Jason Lloyd shares NEW DETAILS on The Athletic's BOMBSHELL article on the Cleveland Cavaliers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2024
- In the second game after they learned in December they’d be without both Darius Garland and Evan Mobley for a while, the Cleveland Cavaliers beat the Houston Rockets in overtime. That night on Dec. 18, Donovan Mitchell played 45 minutes, including the entire second half and all but four seconds of the extra period.
After the game, Cavs president Koby Altman walked into the coach’s office and admonished head coach J.B. Bickerstaff in front of his entire staff for playing Donovan Mitchell such heavy minutes, multiple sources briefed on the interaction told The Athletic. Descriptions of the incident spread across the organization, including the locker room.
“(Altman) got at J.B.,” one player said of the incident.
The immediate aftermath of that night was confusing. For instance, Altman was unaware at the time he was scolding Bickerstaff that the coach had asked Mitchell if he wanted to come out, according to league sources, and Mitchell declined. Yet, Mitchell was absent from the court for Cleveland’s next four games due to what the team called a non-COVID illness.
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Guys. Garland was playing with Sexton before Mitchell. He’s always been next to a high usage guard.
Great point
That didn’t work.. until sexton went down for a year
Well Sexton isn't even near the level of Mitchell. Huge difference.
Garland took off after he got hurt and sexton isn’t half the player DMitch is🤣
Comparing Sexton to Donovan is crazy lol
Kolby not bout to escape accountability. He drafted all them short guards, And he hella quiet. He passed up and missed out on all type of talent. Darius had no business ever being pared with a ball dominant guard who is the same height as him. It was a good evaluation of the tow for best fit, but its incompetent on front office.
a lot of talk about people leaving and no mention of Koby being one of them
Trade Garland for a wing. Trade Allen for shooters. Build around Mobley and try like hell to resign Spida. Otherwise sign and trade Spida for the previously mentioned pieces and keep Garland and Allen.
Keep spida at the 1. Mobley at the 5. Trade dg for a solid wing=jerami grant/ ingram. Trade jarret for a backup point or starting 2= d.murry or paul George.
Spida,struss,pg,grant, mobley
you still dont get it...the teams that kill us all have height,..and we want more dumba** small guards and forwards? No, get more height at every spot. Tired of us doing dumb $hit that dont benefit this team when we run a small squad. We gave up Hartenstein who is feasting for the Knicks...WE LITERALLY HAVE NO BACKUP BIGS OR STRETCH PLAYERS
It sucks because I think DG can still be very good but it’s clear him and DM can’t coexist against certain lineups and the fact that it’s likely DM will leave is annoying. I appreciate Altman for going all in and trying to accelerate the timeline but small guards playing in the same backcourt is a thing of the past and in the foreseeable future it will be nonexistent as a part of teams schemes for a majority of games.
Real quick: it’s “dysfunction.”
Max contract to DG was a big mistake
“Do we think differently of Evan Mobley after these last two weeks?”
Answer: No
I have always liked Mobley. So I’m still feel the same way about him!
Wherever Donovan Mitchell is your number one you're never going to win a championship. The Cavs would have been much better retaining all their draft picks and swaps +Lance / Sexton.
D.M. stunted the whole teams growth. I repeat he will never get a ring as a teams number 1.
If DM extends, then it's him & Mobley who the team need to build around. They are by far the most talented & important players on the roster. Mobely's defense is as game-changing as Mitchell's offense. He was playing out of position with Allen out, but he was a defensive NIGHTMARE for the Magic in that series. All other players are tradable.
nah son, we dont want DG. DG is high turnover, no defense, cant run the offense, and is not clutch when youre not winning the game. He is also very very injury prone, soft and immature too. Pass on that...
Yes trade him. But who would want Him for forty million dollars a year ? That is on colby altman.
Playing with no pressure vs Boston! The Magic series is what needs to be analyzed, Orlando was a couple of made shots away from sending the Cavs home!
yep, we should have eliminated Orlando in 5 games, or 6, not 7
@@rccollins1456 and thats why JB needs to be fired
@@DJ_BROBOT yep, and many of us wanted him fired after last years New York playoff debacle.
Damn..."players have the right to feel about their bodies..." come on guys! Where are your balls! This is a talk show have a damn thought or opinion!
Also can we talk about our max contract supposed leader going 4-17 when we needed him the most! We are not trading Darius Garland because no team in the NBA will want that man with that contract. He makes the same as Tatum. He makes more than Donovan Mitchell! I have never seen a big time player lose his confidence so much from regular season to the playoffs!
I wanted Marcus Morris to shoot the ball more then him!
Darius is Not Physical Enough. He needs to get into The weight room. He should be following Donovan's lead. Donovan IS physical. That is the difference. Darius is not putting the work in. If I am his Dad. I am all over Darius to do so. My Son would listen to me.
This JA shot news makes some things waaaaay clearer
No it doesn’t.
We should keep him.
Who can trade for Donovan and still have enough talent leftover to make a run at a title? I’ll wait…….
Grass isn’t always greener. I think he’s gonna stay and he’ll have major say about the roster construction this summer.
Jarrett is a "center" who bangs all game for positioning and rebounds. No " official" word on his injury and its extent? Broken rib??? Affects breathing and physicality, to the extent of possibly puncturing his lung? Give him a pass...
LET'S GO 🏁
Everyone saying “Mobley is a 5” are 5 years behind, thought followers not leaders.
Garland is too soft to win anything. Getting that money was his goal he has achieved everything he wanted from NBA
Cleveland in a pinch. No way out. The team is 3 players short and 1 coach.
Is that Jabba The Hutt????
Tyvis Powell is too unprofessional.
Show some composure, mate.
Allen ain’t going no where we better not trade him. He’s our second best player next to Mitchell. And if bron comes back he wants Allen to be here.
Screw Lebron.
Get rid of ball hog Mitchell and go back to Garland. Cavs messed up big time with that Mitchell trade. They got too greedy. Now they wasted 2 full seasons of Garland and Mobley development
@@gobblemynobble5715 NONSENSE! Mitchell is much better than Garland.
A-hole -James ain’t coming back you IDIOT‼️‼️‼️
This team is going to be built around Donovan and Evan going forward. I just hope they can get a nice package(s) for DG & JA
1-3-1!!! That’s when this team plays at its best
With that roster is the goal only to go to the play in 1-2nd round in the playoffs? Cause they aint beating nobody in the west with Mobley playing the 5. Needs a real center. Especially if they have to play Denver, he not stopping Jokic or Gordon.
Guys, Mitchel isnt returning. So why get rid of Garland too... Trade Mitchell, get a player or two and picks. Keep Mobley and Allen. We need both, this series showed it. Garland was fine before Mitchel, think ya'll forget that. Why get rid of garland, and either big, when we losing Mitchell too. Think fellas THINK.
Why would u think he’s not returning? He got 200 mil sitting in front of his face.
@thomastinnirello lol He wants a max contract AND has made it clear in the past on the cities he wants to play in. Last 2 yrs didn't change his mind fr. Trade Garland, Allen, then find out next year Mitchell ain't resigning too....no wa Gilbert takes that chance.
Because team construction doesn’t maximize talents.
@@lavelleholder5508thus why we would make moves once he is signed
@@BDawgchannel he’s getting the max .
One thing that might help is that Knicks no longer appear to be a destination for Mitchell. Already have a 6ft ball dominate guard
There are a ton of problems with the make up of this Cleveland team, especially the "Core Four" namely:
1). Darius Garland can't really shoot the 3 ball. I don't know how many games I've seem him go 2 for 12 on threes, but it seems like it happens more often than not. If that's because he's being asked to be a spot up shooter at times, that's a real problem because both guards have to be able to share the ball and be excellent spot up shooters for the offense to work.
2). Garland is a poor defender. He just does not stop the ball. Guy is a matador out there, and will always be the weak spot.
3). Mitchell dominates the offense to the point where it's a one man team. That's bad for any offense not led by Michael Jordan or Lebron James. I'm not at all convinced Mitchell makes his teammates better.
4). Neither one of the "bigs" is really physical. And at least one of them has to be the play winning ball in the playoffs.
5). Mobley is not at all aggressive offensively, at least not consistently. Guy does not look for his shots, doesn't try to force the issue in the paint and instead passes out, and has not developed as a 3 point shooter which truly makes him unplayable with Allen especially in a playoff environment. To me, it looks like he doesn't have that dog in him. Ditto Garland and Allen.
6). LaVert is ludicrously inconsistent.
7). We don't have a viable small forward. What we have are a collection of second string guards filling in at that position. This description applies to LaVert, Struss, Okoro, and Niang. None of these guys can rebound, consistently defend the top tier wings AND be a consistent scoring threat, especially as a spot up 3 point shooter.
I think we have to trade two of the "Core Four". Ideally, it would be Garland and Allen. But realistically, it's probably Mitchell and Allen. Which means building the team around Garland and Mobley. A fact which should give everyone cause for concern.
And we definitely need a new coach. If you don't have a lot of big physical, older players, why aren't you running to create offense on fast breaks and transitions. Both of your guards are small, ditto your small forwards, and you bigs are not thick, so why aren't you using speed to beat the other guys down the court?
Looks like a lot to fix, and maybe a fumbled opportunity to take a talented core and develop it. Not sure this team would not have been better with Markanen, Sexton, and all their draft picks--especially since Mitchell never wanted to come here in the first place.
Plenty of blame to go around.
Altman has an abysmal record, four subpar lotto picks, giving away the farm for ball centric Mitchell, getting rid of Jordan Clarkson and Hartenstein. Kevin Porter Jr fiasco. How could it be expected that Altman will fix his own mess? Maybe our billionaire owner is a basketball nitwit and meddler.
Quote of year from the Bedford Grad..."If Darius made a couple of shots....."
Garland needs to get traded asap
Darius doesn't take competition seriously with or without Spida. Darius will be average wherever he goes. He doesn't compete, he just plays.
That’s slightly accurate. If you ask me… after watching his entire career on the Cavs… he seemed less comfortable this year than any other year. Idk if it’s the family issues he’s been going through or maybe not 100% healthy or even just being paired with Mitchell 🤷🏾♂️ because maybe that just looks good on paper 😂 if u ask me… they never looked comfortable with each other playing together the entire time Mitchell has been in Cle.
@@djextraordinairekvngdez5247 THATS FALSE. He literally fell off last season too...I keep telling everyone here this did not happen this year. Lotta yall DG fans are blind to that fall off. DG was turnover prone last year...he put up bad shots last year...he didnt play defense last year...he wasnt clutch last year either...same exact stuff that happened this year
@@DJ_BROBOT Are you trippin or something? He was a dawg last year. You're just hating at this point. The dude started dunking too. Funny because everyone was saying that Garland was a better defender than Mitchell last season and Mitchell was getting all the hate defensively so he all the sudden started trying this season. Take ball hog Mitchell out of the squad and we got a happy all star Garland back.
@@gobblemynobble5715 Garland played like he was at LIFETIME Fitness runs last year too. You must love regular season basketball mediocrity
@@DJ_BROBOT uhhh are you okay? he averaged about 22 pts and 8 ast last year lol those arent fall off numbers my guy. he was good all season and even had a great game against NY in game 2.. sooo..... what point are you "trying" to make here again?
Imagine being Without mitchell and garland goes down. Anywhere he go there's gonna be another big time guard who wants it to
The Cavs needed scoring, youre not missing Jarrett's points, primarily his defense. The Cavs couldnt score!
In all honesty, I said that with this roster we would win 60 or more games, and we won 48 games, all because of poor coaching, and the others (except Evan Mobley and Jarrett Allen) not wanting to step up and help Mitchell, which is why we lost so many regular season games we were not supposed to lose. If they had just stepped up, we would've been the 2nd or 3rd seed and would've faced the Philadelphia 76ers or Indiana Pacers instead.
How did this roster tell you they would win 60 games or more? I can tell you how you did that, simply its…you, you lack the comprehension on how to evaluate and analyze NBA players. No way this roster couldve told you that cause the only certified bucket getter is donovan mitchell, To make up for that, you fall back on its the coach cause its the easiest thing to say.
@@BatMane7.62 And Mr. Krabs kept thinking that my eating and drinking during the season of Lent (February 14 to March 30) was the reason Cleveland had a 10-12 record, and that Cleveland would've been a perfect 22-0 if he was extremely strict about me going the entire season of Lent (all 46 days without food and water and exercising vigorously, and that Cleveland would've defeated the Denver Nuggets on Easter Sunday if I didn't attend an easter breakfast, as well as Mr. Krabs thinking the reason why Boston ousted Cleveland in the 2nd round was because my older brother George decided to deliberately disobey him (for the fourth time) by coming to the NIU campus to pick me up for summer vacation (after he explicitly told him not to until the Cavaliers beat the Celtics), and then he noticed that my brother broke my nearly $300 flat screen TV right after I arrived home, which made him think that my older brother ruined my Cavaliers big time.
Here's my point: you can only go up to 3 days, bordering on 3 weeks without food and water, and going beyond that can lead to death. And my eating and drinking is clearly not the reason Cleveland struggled this season. Plus, I can only spend my summer at the NIU campus if I'm taking summer classes.
@@RSpeller-ym6jj what is you talkin bout bro…stop trollin
@@BatMane7.62 My bad.
I wanted Allen gone last year…now inreally want him off my team.
This is news?
Gils podcast mentiined something about this painkiller shot. Thorbine or something, it makes them fell great but when its gone they feel like 2x the garbage. Allen has 1 more year left on his contact and then most likely wants a newer, bigger one. If Jacob Peortl can make 20 million then Allen is worth 25+ easy. Lakers, GSW, NO, Heat might be some places.
DG and Allen going bye bye 🙏🙏🙏
Garland lacks toughness. That’s pretty clear. And fell apart in playoffs. Again, you need to move on from Bickerstaff.
Trade Garland keep Spida. Also trade Allen as I think Mobley is ready to run at the 5! Yes, Spida coming here did mess up DG's development, but his ability to adjust has not been there. Can Spida be our full-time PG?? I think he can.....#LetEmKnow
Garland gotta go and either Allen played better without Mobley or Mobley played better without Allen
Darius is garbage and could care less cuz he’s rich. Lazy and useless in the playoffs. Has zero killer instinct, passion, or knowledge of the game. Just there to collect a paycheck. He’s not a winner and never will be
Trade both
Collin sexton was and will always be better than darious garland, has more heart passion and dedication that him and has that dawg in him. He works his ass off and want to be the best. They messed up giving him that max contract
Absolutely, Sexton has heart and wants to compete on every play. Garland is over paid and over rated.
The Bull.
Sexton is less talented.
Not at all...he can dribble circles around the court too@@dennisclanton5342
A lot changes of the guard. Dg will be gone.
Where will he go? Who wants to pay forty million dollars for him?
No I'm a stick up for my DG all the rumors are media rumors my dawg never has complained about playing with anybody we need Donovan to move the ball more to our players and have trust garland won't be traded or ask for a trade luv the show guys these kids are still young and learning 1 year of college also so still being taught how to play correctly go cavs
He ass look at the stats without mitchell
Mitchell and Allen are the two core pieces to build this team around. They need size and outside shooting. I would love it if they reached out to Utah and made a trade for Lauri. Lauri pairs way better with Mitchell/Allen than Mobley does. If the right trades are out there to make everyone outside of Mitchell and Allen are expendable. This is maybe the biggest off-season for the Cavs since LeBron left
U forget Jarret A been on trading blocks for 2 yrs since him and K Love blow up at JB trashing everything just for D Mitch to get his points
They both can go honestly Garland was inconsistent the whole year considered his contract is almost 200 million dollars he not worth it Jarrett Allen quit on the team and Mitchell quit on the team this was a winnable series but obviously the players didn’t feel the same
Kobe ottman is the one who took a chance on the two small guard offense. His job might be on the line also. What team wants a player making $ 40 million and played as poorly as DG did.
J b did not handle darius garland very well. It was obvious to everyone including the players that the cavs suffered because of his play. If I Were a player on the team and knew that Garland and J b were both coming back, I would be depressed.
Say what you want about Mobley.But when he and allen are in there together it's a big huge problem for the opponent's offense. I think if they both average fifteen a game that would be plenty.
Many feel that ocoro Is the cavs best defender but At 6 foot 10 Dean Wade is more valuable. He can cover multiple positions And at 1 point in time this year he was rated the number one defender in the NBA. He also shoots 40% from the arc. They need to stop pulling him after he misses a couple shots. That's poor coaching. What a terrific defensive lineup With wade, Allen and mobley. Not many teams would score a hundred points. If the cavs Could get a dynamic scorer at the two position along with Mitchell it would be sweet With those 2 and the aforementioned defenders The cavs would be very Formidable at both ends of the court.
You literally said who the problem was and still found a way to blame JB, how is it JB fault that we lost in the playoffs but also not be the reason we made the playoffs? Nobody was hollering fire JB when Garland went down with a broke jaw and they won 18 games or whatever, soon as Garland come back they fell off. JB cant be the reason we lost and also not be the reason we got there, Cavs are 48-34 how come he dont get any credit for that with the roster given to him, but all the blame for losing? It dont work like that, cant have one without the other. Yall are literally saying anything just to join the convo. JB did what KS did for the browns WITHOUT A JOE FLACCO on the bench.
@@BatMane7.62 J b was responsible for playing garland more minutes than He should have. J b should have had garland coming off the bench And thus acknowledging that the two small guard offense wasn't working But he didn't.
@@tomcannon2618 and put who in thats gonna score consistently and lead the offense with DM hurt? I wanna hear this. Enlighten me
@@BatMane7.62 During the playoffs when DM was down he didn't have any choice. During the regular season and when DM was playing he did have a choice.
@@tomcannon2618 you dancing around the question not saying nothin stop speakin on basketball have a good day
Let’s see…
DG has his breakout year after sexton goes down. Makes All Star team. Has Cavs 4th in the East until injury bug hit him and Mobley.
Then they trade sexton , Lauri and 4 first
DGs and Mobley development take a hit. 1st year we get 4 more wins than DG breakout year. 2nd year gentlemen sweep in 2nd round.
FIRE KOLBY ALTMAN. TRADE MITCHELL. TRADE ALLEN.
No we got to the play in and lost. We woulda not made the playoffs the following year with same team
And fire Mike Gansey and JB Bickerstaff. Besides, we only lost the play-in to Atlanta because we had a chance to get the 8th seed and face the Miami Heat until they chose to stop playing defense and let Trae Young go off from 3-point range.
@jayblue2686 we had a total of 4 more wins the next year with Mitchell. Again, 4 more wins than the previous year.
We were 4th in the East late into that year DG and Mobley ran the team. Then DG and Mobley got hurt, which led us to the play in.
OMG chicken mc nuggets please stop talking
Move DG to San Antonio, that's the best move...
Facts. Wouldn’t mind Keldon Johnson & some good picks back. Vassell is a pipe dream
@@Jaywrites23 yeah ain’t no way SA would ever give up Vassell lol. Dude is a straight up killer.
Dysfunction is spelled Dysfunction.
This teams needs a whole rebuild ain’t no way people thought “running it back” will work again we literally have D league players as our bench garland is definitely immature and I love D- Mitch but if we can trade him do it so we can get something back cuz I don’t think he’s signing the max and Niang is horrible not even gone start on him and we need new coaching staff
Can we get mark jackson to coach
Allen is and has been the problem two playoff seasons in a row.
Terrible analysis
@@stevendavis5095 not if you know what your talking about
@@softaco3088 which you don’t hence me saying” terrible analysis” lmao 😂
The guy on the right reminds me of Mr. Creosote.
What makes you guys the authority? Mobley is not a 5.He is a four he's not strong enough to be a five
Darius Garbage
NOOOO Donovan is here because of not sharing the ball. It's all about Donovan. No one can play hard if they are NOT being included. Hopefully Donovan is out and Mobley STAYS put as a SMALL FORWARD/PF and we get a Budenholzer
Yeah right 🤣
Time to start over. Trade everyone and accumulate #1 picks! Every person on this roster has serious flaws.....and they are ALWAYS hurt!!!
WHO CARES JUST TRADE GARLAND PLEASE !! He ain’t serious enough and he weak