13:43 !!!! The LWotC devs felt an overwhelming sense of peace and fulfillment whenever they touched the bucket. "Make chosen stronger" the bucket whispered to them. "Yes. I must do what the bucket says" the devs thought to themselves
List of things I learned from this video: 1: missions have a threshold for detection 2: recruiting rebels is only good when you want new rebels, but don’t want more vigilance in the region. 3: The intel job doesn’t give intel directly to you 4: supplies have a soft cap in each region 5: you get a free resistance radio tower when you hack a network tower(makes a surprising amount of sense) 6: Psionics, Scanning Protocol, and Battlescanners affect Faceless detection chances. 7: there is no limit to the number of people in a haven, but only thirteen can be working at any one time. 8:(in the comments) resistance personnel can level up and perform better when leveled up So, when are you going to post the next tutorials? I’d love to learn about infiltration mechanics and other fun stuff like that.
To clarify two things: 3: You still get a small trickle of intel from the Intel job, but it's different from the intel used for mission detection (and I haven't actually found the numbers for that) 6: Those three don't affect faceless detection, but rather reduce the chance of a new rebel being a faceless (instead of 1:6 you get a 0.6 multiplier on top of that for each) - btw, something I only learned myself a few weeks ago. Also, now that you mention faceless detection: another little thing I had in my notes and kind of forgot: detection chance is increased by soldier rank, psionic rank and officer rank.
Right, as for the next tutorial: have not recorded anything for it yet, kind of aiming for 1 tutorial video per week, depending on how long it takes. Got to decide how much detail I want to put into this.
Oh damn, I did not realise you were given a free tower after lib4... I think I'm at about 1k hours for LW2/LWoTC yet didn't know that. Thank you so much.
Thank you for these! Was very hard to find info on this stuff, this is exactly what I needed, and something that should be more explained in the game imo as it single-handedly determines how well your run will go.
Excellent, well explained and much needed vid (for me anyway). Thanks for taking the time to do this and also thanks to the commenters for their useful questions/comments. I *think* I am happily going to have to start a new campaign. :D cheers DA.
Thank you for this Tutorial. I had mistakes that I had in my previous Campaign: 1. Switching jobs too often (right after getting 2 missions I switched to supply, not knowing about 24 hours delay) 2. Having more than 3 jobs in dangerous areas. That resulted in retaliation missions that I couldn't complete without loses. I still have questions about LWOTC. What concerns me are permanent dark events. I get lots of them, and most of the time I don't get missions to prevent them. I prevented a permanent event only once out of 10, maybe. And why would I get them, anyway? I don't have permanent dark event option enabled in a second wave menu.
Permanent Dark Events are basically just there to give enemies some scaling into the late game so that they remain a challenge. If you can cancel one it's great, but just assume most of them will go through and the game is also balanced around the idea that the enemies will get those additional strengths and abilities as the game goes on.
Supply rebel is the biggest underwhelming disappointing joke in whole LW2. You gain Intel instantly to use, but for supply you have to wait for weeks and then waste time to scan the crates only to find like 20 supplies at the end of the month lol Hell No. With early detection and boost you can earn 10x more supplies than that from the missions (hackings, grap missions, selling loot, rescuing more rebels) Not to mention you will have more healthy missions, soldiers , more scientists engineers, loot, tech, provinences , dark event and avatar project counters everything. Your suggestions to when and where to use them are on point thank you very much. I wish they gave 3x more money to make them viable early game and make the game more variable strategically.
an sich ne gründliche zusammenfassund auch für anfänger (denke ich zumindest) was du am ende noch hättest erwähnen können: a: wie laufen rendezvous ab und b: wie laufen die verschiedenen retaliations ab. also n kurzer umriss. und natürlich wie die liberation-missionen aussehen. außer natürlich du hast vor das im nächsten video oder in nem speziellen video zu erklären
Ja, im Interesse der zeit dacht ich mir, ein separates Video über die verschiedenen Missionen, die es so gibt, zu machen. Wobei ich vielleicht die Mini-Retaliation missionen noch hätte mit reinnehmen können, weil die ja schon mit den Jobs zusammenhängen - aber 30 Minuten is halt schon etwas happig hier
I never knew this! I just went on a mission and got reinforcments every other turn turns out that region has an advent strengh of 10! i am kicking myself for forgoing the "stop advent from moving troops into the region"
I'm in a similar position except I didn't realize that vigilance affects your missions and what kind you can even get in the region, I thought it was just how much strength they wanted, lol. So I had 4-5 strength which is almost too much but manageable, but I have over 24 vigilance or so cuz I didn't think it mattered lol
An invasion can happen if an adjacent region is at strength 8 or higher. So as long as you know the strength around your liberated regions you can see, where an invasion could potentially happen.
Quick 2021 sticky note here: If you are playing the latest Long War of the Chosen Dev Build (25+) then note that there was a change for the recruitment job: you can now have up to 5 people on recruitment without triggering the recruitment retaliation . In addition, some details in regards to full retaliations have been made clearer since the creation of this video - please refer to this handy sheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xgqKQQX6My1I84QXQM94O4pl9D9Unts7-C-sgaMoNyM/edit#gid=0
I find the spreadsheet a bit confusing DerAva, specially the bit about faceless counting as rebels for jobs. Would you mind ellaborating a bit on that? Or where could I ask further questions in discord, what channel etc?
Great question, and just realized I forgot to mention it. Rebels can come in 3 levels. You can spot level 2 and 3 rebels in the overview by looking for rebels that have skill icons next to their name. They get 2 skills per promotion, so 2 skills=level 2, 4 skills= level 3. Higher rank rebels are 50% more productive per promotion level, so a level 2 rebel gets a 1.5x multiplier to whatever they do, a level 3 rebel a 2x multiplier. Finally, rebel promotion happen randomly over time, so they are not related to rebels being on missions and getting kills there. Every 21 days level 1 rebels have a 10% chance to get promoted to level 2. Every 42 days level 2 rebels have a 5% chance to get promoted to level3.
Hi, thank for your videos! Would you be kind enough to make a Long War of the Chosen install guide please? I'm playing LW2 but would love to play the addition content!
This is a great suggestion! I am too currently playing LW2 on a vanilla steam install but would love to have a guide available on how to correctly install the newest LWOTC beta. I actually intended on using a Mod Manager but I had issues - although it started - the geoscape was not workong correctly. Once I reverted to using the steam launcher the issue subsided... Oh and thanks for your videos - subbed 👍
Great video, thanks. Interesting if i pause the scan or just sitting with my avenger in that region after a mission does that also counts as scanning/boosting with avenger? i mean while i'm in geoscape and time goes slowly in minutes?
@@DerAva It looks cool, has that programmer's design vibe to it! Being one myself, I like it! Also, where did these images came? Rebel with burgers seems like the perfect recruitment strategy!
does that mean its a legitimate strat to just train like 20 level 1 psi ops and have only them as resistance managers? They're technically the lowest investment highest search rate soldiers that you can have stationed, right? Am I missing something?
That is up to you as the commander in the strategic layer. if you want to go for the mission: what kind of rewards are you getting for it? is it worth the infiltration time that you have left, is it worth the fatigue you're guaranteed to get, is it worth the wounds and deaths you might get if you suck? is it worth the increased advent vigilance? if you try to do every mission every time, you'll run out of soldiers and advent will start stacking like 50 troops per mission in your region to try to get you to fuck off. plus, you still have to have soldiers not on missions or recovery so you can always have haven advisors and keep people in psi tubes and training tubes if you decide not to attempt a mission, what negative effect will come? if you pass up this Guerilla op, can you live with the dark event that comes? if you don't ambush the troop column, the advent strength in the region will go up, making your other missions harder. your decisions on when to take and when to abandon missions define your play style as the commander, and shape the challenges you'll actually experience on the run
Hi, another question from me. I'm a noob and was playing LW2 vanilla with no dlc. I now have all dlc. My question is: what dlc(s) have you got installed on your LW2? (obvs not WOTC)
@@DerAva I am copying you exactly. I was running LW2 with no dlc and it was fine. Now, with dlc it has crashed x 3 saying something about 'pure virtual' whatnots I am reinstalling and mirroring your setup exactly. Hopefully that will eradicate the crashes. Thanks for the reply and your playthroughs. I'm learning a lot!
I'd say you want your first liberation done in May/June (June/July for Legend) and then a second probably around August/September. Third is optional but certainly helps.
advent strenght I don't get it. Ok, you get reinforcements faster, but other than that? If you have extremely light missions, what.. you get 9 enemies instead of 7?
Higher Advent Strength will mean that the base amount of enemies on the mission is higher. Let's say you find exactly the same mission with a timer that allows you to infiltrate to 100%. In a Strength 2 Region that probably means it's now extremely light with 7-9 enemies, in a Strength 5 Region this might be a light (13-15) or even light-medium (16-18) mission.
@@DerAva so if I start infiltrating at advent strength 2 then it goes up to 3, I might get a Very Light at 100% instead of Extremely light (say I only left 3-4 hours window time). That's probably why I sometimes got must launch at Very Light when it showed Extremely Light in my timer. Thanks
Thanks for 2 min of ads that you can't skip youtube. Hop creators start complaining because every ad I sit through makes me go to other platforms more and more
Suggestion for tutorials. How to reliably (as reliably as possible) win missions , play the tactical combat and what missions should you do and what missions are a trap and loadouts. For the newbies. And to make u suffer with editing them 😈😈
13:43
!!!!
The LWotC devs felt an overwhelming sense of peace and fulfillment whenever they touched the bucket.
"Make chosen stronger" the bucket whispered to them. "Yes. I must do what the bucket says" the devs thought to themselves
List of things I learned from this video:
1: missions have a threshold for detection
2: recruiting rebels is only good when you want new rebels, but don’t want more vigilance in the region.
3: The intel job doesn’t give intel directly to you
4: supplies have a soft cap in each region
5: you get a free resistance radio tower when you hack a network tower(makes a surprising amount of sense)
6: Psionics, Scanning Protocol, and Battlescanners affect Faceless detection chances.
7: there is no limit to the number of people in a haven, but only thirteen can be working at any one time.
8:(in the comments) resistance personnel can level up and perform better when leveled up
So, when are you going to post the next tutorials? I’d love to learn about infiltration mechanics and other fun stuff like that.
To clarify two things:
3: You still get a small trickle of intel from the Intel job, but it's different from the intel used for mission detection (and I haven't actually found the numbers for that)
6: Those three don't affect faceless detection, but rather reduce the chance of a new rebel being a faceless (instead of 1:6 you get a 0.6 multiplier on top of that for each) - btw, something I only learned myself a few weeks ago.
Also, now that you mention faceless detection: another little thing I had in my notes and kind of forgot: detection chance is increased by soldier rank, psionic rank and officer rank.
DerAva thank you for the clarification. I’ll still put battle scanners on any soldier I put on Advisor duty.
Right, as for the next tutorial: have not recorded anything for it yet, kind of aiming for 1 tutorial video per week, depending on how long it takes. Got to decide how much detail I want to put into this.
DerAva sounds great!
Do Templar count the same as Psionics? I have great success when I have a templar start with them in havens.
Oh damn, I did not realise you were given a free tower after lib4... I think I'm at about 1k hours for LW2/LWoTC yet didn't know that. Thank you so much.
Phenomenal video. I've played hundreds of hours and never knew any of this. No wonder I've lost so many worlds...
'Buckets' of information presented effectively, thanks!
So, took me a day here, but had to come back since this name looked oddly familiar - hey buddy :D
Pro tip: an Advent Burger wrapper makes a handy notebook to keep this information to hand when most needed
[angry Bradford noises]
@@DerAva "Commander, the aliens continue to make *borgers* on the *command center.* If we're going to slow them down, we'll need to *become fat."*
Thank you for these! Was very hard to find info on this stuff, this is exactly what I needed, and something that should be more explained in the game imo as it single-handedly determines how well your run will go.
Extremely fantastic for adding in details I didn't know about. I know it was 2 years ago but I appreciate it!
4th video I've watched on haven management and this is the first one that explained what I was looking for, thanks for making it
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I look forward to your future tutorial videos!
These videos are insanely useful!
Excellent guide. Really explained a lot of the questions I had about the mod. Thanks!
Well done with this tutorial! Just what I was looking for.
Best video I've seen about Long War. Thanks!
well done, sir - an excellent tutorial - keep them coming!
Excellent, well explained and much needed vid (for me anyway). Thanks for taking the time to do this and also thanks to the commenters for their useful questions/comments. I *think* I am happily going to have to start a new campaign. :D
cheers DA.
Thank you for this Tutorial. I had mistakes that I had in my previous Campaign:
1. Switching jobs too often (right after getting 2 missions I switched to supply, not knowing about 24 hours delay)
2. Having more than 3 jobs in dangerous areas. That resulted in retaliation missions that I couldn't complete without loses.
I still have questions about LWOTC. What concerns me are permanent dark events. I get lots of them, and most of the time I don't get missions to prevent them. I prevented a permanent event only once out of 10, maybe. And why would I get them, anyway? I don't have permanent dark event option enabled in a second wave menu.
Permanent Dark Events are basically just there to give enemies some scaling into the late game so that they remain a challenge. If you can cancel one it's great, but just assume most of them will go through and the game is also balanced around the idea that the enemies will get those additional strengths and abilities as the game goes on.
As for not having the « permanent » option ticked, I’m pretty sure it makes temporary dark events like having the lost on more missions permanent.
Thank you this is what i needed!
This is so well explained holy banane!
Thank you i was so confused at the start, helped a lot , thx mate :)
Supply rebel is the biggest underwhelming disappointing joke in whole LW2. You gain Intel instantly to use, but for supply you have to wait for weeks and then waste time to scan the crates only to find like 20 supplies at the end of the month lol Hell No. With early detection and boost you can earn 10x more supplies than that from the missions (hackings, grap missions, selling loot, rescuing more rebels) Not to mention you will have more healthy missions, soldiers , more scientists engineers, loot, tech, provinences , dark event and avatar project counters everything. Your suggestions to when and where to use them are on point thank you very much. I wish they gave 3x more money to make them viable early game and make the game more variable strategically.
an sich ne gründliche zusammenfassund auch für anfänger (denke ich zumindest) was du am ende noch hättest erwähnen können: a: wie laufen rendezvous ab und b: wie laufen die verschiedenen retaliations ab. also n kurzer umriss. und natürlich wie die liberation-missionen aussehen. außer natürlich du hast vor das im nächsten video oder in nem speziellen video zu erklären
Ja, im Interesse der zeit dacht ich mir, ein separates Video über die verschiedenen Missionen, die es so gibt, zu machen. Wobei ich vielleicht die Mini-Retaliation missionen noch hätte mit reinnehmen können, weil die ja schon mit den Jobs zusammenhängen - aber 30 Minuten is halt schon etwas happig hier
Excellent video. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
I never knew this!
I just went on a mission and got reinforcments every other turn
turns out that region has an advent strengh of 10!
i am kicking myself for forgoing the "stop advent from moving troops into the region"
I'm in a similar position except I didn't realize that vigilance affects your missions and what kind you can even get in the region, I thought it was just how much strength they wanted, lol. So I had 4-5 strength which is almost too much but manageable, but I have over 24 vigilance or so cuz I didn't think it mattered lol
Awesome video. Can you also make another short video how to liberate a region and what to expect in terms of difficulty?
Interesting idea. I'll see if I can put something together.
Ich würde dir meine sechs Daumen geben wenn es möglich wäre!
Vielen Dank und weiterhin viel Erfolg
Very great tutorial .thx thx thx
Great guide!
Very helpful, thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Very Helpful - THX a lot
You said you can put guys on intel if you suspect an invasion but how would you suspect that without save scumming?
An invasion can happen if an adjacent region is at strength 8 or higher. So as long as you know the strength around your liberated regions you can see, where an invasion could potentially happen.
Quick 2021 sticky note here: If you are playing the latest Long War of the Chosen Dev Build (25+) then note that there was a change for the recruitment job: you can now have up to 5 people on recruitment without triggering the recruitment retaliation . In addition, some details in regards to full retaliations have been made clearer since the creation of this video - please refer to this handy sheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xgqKQQX6My1I84QXQM94O4pl9D9Unts7-C-sgaMoNyM/edit#gid=0
I find the spreadsheet a bit confusing DerAva, specially the bit about faceless counting as rebels for jobs. Would you mind ellaborating a bit on that? Or where could I ask further questions in discord, what channel etc?
When is it best to start contacting regions? What kind of pace should I have?
Great video.
Thank you.
the most confusing part of LW so far to me is that i didnt realize Intel and Intel off the rebels are basically 2 different things.
What about "skilled" rebels? Thanks for the video!
Great question, and just realized I forgot to mention it. Rebels can come in 3 levels. You can spot level 2 and 3 rebels in the overview by looking for rebels that have skill icons next to their name. They get 2 skills per promotion, so 2 skills=level 2, 4 skills= level 3.
Higher rank rebels are 50% more productive per promotion level, so a level 2 rebel gets a 1.5x multiplier to whatever they do, a level 3 rebel a 2x multiplier.
Finally, rebel promotion happen randomly over time, so they are not related to rebels being on missions and getting kills there. Every 21 days level 1 rebels have a 10% chance to get promoted to level 2. Every 42 days level 2 rebels have a 5% chance to get promoted to level3.
Can you put those guys on intel on the neighbor region that might attack you so you can detect it so I can stick to supplies on the liberated region?
Hi, thank for your videos! Would you be kind enough to make a Long War of the Chosen install guide please? I'm playing LW2 but would love to play the addition content!
This is a great suggestion! I am too currently playing LW2 on a vanilla steam install but would love to have a guide available on how to correctly install the newest LWOTC beta. I actually intended on using a Mod Manager but I had issues - although it started - the geoscape was not workong correctly. Once I reverted to using the steam launcher the issue subsided...
Oh and thanks for your videos - subbed 👍
A "Short" tutorial
>Is 30 minutes.
I'm fine with it!
Well, it's still LONG War, right? :)
@@DerAva True enough. :)
Great video, thanks. Interesting if i pause the scan or just sitting with my avenger in that region after a mission does that also counts as scanning/boosting with avenger? i mean while i'm in geoscape and time goes slowly in minutes?
How long was the editing Ava?
Did not time it, but certainly longer than a normal episode. I guess the fancy "animations" took the longest time, and it still looks fairly cheap.
@@DerAva It looks cool, has that programmer's design vibe to it! Being one myself, I like it!
Also, where did these images came? Rebel with burgers seems like the perfect recruitment strategy!
@@DerAva its informative (very) and helpful. Why spend extra resources on stuff when these get the job done. Great video - learned a LOT. 👍
does that mean its a legitimate strat to just train like 20 level 1 psi ops and have only them as resistance managers? They're technically the lowest investment highest search rate soldiers that you can have stationed, right? Am I missing something?
Simple question - I've heard people say "2 per region" regarding missions
Should you be doing as many as you can, or limiting your missions?
That is up to you as the commander in the strategic layer.
if you want to go for the mission:
what kind of rewards are you getting for it? is it worth the infiltration time that you have left, is it worth the fatigue you're guaranteed to get, is it worth the wounds and deaths you might get if you suck? is it worth the increased advent vigilance? if you try to do every mission every time, you'll run out of soldiers and advent will start stacking like 50 troops per mission in your region to try to get you to fuck off. plus, you still have to have soldiers not on missions or recovery so you can always have haven advisors and keep people in psi tubes and training tubes
if you decide not to attempt a mission, what negative effect will come? if you pass up this Guerilla op, can you live with the dark event that comes? if you don't ambush the troop column, the advent strength in the region will go up, making your other missions harder.
your decisions on when to take and when to abandon missions define your play style as the commander, and shape the challenges you'll actually experience on the run
Hi, another question from me. I'm a noob and was playing LW2 vanilla with no dlc. I now have all dlc. My question is: what dlc(s) have you got installed on your LW2? (obvs not WOTC)
I have all the available DLC installed, so Shen's Last Gift, Alien Hunters and the Reinforcement pack.
@@DerAva I am copying you exactly. I was running LW2 with no dlc and it was fine. Now, with dlc it has crashed x 3 saying something about 'pure virtual' whatnots I am reinstalling and mirroring your setup exactly. Hopefully that will eradicate the crashes. Thanks for the reply and your playthroughs. I'm learning a lot!
Are there any benchmarks for liberating a region, keeping pace with ”Force” levels, etc?
I'd say you want your first liberation done in May/June (June/July for Legend) and then a second probably around August/September. Third is optional but certainly helps.
advent strenght I don't get it. Ok, you get reinforcements faster, but other than that? If you have extremely light missions, what.. you get 9 enemies instead of 7?
or like.. you might get 2 officers, 2 sectoids, 2 gunners, 2 sentries 1 trooper instead of 1 sectoid 1 officer 1 drone and 4 troopers?
Higher Advent Strength will mean that the base amount of enemies on the mission is higher. Let's say you find exactly the same mission with a timer that allows you to infiltrate to 100%. In a Strength 2 Region that probably means it's now extremely light with 7-9 enemies, in a Strength 5 Region this might be a light (13-15) or even light-medium (16-18) mission.
@@DerAva so if I start infiltrating at advent strength 2 then it goes up to 3, I might get a Very Light at 100% instead of Extremely light (say I only left 3-4 hours window time).
That's probably why I sometimes got must launch at Very Light when it showed Extremely Light in my timer.
Thanks
Thanks for 2 min of ads that you can't skip youtube. Hop creators start complaining because every ad I sit through makes me go to other platforms more and more
what if you use the reaper hq do u get better at finging quest?
Reaper HQ just gives you flat intel points. So it will help with boosting missions, but doesn't add anything to detection.
How do you even see the vigilance/force level? I only see advent strength
it's LWOTC (long war of the chosen mod), developers added V/F levels. LW2 (where are no Chosens) has the only indicator of Strength
you can use mod
Suggestion for tutorials.
How to reliably (as reliably as possible) win missions , play
the tactical combat and what missions should you do and what missions are a trap and loadouts. For the newbies. And to make u suffer with editing them 😈😈
thanks a lot
Is this info still accurate in 2021?
There's a few small changes addressed in the pinned comment, but 99% is still up to date.
@@DerAva Thanks. I just installed the mod, and there's a lot going on, lol.
13:20 26:35
Short tutorial...
For long war 2 anyways....
Sadly i wasn't able to be the first one to comment this...
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