I really don't see how Hitler's whole "disgust" thing makes him any less of an anti-Semite. He viewed Jews as vectors for disease, and being a disease unto themselves. That's bigoted as fuck.
This is a bit random, but since you spoke about Luther; what books do you read to learn a more objective or critical outlook on Christian History? I've been trying find books, and I have found some; but it's hard to fish out the good books amongst the wide array of biased apologetic books. Lowkey you should make a short video recommending all the books you read.
@@Mrballerize I don't think bias can be completely eliminated, but try Karen Armstrong's "a history of God", read about the documentary hypothesis, Bart Ehrman's "Misquoting Jesus" - other names to look up are Maurice Casey and Paula Fredriksen for a start. Also check out the channel Religion for Breakfast
@@toxendon OK I've actually read Bart Erman's "Misquoting Jesus", and seen some of Religion for Breakfast's stuff. I'll go check out the other names you mentioned though, thanks.
In the end he was a great hero after all lololol. 100 bucks says Lobster boy would say something similar and actually mean it if trimp killed himself lol.
As an artist and illustrator who has studied art history, yes, I can say that Hitler's art wasn't all that good. There's a reason why he was rejected from the Academy of Fine Arts in Vienna. His artwork is strictly representational, with the landscapes best being described as sterile and flat, often overshadowing any human figures in the image. He rendered humans with minimal detail, and blank expressionless faces, as you might expect from someone who cared so little for his fellow human beings. Hitler was good at mimicking the styles of the artists he studied, and drafting the images of existing architecture or scenery, but there was no originality or imagination to be found in his art. There is something to be said about how fascism cannot innovate, only appropriate what's already there.
I once had a US History teacher tell our class that Adolf Hitler was "by far one of the greatest statesmen of all time. and that we could thank him for getting the US out of the depression more than we could thank FDR." I was quizzical when he said it, and fortunately, I went home and brushed up on the facts. Sometimes the education we get in schools is garbage.
Well, at least some of us learned how tribalism can be turned into fascism without people realizing they're the fascists. So now some of us can see that Peterson does remind us, in his own stupid and warped ways, that he is painting everyone left of the far right as marxists, butchers, criminals, sinners against god, and the enemies of freedom, god, and westersn society. So I guess we could thank Hitler for being and making one of the worst examples that just doesn't seem to stay away. It's just a bit pathetic that most of us learned nothing, making all those deaths count for nothing or worse. Great job Peterson! And you know what he says, if he's good at something we can't call him an idiot, even if that something is manipulation and feigning ignorance with deadly consequences. He is a stochastic terrorist and he knows and loves it.
Holy crap, I can’t conceive of a teacher saying this like wtf- I’m glad I had my teachers (even if economics was oversimplified to support capitalism at the expense of the scientific method)
I live in Russia, so there's plenty of both covert and overt anti-semitism displayed by some prominent figures, especially our equivalent of "Dark Web Intellectuals" like Dugin, so that's not too crazy for me. But what I've been truly shocked by is when my grandaunt was chastising my cousin for dating a Jewish girl, even though she wasn't even Jewish, the grandaunt just didn't like his gf. And then she was hating on the Ukranian president and called him "Jew-face". That kind of out-of-nowhere everyday racism and anti-semitism always catches me off-guard
She isn't wrong there, Hitler ran on that platform. He promised the German people that they would be strong, united (of course, except you, you, you, and you - ya'll get to go to your death because you don't fit the perfect German mold. Honestly, I could see Hitler running on a "make Germany great again" platform, exactly so. Evil in humanity is insidious and ever so subtle to start.
When I was a kid that would have been a career killer. Go look at Powell river of blood speech - it ended his political career and he was expelled from Tory party but I honestly believe of a cabinet minister said if today they wouldn’t even lose their portfolio
Omg lol. Thank you. As a Canadian with half my family in Alberta and half in Qc. I'm surrounded by nationalists/separatists and extreme social conservatives on both sides. They LOVE Peterson and have T university/previously Ryerson for "firing him for not using pronouns". They also think Barbara Streisand shouldn't be allowed to sign Xmas songs so..... when I say he supports nazism .....it doesn't move them. They also deny our genocide tho.... Anyways- thanks Kavernacle and others for helping me to survive my family events clinging to my facts
if someone runs you around in circles,tosses you a word salad then forces you to agree,then run away from that conversation because it's only designed to benefit the person who is saying it to you.
So… I just want to mention that in the US, I was taught in several classes that Hitler saved the German economy. The only pushback I ever saw on that concept came from my German teacher, ironically. It was in our textbooks and curriculum that Hitler was some kind of economic genius, and that’s why the German public went along with his rhetoric. I know better now, because I decided to go out on my own and learn about the world. I encourage everyone to follow suit. I don’t care if you were educated in the US, the UK, or China. You weren’t educated, you were indoctrinated, and they left out all of the parts that may have unsettled that indoctrination.
I’m only learning now that he wasn’t really capable of fixing the German economy. Considering what I understand of his incompetence during the war this makes more sense as to what really happens in comparison to what people get told. So in other words he stole stuff from people to reorganize wealth but didn’t really innovate the economy at all. And, his culling of people always seemed to me like something that would hinder economic progress and hinder the German war effort just instinctively without needing to be told that much.
I studied economics, so I was able to cure myself of that belief rather easily once I found out that fascism is centralization of the economy through the state where they dictate what industry should produce and do. Central planning never works
I think this is done because the West does not want to admit a large reason for his rise was most of the west thought they would be eventually fighting on Germany's side against Russia.
I'm of Polish descent on my dad's side, and I was born with both autism and hip dysplasia. I'd very much be considered an "Untermensch" in Hitler's eyes....the fact that people still fall and praise for Hitler's rhetoric says a lot about society. Especially about the state of conservatives today
Another vitally important point about the "Table Talk" book is that it was written by Martin Bormann, a devout Nazi who was essentially Hitler's chief of staff (I think the official title was "chief secretary" but he was essentially running Hitler's personal bureaucracy). This was why he had such access to Hitler's after dinner conversations; he was literally sitting at the table! This is crucial from a historical point of view since Bormann wasn't some random individual who happened to be close by when Hitler was speaking off the cuff. He was a true believer in Nazism and actively sought to portray his furher in the best possible light. The book is explicit Nazi propaganda! This doesn't mean the book doesn't have value from a historical perspective (assuming you can get past the translation issues). But as piece of deliberate propaganda it must be approached carefully with the knowledge that THIS IS HOW THE NAZIS WANTED TO PORTRAY THEMSELVES TO THE WORLD. You NEVER take something like that a face value.
Not a public figure, but I think the weirdest take on Hitler I ever heard was from the Tibetian Medicine teacher in the Buddhist convent I stayed in for a few months. He told me that the reason WWII happened was because Hitler wanted to convert Germany to Hinduism which... I can understand how he got there knowing nothing about nazism except that they used the swastika but still made me choke on my yak butter tea.
There was actually a woman called Savitri Devi. A french-greek who visited India and converted to hinduism, and who believed that Hitler was the Kalki avatar and will return again one day...
@@sukhdeepbutty2399 I assumed it was just WWII is not really taught in the areas I was in, so they built their assumptions around the little bits they did see. Which is reasonable, it's not a huge part of their history in the way it is the UK's for example.
Tibet had ties to Nazis during WW2, in 39 Shäfer went to Lhasa and met with various nobles/ministers. The Reting Ripoche (the dude who selects the next Lama) met with him personally several times and even asked if Germany would sell arms to Tibet.
@@camillagilmore1547 thats a weird assumption to make lol. Considering you're literally stomping around the former empire Esoterics tried to connect to birthplace of aryans to these mystical fair skinned north indian peoples, just like loads of conservative white americans try and coopt indigenous identities here In india they lapped up the idea that hitler was a fan of their race because it put them on a higher social level than other asians blacks and carribeans in the international colonial system.
@@hwolfe2035 Uuumm...why wouldn't he believe it? Fashos usually lie about what they truly believe, sure, but in that book, ol' "uncle Dolf" laid it all down without any kind of filter...it contains all of his hatred, bile and bi**try, pure and unadulterated. So if he didn't bother to hide the worst he had to offer..basically the things that led to the "H-word"...why would he lie about something so trivial?
I think he shut down Catholic Churches and changed stuff about Christianity to fit with Nazi race stuff so I think that’s probably why people think he was an atheist. But people changing religion to fit their ideas isn’t exactly new to Christianity.
@@HiBuddyyyyyy - He arrested thousands of nuns and priests and put them in the camps, too. There is a very good case for H being an atheist, as most historians believe, and as most tyrants throughout modern history, from Stalin to Mao Zedong, have been.
When I was in my late teens, early twenties, I made a very good friend online. We talked for hours on end daily, read each other’s texts as we were budding writers, encouraged each one, and even co-wrote a story. She was a very important person in my life. I knew she had a fascination with Vikings and Medieval lore but never thought it was anything other than this. The one day she tells me that Hitler was not entirely bad: he sponsored the opera and under him classical music flourished. I did not know what to say. I thought it was a joke and since our interaction was online, it was not entirely clear. She kept going on about it and then it me…she was dead serious. All of a sudden, much of her racist drivel that I had dismissed, became obvious in intent. As a very lonely person, who struggled to make relationships of any kind, this was quite a blow to me. But I had to accept the facts about her and, worse, about me. Because some of her racism had rubbed off on me without why even noticing it at the time. She told me black people could not sing opera. I believed her until my singing instructor pointed me to a wonderful black soprano. She had told me tall tales of defending poor white students at her school from gangs of black kids and I now questioned how true this was. At the end, I had to drop the friendship. There was simply no other option.
Dude. You were probably also being catfished by a massive hulking neonazi covered in SS tattoos. If this relationship was purely online then that's a solid possibility I'm afraid.
> At the end, I had to drop the friendship. There was simply no other option. Sad story, but you did the right thing. I've been in similar situations myself.
@@brindlekintalesTo this day, I am baffled at “Hitler sponsored the opera” as an argument. Even if true, it wouldn’t matter. If I hadn’t been so baffled, I would have pointed out that Hitler got rid of many brilliant Jewish musicians, thus doing harm to music…on top of everything else! Many of the top performers of classical music were of Jewish descent, their murder impoverished the music scene.
@@Nocturnalux I couldn''t agree more, thank you. Those who play up perceived goodness in Hitler are bullies in sheep's clothing. Or just REALLY stupid...the price we pay for not provided a decent education for all our citizens, not just the affluent.
I cannot get over the fact that so many historical figures were blazingly antisemitic and it was never mentioned when we covered them in school. This blind spot makes me doubt everything.
Christians have a deeply ingrained "It was the way of the times" mentality. Just look at the Bible. Personally, I have a hard time believing that a god would would drown a whole planet and sent bears to maul children for teasing a bald guy would just shrug and say "Welp, it's immoral, but thats just how things are these days."
It makes sense in some places, I never leant in school because Jewish people are 0.2% of my population, so outside of nazism we don't talk about them a lot but it seems pretty weird when it's the US.
The weirdest hitler praise ive ever heard was "Hitler was a military genius he had the right idea he just got greedy" this from my dad when i was growing up.
Hitler could have been anything BUT military genius, idiot launched an invasion to communist russia ruled by a madman and then, probably on the same year since Pearl Harbor happened in 1941 declared war on United States. Like yea, US supplied UK but there weren't american boots overthrowing Mussolini, assisting british forces in north africa and launching D-Day
well his stomach told him, that Kursk would be a mistake: some of his generals told him to attack. Göring promised, he could provide the soldiers in Stalingrad, so Hitler didnt order the soldiers back. The battle of Moscow was unlucky, because the winter came early and Görings promise to provide goods far east destroyed Hitlers sucess. And yeah, Hitler approved to attack with tanks in formations against France threw Belgium: bold and smart move. Not trusting the Danemarks and Norway was a good move as well: these attacks saved Germanys needed iron. With new chancelors like Schröder/Merkel/Scholz Germany would be taken fast, because they only care about re-election and have zero ambition. Dont get me wrong; Hitler was a monster and may he rot, but modern German Chancellors wouldnt even defeat Poland today.
My takeaway from cleaning your room is that once done, you feel better and can work on other things. Thing is, that's not ground breaking at all, and it still might not help tackle your other problems. It's self help nonsense.
I've always said to anyone who attempts to say Hitler was a economic or tactical genius is you have to bear in mind he failed to get into art college. TWICE!
@@siphomnisi3842 Sorry, but its one of the biggest parts of discussing the guy. Why are you so concerned with a neutral outlook on HITLER of all people? Its like talking about the American Civil War, no matter how you slice it, cook it, turn it around, rearrange it, frame it, analyze it, study it, debate about it, it all comes back around to the core component of slavery, thats what the war was fought over whether people like it or not. Likewise, with Hitler, it all comes back down to aryanism and genocide, no matter how you slice it.
Thats not really a good answer, considering thst he actually was bad at military tactics and propped up the exonomy with smoke and mirrors. Autobahn wasnt his idea either.
@@siphomnisi3842 Sure. Right, he was a genocidal maniac tyrannical dictator. That's the neutral statement. If someone is evil you don't need to hold water for them to have a neutral take.
"You have to hand it to Hitler, he was an organisational genius." No, he wasn't. He was well known to sleep until midday everyday, and would not be pleased were he to be woken early. A tendency that backfired many times, not the least of which was a complete paralyzing the German response to the June 6 landings in Normandy. He also did very little organisation himself. He would essentially spitball an idea or policy, and then leave it up to underlings to figure out how to get it done ... all while conducting internecine bickering. Had there not been underlings who were actually effective at organising things, it is probable that the Nazis would have got very little done (so we should be unhappy the there were any 'organisation genius' in the Nazi hierarchy). Neither are traits of an organisational genius. Hitler was a talented artist. No he wasn't. He was rejected entrance to art school, twice, because he was singularly lacking in imagination and motivation, according to the examining body. One of them suggested Architecture, however he would have to go back to secondary school if that was something he wanted to pursue (he had dropped out, and didn't want to return). Essentially Hitler got a decent inheritance, moved to Vienna in the hopes of becoming an artist, failed, blew the inheritance, and bummed around until WW1 kicked off. And then he got swept up in the enthusiasm and joined up (like so many other young men did all over the world). With regards to him being charismatic. Most people that ever met Hitler individually, reported that he wasn't anything special. What they universally say, is that he was a good public speaker, and that is what attracted them to him. Despite his personality flaws (many of his fellow soldiers thought that he was a bit odd), he did do fairly well in the Army. He was awarded a medal (I think a couple) for bravery, in fact he was in a fairly dangerous job as a message runner, and was promoted to Corporal. Hitler was denied further promotion, as he lacked interpersonal skills and leadership ability. He was kept on in the Army after the war for a time, with the job of infiltrating political organisations and reporting intelligence back to his superiors, which is how he first came into contact with what would become the Nazis. JP needs to get his head out of his a** and read some books. And not just the few that reinforce his own view of the world. How anyone thinks that he is smart and well read, is beyond me.
Holy fuck, with all the localizations and time considered, this looks a lot like Brazil's fucker at power now. Minus the discourse ability, not even this the fucker has, he just has sons who know how to meddle with social media. It's scary how this describes a lot another fascist as well
Hitler filled a power vaccum. But he was democratically elected to one of the richest countries in the world. Germany also managed to invade the majority of Europe in a relatively short space of time.
The other thing about Hitler's organization skills is that he never established a clear chain of command for his generals. He often gave vague, unclear orders and would play his general against each other in order for them to prove their loyalty. The latter is a feature of dictatorships because all dictators fear their generals becoming too powerful and overthrowing them. Obviously, this proved a bad way to fight a war.
random story about this outlook: My grandfather definitely had the Hitler-as-an-economic-genius misperception, and he literally was antiracist, embraced me fully and immediately as his gay trans grandson, refused to sign a statement saying he wasn't a communist during McCarthyism to keep his professor job (because he stood in solidarity with communist coworkers, not because he was just offended, lol), did some codebreaking for the US military during WWII (as a mathematical logician, not someone who was enlisted prior). My impression, especially from what he said about other people his age and their views of the Third Reich, is that for a lot of the Americans who lived contemporary to the Nazis, this was a weird bit of American propaganda that burrowed itself into even very anti-Nazi people. I don't know whether this was spread was to make the Nazis look like a worthy adversary instead of the bumblers and snakes that they were, or to deal with the cognitive dissonance about how Normal People could allow someone like Hitler to take over. But he definitely thought Hitler was an evil person who was in power partially because of the *miracles* he worked for the German economy. I wish he was still alive to ask about this. ...my grandfather, not Hitler.
Hi. My Grandfather was a Nazi & my Mom's side of the family is from Bavaria. They all say that the German people did benefit greatly from Hitler's economy, and his push to improve infrastructure kept him in power and solicited converts. My grandfather was trained and placed in a high paying job through the DAF, until he was sent to the Russian Front, put in a Siberian POW camp, released to walk back to Germany and then hung himself in the woods (the ideology died with him). My Gr Uncle was NOT a Nazi in his politics, but joined the party because he was an educator and had to join to keep working. He hated Hitler, especially after the war. but he conceded that he did wonders for the economy at the time. I'm certainly not a economist, and I cannot say that it is ultimately true, I just wanted to share what my family said about it. The sentiment was: he pulled Germany out of a depression, brought pride and jobs back, gave power back to the worker, and that was enough to accept his leadership.
"I'm certainly not a economist, and I cannot say that it is ultimately true" Good because it isn't. The German economy under Hitler was a lot like the US economy now - a lot of "I scratch your back, you scratch mine" between corporate elites, the military industrial complex, and the government; and looting other countries. It was crony capitalism on steroids.
Its always troubling when people with degrees in certain fields start thinking they're good in every other field. Especially history. 'I can fly a plane so that means I understand politics' is a common mindset. When in fact you can be the very best pilot and still suck at human relations.
The only thing bothering me more, is people with degrees who do not understand their own fields, how about that? It's that you need a degree to know about a subject. To know about a subject you do research, wether you have a degree not. Lots of people with degrees are batshit crazy just like Peterson.
@@RoyalRegimentofScotland Hmmm. Not really. You might not need an actual degree, but just reading sources isn’t enough without trained critical thinking. I used to think this too until I went to medical school and realized just how much time, effort, and energy it takes to become an expert in something. And to genuinely understand it. A lot of people have surface level understandings of things and assume they know enough to argue. No matter how many textbooks a random person reads, or legitimate sources. They could never confidently carry out brain surgery without practice and years of training. Basically everyone agrees with this. And yet you see people who read 1-2 historical books or articles feeling akin to a history PhD. It just doesn’t add up. I own up to my ignorance, and I’m pretty well read. The more up I read, the more I am humbled.
Germany in the early 1900's was one of the most progressive countries in Europe. Nazi's admired American Eugenicists and they had many supporters in USA. These people didn't disappear. All it takes is a generation of economic hardship and propaganda to bring the murderers out of the woodwork.
Hardly, he has described that period of history time and time again, drawing parallels to Hitler's perception of the Jews as vermin. You're clearly perplexed by him as an individual and that's fine but don't unreasonably make him out as a Nazi lover just to suit your caricature of him.
@@KayJayFusion perplexity doesn't equal profundity. You'll learn that at some point. And Jordan Peterson sold out to the Daily Wire to become a caricature of himself. Up yours, woke moralist!
@@KayJayFusion While the reason Jordy has of weaving this BLATANTLY FALSE narrative of history can de debated (and you, his stans, will always give him the most kind interpretation), what can't ever be debated is that what he's saying is...as I've mentioned just now, BLATANTLY FALSE!!!! Hitler was never concerned (much less obssessed) with cleanliness. He never actually gave a toss about actual vermin, like rats and cockroaches, and there is 0 evidence that he ever began a campaign of hygiene thoughout the Reich. In fact, the hospitals in Germany at the time were pretty unsanitary...even for the standards of the time. And Zykon B was never used for its intial intended purpose, as an insecticide (not on a large scale, anyway), it was always used...the way we all know it was used. He did indeed sometimes refer to the targets (and future victims) of the "H-word" by that horrible noun, but it was purely because of total disdain and bi**try, cause he considered them "sub-human", not because he somehow worked his way up to them by starting from animal pests...that, again, NEVER HAPPENED. So, even if you don't want to believe he's trying to exculpate said regime (and the guy in front of it)...Jordan B. Peterson shoud still get laughed out of every room he sets foot in, just for saying something this hilariously DUM!!!!
@@ksvbvssf394 It's unfortunate that when you ever try to argue a single point for Peterson people like yourself assume I'm in love with the guy. Truth is, I'm not very enamoured by him either, I just think you're being disingenuous. But if you want to be a patronising prick and assume I'm your enemy then feel free, you won't get very far in life with that attitude however.
@@madsgrams2069 You're not making sense. Even IF it wasn't true, the contention that Hitler viewed Jews as vermin doesn't support his regime, to the contrary, it shows how deluded and monstrous he truly was. In what way is Peterson sympathising?
The Altright has been growing in power since around 2009 or so. A lot of lunatic fringers has been able to tap into the large swathes of angry, bitter outdated people who fear the way civilization has been heading. Look at Alex Jones.
“I have studied Jeffery Dahmer A LOT and there are things you can’t say about him. You can’t say that he was a untalented craftsman… (god I am so smart and nuanced)”
Yeah his rants against the things he hates (leftism, "Cultural Marxism", trans people, ...) are very transparently motivated by pure disgust. Nothing rational about them.
Because the Nazis treated gay and trans people so well, certainly didn't throw them into camps and force them to wear pink triangles, and totally didn't burn down the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft and all its research.
On today's episode of the Twilight zone: Transition actually is blood magic which requires the souls of exactly 6 million and one jews to be sacrificed. Hitler was you all along.
I've heard people say that he was a great man because of his veganism and respect for animals, which is like "what about the humans he called animals?" I've also heard people take the human testing done in concentration camps as being a massive upside to scientific knowledge, but it barely contributed anything. Especially because most documents were destroyed in fire, war, just lost, intentionally destroyed, etc
I'm not sure if I'd describe JP as a 'closet Nazi' (despite his dog whistles, such as about the 'fourth reich'). However, his obsession with hierarchies and their 'naturalness' (also displayed in his queerphobia, misogyny and racism), his concern with preserving 'western culture' and, as you describe in this video, his Nazi apologism/rabid anti-communism make him an open fascist in my book. While I don't think being a successful academic makes you necessary super clever, it's hard to believe someone in his position would misunderstand historical and scientific data the way he does. He has power and a platform and uses it to normalise fascist rhetoric. I feel that since his recovery, he's gone completely mask off.
Just spend one of my yearly trips to Berlin and every time I’m there I’m blown away that anyone can fall for the lure of nazism and Hitler. If people are going to Berlin you should go see the Hitler Bunker Museum. The curator there presents an amazing deep dive into “Becoming Hitler”. One of the things I noticed was the rapid downfall of nazism when Hitler tried to merge the Lutheran church into a state church. The church was fine about it as it would mean more missionary successes. People just didn’t dig it. They got fed up with Hitler at that point. I personally never thought Hitler was an atheist because of his thrive to become god.
Off topic: I was curious if your 'Fries' referred to potatoes or geology. You live on a beautiful island. I've been to Terschelling, the Netherlands, and wouldn't mind living on one of the Wadden islands.
In one of the 42 videos Cass Eris made on Jordan Peterson's terrible red flags throughout "12 rules for life", she noted his list of psychoanalyst role models, which included the obvious Freud, Jung, & Lacan, but a mysterious name unknown to modern psychology received the most reverence from JP, who Cass looked into to discover that this guy was the "leader of Nazi psychoanalysis", and complicit in genocidal atrocities. His scientific merit is as poor as Peterson's being an often discredited charlatan + a Nazi, much like JP. Also, I know of at least 2 other videos of JP trying to persuade his audience that Hitler was the good guy.
The scary part of watching this is that I had no idea that Martin Luther had such anti-semitic views. I learned about him in my 10th grade World History class, but just the courageous part of his going against the Roman Catholic church.
I remember coming across Jordan Peterson in the late 2010s. Initially I thought he was interesting. I was a young activist and really hungry for information. I remember there was a video of a lecture he did on Hitler and he said the exact same things mentioned in this video. I immediately cut the video off and forgot that he ever existed. It's actually horrifying to see how people glaze over the fact that Jordan Peterson literally infantilizes Hitler as some person who had OCD and unfortunately Jewish people were his target. I personally think that Jordan thinks that Hitler was a genius and admires him. He doesn't see the genocide of millions as a hard stop, it's merely a flaw to him. Thank you for this video, hopefully the algorithm gods won't bury it.
OMFG 31:00 Jordan is perfectly describing trump and then he says "you see that with Antifa". No Jordan, we see that with trump and his base, in spades. What a ridiculous clown.
@@nunya2076 The term "Antifa" doesn't describe a specific organization (unlike the Oathkeepers or Propd Boys on the right), but is a loose term describing those who are opposed to right wing movements generally. It is more of a concept than an actual group.
14:34 It might be of interest to you to also know that the word “privatisation” is originally of German coinage during Nazi Germany. I read an article a long time ago on Jacobin, that when British economists where following developments in Nazi Germany it was a phenomenon that had gained traction in Nazi Germany, with state entities sold to private interests and the German economists already had a word for it which had no English equivalent, thus began the circulation of the word “privatisation” in English vocabulary.
Did Hitler do some impressive things? Did he have a positive impact for some pockets of people? Was he technically a painter? IDK Maybe but that's like saying Hannibal Lecter is a good cook.
I also feel like I need to point out: anyone who pulls out of the Treaty of Versailles is going to look like they've "done wonders" for the economy, but it's not like Hitler came up with that idea. It was pretty clear to many Germans at the time that many of their financial issues were caused by the heavy sanctions.
@@Ho-mb2wb I didn't mean to suggest that it was the only reason, rather that along with the global economic growth and other factors, pulling out of the treaty played a role. That's something that Hitler often gets credit for, but it's not like he had this brainwave that no one else considered.
Funny enough as a kid and young teen I thought Hitler had a good goal in mind. When I heard "Master Race" my brain thought like "Literally genetically superior" like- a race of supermen. Not just dumbasses thinking they were superior. I really hope everyone who heard me talk about this forgot it long ago
They didn’t. Unless you kept in contact they’ll remember you as that weird nazi kid I’ve known people like that. I have no idea where they are now but my last memory of one of them was a passionate defense of nazism. I stopped mid sentence and walked away from him. He shouted I lost because I supposedly couldn’t respond to his stupidity.
The Nazis did draw inspiration from Jefferson, Jackson and the Manifest Destiny. Lebensraum is the Nazi Manifest Destiny. As the Manifest Destiny (a white nationalist manifest) called for the extermination of the indigenous people and expand West, Lebensraum calls for the extermination of the Slavs and expansion East. Of course, there was also the Germanification of Europe. Dutch people, for example, don't need to be exterminated. They just need to become Germans.
I urge you to find an article from The Star in Canada by a former friend and former colleague of Jordan Peterson, with whom Peterson long severed ties and, it would appear, the friend also hosted Peterson’s family at his home for a month or more while Peterson was having problems (the nature of which escapes me now because it’s been years since I read that piece), but it was educational on the kind of man Peterson is. Per this friend, who’s daughter is Trans, Peterson regularly confided in him his admiration of authoritarian leaders, including Hitler, but more specifically their ability to sway crowds - though, I would argue, the appropriate language is “mobs”. For a long time, according to this former friend, Peterson tried to educate himself on their speaking habits and the valuable things he could adopt from them into his persona. Peterson also told this friend, “jokingly”, that he had ambitions to start a church. The friend later saw he may have been serious. The man did say, something I wholeheartedly believe, that Jordan Peterson is dangerous and he regrets not seeing it earlier.
There's a 1970s news article about a 14 year old Peterson you should check online. He was the youngest member of the NDP party in Canada. A socialist party?. Apparently he stated in the article that he wanted nothing less than being prime minister of Canada some day. There is a photo of him posing confidently yet creepily geeky for the camera. It struck me that he looked a bit like the clone young Hitlers in that film "The Boys from Brazil". Demagogue in the making.
That guy your talking is absolutely spot on about JP. Read the coda section of 12 rules. He goes full messianic with the cod biblical language he uses. It ends with " What shall I do when the great crowd beckons?, stand tall and utter my broken truths." This is the last line of the book. A psychologist with a messianic complex seems to be the only conclusion you could draw from it.
You have to remember that JP makes his _dietary decisions_ based on ideology. Of course he can't do accurate historical research and instead just regurgitates ideological narratives - _he can barely do research in the first place._
I honestly think that some of his current emotional dysregulation is due to being malnourished. As a psychologist you’d think he’d be aware of that danger, given that emotional dysregulation is an extremely common result of eating disorders. The crying especially is a big sign to me. When I was very sick with my eating disorder, my moods were so unstable and I would cry at nothing. Some of my most embarrassing moments are when I would get overwhelmed and cry in public and I still cringe when I think of it. He needs to get help and eat some fruits and vegetables, too.
@@anna-lisalysell5077 I refer you to my comment about how he can barely do research in the first place. You'd _think_ a psychologist would be aware of scientific research on the connections between diet and mental health, but... that'd involve him researching what data and data analyses have already been dug up/run on the topic - and as we all know ad hoc evo-psych rationalisations tell us that humans evolved on a barely subsistence level diet and therefore peak alpha male Western Judeo-Christian values (the only true benchmark of mental health!) are achieved only through periodic fasting and steak. Just like Jesus taught, probably!
@@Zahaqiel isnt he on some sort of carnivore, or carnivore based diet? kinda hard to do much research on that, as there really hasnt been research done on it.
non westerner here. many people in Asia think we should listen to what Hitler has to say and forget about the politics. they dont even know about the genocide because it was not taught.
I think its because it didnt "effect" Asia in any real way who has context for a genocide happening in Europe when you live in Asia on the other side of the world .... still not ideal considering it will probably happen over and over in human history
What things Hitler said should supposedly be listened to? The genocide (incl. racism and eugenics stuff) was pretty much the core of his ideology. What's left, once you strip that away, but unconnected bits and pieces?!
@@gagaplex Most of Hitler's ideas are basic conservative stuff. Banning homosexuality and abortion. Corporal punishment at home and in school. Women's place is in the home. Even if genocide, racism and eugenics were his core ideology, it wasn't something played up to the German population. The United States government kept the Tuskegee syphilis experiment on the down low. Even IF the white American population had been onboard with it, it's not something they could outwardly support.
Hitler writes briefly about his war experience in Mein Kampf. If we were to take him at his word, then he was likely the most starry-eyed, super-patriotic, insufferable little tit. I am not aware of any memoirs by his fellow soldiers, but I would not be surprised if he was utterly loathed by anyone who had to share a trench with him for more than five minutes.
@@MrTravelWriter Oh, I'm sure it was all self-serving. I'm just saying that it wasn't the flex he thought it was. Reading MK, I imagine that having to share a trench with this "idealized" version of him would have put me in the mood for some fratricide! Thanks for the book rec, though!
@@paulsillanpaa8268 Yeah, Becoming Hitler talks about how he was all about his war buddies, but his war buddies thought he was an oddball. One called out his lies in Mein Kampf re his WWI service, and Hitler sued him. Another chastised Hitler privately for making himself look heroic, when really he had just been a common dispatch runner. Another good book for gaining insight into Hitler's everyday awfulness is Hitler Speaks by Hermann Rauschning. Rauschning describes how other Nazis sometimes hated meeting with Hitler, because of his conniptions and theatrics. One said he always got the feeling Hitler wanted to strangle him. Rauschning concluded that Hitler was mad, and published his book in 1939 as a warning after fleeing to America, but people didn't believe what he had written to be true. I think Rauschning was honest and extremely observant, but people didn't listen and he was only vindicated during the war when the OSS used his observations to help create a psychological profile of Hitler. I can kind of relate to Rauschning, because I've written a book arguing that Peterson is a Nazi, but people dismiss it as being false without ever bothering to read it. One guy told me my claims were nonsense, because he'd Googled whether Peterson was a Nazi and there was no positive response. I'm curious to know what The Kavernacle thinks. He asks his viewers what they think, but I'm wondering if he thinks Peterson could be a Nazi. Or perhaps this designation is out of the realm of possibility, as it seems to be for so many others? Not sure.
Goddamn--this is an excellent video. Thank you, Kav, for deconstructing JP's bullshit. I have long viewed him as fash-curious, if not quasi-fascist. He constantly symphathizes with the Nazi perspective and (willfully?) misunderstands history to excuse some of the worst crimes ever committed. His worldview is much darker than most people realize.
People have been calling Putin's right wing movement to destroy democracy "conservative" since the beginning, as if they are just a normal political party with a different point of view. Their actions make it clear who they are, which is why the suggestion of "discussion" or "debate" with these people is preposterous. Everything they say is a lie, and the façade is necessary because they can't say "we want to take power by any means including elections so we can either kill or enslave you and rule with an iron fist to get revenge for how unfair it all is for white male dullards who can't get laid." All they need to say is "we aren't violent or extreme, it's the left who are violent and want to raise your taxes," and they get a pass.
I suspect JP was always a Nazi sympathizer, but could not express his beliefs in mainstream Canadian academia. Becoming an anti-trans activist disguised as a free speech advocate quickly became more lucrative than being a U of T professor and the more he dropped his mask and widened his fascist apologia net, the more successful he became. This allowed him to pursue a dream he never thought possible, to become a mainstream advocate for christian conservative fascism.
@Brendan O'Rourke Spot on. I fully expect him to expand his grift into pastoral work/pastoral 'care'.... Bigger grift = bigger payout for Kermit The Fraud. He's merely dipping his toes at the moment. I'm not certain he'll pull off a Mega-Church straight away, but believe there are PLENTY of impressionable and gullible North American nutters to make it possible. It's crazy that I reckon this to be the third time I've read he's spoken of his desire to start a church. I can see him transitioning into this role as a Televangelist on Sundays....
Why? Fascism isn't an ideology like, say, communism. Authentic fascism isn't exportable. American libertarianism looks like fascism to Europeans. Think the Starship Troopers film, made by a European director. _Fascism is not a principled or ideological stand; it is the politics of grievance, an instrumentalist response to a political situation it perceives as unacceptable. Fascism is the counter-revolutionary politics of force, justified by ultra-nationalism, glorified by myths of regeneration and purification, performed by masculine cults of personality and sold as the will of the people._ _Historians of fascism have also demonstrated that all fascism is indigenous by definition. As Robert O Paxton explained in his seminal 1998 essay “The Five Stages of Fascism”, “authentic fascism is not for export” because all fascisms draw “their slogans and their symbols from the patriotic repertory of one particular community”. Paxton also noted that “religion, for example, would certainly play a much greater role in an authentic fascism in the United States than in the first European fascisms”._ _American fascism will be ultra-American. It will reject the atheism and statism of European models; it will be self-righteous, certain of its own innocence, and understand itself as libertarian. Nativist agrarianism goes to the heart of these American populist mythologies, as it did to the rhetoric of both Mussolini and Hitler, promising to regenerate the nation - to make it great again. It elevates an authentic, preferably rural, national folk and defines them as “real Americans”, while denying first the loyalty, then the citizenship, then the humanity of everyone else. That authoritarian, nativist solutions to political problems did not find traction in the US in the 1930s does not prove that they never could; American exceptionalism did not immunise it against fascism, and it had its own organically fascistic movements that enjoyed popular support and sought entrenched power during the interwar years._
I mean, they should be embarrassed anyway. If fascism didn’t kill so many people I would say it is cringey. I’ll say it anyway, because it is. It’s really f/cking cringey and weird.
@@grisflyt I'm guessing that's a Paul Verhoeven quote, but two corrections to his words. 1) European fascism wasn't atheist as the video goes into. 2) American fascist movements definitely existed and took hold, but the advent of the war in Europe countered it's rise.
@@grisflyt dude fascism IS an ideology. Put into practise. Is basically socialism applied to the nation state. Read Gentile's writing (the writer of "Dottrina del Fascismo"). There is a reason ALL fascist were socialist. There is a reason fascist were extremely antisocialist. They were preaching to the same crowd.
So, not content with pandering to right-wing extremists of the neo-Nazi variety, Peterson is now also pandering to right-wing extremists of the fundamentalist Christian variety, and pandering to two different groups of right-wing extremists simultaneously?
Hitler was raised as a catholic since he was born in Austria. He fled to Bavaria in southern Germany since he thought Austria-Hungary was to multi cultural
Sometimes these people remind me of this part from the RotS Mr. Plinkett review. Just casually dropping that you've been 'researching Hitler for years' and then saying odd defensive things about the Nazis... "So anyway he’s sittin there with Palpatine, and Palpatine’s talking about the Sith again. (Palpatine) “It was a Dark Lord of the Sith…” And we’re like, why does this guy know so much about the Sith?? It’s like being in a casual conversation with someone that you’ve known, and then they start talking about how they’re currently reading Mein Kampf. You might just raise an eyebrow and be like, “Wait. What did you just say… about Mein Kampf?”"
There's a whole ableist angle to the idea that "OCD would make you do the holocaust" which is especially messed up given peterson's (ex-?) profession as a clinical psychologist.
You're right: Hitler thought that Islam would be a more suitable religion for the Aryan race, calling Christianity too meek and flabby. Hitler held Christian ethics in contempt and preferred the concept of the survival of the fittest.
This was one of the best videos about the true meaning of JP. You demonstrated how extremely important it is to have a knowledge of History w / o that knowledge, people can re-write / misdirect /mis-educate, thousands of people & put their critical-thinking skills in some kind of bizarro-world where 2+2 does actually = 6.44cm.
When a person with an academic title talks about things outside that person's field of expertise, that person does not talk as an academic, but at best as an intellectual. Unfortunately JBP far too often talks about things he doesn't know anything about.
Peterson seems to be the epitome of the western tendency to find communism or even lukewarm socialism terrifying, and at the same time fascism a mild annoyance or even normal.
Peterson's comment about Hitler being "cleanly" always stuck out to me because of how ridiculous it is. Most people who are super cleanly are decent people, probably more concerned about keeping their apartments clean than hating groups of people for existing. This man was somebody that I never liked because of his blatant fearmongering about pronouns, his ideas about how men and women interact, and his "I got to hand it to Hitler" attitude. And I must say, talking to people who like Peterson at all can be super unpleasant. I've cut off friendships because even though I'd explain my points, we wouldn't get anywhere and there are ideas Peterson has which are opposed to me as a whole.
@@RoyalRegimentofScotland Not exactly. But if someone is a complete idiot and/or has bad politics (for example, if they’re a forced birther, a TERF, etc) I don’t owe them my friendship.
I remember when Jordan Peterson had his original podcast and was trying to sell himself as some kind of leftist, he had this (African?) woman on whose name I forgot (and it seems like she really fell off of the right winger internet sphere) who advocated on his show that genocide against muslims is okay because it's religious based, not race based, and muslims uniquely needed the violence to be acted upon them to get peace. It was horrible, and it's not just that he had her on and never challenged her at all much like right wing podcast do today, but she wasn't even advocating for only middle eastern arabic muslims like you'd think a crazy right winger would mean, she meant every muslim on the planet! He later tried to walk it back saying it was merely a "Thought Experiment"... but I remember feeling like I was in some alien world at that point, and that the people around him were trying to say "He said it was only an intellectual thought experiment, not a legitimate tactic to use" only went to show me how illiterate most people were to the grift. I don't know, I just never really trusted the guy, I always thought he was a fake intellectual that did more to push Ayn Rand than he did anything leftwing, and could do well to read a crowd.
To be fair, at least when it comes to abrahamic religions, they are all proto-fascist in nature. You can't be a christian, practicing jew or muslim without being at least an ally to fascism.
Reality is a bit more complex. Yes, Hitler wasn't an atheist and he absolutely was able to reconcile his ambiguous faith with his political beliefs. However, the Nazi Party wasn't a monolithic group made in the image of Hitler's ideals. There were actually some pretty influential pagans/occultists who had some pretty anti-Christian opinions, but if I remember correctly, he purged all this stuff after the failed Operation Barbarossa.
Politically and socially, Peterson is a throwback to early 20th century conservatives....they too felt that Fascism was less a problem than communism. They too held up the ideal woman as wife and mother (as did Hitler and the Nazis)...
I do ascribe to the belief that Jordan Peterson is in fact a Nazi. To me this is the only logical conclusion to reach when you take in all of his beliefs. If you took any of hi stated beliefs on their own, none of them would really be interesting, but put them all together, and it paints the picture of a man who only condemns the Nazis because its expected today. Yet he does a lot of sympathizing and justifying why the Nazis do what they did, and it is never they were genocidal maniacs, I believe this is him trying to paint them as not being as bad as they were, without openly embracing them.
I would not say a nazi, but something like an unconscious version of a proto-whatever-our- era's-version-of-fascism will be. He doesn't know what he is doing, but his beliefs fill the void left by fascism when you put them all together as you said
Big red flag moment for me was when Noam Chomsky argued that it was unfair to compare the Republicans to Nazis because they didn't try to overthrow the government (mind you, they ended up attempting exactly that). I lost a lot of respect for him when he said that. You can always count on appeasement from liberals, I guess.
33:40 the story is actually rather accurate, hitler was hospitalize due to a granate impact and lost a lot of comrades, he was as well awarded the iron cross tow times (first and second class). While im not sure whether hitler physically went back to find the graves of his dead comrades he definetly lost people he knew during the war (and probably that exact grenade as well) aka found them to be dead.
There were a lot of brutalized men on the allied side in WW1 too. My grandparents were aquainted with some of them. Although on the victorious side, it was a bittersweet victory, particularly when they had to witness the world going to war again twenty years later.
My great grandad was one of them. Got shot in the face lucky for me he didn’t die (was like 19) had to have really early prosthetic surgery on his face. Family didn’t like him for fighting in the war because he was from Ireland - meaning he joined the British army - funnily enough he didn’t become a Nazi lol
Brilliant essay. tops on the subject. I've been watching Jordy for close to 9 years. Working on a essay of my own for Medium or someplace. The most troubling thing is he hasn't yet revealed his own theory of how to solve society's problems. What he is recommending, and will be revealing more, little by little, is the elimination of about one tenth of society (his own ratio); those individuals who fall below a certain IQ score. He says that the poor in this county are poor because they are not intelligent enough to not be poor, and we will solve our economic problems and eradicate any need for social programs because this percentage of the population will no longer be a drain when they are done away with. On the Jews, all you need to do is listen he uses when he drops that nugget, in a apparently innocent "aside" that some Jews cooperated with Nazi guards in the camps, implying that this is due to a flow in all Jews. I've always thought of him as a clown, but now that he has the Koch money behind him, he will be trying to do some real damage.
"nazism was an atheist concept" what about the banner that was posted in Germany that literally said *he who serves Hitler serves God* or was that photo "doctored" too
Weirdly enough that he says that Hitler was moulded by the crowd when I believe this is what happend to Jordan Peterson, himself just like a lot of other people on TH-cam who were (not J.P necessarily though) who have this happen to them.
Oh Kav, as long as Jordan Peterson remains meme-able due to his own lack of self awareness, he ain't going away. Don't take it personally though, he's too dumb to stay cancelled.
Dunna how to feel about that. On one hand, he is so dangerous and has such a capacity for doing harm in the world with his INCESSANT BS, that I wish he'd just go away... But then again, the memes are indeed utterly delicious, especially the ones in which he's a C&C villain. :)) :)) :))
@@madsgrams2069 They seem to be expanding into other games too- I feel like the more people make Peterson out to be the complete ass clown that he is, the more his influence will wane
In France, I learned in history class that economy boomed under his leadership because he was building the means to a war. Industries, road, railroads etc. He was not a genius, but the efforts made towards better structures for his incomings wars did boost the economy, at least my teachers told me
yes, the most important thing for an economy is PEOPLE HAVING MONEY TO BUY THINGS WITH, that means they need to have jobs. Capitalism stagnates and gridlocks itself because the capitalists don't want to give up any money to the poors so the poors don't give them any money back. Public spending resolves it.
Ha, ha, bro! I'll have to borrow that. And, I would say, at certain point in history, one had to choose between becoming a nazi or becoming a communist. Being neutral meant you got it from both sides. We are now entering such a period in history again, don't you think. There is no third choice.
14:57 - 15:35 Peterson saying you can't say Hitler was stupid, lacking in artistic talent, a poor organizer, not charismatic, did wonders for German economy 20:50 - 23:05 Peterson equating Hitler's anti-semitism with him being a clean freak. (PS: He also said the book 'Hitler's Table Talk was amazing.) 29:23 - 31:55 Peterson claiming Hitler wasn't anti-semitic, just a 'mouthpiece for the dark desires of the mob'. He stumbled onto his anti-semitism.
Went on a date with a girl who said she isnt a nazi but she "likes Hitler," citing his military victories, has read Mein Kampf twice and owns a "beautiful deluxe copy" or something, her dad named her childhood dog "adolf," etc. But she aint no Nazi, right? She also likes Trump and Putin... So weird amirite?
Brother, as a person who lived many years without AC, the bathtub/shower is your friend. I hate heat and when it got bad I would fill up the tub with a lukewarm bath before bed. Any time I woke up because of the heat I'd go sit in it for a few minutes. If it's not too humid, go back to bed still damp. Hang in there.
I'm someone who trained as a psychologist and also in some psychoanalytic places and some of petersons nonsense is *very* familiar as the sort of tripe that the latter come out with. It's like they have never read, or in Petersons case just cheerfully ignore, all the social psychology research on what drives prejudice, stereotypes, hatred etc and instead they're just like ahhhhh but what if it's all deeply symbolic?!!!! I once sat through an entire lecture on someone's pet theory that racism is caused by like . . . the developing foetuses and neonates experience, especially birth trauma and . . . poo? It was very wierd. Profoundly woo.
I study psych too and JP claims to be a personality psych no less, yet he's building in "high disgust response"- an emotion hardwired and adapted in all humans to prevent disease- as though it's a Big-5 personality trait that has major implications on cognition and interpersonal relations. He has absolutely no basis for doing this, and would probably be aware that the most likely explanation in accordance with current theory would be a severe lack of agreeableness, high neuroticism and likely a host of psychopathic traits (narcissism, machiavellianism and sadism). Not only is this hack a complete history revisionist, he can't even make up some reasonable sounding bullshit directly from his own 'field of expertise'.
I am certainly not a psychologist but I find his self proclaimed study of Hitler and other dictators increasingly suspicious given his own rhetoric. Like dude will talk about Hitler duhumanizing and scapegoating people, then turn around and call surgeons criminal butchers and blame everything that makes his followers unhappy or afraid on Marxists (or sometimes women if he's feeling chaotic) Must be hard to be a psychologist these days, especially if this sort of nonsense is common on top of... Well, everything.
This video is one of the best and most enlightening on JP's stance on Hitler. Unlike JP , you also back up your position with facts and literature, as JP tends to rely on the laziness of his followers regarding facts, he gets away with a lot of shall we say "misinformation". In answer to your question about JP being a Nazi, he's very combative and defensive when asked why he appeals to the ultra right in droves, which could be telling in itself. IMO, JP is more of an opportunist and a fraud, much like Donald Trump, riding the wave of intolerance and making plenty of money in the process. He's a capitalist and talks about that freely. He could very well be a Nazi but I think he knows if he went too far, he would lose some of his "moderate" support. Well done on the video, it must have been a lot of work. It was well presented. Now that JP seems to have recovered from his stint in rehab, I can't wait to see what lies in the future. My belief is the true JP will be revealed.
Troy Parfitt. He's a clown though. His examples of plagiarism are just Peterson using words like 'problem', then showing examples of Hitler using the same word.
Exactly they were not atheists, they believed in paganism, occult esotericism and it's symbolism. Petersen rants about Jung, so he should understand from Jung's book 'Man and his symbols' religious beliefs are supported by symbols and archetypes, and some of these blind belief systems supported their horrendous actions.
Most Nazis were Christians. It was the leaders of the SS who were pagans. But yeah, not atheists. Not that we atheists could not commit atrocities. We are still human, for good or ill.
They didn’t actually believe in the pagan Gods. if the SS were pagan, it was because it was in line with their racial theories, claiming to be a pure aryan while believing in a religion coming from the middle east wouldn't have made sense
So yes the Nazis were atheist, or at least agnostic, they have even done laws against the scientists who believe in the Big Bang theory like Einstein( the Big Bang theory contradicts the materialistic view of the Universe advocated by the atheist)
@@jymbo1969 Yep. Through popular culture the idea developed that the amount of paganism was high among Nazis, but they were mostly Christian. Though the paganism did tie into some of the Aryan master race nonsense, their number were always a minority and some of them were purged from the ranks after they were in power.
I think the reason Peterson doesn't address why Hitler was 'disgusted' by the Jews is simply because he agrees, yet can't/doesn't want to justify this belief. Interestingly, he never really condemns the disgust for Jews, it's just accepted as an inevitable predisposition. He even positions this revelation beside cleaning up factories and actual disease, seemingly to make Hitler's motives relatable and even noble. It would make far more sense to talk about Hitler's belief in the supremacy of the Aryan race and race purity, but this would make Hitler's ideology look bad, and he is careful to avoid that. I can't see any other reason for this than an attempt to validate Hitler's ideology and antisemitic ideas, this segment serves no other purpose.
In a way it does because Hitler used fear of communists to get support… other than that no. Edit: I read this wrong, I thought it just said communism. I wouldn’t be surprised if right wingers did blame it on communism though.
The best part is when her words get played back to her word for word and she goes into Pouty Face Mode… Candace would have most likely sold out the slaves on the Underground Railroad, to get to be the Auntie Stephen of the plantation
Jordan Peterson, you do not, in fact, gotta hand it to them
I really don't see how Hitler's whole "disgust" thing makes him any less of an anti-Semite. He viewed Jews as vectors for disease, and being a disease unto themselves. That's bigoted as fuck.
This is a bit random, but since you spoke about Luther; what books do you read to learn a more objective or critical outlook on Christian History? I've been trying find books, and I have found some; but it's hard to fish out the good books amongst the wide array of biased apologetic books. Lowkey you should make a short video recommending all the books you read.
@@Mrballerize I don't think bias can be completely eliminated, but try Karen Armstrong's "a history of God", read about the documentary hypothesis, Bart Ehrman's "Misquoting Jesus" - other names to look up are Maurice Casey and Paula Fredriksen for a start. Also check out the channel Religion for Breakfast
@@toxendon OK I've actually read Bart Erman's "Misquoting Jesus", and seen some of Religion for Breakfast's stuff. I'll go check out the other names you mentioned though, thanks.
Hitler was a racist
To be fair, Hitler did kill Hitler. Then again he also killed the guy who killed Hitler.
And the guy who killed the guy who killed Hitler.
Isn't that a Jimmy Carr joke?
In the end he was a great hero after all lololol. 100 bucks says Lobster boy would say something similar and actually mean it if trimp killed himself lol.
"Got em!"
Tbf, Stalin had to bully him into it.
As an artist and illustrator who has studied art history, yes, I can say that Hitler's art wasn't all that good. There's a reason why he was rejected from the Academy of Fine Arts in Vienna. His artwork is strictly representational, with the landscapes best being described as sterile and flat, often overshadowing any human figures in the image. He rendered humans with minimal detail, and blank expressionless faces, as you might expect from someone who cared so little for his fellow human beings. Hitler was good at mimicking the styles of the artists he studied, and drafting the images of existing architecture or scenery, but there was no originality or imagination to be found in his art. There is something to be said about how fascism cannot innovate, only appropriate what's already there.
He was a postcard-painter in Munich when he lived on the streets and i think that describes his "style" best.
He should've been an architect,it is very clear that H cared more about imposing building and structures than human interaction or nature
Hitler was mediocre at best, and attracted all the other mediocre men who wanted someone to blame for their mediocrity.
This reads like someone trying to hit the word count tbh
Hitler and the Nazis were effective at theater.
The rallies and speeches by Hitler obviously enraptured the people.
Nah, both you and JP are wrong. Hitler committed genocide because he was a Aries-Taurus.
Source: Trust me bro
No it was because of video games! He was playing mein Kraft!
Whoa whoa whoa, my crush has the exact same birthday so the same sign. Don't tell me he's genocidal too 😂
Me, born on April 20 👁👄👁
Aries-Taurean cusps are usually the best if both or the worst of both. Too bad for us that Hitler was the latter
@@HiBuddyyyyyyunderrated comment
I once had a US History teacher tell our class that Adolf Hitler was "by far one of the greatest statesmen of all time. and that we could thank him for getting the US out of the depression more than we could thank FDR." I was quizzical when he said it, and fortunately, I went home and brushed up on the facts. Sometimes the education we get in schools is garbage.
Well, at least some of us learned how tribalism can be turned into fascism without people realizing they're the fascists.
So now some of us can see that Peterson does remind us, in his own stupid and warped ways, that he is painting everyone left of the far right as marxists, butchers, criminals, sinners against god, and the enemies of freedom, god, and westersn society. So I guess we could thank Hitler for being and making one of the worst examples that just doesn't seem to stay away. It's just a bit pathetic that most of us learned nothing, making all those deaths count for nothing or worse. Great job Peterson! And you know what he says, if he's good at something we can't call him an idiot, even if that something is manipulation and feigning ignorance with deadly consequences. He is a stochastic terrorist and he knows and loves it.
I'm glad I never had a closeted nazi as a history teacher, that sounds like you would only be taught lies
my teacher basically said the same bullshit
Holy crap, I can’t conceive of a teacher saying this like wtf- I’m glad I had my teachers (even if economics was oversimplified to support capitalism at the expense of the scientific method)
Sounds like that teacher needs to be fired.
I live in Russia, so there's plenty of both covert and overt anti-semitism displayed by some prominent figures, especially our equivalent of "Dark Web Intellectuals" like Dugin, so that's not too crazy for me.
But what I've been truly shocked by is when my grandaunt was chastising my cousin for dating a Jewish girl, even though she wasn't even Jewish, the grandaunt just didn't like his gf. And then she was hating on the Ukranian president and called him "Jew-face". That kind of out-of-nowhere everyday racism and anti-semitism always catches me off-guard
Dugin be like: More land=more better country
"Out-of-nowhere everyday racism" is the fertile soil from which Nazism blossoms.
So are we nazis or do we have a jew as a president? Russians can't decide apparently
Not that she’s an intellectual but I’ll never get over Candace Owen saying Hitler wanted “to make Germany great” again
She isn't wrong there, Hitler ran on that platform. He promised the German people that they would be strong, united (of course, except you, you, you, and you - ya'll get to go to your death because you don't fit the perfect German mold. Honestly, I could see Hitler running on a "make Germany great again" platform, exactly so. Evil in humanity is insidious and ever so subtle to start.
lol 😆
You are so stupid for believing those lies and not going directly to Candence to see what she really said and what she really thinks.
im not even surprised if that is true. what a sad thing for me to say
When I was a kid that would have been a career killer.
Go look at Powell river of blood speech - it ended his political career and he was expelled from Tory party but I honestly believe of a cabinet minister said if today they wouldn’t even lose their portfolio
"Hitler cleaned his room"
-Jordan Peterson, Canadian icon
And what are u?
A m0r0nic no body who thinks h's fighting the good fight
As a Canadian... The US touched him last, no taksies backsies!
@@NyxyPixie that explains why Beiber hasn't left yet
Omg lol. Thank you.
As a Canadian with half my family in Alberta and half in Qc. I'm surrounded by nationalists/separatists and extreme social conservatives on both sides. They LOVE Peterson and have T university/previously Ryerson for "firing him for not using pronouns". They also think Barbara Streisand shouldn't be allowed to sign Xmas songs so..... when I say he supports nazism .....it doesn't move them.
They also deny our genocide tho....
Anyways- thanks Kavernacle and others for helping me to survive my family events clinging to my facts
"I am a filthy liar." - L D, idiot.
if someone runs you around in circles,tosses you a word salad then forces you to agree,then run away from that conversation because it's only designed to benefit the person who is saying it to you.
If you javen't already, go check, the alt right playbook by Innuendos Studios.
So… I just want to mention that in the US, I was taught in several classes that Hitler saved the German economy. The only pushback I ever saw on that concept came from my German teacher, ironically. It was in our textbooks and curriculum that Hitler was some kind of economic genius, and that’s why the German public went along with his rhetoric. I know better now, because I decided to go out on my own and learn about the world. I encourage everyone to follow suit. I don’t care if you were educated in the US, the UK, or China. You weren’t educated, you were indoctrinated, and they left out all of the parts that may have unsettled that indoctrination.
Same. I'm from India and they taught the same thing. They didn't even mention Gitas influence over Hitler to save their face.
I was wondering if you have recommendations for resources to look into when learning on your own?
I’m only learning now that he wasn’t really capable of fixing the German economy. Considering what I understand of his incompetence during the war this makes more sense as to what really happens in comparison to what people get told. So in other words he stole stuff from people to reorganize wealth but didn’t really innovate the economy at all. And, his culling of people always seemed to me like something that would hinder economic progress and hinder the German war effort just instinctively without needing to be told that much.
I studied economics, so I was able to cure myself of that belief rather easily once I found out that fascism is centralization of the economy through the state where they dictate what industry should produce and do. Central planning never works
I think this is done because the West does not want to admit a large reason for his rise was most of the west thought they would be eventually fighting on Germany's side against Russia.
I'm of Polish descent on my dad's side, and I was born with both autism and hip dysplasia. I'd very much be considered an "Untermensch" in Hitler's eyes....the fact that people still fall and praise for Hitler's rhetoric says a lot about society. Especially about the state of conservatives today
I'm on the spectrum myself, what exactly is hip dysplasia?
@@anthonyhenriques7654 It's when your pelvic sockets don't fit your femur, leaving the joint free-floating. It's really common in overbred dogs.
@@Samuel_Morchin man that sounds awful
We were just like cattle to them.
@@Samuel_Morchin that's a crazy comparison
Another vitally important point about the "Table Talk" book is that it was written by Martin Bormann, a devout Nazi who was essentially Hitler's chief of staff (I think the official title was "chief secretary" but he was essentially running Hitler's personal bureaucracy). This was why he had such access to Hitler's after dinner conversations; he was literally sitting at the table!
This is crucial from a historical point of view since Bormann wasn't some random individual who happened to be close by when Hitler was speaking off the cuff. He was a true believer in Nazism and actively sought to portray his furher in the best possible light. The book is explicit Nazi propaganda!
This doesn't mean the book doesn't have value from a historical perspective (assuming you can get past the translation issues). But as piece of deliberate propaganda it must be approached carefully with the knowledge that THIS IS HOW THE NAZIS WANTED TO PORTRAY THEMSELVES TO THE WORLD.
You NEVER take something like that a face value.
Didn´t Peterson even say that the book was great in this very video?
Peterson: "Hitler wasn't stupid."
Hitler: *Gets Germany completely destroyed*
Literally completely destroyed, like there was barely a Germany Left
Such nuance
A smart person tends not to absolutly burn once own homeland to the ground by declaring war on the entier world
Don't invade Russia. It never works out for wannabe emperors
@@SwedishDrunkard5963he thought he'd win
Not a public figure, but I think the weirdest take on Hitler I ever heard was from the Tibetian Medicine teacher in the Buddhist convent I stayed in for a few months. He told me that the reason WWII happened was because Hitler wanted to convert Germany to Hinduism which... I can understand how he got there knowing nothing about nazism except that they used the swastika but still made me choke on my yak butter tea.
There was actually a woman called Savitri Devi. A french-greek who visited India and converted to hinduism, and who believed that Hitler was the Kalki avatar and will return again one day...
You'll be surprised by how many people who follow dharmic religions believe that
@@sukhdeepbutty2399 I assumed it was just WWII is not really taught in the areas I was in, so they built their assumptions around the little bits they did see. Which is reasonable, it's not a huge part of their history in the way it is the UK's for example.
Tibet had ties to Nazis during WW2, in 39 Shäfer went to Lhasa and met with various nobles/ministers. The Reting Ripoche (the dude who selects the next Lama) met with him personally several times and even asked if Germany would sell arms to Tibet.
@@camillagilmore1547 thats a weird assumption to make lol. Considering you're literally stomping around the former empire
Esoterics tried to connect to birthplace of aryans to these mystical fair skinned north indian peoples, just like loads of conservative white americans try and coopt indigenous identities here
In india they lapped up the idea that hitler was a fan of their race because it put them on a higher social level than other asians blacks and carribeans in the international colonial system.
Hitler in Mein Kampf: "Our movement is a firmly Christian movement."
JBP: "Hmm, the Nazis were atheists!"
GG. Judging by your comment, you believe what Hitler wrote in there. lol.
@@hwolfe2035 Uuumm...why wouldn't he believe it? Fashos usually lie about what they truly believe, sure, but in that book, ol' "uncle Dolf" laid it all down without any kind of filter...it contains all of his hatred, bile and bi**try, pure and unadulterated. So if he didn't bother to hide the worst he had to offer..basically the things that led to the "H-word"...why would he lie about something so trivial?
Hitler also said he was a socialist though, and we reject that.
I think he shut down Catholic Churches and changed stuff about Christianity to fit with Nazi race stuff so I think that’s probably why people think he was an atheist. But people changing religion to fit their ideas isn’t exactly new to Christianity.
@@HiBuddyyyyyy - He arrested thousands of nuns and priests and put them in the camps, too. There is a very good case for H being an atheist, as most historians believe, and as most tyrants throughout modern history, from Stalin to Mao Zedong, have been.
When I was in my late teens, early twenties, I made a very good friend online. We talked for hours on end daily, read each other’s texts as we were budding writers, encouraged each one, and even co-wrote a story.
She was a very important person in my life. I knew she had a fascination with Vikings and Medieval lore but never thought it was anything other than this.
The one day she tells me that Hitler was not entirely bad: he sponsored the opera and under him classical music flourished.
I did not know what to say. I thought it was a joke and since our interaction was online, it was not entirely clear. She kept going on about it and then it me…she was dead serious.
All of a sudden, much of her racist drivel that I had dismissed, became obvious in intent.
As a very lonely person, who struggled to make relationships of any kind, this was quite a blow to me. But I had to accept the facts about her and, worse, about me.
Because some of her racism had rubbed off on me without why even noticing it at the time. She told me black people could not sing opera. I believed her until my singing instructor pointed me to a wonderful black soprano. She had told me tall tales of defending poor white students at her school from gangs of black kids and I now questioned how true this was.
At the end, I had to drop the friendship. There was simply no other option.
Dude. You were probably also being catfished by a massive hulking neonazi covered in SS tattoos. If this relationship was purely online then that's a solid possibility I'm afraid.
> At the end, I had to drop the friendship. There was simply no other option.
Sad story, but you did the right thing. I've been in similar situations myself.
@@brindlekintalesTo this day, I am baffled at “Hitler sponsored the opera” as an argument. Even if true, it wouldn’t matter. If I hadn’t been so baffled, I would have pointed out that Hitler got rid of many brilliant Jewish musicians, thus doing harm to music…on top of everything else! Many of the top performers of classical music were of Jewish descent, their murder impoverished the music scene.
@@Nocturnalux I couldn''t agree more, thank you. Those who play up perceived goodness in Hitler are bullies in sheep's clothing. Or just REALLY stupid...the price we pay for not provided a decent education for all our citizens, not just the affluent.
You upheld your morals, that, as small as it seems, is very noble.
I cannot get over the fact that so many historical figures were blazingly antisemitic and it was never mentioned when we covered them in school. This blind spot makes me doubt everything.
Christians have a deeply ingrained "It was the way of the times" mentality. Just look at the Bible. Personally, I have a hard time believing that a god would would drown a whole planet and sent bears to maul children for teasing a bald guy would just shrug and say "Welp, it's immoral, but thats just how things are these days."
It makes sense in some places, I never leant in school because Jewish people are 0.2% of my population, so outside of nazism we don't talk about them a lot but it seems pretty weird when it's the US.
yeah, even karl marx hated jews. which shows that most historical figures would be considered shitty by modern standards.
Yeah, it only makes sense when you find how rampant and normalized antisemitism was until really recently.
True, learned about Luther and the reformation, and Henry Ford and the production line, about not about their outspoken anti-Semitism.
The weirdest hitler praise ive ever heard was "Hitler was a military genius he had the right idea he just got greedy" this from my dad when i was growing up.
That's not weird, that's just straight up nazi talk.
Oh, did he give Candie Owens the idea?
Hitler could have been anything BUT military genius, idiot launched an invasion to communist russia ruled by a madman and then, probably on the same year since Pearl Harbor happened in 1941 declared war on United States.
Like yea, US supplied UK but there weren't american boots overthrowing Mussolini, assisting british forces in north africa and launching D-Day
well his stomach told him, that Kursk would be a mistake: some of his generals told him to attack. Göring promised, he could provide the soldiers in Stalingrad, so Hitler didnt order the soldiers back. The battle of Moscow was unlucky, because the winter came early and Görings promise to provide goods far east destroyed Hitlers sucess. And yeah, Hitler approved to attack with tanks in formations against France threw Belgium: bold and smart move. Not trusting the Danemarks and Norway was a good move as well: these attacks saved Germanys needed iron. With new chancelors like Schröder/Merkel/Scholz Germany would be taken fast, because they only care about re-election and have zero ambition. Dont get me wrong; Hitler was a monster and may he rot, but modern German Chancellors wouldnt even defeat Poland today.
That’s a very common phrase.
The weird thing is how Jordan is also obsessed with cleaning
He is projecting again
Oh no
He's certainly a control freak.
'Clean your country, bucko!'
My takeaway from cleaning your room is that once done, you feel better and can work on other things. Thing is, that's not ground breaking at all, and it still might not help tackle your other problems. It's self help nonsense.
I've always said to anyone who attempts to say Hitler was a economic or tactical genius is you have to bear in mind he failed to get into art college. TWICE!
Kay can we please get a neutral outlook of Hitler besides the whole genociding
I remember a little learned about the German economy in wwii that they stole wealth in this video th-cam.com/video/APtShvAKfSE/w-d-xo.html
@@siphomnisi3842 Sorry, but its one of the biggest parts of discussing the guy. Why are you so concerned with a neutral outlook on HITLER of all people? Its like talking about the American Civil War, no matter how you slice it, cook it, turn it around, rearrange it, frame it, analyze it, study it, debate about it, it all comes back around to the core component of slavery, thats what the war was fought over whether people like it or not. Likewise, with Hitler, it all comes back down to aryanism and genocide, no matter how you slice it.
Thats not really a good answer, considering thst he actually was bad at military tactics and propped up the exonomy with smoke and mirrors. Autobahn wasnt his idea either.
@@siphomnisi3842 Sure. Right, he was a genocidal maniac tyrannical dictator. That's the neutral statement.
If someone is evil you don't need to hold water for them to have a neutral take.
Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug
"You have to hand it to Hitler, he was an organisational genius."
No, he wasn't.
He was well known to sleep until midday everyday, and would not be pleased were he to be woken early.
A tendency that backfired many times, not the least of which was a complete paralyzing the German response to the June 6 landings in Normandy.
He also did very little organisation himself.
He would essentially spitball an idea or policy, and then leave it up to underlings to figure out how to get it done ... all while conducting internecine bickering.
Had there not been underlings who were actually effective at organising things, it is probable that the Nazis would have got very little done (so we should be unhappy the there were any 'organisation genius' in the Nazi hierarchy).
Neither are traits of an organisational genius.
Hitler was a talented artist.
No he wasn't.
He was rejected entrance to art school, twice, because he was singularly lacking in imagination and motivation, according to the examining body.
One of them suggested Architecture, however he would have to go back to secondary school if that was something he wanted to pursue (he had dropped out, and didn't want to return).
Essentially Hitler got a decent inheritance, moved to Vienna in the hopes of becoming an artist, failed, blew the inheritance, and bummed around until WW1 kicked off.
And then he got swept up in the enthusiasm and joined up (like so many other young men did all over the world).
With regards to him being charismatic.
Most people that ever met Hitler individually, reported that he wasn't anything special.
What they universally say, is that he was a good public speaker, and that is what attracted them to him.
Despite his personality flaws (many of his fellow soldiers thought that he was a bit odd), he did do fairly well in the Army.
He was awarded a medal (I think a couple) for bravery, in fact he was in a fairly dangerous job as a message runner, and was promoted to Corporal.
Hitler was denied further promotion, as he lacked interpersonal skills and leadership ability.
He was kept on in the Army after the war for a time, with the job of infiltrating political organisations and reporting intelligence back to his superiors, which is how he first came into contact with what would become the Nazis.
JP needs to get his head out of his a** and read some books.
And not just the few that reinforce his own view of the world.
How anyone thinks that he is smart and well read, is beyond me.
You could maybe say with extreme qualification that Peterson is a talented hyperbolist.
Holy fuck, with all the localizations and time considered, this looks a lot like Brazil's fucker at power now. Minus the discourse ability, not even this the fucker has, he just has sons who know how to meddle with social media. It's scary how this describes a lot another fascist as well
💯
Hitler filled a power vaccum. But he was democratically elected to one of the richest countries in the world. Germany also managed to invade the majority of Europe in a relatively short space of time.
The other thing about Hitler's organization skills is that he never established a clear chain of command for his generals. He often gave vague, unclear orders and would play his general against each other in order for them to prove their loyalty. The latter is a feature of dictatorships because all dictators fear their generals becoming too powerful and overthrowing them. Obviously, this proved a bad way to fight a war.
random story about this outlook: My grandfather definitely had the Hitler-as-an-economic-genius misperception, and he literally was antiracist, embraced me fully and immediately as his gay trans grandson, refused to sign a statement saying he wasn't a communist during McCarthyism to keep his professor job (because he stood in solidarity with communist coworkers, not because he was just offended, lol), did some codebreaking for the US military during WWII (as a mathematical logician, not someone who was enlisted prior).
My impression, especially from what he said about other people his age and their views of the Third Reich, is that for a lot of the Americans who lived contemporary to the Nazis, this was a weird bit of American propaganda that burrowed itself into even very anti-Nazi people. I don't know whether this was spread was to make the Nazis look like a worthy adversary instead of the bumblers and snakes that they were, or to deal with the cognitive dissonance about how Normal People could allow someone like Hitler to take over. But he definitely thought Hitler was an evil person who was in power partially because of the *miracles* he worked for the German economy. I wish he was still alive to ask about this.
...my grandfather, not Hitler.
Also, Jordan Peterson, who claims to read the lit about this that has been gathered for like 80 years, does not have an excuse.
Hi. My Grandfather was a Nazi & my Mom's side of the family is from Bavaria. They all say that the German people did benefit greatly from Hitler's economy, and his push to improve infrastructure kept him in power and solicited converts. My grandfather was trained and placed in a high paying job through the DAF, until he was sent to the Russian Front, put in a Siberian POW camp, released to walk back to Germany and then hung himself in the woods (the ideology died with him). My Gr Uncle was NOT a Nazi in his politics, but joined the party because he was an educator and had to join to keep working. He hated Hitler, especially after the war. but he conceded that he did wonders for the economy at the time. I'm certainly not a economist, and I cannot say that it is ultimately true, I just wanted to share what my family said about it. The sentiment was: he pulled Germany out of a depression, brought pride and jobs back, gave power back to the worker, and that was enough to accept his leadership.
"I'm certainly not a economist, and I cannot say that it is ultimately true"
Good because it isn't. The German economy under Hitler was a lot like the US economy now - a lot of "I scratch your back, you scratch mine" between corporate elites, the military industrial complex, and the government; and looting other countries. It was crony capitalism on steroids.
@@TheDarthbinky I just thought the perception of the German people might be a bit relevant to the conversation, and that was their recollection.
Rose-tinted glasses are a powerful thing.
Its always troubling when people with degrees in certain fields start thinking they're good in every other field. Especially history. 'I can fly a plane so that means I understand politics' is a common mindset. When in fact you can be the very best pilot and still suck at human relations.
You don't need a degree to understan history or most subjects for a matter of fact all you need it good research form legitimate sources
The only thing bothering me more, is people with degrees who do not understand their own fields, how about that? It's that you need a degree to know about a subject. To know about a subject you do research, wether you have a degree not. Lots of people with degrees are batshit crazy just like Peterson.
@@RoyalRegimentofScotland Hmmm. Not really. You might not need an actual degree, but just reading sources isn’t enough without trained critical thinking. I used to think this too until I went to medical school and realized just how much time, effort, and energy it takes to become an expert in something. And to genuinely understand it. A lot of people have surface level understandings of things and assume they know enough to argue. No matter how many textbooks a random person reads, or legitimate sources. They could never confidently carry out brain surgery without practice and years of training. Basically everyone agrees with this. And yet you see people who read 1-2 historical books or articles feeling akin to a history PhD. It just doesn’t add up. I own up to my ignorance, and I’m pretty well read. The more up I read, the more I am humbled.
Closeted Nazi no doubt. It’s more common than we think.
Germany in the early 1900's was one of the most progressive countries in Europe. Nazi's admired American Eugenicists and they had many supporters in USA. These people didn't disappear. All it takes is a generation of economic hardship and propaganda to bring the murderers out of the woodwork.
He most certainly has the hate and the dehumanisation mastered already, so...
thought he was super sus
Far more common, sad to say.
He describes Hitler's genocide as some sort of 'clean-up' fairy tale, it's sickening.
Hardly, he has described that period of history time and time again, drawing parallels to Hitler's perception of the Jews as vermin. You're clearly perplexed by him as an individual and that's fine but don't unreasonably make him out as a Nazi lover just to suit your caricature of him.
@@KayJayFusion perplexity doesn't equal profundity. You'll learn that at some point. And Jordan Peterson sold out to the Daily Wire to become a caricature of himself. Up yours, woke moralist!
@@KayJayFusion While the reason Jordy has of weaving this BLATANTLY FALSE narrative of history can de debated (and you, his stans, will always give him the most kind interpretation), what can't ever be debated is that what he's saying is...as I've mentioned just now, BLATANTLY FALSE!!!! Hitler was never concerned (much less obssessed) with cleanliness. He never actually gave a toss about actual vermin, like rats and cockroaches, and there is 0 evidence that he ever began a campaign of hygiene thoughout the Reich. In fact, the hospitals in Germany at the time were pretty unsanitary...even for the standards of the time. And Zykon B was never used for its intial intended purpose, as an insecticide (not on a large scale, anyway), it was always used...the way we all know it was used. He did indeed sometimes refer to the targets (and future victims) of the "H-word" by that horrible noun, but it was purely because of total disdain and bi**try, cause he considered them "sub-human", not because he somehow worked his way up to them by starting from animal pests...that, again, NEVER HAPPENED.
So, even if you don't want to believe he's trying to exculpate said regime (and the guy in front of it)...Jordan B. Peterson shoud still get laughed out of every room he sets foot in, just for saying something this hilariously DUM!!!!
@@ksvbvssf394 It's unfortunate that when you ever try to argue a single point for Peterson people like yourself assume I'm in love with the guy. Truth is, I'm not very enamoured by him either, I just think you're being disingenuous. But if you want to be a patronising prick and assume I'm your enemy then feel free, you won't get very far in life with that attitude however.
@@madsgrams2069 You're not making sense. Even IF it wasn't true, the contention that Hitler viewed Jews as vermin doesn't support his regime, to the contrary, it shows how deluded and monstrous he truly was. In what way is Peterson sympathising?
The more I hear from / about Peterson, the more perplexed I am that anyone 1. Took him seriously 2. Still takes him seriously.
The Altright has been growing in power since around 2009 or so. A lot of lunatic fringers has been able to tap into the large swathes of angry, bitter outdated people who fear the way civilization has been heading.
Look at Alex Jones.
1. He wasn't as open about his more controversial beliefs before and had more civil style of engagement. 2. Sunk cost fallacy
1. He has "doctor" by his name, so he's perfect for appeals to authority.
First heard of him from a ted talk about 6 years ago. It was when I decided that ted talks are a joke lol.
1. The command and conqer memes featuring jpederton are hilarious
2. So are the crash bandicoot ones
Idk, I have OCD and I’ve never committed a genocide. I don’t think that was it
“I have studied Jeffery Dahmer A LOT and there are things you can’t say about him. You can’t say that he was a untalented craftsman… (god I am so smart and nuanced)”
Why does it seem like JP is describing himself when he talks about how Hitler was supposedly obsessed with order and sensitive to feelings of disgust?
Yeah his rants against the things he hates (leftism, "Cultural Marxism", trans people, ...) are very transparently motivated by pure disgust. Nothing rational about them.
The weirdest thing I've heard about Hitler was my dad calling me worse then Hitler because I told him I was going to transition.
Because the Nazis treated gay and trans people so well, certainly didn't throw them into camps and force them to wear pink triangles, and totally didn't burn down the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft and all its research.
@@FrozEnbyWolf150 yeah, they were actually treated extremely well, because the Nazis were socialists!!!1! /s
On today's episode of the Twilight zone:
Transition actually is blood magic which requires the souls of exactly 6 million and one jews to be sacrificed. Hitler was you all along.
damn
That's so sad I hope your doing alright
I've heard people say that he was a great man because of his veganism and respect for animals, which is like "what about the humans he called animals?" I've also heard people take the human testing done in concentration camps as being a massive upside to scientific knowledge, but it barely contributed anything. Especially because most documents were destroyed in fire, war, just lost, intentionally destroyed, etc
I'm not sure if I'd describe JP as a 'closet Nazi' (despite his dog whistles, such as about the 'fourth reich'). However, his obsession with hierarchies and their 'naturalness' (also displayed in his queerphobia, misogyny and racism), his concern with preserving 'western culture' and, as you describe in this video, his Nazi apologism/rabid anti-communism make him an open fascist in my book.
While I don't think being a successful academic makes you necessary super clever, it's hard to believe someone in his position would misunderstand historical and scientific data the way he does. He has power and a platform and uses it to normalise fascist rhetoric. I feel that since his recovery, he's gone completely mask off.
Tbh I do agree to an extent Western culture needs to be preserved because at the moment its being over run
Kinda a distinction without a difference
"Hitler was obsessed with order and cleanliness"
No wonder you love the guy, Lobster boy : )
Just spend one of my yearly trips to Berlin and every time I’m there I’m blown away that anyone can fall for the lure of nazism and Hitler. If people are going to Berlin you should go see the Hitler Bunker Museum. The curator there presents an amazing deep dive into “Becoming Hitler”. One of the things I noticed was the rapid downfall of nazism when Hitler tried to merge the Lutheran church into a state church. The church was fine about it as it would mean more missionary successes. People just didn’t dig it. They got fed up with Hitler at that point. I personally never thought Hitler was an atheist because of his thrive to become god.
Off topic: I was curious if your 'Fries' referred to potatoes or geology. You live on a beautiful island. I've been to Terschelling, the Netherlands, and wouldn't mind living on one of the Wadden islands.
Okay how did he want to become god? He at most wanted a empire and rule it, but claiming he wanted to be god goes too far
@@anomalocaris2593He didn't want an empire, he wanted control over who was even allowed to exist in the entire world. That's a god complex chief.
Hmm do you look around in usa? Ur shifting to the right racism,homophobic country, u hate so much as in nazi germany.
@@drippeeboye607 Or Eugenics, the ideology that was also popular in the states.
In one of the 42 videos Cass Eris made on Jordan Peterson's terrible red flags throughout "12 rules for life", she noted his list of psychoanalyst role models, which included the obvious Freud, Jung, & Lacan, but a mysterious name unknown to modern psychology received the most reverence from JP, who Cass looked into to discover that this guy was the "leader of Nazi psychoanalysis", and complicit in genocidal atrocities.
His scientific merit is as poor as Peterson's being an often discredited charlatan + a Nazi, much like JP.
Also, I know of at least 2 other videos of JP trying to persuade his audience that Hitler was the good guy.
She is great, and cats the cats help a lot getting through.
Ooh, which video in the series is that one? I started watching them but they can be quite exhausting in terms of how much content there is.
What was the guy’s name?
Link one shred of evidence that JP tried to say that Hitler was a good guy.
Yeah I'm sure JP took the job at the Daily Wire so he could end Shapiro. Jesus Christ the world has gone crazy
The scary part of watching this is that I had no idea that Martin Luther had such anti-semitic views. I learned about him in my 10th grade World History class, but just the courageous part of his going against the Roman Catholic church.
Truth is antisemitic
Literally bro. It made my brain fart
I remember coming across Jordan Peterson in the late 2010s. Initially I thought he was interesting. I was a young activist and really hungry for information. I remember there was a video of a lecture he did on Hitler and he said the exact same things mentioned in this video. I immediately cut the video off and forgot that he ever existed. It's actually horrifying to see how people glaze over the fact that Jordan Peterson literally infantilizes Hitler as some person who had OCD and unfortunately Jewish people were his target. I personally think that Jordan thinks that Hitler was a genius and admires him. He doesn't see the genocide of millions as a hard stop, it's merely a flaw to him. Thank you for this video, hopefully the algorithm gods won't bury it.
OMFG 31:00 Jordan is perfectly describing trump and then he says "you see that with Antifa". No Jordan, we see that with trump and his base, in spades. What a ridiculous clown.
No I see that with Antifa
@@nunya2076 your delusions not withstanding, he’s describing Trump and the idiots who support him
@@nunya2076 well then you're just wrong.
care to elaborate on that ?
@@nunya2076 The term "Antifa" doesn't describe a specific organization (unlike the Oathkeepers or Propd Boys on the right), but is a loose term describing those who are opposed to right wing movements generally. It is more of a concept than an actual group.
Jordan needs to be bullied for the rest of this life by those who perform the anti human sociopathic behaviors he champions.
14:34 It might be of interest to you to also know that the word “privatisation” is originally of German coinage during Nazi Germany. I read an article a long time ago on Jacobin, that when British economists where following developments in Nazi Germany it was a phenomenon that had gained traction in Nazi Germany, with state entities sold to private interests and the German economists already had a word for it which had no English equivalent, thus began the circulation of the word “privatisation” in English vocabulary.
Thats a word from the Economist, talking about the banks being sold to the State. Its already debunked, privatization is a myth.
And Peterson just joined the Daily Wire with Ben Shapiro! You can’t make this sh-t up! 😂
Ben Shapiro doesn’t realize that the movement he supports would put him in an oven as soon as he was no longer considered a useful tool
@@gregbors8364 Ben Shapiro is a Zionist he doesn't care Zionist collaborated with Nazis always have always will Ben Shapiro himself is an anti-semite.
That's stone cold 🔥
@@gregbors8364 along with Candace Owens, Dave Rubin and the rest
@@CCJJ160Channels Yep
Did Hitler do some impressive things? Did he have a positive impact for some pockets of people? Was he technically a painter? IDK Maybe but that's like saying Hannibal Lecter is a good cook.
Hey, I had Lecters cooking. It tasted great. I don’t care if it’s human meat
@@greyideasthetheliopurodon4640 This guy cannibles
@@TimeNap fair
I also feel like I need to point out: anyone who pulls out of the Treaty of Versailles is going to look like they've "done wonders" for the economy, but it's not like Hitler came up with that idea. It was pretty clear to many Germans at the time that many of their financial issues were caused by the heavy sanctions.
But most of the Treaty wasn't really enforced strongly.?
The treaty was a talking point like crt, cancel culture or the "Trans groomer myth"
Getting out of the Versailles Treaty wasn't the only reason for why the economy grew. They also started printing new currency
@@DarthFlauschi Complete conjecture. The reparations from the treaty did absolutely cause issues.
@@Ho-mb2wb I didn't mean to suggest that it was the only reason, rather that along with the global economic growth and other factors, pulling out of the treaty played a role. That's something that Hitler often gets credit for, but it's not like he had this brainwave that no one else considered.
Also that pulling out of the treaty was a performative way of associating Hitler with the economic growth of the time.
Funny enough as a kid and young teen I thought Hitler had a good goal in mind.
When I heard "Master Race" my brain thought like
"Literally genetically superior" like- a race of supermen. Not just dumbasses thinking they were superior.
I really hope everyone who heard me talk about this forgot it long ago
They didn’t. Unless you kept in contact they’ll remember you as that weird nazi kid
I’ve known people like that. I have no idea where they are now but my last memory of one of them was a passionate defense of nazism. I stopped mid sentence and walked away from him. He shouted I lost because I supposedly couldn’t respond to his stupidity.
Oh fuck Im so glad I was never THAT far into it.
At least it wasnt a super passionate thing for me.
@@ahouyearno I have had somewhat similar experiences with kilgor
And also the same fears
So uh thanks for confirming our paranoia I guess
Hey you live and learn
The Nazis did draw inspiration from Jefferson, Jackson and the Manifest Destiny. Lebensraum is the Nazi Manifest Destiny. As the Manifest Destiny (a white nationalist manifest) called for the extermination of the indigenous people and expand West, Lebensraum calls for the extermination of the Slavs and expansion East. Of course, there was also the Germanification of Europe. Dutch people, for example, don't need to be exterminated. They just need to become Germans.
The Soviets killed the Nazis but America got all the credit then America took in the Nazis and gave them high position in the American government
I urge you to find an article from The Star in Canada by a former friend and former colleague of Jordan Peterson, with whom Peterson long severed ties and, it would appear, the friend also hosted Peterson’s family at his home for a month or more while Peterson was having problems (the nature of which escapes me now because it’s been years since I read that piece), but it was educational on the kind of man Peterson is.
Per this friend, who’s daughter is Trans, Peterson regularly confided in him his admiration of authoritarian leaders, including Hitler, but more specifically their ability to sway crowds - though, I would argue, the appropriate language is “mobs”. For a long time, according to this former friend, Peterson tried to educate himself on their speaking habits and the valuable things he could adopt from them into his persona. Peterson also told this friend, “jokingly”, that he had ambitions to start a church. The friend later saw he may have been serious.
The man did say, something I wholeheartedly believe, that Jordan Peterson is dangerous and he regrets not seeing it earlier.
There's a 1970s news article about a 14 year old Peterson you should check online. He was the youngest member of the NDP party in Canada. A socialist party?. Apparently he stated in the article that he wanted nothing less than being prime minister of Canada some day. There is a photo of him posing confidently yet creepily geeky for the camera. It struck me that he looked a bit like the clone young Hitlers in that film "The Boys from Brazil". Demagogue in the making.
That guy your talking is absolutely spot on about JP. Read the coda section of 12 rules. He goes full messianic with the cod biblical language he uses. It ends with " What shall I do when the great crowd beckons?, stand tall and utter my broken truths." This is the last line of the book. A psychologist with a messianic complex seems to be the only conclusion you could draw from it.
You have to remember that JP makes his _dietary decisions_ based on ideology. Of course he can't do accurate historical research and instead just regurgitates ideological narratives - _he can barely do research in the first place._
I honestly think that some of his current emotional dysregulation is due to being malnourished. As a psychologist you’d think he’d be aware of that danger, given that emotional dysregulation is an extremely common result of eating disorders. The crying especially is a big sign to me. When I was very sick with my eating disorder, my moods were so unstable and I would cry at nothing. Some of my most embarrassing moments are when I would get overwhelmed and cry in public and I still cringe when I think of it. He needs to get help and eat some fruits and vegetables, too.
@@anna-lisalysell5077 right? Forget "Clean your room".
Eat your fruits and veggies, Jordy!
@@anna-lisalysell5077 I refer you to my comment about how he can barely do research in the first place.
You'd _think_ a psychologist would be aware of scientific research on the connections between diet and mental health, but... that'd involve him researching what data and data analyses have already been dug up/run on the topic - and as we all know ad hoc evo-psych rationalisations tell us that humans evolved on a barely subsistence level diet and therefore peak alpha male Western Judeo-Christian values (the only true benchmark of mental health!) are achieved only through periodic fasting and steak. Just like Jesus taught, probably!
@@Zahaqiel isnt he on some sort of carnivore, or carnivore based diet? kinda hard to do much research on that, as there really hasnt been research done on it.
@@vanguard6937 There's been plenty of research done on excessive consumption of meat and its effects on the body.
non westerner here. many people in Asia think we should listen to what Hitler has to say and forget about the politics. they dont even know about the genocide because it was not taught.
The West listened to Chiang Kai-shek. Even Steven.
I think its because it didnt "effect" Asia in any real way
who has context for a genocide happening in Europe when you live in Asia on the other side of the world .... still not ideal considering it will probably happen over and over in human history
What things Hitler said should supposedly be listened to? The genocide (incl. racism and eugenics stuff) was pretty much the core of his ideology. What's left, once you strip that away, but unconnected bits and pieces?!
@@gagaplex Most of Hitler's ideas are basic conservative stuff. Banning homosexuality and abortion. Corporal punishment at home and in school. Women's place is in the home.
Even if genocide, racism and eugenics were his core ideology, it wasn't something played up to the German population.
The United States government kept the Tuskegee syphilis experiment on the down low. Even IF the white American population had been onboard with it, it's not something they could outwardly support.
When they start with “Hitler was a bad guy.....buuuuuut” 👀P.S. I’m ex Yugoslavian, so hearing you mention Tito was dope.
There's a really amazing satiric film about thr history and thr breakup, called 'Underground'. Have you seen it?
I live in northeastern Ohio, a US state... we have thr highest concentration of Croatian immigrants in the country, from thr late unpleasantness.
Tito was a legend! ✊❤
By the end of this I was expecting him to tell me how Hitler threw himself onto a landmine to save the regimental dog at the Battle of Verdun.
Is that a reference to The Rise of Evil movie?
Hitler writes briefly about his war experience in Mein Kampf. If we were to take him at his word, then he was likely the most starry-eyed, super-patriotic, insufferable little tit.
I am not aware of any memoirs by his fellow soldiers, but I would not be surprised if he was utterly loathed by anyone who had to share a trench with him for more than five minutes.
@@paulsillanpaa8268 Much of what he says about himself in MK is untrue. The book, Becoming Hitler by Thomas Weber sets the record straight.
@@MrTravelWriter Oh, I'm sure it was all self-serving. I'm just saying that it wasn't the flex he thought it was. Reading MK, I imagine that having to share a trench with this "idealized" version of him would have put me in the mood for some fratricide!
Thanks for the book rec, though!
@@paulsillanpaa8268 Yeah, Becoming Hitler talks about how he was all about his war buddies, but his war buddies thought he was an oddball. One called out his lies in Mein Kampf re his WWI service, and Hitler sued him. Another chastised Hitler privately for making himself look heroic, when really he had just been a common dispatch runner. Another good book for gaining insight into Hitler's everyday awfulness is Hitler Speaks by Hermann Rauschning. Rauschning describes how other Nazis sometimes hated meeting with Hitler, because of his conniptions and theatrics. One said he always got the feeling Hitler wanted to strangle him. Rauschning concluded that Hitler was mad, and published his book in 1939 as a warning after fleeing to America, but people didn't believe what he had written to be true. I think Rauschning was honest and extremely observant, but people didn't listen and he was only vindicated during the war when the OSS used his observations to help create a psychological profile of Hitler. I can kind of relate to Rauschning, because I've written a book arguing that Peterson is a Nazi, but people dismiss it as being false without ever bothering to read it. One guy told me my claims were nonsense, because he'd Googled whether Peterson was a Nazi and there was no positive response. I'm curious to know what The Kavernacle thinks. He asks his viewers what they think, but I'm wondering if he thinks Peterson could be a Nazi. Or perhaps this designation is out of the realm of possibility, as it seems to be for so many others? Not sure.
I mean... if it walks like a closet Nazi and quacks like a closet Nazi...
Goddamn--this is an excellent video. Thank you, Kav, for deconstructing JP's bullshit. I have long viewed him as fash-curious, if not quasi-fascist. He constantly symphathizes with the Nazi perspective and (willfully?) misunderstands history to excuse some of the worst crimes ever committed. His worldview is much darker than most people realize.
People have been calling Putin's right wing movement to destroy democracy "conservative" since the beginning, as if they are just a normal political party with a different point of view. Their actions make it clear who they are, which is why the suggestion of "discussion" or "debate" with these people is preposterous. Everything they say is a lie, and the façade is necessary because they can't say "we want to take power by any means including elections so we can either kill or enslave you and rule with an iron fist to get revenge for how unfair it all is for white male dullards who can't get laid." All they need to say is "we aren't violent or extreme, it's the left who are violent and want to raise your taxes," and they get a pass.
I actually don't mind it when conservatives praise the Nazis. It's far more annoying when they claim the Nazis were on the left.
I think Jordan Peterson is gonna become like the Goebbels of the American fascists
Because only fascists Clean their room of course......
Goebbels didn't cry all the time. I'm sure they're thankful for sending people their way but the far right don't respect him like that.
He’s more like whoever that Italian guy who wrote the doctrine of fascism. Carlson is our Goebblz
@@BlueSkullFish mmm mmm *nodding sagely*
@@BlueSkullFish Mussolini?
I suspect JP was always a Nazi sympathizer, but could not express his beliefs in mainstream Canadian academia. Becoming an anti-trans activist disguised as a free speech advocate quickly became more lucrative than being a U of T professor and the more he dropped his mask and widened his fascist apologia net, the more successful he became. This allowed him to pursue a dream he never thought possible, to become a mainstream advocate for christian conservative fascism.
@Brendan O'Rourke
Spot on. I fully expect him to expand his grift into pastoral work/pastoral 'care'.... Bigger grift = bigger payout for Kermit The Fraud. He's merely dipping his toes at the moment. I'm not certain he'll pull off a Mega-Church straight away, but believe there are PLENTY of impressionable and gullible North American nutters to make it possible. It's crazy that I reckon this to be the third time I've read he's spoken of his desire to start a church. I can see him transitioning into this role as a Televangelist on Sundays....
Ur absolutley ridiculous
calling jordan peterson a fascist must be pretty embarrassing to those who identify as fascist
Just as embarrassing as calling Nazis atheists.
Why? Fascism isn't an ideology like, say, communism. Authentic fascism isn't exportable. American libertarianism looks like fascism to Europeans. Think the Starship Troopers film, made by a European director.
_Fascism is not a principled or ideological stand; it is the politics of grievance, an instrumentalist response to a political situation it perceives as unacceptable. Fascism is the counter-revolutionary politics of force, justified by ultra-nationalism, glorified by myths of regeneration and purification, performed by masculine cults of personality and sold as the will of the people._
_Historians of fascism have also demonstrated that all fascism is indigenous by definition. As Robert O Paxton explained in his seminal 1998 essay “The Five Stages of Fascism”, “authentic fascism is not for export” because all fascisms draw “their slogans and their symbols from the patriotic repertory of one particular community”. Paxton also noted that “religion, for example, would certainly play a much greater role in an authentic fascism in the United States than in the first European fascisms”._
_American fascism will be ultra-American. It will reject the atheism and statism of European models; it will be self-righteous, certain of its own innocence, and understand itself as libertarian. Nativist agrarianism goes to the heart of these American populist mythologies, as it did to the rhetoric of both Mussolini and Hitler, promising to regenerate the nation - to make it great again. It elevates an authentic, preferably rural, national folk and defines them as “real Americans”, while denying first the loyalty, then the citizenship, then the humanity of everyone else. That authoritarian, nativist solutions to political problems did not find traction in the US in the 1930s does not prove that they never could; American exceptionalism did not immunise it against fascism, and it had its own organically fascistic movements that enjoyed popular support and sought entrenched power during the interwar years._
I mean, they should be embarrassed anyway. If fascism didn’t kill so many people I would say it is cringey. I’ll say it anyway, because it is. It’s really f/cking cringey and weird.
@@grisflyt
I'm guessing that's a Paul Verhoeven quote, but two corrections to his words.
1) European fascism wasn't atheist as the video goes into.
2) American fascist movements definitely existed and took hold, but the advent of the war in Europe countered it's rise.
@@grisflyt dude fascism IS an ideology. Put into practise.
Is basically socialism applied to the nation state.
Read Gentile's writing (the writer of "Dottrina del Fascismo").
There is a reason ALL fascist were socialist. There is a reason fascist were extremely antisocialist.
They were preaching to the same crowd.
So, not content with pandering to right-wing extremists of the neo-Nazi variety, Peterson is now also pandering to right-wing extremists of the fundamentalist Christian variety, and pandering to two different groups of right-wing extremists simultaneously?
Always has been...
Fun thing is, he's been pandering to conservative Muslims lately
Everything in this video has been around for years
Is there any variety he doesn't pander to?
@@frida507 Probably not.
Is it me, or is Jordan Peterson becoming weirder and weirder?
His brain veins are clogged with steak
I’m noticing that too.
Me a couple of years ago: Man, Peterson can't get any more bonkers.
Peterson: "Think again, sunshine!"
I feel like in the beginning he was super weird then mellowed out a bit but now is just even more crazy
@@jacksmith-vs4ct Yeah for me these type of people remind me of Dutch Van Der Linde lol. I don’t know why but they do
“Sensitive to disgust” what in the fresh hell.
read about "The psychological differences that drive ideology".
"Hitler was bad, but you gotta give him credit fo-"
"NO! I DON'T!"
Hitler was raised as a catholic since he was born in Austria. He fled to Bavaria in southern Germany since he thought Austria-Hungary was to multi cultural
Bavaria was very Catholic back then
Sometimes these people remind me of this part from the RotS Mr. Plinkett review. Just casually dropping that you've been 'researching Hitler for years' and then saying odd defensive things about the Nazis...
"So anyway he’s sittin there with Palpatine, and Palpatine’s talking about the Sith again. (Palpatine) “It was a Dark Lord of the Sith…” And we’re like, why does this guy know so much about the Sith?? It’s like being in a casual conversation with someone that you’ve known, and then they start talking about how they’re currently reading Mein Kampf. You might just raise an eyebrow and be like, “Wait. What did you just say… about Mein Kampf?”"
There's a whole ableist angle to the idea that "OCD would make you do the holocaust" which is especially messed up given peterson's (ex-?) profession as a clinical psychologist.
You're right: Hitler thought that Islam would be a more suitable religion for the Aryan race, calling Christianity too meek and flabby. Hitler held Christian ethics in contempt and preferred the concept of the survival of the fittest.
This was one of the best videos about the true meaning of JP. You demonstrated how extremely important it is to have a knowledge of History w / o that knowledge, people can re-write / misdirect /mis-educate, thousands of people & put their critical-thinking skills in some kind of bizarro-world where 2+2 does actually = 6.44cm.
"But he who closes his eyes in front of the past, will become blind to the present"
-Richardt von Weizsäcker
@@ngotemna8875 :: AND the Future, too, I think.
@@cliffgaither You're not wrong, but that isn't part of the original quote lmao
@@ngotemna8875 :: That's why I typed :: "I think" for that very reason.
JP's hairstyle says everything.
Between Rogan and H3 podcasts JP has said some truly outlandish shit and never get called on it!
When a person with an academic title talks about things outside that person's field of expertise, that person does not talk as an academic, but at best as an intellectual. Unfortunately JBP far too often talks about things he doesn't know anything about.
39:50 hold up…wtf? peterson never ever justified hitlers disgust of jews, he explained it. I repeat myself here, but THOSE ARE NOT THE SAME THING FFS
Peterson seems to be the epitome of the western tendency to find communism or even lukewarm socialism terrifying, and at the same time fascism a mild annoyance or even normal.
Peterson's comment about Hitler being "cleanly" always stuck out to me because of how ridiculous it is. Most people who are super cleanly are decent people, probably more concerned about keeping their apartments clean than hating groups of people for existing. This man was somebody that I never liked because of his blatant fearmongering about pronouns, his ideas about how men and women interact, and his "I got to hand it to Hitler" attitude. And I must say, talking to people who like Peterson at all can be super unpleasant. I've cut off friendships because even though I'd explain my points, we wouldn't get anywhere and there are ideas Peterson has which are opposed to me as a whole.
So you cut of friendships because people didn't have the exact same opinions that you did
@@RoyalRegimentofScotland Not exactly. But if someone is a complete idiot and/or has bad politics (for example, if they’re a forced birther, a TERF, etc) I don’t owe them my friendship.
@@debgenerate fair enough actually if someone's political views were too extreme I wouldn't associate with them either
I had a guy cut off a friendship to me because I criticized Peterson (and him for liking JP). So, me too, bro. Btw, very good writing.
I remember when Jordan Peterson had his original podcast and was trying to sell himself as some kind of leftist, he had this (African?) woman on whose name I forgot (and it seems like she really fell off of the right winger internet sphere) who advocated on his show that genocide against muslims is okay because it's religious based, not race based, and muslims uniquely needed the violence to be acted upon them to get peace. It was horrible, and it's not just that he had her on and never challenged her at all much like right wing podcast do today, but she wasn't even advocating for only middle eastern arabic muslims like you'd think a crazy right winger would mean, she meant every muslim on the planet! He later tried to walk it back saying it was merely a "Thought Experiment"... but I remember feeling like I was in some alien world at that point, and that the people around him were trying to say "He said it was only an intellectual thought experiment, not a legitimate tactic to use" only went to show me how illiterate most people were to the grift.
I don't know, I just never really trusted the guy, I always thought he was a fake intellectual that did more to push Ayn Rand than he did anything leftwing, and could do well to read a crowd.
If it’s an African woman - and she’s on Jordan B. Peterson’s podcast - I’m gonna guess it was Ayan Hirsi Ali
It would be interesting to hear that podcast. Does someone knows who he had on or if someone has a link to to that podcast?
To be fair, at least when it comes to abrahamic religions, they are all proto-fascist in nature. You can't be a christian, practicing jew or muslim without being at least an ally to fascism.
@@PapaSmurf11182nd
That was my guess as well.
@@theresaurus9820
Or he just didn't remember the name. Like a vast majority of people regularly forget names they've heard only a few times.
Peterson: "I've studied Hitler a lot"
(Petersons gets a BASIC fact about Hitler WRONG)
Peterson has no problem with lying.
Reality is a bit more complex. Yes, Hitler wasn't an atheist and he absolutely was able to reconcile his ambiguous faith with his political beliefs. However, the Nazi Party wasn't a monolithic group made in the image of Hitler's ideals. There were actually some pretty influential pagans/occultists who had some pretty anti-Christian opinions, but if I remember correctly, he purged all this stuff after the failed Operation Barbarossa.
that is literally said at 12:14 of this video
@@gozerthegozarian9500 Really? Damn, I shouldn't have watched the video at 4am lol
Politically and socially, Peterson is a throwback to early 20th century conservatives....they too felt that Fascism was less a problem than communism. They too held up the ideal woman as wife and mother (as did Hitler and the Nazis)...
I do ascribe to the belief that Jordan Peterson is in fact a Nazi. To me this is the only logical conclusion to reach when you take in all of his beliefs. If you took any of hi stated beliefs on their own, none of them would really be interesting, but put them all together, and it paints the picture of a man who only condemns the Nazis because its expected today. Yet he does a lot of sympathizing and justifying why the Nazis do what they did, and it is never they were genocidal maniacs, I believe this is him trying to paint them as not being as bad as they were, without openly embracing them.
He does have quite a ton of USSR art and memorabilia for a nazi.
I would not say a nazi, but something like an unconscious version of a proto-whatever-our- era's-version-of-fascism will be. He doesn't know what he is doing, but his beliefs fill the void left by fascism when you put them all together as you said
@@emilianosintarias7337 lol you guys are nuts
Big red flag moment for me was when Noam Chomsky argued that it was unfair to compare the Republicans to Nazis because they didn't try to overthrow the government (mind you, they ended up attempting exactly that). I lost a lot of respect for him when he said that. You can always count on appeasement from liberals, I guess.
33:40 the story is actually rather accurate, hitler was hospitalize due to a granate impact and lost a lot of comrades, he was as well awarded the iron cross tow times (first and second class). While im not sure whether hitler physically went back to find the graves of his dead comrades he definetly lost people he knew during the war (and probably that exact grenade as well) aka found them to be dead.
I'm so glad I never fell for his schtick, even when I was a former cringe reactionary.
There were a lot of brutalized men on the allied side in WW1 too. My grandparents were aquainted with some of them. Although on the victorious side, it was a bittersweet victory, particularly when they had to witness the world going to war again twenty years later.
My great grandad was one of them. Got shot in the face lucky for me he didn’t die (was like 19) had to have really early prosthetic surgery on his face. Family didn’t like him for fighting in the war because he was from Ireland - meaning he joined the British army - funnily enough he didn’t become a Nazi lol
Brilliant essay. tops on the subject. I've been watching Jordy for close to 9 years. Working on a essay of my own for Medium or someplace. The most troubling thing is he hasn't yet revealed his own theory of how to solve society's problems. What he is recommending, and will be revealing more, little by little, is the elimination of about one tenth of society (his own ratio); those individuals who fall below a certain IQ score. He says that the poor in this county are poor because they are not intelligent enough to not be poor, and we will solve our economic problems and eradicate any need for social programs because this percentage of the population will no longer be a drain when they are done away with. On the Jews, all you need to do is listen he uses when he drops that nugget, in a apparently innocent "aside" that some Jews cooperated with Nazi guards in the camps, implying that this is due to a flow in all Jews. I've always thought of him as a clown, but now that he has the Koch money behind him, he will be trying to do some real damage.
"nazism was an atheist concept"
what about the banner that was posted in Germany that literally said *he who serves Hitler serves God*
or was that photo "doctored" too
Weirdly enough that he says that Hitler was moulded by the crowd when I believe this is what happend to Jordan Peterson, himself just like a lot of other people on TH-cam who were (not J.P necessarily though) who have this happen to them.
Why and how people take this man seriously is totally because of aesthetics.
Oh Kav, as long as Jordan Peterson remains meme-able due to his own lack of self awareness, he ain't going away. Don't take it personally though, he's too dumb to stay cancelled.
Dunna how to feel about that. On one hand, he is so dangerous and has such a capacity for doing harm in the world with his INCESSANT BS, that I wish he'd just go away... But then again, the memes are indeed utterly delicious, especially the ones in which he's a C&C villain. :)) :)) :))
@@madsgrams2069 They seem to be expanding into other games too- I feel like the more people make Peterson out to be the complete ass clown that he is, the more his influence will wane
In France, I learned in history class that economy boomed under his leadership because he was building the means to a war. Industries, road, railroads etc.
He was not a genius, but the efforts made towards better structures for his incomings wars did boost the economy, at least my teachers told me
yes, the most important thing for an economy is PEOPLE HAVING MONEY TO BUY THINGS WITH, that means they need to have jobs. Capitalism stagnates and gridlocks itself because the capitalists don't want to give up any money to the poors so the poors don't give them any money back. Public spending resolves it.
There's a name for people who think nazism is better than communism. I'll let you figure out the name for such people...
Ha, ha, bro! I'll have to borrow that. And, I would say, at certain point in history, one had to choose between becoming a nazi or becoming a communist. Being neutral meant you got it from both sides. We are now entering such a period in history again, don't you think. There is no third choice.
what's alarming is the stance of these people,they claim to not be fascist but are presenting the same tactics and ideals.
14:57 - 15:35 Peterson saying you can't say Hitler was stupid, lacking in artistic talent, a poor organizer, not charismatic, did wonders for German economy
20:50 - 23:05 Peterson equating Hitler's anti-semitism with him being a clean freak. (PS: He also said the book 'Hitler's Table Talk was amazing.)
29:23 - 31:55 Peterson claiming Hitler wasn't anti-semitic, just a 'mouthpiece for the dark desires of the mob'. He stumbled onto his anti-semitism.
Went on a date with a girl who said she isnt a nazi but she "likes Hitler," citing his military victories, has read Mein Kampf twice and owns a "beautiful deluxe copy" or something, her dad named her childhood dog "adolf," etc. But she aint no Nazi, right? She also likes Trump and Putin... So weird amirite?
Brother, as a person who lived many years without AC, the bathtub/shower is your friend. I hate heat and when it got bad I would fill up the tub with a lukewarm bath before bed. Any time I woke up because of the heat I'd go sit in it for a few minutes. If it's not too humid, go back to bed still damp. Hang in there.
I'm someone who trained as a psychologist and also in some psychoanalytic places and some of petersons nonsense is *very* familiar as the sort of tripe that the latter come out with. It's like they have never read, or in Petersons case just cheerfully ignore, all the social psychology research on what drives prejudice, stereotypes, hatred etc and instead they're just like ahhhhh but what if it's all deeply symbolic?!!!!
I once sat through an entire lecture on someone's pet theory that racism is caused by like . . . the developing foetuses and neonates experience, especially birth trauma and . . . poo? It was very wierd. Profoundly woo.
I study psych too and JP claims to be a personality psych no less, yet he's building in "high disgust response"- an emotion hardwired and adapted in all humans to prevent disease- as though it's a Big-5 personality trait that has major implications on cognition and interpersonal relations. He has absolutely no basis for doing this, and would probably be aware that the most likely explanation in accordance with current theory would be a severe lack of agreeableness, high neuroticism and likely a host of psychopathic traits (narcissism, machiavellianism and sadism). Not only is this hack a complete history revisionist, he can't even make up some reasonable sounding bullshit directly from his own 'field of expertise'.
I am certainly not a psychologist but I find his self proclaimed study of Hitler and other dictators increasingly suspicious given his own rhetoric.
Like dude will talk about Hitler duhumanizing and scapegoating people, then turn around and call surgeons criminal butchers and blame everything that makes his followers unhappy or afraid on Marxists (or sometimes women if he's feeling chaotic)
Must be hard to be a psychologist these days, especially if this sort of nonsense is common on top of... Well, everything.
Sorry Kermit, but I don’t think meth heads who orders the deaths of millions, starts wW2, and stupidly invades Russia as someone who I should admire…
This video is one of the best and most enlightening on JP's stance on Hitler. Unlike JP , you also back up your position with facts and literature, as JP tends to rely on the laziness of his followers regarding facts, he gets away with a lot of shall we say "misinformation".
In answer to your question about JP being a Nazi, he's very combative and defensive when asked why he appeals to the ultra right in droves, which could be telling in itself. IMO, JP is more of an opportunist and a fraud, much like Donald Trump, riding the wave of intolerance and making plenty of money in the process. He's a capitalist and talks about that freely. He could very well be a Nazi but I think he knows if he went too far, he would lose some of his "moderate" support. Well done on the video, it must have been a lot of work. It was well presented. Now that JP seems to have recovered from his stint in rehab, I can't wait to see what lies in the future. My belief is the true JP will be revealed.
Trying to justify the holocaust is one of the most disgusting things I have ever heard
There’s an author that said that Jordan plagiarized hitler but I can’t remember his name
Troy Parfitt. He's a clown though. His examples of plagiarism are just Peterson using words like 'problem', then showing examples of Hitler using the same word.
@@chebghobbi oh lol
Exactly they were not atheists, they believed in paganism, occult esotericism and it's symbolism. Petersen rants about Jung, so he should understand from Jung's book 'Man and his symbols' religious beliefs are supported by symbols and archetypes, and some of these blind belief systems supported their horrendous actions.
Most Nazis were Christians. It was the leaders of the SS who were pagans. But yeah, not atheists. Not that we atheists could not commit atrocities. We are still human, for good or ill.
They didn’t actually believe in the pagan Gods. if the SS were pagan, it was because it was in line with their racial theories, claiming to be a pure aryan while believing in a religion coming from the middle east wouldn't have made sense
So yes the Nazis were atheist, or at least agnostic, they have even done laws against the scientists who believe in the Big Bang theory like Einstein( the Big Bang theory contradicts the materialistic view of the Universe advocated by the atheist)
@@jymbo1969
Yep. Through popular culture the idea developed that the amount of paganism was high among Nazis, but they were mostly Christian. Though the paganism did tie into some of the Aryan master race nonsense, their number were always a minority and some of them were purged from the ranks after they were in power.
And hirler for tactical reasons, whyever, his believes were publicly christian .
I think the reason Peterson doesn't address why Hitler was 'disgusted' by the Jews is simply because he agrees, yet can't/doesn't want to justify this belief. Interestingly, he never really condemns the disgust for Jews, it's just accepted as an inevitable predisposition. He even positions this revelation beside cleaning up factories and actual disease, seemingly to make Hitler's motives relatable and even noble.
It would make far more sense to talk about Hitler's belief in the supremacy of the Aryan race and race purity, but this would make Hitler's ideology look bad, and he is careful to avoid that.
I can't see any other reason for this than an attempt to validate Hitler's ideology and antisemitic ideas, this segment serves no other purpose.
So anti-communism correlates with nazism?
That's so strange...
In a way it does because Hitler used fear of communists to get support… other than that no.
Edit: I read this wrong, I thought it just said communism. I wouldn’t be surprised if right wingers did blame it on communism though.
@SN NF Made me lol, bro.
Candace owens said some idiotic stuff about hitler as I remember
The best part is when her words get played back to her word for word and she goes into Pouty Face Mode… Candace would have most likely sold out the slaves on the Underground Railroad, to get to be the Auntie Stephen of the plantation