If you want to check the Aikido Extensions Course check this link: academy.aikidojournal.com/p/Aikido-Extensions . Also, if you checked it out yourself, let me know what you think about it in the comments.
Martial Arts Journey awesome. I'm glad to see you like this video from Sensei Bookman too. Good news by the way. Found a Aikido school I like near me. Finally get to train again. Thanks for the videos Rokas. -your pal Troy.
One thing i found that work very nice with hikido is defending from real life bullies. Against untrained peoples that like to make fun of you the aikido works very well becouse it doesn't hurt anyone and make you appear in control of the situation. I trained AiKiDo when i was young and it realy worked in those real life scenarious. It helps to take the distance. Against angry and aggressive peoples, that want to seriously hurt you, aikido is not that usefull i believe.
It's great that you are reevaluating your art and you are trying to modernize. When I was a kid, I took Aikido and we incorporated a lot of strikes, lower leg kicks and Judo grappling moves. Our Sensei worked closely with the Seattle PD so we got real world feedback on what worked and what didn't. I guess he was way ahead of his time in having a more complete education. My classes were done in the 1970's and I'm surprised that things never moved in that direction sooner.
I’m happy to see other Aikido practitioners expanding their horizons. It was the first martial art I picked up, and while it will always have sentimental value I found that it was incomplete-but it works surprisingly well with Wrestling and Muay Thai.
This is still only compliance. This still shows the whole issue with aikido. I’m all for him trying to modify and improve aikido... but seriously drop the compliant 2 man forms stuff... it’s the entire reason Aikido has not proven to have any practicality. This is not pressure. They stop and pause after a punch... that’s not realistic.
Telling and showing are not the same thing... I didn't see ONE SINGLE clip of doing anything without compliance. It's still a student throwing himself and cooperating.
This is pretty disingenuous considering that in any combat sport or martial art you practice techniques will always be demonstrated with a compliant partner. I would like see this stuff under pressure as well, but even combat sports don't entirely "drop the compliant 2 man forms stuff" since that's nothing more than the demonstration of a technique.
What are you talking about? No one complied with me in kickboxing as I don't remember anyone letting me hit them ;) BJJ is certainly not a compliant MA as I learned from numerous rolling sessions when training. I can tell you in combat sports there is NO COMPLIANCE. You put on the gloves and spar and learn from getting hit or grab onto your partner and fight for dominant position. None of this "attack and stop" nonsense. :P
Nothing is practical until you do it on someone clearly resisting. As soon as he blocks the person stops... show me a single street fight or cage fight where that ever happens. Last I checked people keep swinging or do something else the second their punch is blocked. They don't stand there frozen. Also even Rockas asked for video of something wrist lock throwing someone with resistance. Still no video about it. Meaning it only works when someone lets you. As I learned myself the hard way when grappling. Keysi has the same compliance nonsense... guys just stand there :P Here is all I can take from this. Until there is sparring footage demos should be dismissed unless the intention is just entertainment (as a fight choreographer I appreciate that aspect). Don't claim self defense until you can show it being used in actual sparring... and against people that know what they are doing. Until then it hasn't earned it's place to be taken seriously. It's that simple.
I am deeply indebted, like Roy Dean sensei, for my initial inspiration to cross-train coming from Bruce Bookman sensei back in 2005. I think this video series will be a great first step for others as well who wish to begin a cross-training / evolutionary journey. I wish there had been more alive sparring here as a way of validating the technique choices (not just cooperative jiyuwaza). I find setting things up in the clinch with Wrestling, Judo, JiuJitsu is very important as part of evolving in a functional direction.
I find it dangerous that aikido is marketed as self defense as it is completely ineffective. This is a big step forward. However if any of this worked you would see it in competition already.
Most hip throws are also Aikido techniques; we see hip throws in the UFC The burmese elbow toss in Muay Thai is also an Aikido technique (it's not called the same thing but the fundamentals are the same) Catching the kick and dumping them on their back is an Aikido technique; that's in Muay Thai, Karate, GJJ, etc Wristlocks are used as submissions effectively in BJJ; Aikido has a more comprehensive system of wristlocking than BJJ does. All BJJ wrist locks are in Aikido but not all Aikido wristlocks are in BJJ, and I'd argue the three best wristlocks in all of martial arts are in Aikido, but not in BJJ (Nikkyo, Sankyo and Kotegaeshi). BJJ mostly uses either Tekubi gatame (gooseneck) which is okay, but not great, or the cowhand, which is also okay, but not great. The reason BJJ guys get the submission is because their position is strong; and that's the number one reason BJJ guys tend to defeat most other martial arts (position before submission) The standing arm break in MMA by Aoki is an Aikido technique, even though Aoki did not train in Aikido The main thing keeping Aikidoka out of the octagon is a lack of realism during training, and secondarily the fact that there aren't really unarmed "attack" techniques in Aikido. Every unarmed attack in Aikido is a counter, so without attacks, pure Aikidoka might not stand a chance. But there have been successful Aikidoka who were also pro fighters; Jason Delucia (of UFC and pancrase fame) is the easiest example of this, also Dan Theodore.
dude the most important thing you lern in "self-defence/martial-arts" is falling, rolling and steppig aside you don´t defend yourself in the street against MMA-champions you evade big, drunk bitches with low self-esteem
Great stuff. Unrelated: Sparring doesn't actually make you better. Sparring just teaches you how to compete. My wrestling coach in high school used to always say that drilling techniques intensely but with control was better than live rolling. When all you do is live rolling, the group members who are less experienced don't get enough chance to practice new techniques because their attempts to apply the new tech they just learned will get stuffed. The group members who are more experienced just keep winning, so they're not really challenging themselves. Drilling with intensity is best for the whole group to keep getting better. Do some live sparring too, but it shouldn't be the main focus.
The framework I've been shown (which works in a variety of learning secnarios) is as follows: 1. Memorization 2. Integration 3. Application The idea is that each step is a learning process that you iterate on; once you think you've got as much as you can out of that step, you move onto the next step, to test your understanding. Inevitably, you'll find some flaw or weakness in your understanding, so you take it back to the previous step and improve on it. For martial arts, this usually can be broken down (roughly) into "solo form work, interactive 2-person drills, and sparring". (Obviously, you'll also use solo work to integrate additional combos and flow techniques into your style as well.) As such, most of your time will be spent in solo work - this is your work you do at home, getting your reps in on a bag or whatever. In class, you'll be either learning solo drills, or doing mostly 2-person drills to improve technique. And maybe once a week you'll spar for 10 minutes or so.
Sparring does make you better, because it helps you to understand how to apply formal techniques outside of the form, but Aikido sparring will look different than Karate sparring, different than Judo sparring, different than BJJ sparring (even though at least one Aikido technique can be viably applied in each of those rulesets) and in my opinion, different than Tomiki/Shodokan sparring (I think Shodokan sparring is still reducing Aikido and there can be a viable ruleset for sparring that does not reduce Aikido, only that nobody has formalized the ruleset yet).
I'd personally disagree, while drilling is important in my experience you also have to do sparring to understand how to effectively apply the techniques you learned from drilling. I'd argue having an equal balance of the two would make for the better overall results. However I'm not a sensei (and thus this is just my personal opinion without much backing it up) and that might also come as a difference between the two systems since you referenced wrestling and I practice Karate.
Sensei Bookman is fantastic martial artist preserving Aikido's traditions. If you want a different, and also effective application of aiki technique ( in MMA/Fighting application), seek out Dan Harden
I really enjoyed this video. I'm really glad to hear your thoughts on how this is a way of dealing with an attacker using Aikido, not the only way. Question since I probably won't get the seminar: how much of the Aikido techniques are unnecessary add ons to a combo, e.g. where you jse some boxing skills to defend the strikes, bjj to close and clinch and then finish with an Aikido wristlock when you could've just finished with knees or a double leg?
It looks like he uses the outside arm bar in most stuff this is position 1 of functionality. You can go over the arm or under the arm with the front hand. He reverses the hand with tenken, irimange, with the structure he has built with the outside arm bar you can just parry the arm with the forward hand and omit that sequence of having to move to the rear leg. Also if you move from a traditional lockup position from wrestling you can slide into a over underhook and essentially be back into the position 1 setup. Working from the outside arm bar is crucial to making any nei jia, dao system work. The reason why is the 18 Ararat hands is the base technique. It is entirely striking and moves from one outside gate to the other, I could make several full length movies on just how that one system is constructed and most arts that move around the circle have it strung into them in one form or another because it is where kung-fu comes from.
There is more than one way to enter the techniques. I keep saying walk the circle. Put your opponent in the middle of the circle place your hand over the center of an x on the floor and walk around your hand then imigine that you just threw a test jab and your opponent checked it. This is your bridge you turn into the opponent and grab his arm and walk the bridge into him like the guy in your video then you turn your aikido techniques on from the familiar bridge. It's the same animal as your jujitsu, you establish a dominant position, and put some screws into your opponent. Remember that martial arts is a sophisticated study of fighting all things considered it's about learning things.
So... It looks like a cleaner, more efective versiom of the "combat aikido" dvds by jason delucia(an aikidoka who fought in mma and even won a few times)
So more Jason Delucia stuff? This still seems like it won't work if it's going after that ideal, but I haven't seen the DVD so I can't really comment. But if you already do BJJ and Boxing, why would you need Aikido? Isn't that intentionally taking the difficult option when you have two already easy ones? Also, isn't it easy to show off faster technique when you know what's coming, even if the jab is realistic, if you know it's coming you just have to react faster.
Mohseen Lala well, i learned some wristlock throws from subakdo, and some "punch catching" techniques too... And i aplied them in both self defense and fights... I even did one to a boxer... So, i think even if it is the harder move... It is still a valid move to train... Why learn the tornado kick or any other powerful but hard to pulloff kick if you know how to do a roundhouse kick? Its still a martial ART, the artistic aspect shouldnt be forgoten... Also, the videos by jason start with him teaching super basic stuff like footwork or how to intercept a punch with youre forearm, then explain the locks, then explains how to combine the 2 for a throw, and then he does some sparing, where a guy who seems to be his student tries to fight him and he just defends himself and toss him arround like a ragdoll and beat him on the ground... And he does that in every video... But each video goes more into detail to nee texhniques... Adds how to attack, hiw to fight on the ground, etc... Its a very slow and very biring series that you can find in youtube if you want to... It has 1 or 2 things that seem to be good and maybe 5 or 6 that are kinda practical in very sñecific situations... And then there are things that i wouldnt try even on a willing partner because it doesnt look even possible... But i still recomend watching it, with someone to practice with, and try some stuff
@@boxing.ascetic believe me, its not even half as hard as people think! Catching a punch not like catching a bullet... Its more like catching an arrow... You don nead to catch the srroe head... Just the arrow... Same with the punch, the whole arm is there for. Catching
@@boxing.ascetic allright, so you are a thai fighter, who knows boxing and muay thai... Tell me... How many times have you catched a kick? Did you know that kicks can achieve speeds higher to punches in many cases? What makes you think that catching punches id impossible? Try this, lower your left hand a little and keep the right up... Step back every time they throw a punch leaning slightly back... They will start throwing wider punches... When the pinch is wide enough for you to clearly see it comming, move your right hand to the left side of your head and "clap" with your left...you will trap the punch between both hands... You will not have your fingers out for a precise jointlock takedow... But you can transition into a "whizer throw" from there... Thats my favorite way of doing it... Altho i got that move from playing arround with sumo techniques... In sumo its called "kote nage"
@@boxing.ascetic also, itd not uncommon to see them do it agsinst a palmthrust... Wich id basically a similar thing to a strsight punch... Altho, they are usually slower but with much more momentum behind them...
A popular military maxim states: 'No plan survives first contact with the enemy' ... as people practicing a supposedly 'martial' art, we'd best not lose sight of that principle. Adding, taking away, modifying and extending techniques really does not address the most important issues which of course are pressure, resistance and non-compliance. Adding those aspects authentically to training makes the original Aikido techniques existence in whatever the application form has evolved into often irrelevant anyway. There are exceptions to this such as in law enforcement and military scenarios for example, where there may be some level of existing compliance, support from others, equipment and specified rules of engagement. Scientifically speaking, when we change something too far off from it's original form, it becomes another species entirely... What the Extensions guy is doing with his modifications is admirable, but is it really Aikido at all anymore? These composite forms have been around forever and are definitely nothing new. In the post war period, they were usually some amalgam of Judo, Aikido and Karate. Even the Aikido founder combined and modified many arts that he learned but his unique approach was clearly designed to promote Shinto religion and world peace rather than martial prowess. Have a look here at Toichi Kohei (one of his senior students and international promoters) engaging in resistive sparring with a challenger and tell me if it resembles Aikido in any way... th-cam.com/video/IedNBqcG0S4/w-d-xo.html (sparring begins at 19:31 in the video, 'Rendezvous With Adventure') Note that Tohei had extensive training in Judo for many years before he met the Aikido founder.
Kenwa Mabuni and other police officers learned some from Aikido Ueshiba and Mabuni returned to him 2 karate kata and some technics still trainained in shito ryu dojos. Some aspect of Aikido also incorporated in fight but Aikido not did fight the same way that is interesting.
Aikido was what samurai did when their swords were locked or they were grappling with a sword. That was their bridge to effective aikido. To make it work you need a bridge against striking hands and feet. Taichi uses push hands for this but eventually you need to practice with a striker. If a wrestler can do it any style can.
I’ve seen your aikido when you were doing it, what you call “traditional aikido” is not really traditional Aikido in way how the founder ueshiba taught it. Without being disrespectful to others who practice it that’s how I see it
What is your opinion on Dan the Wolfman. He is a professional fighter who uses Akido, Wing Chun and other traditional and un orthodox Martail Arts moves in live sparring.
@@royalstorage2178 I think the traditional and unorthodox Martail Arts moves work for Dan because (and by his own admition) Dan already had a strong base in Wrestling and BJJ and Boxing and Muay Thai and Kick Boxing, before studying these more traditional as well as these more exotic/or unorthodox and flashy Martail Arts that we tend to scoff at these days.
I wonder... If someone did the year long aikido course that japanese riot police does, does tomiki aikido to get a feel of competitive settings, did the s. P. E. A. R system... follow jason delucia "combat aikido" series(he is an mma fighter who does aikido) then does this one... And finally does the wimp to warrior thing... How much aikido would end up in his style? Since the first one is great on conditioning and pain resistence, the second one is the only one with competitive setting, if that person does the jason delucia thing and this one (both have more or less the same concepts for what ive seen... But jason is more "traditional") all that training, mental preparation and pressure testing... Would any of it translate into mma?
We did almost the same, our sensei called it "street Aikido" and helped me. And our dojo, the teachers often are masters in different martial arts, and they teach us different techniques and tricks from other styles. To the point of been hit, I got hit several times, broken nose, to slow to get away, sprained ankle, couldn't role. You are defenitly right to this point. Sub for these videos and sorry for grammar mistaces, my english isn't the best.
If you want something to be functional, compete in mma like rule or even free fight. Rules are made to reduce injury and fatality hence practicing with those restrictions reduce functionality. The arts initially were created for those kind of situation. You don't need to increase muscle if your style doesn't require you to do so. See where your style can bring you and find all the applications in each form. Every MA practitioner need to experience in more realistic situation, not just demo speed and pause. Nobody fights in demo speed, that's just sitting duck.
Thank you for making this video and promoting one of my teachers and friend Bookman Sensei. You're right about a lot of what you have taken from his course. Most of his aikido is of the same lineage I am from. My sensei is a good friend of Bookman too. They all started at the New York Aikikai back in the late 60's/70's, a school where I train half of the time. Along with Stickles Sensei (R.I.P.) they were like the 3 Musketeers in those days. I understand your frustration with aikido. But I think in an environment where you're encouraged to evolve your aikido into something unique for you, it can become something very useful. That's how it is in our lineage. Maybe not in the cage but are people getting into any martial arts to compete in professional fighting? Are you trying to be a professional fighter? If not, then what's it to you if it works against MMA or not? Your focus should be, in any real-world situation, to defend and getaway, right? Aikido is great for that. If you don't believe me, ask Bruce Bookman Sensei. Now I don't know anything about your aikido background, not the information that matters. And there are very intricate details in that information. But I surely know from watching your MMA match that it's not the kind of aikido I'm accustomed to. You and others would say, "... didn't get to use any aikido." I disagree. You were looking for a grab instead of just doing the one thing they teach us at the beginner level, which is getting out of the way. Sometimes, I saw you could've but you chose to engage, fighting his fight. Like I said in another comment I made on one of your other videos, you fought his fight on his turf. I, personally, wouldn't even try. What the hell am I doing in the cage if I'm not trying to be a professional fighter? I would love to spar but sparring for me would be to evolve my aikido. This, to me isn't sparring unless you want to be a UFC fighter. Don't let these aikido haters gas you up. Aikido isn't a waste of time as a self-defense art. If it was, Bookman Sensei would've given it up a long time ago, just like many BJJ practitioners who train aikido in my dojo. You should try another style of aikido or another federation? Give it some thought.
This is much better than traditional Aikido. But what makes it better is in contradiction with what makes Aikido. All MA share some stuff. But to make Aikido effective it needs to loose the core Aikidoness. Therefore Aikido doesn’t work as a fighting technique.
there is really only one true way to be effective, and that is to talk to the person who is picking on you (as a distraction), then hit them first (so practice striking very hard) , while they are still recovering use an aikido technique. If you practice waiting to get hit first, then you have all ready lost.
Life, Garden & Hapkido never heard about live sparring. Like getting your ass handed to you everyday for an hour for 5-6 years until you don't suck so much. I bet in that point you can beat the shit out of any common thug even if you are 60.
Life, Garden & Hapkido yeah there's like tons of bjj black belts who roll and compete even after 60. I wouldn't say it's delusional. And those guys are like monsters still. Even i know few.
Thanks for the "heads-up" on Sensei Bookman's take on Aikido. But I'm wondering has concept of "KI" in Aikido been lost forever? Is KI no longer an essential concept except for those "traditionalists" whose "martial art" works beautifully in the dojo, but when confronted with a "pressure tested" situation, becomes only a "Fantasy" or "Fake" Martial Art on the street? Is O- Sensei rolling in his grave?
Darren, I would venture a guess that you have never had an Aikido technique applied to you or you would know why he was compliant. I'm not arguing the fact that most of Aikido is not likely to work but if a technique is applied properly then you would comply or be greatly injured.. That is a fact.
I like ti think aikido is an amaxing art but like I dont feel that the system alone isnt enough but is like an amazing supplement to a system I feel that aikido should get back the the japanese jujitsu roots which was a complete system where as aikido is a fraction
No serious martial artist or Aikidoist expects the street to be the same as the dojo. A dojo is for learning and " playing" at violence or confrontation. Whereas the street is life.
I respect you man your breakdown videoes are not just professional but i really enjoy them but im sorry its not functional akido that exists here but boxing thats less efficient in a real fight the throws the crazy things that akido shows you to do dont work and so the only part of this martial art ends up being the part that is essentially boxing other than that the rest of the moves thrown in to make it different to boxing man. Even judo's throws are hard to pull of in a fight and akidos throws are just downright naive and in the end this id always recommend learing judo over akido usually with bjj thrown in. If your into the punches (which you should be because basically no street fight has no punches in them) id also recommend boxing maybe with mma training or even taking kickboxing. Regrettably all i can say about this new form of akido is that is the same choreographed dancing original akido is
I dont know if this is aikido that is truly functional or if its just an online course called "functional aikido". All i saw on his website was a few still photos (just like NINJA! Magazine used to do) and an option to buy his course for like 80 bucks. Im subscribed to at least 50 channels each with hundreds of free videos of things that i KNOW work, FOR SURE, because theyve been proven in competition. If you want to buy this gentlemans online course on faith then great! Please let me know what you think of it. Im 100% willing to bet that his students are better prepared than the majority of aikido students from other dojo, but i will want to see some actual sparring before i would spend money or form an opinion.
I was thinking about recommending this "course" to you. When I saw your videos addressing you interest in practical "combat' application of aikido I applauded your interest and quest. On the other hand, I feel that your dropping Aikido would be, in the long term a big mistake. I have been doing Aikido a little over three times as long as you did. I have learned more and faster in the past ten years or so than in the previous 40 years. Check out the following if you can. Dan Hardin and Ellis Amdur's just released revised edition of "Hidden in Plain Sight". You are probably throwing out the baby with the bath water. And, there is a lot of bath water that is not really helping anyone. Please continue your quest, just do not abandon what is truely valuable before you have gotten there. Robert A. Haynes, Ph.D. 5th dan
How many times does someone have to point out that it's NOT the System that is at fault, but the people practising it. ALL traditional Martial arts have functional combat value embedded within them ( Aikido Included). It depends on whether one is able to study deeply enough with the right people, to understand where that particular system fits into the conflict interaction in order to discern what kind if tool they are ,and for what purpose is the system optimally designed. Once you know that, you know everything. No system is complete. NO, not even BJJ or MMA. Unfortunately many , including yourself MR Rakas, slag off on traditional arts such as Aikido purely on the basis that they are not BJJ or MMA. ...which is ridiculous.
If you want Akido to work and be of use! You have to learn other skills! I have followed the sport of mma from the start. I have seen first hand arts exposed as useless early on in the UFC, come full circle and have some of the weapons and even some of their students have success. There is 2 groups of arts. 1 is the art that is very effective on its own. BJJ, wrestling, boxing, Thai boxing, etc. 2. Is arts that need other arts to create a situation where the art can have a chance at success. Karate and TKD were considered useless as early as UFC one. As the sport evolved. We started seeing weapons start working that didn’t work before. Common moves to mma today like head kicks and jabs. Once strikers can stay on their feet longer with wrestling training and not get beat on the ground with BJJ training. They were able to spend more time striking. Now setting up head kicks were possible and wearing people down with jabs had a purpose. Before that, you might only get one strike off before being taken down and losing. So you had to make the strike count. Jab won’t end the fight and a high kick was to high risk/low success rate. Once you can assure you have the defense to not get beat. Then you have all the time in the world to throw any weapon you want in theory. So if you have wrestling and BJJ and striking defense. It would allow you to throw Aikido moves and maybe land them effectively or find out how to set them up to make them work. Aikidos problem in my mind is even if one can make it work. It’s not the most efficient way to look at it. It’s like training TKD. With he right skills it has weapons that can work. But it isn’t more practical than Thai boxing or Dutch kickboxing. So anything than can be made to work from Aikido is in other arts with way more effective moves need less help to make work. Other arts also don’t have the self defense mindset and lack of athletic students that are a cancer to fighting arts. Self defense is part of the martial art con man system to keep from getting exposed and to appeal to weak, scared, unskilled kids who are bullied. Which means you are pulling from a very weak pool of people and then pushing a mindset that is counter productive in fighting! Offense is also a good defense and using the term self defense only creates a victim mentality. Where everyone in the art is just waiting to be a victim before ever testing themselves and hoping it never happens. That mentality doesn’t exist in fighters or the most effective arts. That doesn’t mean they go pick fights either.
What ueshiba,did was an evolution and innovation in martial arts for his time but only relevant to his time in Buddhism nothing is permanent will evolve and adjust over time aikido evolved from daito ryu aikijujitsu aikido will evolve and modernize or it will fade away gradually you can be both traditional and modern and still maintain your core ethos of your martial art it is not unethical for you aikidoka to train in a manner that,prevents them from being harmed while at the same time maintaining a certain level which can lead to the harm against the attacker being minimized you can begin with traditional drills and techniques but move on to semi free to free sparring or randori then self defense scenarios with a degree of realism
According to Urban Accolyte the history of tai-chi, the masters of the art already knew how to fight in other forms of combat. Taichi was just an accessory to their fighting style not the core. Aikido might be the same. It isn’t fit for a base, but rather an extension.
It was. All of the original students were high degree black belts in other arts. They came to Aikido to finish their martial arts training, not to start it.
mike scott 👍This point should be highly stressed to aikido, or any tma practitioners where sparring is often rare. If the goal is to fight, learn a base combat oriented style that usually spars and competes ex)Karate, Boxing, Wresting,Jiu-Jitsu,Judo, etc. Once the fundamentals are in place then learn Aikido. The techniques will make more sense and can be applied in live scenarios, and even if they don’t you’ll still have something to rely on.
There was also a philosophical component. A very skilled fighter might, for spiritual purposes, begin working at making their fighting less physically damaging to their opponent. Those were the philosophical ideas around the founding of the style.
Honestly Aiko could be effective in certain scenarios like if they taught hard counter punching after a single parry. Even then I think it's way too reactionary to be effective. Fake a punch and shoot a double and I doubt any aikido practitioner could stop it. Also they would train such bs techniqie to stop a double leg you could knee tap fake takedown to uppercut and what are they going to do. Aikido looks nice but will never be practical.
Nope, still not working and looking like aikido. And that's the problem: When people try to make it 'functional' it loses the look Ueshiba gave it. Meaning they're throwing out what Ueshiba put in (aka throw out what isn't useful). Judo doesn't have this problem. The form of judo manifests in its functioning. Aikido loses that (and this version loses it too). At the same time, try this on a kendoka and see if it'll work. There will be a big gulf between vs unarmed and muto dori, not to mention sword vs sword. Aikido, as Ueshiba demonstrated it, has very similar approaches in these 3 aspects. It is no wonder that yoko men uchi is included in aikido striking, it's the stand-in of a sword cut. If your response to yoko men uchi is very different to your response to a kesa-giri, you're not training aikido properly. And if in the process of "functionality" you can't make this response work and just throw it out, are you really doing aikido?
Which is fine and dandy if you go about your day wearing a dress, but if you don't, you're getting accustomed to being able to hide your lower body movements in the gym, while you can't in the real world.
Nope, the purpose of hakama is to cover your privates and legs for modesty. Seriously, it's like asking what is the purpose of the skirt and giving it a very esoteric reason.
Rokas, peace be with you, I have much respect for you and the honest journey you're upon. If I may be so bold let me assert that functional Aikido exists and it's called Daito Ryu Aiki-Jujutsu, the functional self-defense/weapon retention art that Morehei Ueshiba trained in under Sokaku Takeda sensei prior to his renouncement of violence, joining a pacifist cult and creating a physical exercise program he used as a venue for sharing his post war pacifist convictions with the world. O'sensei Ueshiba himself said Aikido was not created for fighting but rather the physical techniques of aikido was for exercise only and the art was a way to reconcile the world and bring people together in peace. Yet many Aikidoka fail to understand the teachings and intentions of Morehei Ueshiba's ai ki do and attempt to modify or change Ueshiba's vehicle for bringing people together in mutual exercise to reconcile the world and promote peace and make it a functional fighting art when all they need to do, if combat or self defense is their goal, is to stop training Ai Ki Do and begin training Daito Ryu Aiki-JuJutsu...That being said, Steven Seagal sensei created a combative form of Ai Ki Do by blending his karate background with his Aikido background to create Tenshin Bugei Gakuen. He's since evolved his Tenshin Bugei Gakuen art by incorporating principles from other arts he's studied, including Sam Kwok Wing Tsun boxing, Karate, Judo, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, Kendo, Shitō-ryū and Daito Ryu Aiki-Jujutsu. In his school they train full contact randori against multiple attackers. Despite being 66yrs old he still teaches. He gave an excellent class on functional aikido not long ago in Russia. You should try to contact Seagal sensei or just include Daito Ryu Aiki-JuJutsu into your regimen.
Bla bla bla , how about if this guy who attacks but after he jabs he turn his hand back very quickly or tricking him with the "wrong hand" punch , and the old guy who try to make aikido functional is dead.
Like, if you've been practicing Aikido for some time and your technique is really on point, this is the next step IMO. I think Aikido can be useful, it just hasn't been pressure tested in a long time (like, hundreds of years I mean). This course adresses lots of things but more importantly, it opens a mindset that's not "allowed" in Aikido, the BJJ mindset of "constantly evolving this thing." An evolving Aikido community (not an stagnant one, like the one we have now) would have been coming up with solutions to most teached MMA-related techniques. It's bogus to train how to disarm a guy who's gonna kill you with his katana, but it's nice to see people coming up with Aikido-based solutions for when you're trapped in a thai clinch. That's cool.
Well, since he ended up abandoning aikido altogether and completely switching to MMA and BJJ, I guess that he realized that aikido is just impossible to fix without it not being aikido anymore.
Most of what we see in the video, and considered to be effective, is ju jitsu, and not aikido. ISo the inability to distinguish what is aikido and what is ju jitsu (done in effective way or not like in the most of the schools) it is what will always mislead you. Aikido is not the move, is not ikkyo, is not the punch (and in aikido you can and must punch and kick because the founder did it), is not the irimi nage but is HOW you perform it, with aiki or not. Then you can use the strategies and the techniques that you want, even a double leg takedown or a o soto gari. But you perform it with aiki, which uses a completely different mindset and body organization. Aiki is not what you do to the other, is what you do to yourself and how you organize yourself! When you consider the leverage and the best point to place yourself to have an advantage, this is only just ju jitsu, but even if this ju jitsu works, is not aiki yet. So Roka, when you fail with what you call your aikido, in reality you are just using ju-jitsu techniques, but without any realistic training that makes you understand the weak point of the opponent, the right positioning, everything that basically a wrestler or a judoka know. It's your low level ju jitsu (which you don't even know that you are practicing) which fails, not your aikido, because to speak about aikido you should have aiki, but you don't have it and it's visible even when you train with normal ukes.
You understand the issue Pasquale. No Aiki, no real fighting experience.I understand Rokas disappointment because traditional Aikido will not function on the street as such. However, there is a level of Aiki that always works, but it is devastating! Not many people know that that exists. They never got to that level and never will.
Congratulations you have discovered Mixed martial arts. Some Aikido is usefull in a fight. That's it. Its been demonstrated over and over again that its not an effective art. Its not worth the time commitment to learn it .Take whats usefull leave the rest.
There must be a cat around that you're allergic to or something. Stop filming, get your nose situation sorted out, then talk in front of a camera. I can forgive one or two little scratches but man, you were just at your nose through the whole video.
1. "x is what I study" is not a valid conclusion from the the premise that "I study x." There is a very strong probability that x includes much that you have never studied. 2. If the founder of an art says that 90% of that art is atemi (striking) and you have never studied atemi, then it is highly probable that you have limited yourself to a maximum of only 10% of that art. 3. The word "tradition" does not normally mean "what I grew up with, and am familiar with." Learn to respect the grandfathers/grandmothers. 4. Are you really offering something novel, or are you recreating something that has already been developed through several iterations elsewhere and are merely hoping to gain a marketing benefit by hopping onto someone else's bandwagon? I am sorry that you have grown up in a society that seemingly abhors reason. Buck the trend and use yours. There is sufficient good information already on this thread (among the much more prevalent bs) to move you forward. Do you want to deepen your understanding of aikido, or even just broaden it? Look into Tomiki, Yoshinkan or Yoseikan. Deepen it further? One of the forms of aiki-jutsu. Aiki is in most koryu. And the same false claims of exclusivity or special knowledge, and the same kinds of fallacious reasoning will pop up everywhere you look. Wish you the best.
Do these combat aikido and tomiki aikido even work against a decent MMA fighter? If so, then looking is just a waste of time. Seriously, who attacks with a knife like that if he wants to kill someone?
Too much talking and not much action in this vid. You talk so interestingly so I expect to see something but it's not coming - just talking and talking. From the few clips you include there I do not really see the aspect you mentioned as important - I do not clearly see if the attack is realistic - non-bullshit - or bullshit one as in classic aikido. Also the way he is leaning on his opponent is very strange. I am definitely not going to buy those vids just based on what you show here.
This channel has been getting ridiculous and now you're selling stuff. Aikido is mid range grappling from an ambush, modified jui jitsu influenced by religion, very specific stuff but with great principles. I like to think that Kano took the more dangerous stuff out but that Ueshiba left it in code with a sign that says do not touch.
In a 13 minute video that's a lot of 'explaining'. You can't make a compliant, fantasy-based art into a functional fighting art. You're still wearing pajamas and hamaka skirts for crying out loud. Give the Uke $50 if he can actually punch you, and call his mother a name, and then try it.
If you want to check the Aikido Extensions Course check this link: academy.aikidojournal.com/p/Aikido-Extensions . Also, if you checked it out yourself, let me know what you think about it in the comments.
Martial Arts Journey awesome. I'm glad to see you like this video from Sensei Bookman too. Good news by the way. Found a Aikido school I like near me. Finally get to train again. Thanks for the videos Rokas. -your pal Troy.
One thing i found that work very nice with hikido is defending from real life bullies. Against untrained peoples that like to make fun of you the aikido works very well becouse it doesn't hurt anyone and make you appear in control of the situation.
I trained AiKiDo when i was young and it realy worked in those real life scenarious. It helps to take the distance.
Against angry and aggressive peoples, that want to seriously hurt you, aikido is not that usefull i believe.
This seems like a fair and honest review of that program. Also sounds like a good introduction for Aikido guys to real combat
It's great that you are reevaluating your art and you are trying to modernize. When I was a kid, I took Aikido and we incorporated a lot of strikes, lower leg kicks and Judo grappling moves. Our Sensei worked closely with the Seattle PD so we got real world feedback on what worked and what didn't. I guess he was way ahead of his time in having a more complete education. My classes were done in the 1970's and I'm surprised that things never moved in that direction sooner.
Hey Rokas, you know Batman is gonna be pissed when he sees you wearing that shirt, right?
Rofl :D Well, I have a new Batman tatoo on my shoulder, so we are bind together forever ;)
My marvel hart weeps 😢😅
I’m happy to see other Aikido practitioners expanding their horizons.
It was the first martial art I picked up, and while it will always have sentimental value I found that it was incomplete-but it works surprisingly well with Wrestling and Muay Thai.
you should visit that teacher and see how effective it us and integrate some things in your style
This is still only compliance. This still shows the whole issue with aikido.
I’m all for him trying to modify and improve aikido... but seriously drop the compliant 2 man forms stuff... it’s the entire reason Aikido has not proven to have any practicality. This is not pressure. They stop and pause after a punch... that’s not realistic.
Darren Holmquist go back and listen to the video at 4:50. He addresses this point specifically.
Telling and showing are not the same thing... I didn't see ONE SINGLE clip of doing anything without compliance. It's still a student throwing himself and cooperating.
This is pretty disingenuous considering that in any combat sport or martial art you practice techniques will always be demonstrated with a compliant partner. I would like see this stuff under pressure as well, but even combat sports don't entirely "drop the compliant 2 man forms stuff" since that's nothing more than the demonstration of a technique.
What are you talking about? No one complied with me in kickboxing as I don't remember anyone letting me hit them ;) BJJ is certainly not a compliant MA as I learned from numerous rolling sessions when training. I can tell you in combat sports there is NO COMPLIANCE. You put on the gloves and spar and learn from getting hit or grab onto your partner and fight for dominant position.
None of this "attack and stop" nonsense. :P
Nothing is practical until you do it on someone clearly resisting. As soon as he blocks the person stops... show me a single street fight or cage fight where that ever happens. Last I checked people keep swinging or do something else the second their punch is blocked. They don't stand there frozen.
Also even Rockas asked for video of something wrist lock throwing someone with resistance. Still no video about it. Meaning it only works when someone lets you. As I learned myself the hard way when grappling.
Keysi has the same compliance nonsense... guys just stand there :P
Here is all I can take from this. Until there is sparring footage demos should be dismissed unless the intention is just entertainment (as a fight choreographer I appreciate that aspect). Don't claim self defense until you can show it being used in actual sparring... and against people that know what they are doing. Until then it hasn't earned it's place to be taken seriously. It's that simple.
I am deeply indebted, like Roy Dean sensei, for my initial inspiration to cross-train coming from Bruce Bookman sensei back in 2005. I think this video series will be a great first step for others as well who wish to begin a cross-training / evolutionary journey. I wish there had been more alive sparring here as a way of validating the technique choices (not just cooperative jiyuwaza). I find setting things up in the clinch with Wrestling, Judo, JiuJitsu is very important as part of evolving in a functional direction.
I must say: your English pronunciation is REALLY great!
And your videos are quite enlightening! Well done!
I find it dangerous that aikido is marketed as self defense as it is completely ineffective. This is a big step forward. However if any of this worked you would see it in competition already.
Most hip throws are also Aikido techniques; we see hip throws in the UFC
The burmese elbow toss in Muay Thai is also an Aikido technique (it's not called the same thing but the fundamentals are the same)
Catching the kick and dumping them on their back is an Aikido technique; that's in Muay Thai, Karate, GJJ, etc
Wristlocks are used as submissions effectively in BJJ; Aikido has a more comprehensive system of wristlocking than BJJ does. All BJJ wrist locks are in Aikido but not all Aikido wristlocks are in BJJ, and I'd argue the three best wristlocks in all of martial arts are in Aikido, but not in BJJ (Nikkyo, Sankyo and Kotegaeshi). BJJ mostly uses either Tekubi gatame (gooseneck) which is okay, but not great, or the cowhand, which is also okay, but not great. The reason BJJ guys get the submission is because their position is strong; and that's the number one reason BJJ guys tend to defeat most other martial arts (position before submission)
The standing arm break in MMA by Aoki is an Aikido technique, even though Aoki did not train in Aikido
The main thing keeping Aikidoka out of the octagon is a lack of realism during training, and secondarily the fact that there aren't really unarmed "attack" techniques in Aikido. Every unarmed attack in Aikido is a counter, so without attacks, pure Aikidoka might not stand a chance. But there have been successful Aikidoka who were also pro fighters; Jason Delucia (of UFC and pancrase fame) is the easiest example of this, also Dan Theodore.
dude the most important thing you lern in "self-defence/martial-arts" is falling, rolling and steppig aside
you don´t defend yourself in the street against MMA-champions you evade big, drunk bitches with low self-esteem
Great stuff.
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Sparring doesn't actually make you better. Sparring just teaches you how to compete. My wrestling coach in high school used to always say that drilling techniques intensely but with control was better than live rolling. When all you do is live rolling, the group members who are less experienced don't get enough chance to practice new techniques because their attempts to apply the new tech they just learned will get stuffed. The group members who are more experienced just keep winning, so they're not really challenging themselves.
Drilling with intensity is best for the whole group to keep getting better. Do some live sparring too, but it shouldn't be the main focus.
The framework I've been shown (which works in a variety of learning secnarios) is as follows:
1. Memorization
2. Integration
3. Application
The idea is that each step is a learning process that you iterate on; once you think you've got as much as you can out of that step, you move onto the next step, to test your understanding. Inevitably, you'll find some flaw or weakness in your understanding, so you take it back to the previous step and improve on it.
For martial arts, this usually can be broken down (roughly) into "solo form work, interactive 2-person drills, and sparring". (Obviously, you'll also use solo work to integrate additional combos and flow techniques into your style as well.)
As such, most of your time will be spent in solo work - this is your work you do at home, getting your reps in on a bag or whatever. In class, you'll be either learning solo drills, or doing mostly 2-person drills to improve technique. And maybe once a week you'll spar for 10 minutes or so.
That's why you need to do both.
Sparring does make you better, because it helps you to understand how to apply formal techniques outside of the form, but Aikido sparring will look different than Karate sparring, different than Judo sparring, different than BJJ sparring (even though at least one Aikido technique can be viably applied in each of those rulesets) and in my opinion, different than Tomiki/Shodokan sparring (I think Shodokan sparring is still reducing Aikido and there can be a viable ruleset for sparring that does not reduce Aikido, only that nobody has formalized the ruleset yet).
I'd personally disagree, while drilling is important in my experience you also have to do sparring to understand how to effectively apply the techniques you learned from drilling. I'd argue having an equal balance of the two would make for the better overall results. However I'm not a sensei (and thus this is just my personal opinion without much backing it up) and that might also come as a difference between the two systems since you referenced wrestling and I practice Karate.
As someone who practiced boxing, Aikido , WingChan , and Kali. I really enjoyed it. He did showed how Aikido can be functional against real stiles .
Cool, I have done same arts. What results have you found when you mixed them together ?
Rokas, are you planning on a follow up video pressure testing these techniques?
I'm definitely considering it, yet may do it somewhere later as there are some plans before that I have to take care of ;)
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So great on application on actual combat not just art!
How are you still making content? I would have thought your journey was over.
Sensei Bookman is fantastic martial artist preserving Aikido's traditions. If you want a different, and also effective application of aiki technique ( in MMA/Fighting application), seek out Dan Harden
We need Prikido (Aikido that's based on a live prison fight situations) using real battle hardened Ex-Felons from NY and Cali prisons.
Which requires sparing
I really enjoyed this video. I'm really glad to hear your thoughts on how this is a way of dealing with an attacker using Aikido, not the only way. Question since I probably won't get the seminar: how much of the Aikido techniques are unnecessary add ons to a combo, e.g. where you jse some boxing skills to defend the strikes, bjj to close and clinch and then finish with an Aikido wristlock when you could've just finished with knees or a double leg?
I've trained in NJ with Sensei Bookman. He is legit, his son is a bjj blackbelt and they work on alot of techniques for real world applications.
It looks like he uses the outside arm bar in most stuff this is position 1 of functionality. You can go over the arm or under the arm with the front hand. He reverses the hand with tenken, irimange, with the structure he has built with the outside arm bar you can just parry the arm with the forward hand and omit that sequence of having to move to the rear leg. Also if you move from a traditional lockup position from wrestling you can slide into a over underhook and essentially be back into the position 1 setup. Working from the outside arm bar is crucial to making any nei jia, dao system work. The reason why is the 18 Ararat hands is the base technique. It is entirely striking and moves from one outside gate to the other, I could make several full length movies on just how that one system is constructed and most arts that move around the circle have it strung into them in one form or another because it is where kung-fu comes from.
There is more than one way to enter the techniques. I keep saying walk the circle. Put your opponent in the middle of the circle place your hand over the center of an x on the floor and walk around your hand then imigine that you just threw a test jab and your opponent checked it. This is your bridge you turn into the opponent and grab his arm and walk the bridge into him like the guy in your video then you turn your aikido techniques on from the familiar bridge. It's the same animal as your jujitsu, you establish a dominant position, and put some screws into your opponent. Remember that martial arts is a sophisticated study of fighting all things considered it's about learning things.
So... It looks like a cleaner, more efective versiom of the "combat aikido" dvds by jason delucia(an aikidoka who fought in mma and even won a few times)
So more Jason Delucia stuff? This still seems like it won't work if it's going after that ideal, but I haven't seen the DVD so I can't really comment. But if you already do BJJ and Boxing, why would you need Aikido? Isn't that intentionally taking the difficult option when you have two already easy ones? Also, isn't it easy to show off faster technique when you know what's coming, even if the jab is realistic, if you know it's coming you just have to react faster.
Mohseen Lala well, i learned some wristlock throws from subakdo, and some "punch catching" techniques too... And i aplied them in both self defense and fights... I even did one to a boxer... So, i think even if it is the harder move... It is still a valid move to train... Why learn the tornado kick or any other powerful but hard to pulloff kick if you know how to do a roundhouse kick? Its still a martial ART, the artistic aspect shouldnt be forgoten...
Also, the videos by jason start with him teaching super basic stuff like footwork or how to intercept a punch with youre forearm, then explain the locks, then explains how to combine the 2 for a throw, and then he does some sparing, where a guy who seems to be his student tries to fight him and he just defends himself and toss him arround like a ragdoll and beat him on the ground... And he does that in every video... But each video goes more into detail to nee texhniques... Adds how to attack, hiw to fight on the ground, etc... Its a very slow and very biring series that you can find in youtube if you want to... It has 1 or 2 things that seem to be good and maybe 5 or 6 that are kinda practical in very sñecific situations... And then there are things that i wouldnt try even on a willing partner because it doesnt look even possible... But i still recomend watching it, with someone to practice with, and try some stuff
@@boxing.ascetic believe me, its not even half as hard as people think! Catching a punch not like catching a bullet... Its more like catching an arrow... You don nead to catch the srroe head... Just the arrow... Same with the punch, the whole arm is there for. Catching
@@boxing.ascetic allright, so you are a thai fighter, who knows boxing and muay thai... Tell me... How many times have you catched a kick? Did you know that kicks can achieve speeds higher to punches in many cases? What makes you think that catching punches id impossible?
Try this, lower your left hand a little and keep the right up... Step back every time they throw a punch leaning slightly back... They will start throwing wider punches... When the pinch is wide enough for you to clearly see it comming, move your right hand to the left side of your head and "clap" with your left...you will trap the punch between both hands... You will not have your fingers out for a precise jointlock takedow... But you can transition into a "whizer throw" from there... Thats my favorite way of doing it... Altho i got that move from playing arround with sumo techniques... In sumo its called "kote nage"
@@boxing.ascetic also, itd not uncommon to see them do it agsinst a palmthrust... Wich id basically a similar thing to a strsight punch... Altho, they are usually slower but with much more momentum behind them...
A popular military maxim states: 'No plan survives first contact with the enemy' ... as people practicing a supposedly 'martial' art, we'd best not lose sight of that principle. Adding, taking away, modifying and extending techniques really does not address the most important issues which of course are pressure, resistance and non-compliance. Adding those aspects authentically to training makes the original Aikido techniques existence in whatever the application form has evolved into often irrelevant anyway. There are exceptions to this such as in law enforcement and military scenarios for example, where there may be some level of existing compliance, support from others, equipment and specified rules of engagement.
Scientifically speaking, when we change something too far off from it's original form, it becomes another species entirely... What the Extensions guy is doing with his modifications is admirable, but is it really Aikido at all anymore? These composite forms have been around forever and are definitely nothing new. In the post war period, they were usually some amalgam of Judo, Aikido and Karate. Even the Aikido founder combined and modified many arts that he learned but his unique approach was clearly designed to promote Shinto religion and world peace rather than martial prowess. Have a look here at Toichi Kohei (one of his senior students and international promoters) engaging in resistive sparring with a challenger and tell me if it resembles Aikido in any way... th-cam.com/video/IedNBqcG0S4/w-d-xo.html (sparring begins at 19:31 in the video, 'Rendezvous With Adventure') Note that Tohei had extensive training in Judo for many years before he met the Aikido founder.
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Hapkido is a super-functional Aikido.
I believe if you marry Aikido to Jiu Jitsu and Judo, you’ll have something effective. I love that bjj concepts are adopted here.
Kenwa Mabuni and other police officers learned some from Aikido Ueshiba and Mabuni returned to him 2 karate kata and some technics still trainained in shito ryu dojos. Some aspect of Aikido also incorporated in fight but Aikido not did fight the same way that is interesting.
I've heard that some humans eat broccoli... If it's true then anything's possible...
Aikido was what samurai did when their swords were locked or they were grappling with a sword. That was their bridge to effective aikido. To make it work you need a bridge against striking hands and feet. Taichi uses push hands for this but eventually you need to practice with a striker. If a wrestler can do it any style can.
I’ve seen your aikido when you were doing it, what you call “traditional aikido” is not really traditional
Aikido in way how the founder ueshiba taught it.
Without being disrespectful to others who practice it that’s how I see it
What is your opinion on Dan the Wolfman. He is a professional fighter who uses Akido, Wing Chun and other traditional and un orthodox Martail Arts moves in live sparring.
I also watched him and seems all works for him. Well, we never know until Rokas can have randori with Dan with the modified version
@@royalstorage2178 I think the traditional and unorthodox Martail Arts moves work for Dan because (and by his own admition) Dan already had a strong base in Wrestling and BJJ and Boxing and Muay Thai and Kick Boxing, before studying these more traditional as well as these more exotic/or unorthodox and flashy Martail Arts that we tend to scoff at these days.
I wonder... If someone did the year long aikido course that japanese riot police does, does tomiki aikido to get a feel of competitive settings, did the s. P. E. A. R system... follow jason delucia "combat aikido" series(he is an mma fighter who does aikido) then does this one... And finally does the wimp to warrior thing... How much aikido would end up in his style? Since the first one is great on conditioning and pain resistence, the second one is the only one with competitive setting, if that person does the jason delucia thing and this one (both have more or less the same concepts for what ive seen... But jason is more "traditional") all that training, mental preparation and pressure testing... Would any of it translate into mma?
Nice now your traing for real im glad to see that.
Does he have any videos of actual sparring?
We did almost the same, our sensei called it "street Aikido" and helped me. And our dojo, the teachers often are masters in different martial arts, and they teach us different techniques and tricks from other styles. To the point of been hit, I got hit several times, broken nose, to slow to get away, sprained ankle, couldn't role. You are defenitly right to this point. Sub for these videos and sorry for grammar mistaces, my english isn't the best.
If you want something to be functional, compete in mma like rule or even free fight. Rules are made to reduce injury and fatality hence practicing with those restrictions reduce functionality. The arts initially were created for those kind of situation.
You don't need to increase muscle if your style doesn't require you to do so. See where your style can bring you and find all the applications in each form. Every MA practitioner need to experience in more realistic situation, not just demo speed and pause. Nobody fights in demo speed, that's just sitting duck.
Thank you for making this video and promoting one of my teachers and friend Bookman Sensei. You're right about a lot of what you have taken from his course. Most of his aikido is of the same lineage I am from. My sensei is a good friend of Bookman too. They all started at the New York Aikikai back in the late 60's/70's, a school where I train half of the time. Along with Stickles Sensei (R.I.P.) they were like the 3 Musketeers in those days.
I understand your frustration with aikido. But I think in an environment where you're encouraged to evolve your aikido into something unique for you, it can become something very useful. That's how it is in our lineage. Maybe not in the cage but are people getting into any martial arts to compete in professional fighting? Are you trying to be a professional fighter? If not, then what's it to you if it works against MMA or not? Your focus should be, in any real-world situation, to defend and getaway, right? Aikido is great for that. If you don't believe me, ask Bruce Bookman Sensei.
Now I don't know anything about your aikido background, not the information that matters. And there are very intricate details in that information. But I surely know from watching your MMA match that it's not the kind of aikido I'm accustomed to. You and others would say, "... didn't get to use any aikido." I disagree. You were looking for a grab instead of just doing the one thing they teach us at the beginner level, which is getting out of the way. Sometimes, I saw you could've but you chose to engage, fighting his fight. Like I said in another comment I made on one of your other videos, you fought his fight on his turf. I, personally, wouldn't even try. What the hell am I doing in the cage if I'm not trying to be a professional fighter? I would love to spar but sparring for me would be to evolve my aikido. This, to me isn't sparring unless you want to be a UFC fighter.
Don't let these aikido haters gas you up. Aikido isn't a waste of time as a self-defense art. If it was, Bookman Sensei would've given it up a long time ago, just like many BJJ practitioners who train aikido in my dojo. You should try another style of aikido or another federation? Give it some thought.
What striking system are you studying Rokas?
This is much better than traditional Aikido. But what makes it better is in contradiction with what makes Aikido. All MA share some stuff. But to make Aikido effective it needs to loose the core Aikidoness. Therefore Aikido doesn’t work as a fighting technique.
there is really only one true way to be effective, and that is to talk to the person who is picking on you (as a distraction), then hit them first (so practice striking very hard) , while they are still recovering use an aikido technique.
If you practice waiting to get hit first, then you have all ready lost.
Lol. Eyepokenutkicker technique. And if that fails. You get crushed.
Life, Garden & Hapkido never heard about live sparring. Like getting your ass handed to you everyday for an hour for 5-6 years until you don't suck so much. I bet in that point you can beat the shit out of any common thug even if you are 60.
Life, Garden & Hapkido yeah there's like tons of bjj black belts who roll and compete even after 60. I wouldn't say it's delusional. And those guys are like monsters still. Even i know few.
Life, Garden & Hapkido do you even train bjj? Could you even know?
Life, Garden & Hapkido ok cool. What belt are you on in bjj and who gave it to you. I'm 5 years blue belt under sensei Heilimö.
so basically its mma with aikido techniques mixed in, funny how pretty much all martial arts these days are being mixed in to mma
Might that be because MMA is litterally...a Mix of martial arts? Yes martial arts work better if you know more than one. Brilliant Observation
Thanks for the "heads-up" on Sensei Bookman's take on Aikido. But I'm wondering has concept of "KI" in Aikido been lost forever? Is KI no longer an essential concept except for those "traditionalists" whose "martial art" works beautifully in the dojo, but when confronted with a "pressure tested" situation, becomes only a "Fantasy" or "Fake" Martial Art on the street? Is O- Sensei rolling in his grave?
I have a problem because there is no one to train with me.
Daniel Rosa Same here, I trained for a long time but now I moved and have no club here or partners...
Darren, I would venture a guess that you have never had an Aikido technique applied to you or you would know why he was compliant. I'm not arguing the fact that most of Aikido is not likely to work but if a technique is applied properly then you would comply or be greatly injured.. That is a fact.
I like ti think aikido is an amaxing art but like I dont feel that the system alone isnt enough but is like an amazing supplement to a system I feel that aikido should get back the the japanese jujitsu roots which was a complete system where as aikido is a fraction
If you go down this path of making aikido legit it just becomes judo with some wrist locks
No serious martial artist or Aikidoist expects the street to be the same as the dojo.
A dojo is for learning and " playing" at violence or confrontation. Whereas the street is life.
I respect you man your breakdown videoes are not just professional but i really enjoy them but im sorry its not functional akido that exists here but boxing thats less efficient in a real fight the throws the crazy things that akido shows you to do dont work and so the only part of this martial art ends up being the part that is essentially boxing other than that the rest of the moves thrown in to make it different to boxing man. Even judo's throws are hard to pull of in a fight and akidos throws are just downright naive and in the end this id always recommend learing judo over akido usually with bjj thrown in. If your into the punches (which you should be because basically no street fight has no punches in them) id also recommend boxing maybe with mma training or even taking kickboxing. Regrettably all i can say about this new form of akido is that is the same choreographed dancing original akido is
Hi Matty, under closer investigation I actually agree with you. At the same time, I appreciate the effort.
I dont know if this is aikido that is truly functional or if its just an online course called "functional aikido". All i saw on his website was a few still photos (just like NINJA! Magazine used to do) and an option to buy his course for like 80 bucks. Im subscribed to at least 50 channels each with hundreds of free videos of things that i KNOW work, FOR SURE, because theyve been proven in competition. If you want to buy this gentlemans online course on faith then great! Please let me know what you think of it. Im 100% willing to bet that his students are better prepared than the majority of aikido students from other dojo, but i will want to see some actual sparring before i would spend money or form an opinion.
aikido's issue is that it is too reactive, the fact that he added anything that is active is great.
face punch keep seeing the term reactive in this context. What does it mean?
I was thinking about recommending this "course" to you. When I saw your videos addressing you interest in practical "combat' application of aikido I applauded your interest and quest. On the other hand, I feel that your dropping Aikido would be, in the long term a big mistake.
I have been doing Aikido a little over three times as long as you did. I have learned more and faster in the past ten years or so than in the previous 40 years. Check out the following if you can. Dan Hardin and Ellis Amdur's just released revised edition of "Hidden in Plain Sight". You are probably throwing out the baby with the bath water. And, there is a lot of bath water that is not really helping anyone. Please continue your quest, just do not abandon what is truely valuable before you have gotten there.
Robert A. Haynes, Ph.D. 5th dan
Thank you
How to choose a good aikido school???
Find a daito ryu school :D
Vlad Dracula: FInd one with an active fight team in either MMA or submission grappling competitions.
Haragei Lucid They has judo and karate training facility in the dojo. In The area in which I live . Is it good??
Make sure they spar with full resistance in their Aikido classes. If they don't, it's not worth your time.
Vlad Dracula: that will probably be better than a dojo where the only art you see is aikido.
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How many times does someone have to point out that it's NOT the System that is at fault, but the people practising it. ALL traditional Martial arts have functional combat value embedded within them ( Aikido Included). It depends on whether one is able to study deeply enough with the right people, to understand where that particular system fits into the conflict interaction in order to discern what kind if tool they are ,and for what purpose is the system optimally designed. Once you know that, you know everything. No system is complete. NO, not even BJJ or MMA. Unfortunately many , including yourself MR Rakas, slag off on traditional arts such as Aikido purely on the basis that they are not BJJ or MMA. ...which is ridiculous.
If you want Akido to work and be of use! You have to learn other skills! I have followed the sport of mma from the start. I have seen first hand arts exposed as useless early on in the UFC, come full circle and have some of the weapons and even some of their students have success.
There is 2 groups of arts. 1 is the art that is very effective on its own. BJJ, wrestling, boxing, Thai boxing, etc. 2. Is arts that need other arts to create a situation where the art can have a chance at success. Karate and TKD were considered useless as early as UFC one. As the sport evolved. We started seeing weapons start working that didn’t work before. Common moves to mma today like head kicks and jabs. Once strikers can stay on their feet longer with wrestling training and not get beat on the ground with BJJ training. They were able to spend more time striking. Now setting up head kicks were possible and wearing people down with jabs had a purpose. Before that, you might only get one strike off before being taken down and losing. So you had to make the strike count. Jab won’t end the fight and a high kick was to high risk/low success rate. Once you can assure you have the defense to not get beat. Then you have all the time in the world to throw any weapon you want in theory. So if you have wrestling and BJJ and striking defense. It would allow you to throw Aikido moves and maybe land them effectively or find out how to set them up to make them work.
Aikidos problem in my mind is even if one can make it work. It’s not the most efficient way to look at it. It’s like training TKD. With he right skills it has weapons that can work. But it isn’t more practical than Thai boxing or Dutch kickboxing. So anything than can be made to work from Aikido is in other arts with way more effective moves need less help to make work. Other arts also don’t have the self defense mindset and lack of athletic students that are a cancer to fighting arts. Self defense is part of the martial art con man system to keep from getting exposed and to appeal to weak, scared, unskilled kids who are bullied. Which means you are pulling from a very weak pool of people and then pushing a mindset that is counter productive in fighting! Offense is also a good defense and using the term self defense only creates a victim mentality. Where everyone in the art is just waiting to be a victim before ever testing themselves and hoping it never happens. That mentality doesn’t exist in fighters or the most effective arts. That doesn’t mean they go pick fights either.
Very cool.
What ueshiba,did was an evolution and innovation in martial arts for his time but only relevant to his time in Buddhism nothing is permanent will evolve and adjust over time aikido evolved from daito ryu aikijujitsu aikido will evolve and modernize or it will fade away gradually you can be both traditional and modern and still maintain your core ethos of your martial art it is not unethical for you aikidoka to train in a manner that,prevents them from being harmed while at the same time maintaining a certain level which can lead to the harm against the attacker being minimized you can begin with traditional drills and techniques but move on to semi free to free sparring or randori then self defense scenarios with a degree of realism
have you ever seen tomiki aikido?
According to Urban Accolyte the history of tai-chi, the masters of the art already knew how to fight in other forms of combat. Taichi was just an accessory to their fighting style not the core. Aikido might be the same. It isn’t fit for a base, but rather an extension.
It was. All of the original students were high degree black belts in other arts. They came to Aikido to finish their martial arts training, not to start it.
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👍This point should be highly stressed to aikido, or any tma practitioners where sparring is often rare. If the goal is to fight, learn a base combat oriented style that usually spars and competes ex)Karate, Boxing, Wresting,Jiu-Jitsu,Judo, etc.
Once the fundamentals are in place then learn Aikido. The techniques will make more sense and can be applied in live scenarios, and even if they don’t you’ll still have something to rely on.
There was also a philosophical component. A very skilled fighter might, for spiritual purposes, begin working at making their fighting less physically damaging to their opponent. Those were the philosophical ideas around the founding of the style.
Live, resisting, uncooperative partners. If it doesn't have this it is not functional.
I respectfully still wonder how effective even functional Aikido would be.
Honestly Aiko could be effective in certain scenarios like if they taught hard counter punching after a single parry. Even then I think it's way too reactionary to be effective.
Fake a punch and shoot a double and I doubt any aikido practitioner could stop it. Also they would train such bs techniqie to stop a double leg you could knee tap fake takedown to uppercut and what are they going to do. Aikido looks nice but will never be practical.
6:35 this course was based on the match you had!!!
He is doing The old fusen ryu style
Nope, still not working and looking like aikido. And that's the problem: When people try to make it 'functional' it loses the look Ueshiba gave it. Meaning they're throwing out what Ueshiba put in (aka throw out what isn't useful). Judo doesn't have this problem. The form of judo manifests in its functioning. Aikido loses that (and this version loses it too). At the same time, try this on a kendoka and see if it'll work. There will be a big gulf between vs unarmed and muto dori, not to mention sword vs sword. Aikido, as Ueshiba demonstrated it, has very similar approaches in these 3 aspects. It is no wonder that yoko men uchi is included in aikido striking, it's the stand-in of a sword cut. If your response to yoko men uchi is very different to your response to a kesa-giri, you're not training aikido properly. And if in the process of "functionality" you can't make this response work and just throw it out, are you really doing aikido?
Aikido does not work get over it
Why are they training in the hakama? If they want to train functionality I think they need to wear functional clothing. Gi, no gi, shorts, pants, etc.
It's hard for aikidoka to quit the magic pants... xD
The magic pants are the best part! :P
The purpose of hakama is to hide the gravity centre of the body. In short, when you move, opponent cannot see in which leg your weight is.
Which is fine and dandy if you go about your day wearing a dress, but if you don't, you're getting accustomed to being able to hide your lower body movements in the gym, while you can't in the real world.
Nope, the purpose of hakama is to cover your privates and legs for modesty. Seriously, it's like asking what is the purpose of the skirt and giving it a very esoteric reason.
Rokas, peace be with you, I have much respect for you and the honest journey you're upon. If I may be so bold let me assert that functional Aikido exists and it's called Daito Ryu Aiki-Jujutsu, the functional self-defense/weapon retention art that Morehei Ueshiba trained in under Sokaku Takeda sensei prior to his renouncement of violence, joining a pacifist cult and creating a physical exercise program he used as a venue for sharing his post war pacifist convictions with the world. O'sensei Ueshiba himself said Aikido was not created for fighting but rather the physical techniques of aikido was for exercise only and the art was a way to reconcile the world and bring people together in peace. Yet many Aikidoka fail to understand the teachings and intentions of Morehei Ueshiba's ai ki do and attempt to modify or change Ueshiba's vehicle for bringing people together in mutual exercise to reconcile the world and promote peace and make it a functional fighting art when all they need to do, if combat or self defense is their goal, is to stop training Ai Ki Do and begin training Daito Ryu Aiki-JuJutsu...That being said, Steven Seagal sensei created a combative form of Ai Ki Do by blending his karate background with his Aikido background to create Tenshin Bugei Gakuen. He's since evolved his Tenshin Bugei Gakuen art by incorporating principles from other arts he's studied, including Sam Kwok Wing Tsun boxing, Karate, Judo, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, Kendo, Shitō-ryū and Daito Ryu Aiki-Jujutsu. In his school they train full contact randori against multiple attackers. Despite being 66yrs old he still teaches. He gave an excellent class on functional aikido not long ago in Russia. You should try to contact Seagal sensei or just include Daito Ryu Aiki-JuJutsu into your regimen.
Bla bla bla , how about if this guy who attacks but after he jabs he turn his hand back very quickly or tricking him with the "wrong hand" punch , and the old guy who try to make aikido functional is dead.
Aikijujutsu
Like, if you've been practicing Aikido for some time and your technique is really on point, this is the next step IMO.
I think Aikido can be useful, it just hasn't been pressure tested in a long time (like, hundreds of years I mean). This course adresses lots of things but more importantly, it opens a mindset that's not "allowed" in Aikido, the BJJ mindset of "constantly evolving this thing."
An evolving Aikido community (not an stagnant one, like the one we have now) would have been coming up with solutions to most teached MMA-related techniques. It's bogus to train how to disarm a guy who's gonna kill you with his katana, but it's nice to see people coming up with Aikido-based solutions for when you're trapped in a thai clinch. That's cool.
Well, since he ended up abandoning aikido altogether and completely switching to MMA and BJJ, I guess that he realized that aikido is just impossible to fix without it not being aikido anymore.
Most of what we see in the video, and considered to be effective, is ju jitsu, and not aikido.
ISo the inability to distinguish what is aikido and what is ju jitsu (done in effective way or not like in the most of the schools) it is what will always mislead you.
Aikido is not the move, is not ikkyo, is not the punch (and in aikido you can and must punch and kick because the founder did it), is not the irimi nage but is HOW you perform it, with aiki or not.
Then you can use the strategies and the techniques that you want, even a double leg takedown or a o soto gari.
But you perform it with aiki, which uses a completely different mindset and body organization.
Aiki is not what you do to the other, is what you do to yourself and how you organize yourself!
When you consider the leverage and the best point to place yourself to have an advantage, this is only just ju jitsu, but even if this ju jitsu works, is not aiki yet.
So Roka, when you fail with what you call your aikido, in reality you are just using ju-jitsu techniques, but without any realistic training that makes you understand the weak point of the opponent, the right positioning, everything that basically a wrestler or a judoka know.
It's your low level ju jitsu (which you don't even know that you are practicing) which fails, not your aikido, because to speak about aikido you should have aiki, but you don't have it and it's visible even when you train with normal ukes.
You understand the issue Pasquale. No Aiki, no real fighting experience.I understand Rokas disappointment because traditional Aikido will not function on the street as such. However, there is a level of Aiki that always works, but it is devastating! Not many people know that that exists. They never got to that level and never will.
Good!
people buy sweaters for 50 bucks?? thats insane
Congratulations you have discovered Mixed martial arts. Some Aikido is usefull in a fight. That's it. Its been demonstrated over and over again that its not an effective art. Its not worth the time commitment to learn it .Take whats usefull leave the rest.
There must be a cat around that you're allergic to or something. Stop filming, get your nose situation sorted out, then talk in front of a camera. I can forgive one or two little scratches but man, you were just at your nose through the whole video.
It exists and it's called Krav Maga
“Working on a system of Aikido” is code speak for “how can we convert this useless shit into BJJ and MMA”.😂
1. "x is what I study" is not a valid conclusion from the the premise that "I study x." There is a very strong probability that x includes much that you have never studied.
2. If the founder of an art says that 90% of that art is atemi (striking) and you have never studied atemi, then it is highly probable that you have limited yourself to a maximum of only 10% of that art.
3. The word "tradition" does not normally mean "what I grew up with, and am familiar with." Learn to respect the grandfathers/grandmothers.
4. Are you really offering something novel, or are you recreating something that has already been developed through several iterations elsewhere and are merely hoping to gain a marketing benefit by hopping onto someone else's bandwagon?
I am sorry that you have grown up in a society that seemingly abhors reason. Buck the trend and use yours. There is sufficient good information already on this thread (among the much more prevalent bs) to move you forward.
Do you want to deepen your understanding of aikido, or even just broaden it? Look into Tomiki, Yoshinkan or Yoseikan. Deepen it further? One of the forms of aiki-jutsu. Aiki is in most koryu. And the same false claims of exclusivity or special knowledge, and the same kinds of fallacious reasoning will pop up everywhere you look.
Wish you the best.
Why not just look at combat aikido and Tomaki aikido!!!!
Do these combat aikido and tomiki aikido even work against a decent MMA fighter? If so, then looking is just a waste of time. Seriously, who attacks with a knife like that if he wants to kill someone?
Yeah its called wrestling
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Too much talking and not much action in this vid. You talk so interestingly so I expect to see something but it's not coming - just talking and talking. From the few clips you include there I do not really see the aspect you mentioned as important - I do not clearly see if the attack is realistic - non-bullshit - or bullshit one as in classic aikido. Also the way he is leaning on his opponent is very strange. I am definitely not going to buy those vids just based on what you show here.
He is talking about someone else's product, he can't show too much footage or he'll likely get sued
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This channel has been getting ridiculous and now you're selling stuff. Aikido is mid range grappling from an ambush, modified jui jitsu influenced by religion, very specific stuff but with great principles. I like to think that Kano took the more dangerous stuff out but that Ueshiba left it in code with a sign that says do not touch.
It sucks...
My winged unicorn has some magic beans it wants to sell you.
None of that looked practical whatsoever.
In a 13 minute video that's a lot of 'explaining'. You can't make a compliant, fantasy-based art into a functional fighting art. You're still wearing pajamas and hamaka skirts for crying out loud. Give the Uke $50 if he can actually punch you, and call his mother a name, and then try it.