A few things that I forgot to note in the video: Inevitably, some of you are going to notice how hilariously bad the Paiyon listing is on their Amazon and Chinese webpage. The language is about as "Engrish" as it gets! Honestly? I think it's kinda funny. Meanwhile... In this review, I made it sound like the Paiyons lay the smack down on the Klipsch RP600Ms. In reality, that's not the case.. Sure, the Paiyons seem to have a higher performance ceiling, but the Klipsch sounds like the more mature product by direct comparison. The same can be said for the PSBs. I also need to re-enforce how much more forgiving the Klipsch RP600Ms are than the Paiyon P5s when it comes to reproducing the sound of poorly recorded material. To the people say that the RP600M is a ruthlessly revealing product... Bless you. My sweet, summer children.
Hi Sean, I started following your youtube videos about a month ago. I find your videos very helpful & objective; I learned a lot by watching them. Thank you very much. I decided to buy an IOTAVX SA3 integrated amp after watching your review, and I like it so much better than my Onkyo TX-8140. The normal boomy base disappeared and the lows are significantly cleaner to me, However, I'm still not happy with the treble and vocal, I guess I need to try a different pair of speakers. I currently have a pair of CCB-8 bookshelf and VTF-3 MK5 subwoofer from Hsu Research. I listen to Smooth Jazz on internet radio all day long, and in low to moderate volume. I like crisp & transparent treble and full, warm vocal (I think, I'm not sure these are the right words to describe the sounds I like). The CCB-8 sounds a little boring to me, and I cannot stand playing music at higher volume for more than 10 minutes... I watched your reviews on Triangle Borea BR03, as well as Paiyon P4 2.0. I am very tempted to try them. Given my listening preferences and the newly acquired IOTAVX SA3 amp, which speaker do you think I should buy? Also, would it significantly enhance my listening experiences, if I were to add IOTAVX PA3 to the future setup? Thank you so much :)
To me it looks like its a clone of the alesis monitor one mk2 studio monitors qhich you get for around 50 bucks used in good condition images.app.goo.gl/qRMidS7MLr8QqVXK9
hmm... looks great, sounds... unpredictable. And I think you had to review and articulate... carefully. I'm really glad that they send you something to review. Bought a product from them and mentioned to them about you. They are fortunate to have your review. Thank you for what you do.
It is important to reveal the test particulars. Something as simple as a grill being on or off tells you something about driver and crossover issues. Grills usually veil the sound, but on a choice few, it helps the speaker’s performance. I really enjoy this comparative that you do at the end. By taking a known/evaluated speaker and compare it to the new guy on the block is a good thing. Always enjoyable Sean! Press on! 😊👏😀🤘
Good day Sean, i have these speakers for last 4 mos, they are very good, i can compare them to my Assend Sierra 1, they hold very good. I put them against my Sierra 2, not bad at all, but clarity of Sierra is better. I compared them with Elac 6.2 , Elac inferior in terms of clarity, even in low end i cannot say which one is better. These speakers much better than Wharfedale Diamond 10.2 which i own as well. Overall, these Paiyon are very well made and engineered speakers. Sean , your review is right on. And finally, i just discovered- Paiyon P4 2.0 based on Alesis Monitor 1 MK2. Please note, these speakers do "open up" after 40-60 hrs, grill must be on.
i bought them cause o youre share , thanks there having amazing sound quality with my A10 reison amp , love all your shares , you and steve guttenberg are mine favorites audiophil experts , and you are really good in this , congrats and many thanks bro'ss
based on what you said about their drastic change on Radiohead recordings, and that they are lively sounding gives me the sense that they may actually be more accurate than some others in their price range.
Yo Shaun, Paiyon has been on the Chinese and Asian markets for around 9 years. They are a hifi company that design and manufacture loudspeakers exclusively. Also, many Chinese audiophiles use tube equipment, thus the bright and lively sound.
Just a heads up I found the specs on the Canadian Amazon site for this speaker: Specifications: Product model: HIFI P4 Product Type: Passive two channel two frequency Product power: 20-120W Rated impedance: 4Ω Crossover point: 2.8k Sensitivity: 90db Frequency response: 52hz-23khz Product net weight: about 18kg / pair Product list: A pair of HiFi P4 speakers Product size: 373mm X 310mm X 200mm Packing size: 530mm X 430mm X 500mm
Thanks once again for another one of your excellent reviews. I am relocating in September to Thailand and am undecided on even to start a new modest system especially when I am leaving a great one behind. Chinese manufacturers will make purchasing and shipping very attractive to me. Amazon, sadly doesn't make delivering to Thailand a pure hassle and impossible with the added rates. There's an abundance of excellent high fidelity stores in Singapore and I might just opt to purchasing from there. Keep up the great work!
HiVi/Swans is the largest high end drivers in the world. A number of US speaker companies use their drivers. Some of their speakers cost near $100K, and the Swan M1 has been around since 1999 after winning many awards.
Another hidden gem is klipsch rp160m are only 340 on amazon. I have the rp600 and 160's and it's very hard to tell the difference and the 160 includes a plinth . I bought my 600s first then saw that deal on 160s and scooped them up. For 200 bucks less a set kinda wished I went with the 160s from the start. Only downside is they dont have the copper accent rings. Great videos!
Another great review! I couldn't help notice the chunky power cable you were running with the SA3 shown during the intro. What is it and is it worthwhile upgrading from the stock IEC lead?
That's a custom power cable from AMR that's designed to go with their own gear. I used it all the time though, as it's far easier than switching power cables AND gear throughout the reviewing process. As for whether or not it's worth buying an aftermarket cable for the SA3: If you're curious, I'd recommend checking out the Pangea AC-9 off Audio Advisor. It's pretty much the only power cable that I recommend to my viewers.
This doesn't always work but GENERALLY speaking I can usually take one look at a product and tell if it's worth my time and money. I knew this speaker would be a winner the moment I saw it. The finish is incredibly gorgeous. I'm so tired of flat and piano black finishes I can hardly see straight. Whatever it is, that finish is a real eye catcher. The logo is a nice touch, too. Usually, when a company sweats those kind of details the big things are taken care of as well. This seems to be the case here. Still, your review (one of your best, in my view) was a bit of a surprise. Not only are there going to be some overtime hours at Amazon, Klipsch fans everywhere are jumping off bridges after cancelling their subscriptions to Zero Fidelity. May I remind everyone that a speaker's sole purpose is to accurately reproduce sound. I, too, own speakers that are very unforgiving to poor recordings. So be it. I'm not sure how a speaker can make poor recordings sound better and yet still shine when the recording engineers get it right. This was an outstanding nuts and bolts review. No need to back pedal. I have no idea how a speaker sounds more "mature." (From your later comment) Sort of reminds me of when Guttenberg said a speaker "does beauty." Considering the Klipsch pedigree, these Asian wonders DID put a beatdown on them. Like you said, normally you wouldn't even give them a second thought let alone a review. While I'm not going to take any leaps, my jaw is still on the floor. Further considering your expertise in the field of audio and your well deserved reputation for telling it like it is with no bull****, these little David's just slayed some very revered Goliath's. Way cool, if you ask me.
Thanks Mike. Unlike most of the reviews that I recently published, I was able to get this done without any external stress factors popping up during the filming process. And yep, Paiyon did a fantastic job with these speakers. As for the beat-down comment: It's all about what you want. Some people will prefer the sound of PSB or Klipsch, while others will gravitate towards the Paiyon sound. As always - it's a matter of priority.
Thanks Raul. I'm afraid that won't happen. Andrew isn't interested in gathering more reviews on the UB5. Can't say I blame him! Instead, I will be reviewing some of their speakers that'll be released later this year.
Great review. I've been an occasional ChinaHiFi observer in the past and have direct imported some gear from China before the country where I live, Australia, made it uneconomical to do so. Sometimes though, I wish you talked a bit slower Sean. I try hard to get the details right when I explore your videos because few reviewers give any kind of sincerity with their opinions and most have little real knowledge of sound/audio. You're the exception. Because you talk so fast and there is so much in every sentence, I have to pause the videos several times to get the whole presentation. That's on me and I'm getting on in years. I get that. Please though, give an old guy a break, especially on the bang-for-buck gear that I might actually be able to afford. Bottom line: I really enjoy your videos. Cheers.
I appreciate it man. You know whats crazy? I purposefully slowed down my pace throughout the bulk of this video. You know what's even crazier? My friends in NYC say I speak extraordinarily slow! :D
A few companies have approached me about it - to include China-HiFi. The problem is serviceability. I need assurances that there is somewhere that US customers can send the product for (under warranty) repairs - should it ever be necessary.
@@ZeroFidelity I understand, but not only for repair. Most importantly, electronic products always contain risks. Electric shock, house fire etc.. In case of accident, people can find the authority but not you. Take care.
i forgot to comment when the video was uploaded so here i go: a nice review of something different, i like it :) a very pretty speaker for sure, no grills and pure drivers looks great, to bad the grills improved on the tweeter, would be nice if that was done in crossover.
I use raw driver from China for my car. Cost arnd 60 usd for a pair of full range and a pair of 6.5, jaw drop everywhere when they heard the price after auditioning the system
Thank you for the review. How do you think the combination of of the XTZ Edge A2-300 paired with these Paiyon P4 would be being fed from an Oppo UDP-205 as preamp/source? Also to note is that I am using a Rythmik Audio F12 subwoofer.
I think you could do a whole channel reviewing chi-fi gear, but good luck not offending some major players. I'd love to see someone review more chi-fi gear (speakers, amps, cables, dacs, etc.) and take it apart to see if its legit or just fancy packaging. BTW, I own Primaluna and Line Magnetic (both built in china) and love them both.
hey Sean,the speaker you reviewed seeing sticker from the back its paiyon 4s but the link its paiyon 4.2,looking at alie express online store im not sure if its a different speaker physically but the 4.2 and 4s have different price,please clarify.thanks
They are differnet speakers. the normal P4 look different and cost, i think, over 500. Buy them at china-hifi-audio or better if you are in the US at Amazon.
I think the Mistrals are the more natural sounding speakers. Particularly in the mids. The Paiyons are going to be a lot brighter, fuller range, and easier to drive.
Very interesting. I bet they might sound good with my HH Scott 340B, or even my Allo Volt+ stepped attenuator, and a NOS DAC, or a turntable. I find it interesting that these are the most efficient speakers they sell. Even the big towers, and the 8 inch bookshelf speakers are less efficient. Their designs seem to be all over the map actually. Did you look at them? But hey, it sounds like they put out something that will give a serious taste of HiFi for very little money. I would love to know what the other one's they make sound like. Might be some real gems in there? I can't do it right now, because it's getting to be about new car time. But otherwise I wouldn't hesitate to try these myself just for shits and giggles. Thanks to your snazzy review. 😁👍 I doubt I have trouble off loading them on Craigslist for at $250, or more, if kept them mint. Thanks for the review man. It was damn good IMO. ✌️
------------------------------------------------------ I just received a pair of Paiyon P4 speakers ( big brother to P4-2) a few days ago from China Hifi..I decided to purchase it based on your review of it's smaller brother. I currently have a pair of Triangle BR03's (also in part, based on your review..watching your channel is costing me money.. )They are excellent speakers but I prefer the Paiyons (but not by a large margin).The wood finish is beautiful and I found the highs less harsh on my ears. This is a clear and lively speaker. Well done .Plus cost about $200 Canadian less than the Triangles. Second product that I've purchased from China Hifi. If you don't mind waiting two months for the product, I think its a solid company .
After reviewing the Willsenton "Willi" R8, why dont you tell us the Paiyons sound pretty different and nice with tube amps!? 😀 Will try them later after i dryed my tears from listening the "Willi" and the P3ESR (not a perfect match but very close)
You should try the Swan HiVi - DIY 2.2A (or 3.2) kit on amazon. They seem to have great components for the money and I don't see to many reviews. I think Z reviews has one.
Tim genardo , actually Zeos had several reviews on the Hi-Vi diy kits. they are great and you cannot even buy the drivers for the cost of the kit. truly very good speakers for the money. good comparison is the Klipsch RP 5 & 600s.
The styling even the company logo at bottom looks very similar to a pair of Dynaudio special 40's. Granted the veneer is original but I like it, nice looking set!
Great review and scary...people will want to say "why by chinese made", but hey B&W are now having speakers made in china (under their supervision). Regardless the Chinese are learning. As these are bookshelf speakers, can you tell us what speakers from the Paiyon line would compatree to something like the B&W 805D's. Thx for the help.
I have a pair of the pans with a cambridge audio axa35 amp and they are great for the money. However the pans have one niggle which is the binding posts point up. This puts strain on the speaker cables at the joints. Also the speakers took a good month to settle in. Finally , and this could be my room, I found that they were at their best 4 feet from my seating position and that was about 6 feet from the rear wall - go figure!!!!
Okay Z... in your opinion, which speaker or rank of speakers best reproduces PIANO? I am asking all you YT pros for advice. I mainly listen to Nordic jazz, cinematic and classical. Any thoughts?
Hi - new to the channel - enjoying the reviews, but, for a newbie, are there any (Web?) resources to help out with the explanation of the terms employed within such reviews? -'Imaging' / 'Mid-presence' / 'Bass focus' etc.. ? (- of course, all such reviews are subjective, but has anyone ever actually sat down & attempted to decode such gnomic statements such as: "The low-end seemed to be wrestling with the high; the mid then came out fighting.." -OK - I made that last one up..
This is off the subject Sean. Tecton Impact Monitors. Saw it on front of another channel and didn’t watch it as I would rather see your review as I know I can trust you to be honest about it. Have a hard time trusting most reviewers, not you! I hope we will see you review this. I like the smaller speakers myself. It will be interesting if they are as good as their larger brothers. Looking forward to it!
So basically this is a far more Hiend resolving speaker that benefits from good equipment and good recordings over the 600m and p5. They both look toy like compared to the Paiyons. So the price is really the only indication its a budget speaker like those 2 but its not in practice, its not for the same buyer as the typical 600m and p5 casuals...and those drivers look like Moral drivers....this sounds like a seasoned veterans type of speaker not a novice audiophile..the Chinese love tube gear to, they are 90db bet they really sing with a push pull e84 or a single ended kt120-150 amp or a class A amp...😉
Hi Sean, Firstly love your show... Love to see a review on Paiyon P8 : ($482 ) The fascination here being it looks to be pretty much a Harbeth 30.1 ($6495) Clone.. Shares Same cabinet dimentions, same Driver Sizes (8" &1") Seas Drivers allegedly. Both use similar type MDF. Weight almost the same.. Crossover point is different 3.5 vs 2.9 KHZ. On the China-Hifi Audio site Paiyon talk about BBC Design. Looks a dead ringer as a clone of Harbeth 30.1(Which itself is a LS5/9 Clone ... How close does it get to the Holy Grail? Anyone heard the P8 ? Love to hear some feedback...
Great review, it shows you don't have to spend truckloads of money to get good sound no matter where it comes from..They look great add a sub your done.
Bought it! Well it hurds a bit cause you were right, to many good speakers under 500. Will compare them to my Harbeth P3ESR and C7. There is a Habeth lookalike Copie of the M30 Monitor from Paiyon called P8. This would be interesting to compare to the original. Lokks like they use the same SEAS tweeter. All for less than 500 US.
Yeah well I have been looking at some of these Chinese sites and in addition to not knowing the stuff as we do from established brands (most don't have reviews) and the search function to find products .You are not certain to find better deals as well.Some stuff like Consonance is not that cheap though I did find Cayin to be cheaper than can be gotten here,-I was looking for a cheap half with CD with XLR is really difficult on not one but most of these sites it's a different world because if based in US/Europe they would not be able to move product.Weird if you ask me.
I have Chinese amps and i gotta say they are fantastic for the money, one $1500 the monos $3400 a pair, same sound quality level as JOB and similar "swiss" sound signature
So with shipping from the China site, it's the same price as Amazon ($329) Not seeing the $212 Amazon price. I was all in when i thought I could get for $200 from China, $329 still sounds like a great deal for these, but since I already have my KEF Q100's that I got for $300 delivered in late 2016 and since I'm also building up a pair of Carmody's Classix 2.5 floorstanding speakers (gonna be about $350 all in) I just can't spend another $300+ :-(
Interesting questions, maybe? Do you still feel the same about the Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers, for example, from a few years ago? Has your opinion improved, or worsened now that you’ve got a few years producing these videos behind you?
My opinion of the BS21 remains steadfast, neither improving or worsening through time. There isn't a single product that I feel differently about. I truly believe this is one of the benefits of reviewing products from a neutral perspective, as opposed to posting pure biased opinion pieces. It helps to keep the evaluation accurate and relevant as time moves forward.
Elac is warmer. A bit more balanced between the frequency extremes. Both have a good sense of scale. The Paiyons dig deeper. They also sound less edgy along the top end and are significantly more revealing and articulate sounding.
great...now I have to chose from the Elac 6.2 (87db 6 ohm) , Klipsch rp600 m ( 96db 8 ohm), Paiyon P-4.2 (90 db 4 ohm) ....SIR, what would be a great all-around choice to give me the biggest soundstage/images and best midrange...????
@@ZeroFidelity all types of music that are well recorded...Patrick O Hearn, Mars Lasar, Toto, New York Jazz Assembly, Holly Cole, Of Mice and Men, Leonard Cohen, Laura Fygi, Joe Sample, etc...Yamaha A S1000 integrated, DAC-it with Musical Fidelity VLink, great cables, and passive line conditioner....thanks
@@d.p.soniserr7426 - I think the PSB Alphas (P5's or T20's) will be best for you. Good imaging. Fantastic midrange. Plus, they should sound good with your current electronics. Strike the Elacs and Klipsch off your list. The Paiyons have the potential to make you very happy, but I'm unsure of how they will pair to your AS1000. That's all I got for ya!
@@ZeroFidelity thanks Sean...Chi-fi...almost ALL (only 98%)our gears are made in China, Vietnam, or Malaysia anyway...the Paiyon sounds inviting but I'm going to look into the PSBs....gracias & adios
Thanks for the update, Brydon. It was listed as $201.95/pair as of three hours ago. I also checked the price before filming the review earlier today. I wish this adjustment would have been made *BEFORE* my review went live.
I'm in the hunt for two pairs of speakers for my ht. Even though they technically exceed my budget the fact that they come from China helps quite a bit (cheaper than importing from the US) so I thought I might go for them as they seem to be worth it but atm they're $330 on the Chinese website so.. not what I'd call "just a hair above $200". Too thick of a hair for my pocket =/
@@ZeroFidelity I figured that's what they did. I was checking their website and most use Timphany drivers but I can't tell what they're using for the P4, do you know whether they're Timphany as well? Btw I'm loving your reviews and the honesty in them, keep it going 👍
This is what I don’t get. Reviewer says speaker sounds like 1k-2k speaker but doesn’t say what speaker or offer comparison to Harbeth P3ESR or Buchardt....then compares it to a $550 speaker and a $350 speaker and the chinese speakers aren’t a clear winner. 🤷🏻♂️
Ok. So this reviewer is going to answer that question for you: On good gear and with good recordings, the P5's can in some ways compete with the Buchardt S300's or the Totem Acoustic Sky's. Let's focus on the Buchardt comparison first. It'll sound more lively than the S300's (albeit not as smooth), a bit more revealing in the midrange (although not as full/warm - particularly in the upper mids), and have a bit more dynamic slam (at the expense of the low-end gravitas of the S300). The resolution is on par with the S300's. The S300's are a bit easier to work with and are far more giving of poor recordings. Now let's talk about how they stack up to the Totem Acoustic Sky: Overall, both speakers reside on the forward side of neutral - featuring a spiked up top end and a thin sounding upper midrange. The Sky has a few distinct advantages. It's quicker, lays down a wider soundstsage, is a bit more tonally accurate, and a bit more resolute than the Paiyon. The Paiyons larger size allows the speaker to deliver a fuller sense of scale along with stronger, deeper bass output. The Paiyon also seems to be slightly more forgiving of poor recordings and less critical of room placement.
Most speakers at this price will drop significantly in value after 3 years. I'm talking 60-70% off of MSRP, assuming the gear is in good condition. Doesn't matter if its from a 'reputable' firm or not. The only difference here is that it may take longer for you to sell off your speakers at a loss than with the others.
Resale? In reality the cheaper the speaker is, the better its resale.. These Paiyon's at $300 , if you sold them 2 yrs later for $100 ($200 drop) you haven't lost anything for heavens sake... You have had $200 worth out of them!... Try buying a $2,000 speaker and see how you go getting $1,800 2 years later (Good Luck !) You will rip up $1,000 . Same as the resale on a Toyota will be far better than a Mercedes or Lamborghini... At the bottom end of the market you get "More than you pay for".. Middle of market: You get what you pay for.. Top end of Market.. Basically a rip off , not playing the ' value for money card' You pay 500% more for for a 5% improvement. But the Rich can afford it and with that comes the Bragging Rights and the prestige of the badge... but it is not value for money.. The Paiyon clearly is ...
I'll stick with my Emotiva T1's for 498 bucks. Of course, because of Trump and his tariffs, the price goes up in July 1st by 25 percent. 630 is till worth it though.
Compare this to Q Acoustics 3050i s pls. Just $299 a pair shipped and lot of rave reviews you would know already. I have a pair and the center and for the money they are very very good.
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glad that u're reviewing chinese hi-fi products...I believe there are gems to be discovered
Gilbert
Agree, but where are they ?
@@ralex3697 Mistral audio and HIVI are some of the best chifi companies. (aswell as smsl, gustard, topping for dacs)
A few things that I forgot to note in the video: Inevitably, some of you are going to notice how hilariously bad the Paiyon listing is on their Amazon and Chinese webpage. The language is about as "Engrish" as it gets! Honestly? I think it's kinda funny. Meanwhile...
In this review, I made it sound like the Paiyons lay the smack down on the Klipsch RP600Ms. In reality, that's not the case.. Sure, the Paiyons seem to have a higher performance ceiling, but the Klipsch sounds like the more mature product by direct comparison. The same can be said for the PSBs. I also need to re-enforce how much more forgiving the Klipsch RP600Ms are than the Paiyon P5s when it comes to reproducing the sound of poorly recorded material. To the people say that the RP600M is a ruthlessly revealing product... Bless you. My sweet, summer children.
Zero Fidelity ... I’m sure there is an opportunity for you to be the copywriter for China Hifi! 😂🤣
Can you review the Paiyon p728 floor standing speakers?
which would you recommend overall sq.,the paiyon or the rp600 irregardles of the price? thanks man
Hi Sean, I started following your youtube videos about a month ago. I find your videos very helpful & objective; I learned a lot by watching them. Thank you very much. I decided to buy an IOTAVX SA3 integrated amp after watching your review, and I like it so much better than my Onkyo TX-8140. The normal boomy base disappeared and the lows are significantly cleaner to me, However, I'm still not happy with the treble and vocal, I guess I need to try a different pair of speakers. I currently have a pair of CCB-8 bookshelf and VTF-3 MK5 subwoofer from Hsu Research. I listen to Smooth Jazz on internet radio all day long, and in low to moderate volume. I like crisp & transparent treble and full, warm vocal (I think, I'm not sure these are the right words to describe the sounds I like). The CCB-8 sounds a little boring to me, and I cannot stand playing music at higher volume for more than 10 minutes... I watched your reviews on Triangle Borea BR03, as well as Paiyon P4 2.0. I am very tempted to try them. Given my listening preferences and the newly acquired IOTAVX SA3 amp, which speaker do you think I should buy? Also, would it significantly enhance my listening experiences, if I were to add IOTAVX PA3 to the future setup? Thank you so much :)
To me it looks like its a clone of the alesis monitor one mk2 studio monitors qhich you get for around 50 bucks used in good condition
images.app.goo.gl/qRMidS7MLr8QqVXK9
That is a great looking speaker. Love the depth of that cabinet. Great looking finish. Nice looking build quality. Price tag is a big bonus!
hmm... looks great, sounds... unpredictable. And I think you had to review and articulate... carefully. I'm really glad that they send you something to review. Bought a product from them and mentioned to them about you. They are fortunate to have your review. Thank you for what you do.
It is important to reveal the test particulars. Something as simple as a grill being on or off tells you something about driver and crossover issues. Grills usually veil the sound, but on a choice few, it helps the speaker’s performance. I really enjoy this comparative that you do at the end. By taking a known/evaluated speaker and compare it to the new guy on the block is a good thing. Always enjoyable Sean! Press on! 😊👏😀🤘
Good day Sean, i have these speakers for last 4 mos, they are very good, i can compare them to my Assend Sierra 1, they hold very good. I put them against my Sierra 2, not bad at all, but clarity of Sierra is better. I compared them with Elac 6.2 , Elac inferior in terms of clarity, even in low end i cannot say which one is better. These speakers much better than Wharfedale Diamond 10.2 which i own as well. Overall, these Paiyon are very well made and engineered speakers. Sean , your review is right on. And finally, i just discovered- Paiyon P4 2.0 based on Alesis Monitor 1 MK2. Please note, these speakers do "open up" after 40-60 hrs, grill must be on.
i bought them cause o youre share , thanks there having amazing sound quality with my A10 reison amp , love all your shares , you and steve guttenberg are mine favorites audiophil experts , and you are really good in this , congrats and many thanks bro'ss
Sean, don’t let this go to your head but you’re the most honest, knowledgeable, thorough, and well-spoken audiophile reviewer on the internet.
🤯🤔🤯👌👌 I did not even watch the video and I'm already excited from the comparison you want to do excellent keep it up zero fidelity
Brilliant analysis as always, thank you very much.
based on what you said about their drastic change on Radiohead recordings, and that they are lively sounding gives me the sense that they may actually be more accurate than some others in their price range.
we need more chifi review . good job bro
Thank you for listening with and without grills :)
Yo Shaun, Paiyon has been on the Chinese and Asian markets for around 9 years. They are a hifi company that design and manufacture loudspeakers exclusively. Also, many Chinese audiophiles use tube equipment, thus the bright and lively sound.
Many thanks for the backround info!
Hey het I thought you were only an earphone guy Kopi. You are everywhere ha.
@@junboo8730 He's deep into speakers too. I've gotten alot of valuable advices from him coz of his experience for decades in matchmaking systems.
Hasan Askari That’s awesome. Nice to have people like that everywhere ha.
@@junboo8730: I am into hifi 40 years before I went into earphones.
Thanks for the great review! It's nice to hear about other brands.
you sound so honest and easy......that is big +.....all the best from Croatia...thanks for all work you do
Just a heads up I found the specs on the Canadian Amazon site for this speaker:
Specifications:
Product model: HIFI P4
Product Type: Passive two channel two frequency
Product power: 20-120W
Rated impedance: 4Ω
Crossover point: 2.8k
Sensitivity: 90db
Frequency response: 52hz-23khz
Product net weight: about 18kg / pair
Product list: A pair of HiFi P4 speakers
Product size: 373mm X 310mm X 200mm
Packing size: 530mm X 430mm X 500mm
I watch all your reviews. You are down to earth.
Appreciate it!
Kudos for doing a video on a less common product.
Thanks once again for another one of your excellent reviews. I am relocating in September to Thailand and am undecided on even to start a new modest system especially when I am leaving a great one behind. Chinese manufacturers will make purchasing and shipping very attractive to me. Amazon, sadly doesn't make delivering to Thailand a pure hassle and impossible with the added rates. There's an abundance of excellent high fidelity stores in Singapore and I might just opt to purchasing from there.
Keep up the great work!
Good luck with the move! I'm sure you're going to end up with a great system!
HiVi/Swans is the largest high end drivers in the world. A number of US speaker companies use their drivers. Some of their speakers cost near $100K, and the Swan M1 has been around since 1999 after winning many awards.
HiVi is the real deal. I've done a few DIY designs around their dynaudio woofer clone..I mean.. homages... Real good stuff.
Another hidden gem is klipsch rp160m are only 340 on amazon. I have the rp600 and 160's and it's very hard to tell the difference and the 160 includes a plinth . I bought my 600s first then saw that deal on 160s and scooped them up. For 200 bucks less a set kinda wished I went with the 160s from the start. Only downside is they dont have the copper accent rings. Great videos!
Another great review! I couldn't help notice the chunky power cable you were running with the SA3 shown during the intro. What is it and is it worthwhile upgrading from the stock IEC lead?
That's a custom power cable from AMR that's designed to go with their own gear. I used it all the time though, as it's far easier than switching power cables AND gear throughout the reviewing process. As for whether or not it's worth buying an aftermarket cable for the SA3: If you're curious, I'd recommend checking out the Pangea AC-9 off Audio Advisor. It's pretty much the only power cable that I recommend to my viewers.
This doesn't always work but GENERALLY speaking I can usually take one look at a product and tell if it's worth my time and money. I knew this speaker would be a winner the moment I saw it. The finish is incredibly gorgeous. I'm so tired of flat and piano black finishes I can hardly see straight. Whatever it is, that finish is a real eye catcher. The logo is a nice touch, too. Usually, when a company sweats those kind of details the big things are taken care of as well. This seems to be the case here. Still, your review (one of your best, in my view) was a bit of a surprise. Not only are there going to be some overtime hours at Amazon, Klipsch fans everywhere are jumping off bridges after cancelling their subscriptions to Zero Fidelity. May I remind everyone that a speaker's sole purpose is to accurately reproduce sound. I, too, own speakers that are very unforgiving to poor recordings. So be it. I'm not sure how a speaker can make poor recordings sound better and yet still shine when the recording engineers get it right. This was an outstanding nuts and bolts review. No need to back pedal. I have no idea how a speaker sounds more "mature." (From your later comment) Sort of reminds me of when Guttenberg said a speaker "does beauty." Considering the Klipsch pedigree, these Asian wonders DID put a beatdown on them. Like you said, normally you wouldn't even give them a second thought let alone a review. While I'm not going to take any leaps, my jaw is still on the floor. Further considering your expertise in the field of audio and your well deserved reputation for telling it like it is with no bull****, these little David's just slayed some very revered Goliath's. Way cool, if you ask me.
Thanks Mike. Unlike most of the reviews that I recently published, I was able to get this done without any external stress factors popping up during the filming process. And yep, Paiyon did a fantastic job with these speakers. As for the beat-down comment: It's all about what you want. Some people will prefer the sound of PSB or Klipsch, while others will gravitate towards the Paiyon sound. As always - it's a matter of priority.
ChiFi is hard to predict. When it's good, it's oh so sweet. Maybe someone ought to start a ChiFi review channel?
i honestly think that would be a fantastic idea.
Can you do a breakdown of companies who's amps/products tend to be bright, warm, and neutral.
I may do this at some point. When I have the time, that is.
I would like to see your review of ELAC Uni-Fi UB5 speakers and their comparison with other speakers thanks.
Thanks Raul. I'm afraid that won't happen. Andrew isn't interested in gathering more reviews on the UB5. Can't say I blame him! Instead, I will be reviewing some of their speakers that'll be released later this year.
@@ZeroFidelity I'll send you my elac ub5 if you're interested to review them a big fan Steve Costello
Great review. I've been an occasional ChinaHiFi observer in the past and have direct imported some gear from China before the country where I live, Australia, made it uneconomical to do so.
Sometimes though, I wish you talked a bit slower Sean. I try hard to get the details right when I explore your videos because few reviewers give any kind of sincerity with their opinions and most have little real knowledge of sound/audio. You're the exception. Because you talk so fast and there is so much in every sentence, I have to pause the videos several times to get the whole presentation. That's on me and I'm getting on in years. I get that. Please though, give an old guy a break, especially on the bang-for-buck gear that I might actually be able to afford.
Bottom line: I really enjoy your videos. Cheers.
I appreciate it man. You know whats crazy? I purposefully slowed down my pace throughout the bulk of this video. You know what's even crazier? My friends in NYC say I speak extraordinarily slow! :D
Thanks for another awesome review.
Wish someday you could recommend some affordable Chinese tube amps too.
A few companies have approached me about it - to include China-HiFi. The problem is serviceability. I need assurances that there is somewhere that US customers can send the product for (under warranty) repairs - should it ever be necessary.
@@ZeroFidelity I understand, but not only for repair. Most importantly, electronic products always contain risks. Electric shock, house fire etc.. In case of accident, people can find the authority but not you.
Take care.
I like your reviews as always 👍
Any chance of reviewing the Dynaudio Evoke and Monitor Audio Silver bookshelfs anytime soon?
i forgot to comment when the video was uploaded so here i go:
a nice review of something different, i like it :)
a very pretty speaker for sure, no grills and pure drivers looks great, to bad the grills improved on the tweeter, would be nice if that was done in crossover.
I use raw driver from China for my car. Cost arnd 60 usd for a pair of full range and a pair of 6.5, jaw drop everywhere when they heard the price after auditioning the system
Thank you for the review. How do you think the combination of of the XTZ Edge A2-300 paired with these Paiyon P4 would be being fed from an Oppo UDP-205 as preamp/source? Also to note is that I am using a Rythmik Audio F12 subwoofer.
I bought the Sony SSCS5 3-Way and I love them my music sound great that said what does that tell you on the type of speakers I like ? Thanks Rick
I think you could do a whole channel reviewing chi-fi gear, but good luck not offending some major players. I'd love to see someone review more chi-fi gear (speakers, amps, cables, dacs, etc.) and take it apart to see if its legit or just fancy packaging. BTW, I own Primaluna and Line Magnetic (both built in china) and love them both.
hey Sean,the speaker you reviewed seeing sticker from the back its paiyon 4s but the link its paiyon 4.2,looking at alie express online store im not sure if its a different speaker physically but the 4.2 and 4s have different price,please clarify.thanks
They are differnet speakers. the normal P4 look different and cost, i think, over 500. Buy them at china-hifi-audio or better if you are in the US at Amazon.
Interesting review. Would have liked to hear a comparison between these and the Mistral LS3/5a's.
I think the Mistrals are the more natural sounding speakers. Particularly in the mids. The Paiyons are going to be a lot brighter, fuller range, and easier to drive.
Sean, what do you think of the Micca RB42? That's another speaker made and designed in China.
I have noooo idea. Haven't heard em'.
Other reviews are just all laughs and Giggles with it they love it
The MB is better
Very interesting. I bet they might sound good with my HH Scott 340B, or even my Allo Volt+ stepped attenuator, and a NOS DAC, or a turntable. I find it interesting that these are the most efficient speakers they sell. Even the big towers, and the 8 inch bookshelf speakers are less efficient. Their designs seem to be all over the map actually. Did you look at them? But hey, it sounds like they put out something that will give a serious taste of HiFi for very little money. I would love to know what the other one's they make sound like. Might be some real gems in there?
I can't do it right now, because it's getting to be about new car time. But otherwise I wouldn't hesitate to try these myself just for shits and giggles. Thanks to your snazzy review. 😁👍 I doubt I have trouble off loading them on Craigslist for at $250, or more, if kept them mint.
Thanks for the review man. It was damn good IMO. ✌️
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I just received a pair of Paiyon P4 speakers ( big brother to P4-2) a few days ago from China Hifi..I decided to purchase it based on your review of it's smaller brother. I currently have a pair of Triangle BR03's (also in part, based on your review..watching your channel is costing me money.. )They are excellent speakers but I prefer the Paiyons (but not by a large margin).The wood finish is beautiful and I found the highs less harsh on my ears. This is a clear and lively speaker. Well done .Plus cost about $200 Canadian less than the Triangles. Second product that I've purchased from China Hifi. If you don't mind waiting two months for the product, I think its a solid company .
After reviewing the Willsenton "Willi" R8, why dont you tell us the Paiyons sound pretty different and nice with tube amps!? 😀
Will try them later after i dryed my tears from listening the "Willi" and the P3ESR (not a perfect match but very close)
Hi Sean, just ordered myself the Loxjie A10. Will this Paiyon P4 be a good match for the A10 ?
You should try the Swan HiVi - DIY 2.2A (or 3.2) kit on amazon. They seem to have great components for the money and I don't see to many reviews. I think Z reviews has one.
Tim genardo , actually Zeos had several reviews on the Hi-Vi diy kits.
they are great and you cannot even buy the drivers for the cost of the kit. truly very good speakers for the money.
good comparison is the Klipsch RP 5 & 600s.
Paiyon also produces what looks like p3esr clones. Would be interested in how they sound
The styling even the company logo at bottom looks very similar to a pair of Dynaudio special 40's. Granted the veneer is original but I like it, nice looking set!
I have to admit, at the price quoted from China of just over $200 usd I may get a set. If it's free shipping even better.
If you pull the trigger, be sure to report on how you like em'.
Good review ! And if it is $200 not much to lose to try this. Seems well made... with tariffs the prices may go up...
Great review and scary...people will want to say "why by chinese made", but hey B&W are now having speakers made in china (under their supervision). Regardless the Chinese are learning. As these are bookshelf speakers, can you tell us what speakers from the Paiyon line would compatree to something like the B&W 805D's. Thx for the help.
I have a pair of the pans with a cambridge audio axa35 amp and they are great for the money. However the pans have one niggle which is the binding posts point up. This puts strain on the speaker cables at the joints. Also the speakers took a good month to settle in. Finally , and this could be my room, I found that they were at their best 4 feet from my seating position and that was about 6 feet from the rear wall - go figure!!!!
These are interesting to me securities for home theaters you think they Klipsch center channel repair up well?
Okay Z... in your opinion, which speaker or rank of speakers best reproduces PIANO? I am asking all you YT pros for advice. I mainly listen to Nordic jazz, cinematic and classical. Any thoughts?
Harbeth
I thought you might compare the B6.2 to the P4 considering they are both 6 1/2" woofers. What do you think?
I don't have the B6.2 on hand to make that comparison. I riffed about it in the comments below, as numerous people have asked.
Cool man, I'll try and find them. Also the P4 are down to $183.59 USD today lol.
@@brydon10 *throws hands up, then walks out the room*
Hi, will you do a review of the Martin Logan Vantage speakers?
Hi - new to the channel - enjoying the reviews, but, for a newbie, are there any (Web?) resources to help out with the explanation of the terms employed within such reviews? -'Imaging' / 'Mid-presence' / 'Bass focus' etc.. ?
(- of course, all such reviews are subjective, but has anyone ever actually sat down & attempted to decode such gnomic statements such as: "The low-end seemed
to be wrestling with the high; the mid then came out fighting.."
-OK - I made that last one up..
Thanks for the review ... now I'm decided...
Found these on taobao, yes real wood veneer, 18mm mdf and get this... USD142
Woot!
Too bad these don't appear to be available any longer - any word Sean if those were discontinued?
It's still being sold in China.
This is off the subject Sean. Tecton Impact Monitors. Saw it on front of another channel and didn’t watch it as I would rather see your review as I know I can trust you to be honest about it. Have a hard time trusting most reviewers, not you! I hope we will see you review this. I like the smaller speakers myself. It will be interesting if they are as good as their larger brothers. Looking forward to it!
So basically this is a far more Hiend resolving speaker that benefits from good equipment and good recordings over the 600m and p5. They both look toy like compared to the Paiyons. So the price is really the only indication its a budget speaker like those 2 but its not in practice, its not for the same buyer as the typical 600m and p5 casuals...and those drivers look like Moral drivers....this sounds like a seasoned veterans type of speaker not a novice audiophile..the Chinese love tube gear to, they are 90db bet they really sing with a push pull e84 or a single ended kt120-150 amp or a class A amp...😉
Hi Sean, Firstly love your show... Love to see a review on Paiyon P8 : ($482 ) The fascination here being it looks to be pretty much a Harbeth 30.1 ($6495) Clone.. Shares Same cabinet dimentions, same Driver Sizes (8" &1") Seas Drivers allegedly. Both use similar type MDF. Weight almost the same.. Crossover point is different 3.5 vs 2.9 KHZ. On the China-Hifi Audio site Paiyon talk about BBC Design. Looks a dead ringer as a clone of Harbeth 30.1(Which itself is a LS5/9 Clone ... How close does it get to the Holy Grail? Anyone heard the P8 ? Love to hear some feedback...
How would you say the Paiyons will match up with the Iota integrated amp???
Great review, it shows you don't have to spend truckloads of money to get good sound no matter where it comes from..They look great add a sub your done.
Bought it! Well it hurds a bit cause you were right, to many good speakers under 500. Will compare them to my Harbeth P3ESR and C7. There is a Habeth lookalike Copie of the M30 Monitor from Paiyon called P8. This would be interesting to compare to the original. Lokks like they use the same SEAS tweeter. All for less than 500 US.
so how are they?
@@AmbientWanderer Good, but i dont like it compare to BBC speakers ...different
Yeah well I have been looking at some of these Chinese sites and in addition to not knowing the stuff as we do from established brands (most don't have reviews) and the search function to find products .You are not certain to find better deals as well.Some stuff like Consonance is not that cheap though I did find Cayin to be cheaper than can be gotten here,-I was looking for a cheap half with CD with XLR is really difficult on not one but most of these sites it's a different world because if based in US/Europe they would not be able to move product.Weird if you ask me.
Is there a headphone amp that can be paired with a stereo receiver with a poor headphone output?
China is a rising hifi star, as in red star rising?
I've come to find that their products tend to be hit and miss - but when it's a hit, it's usually to the fences.
I have Chinese amps and i gotta say they are fantastic for the money, one $1500 the monos $3400 a pair, same sound quality level as JOB and similar "swiss" sound signature
So with shipping from the China site, it's the same price as Amazon ($329) Not seeing the $212 Amazon price. I was all in when i thought I could get for $200 from China, $329 still sounds like a great deal for these, but since I already have my KEF Q100's that I got for $300 delivered in late 2016 and since I'm also building up a pair of Carmody's Classix 2.5 floorstanding speakers (gonna be about $350 all in) I just can't spend another $300+ :-(
Interesting questions, maybe? Do you still feel the same about the Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers, for example, from a few years ago? Has your opinion improved, or worsened now that you’ve got a few years producing these videos behind you?
My opinion of the BS21 remains steadfast, neither improving or worsening through time. There isn't a single product that I feel differently about. I truly believe this is one of the benefits of reviewing products from a neutral perspective, as opposed to posting pure biased opinion pieces. It helps to keep the evaluation accurate and relevant as time moves forward.
Great review
How does it sound compared with Elac Debut 2.0 B62
Elac is warmer. A bit more balanced between the frequency extremes. Both have a good sense of scale. The Paiyons dig deeper. They also sound less edgy along the top end and are significantly more revealing and articulate sounding.
Wuaooo!!!
Thanks you
Don't seem to be available in the UK
You'll have to order from the first link if you're interested in getting a set.
compare to the elacs b6.2
Do they work for nearfield?
It depends on how nearfield we're talking. Desktop use? No. 3ft or closer? No. 4ft or beyond? Sure.
Can put near to wall?
The brand name is 派扬 in Chinese. No one buys it on one of the largest e-commerce sites jd.com for some reasons.
Can't tell the difference between wood and vinyl wrap? The pic on Amazon looks like cheap vinyl.
great...now I have to chose from the Elac 6.2 (87db 6 ohm) , Klipsch rp600 m ( 96db 8 ohm), Paiyon P-4.2 (90 db 4 ohm) ....SIR, what would be a great all-around choice to give me the biggest soundstage/images and best midrange...????
What kinda music do you listen to, and what kinda gear will you be using?
@@ZeroFidelity all types of music that are well recorded...Patrick O Hearn, Mars Lasar, Toto, New York Jazz Assembly, Holly Cole, Of Mice and Men, Leonard Cohen, Laura Fygi, Joe Sample, etc...Yamaha A S1000 integrated, DAC-it with Musical Fidelity VLink, great cables, and passive line conditioner....thanks
@@d.p.soniserr7426 - I think the PSB Alphas (P5's or T20's) will be best for you. Good imaging. Fantastic midrange. Plus, they should sound good with your current electronics. Strike the Elacs and Klipsch off your list. The Paiyons have the potential to make you very happy, but I'm unsure of how they will pair to your AS1000. That's all I got for ya!
@@ZeroFidelity thanks Sean...Chi-fi...almost ALL (only 98%)our gears are made in China, Vietnam, or Malaysia anyway...the Paiyon sounds inviting but I'm going to look into the PSBs....gracias & adios
@@ZeroFidelity by the way...when you say the Paiyons will dig deeper...do you mean deeper bass or very revealing razor sharp presentation ...or both?
It’s $183.65 today!
Please review Castle Knight II
Pair in wallnut on sale in germany. Thanks
So odd you're reviewing these....was just looking at them on Amazon yesterday!!
Noice!
@@ZeroFidelity Amazon shows not in stock, and not sure if/when they'll be available again
@@russellnowak3941 Hmm. I believe a couple were in-stock right before I posted this review.
China HiFi says it's $330 for a pair.
Thanks for the update, Brydon. It was listed as $201.95/pair as of three hours ago. I also checked the price before filming the review earlier today. I wish this adjustment would have been made *BEFORE* my review went live.
No worries man. Who knows where the price will be at tomorrow! Thanks for the reviews - keep up the good work.
It's $183.59 per pair at 15:37 (CA time) on 17 April 2020 .
They look like some weird first gen axiom speakers with dyna ish appearance... But look very cheap like axiom
Luke Jorgenson
Not at all
I'm in the hunt for two pairs of speakers for my ht. Even though they technically exceed my budget the fact that they come from China helps quite a bit (cheaper than importing from the US) so I thought I might go for them as they seem to be worth it but atm they're $330 on the Chinese website so.. not what I'd call "just a hair above $200". Too thick of a hair for my pocket =/
The price was adjusted after my review went live. It's frustrating, but there's nothing I can do about it. At least the price is now even.
@@ZeroFidelity I figured that's what they did. I was checking their website and most use Timphany drivers but I can't tell what they're using for the P4, do you know whether they're Timphany as well?
Btw I'm loving your reviews and the honesty in them, keep it going 👍
is this better than Usher?
Mine are for sale. Germany Berlin😀 Walnut, like new. 20 hours.
Lookswise it has this buchardt s300 thing going on...
I get Dynaudio flashbacks somehow.
What does this mean? Are dynaudios crap? Serious question.
@@vix633 More a very stark styling influence.
@@mankepoot9440 ah yeah,for sure. The driver/tweeter/cabinet look identical
Are the Peyon 4 6 or 8 ohms?
Specs in the link. 4 Ohm nominal impedance. 90dB sensitivity. They seem pretty easy to drive to be honest. Nearly as efficient as the Klipsch.
@@ZeroFidelity love the fact you made a counterpoint to the RP-600.
I’m really interested to see how the resale value shakes out. Trust is huuuge factor. This company owes u BIG time!
This is what I don’t get. Reviewer says speaker sounds like 1k-2k speaker but doesn’t say what speaker or offer comparison to Harbeth P3ESR or Buchardt....then compares it to a $550 speaker and a $350 speaker and the chinese speakers aren’t a clear winner. 🤷🏻♂️
Ok. So this reviewer is going to answer that question for you: On good gear and with good recordings, the P5's can in some ways compete with the Buchardt S300's or the Totem Acoustic Sky's. Let's focus on the Buchardt comparison first. It'll sound more lively than the S300's (albeit not as smooth), a bit more revealing in the midrange (although not as full/warm - particularly in the upper mids), and have a bit more dynamic slam (at the expense of the low-end gravitas of the S300). The resolution is on par with the S300's. The S300's are a bit easier to work with and are far more giving of poor recordings. Now let's talk about how they stack up to the Totem Acoustic Sky:
Overall, both speakers reside on the forward side of neutral - featuring a spiked up top end and a thin sounding upper midrange. The Sky has a few distinct advantages. It's quicker, lays down a wider soundstsage, is a bit more tonally accurate, and a bit more resolute than the Paiyon. The Paiyons larger size allows the speaker to deliver a fuller sense of scale along with stronger, deeper bass output. The Paiyon also seems to be slightly more forgiving of poor recordings and less critical of room placement.
Thank you!
Try selling this on Audiogon 3 years from now... plenty of good speakers in the $300-350 from reputable firms with better resale.
Most speakers at this price will drop significantly in value after 3 years. I'm talking 60-70% off of MSRP, assuming the gear is in good condition. Doesn't matter if its from a 'reputable' firm or not. The only difference here is that it may take longer for you to sell off your speakers at a loss than with the others.
Resale? In reality the cheaper the speaker is, the better its resale.. These Paiyon's at $300 , if you sold them 2 yrs later for $100 ($200 drop) you haven't lost anything for heavens sake... You have had $200 worth out of them!... Try buying a $2,000 speaker and see how you go getting $1,800 2 years later (Good Luck !) You will rip up $1,000 .
Same as the resale on a Toyota will be far better than a Mercedes or Lamborghini... At the bottom end of the market you get "More than you pay for".. Middle of market: You get what you pay for.. Top end of Market.. Basically a rip off , not playing the ' value for money card' You pay 500% more for for a 5% improvement. But the Rich can afford it and with that comes the Bragging Rights and the prestige of the badge... but it is not value for money.. The Paiyon clearly is ...
there dearer models are very good these guys are serious about audio
For under $350? NHT super ones. Dayton audio. paradigm atoms. Not sure the Paiyon are up to that level of performance.
Pretty sure they are and then some.
Oh Shoot Peyon VS Klipsch
They almost look like dynaudio speakers
I'll stick with my Emotiva T1's for 498 bucks. Of course, because of Trump and his tariffs, the price goes up in July 1st by 25 percent. 630 is till worth it though.
looking for a review about speakers I can easy get as I live in Asia. but half of what he says sounds like chinese to me :D
review Vandersteen 1Ci's please
Compare this to Q Acoustics 3050i s pls. Just $299 a pair shipped and lot of rave reviews you would know already. I have a pair and the center and for the money they are very very good.
Why don't reviewers just play some music through them and us hear for ourselves? such a basic thing to do.