Appreciate the real life gas HD towing experience. Everyone tries to push people to the diesel and obviously it's a superior power train but there are a lot of us that just don't need it. Some people only tow occasionally and use their truck for short daily trips - which isn't great for a diesel. Thanks again!
Everyone complains about the premium for a diesel but they seem to forget how much better resale is when you sell it. You definitely get it back when you sell the truck. The price difference only matters if you keep the truck till its completely shot. I tow for my job, I put 100,000 miles on every 2 years and trade it in for a new diesel it's incredible how much value the diesel holds.
This has nothing to do with it being a diesel though. I was just shopping used trucks what is a 10k premium on diesel new adds about 2-3k 3-4 years old (I was shopping 2017s)
@@jaynen hope you have been looking around, kbb and edmunds are easy quick sites. They are bringing a premium above book value at our dealerships. Duramax is costly upfront and during ownership with maintenance. But once you own one you'll never ever go back. My 2028 dursmsx vs the new 6.6 gas was a complete let down. It's worth it, in hd, across the board get the coal burner, it'll pay by far in the end if you ever want to jump into another
@@dtlusk24 Everything is bringing above book value. I just spent 2-3 months shopping for 2017+ powerstroke crew cab lariats with under 100k miles. And at the same time was looking at 3500 duramax chevy's. If I had gone chevy I would have gone duramax because chevy had 5k off while ford had no discounts on superdutys here is a link to what I mean, searching nationally. This is a powerstroke just under 100k lariat ultimate with adaptive cruise. www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=568266457&clickType=myATCsavedcar 48k the same truck in gas right now is 45k but tends to be lower mileage than the diesels note 45k is the cheapest listed on autotrader nationwide for a F350 4x4 2017 to new crewcab. I love the diesels and if I could get one on a discount I would buy that over a gas, but if you are paying full price for the diesel upgrade the resale value does not "make it worth it" unless you think paying 10k for something worth 5k is a good deal.
@@jaynen that's a steal buy that! I'm shocked it's that low of value, but yeah getting near that magical 100k mark will play mind games with buyers . They are just so much more capable, and fun to play with that options are wide open. Gas engines are vastly underpowered for these monsters.
We've got the 2020 3500 SRW with the 6.6L and 3.73s. Crew cab, long bed LTZ +Z71+Plow prep... Pulling a 5 horse Gooseneck (16,250 GVWR on the trailer) that's about 7,700lb empty with a single 1,200lb horse in it, our best average so far has been 10.6 MPG with the trailer and 19.2 MPG empty. We broke it in with a trailer, and only use Tow/Haul mode of we get into some hills and it's hunting for a gear (shifting up and down). Been a good truck so far. Rather impressed.
Wow 7 mpg. But like you said 9k can buy a lot of gas. I have an 01 Cummins and looking for a new 3/4ton long bed. Was not wanting the headaches of the newer diesels. This was a very informative video. Edit: 9k$ = 3k in gas here in high tax PA.
Shout out from Western NY. I have bought vehicles from Dave Hallman Chevy in Erie. Always has been a good experience. This summer I bought a 2020 Silverado 2500HD LT Crew Cab model with the L5P Duramax to tow my Grand Design 5th Wheel. Love the truck. Had to buy it in Buffalo though and had to wait for it to be delivered. It was nearly impossible to find new trucks. The truck I bought was ordered by the dealer in January and wasn't delivered until July. I bought it the day it arrived after several months of emails back and forth with the salesman and waiting for it to be located and finally delivered. It sat in a railroad car for several months! Thank you Covid!!!!! All in all it was a good experience but it sure was a different way to do business! Keep up the great videos!
Congrats on the new Silverado Rob! You are spot on my friend...to this day it's still difficult to locate and order new inventory. Between the strike and now the pandemic, it has slowed things down considerably.
The 10 speed will do more for the truck than a 4.1. The deeper overdrive will make the vehicle better when it is light, which is how most of these trucks are driven most of the time.
Remember the old 400 small block and how it compared to the 327? That's what you're dealing with comparing the 5.3 to the 6.6L. Awesome torque, and respectable fuel economy.
I just picked up my 2020 with a 6.6 gas engine at the end of August. In mid October we took it on an approximate 5,400 mile road trip. Florida to North Dakota and back. The truck had a topper over the bed and did not pull a trailer. Also, it had almost 4,500 miles on it when we started the trip. The onboard computer showed that we got 15.6 mpg for the entire trip which was mostly Interstate driving and slow tourist type stuff. Temps from 89 degrees in Florida to 17 degrees one morning in Rapid City, SD. I am glad I bought this truck and would do it again.
Not only does the new 6.6L gas blow away the old 6.0L, it makes as much torque at just 1000rpm as the old 8.1L gas engine(over 300lb-ft). Its peak torque is also higher than the 8.1L, 464 vs 455.
@@Back_door_bandit_98 Guy down the street from me has a fleet of 5 of these with the 6.6 Gas engine in em and he says he can't keep oil in em. They use/burn oil like nobody's business.
I have a 2020 Chevy 2500HD LT with the 6.6L gas with 5500 miles now. I pull a 10K 5th wheel and I am not easy on the gas and get 9.5MPG, no trailer around town only 13, combination town and highway 14.5 and highway only at 68 mph I get 18, move up to 70-72 drops to 16.5
I'm happy to here you respect you customers and what they want. When a salesman tries to push something nothing remotely like what is needed I just go to the next dealer. Also nation wide searches are easy.
I get a lot of flack because I do so many dealer trades… But ultimately I look at the transaction as if I was buying the truck myself… I don’t even settle when it comes to a four dollar loaf of bread… I pick the one that I want
I have a 2020 gmc duramax. I know it doesn't pencil out to have diesel but I wanted it. I get 19 to 23 empty and 11 to 13 with my 5th wheel. I love it!
Good factual review 👍. I also have a newer 2020 6.6L (gas) Chevy 2500, mine being a Double Cab 4x4 Z71 LT with added options (AutoTrac, etc.) here in Canada. First, I love it; solid...like a Rock and when pulling our 31’ Toy Hauler weighing 7500 lbs. empty. When pulling it in 2020, we had similar fuel mileage as you did (~7.5 us mpg / 31 L/100km). Essentially, 26-31L/100km. Good power = good enough; I’m not hauling +24,000 lbs. or hauling for a living where it makes sense to spend $10K more for a diesel. Based on my needs and babying this truck for the next 2-300k km, I won’t worry about more expensive oil changes, DEF or diesel quality issues (winter spec. vs. summer spec. Or supplier quality) or other related engine expenses, especially when it’s off warranty. It’s an updated modern (direct injection, VVT, etc.) engine, yet simply naturally aspirated (no turbos to deal with over time) with as much power as a diesel did not even 20 years ago. Oh, and when empty, on the highway I’ll typically get 15-16 us mpg (14.7-15.5 L/100km / 18-19 mpg imperial) - as good as some not so old half tons I had and much much better than my ‘72 Chevy 1/2 ton 4 Barrel I once owned. Winter fuel mileage (empty/no load) is always worse of course, like 13-15 us mpg or 15-18 L/100km) and that includes some idling.
So about 7.5 mpg. That’s not terrible but would be a sizeable hit from what I’m used to. I have depending on the track I go to between 180 and 240 mile round trips. So a drop of 3-4 mpg would add up. If GM would put the 10 speed auto with the 6.6 gas I think I would make the switch.
NHL I have taken my 2021 Duramax Allison Silverado, on a few Road trips it's a 3500 Z-71-LT. I was blown away by freeway mileage. Believe it or not on dash gage coming down mountain pass (32 MPG) on best mileage. Most of the time it was (20) I was NOT towing. In town it's dropped to (11) at best. The trip meter said (9) around city driving. I am just so amazed. For a 1 Ton.
Also add my ( DEF) has not come down as fast as I thought. I have a fuel farm that has a ( DEF) pump system. So I can fill up on it just like I fuel the Diesel.
Just went back and rewatched this video. I just traded for a 2022 2500 with the gas engine a couple weeks ago. Love it so far. Haven’t towed with it yet. That will have to wait until the spring I guess but I’m looking forward to that. Seems to have plenty power. Noticeably more than the 1500 gas trucks I’ve had.
Great job on the video! My son lives there and I frequently visit. Probably drive by the dealership 100 times! I have had my 2020 HD gasser since 10/31/19 and though a GMC, I love the versatility!!
Great video, wish you had based your test on round-trip. Lot hills over there. I've heard a lot complaints about GM not having the 3:73 available because when empty the RPM has those trucks screaming. I drive an '11 2500 GMC HD, the last time you could get a 3:73 gas, until now. I tow 7k daily @ 9 MPG. Hopefully GM made that axle carrier stronger, the 4:11 is heftier, mine cracked when backing up hill when I hit ice & then dry pavement @ 120k miles. Glad I have gas vs diesel, I'd have another 200k miles for it to payoff. Had a history of doing dealer trades with Hallman Chevy stores, great people.
I have a 2022 Silverado 2500 with 6.6 gas engine. I'm amazed you can top off your tank AT ALL, when I tried it twice (waited the TFL 30 seconds) it burped gas all over the place adding just 1 gallon (perhaps it is a 2020/2022 difference)! I tow a 25' toy hauler with a motorcycle and ATV (guessing ~10K# cargo) and I got between 7.2 (towing uphill from 1300 to 7000 feet) and 10.5 (level over 6000 feet) honest MPG. I agree a better transmission would help MPG.
So for reference, towing a 12,000lb 38ft toy hauler with a XLT F350 powerstroke that I rented pulled 10.7 mpg which was actually worse than what I wanted to see. And this was from Raleigh NC to Asheville and back which is up in the mountains.
Nice video. Have a 1999 diesel now, but after the 2007+ emissions regs, the payoff just isn't there for newer diesels. Toss on a couple of $4k repair bills and any potential mileage savings just got flushed. Add to that the new gassers have nice power and it makes the choice for a new truck pretty easy.
2015 Silverado 2500 HD, double cab. With 2 yards of top soil on highway driving it right....computer said 9 mpg. On average in city....12. On highway driving it right....best I got 17. But more like 15 most of the time probably 14. That's it empty. Truck had 9000 miles. Gas,
@@movementonwheels , 6.6 gas is no solid in terms of reliability. It has major issues with fuel dilution which shorter oil change intervals is required otherwise engine problems unavoidable. Carbon build is another issue that impacts engine reliability. Technology is two sideded coin that has two different outcomes when looked at it with questioning attitude.
I had a 06 duramax and had to upgrade trucks after issues with the pass lock system in the truck. I got the 6.0 2500 silverado and so far I'm impressed with it. Now if I get a big camper I may get the 6.6but i thibk the 6.0 will do me well even though I am questioning my decision now if I should have went for the diesel. So far around town i enjoy the truck has plenty of power but probably could be better. The 6.0 I feel pulls alot better than the 06 duramax I had. But I feel alit of people down play the gas trucks and pull for a diesel cause around d me if you have a diesel it's for show not work. But with the cost of diesel engine repairs expecially if the emissions stuff fails I'd regret the diesel option quick. And the amount of trucks I have seen fail i didn't want to risk it.
7.4 mpg... That's what my 8.1L/Allison gets. Especially when there are high winds and stop/go town driving. I have seen my towing mileage teeter on 9.5-10 mpg, but that's if I can get on a flat interstate and maintain one speed for hours on end, typically with cruise set. My response to the gas vs. diesel argument is that if you only tow a handful of times a month, or less, the diesel is probably overkill. If you're towing a handful of times a week, get the diesel. If a majority of your towing is short, local trips the gas might be for you. If you do a lot of long distance towing, look into a diesel.
I’m fine with the 6 speed auto for my uses. Not everyone tows their entire life behind them and maxes out the tow rating. Some people just want a good reliable HD drivetrain and the GM 6L90E auto has been a proven fleet transmission behind the old 6.0 engines for years now and should do just as well with the 6.6.
Sounds like you got into this level of truck without calculating the expected cost of ownership. Imagine what a $10,000 investment would do for you compared to dishing it out on a diesel model in advance and then dealing with DEF and more expensive oil changes and all.
Its a gas BURNER 6.O. Ive never owned a car. Im 45 years old and have been through some trucks. These chevy trucks love gas. Thats just a fact. I really don't understand what your getting at. With the new president. $4.00 a gallon is coming back. Jumped 50 cent in 2 weeks. . If i were to buy a rattling smoker I'd buy older.
@@marcnelson2645 thanks for your opinion as a young 45 year old Marc. Perhaps read about Ford engine history; the worst for gas consumption. Anyway, we can argue all day. Point is if you don’t need or own a heavy duty yourself, does it matter to you? Heavy duties burn fuel to operate, period. Many half tons not so long ago burned just as much fuel as this modern naturally aspirated engine and the Toyota Tundra 5.7L burns virtually the same now. If one owns a diesel and there are places for that (i.e. hauling for a living or young and want to impress people yet not fooling everyone), then there’s added expenses with diesels which a simple gasoline engine avoids. And, if one wishes for but really can’t afford a heavy duty, then don’t own one.
You rite and wrong but its all good sir. Its a gas pig. I pull job trailer daily and bobcat once twice a month. Its a tool not a toy. I have some tools that are hard on batteries. They just are and I have them cause i need them. Its mine i paid for it. The Damn thing drinks gas / water and alot of it. The problem is gas sucks chevys need gas to make power. I dont know why i cant say MY Truck drinks gas without you telling me it doesn't. Alot of what i say not what you see going on now days. Thanks have a good one.
@@marcnelson2645 it’s all good at my end here Marc. Thanks for your reply as well. I’m accepting of my fuel mileage (as good as some not so old 1/2 tons and much more powerful and larger payload capability too). I like the simplicity that comes with gas engines and finding quality gasoline. I work in the oil & gas industry and directly with refineries and even more directly with diesel production units and know the issues that include consistent quality. By comparison, gasoline is a cleaner more refined product; compare ingesting filtered vodka (gasoline) to low-medium quality rum. I’m aware of the additional costs to diesel DEF and maintenance issues that can arise. Also, my gas engine weighs less and reduces negative impact on front end components, reducing frequency of repair, no matter what brand one is talking about. And my box payload is more than a diesel because of overall truck weight.
I run a 6.4 hemi with 4.88 gears tows like a Dream. Towing my 35 foot 22gn big tex empty I get 10 to 11 mpg loaded with 14k on the deck I get a average of 8.6 mpg.
Thanks for the video. It's pretty clear that when you are towing heavier weight like that, the diesel is the way to go. BUT if you are only going to tow something like this once or twice a year, this gasser does fine. Some people need a diesel, and others think they need it for towing their honda civic. lol
I agree we don’t need lower gears based on 7th through 10th gear… I would still say I want a lower rear end ratio to help get the load moving… Everything is so geared toward fuel economy… We are sacrificing towing performance. These trucks takeoff in second gear unless you’re in tow haul mode. I’d still like to see a 4.10 rear axle mated to the 10 speed automatic to help get the load moving.
I couldn’t find the GMC 2500HD Denali, 6.6 gasser, in my area (NorCal) that fit what I wanted. Ordered in mid February, ‘21, and finally arrived 6/4. It’s a beauty.
The only way a new diesel is worth it IMO is if the emissions crap falls off it in the middle of the night and a good tune and exhaust finds it way on otherwise I’ll save the 10k for something else
What about the resale value between gas and diesel engine when you go to trade It in. And also what about the grade breaking between gas and diesel going down hills and mountains
I tow up to 26k combined and there is no way I'd buy a gasser. No way. I've seen other videos and it's like these guys are killing their engines and Transmission temperatures seem to run high (200f)verses my 150f. Add in the exhaust brake and I save 10g over 250k miles easy on fuel alone. Plus higher tow capabilities and torque etc. Plus if you tow a long trailer good luck finding gasoline and not running over another vehicle to get it. Truck stops only sell diesel on the big rig side.
@@jc41457 see you need a diesel, personally I don’t have the need yet. I like diesels but the new emissions crap has scared me away. Your at the maximum of a gas @26k lbs
@@markhollingsworth9496 if your towing serious weight, then you need a diesel... I don’t have a use for diesel but need a 3/4 ton. Would a diesel be nice, yes... is it worth the headache of emissions crap & 10k upgrade for me, no
Another great detailed video. Great work Joe. I’m on the fence with the 6.6 /6 speed. I spec and purchase our trucks at work,and I have been loyal to GM trucks because of the 6.0 Lq4/L96 reliability. We run our trucks literally 40 hrs a week a fleet of 8-11 trucks 5 days a week. I have one half ton with a 5.3 GDI ,I do not like that truck and will never buy another, that truck was partially responsible for me personally buying a Ford.I was hoping GM would go to the bigger displacement engine but keep the port injectors because the GDI only systems really idle like crap after about 2000 hrs , and load up the intake valves with carbon deposits.For our application I was happy with the performance of the L96 for our pickups, our 3500 dump trucks I would like a little more power, our crew cab 4x4 3500 dump tows a 6k single axle trailer w a 3500 lb asphalt roller every day , that truck could use some more power and torque ... I hate to say it but Ford has my attention with the 7.3/10 speed ESP for the dually and 450/550 applications . GM still has no competition for them,and the new 5500 straight frame sits too high to be getting in and out of all day long, I believe it’s also diesel only which wouldn’t work for us since our trucks never leave town they would suffer emissions issues like our class 8 trucks do constantly.
The engine is an L8T if it confirms what you were thinking. Quite easy to find that and more whether at GM websites (GM Authority) or TH-cam reviews with a GM engineer or similar. TFL Truck did an interview with one of their engineers regarding this engine about 1.3 years ago. Maybe this will help.
Just put deposit on 2022 custom 2500.plow pg trailer package.folding mirrors and 20 other things like that.its built waiting for couple chips. Maybe dec.maybe april.lol.was afraid price might go up.its already built so gess I'm locked in.
That fuel mileage is horrible,my 15L cummins in my kenworth gets over8.2-8.5 every week hauling doubles cross country,going above 70 I can still get 7.5+ out of it.
There have been many comments like this one about this video… Problem is you’re not going to buy a semi truck to haul your family, and your RV, and take to the grocery store... not going to use a semi to take your boat to the lake, or haul firewood. 99% of consumers cannot fit a semi truck in their garage or on their driveway. The Ford 7.3 gas and the Ram 6.4 Hemi are not any better on fuel. This truck is excellent for all around use and not being a diesel. What’s the cost of maintenance on a semi truck? How much does it cost to replace the tires? How much does an oil change cost? How about replace worn out suspension components? Last time I checked one tire for a semi truck is about the cost of four tires for this Chevy Silverado 2500.
Smaller vehicles never see the percentage increase you would expect, even an empty duramax is hard pressed to see 20 mpg empty, yet it weighs 10% what yours does.
@@truckguyjoe I agree,it is just mind boggling to me the difference in efficiency,not just Chevy but all of them,was t intending the comment about n a negative way. Really depends on the tire and size you get,wether you have a tire account as well. Run some pretty knobby bridestones 22.5 maybe 350-400 a tire. But with proper rotations and hopefully no flats you can get 200,000+ on tires. Oil change do it yourself once again depends running rotella T6 $350. That’s top of the line synthetic oil where I’m at they run 60k intervals. My buddies a o/o does his own oil runs $275 and changes every 15k but it’s non synthetic. Tires for my 3/4 run me $1,450 for Cooper at3 xlt load range D. For all around replacement on 18 wheeler 3,500-4,000 if you go to loves or another place like that which charge high premiums.
YES YES YES at 9:17 GM if you listening please put a 10 speed in a Sierra 2500HD Gas. I almost made a huge mistake of swapping from a Sierra 1500 with an 8 Speed because of my towing. So I have to wait for a 10 speed in a gas Sierra 2500HD please do make me switch to Ford. Thank you sir
Has everything to do with the epa and building a motor that will meet the needs of what most people want. No manufacture unless you buy a upper scale sports car tunes them right.
With truck inventory being so low, is this a good time to be buying a truck ? I haven’t seen any companies with the 0% financing deals anymore. Do you feel a consumer has a good edge to get deals right now or are dealerships more stubborn on their pricing since the low inventory
Supply vs Demand...dealer's are way understocked with inventory, which has created urgency to grab one while you can. Our dealership is sold out of diesel pickups, Trail Boss, and most of our commercial inventory has been depleted. Combine the lack of inventory with the fact that trucks are still selling well, the manufacturer's are able to keep numbers up without offering huge rebates or special finance programs. You're right...dealer's don't have to given them away with huge dealer discounts under invoice. We have customers calling from out of state, and dealers calling from all over trying to swap inventory with us. If you buy a truck now, you will pay more...but you'll have a truck. The alternative is wait for a 2021 to land, which will cost more and probably have $0 incentives.
Interesting results. I wonder how an enclosed trailer would do? I got a 2020 Duramax right now but thinking of shipping it down the road after 5 check engine lights. Dealer says it needs a new valve body and has one ordered. Thinking of maybe trying a gas job but still not decided. Anyways, I get between 10-11 mpg pulling my 24’ enclosed trailer that weighs somewhere around 7000 pounds. I live in East ky so similar terrain as to what you would have had making that trip.
Some might agree it makes less sense if you’re hauling for a living to own a diesel, yet if you’re not or you don’t have more than it’s rated for, then have you actually calculated the cost of diesel ownership? PS, it takes about 140,000 miles of continuous driving before a diesel starts to make sense over a gasoline; proof can be found online or TH-cam videos. Otherwise... there is a good place for gasoline engines.
@@nhlcfl7733 I wasn't comparing gas vs diesel. Just for me, having the 6.6 gas guzzler doesn't make sense to have. Nothing to do with it being gas or diesel.
@@Bob31733 PS, I don’t know if your reply is because you have a chip on your shoulder about heavy duty trucks or that you’re a fan of another brand or what, but the 6.6 gas engine is certainly is what it is, it burns fuel to operate, period. It’s also no worse than a Ford 7.3L or 6.2 for that matter or a Ram 6.4 or other. Even a Toyota 5.7L burns just as much gas on average. If one is wishing to own a heavy duty but can’t afford it, then simply don’t.
Thanks for the video, but I’m doubting that trailer and pickup weigh 20k. My 30ft tandem dual dovetail is 5800. That pickup is maybe 6k? That’s 12000 lbs. We are considering a 6.6 gas dually to pull our big goosenecks coming from older Duramax’s I’m concerned the power isn’t going to be there when I put 20,000-25000 behind it.
I weighed the trailer when I got it. It’s 7K with my toolboxes loaded up. I have a separate video when I weighed the trailer at the CAT scales. The tow rig is 7344, the trailer is 7K, and the 1/2 ton crew 4x4 is 6500. So I’m easily 20,500-21,000 Gross Combined Weight
How is oil consumption? How often are you changing oil? How are you dealing with carbon build up on valves with direct injection since fuel is no longer sprayed on valves? What brand of oil are you using?
7500 miles of gooseneck towing. 0 issues. No oil consumption. Oil changed at 3500 & 7000 miles No carbon build up issues I let the dealership I work for service the truck. I trust whatever oil they are using.
@@jimcollins8097 I decided to change it after this trip was over and then again at 7000… The oil life was only at 60% at 3500 miles. It probably would go about 7500 miles if you let the oil life monitor go to 0%.
@@bobfishnut it certain situations we do when necessary...I use the trailer primarily to deliver inventory to my customers who don't have time to make it to the dealership, as well as dealer trades like this one. If I don't have the truck you're looking for, I use all of my resources to get it!
Diesel is worth it if you are going to be hauling heavy loads regularly… The diesel engines do not work as hard… Tolerate the stress better… And have a longer useful life. You really have to rev the gas engines to get them to work… The diesels can idle along without breaking a sweat. It’s the low end torque that is very attractive about the diesel.
I'll be retiring in Feb & plan to buy a gas 3/4 ton & a 24' travel trailer so my wife & I can see this GREAT country of ours. Knowing what you know, would you recommend the Chevy over the Ford 6.2 or Ram 6.4? I've always been a Chevy guy but my experience w/Chevy's R&D has been less than stellar with newer designed engines. I would also prefer to have a 4:10 rear end. Anyway, thx for your time. doug
Hello Doug! From what I have seen, the new 6.6 gas engine that was introduced in 2020 with the redesign of the Silverado 2500/3500 has been a reliable engine. I have several customers with Express vans, and Silverado that have exceeded 100,000 miles. One of the big concerns was the direct injection and would carbon buildup be an issue. My answer is this… I would be comfortable towing a travel trailer across the country with a 6.6 Chevy. I think the Ford 6.2 is also a proven platform… I think the jury may still be out for the 7.3. The Chevy you see in this video, I drove for about 10,000 miles and towed with it extensively using my gooseneck. I think it performed very well considering the 3.73 rear end. But of course a 4.10, would obviously help it. We all seem to want a little more out of our trucks… That might be the missing link… I don’t necessarily think it needs the 10 speed automatic… I think the 6 speed did a fine job.
Get the godzilla. Ford has alot more axle ratios available and the top offering in 4.30 has 20,500 lbs of towing capability in SRW which bests even the duramax SRW by about 1500 lbs! You cannot go wrong with the big gasser. The 7.3 is the least tech driven engine and the most overbuilt on the market
I wish this was true and on paper it is but we have been seeing a few mechanical failures on 7.3s at our shop. I’m not saying it’s a terrible engine but I think they have a couple bugs to work out and it will be very reliable.
Hi Truckguyjoe - on the 6.6 gas there is no cylinder deactivation correct also what model 6 speed transmission is in it? GREAT video love the new Silverado trucks!
I'd hate to blame CV-19 but the auto manufacturers are still playing catch up with 2020/2021 model year production. Also, the supply chain for automobile manufacturing has been hindered, to this day.
COVID plus a Union conttact dispute that had UAW on strike in late 2019 and early 2020. Low inventories because fewer trucks were being built. This is why we settled for a white truck when my wife wanted a blue one. But we also got $14k knocked off of the price and they threw in the gooseneck and a fifth wheel hitch (Dealer in Texas). 😁 Body wraps are cheap.
I used to drive a 1990 gmc 2500 and the gvwr was 8000lbs if i recall, but it weighed much less than these new trucks so the payload numbers were close. You still cant go on certain roads if your over 10k so in the eyes of at least this state they would consider anything over a 1 ton
@7.5-7.8mpg, this is a GREAT example as to why to get a diesel, not too mention dbl the torque the diesel gets over the gas... My 2020 GMC 3500HD AT4 L5P w/10speed Allison(8400lbs) towing a 22k(capacity) gooseneck(7500lbs) with my 2002 GMC 2500HD LB7(7100lbs) loaded for a for a GCW of about 23,000lbs(+/-)...13.7mpg, over 350mi...
@@scoretime1, And a diesel will run circles around a gasser any day of the week...longer engine life, higher torque when you need it the most(at lower RPM's), higher towing and hauling capacity's, and traditionally, lower fuel prices...those are just 4 reasons to choose a diesel over a gasser...
Also… Diesels have extremely unreliable and sophisticated emission systems… One little hiccup and it will leave you stranded in limp mode. Whether it fails a DEF quality test because of a faulty NOx sensor, or a clogged DEF injector… I like the fact that the gasoline engine does not have all of these extra items… Sure the diesel might get there faster… But the gas won’t be side lined with faulty emissions components
@@truckguyjoe And you're wrong, on all counts... Additionally, IF you want to buy and drive a gasser, by all means, but don't think for one moment that gassers are better than diesels, or can even compete in the same circles, doing the same job(s)...
@@wipatriot510 Go visit any service department at a ram dealer… Ford… Or Chevy… Every single diesel truck that is sitting in a lift bay more than likely has a problem with the emissions system. I’ve owned diesel trucks since 1999, and I’ve been selling new Chevy’s since 2011. Why do you think the majority of ambulance companies no longer buy diesel chassis? why do you think the majority of municipalities are buying Ford F550s with the 7.3 gas engine? The majority of customers that are pulling trailers do not need the tow rating of a diesel. The gas engine is $10,000 less… And will not give you as much trouble as far as warranty claims.
Overall yes...I would attribute it to the increased horsepower, torque, and 6 speed automatic. My 8.1 is the 5 speed Allison with 4.10's. Off the line the two are comparable (low end grunt) but the new 6.6 gas does better accelerating and passing from a roll. It pulls better in the higher RPM range vs my 8.1.
Keeping it forever...eventually I will stop plowing snow with it...it's still like new, so a major restoration shouldn't be necessary, but a few stone chips here & there and maybe a new seat cover!
Just throwing it out there, the 6.6 is a dog. The ram has less hp and tq but somehow seems to out pull it. Now the 6.4 is slow and the 6.6 will smoke it empty in a drag, but you put it on an 8% grade with 15k lb trailer and the ram pulls away from it.
Rumor has it there is a re-design for the 2022 Silverado 1500's...(updated front end and new interior features with larger touchscreen)...can not say for sure if and when the HDs will get an update. Chances are the 2023 HD will get the refresh, if not in 2022 along with the 1500's.
![ตีสิบเดย์ [FULL] | นางเอกหมอลำเงินล้าน "อุ๋งอิ๋ง เพชรบ้านแพง" & ไฮโซสาวสุดฮอต "ลิลลี่ เหงียน"](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jPxQS_EgrJ4/mqdefault.jpg)
Appreciate the real life gas HD towing experience. Everyone tries to push people to the diesel and obviously it's a superior power train but there are a lot of us that just don't need it. Some people only tow occasionally and use their truck for short daily trips - which isn't great for a diesel. Thanks again!
Jonathan, thank you for your comment and for watching!!
Everyone complains about the premium for a diesel but they seem to forget how much better resale is when you sell it. You definitely get it back when you sell the truck. The price difference only matters if you keep the truck till its completely shot. I tow for my job, I put 100,000 miles on every 2 years and trade it in for a new diesel it's incredible how much value the diesel holds.
So true. My Duramax is almost 8 years old with 44k miles, and the KBB value is only $8k less than I paid for it!
This has nothing to do with it being a diesel though. I was just shopping used trucks what is a 10k premium on diesel new adds about 2-3k 3-4 years old (I was shopping 2017s)
@@jaynen hope you have been looking around, kbb and edmunds are easy quick sites. They are bringing a premium above book value at our dealerships. Duramax is costly upfront and during ownership with maintenance. But once you own one you'll never ever go back. My 2028 dursmsx vs the new 6.6 gas was a complete let down. It's worth it, in hd, across the board get the coal burner, it'll pay by far in the end if you ever want to jump into another
@@dtlusk24 Everything is bringing above book value. I just spent 2-3 months shopping for 2017+ powerstroke crew cab lariats with under 100k miles. And at the same time was looking at 3500 duramax chevy's. If I had gone chevy I would have gone duramax because chevy had 5k off while ford had no discounts on superdutys here is a link to what I mean, searching nationally. This is a powerstroke just under 100k lariat ultimate with adaptive cruise. www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=568266457&clickType=myATCsavedcar 48k the same truck in gas right now is 45k but tends to be lower mileage than the diesels note 45k is the cheapest listed on autotrader nationwide for a F350 4x4 2017 to new crewcab. I love the diesels and if I could get one on a discount I would buy that over a gas, but if you are paying full price for the diesel upgrade the resale value does not "make it worth it" unless you think paying 10k for something worth 5k is a good deal.
@@jaynen that's a steal buy that! I'm shocked it's that low of value, but yeah getting near that magical 100k mark will play mind games with buyers . They are just so much more capable, and fun to play with that options are wide open. Gas engines are vastly underpowered for these monsters.
We've got the 2020 3500 SRW with the 6.6L and 3.73s. Crew cab, long bed LTZ +Z71+Plow prep... Pulling a 5 horse Gooseneck (16,250 GVWR on the trailer) that's about 7,700lb empty with a single 1,200lb horse in it, our best average so far has been 10.6 MPG with the trailer and 19.2 MPG empty. We broke it in with a trailer, and only use Tow/Haul mode of we get into some hills and it's hunting for a gear (shifting up and down).
Been a good truck so far. Rather impressed.
19.2? Really?
The wife just beat the best score last week. 20.3 MPG is the new score to beat.
One horse in a 5 horse trailer🤣🤣
20.3 at what speed?
Wow 7 mpg. But like you said 9k can buy a lot of gas. I have an 01 Cummins and looking for a new 3/4ton long bed. Was not wanting the headaches of the newer diesels. This was a very informative video. Edit: 9k$ = 3k in gas here in high tax PA.
Shout out from Western NY. I have bought vehicles from Dave Hallman Chevy in Erie. Always has been a good experience. This summer I bought a 2020 Silverado 2500HD LT Crew Cab model with the L5P Duramax to tow my Grand Design 5th Wheel. Love the truck. Had to buy it in Buffalo though and had to wait for it to be delivered. It was nearly impossible to find new trucks. The truck I bought was ordered by the dealer in January and wasn't delivered until July. I bought it the day it arrived after several months of emails back and forth with the salesman and waiting for it to be located and finally delivered. It sat in a railroad car for several months! Thank you Covid!!!!! All in all it was a good experience but it sure was a different way to do business! Keep up the great videos!
Congrats on the new Silverado Rob! You are spot on my friend...to this day it's still difficult to locate and order new inventory. Between the strike and now the pandemic, it has slowed things down considerably.
The 10 speed will do more for the truck than a 4.1. The deeper overdrive will make the vehicle better when it is light, which is how most of these trucks are driven most of the time.
Hell yeah, WV represent! Gonna order mine here soon
Finally an actual hand calculation. Thanks
Great video. Would love to see more on the 6.6 gas engine
Thanks for watching!
Remember the old 400 small block and how it compared to the 327? That's what you're dealing with comparing the 5.3 to the 6.6L. Awesome torque, and respectable fuel economy.
I just picked up my 2020 with a 6.6 gas engine at the end of August. In mid October we took it on an approximate 5,400 mile road trip. Florida to North Dakota and back. The truck had a topper over the bed and did not pull a trailer. Also, it had almost 4,500 miles on it when we started the trip. The onboard computer showed that we got 15.6 mpg for the entire trip which was mostly Interstate driving and slow tourist type stuff. Temps from 89 degrees in Florida to 17 degrees one morning in Rapid City, SD. I am glad I bought this truck and would do it again.
Not only does the new 6.6L gas blow away the old 6.0L, it makes as much torque at just 1000rpm as the old 8.1L gas engine(over 300lb-ft). Its peak torque is also higher than the 8.1L, 464 vs 455.
The 6.0 is still an amazing motor I've also been hearing a lot about these new 6.6 consuming oil not a huge deal should be worked out in a few years.
@@Back_door_bandit_98 Guy down the street from me has a fleet of 5 of these with the 6.6 Gas engine in em and he says he can't keep oil in em. They use/burn oil like nobody's business.
He’s got a “radio show” voice!
He definitely does, he should audition for shows, radio, etc
I have a 2020 Chevy 2500HD LT with the 6.6L gas with 5500 miles now. I pull a 10K 5th wheel and I am not easy on the gas and get 9.5MPG, no trailer around town only 13, combination town and highway 14.5 and highway only at 68 mph I get 18, move up to 70-72 drops to 16.5
I'm happy to here you respect you customers and what they want. When a salesman tries to push something nothing remotely like what is needed I just go to the next dealer. Also nation wide searches are easy.
I get a lot of flack because I do so many dealer trades… But ultimately I look at the transaction as if I was buying the truck myself… I don’t even settle when it comes to a four dollar loaf of bread… I pick the one that I want
I have a 2020 gmc duramax. I know it doesn't pencil out to have diesel but I wanted it. I get 19 to 23 empty and 11 to 13 with my 5th wheel. I love it!
Good factual review 👍. I also have a newer 2020 6.6L (gas) Chevy 2500, mine being a Double Cab 4x4 Z71 LT with added options (AutoTrac, etc.) here in Canada. First, I love it; solid...like a Rock and when pulling our 31’ Toy Hauler weighing 7500 lbs. empty. When pulling it in 2020, we had similar fuel mileage as you did (~7.5 us mpg / 31 L/100km). Essentially, 26-31L/100km. Good power = good enough; I’m not hauling +24,000 lbs. or hauling for a living where it makes sense to spend $10K more for a diesel. Based on my needs and babying this truck for the next 2-300k km, I won’t worry about more expensive oil changes, DEF or diesel quality issues (winter spec. vs. summer spec. Or supplier quality) or other related engine expenses, especially when it’s off warranty. It’s an updated modern (direct injection, VVT, etc.) engine, yet simply naturally aspirated (no turbos to deal with over time) with as much power as a diesel did not even 20 years ago. Oh, and when empty, on the highway I’ll typically get 15-16 us mpg (14.7-15.5 L/100km / 18-19 mpg imperial) - as good as some not so old half tons I had and much much better than my ‘72 Chevy 1/2 ton 4 Barrel I once owned. Winter fuel mileage (empty/no load) is always worse of course, like 13-15 us mpg or 15-18 L/100km) and that includes some idling.
Thanks for watching! Appreciate the feedback.
So about 7.5 mpg. That’s not terrible but would be a sizeable hit from what I’m used to. I have depending on the track I go to between 180 and 240 mile round trips. So a drop of 3-4 mpg would add up.
If GM would put the 10 speed auto with the 6.6 gas I think I would make the switch.
NHL
I have taken my 2021 Duramax Allison Silverado, on a few Road trips it's a 3500 Z-71-LT. I was blown away by freeway mileage. Believe it or not on dash gage coming down mountain pass (32 MPG) on best mileage. Most of the time it was (20) I was NOT towing. In town it's dropped to (11) at best. The trip meter said (9) around city driving. I am just so amazed. For a 1 Ton.
Also add my ( DEF) has not come down as fast as I thought. I have a fuel farm that has a ( DEF) pump system. So I can fill up on it just like I fuel the Diesel.
Just went back and rewatched this video. I just traded for a 2022 2500 with the gas engine a couple weeks ago. Love it so far. Haven’t towed with it yet. That will have to wait until the spring I guess but I’m looking forward to that. Seems to have plenty power. Noticeably more than the 1500 gas trucks I’ve had.
Congratulations on the new truck!! I think you’ll be very happy with it.
@@truckguyjoe thanks buddy. I’m hoping it does comparable on fuel mileage towing as the 1500 I had. It would do 8.4-9.1 mpg. I’m hopeful for that.
Great job on the video! My son lives there and I frequently visit. Probably drive by the dealership 100 times! I have had my 2020 HD gasser since 10/31/19 and though a GMC, I love the versatility!!
Thank you for sharing your experience, recommendations and advice. Excellent work and well supported.
Greetengs from CDMX (México city)!
Great video, wish you had based your test on round-trip. Lot hills over there. I've heard a lot complaints about GM not having the 3:73 available because when empty the RPM has those trucks screaming. I drive an '11 2500 GMC HD, the last time you could get a 3:73 gas, until now. I tow 7k daily @ 9 MPG. Hopefully GM made that axle carrier stronger, the 4:11 is heftier, mine cracked when backing up hill when I hit ice & then dry pavement @ 120k miles. Glad I have gas vs diesel, I'd have another 200k miles for it to payoff. Had a history of doing dealer trades with Hallman Chevy stores, great people.
You got the best job ever!
Yes I do!!
I have a 2022 Silverado 2500 with 6.6 gas engine. I'm amazed you can top off your tank AT ALL, when I tried it twice (waited the TFL 30 seconds) it burped gas all over the place adding just 1 gallon (perhaps it is a 2020/2022 difference)!
I tow a 25' toy hauler with a motorcycle and ATV (guessing ~10K# cargo) and I got between 7.2 (towing uphill from 1300 to 7000 feet) and 10.5 (level over 6000 feet) honest MPG. I agree a better transmission would help MPG.
So for reference, towing a 12,000lb 38ft toy hauler with a XLT F350 powerstroke that I rented pulled 10.7 mpg which was actually worse than what I wanted to see. And this was from Raleigh NC to Asheville and back which is up in the mountains.
I pull a 10,000 lb 35' trailer often. Ram 2500 6.7 Cummins (4X4 3.42 gears) averages around 12 mpg. GMC 3500 Denali, Duramax/6-speed Allison (4X4 3.73 gears) averages 11 mpg. 65% better fuel economy than the gas engine?
Really not bad at all! My 07 Jeep GC Hemi 50/50 city highway empty is 14.5 mpg empty!! Lol
Nice video. Have a 1999 diesel now, but after the 2007+ emissions regs, the payoff just isn't there for newer diesels. Toss on a couple of $4k repair bills and any potential mileage savings just got flushed. Add to that the new gassers have nice power and it makes the choice for a new truck pretty easy.
Thanks for watching!
2015 Silverado 2500 HD, double cab. With 2 yards of top soil on highway driving it right....computer said 9 mpg. On average in city....12. On highway driving it right....best I got 17. But more like 15 most of the time probably 14.
That's it empty. Truck had 9000 miles.
Gas,
When they put the 10 speed behind the gas engine I’ll start thinking about one
6 speed is proven and reliable. 10 speed is opposite.
@HalfShell I think you are able to order that.
@@repairvehicle if this 6.6 gas is solid like the 6.0. I can risk a 10 speed.
@@movementonwheels , 6.6 gas is no solid in terms of reliability. It has major issues with fuel dilution which shorter oil change intervals is required otherwise engine problems unavoidable. Carbon build is another issue that impacts engine reliability. Technology is two sideded coin that has two different outcomes when looked at it with questioning attitude.
@@movementonwheels, 10 speed is piece of garbage if you don't change fluid every 20k miles.
The more gears they add the less reliable they become. The 4L80E was very reliable. The 8 speed in the half tons is a lemon.
If they build an allison to allison specs instead of there's there wouldn't be a problem
I had a 06 duramax and had to upgrade trucks after issues with the pass lock system in the truck. I got the 6.0 2500 silverado and so far I'm impressed with it. Now if I get a big camper I may get the 6.6but i thibk the 6.0 will do me well even though I am questioning my decision now if I should have went for the diesel.
So far around town i enjoy the truck has plenty of power but probably could be better. The 6.0 I feel pulls alot better than the 06 duramax I had.
But I feel alit of people down play the gas trucks and pull for a diesel cause around d me if you have a diesel it's for show not work. But with the cost of diesel engine repairs expecially if the emissions stuff fails I'd regret the diesel option quick. And the amount of trucks I have seen fail i didn't want to risk it.
7.4 mpg... That's what my 8.1L/Allison gets. Especially when there are high winds and stop/go town driving. I have seen my towing mileage teeter on 9.5-10 mpg, but that's if I can get on a flat interstate and maintain one speed for hours on end, typically with cruise set.
My response to the gas vs. diesel argument is that if you only tow a handful of times a month, or less, the diesel is probably overkill. If you're towing a handful of times a week, get the diesel. If a majority of your towing is short, local trips the gas might be for you. If you do a lot of long distance towing, look into a diesel.
I love my 8.1/Allison...bought it new in 2001
@@truckguyjoe It is a good setup! My uncle that is a contracting loved his. Had well over 200k on it before he traded it in too!
I’m fine with the 6 speed auto for my uses. Not everyone tows their entire life behind them and maxes out the tow rating. Some people just want a good reliable HD drivetrain and the GM 6L90E auto has been a proven fleet transmission behind the old 6.0 engines for years now and should do just as well with the 6.6.
That’s a Michigan manufactured trailer right? I can’t remember the name. I love that neck on the trailer
Moritz Truck & Trailer...Mansfield, Ohio
Good Video. Watched to the End.
Great video been looking for video like this
Buffalo NY here. I’d drive to Erie for a 2500 custom now!
I hear you shouldn't be topping off the newer vehicles, the new rule is to just put back the pump at the auto stop, and I believe them
But no 4/10 rear gears my 2019 HD has it with tow package makes a difference towing with gas
My 2012 gets same mileage. Really sucks when gas gets $4.50 a gallon. Its a another truck payment
Sounds like you got into this level of truck without calculating the expected cost of ownership. Imagine what a $10,000 investment would do for you compared to dishing it out on a diesel model in advance and then dealing with DEF and more expensive oil changes and all.
Its a gas BURNER 6.O. Ive never owned a car. Im 45 years old and have been through some trucks. These chevy trucks love gas. Thats just a fact. I really don't understand what your getting at. With the new president. $4.00 a gallon is coming back. Jumped 50 cent in 2 weeks. . If i were to buy a rattling smoker I'd buy older.
@@marcnelson2645 thanks for your opinion as a young 45 year old Marc. Perhaps read about Ford engine history; the worst for gas consumption. Anyway, we can argue all day. Point is if you don’t need or own a heavy duty yourself, does it matter to you? Heavy duties burn fuel to operate, period. Many half tons not so long ago burned just as much fuel as this modern naturally aspirated engine and the Toyota Tundra 5.7L burns virtually the same now. If one owns a diesel and there are places for that (i.e. hauling for a living or young and want to impress people yet not fooling everyone), then there’s added expenses with diesels which a simple gasoline engine avoids. And, if one wishes for but really can’t afford a heavy duty, then don’t own one.
You rite and wrong but its all good sir. Its a gas pig. I pull job trailer daily and bobcat once twice a month. Its a tool not a toy. I have some tools that are hard on batteries. They just are and I have them cause i need them. Its mine i paid for it. The Damn thing drinks gas / water and alot of it. The problem is gas sucks chevys need gas to make power. I dont know why i cant say MY Truck drinks gas without you telling me it doesn't. Alot of what i say not what you see going on now days. Thanks have a good one.
@@marcnelson2645 it’s all good at my end here Marc. Thanks for your reply as well. I’m accepting of my fuel mileage (as good as some not so old 1/2 tons and much more powerful and larger payload capability too). I like the simplicity that comes with gas engines and finding quality gasoline. I work in the oil & gas industry and directly with refineries and even more directly with diesel production units and know the issues that include consistent quality. By comparison, gasoline is a cleaner more refined product; compare ingesting filtered vodka (gasoline) to low-medium quality rum. I’m aware of the additional costs to diesel DEF and maintenance issues that can arise. Also, my gas engine weighs less and reduces negative impact on front end components, reducing frequency of repair, no matter what brand one is talking about. And my box payload is more than a diesel because of overall truck weight.
I run a 6.4 hemi with 4.88 gears tows like a Dream. Towing my 35 foot 22gn big tex empty I get 10 to 11 mpg loaded with 14k on the deck I get a average of 8.6 mpg.
Thanks for the video. It's pretty clear that when you are towing heavier weight like that, the diesel is the way to go. BUT if you are only going to tow something like this once or twice a year, this gasser does fine. Some people need a diesel, and others think they need it for towing their honda civic. lol
With 3 over drives in the 10 speed,you do not need a lower rear gears.
I agree we don’t need lower gears based on 7th through 10th gear… I would still say I want a lower rear end ratio to help get the load moving… Everything is so geared toward fuel economy… We are sacrificing towing performance. These trucks takeoff in second gear unless you’re in tow haul mode. I’d still like to see a 4.10 rear axle mated to the 10 speed automatic to help get the load moving.
There’s not 1 new Silverado in the state of Oregon I’ve been looking for 45 days
Must not be looking very hard
I had to order my GMC sierra 6.6 gasser. Should be here in June/July. I'm in Oregon also. Any in stock vehicles you'll pay a mark up premium for....
I couldn’t find the GMC 2500HD Denali, 6.6 gasser, in my area (NorCal) that fit what I wanted. Ordered in mid February, ‘21, and finally arrived 6/4. It’s a beauty.
The only way a new diesel is worth it IMO is if the emissions crap falls off it in the middle of the night and a good tune and exhaust finds it way on otherwise I’ll save the 10k for something else
What about the resale value between gas and diesel engine when you go to trade It in. And also what about the grade breaking between gas and diesel going down hills and mountains
I tow up to 26k combined and there is no way I'd buy a gasser. No way.
I've seen other videos and it's like these guys are killing their engines and Transmission temperatures seem to run high (200f)verses my 150f.
Add in the exhaust brake and I save 10g over 250k miles easy on fuel alone. Plus higher tow capabilities and torque etc. Plus if you tow a long trailer good luck finding gasoline and not running over another vehicle to get it. Truck stops only sell diesel on the big rig side.
@@jc41457 see you need a diesel, personally I don’t have the need yet. I like diesels but the new emissions crap has scared me away. Your at the maximum of a gas @26k lbs
@@markhollingsworth9496 the resale value is 10k higher on a diesel then a gas because that’s what the difference was when it was new...
@@markhollingsworth9496 if your towing serious weight, then you need a diesel... I don’t have a use for diesel but need a 3/4 ton. Would a diesel be nice, yes... is it worth the headache of emissions crap & 10k upgrade for me, no
I've been wondering how the 6.6 gas does in real life! I assume they are LT based, direct injected? Nice job Joe!
Thanks Danny! From what GM has shared with us the engine is the Gen V LS based small block with direct injection.
Another great detailed video. Great work Joe. I’m on the fence with the 6.6 /6 speed. I spec and purchase our trucks at work,and I have been loyal to GM trucks because of the 6.0 Lq4/L96 reliability. We run our trucks literally 40 hrs a week a fleet of 8-11 trucks 5 days a week. I have one half ton with a 5.3 GDI ,I do not like that truck and will never buy another, that truck was partially responsible for me personally buying a Ford.I was hoping GM would go to the bigger displacement engine but keep the port injectors because the GDI only systems really idle like crap after about 2000 hrs , and load up the intake valves with carbon deposits.For our application I was happy with the performance of the L96 for our pickups, our 3500 dump trucks I would like a little more power, our crew cab 4x4 3500 dump tows a 6k single axle trailer w a 3500 lb asphalt roller every day , that truck could use some more power and torque ... I hate to say it but Ford has my attention with the 7.3/10 speed ESP for the dually and 450/550 applications . GM still has no competition for them,and the new 5500 straight frame sits too high to be getting in and out of all day long, I believe it’s also diesel only which wouldn’t work for us since our trucks never leave town they would suffer emissions issues like our class 8 trucks do constantly.
@@JohnDiMartino gm factory 6.0 tunes suck. Im surprised yall tow with them
The engine is an L8T if it confirms what you were thinking. Quite easy to find that and more whether at GM websites (GM Authority) or TH-cam reviews with a GM engineer or similar. TFL Truck did an interview with one of their engineers regarding this engine about 1.3 years ago. Maybe this will help.
Thank you
Good review
Just put deposit on 2022 custom 2500.plow pg trailer package.folding mirrors and 20 other things like that.its built waiting for couple chips. Maybe dec.maybe april.lol.was afraid price might go up.its already built so gess I'm locked in.
Should Be DJ for Serious XM!👍
Thank You.
That fuel mileage is horrible,my 15L cummins in my kenworth gets over8.2-8.5 every week hauling doubles cross country,going above 70 I can still get 7.5+ out of it.
There have been many comments like this one about this video… Problem is you’re not going to buy a semi truck to haul your family, and your RV, and take to the grocery store... not going to use a semi to take your boat to the lake, or haul firewood. 99% of consumers cannot fit a semi truck in their garage or on their driveway. The Ford 7.3 gas and the Ram 6.4 Hemi are not any better on fuel. This truck is excellent for all around use and not being a diesel. What’s the cost of maintenance on a semi truck? How much does it cost to replace the tires? How much does an oil change cost? How about replace worn out suspension components? Last time I checked one tire for a semi truck is about the cost of four tires for this Chevy Silverado 2500.
Smaller vehicles never see the percentage increase you would expect, even an empty duramax is hard pressed to see 20 mpg empty, yet it weighs 10% what yours does.
@@truckguyjoe I agree,it is just mind boggling to me the difference in efficiency,not just Chevy but all of them,was t intending the comment about n a negative way.
Really depends on the tire and size you get,wether you have a tire account as well. Run some pretty knobby bridestones 22.5 maybe 350-400 a tire. But with proper rotations and hopefully no flats you can get 200,000+ on tires.
Oil change do it yourself once again depends running rotella T6 $350. That’s top of the line synthetic oil where I’m at they run 60k intervals.
My buddies a o/o does his own oil runs $275 and changes every 15k but it’s non synthetic.
Tires for my 3/4 run me $1,450 for Cooper at3 xlt load range D.
For all around replacement on 18 wheeler 3,500-4,000 if you go to loves or another place like that which charge high premiums.
@@brianaustin6184 I appreciate the feedback! Thank you for watching & commenting.
I have a 6.4 hemi that did 11mpg pulling a dump trailer with combined gross of 22580. It has 3 73 rear axle ratio. I'd say that chevy sucks on fuel.
I'm about to order a SLT dually with the gas 6.6L.
YES YES YES at 9:17 GM if you listening please put a 10 speed in a Sierra 2500HD Gas. I almost made a huge mistake of swapping from a Sierra 1500 with an 8 Speed because of my towing. So I have to wait for a 10 speed in a gas Sierra 2500HD please do make me switch to Ford.
Thank you sir
With it tuned it would probably get better and more power because gm cant tune a vehicle to save their life.
Has everything to do with the epa and building a motor that will meet the needs of what most people want. No manufacture unless you buy a upper scale sports car tunes them right.
It could also use a front dana 60 from the factory.
I have 6.6 gass 2022 hd Silverado I get 15 /16 mpg sometimes 18 max empty pulls at 13
With truck inventory being so low, is this a good time to be buying a truck ? I haven’t seen any companies with the 0% financing deals anymore. Do you feel a consumer has a good edge to get deals right now or are dealerships more stubborn on their pricing since the low inventory
Supply vs Demand...dealer's are way understocked with inventory, which has created urgency to grab one while you can. Our dealership is sold out of diesel pickups, Trail Boss, and most of our commercial inventory has been depleted. Combine the lack of inventory with the fact that trucks are still selling well, the manufacturer's are able to keep numbers up without offering huge rebates or special finance programs. You're right...dealer's don't have to given them away with huge dealer discounts under invoice. We have customers calling from out of state, and dealers calling from all over trying to swap inventory with us. If you buy a truck now, you will pay more...but you'll have a truck. The alternative is wait for a 2021 to land, which will cost more and probably have $0 incentives.
Interesting results. I wonder how an enclosed trailer would do? I got a 2020 Duramax right now but thinking of shipping it down the road after 5 check engine lights. Dealer says it needs a new valve body and has one ordered. Thinking of maybe trying a gas job but still not decided.
Anyways, I get between 10-11 mpg pulling my 24’ enclosed trailer that weighs somewhere around 7000 pounds. I live in East ky so similar terrain as to what you would have had making that trip.
Perhaps reading my reply could help out; I have an enclosed trailer of 7500 lbs.
I like the Sheetz that are in Pennsylvania
Would love the 6.6 but just doesn't make sense to get with that mileage
Some might agree it makes less sense if you’re hauling for a living to own a diesel, yet if you’re not or you don’t have more than it’s rated for, then have you actually calculated the cost of diesel ownership? PS, it takes about 140,000 miles of continuous driving before a diesel starts to make sense over a gasoline; proof can be found online or TH-cam videos. Otherwise... there is a good place for gasoline engines.
@@nhlcfl7733 I wasn't comparing gas vs diesel. Just for me, having the 6.6 gas guzzler doesn't make sense to have. Nothing to do with it being gas or diesel.
@@Bob31733 PS, I don’t know if your reply is because you have a chip on your shoulder about heavy duty trucks or that you’re a fan of another brand or what, but the 6.6 gas engine is certainly is what it is, it burns fuel to operate, period. It’s also no worse than a Ford 7.3L or 6.2 for that matter or a Ram 6.4 or other. Even a Toyota 5.7L burns just as much gas on average. If one is wishing to own a heavy duty but can’t afford it, then simply don’t.
Thanks for the video, but I’m doubting that trailer and pickup weigh 20k. My 30ft tandem dual dovetail is 5800. That pickup is maybe 6k? That’s 12000 lbs.
We are considering a 6.6 gas dually to pull our big goosenecks coming from older Duramax’s I’m concerned the power isn’t going to be there when I put 20,000-25000 behind it.
My GCWR (tow rig, trailer, & truck on trailer) were roughly 20K if I went on the scales.
I weighed the trailer when I got it. It’s 7K with my toolboxes loaded up. I have a separate video when I weighed the trailer at the CAT scales.
The tow rig is 7344, the trailer is 7K, and the 1/2 ton crew 4x4 is 6500. So I’m easily 20,500-21,000 Gross Combined Weight
How is oil consumption?
How often are you changing oil?
How are you dealing with carbon build up on valves with direct injection since fuel is no longer sprayed on valves?
What brand of oil are you using?
7500 miles of gooseneck towing.
0 issues.
No oil consumption.
Oil changed at 3500 & 7000 miles
No carbon build up issues
I let the dealership I work for service the truck. I trust whatever oil they are using.
@@truckguyjoe 3500 miles on oil, excellent intervals to trouble free engine. How long you been doing this?
How did you land on 3500 mile oil change? Manual doesn't list an interval that I can find, says to go by computer oil monitor
@@jimcollins8097 I decided to change it after this trip was over and then again at 7000… The oil life was only at 60% at 3500 miles. It probably would go about 7500 miles if you let the oil life monitor go to 0%.
I'm at 44 per cent with 3300 in town miles which would be harder n oil than hiway
9:10 GM Engineers laugh.
if they only had normal positioned mirrors
Have you done a MPG test with just the truck to see what it gets? I'm guessing it will be around 16 to 17.mpg
I have not done an empty test, but I agree with you that 16 to 17 is attainable
In our 2020 3500 SRW 3.73's, we get 14-15 in the hills and our best is 19.2 from Tennessee to Texas. 87 octane.
What dealership do you work at, like your attitude and am looking at a new suburban.
Dave Hallman Chevy in Erie, PA. Thanks Eric!
@@truckguyjoe do you have an email that I can reach you
@@eric-ik7kv truckguyjoe@gmail.com
Your dealership hires no hot shot driver?
@@bobfishnut it certain situations we do when necessary...I use the trailer primarily to deliver inventory to my customers who don't have time to make it to the dealership, as well as dealer trades like this one. If I don't have the truck you're looking for, I use all of my resources to get it!
6.6 GAS pulling 11k Lbs gets 7-8 MPG
6.6 Diesel pulling 11k Lbs gets 11-12 MPG
Is a Diesel worth it ?
Diesel is worth it if you are going to be hauling heavy loads regularly… The diesel engines do not work as hard… Tolerate the stress better… And have a longer useful life. You really have to rev the gas engines to get them to work… The diesels can idle along without breaking a sweat. It’s the low end torque that is very attractive about the diesel.
Hard to tell was transmission temperature 210 ?
I'll be retiring in Feb & plan to buy a gas 3/4 ton & a 24' travel trailer so my wife & I can see this GREAT country of ours. Knowing what you know, would you recommend the Chevy over the Ford 6.2 or Ram 6.4? I've always been a Chevy guy but my experience w/Chevy's R&D has been less than stellar with newer designed engines. I would also prefer to have a 4:10 rear end. Anyway, thx for your time. doug
Hello Doug!
From what I have seen, the new 6.6 gas engine that was introduced in 2020 with the redesign of the Silverado 2500/3500 has been a reliable engine. I have several customers with Express vans, and Silverado that have exceeded 100,000 miles. One of the big concerns was the direct injection and would carbon buildup be an issue. My answer is this… I would be comfortable towing a travel trailer across the country with a 6.6 Chevy. I think the Ford 6.2 is also a proven platform… I think the jury may still be out for the 7.3.
The Chevy you see in this video, I drove for about 10,000 miles and towed with it extensively using my gooseneck. I think it performed very well considering the 3.73 rear end. But of course a 4.10, would obviously help it. We all seem to want a little more out of our trucks… That might be the missing link… I don’t necessarily think it needs the 10 speed automatic… I think the 6 speed did a fine job.
Get the godzilla. Ford has alot more axle ratios available and the top offering in 4.30 has 20,500 lbs of towing capability in SRW which bests even the duramax SRW by about 1500 lbs! You cannot go wrong with the big gasser. The 7.3 is the least tech driven engine and the most overbuilt on the market
I wish this was true and on paper it is but we have been seeing a few mechanical failures on 7.3s at our shop. I’m not saying it’s a terrible engine but I think they have a couple bugs to work out and it will be very reliable.
Hi Truckguyjoe - on the 6.6 gas there is no cylinder deactivation correct also what model 6 speed transmission is in it? GREAT video love the new Silverado trucks!
Correct, no active fuel management or dynamic fuel management. Trans is the 6L90
@@truckguyjoe Thanks - I would buy the 3/4 over the 1/2 as it is a truck and that DFM and all is a maintenance nightmare.
@@mt1885 agree...the lifters are quite problematic on those AFM trucks
Hi there! Really like the video, can you tell me what the truck was at time of purchase?
Which truck?
i have a stupid question, the 6.6 dose not have the active fuel management IE cylinder delete?? dose it
It does not have AFM. Good question!!
Why are truck inventories low ? Really good honest , real world information on trucks and trailers . Thanks Joe
I'd hate to blame CV-19 but the auto manufacturers are still playing catch up with 2020/2021 model year production. Also, the supply chain for automobile manufacturing has been hindered, to this day.
@@truckguyjoe Sounds like a win for me, I’m in the market for a 2500, now I can talk down the price 😂
COVID plus a Union conttact dispute that had UAW on strike in late 2019 and early 2020. Low inventories because fewer trucks were being built. This is why we settled for a white truck when my wife wanted a blue one. But we also got $14k knocked off of the price and they threw in the gooseneck and a fifth wheel hitch (Dealer in Texas). 😁 Body wraps are cheap.
The way im seems it loves gas
Does a hemi tow a work trailer?
Great vid! How many gallons does the tank hold? I saw u fill at 34, were u completely empty? Thanks!
Thanks Johnny! Tank holds 36 gallons.
@@truckguyjoe ok thank u bro, got it!
That’s really not bad considering you are probably pulling 12,000 pounds or more going through the mountains.
I thought the same!
I thought they had to keep the GVWR under 10k pounds to consider it a 3/4 ton truck? Maybe thats just in MD
Slowly but surely the manufacturers are increasing the gross vehicle weight on these trucks. You can still special order a 2500 at 10,000 pounds.
I used to drive a 1990 gmc 2500 and the gvwr was 8000lbs if i recall, but it weighed much less than these new trucks so the payload numbers were close. You still cant go on certain roads if your over 10k so in the eyes of at least this state they would consider anything over a 1 ton
Well if you could actually go a mile before something broke then you could find out the MPG.
Towed with this truck for over 10,000 miles… Not one hiccup
@@truckguyjoe I was just joking!!
What trim level is this truck ? I like the digital gauges
Tow rig is LTZ
I wouldnt be caught dead driving those chevy.
@7.5-7.8mpg, this is a GREAT example as to why to get a diesel, not too mention dbl the torque the diesel gets over the gas...
My 2020 GMC 3500HD AT4 L5P w/10speed Allison(8400lbs) towing a 22k(capacity) gooseneck(7500lbs) with my 2002 GMC 2500HD LB7(7100lbs) loaded for a for a GCW of about 23,000lbs(+/-)...13.7mpg, over 350mi...
my 2018 duramax got 9.1 mpg loaded ! My 2020 6.6 gas same trailer gets 8.7 . I am done with diesels to damn expensive upkeep.
@@scoretime1, And a diesel will run circles around a gasser any day of the week...longer engine life, higher torque when you need it the most(at lower RPM's), higher towing and hauling capacity's, and traditionally, lower fuel prices...those are just 4 reasons to choose a diesel over a gasser...
Also… Diesels have extremely unreliable and sophisticated emission systems… One little hiccup and it will leave you stranded in limp mode. Whether it fails a DEF quality test because of a faulty NOx sensor, or a clogged DEF injector… I like the fact that the gasoline engine does not have all of these extra items… Sure the diesel might get there faster… But the gas won’t be side lined with faulty emissions components
@@truckguyjoe And you're wrong, on all counts...
Additionally, IF you want to buy and drive a gasser, by all means, but don't think for one moment that gassers are better than diesels, or can even compete in the same circles, doing the same job(s)...
@@wipatriot510 Go visit any service department at a ram dealer… Ford… Or Chevy… Every single diesel truck that is sitting in a lift bay more than likely has a problem with the emissions system. I’ve owned diesel trucks since 1999, and I’ve been selling new Chevy’s since 2011. Why do you think the majority of ambulance companies no longer buy diesel chassis? why do you think the majority of municipalities are buying Ford F550s with the 7.3 gas engine? The majority of customers that are pulling trailers do not need the tow rating of a diesel. The gas engine is $10,000 less… And will not give you as much trouble as far as warranty claims.
Tesla: all your bases will soon belong to us 😬
What mpg are these chevy 2500 trucks getting without loads?
I was getting roughly 10-11 in town & 16 highway
What is the mileage comparison from a diesel to a gas 6.6
New L5P diesel towing the same load would probably be roughly 10-11 MPG.
What was the mileage??
Mpg on his trip was calculated 7.4 and trucks electronic read 7.8.
7.4
Does it pull better than your 8.1l?
Overall yes...I would attribute it to the increased horsepower, torque, and 6 speed automatic. My 8.1 is the 5 speed Allison with 4.10's. Off the line the two are comparable (low end grunt) but the new 6.6 gas does better accelerating and passing from a roll. It pulls better in the higher RPM range vs my 8.1.
@@truckguyjoe i own a 8.1l and im thinking of trading it in on this 6.6l. Thank you very much
@@gmfan6029 what year is your 8.1? 4x4? Reg Cab? Ext, or Crew? How clean is it?
@@truckguyjoe 07 chevy 2500 4x4 classic extended cab. It has 20000 miles on it. Its a clean truck for the mileage.
@@gmfan6029 6’ or 8’ bed?
Just bought a 2020 2500 high country . What brand of trailer is that u are pulling ?
Moritz is the manufacturer.
@@truckguyjoe My 2020 diesel has 6k miles now average 16 miles per gallon .
Joe, You need some cleats on your trailer.
What was the price of fuel when you did that video it would be a lot more then 75.00 buck
About $2.29/gal
@@truckguyjoe yea here in Miami Florida it’s 4.50 a gallon
@@brianbelliveau5551 4.89 now
So that trailer about 7000 pounds?
Exactly… It’s like 6980
Damn like 5 bucks per 15 miles.
Just out of curiosity have you ever done anything with jack mcnerney chevrolet
Yes, if I recall I did a dealer trade with them back in June.
@@truckguyjoe oh cool that's my local dealer ship I have a 2015 gmc duramax I bought from them a couple years ago
@@oliverknapp3104 yep, we they needed a 2500HD regular cab that we had. We Chevy dealers need to stick together and help one another out.
I got a question do you have your original rims
I have the original rims...they're not on the truck. I have several sets that I bought over the years.
So what size tank is standard on these trucks? Thanks
36 gallon
@@truckguyjoe oh ok. Thanks. I just bought mine yesterday and they are adding some stuff to it for me. Haven’t evening drove it yet lol. Thanks again.
@@jonathanbulman1184 no problem! Thanks for watching and enjoy the new truck!
Question are you ever gonna re store you 2002 Silverado and are you gonna keep it forever
Keeping it forever...eventually I will stop plowing snow with it...it's still like new, so a major restoration shouldn't be necessary, but a few stone chips here & there and maybe a new seat cover!
How do you keep your truck not from rusting
Can you do a video about that
@@danielb-c9100 I spray it twice a year with Krown Rust Control.
I thought it was only able to tow up to 14500.
14,500 bumper pull | 16,620 gooseneck
@@truckguyjoe oohhh okay. Thanks for that, currently in the market
Just throwing it out there, the 6.6 is a dog. The ram has less hp and tq but somehow seems to out pull it. Now the 6.4 is slow and the 6.6 will smoke it empty in a drag, but you put it on an 8% grade with 15k lb trailer and the ram pulls away from it.
6.6 Chevy overall handled my gooseneck well.
I use to love Chevy but thier so far behind in luxury and packaging. Why don’t they give us more LT with huge screen & leather they don’t Listener
Rumor has it there is a re-design for the 2022 Silverado 1500's...(updated front end and new interior features with larger touchscreen)...can not say for sure if and when the HDs will get an update. Chances are the 2023 HD will get the refresh, if not in 2022 along with the 1500's.
Last I looked, it's a truck. You want luxury buy a benz.
“Topping off” is not advised. Just because the morons at TFL do it doesn’t mean it’s right. No manufacture recommends it.
My 6.6 burns zero oil
I don’t feel so bad about my 07 6.0 5 speed getting 7.6 mpg pulling hills, with 8k pound trailer.