien Edition
The worst fires in American history *so far*.
That's kinda the definition of the word "history"
@@stachu5049 It is, after all, how time works.
lol please look up the word “history”
Wooooow you’re so smart. Mind blown
FACTS'
GTA V is a work of historical preservation now.
Let's just hope they handle the next update well.
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@Tormekia is the next update going to be a heist during a huge fire?
@noahkarpinski1824 Funnily enough one of the heists (FIB building) has you escaping a burning skyscraper...
80% of California's water is used by a few billionaire farmers. Prior to legislative changes pushed by Stewart and Lynda Resnik, that water belonged to the cities during times of drought.
When Trump talks about moving water from the north to south, he's talking about a deal that forces California's citizens to buy back the water that was stolen from them.
All of this was preventable, but Americans don't DO anything other than "make money." Americans can not have best practices because corporations are legally obligated to maximize profits. Quality and standards are doomed.
If Trump was talking about the rich hogging water, he would be talking about the rich, not the government. Every blame he has put was against Democrats and government agency. Why would he be criticizing an exploit he himself would definitely use for his golf courses?
@godsBane266 That's my point. Trump is blaming the wrong people. The problem of not having water to fight the fires was not a problem until the 1980s. The water in the north belonged to the cities before it was stolen by a few greedy "farmers." The delivery of water to the metro areas was previously required by law. His criticism is that California failed to buy back its stolen water, not that the water was stolen through corrupt politics 40 years ago.
@@godsBane266 Why would he admit to that when he can make it better for his image by blaming his political enemies.
They own Wonderful brand fruit, by the way. We haven't bought their evil products in years.
Evil people
*_"We need to drill baby, drill!!"_*
- the incoming President
Don't worry. It's going to be clean oil and clean coal. How do you make clean oil and coal? Well just add "clean" in front of the words
@@duke605 And if "clean" doesn't work, try "green".
I'm honestly a big fan of "sustainable" fossil fuels.
@@Otek_Nr.3 this guy gets it
*vice president
Well he can try. Given no one bidded after he tried to sell Alaskan oil rights he might well fail.
….when we were watching this on the news, an aunt I respected as intelligent as a kid made a comment of “they were the state that didn’t want Trump to win”, spitefully as if they deserved this suffering. Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but that comment torments and makes me fell disturbed about her. The worst part is that we aren’t even from the USA, so she should’t have on paper a reason to care so much that some people didn’t want him to win. Sorry for throwing this in, but that was just so disturbing. My condolences to the Californians suffering because of the fires, regardless of their political affiliations.
When you're a kid pretty much everyone can seem intelligent if they talk in a way to makes you think so, narcissistic people pretty much do this kind of thing.
But well, intelligence doesn't mean compassion, maybe you just don't know her fully, and intelligent people can be wrong, intelligent people can justify and rationalise their own wrong better than anyone.
Fascism is a cancer and we're living in metastasis
Thinking is not the antidote to misinformation. Nothing competes with what people desire to believe, and more capacity means a deeper grip on the pieces of 'truth' that get them through the day. Intelligent people sustain dissonance for longer, a useful trick in a universe in which multiple things can seemingly be true at the same time and prevents the mind from assigning causation to every coincidence, unfortunately it can be made to go the other way with enough desire.
If you ever wanted to reach your aunt, it would be by successfully altering what she wants to see, not by challenging her perception of truth. Love is the key.
@@Silverfirefly1 Very insightful, thank you for those words as they have reshaped my mentality towards dealing with my mother of a similar issue. Cheers.
I looked up to my uncle for a long time until this recent election. It revealed to my whole family that sometime between 2020 and 2024 he had completely drunk the Kool Aid and fallen off the deep end. Sad stuff.
I’m just worried about how this will magnify the homeless issue and just make it worse with these quarter measure neoliberal policies. And right when another trump presidency comes. God could be one of the worst times in American history
Not to diminish the suffering of those who already lost their homes, but imagine had they not contained the sunset fire in Hollywood and it hits the core of LA... Could've been looking at hundreds of thousands losing their homes in one of the cities facing the worst of the housing crisis.
@@scorpion3128 and then the CEQA prevents them from rebuilding them homes for a minimum of seven years. So they end up back in Oklahoma, reliving the reverse Dust Bowl.
If it makes you feel better the LA city 2025 budget has 1.7 billion for homeless services, and only 1.8 billion for the LAPD. Next year the homeless will have officially become the largest single budget issue for the city.......... more money fixes problems, right fellow socialist?
Got got them lit up becuse trump won
It may not be one of the worst times, but it is one of the few times were the average person lives in decline.
i was talking to my bf about how no one is going to officially announce we have entered a dystopic reality. we all just have to kind of look around and decide that "normal" isn't coming back, and might not have ever even existed as we thought it did, and figure it out from there. younger generations are going to need redesign society from the ashes, literally and figuratively. we need to start thinking now, as everything is still burning, so that we have plans ready to roll when the smoke clears. good luck to all of us
For us it's a frog in boiling water situation. For the new generation, it will be their normal.
A lot of truth to what you're saying I think. The people driving us into this future won't warn us, why would they?
The answers already exist at least.
UBS (food, housing, healthcare, education and transportation services garenteed to all and free at point of use)
And democratic control of the means of production
here is a possibility; voluntary decentralized intentional communities formed through the collectivization of land
@@guillaumelagueyte1019 For our Grandma's it was a 'frog in a butter churn' . I know the song if you want to hear it..there's a tale of 2 frogs in a butter churn, from a tale of 2 frogs there's a lot to learn, they were caught in a fix made the one just stop but the other fought on...he came out on top...(chorus): you must'nt give uuuup, you've gotta go on, its always darkest before the dawn, before the dawn.
guess its better than a frog in a blender. ufdah
... saw something with Reagan's name on it on the map, felt the spiteful urge to want to see it burn down, had to reevaluate after seeing 'medical center' on it. You win this time, Reagan. You win this time.
"Yeah, everything sucks, but it's worse for Coco!"
Jesus christ I did NOT expect to start sobbing at a goat.
Coco just wants to retire in peace
*WHAT ASTONISHES ME* as a European, is 70% of your country are arguing about who is to blame when its all of you for doing zero about climate change as a nation
Climate change is mostly not responsible for what is happening in California. Over half of Californian wildfire is caused by its decrepit, ancient electric grid malfunctioning.
And that some people are completely okay with being like "haha they deserve to burn" just because of political support. Insane that a country that claims to be democratic is so okay with that
Climate Change cannot be stopped. Wait until Africa, Indonesia, and India industrialize. Hundreds of millions of women are living without running water in their homes - they want toilets, which means lots of fossil fuels being burned. What we need to do is spend the money to adapt.
we arent any better buddy💀
To be fair, a lot of us recognize climate change as an existential crisis, but we are largely powerless due to the control that the corporate overlords and billionaires have over everything, including Congress and many other politicians. We're just as pissed. I have no excuse for the hogs. Political action would be feasible if we were actually united, but them being the sheep they are, we have no real political recourse. We only have Luigi.
I also think young people feel less of a social contract because their is no government guaranteed minimum support for them, so they aren’t inclined to volunteer to help others when they feel they are on their own. Prior generations of young people volunteered more.
_How_ would they volunteer?
Every moment not spent working is spent relaxing.
They don't have time to have kids, let alone help others.
@@JoshSweetvaleThx the OP was really tone deaf. Ppl, are working extra jobs & nightspots & weekend shifts just to not go under. They have little/ no bandwidth & spoons to go volunteer.
@@beewest5704 thats exactly what i was thinking when vaush was kinda deriding young folks for "not doing more" as though half of us would even be allowed to. Nothing is as easy or simple as it once was. We cant get jobs that pay even rent and food, we need a second job to meet both those needs. Then we can only get jobs that make their schedule week by week or the managers are always calling or texting asking if youre free, so we literally never get out of that "work mode" because at any moment they can call you to come in. Then, most of us cant afford to live in decent areas so where we live would be far from the volunteer organizations, combined with low income areas having higher crime rates and disasters like this often leading to looting and such, were busy at home defending what little we have or trying to pack it up cause IT IS ALL WE HAVE. Or we have to travel to even reach the "local" volunteer organization. I had to drive an hour and a half for my nearest volunteer work one time. That cost me a lot of time and money, neither of which i have much of and it took me literal weeks to make up the difference that caused.
Finally, yeah, why should i volunteer? Im not gonna see a single social benefit, barely can even get a corporate benefit if im lucky, and im perpetually tired from not having enough time to unwind from all the damn shit im doing.
Its because what should have been communal tasks that used to be managed by one person (the unpaid and unvalued mothers of our nation) is now managed by each individual because theres no families because of changing dynamics and poor economics. So each person using has to do the same stuff in the same time one person used to do it all in.
Theres so so so many little tiny things that have all stacked up to make it infinitely exhausting to be a young person in todays society.
_"LA's on fire!! Quick!! Send more money to Israel!!"_
*- Washington D.C*
Payment for all the shipped weapons and free money given.
As usual, the problem is ✡️
It’s funny because it’s true
Deflect more
@@ineedapharmacistnot what he said. Thanks for outting yourself tho
That's almost twice as large as the area the US burned out when Tokyo was firebombed March 1945. Truly apocalyptic
But hilariously significantly smaller than the Oregon wildfires the handful of Japanese balloon bombs started, that killed literally only one person who triggered an unexploded bomb on accident.
@ASDeckard Interesting...the Tokyo bombing was incredibly lethal though. More than 100,000 people were killed
@@StinkCabbage Shouldn't have been doing mass murder in China and ethnic cleansing in Korea
@@StinkCabbageonly 100k thought 200k . But fine.
I loved in Tokio 12 years. Fire is taken very serious
Don't forget Dresden Germany. Great Britain and US heavy bombers could only destroy 1,600 acres over a three day period.
and you just *know* that they'll fill the place with shitty single family homes again and refuse to do proper urbanism after the fire.
They have a building code act which was passed in 2010. Most of the houses burned were built prior.
Wtf is “proper urbanism”?
@@TheElementFive building in 3D so that more people can live in a smaller area than before
@@Flexy59Somehow I doubt the solution to an urban cesspool of crime, homelessness, neglect, and malfeasance is to offer up the people fortunate enough to somewhat isolate themselves from all of that as sacrificial lambs to an even denser version of that hell.
@@TheElementFive Look at pictures of Barcelona, Amsterdam, and Berlin. All are fairly dense, with 6-8ish story buildings making up a large portion of housing stock. This allows for much more efficient utilities service (less length of [x], whether that is water pipes, electrical lines, or even location of parks and bus routes, required to serve the same number of people), as well as allowing for more housing stock to be built in a smaller area thus decreasing housing prices at the same distance away from the city center. Los Angeles does not do any of this-- there is pretty much only single family housing or skyscrapers, and the single family housing is very close to the city center. This means that many utilities and services are inefficient and expensive to maintain, as they must cover a gigantic amount of area (public transit is very slow and cannot reach to cover everyone, as everyone lives so far away-- this is the primary cause of the LA traffic, as public transit would otherwise be an efficient method of moving large amounts of people [see:Tokyo]). I would not say that these fires are caused by poor land management re:urbanism, but the lack of proper urbanism is one of the major factors why LA feels like a terrible place to exist in. If you are interested in more, I suggest watching videos from Not Just Bikes, as he is good at explaining things well. I am also a fan of Eco Gecko's series on faults with suburban development.
Yeah, trying to explain over and over again to my relatives that a: it doesn't *matter* if these fires *were* started by arson, because the fires *still* spiraled out of control wildly due to the weather factors at play and b: it is *just* as likely that this was started entirely by accident because California, surprise surprise, is prone to fires.
At least when Australia had its largest fires in history it was in summer. When that's SUPPOSED to happen.
No, not really. Australia is meant to go through controlled back burning during the winter. We aren't meant to have severe bushfire seasons during summers.
@@audreydoyle5268 Yeah, yeah, the whole thing with *fire reduction techniques* and *basic expectations of trying to pre-emptively keep things from getting out of hand*, I know climate change is why those weren't able to be executed to the necessary degree because the point at which they became too dangerous to execute arrived way too early. That's not what I'm talking about.
I'm specifically talking about how we got the worst bushfires during the time of year that is hot and dry, and America's fires are raging at the ostensibly coldest part of the year.
@@misirtere9836And usually it's our wettest. Wasn't too long we were flooded with a month long deluge of water. Of course, you aussies are probably all too aware of the problem of being beholden to a more extreme wet/dry season because of global warming.
I don’t know how it compares to our 2019 fires in Australia in terms of scale, very different landscapes impacted, but welcome to the age of fire tornadoes.
Saw a video of twin fire tornadoes and holy shit it was horrifying.
Maaan I KNOW the human centipede didn't just say to me "welcome to the age of fire tornadoes"
This is the worst timeline
I think the DT for the Black Summer of '19 was 34. And we lost around 2 million, I think, wildlife. 3000 houses burned.
16:00 the most convincing argument I have heard, why young folk do not volunteer, is that we are chronically afraid of commitment (for other reasons) and most volunteering orgs are based on perpetual memberships, rather than millennial /zoomer preferred "Come and help as a one off and we'll see what happens from there"
The boom was "The Art of Belonging" I can't remember the author
@@MrSomethingredSynopsis on reasons for being afraid of commitment? I know I volunteered less because of social anxiety. Indeed, my 'invasive species removal' group effort just asked you to show up if you could, and I benefited greatly because of it.
@@adissentingopinion848 i am also interested in a follow up.
I think it’s more that no one can afford to volunteer. Most of us are out here just barely scraping by ourselves and that’s by the design of our overlords. When we’re all so focused on self-preservation, who has time for collective action?
"Yeah young ones, volunteer to do free work to make up for all the 💩 the boomers are leaving you to deal with. "
And that s also why they are richer than your generation will ever be btw.
Really makes one young informed want to sit this one out...
“You wanna go hunt some feral ghouls for meat? Ok grandpa.”
Classic Vaush.
After the Chicago fire we built everything with bricks.
Then you go and build a bunch of frame houses for miles in a state with wildfires.
Bricks/concrete don’t do well with earthquakes which are more frequent of a threat.
Not even 2% of Chicago homes are made from brick.
@@TheunrealblenderThat’s why you build with reinforced concrete.
@Theunrealblender japanese had the same problem.
Not a single building cracks in a 7.2 earthquake.
Steel and rei forced concrete as well as proper civic engineering can do wonders.
But oh. I forgot. You Americans don't have enough the qualified workforce. Maybe try H1-B engineers ha?
@@KutluMizrak they actually don't want any regulations put in place that will force people to
* checks note *
build safer houses for humans to live in
volunteering is a nice thing, but it can be harder to do with less time in your day, older retired people also tend to have more time with it
At this rate, all that will be left of LA is its representation in GTA 5
A serious rewrite of construction standards is needed.
Abolition of "petroleum coated wooden shingles", requiring roofing to be sheet metal, concrete/ceramic tile.
Abolition of wooden framing replaced by steel framing as used in Australia.
Fire resistant mineral wool insulation mandatory in both walls and roof.
Mineral wool fire blanket placed on the top of insulation layer in roofs.
The outer wall plastic vapor layer attached to frames replaced with high strength aluminum foil.
Exterior walls to be ceramic/steel sheeting.
Compressed wood and plastic flooring abolished flooring required to be built with concrete panel flooring.
Wooden windows and doors replaced with aluminum.
No internal wooden paneling.
All electrical wiring installed in conduits, 12v DC wiring only in roofs, LED roof lighting compulsory.
Abolition of garages, cars to kept in driveways.
Too much fire prone junk and additional cars accumulate in garages.
It would be much better if destroyed housing replaced by terraces/English style row housing.
Better mass transit built; the opportunity is there with considerable vacant land now available.
The costs of improved construction standards should result in a much-needed size reduction of houses.
So you want to fix the housing crisis..... by radically increasing the cost of building homes, and radically reducing the number of people qualified to do the majority of the work? Why do modern homes have so little metal in them? Because home builders have almost no one on staff qualified to do metalworking. If you constrain construction labor right when you want to do a bunch of construction, what happens to prices?
Edit: oh, and literally not a single example you've given would have helped at all in either of these fires. Entirely stone and mortar stores were cracked and caved in by the heat, and the fire jumped right over them. Unironically look at the cost of a steel sided building vs a wood one. Just right now, go check, and then check the temperature limits (they are literally the same) they can survive.
But how will Blackrock and Tricon buy a house for $50k within seconds of it hitting the market only to rent it for $7,800 a month???
Do you know how hot a Wildfire is? Cause this is the list I would expect from a fucking 6 year old.
We still use heaps of timber framing in Aus...
Wooden window frames are super uncommon in new builds here, but they're the best for thermal performance of a house, as heat travels through metal a lot faster.
@@ASDeckard Metal working is not required,
Most house frames in Australia are pre built in factories, coated metal,
only assembly is required.
Tools needed a couple of screwdrivers/spanners, riveter, level and hammer drill for the hole in the concrete floor panel.
Requires an insignificant level of training a few days or maybe a week, requires the skill set of LEGO assembly.
It's a do it yourself process or low skill labor with much reduced assembly time compared to timber frames, it's cheaper than wood as are concrete floor panels.
If all new buildings are built without wood, with quality materials, then fires will be self suppressed with the elimination of combustible material.
Timber framed, clad and shingled buildings are only built by the ignorant.
Ah, you've forgotten about the fires next year.
This summer*
Lacking proper forest management paired with a warmer climate has a tendency to lead to huge firestorms. Alaska and Canada let their forests burn. There are even prescribed burns to prevent this very thing from happening.
Please point out the forest that is currently on fire in the LA metro area
I didn't realize California, that performed literally half of all proscribed burns on the entire xxxxing planet last year, didn't already do these things. Crazy. Oh look, California also employs *HALF* of the entire nations forestry workers. Clearly they need to do the forest management stuffs, because they're not already.
@ASDeckard Well since my comment keeps getting deleted, you can go on NPR and look up an issue in October of 2024 when the forest service in California ceased prescribed burns and there were concerns regarding that decision. Additionally there is evidence that says that the South Eastern United States actually leads the pack. The closest number for California that I could find was a mere 35.000 acres, vs Florida's 1.2 million acres. I cannot post the links however a quick Google search really disproves your assertions here. 🤦
Well someone keeps deleting my comments in response to Deckard. Now the forest service in California ceased prescribed burns in October of 2024, NPR had an article laying out concerns regarding that decision. Additionally the Southeastern US leads the pack in prescribed burns. Florida sits at a comfy 1.2 million acres for instance, while California was at a 35,000 acre figure. Point being Deckard's assertions can be quickly proven false with a Google search and some reading.
@nenafan1 Topanga State Park's Forest is what burned down Pacific Palisades, the woodlands around the Hollywood Hills which correct me if I'm wrong is part of Angeles National Forest.
Every new year breaks the record on something being the worst in history. It's only January!
"young people don't volunteer". Dude, I literally just came back from sorting clothes for a shelter and 80% of the people there were younger than me.
This is the type of disaster I used to read about in novels or watch in movies back in the 70s. You could almost see Charleton Heston or Ava Gardner or Jack Lemmon in this. Whodathought they were prescient?
There are a few things that this fires make me think about:
1st: if fires of this magnitude and intensity were happening in any other country and had destroyed as many houses in "nice areas", people all over the world would be saying: "that country is a failure, their firefighting systems are collapsed, they suck, they are disorganized, poor, underdeveloped, stupid, corrupt, unprepared..." but because it happened in one of the richest places in the US (and the world) people say "it is a tragedy"... No, it is not just a tragedy, the same adjectives apply.
2nd: Not enough people in the conservative side are talking about the change in the climatic conditions that allowed for this fires to happen, in January (peak of the winter in the northern hemisphere), some people might say things like "the climate is different now" but they rarely admit that this is what we have been saying when we refer to climate change. There is a complete denial about the root causes.
3rd: many people in the left don't want to admit that there is an inadequate fire prevention and extinction mechanism implemented, and they don't want to admitted it because california has been governed by "their side" for almost 20 years... Selective blindness I guess.
4th: that region cannot support a population that large living so widespread across such a large area. And not enough investment has been done on desalination, so there is lack of water that is managed by "rationing", but rationing does not work when you are trying to fight a fire...
This is one of the signs of a collapsing society: the inability to maintain the correct functioning of the existing systems and infrastructures... Take your own conclusions about that.
The fires killed almost no one. The fires in Portugal last year killed far more people. The fires didn't destroy that many homes. India has had six fires this year that destroyed more.
The only thing unique about this fire from a global perspective is how expensive the damage was, but that's what happens when your average home prices is over 2 million. The rich penthouse parts of other nations don't reach averages that high. There are entire 1st world cities that are worth less than the small part of LA that burned here, and 3rd world nations that are worth less.
This was a historically bad fire for America, but not very impressive by almost any other nations standards. England had a fire that killed 4k people. Hell, San Fransisco had a fire in 1906 that killed 3k people *at least,* and leveled 80% of the city. What did these fires do, 7% of LA?
Why do people lie so blatantly? Come back when at least 100 people are dead, you know, the number that die in a normal Chinese apartment fire that happen 10x's of times a year.
Who is saying otherwise for your first point?
This is arguably the actual main point. Nothing has actually broken through the willful ignorance of the right.
Yet again, no one is saying this. But the natural follow up is, what do you suggest be done? If it doesn’t rain, it doesn’t rain. Prevention can only go so far if there is a drought.
As far as I’m aware, saltwater puts out fires just as well as freshwater. Not sure your point there at all, unless you want to plop a big pump off the pier with a really, really long hose to get the ocean water miles inland
@@nenafan1 sea water is 3% salt. Not only does it quickly damage equipment by corroding it, but when you use sea water to put out the fire you are literally salting the Earth.
@@nzuckman Most of the areas affected by wildfires in California are not agricultural hubs though. They are either arid shrubby areas, or they are dry forests. Your argument that sea water would salt the Earth because you put down a fire with it is stupid. Salt left by water is washed up during rainy season. It is a problem only in areas that receives no or next to none rain. California does have a rainy season, accompanied by a long period of drought.
@@ASDeckard you are actually proving my pint number 1, "nothing to see here, this fire was not that bad, we are actually doing great, our fires are better than other countries fires"...
More than 20 000 buildings and structures have burnt so far...
And there was a situation of insufficient water in the fire hydrants, due to insufficient water pressure, due to lack of water... there are also no strategic water reservoirs to fight fires, because there isn't enough funding and water...
Oh, and saltwater can't be used to put out forest fires because it damages the soils.
Face the truth: you need desalination plants.
you know. the fires are still going and if the wind goes the wrong direction, the whole of LA could theoretically burn down. Which would be quite frankly, biblical.
The Getty is also protected by an extensive landscape sprinkler system and they manage the property very well to get rid of fire hazards.
Vaush sounds like the SNL sketch called "The Californians" where they discuss events based on highway routes and landmarks.
That "Focus on gratitude" hit me wrong...
They gonna focus on gratitude when they find out Edison Electric's crap towers caused this?
Yeah sometimes being fucking pissed off is completely justified
A 5 second advertisement withheld this video from me for far too long
Why don't you just use brave or an ad blocker, we are not in 2006 anymore, we can deal with ads.
beware of rains after fires - they can cause mudslides
but somehow just stop oil was worth months of discourse
You're right, why did people insist on wasting time arguing that they were somehow going to prevent stuff like this?
This has been so terrifying to watch, we have to get the climate crisis under control. Its good that covid conscious folks were investing in mask blocs throughout this time, which the state has been able to rely on. I hope this leads to a shift more broadly towards mask-use to protect communities, maybe this could help to depoliticise it.
Needed to act decades ago, far too late now
The Arsonist narrative was also spouted during the last catastrophic fire event in Australia.
Let the California tech billionaires pay the bill.
A lot of people forget this, but the Chicago Fire was just a small part of the The Great Fires of 1871 that devastated a number of locations around the great lakes, the fires also killed over a thousand people in Peshtigo, Wisconsin. Holland, Manistee and Port Huron Michigan also caught fire, as well as Windsor Ontario.
As a result of the wild fires at the time, the city of Singapore Michigan over logged to supply the rebuilding, the clearing lead to sand dunes along Lake Michigan to over taking the town, so that is another indirect casualty of the great fires.
This isn't to take away from how severe the fires are in LA, it's crazy to see such a devastating fire in our modern day. The people impacted in LA deserve so much support in this time of need.
I guess Maynard didn't quite get what he asked for in the end. Praying for rain and tidal waves to flush it all down, but "Mom" decided to burn it instead.
He's been president for less than a week and things are already LITERALLY on fire.
Marvelous.
What president? Joe Biden has been in office for nearly 4 years.
Uhh I don't think he's sworn in till the 20th or so
What a brain rot comment. Trump is not yet president. He will be inaugurated on the 20th. And how is he responsible for what is happening in California? This is the responsibility of the Los Angeles mayor, who cut firefighter funds recently, the firefighter leader, who promoted DEI among its employees instead of doing their jobs and Gavin Newsom. All DEMOCRATS.
The new Congress and election certification was last week. The presidential inauguration is on the 20th.
We break a new fire record every year. Hell one year we broke it several times in the span of a few weeks.
But nahhh, it’s gotta be those pesky migrants.
To lose ALL your personal possessions. GOD!
POV sitting in my studio in Sawtelle watching Vaush explain to me that my neighborhood is an evacuation zone... 😅
Coco the goat...I'm sorry...I just, can't.
The idea we settle places not fit for large scale human occupation and get shocked when nature ravages these areas is wild to me. Like of course if you massively settle a fire prone area that naturally burns as part of the eco system, and you over develop it with homes and infrastructure, that make these disasters worse. We need like 5 million people to leave the area of Southern California permanently. That number might even be low. People gotta pick areas to live where they dont overpopulate and the risks are lessened. Moving to CA or FL or TX today is insanity.
Water shortages without fire and these people got golf courses and everyone has pools like of course, nothing can go wrong. Y'all got no water and the land burns, but let's move there by the millions. Let's make the water so scarce we can't find pressure to fight fires because 14 million people are using it in a desert. My state will reject a pipeline to bail the desert out, MI isn't going for it.
@@jessebanda4953there was no water shortage. They didn't run out of water. The reservoirs were above averagely full. The problem was they didn't build the pumping system with this scale of fire in mind because nothing like this has ever happened before. They relied on a gravity fed water system with 3 million gallons in tanks at the top of the hill. They pumped water up to the tanks before the fire but then relied on the tanks and couldn't refill them fast enough to keep up with demand. They just need a lot more powerful pumps with larger pipes to distribute water, and backup power supplies for those pumps so they keep running in a power cut.
pray for coco :(
My 21 yr old daughter and my wife are helping. I’m laid up in post-operative pain.
200k people evacuated is like a small city of population already
200,000 isn't a small city, that's at least a medium sized city.
Living in Central NC I've dealt with 19° late last year and 55° in January. That should be proof enough the climate is fucked. It also just snowed for the first time in 2 years.
And by snow I mean a few centimeters of ice.
Lots of rich people gonna be getting big insurance payouts... nothing to see here...
There are some super rich folks in Palisades, not everyone, but the majority of Altadena is middle/working class.
And there are PLENTY of ordinary type people who'll also suffer. A number of these people had not yet replaced the fire insurance that was jerked out from under them a while back by their money grubbing insurance company.
People with lawyers will get their $. Everyone else will get dicked around by punctuation and caveats.
@@Gary-u8r Insurance companies in California over the last 10 years have a literal negative 8% margin. That is catastrophic. For those who don't know how numbers work, a positive 10% is ideal and below 5% the business is unlikely to survive. A negative margin literally means they are heading straight to bankruptcy.
Specifically last year they lost an entire 10 years of income in a single year, hence the 10 year average suddenly dropping from a not at all healthy 3.8%, which was already bad, all the way to the above mentioned -8%. They can't even pay out half of the claims from these fires without bankrupting immediately, and without a popular vote from the populace it's not legal for the government to bail them out.
So there are two choices: let them go bankrupt and California just doesn't have fire insurance at all anymore, and everyone needs to use the state run alternative that is catastrophically expensive (it's a straight people pay in via fees what they take out, so you get the insurance money up front, but basically as a loan and then need to pay it off forever), or accept the rates going to the moon and becoming extremely expensive.
The amount of money in fire insurance is pathetic. Less than 400$ a year per home on average. It takes literally more than a thousand years for the company to make back their money from you if you end up needing the insurance, which means you *must* have at least 1k homes per home that burns down per year for the company to survive, even if you assume 100% business efficiency, as in their staff literally never gets paid for anything and all of their infrastructure is free.
But now because the fire insurance has gone up so much Californian's in not at risk area's have pulled out en mass, pushing up how much they need per home that much higher. Sit down and do the math yourself some day: the costs are so high it's basically just not possible to have private market insurance for it anymore with what people are willing to pay, which means the only alternative is to provide it via government and mandatory taxes, which will more than quadruple the property tax burden in the state (with admittedly low property taxes on average, but regardless do we really want to make owning homes in California that much more expensive? Maybe, but understand that's the choice you're making).
@@atticusandwinifred3274 Totally correct, I'm a working class guy who lived in Altadena. Thank goodness for generous relatives elsewhere in the county, because I have no home to return to now.
I am surprised that there is no accusation about a Chinese satellite laser wich will had start the fire.
There will be - give it time. Chinese ballon lasers, cos only the Woos are technologically advanced enough to have space lasers...
I've been dealing with that sort of thing on FB.
Concrete rapidly looses it's structure integrity when exposed to heat. While it may still be standing and look fine. It be could collapse at anytime.
Hey maybe we should stop building cities out of flammable materials?
Ty
We Californians really do everything the best.
I have to disagree, young people don't volunteer because we are exhausted because we don't have the money
Remember that fire in Colorado that was caused by an electrical charge an high winds a couple of years ago?
You can't get by in the NorCal foothills without a generator now. PG&E cuts power at the drop of a hat.
@@hankhillsnrrwurethra Well yeah... when your electric grid is older than you grandparents... that tends to happen. Maybe invest less in green energy and more in replacing the aging electric grid, which is the main culprit that causes wildfires? You remember the 2018 Camp fire? The one that burned Paradise to the ground, killing almost 100 people? That wildfire was started by an electric tower built in 1921.
Vaush bashing midwesterners for their cold tolerance saying the 103 degree dry heat is anything compared to 98 degree 80+ percent humidity that routinely sets up in the Midwest
There were many big wildfires in IL and WI concurrent with the Great Chicago Fire.
The Great Fires of 1871 were a series of conflagrations that took place throughout the final days of September and first weeks of October 1871 in the United States,
primarily occurring in the Midwestern United States. These fires include the Great Chicago Fire, Peshtigo Fire, and Great Michigan Fire.
In total, the fires burnt more than 3,000,000 acres (1,200,000 ha) of land and killed thousands. - Wiki
Yeah, bring all the beautiful art from Europe to a hill in a dry region in a country thousands of kilometres away that burns regularly! I hope they can safe that bloody building AND the art inside of it
As compared to every major art museum in Europe which are in the top targets for nukes and climate change caused flooding
*in homer voice* the worst firees in your history SO FAR !
Well see, if it was arson, then they can blame the arsonist. Instead of the people in power that have, for decades, neglected their forests and putting out all the tiny fires that clear the underbrush, - which is the primary cause of these massive firestorms that just overwhelm even the best slave-labor firefighting crews. Fires are going to happen, you can either let the small ones happen so you don't get massive ones every year. Or you can invest in manually removing all of that excess fuel from the forests so you do not get massive firestorms.
Alternatively, throw the politicians responsible into the fire, maybe their successor will think twice about their fiscal priorities.
Goodbye 2024
Hello 1871
vaush: "obviously you cannot apply inflation to human lives"
hentai artists:
It’s desert, drained of water supply and heavily populated. There are major fires in the
Sub Saharan crossing the continent
You should watch John Oliver's segment on the CA electric grid system and how antiquated it is
This is the only logical outcome when money is your god
I’m convinced we’re going to have to lose a city the media and political class cares about at this point.
LA literally is the media / Hollywood!
@ We haven’t lost LA yet. I mean the whole thing.
@@matthewcaldwell8100maybe we should...
I lived in Altadena until last week (house gone), the rich don't care about us, it's a super diverse community without a ton of mega wealthy people.
@ yes, I understand that not everyone in a region of millions is rich. Miraculously, I figured that out.
If this were in China it wouldnt happen because they live in 40 story apartments not stick houses
After 1666, we in the uk built our cities with bricks and not wood, hopefully LA can learn the same lessons in 2025 🙏
Apparently they can't use brick because of the earthquakes.
LA can get down to 40 to 35 degrees at night in the winter.
Honest question - what do the people who lost their homes even do with their jobs? Some of them might not be able to work? Would their bosses actually fire them ontop of this?
It wouldn't surprise me if they did, the US work culture is so bad that I'd find it unbelievable in a novel
Am in my 30s and i been volunteering since i was 15 years old i wanna say i get crapped on for someone being young and working for free i get told i should be making extra money even tho the museum i volunteer for cant provide that and by law cant provide it so ur pretty much right a lot of these other younger people just dont wanna volunteer cus there lazy playing video games and would rather wanna get paid.
Yeah I don’t feel bad about using my free time for myself at all
Get better at hobbies and passions or relax
People talking about arsonists like their pyromancers
"Wildfires serve geoengineering agendas."- Dane Wigington.
Also the biggest Black Friday sale of real estate in LA history that'll be relegated to a rent-only dystopia. That and it'll have more commercial buildings, taking away opportunities for people to actually live.
Well actually, they will be the least worst fires for the next 1000 years.
The news trying to infantilize people helping each other out is beyond revolting.
In 2017-2021 there started the giant California wildfires of hundreds of thousands of acres, but they didn’t hit as many city centers as the current LA fires. Even from then it was obvious it’s only a matter of time
The GOP is actively saying they will need to see if California should receive disaster aid. We just dont give AF about anyone anymore who isnt on our side.
If u were wondering, it burned near the Getty Villa and some of the grounds (separate location, replica of a Roman Villa, holds and displays Greek and Roman art) but the building itself was unscathed. That might be what everyone was thinking of
Once everything burns... nothing will!
The worst fire in the Texas panhandle was the Smokehouse fire and it was caused by a downed power line. It was similar conditions. There had been tons of dry, dead plants from having a very wet spring and then dry weather. Some really strong wind gusts caused an old worn out power pole to snap in half.
Worst in history so far
San Fransisco burned down 80% of the city and killed at least 3k people. Why do people lie so blatantly?
Thank you Vaush for covering this topic.
This is the saddest thing I've seen happen to this country since 9/11.
My entire town only has 150k, I can’t imagine all trying to leave at the same time and we have a lot more open space than LA 😢
Multifamily buildings to the rescue!
Many areas in Palisades and Altadena are not zoned for more than two units.
@@atticusandwinifred3274that is exactly the problem!
climate change and our society's response really is just like someone with a pond next to them watching and screaming at the ants for burning their house down before their eyes
120 years ago, my hometown burnt down in 1905, then again in 1913
Didn't that Wisconsin forest fire kill thousands?
Wonder how bad it’s going to be next year…
Also the more able volunteers, might be elsewhere doing harder tasks.
Love from a Suris and ViceRhino fan!
Unfortunately, it also gets hot here in the summertime in the Midwest. We've been getting weeks in the high 90s.
It really would be fitting if GTA VI was self aware enough to have a whole section of the game take place during a generation defining disaster.
I’d argue there’s some human involvement - the are would be less arid if it wasn’t for the people taking the water for agriculture.