It has only now occurred to me that GGY taking all the high scores in the books might have been nothing but a prod telling us that Gregory beats all of the Princess Quest games for the canon ending.
The parallel with help wanted 1 and 2 endings makes so much sense. Honestly putting them side by side does significantly help. I’m still curious where secret of the mimic will end up especially if it’s in the later 1970’s. Great video!!
The way I see HW2, Glitchtrap used Cassie's Dad to restore what little of his code was left, killed and stuffed her dad in a staffbot to pass the corrupted mask to Cassie to ensare a new host, BUT her dad maybe as staffbot, found PQ IV to finally purge Glitchtrap completely from the sytem, and freeing his daughter. I think the ending is meant to show the Vanny identity being freed (metaphorically) from Glitchtraps control so if Cassie becomes the new Vanny it'll be from her own choice, which i think is way more interesting.
That is very interesting, but I'm gonna be honest. The FNAF team aren't known for complex villains, and I get the feeling that that's not gonna change any time soon
The problem I have though is...why would Cassie want to/care to? She seems far too empathetic/caring for others, as the developers said she was someone who fixes things. She has zero reason to pursue being a villain/Vanny. She's just a little kid with no technical skills beyond what she passively saw her dad do at times. GGY/Vanny are implied to be programmers/having some capabilities with the systems. I just don't think, between the story so far + Steelwool descriptions of Cassie as a character, that we'll see Cassie be some kind of villain.
@@Ideataster You raise an excellent point! Cassie could never be a villain, but what about an Anti-Hero? Cassie is very empathetic, even to machines that very moments ago tried to kill her, but she helps them anyway. She would feel for their abandonment and mistreatment. Plus Gregory is, as we are aware of, Cassie's only human friend. It doesn't matter if it was the Mimic or actually Gregory, from Cassie, a child's pointof view, her only human friend tried to kill her. Imagine that level of betrayal. We also have to think about MXES. We don't know why or how the old program got connected to the Pizzaplex (or why it was absent from Security Breach, probably because Steelwool didn't conceptualize it than, but the in-universe reason could be it was switched off by a corrupted Vanessa or Gregory), but we know MXES has access to the system, it can see everything, it took control of the security minutes after Cassie started messing with stuff. MXES was designed to contain the Mimic but who knows what information it had happened to bear witness to: all of Fazbear Entertainment's corrupt business practices, the deaths, and negligance (we know the mimic program in part runs the pizzaplexm which is proven to be potentially dangerous). I could easily see Cassie stand up for others who can't protect themselves, ie the ruined animatronics, which are all she has now, her dad's gone. All of Cassie's empathy could be twisted into something darker. Her, MXES and the Ruined Animatronics take a stand against the corporate villains while tracking down the Mimic. As for her conflict with Gregory, its hard to say. She also still has the V.A.N.N.I mask, which taught her the basics of interacting with the system, it could also in theory teach her more (maybe download MXES to make him portable too), like a How-To encyclapedia for engineering. Could you imagine an inverse Security Breach like game? Cassie (as a morally grey Vanny instead of an outride villain) and co, breaking into anothar Fazbear building, taking control to find the Mimic or expose Fazbear Ent. and Vanessa and Gregory get caught in the crosshairs. It probably won't happen this way, but it's fun to think about. Fingers crossed for the Escape the Pizzaplex interactive novel.
@@Ideataster That's where the Africa ending is rather important, it's an ending where she breaks and is completely under Helpy's influence, vs the other two endings where she has managed to maintain control.
According to a steel wool interview Glitchtrap is gone. And the reason security breach ended up the way it did was because of a lack of communication between Scott and the developers.
*Like his story is over in the series? I don't remember that part of the interview, but that's kinda a bummer because that feels like so many loose ends and such a great character with potential wasted, just like Vanny and Security Breach :(*
Scott did mention in his second interview with Dawko that he only gave 'em general ideas of what the story should be more or less, so it's likely something inbetween
@@Fragmentsinfractals488 They're mimic, but Glitchtrap sticks out from them just because the standpoint of the Princess Quest ending in HW 2 and just plot in general. Gonna point out that Glitchtrap is a rabbit, made of agony and William's remnant (as shown in Princess Quest 1 as the shadow rabbit and Princess Quest 3 as the purple remnant that's floating on Vanny mask and Glitchtrap plushie), and is gone by Ruin. VANNI mask has Mimic1 program, which suggests that he was there the entire time, since Fazbear Ent. used Mimic1 to run the Pizzaplex. If Glitchtrap is dead (judging by the lack of appearance in Ruin and SteelWool interview) by Ruin, and the Mimic is still inside VANNI mask during Ruin, how can Mimic still be Glitchtrap? And don't tell me the "He doesn't need to pretend anymore" kind of stuff, it's lacking any sense. If Mimic1 was installed by Fazbear Ent., then Glitchtrap would not be an anomaly as suggested by HW 2's Princess Quest ending achievement. What i believe is true, is that Mimic and Glitchtrap fought for control over Vanny, Glitchtrap won at first, but then Gregory cast him back to the VR world, and Cassie's dad put the final nail in the coffin, giving the Mimic full control over Vanny and through Vanny, Mimic kills Glitchtrap for good. That explains why Burntrap is not in Ruin, the Afton remains that took over are now gone, and Mimic already learned from Glitchtrap how to do what he does. Basically, two forces colliding each other, fighting for control, like FNAF always shows us.
Link in the description says it’s barBARdroid’s art so it’s non-canon art but I like it. Fits the sb flat style well. They’re also the thumbnail artist for Rye
So, in the timeline currently Gregory and Vannessa are somewhere together. They seem to be doing something involved in the story based on Gregory's lines at the end of RUIN. Cassies dad is likely dead. Cassie herself is the new Vanny, and whether or not she's still in her own body, she is stuck at the bottom of the pizzaplex with the other villain, the mimic. The next game will likely be backstory for the mimic and then whatever comes next SHOULD bring us up to speed on what Gregory and Vannessa are up to, but (let's be honest) it won't
Well with The scooper ending we know that mimic s fate is unknown because The suit after The smoke clears its empty Cassie is still with vanny on her mind and trapped underground The mimic possibly Now having remmenant on his boby now because we ALL need tô know that scooper is an remmenant injector Machines Afton used on The Funtime Animatronics which were part of The souls of The MCI só The scooper Must have injected remmenant on The mimic and maybe mimic know being an destroyed endo with agony and some remmenant by The scooper like The Funtime fusioned themselfs into one Animatronic ennard só The mimic may end up fusioning with The blob creating a New Animatronic maybe an upgraded Tiger Rock amalgamation If The scooper ending is Canon as The New update hints só for The next game we may have a New location with Cassie being kinda of an villain because of vanny and some stuff of The mimic and in The ending we free Cassie but we got The reveal of The mimic fusioned with The blob An Tiger Rock amalgamation making An parallel with The fazbear frights when Afton becomes agony and maybe The mask bot(Cassie s dad) may play An important rolê with this maybe doing The same that puppet does in The fazbear frights fusioning with The amalgamation and Destroy It and vanny takes ALL The agony for herself and creates a New boby for herself to use
Things I think. 1. If the Vanny persona theory is true then I think it’s possible that Cassie will be saved similar to how Vanessa was saved but vanny will either try to look for a new Host/Vessel or find a way to create her own new Body. 2. If the Tales books are canon then Gregory at some point was also freed from the Doctor Rabbit Persona but it’s never revealed where or what happened to that persona. 3. I think it’s possible that Vanny will use the ruined Pizzaplex or an entirely new Location as her Base of Operations. 4. I like to think that the Vanny persona is created from the Agony and the most Negative Aspects of Vanessa’s Psyche so that would make them polar opposites. 5. I think originally vanny during security breach was gonna somehow overcome and betray glitchtrap and take the spotlight, also as a a way to keep her identity a secret she should’ve been called something like Giovanni. 6. To me vanny seems to either be a Psychotic Servant or a Obsessive Sociopath/Psychopath, Vanny seems to be Mentally Unstable and not fully aware of what she’s truly doing but she also seems to be aware and take immense pleasure in her crimes or just feeling nothing.
So, what you`re saying is that it moves her from being a different side of Vanessa, having a split personality, to a full personality, if I`m understanding correctly. Actually, did Glitchtrap make her, and then she might want to become her own person, like a living psyche or sumin?
The only other channel I know of that said both endings were canon is Game Theory in a video MatPat did about 11 months ago so I'm going to mention it as it was asked for at 14:58
“Not every story has to have significance, you try to read into every little thing and find meaning in what anyone says, you’ll just drive yourself crazy. You’ll likely end up believing something you shouldn’t believe and thinking something you shouldn’t think, or assuming something you shouldn’t assume.”
I’m pretty sure game theory had a theory similar to this, I haven’t seen the video in a while but I do remember game theory saying something to do with two endings being canon
Hey Rye? Crazy theory; what if we've been wrong about the HW2 protag this whole time? You play as someone who 1) is the last human employee of the Plex 2) wears a vanni mask 3) has some connectiong to glitchyboy, with the corrupted files having his face and 4) has an ending where they are torn apart by staff bots, and then hands Cassie the mask What if the player is Vanessa? We know Vaness was the last employee, so taking odd jobs makes a lot of sense for her. We KNOW she stays around the Plex if she was in the Mimic basement. What if she gave Roxy the headpiece? Idk, crazy idea that popped in my head as I listened. Maybe the crane ending is Vanessa losing it to Vanny? This would make both HW games have a lot of significance to Vanessa's character. Idk, obviously not perfect but a lot of stuff does fit, and there doesnt need to be this mystery third person who's never been seen anywhere else before except two lines of Cassie dialogue
This is a super cool theory! Obvs idk which is more likely, Vanny or Cassies Dad, but it is really fun to think about if it was Vanny, there's a lot of supporting evidence and makes a lot of things make sense. 🤔
The only thing i can think regarding this is, why does the bonnie mast look familiar? I do like your thought process however. But i also like the theory of cassies dad being the bonnie bully too.
@@kamranhussain3159 Oh I'm a huge fan of the Cassie's dad theory of course, and it's heartbreaking that he then is maskbot and brings his daughter in Vanessa being the player is just a thought
17:24 I thought about Vanny kind of "replacing" glitchtrap in some way, and maybe the reason the AR environment looks different from Ruin to Help Wanted 2 is because the Vanny persona infected it? idk, but since HW2 happens before Ruin this is the reason of the changes of the AR world (from showing everything clean when it's really messy to show stuff even more corrupted with purple, which is William's color)
I believe you're in the right direction, i feel like we'd have alot more information if Security Breach wasn't wildly miscommunicated between Scott and Steel Wool, if we can get more insight on what Security Breach was supposed to be, i think this video could be close if not perfect, keep it up Rye!
I agree with almost everything, this was a fantastic theory and really helped organize my own thoughts on the games. The only squabble I have is with the ending where he becomes mask bot, freeing Glitchtrap. I think that Vanny crushing Glitchtrap was the mimic (using Vanny), to kill the persona he had been mimicking since it was no longer useful. Now he controls Vanny fully separately from Glitchtrap, as we dont see Glitchtrap's hand, but the mimics leaving the pod. He is leaving the pod because he no longer is playing the role of William Anton. That is why when Cassie meets the Mimic he isn't In the bunny suit. The games are telling us that we are moving on from William Afton, that the mimic is our big bad fully as his own entity, and may end up mimicking someone else in the future.
It would be kinda insane if in the next game there’s “Cassy” and the main villain is an actual child. Kinda full circle that a story about a bunch of child victims leads to a child antagonist
Another fascinating video. Another idea to consider is what Gregory's role will be in the grand scheme of things. Chances are, whether or not he was the one who dropped the elevator, he and Cassie will most likely meet again (assuming she's still alive). Things will probably be tense when that happens, and could make for an interesting conclusion, whether through redemption or retribution. There's also Gregory's origin and WHY he's doing what he's doing.
My working theory is that it’s either Cassie (she identifies Vanny’s mask as the mask she’s wearing in Ruin so not a massive stretch) as she does have a voice in her head BEFORE she gets the Vanni mask,which feels very Glitchtrap, or the Glitchtrap that possessed Vanny’s body escaped and is usurping Glitchtrap Prime,taking the form of Vanny because it’s a digital creature and can look like whatever it wants
Couldn't this theory also suggest that Gregory wasn't the one to free Vanessa but instead it was Jeremy? If so, it would explain why he is in a staffbot body now. The other staff bots attacking him are "nightmare staffbots". So this instead could just act as a metaphor of how him "being" a staffbot is a nightmare rather than the literal sense of "I was physically attacked by the robot janitors who were wearing makeup".
I know this will be a controversial opinion: Not only do I agree with you that Vanny is a separate personality to Vaneesa; but, I think she is either Elizabeth or Circus Baby. There is *a ton* of similarities and connections between Vanny, Vanessa, Elizabeth, and Baby that make me think so: Vanessa resembling Elizabeth, Vanny's childish personality, Vanny being implied to puppet Mystic Hippo in Help Wanted 2, Circus Baby asking "What makes you so special?" like Mystic Hippo does, and right befkre we encounter Vanny in the PQ ending in HW2, we enter a recreation of the Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rentals elevator, emphasized by Circus Baby's poster. I really like that connection you made between Glitchtrap and Vanny in their endings in HW1 and HW2, respectively, snd gives me hope that Vanny will reappear in a future title. Hopefully looking for another host as you said.
Plus Glitchtrap can't just "make" a personality. If Vanny is a seperate personality to William or the mimic (which makes sense because they don't just do what they want, they have to command Vanny) then it has to be a different entity. And Baby wants to make her Daddy proud.
@CottonCandySharks Thanks for bringing up Elizabeth's desire to gain William's approval. I wanted to comment about that using Baby/Elizabeth wanting to please William in The Fourth Closet but, if I remember correctly, she didn't betray William there how Vanny betrayed Glitchtrap in HW2. Then again, they are two separate continuities so they are going in different directions. And it makes sense that Glitchtrap can't just make another personality. We'd have probably seen him do that more than once by now.
Well if the digital consciousnesses are probably using data from different people. So Vanny was probably an amalgamation of Baby and probably someone else.
So would that mean glitchtrap in the first help wanted was Gregory. Which would explain why in the book he uses the name Dr. Rabbit. That would also mean the voice we hear when you stare at the glitchtrap plushie was Gregory’s. That could also explain why cassie wasn’t allowed to leave at the end of ruin because she had already been infected by the virus. Therefore if Gregory (and possibly Vanessa) were the ones to break the elevator, they could have done that to stop the virus from spreading further by being passed on to someone else using that mask. This could probably tie in with B7-2; if the host dies, the virus dies with them.
You know, I’ve begun to feel like FNAF theorizing would benefit a great deal from using the perspective that it’s all a metaphor about “the cycle of abuse” and how many people can get tangled up in it instead of a murder mystery, and this idea with the Vanny mask kinda solidifies it for me. Idk I just find the story easier to digest that way. Trying to logic all this out in any other way has caused my ears to start smoking while Mr. Hippo’s “Sometimes a story is just a story” echoes in my head.
There are 2 question that had been lingering in my mind for a while and I think it’d be an interesting topic to discuss. First, thanks to this video, if GGY is real then where is he? I like a lot this theory, that those personalities are extensions that can be removed but still exist. So, where could GGY be? I’m kinda curious because I (personally) never understood how GGY could be cannon in games, since we haven’t seen much evidence about his existence. Sure, Gregory having foggy memory when Breach started could be, but at the same time not, maybe Vanny kidnapped the kid and kept him drugged or something and that’s why he’s confused. I also think that if we believe that dialogue of Vanny about she chose one personally in Dread Bear DLC refers to she choosing another victim for Glitchtrap, we don’t know for what exactly. Some people say that is to replace Vanny because she didn’t take completely over Vanessa, but why would Vanny choose a replacement rather than a new host? Following the logic of this video, Vanny used as a host Cassie’s dad to do stuff and then find a better one, with this, I think Vanny wouldn’t like to find neither someone to help her nor replace her. Therefore, I don’t think GGY exists. Unless, maybe Vanny used for a while Gregory as her new host but somehow he freed himself or someone else did, then Vanny just went back to Vanessa (I know is a stretch but is the only thing I think could kinda work for GGY to sorta exist.). My second question is where did the tangle go to? We saw that thing leaving at the beginning of Ruin, what’s up with it? Should we be concerned about its existence? Most of the people, whenever they talk about the tangle, just kinda explain what it is and that it left the pizzeria in ruin. I think it’ll be interesting to theorize what’s going on with it.
Tbh i feel like cassie will have a stronger will to be freed from vanny, i personally think she ve a temporary villain before being snapped out of it, but because of Gregory actions and everything she done for him it's gonna be hard to sway her back on our side. Wouldn't be surprised in the future we get an adult cassie lurking deep within the pizza plex still run down as we play as a new protagonist maybe curious child or adult seeing cassie be our antagonist
I think that every time the Mimic program infects/possesses someone, it creates an exaggerated copy of the person. This then becomes a unique instance of the program (Glitchtrap, GGY, Vanny, IRL Ruin Mimic, HELPI, VIP) that can often butt heads with the other versions of the program. The similarities between Vanny and Glitchtrap should be obvious, since Vanny is a copy of the mimic virus that’s already filtered through glitchtrap, leaving his mark on her, even if she “locked that part away”
The BEST part about Vanny as a character is that it’s a personal and not one that is tiled to one single person because of that Vanny as a character is literally the same as say Ghostface from Scream where it’s a personal that can be shared with multiple people and one that isn’t directly connected to one single person which is great because realistically even if say for example if the canon ending to Security Breach was one where Vanessa dies it technically wouldn’t also kill Vanny because she’s her own separate personality which again like Ghostface can be shared to another person in terms making Vanny basically immortal
So the reason Gregory drops the elevator would be because he somehow knows Cassie is infected by Vanny, and also somehow knows the only way to kill Vanny is by killing the host/Cassie?
I think the hate for the robot boy is unwarranted. Scott is a massive fan of sci fi as he has stated before. It was what is was. It happened to come out when a lot of hateful people where spouting hateful things and i think a lot of people connected dots that werent there. Judging a story based on little information is a little ignorant imo. I just see it as a story. Nothing more
reminds me of the symbiote taking over peter in the games he becomes more aggressive and it turns out the symbiote is still remaining in his blood venom can still take over
How high is the chance that the vanny personality got attached to the vanny mask which later was picked up by the girl from ruin? That would explain why the mimic and helpi were fighting a bit at times, even though both had a similar goal They both wanted the same thing, but they were completely different personalitys whos had potential other goals too than just freeing the mimic
I hope Cassie sort of being Vanny gets... Done well? Like idk i can see the potential for them to just... Do Vanny, but again so I hope there’s some meaningful subversion or it changes in some way. Idk I just think I’d be annoyed if they were like “here’s an interesting female character!” and then did a fnaf and “woe your dad is more important and now you are once again just dealing with his bs or afton and we’re gonna dispose of you once that plot is done” like Baby. Or charlie. Or Charlie (book). Or Vanessa. Like not only because “wow misogyny in my game? Ew” but also cause its stupid regaurdless if the actual players in the plot have no stake in any of it.
So my idea, vanny learned from glitchtrap. His one mistake of leaving backdoors, so when Cassie's dad is in hw2 its already too late. The normal ending is what vanny did, dumped his mind into the mask bot so she could have free reign. The vanny ending is an unobscured truth showing that is was vanny, not glitchtrap that took over. Notice how vanny crushes glitchtrap, almost to show "I'm better, I'm stronger". I think glitchtrap was used as a pawn by vanny to get a host. He thought he was a part of the game so he played it, giving the pieces to get to princess quest, to try and "get out", but vanny is already out, and doesn't want him back.
As some with Dissociative Identity Disorder (formerly multiple personality disorder, now also sibling disorders with OSDD and other forms of plurality), I’m a bit over the whole “evil personality” trope that seems to be the only partial representation, in the form of allegory, we get (other than outright ableism like that bomb of a movie MKnight Shymalan made about us being murderers). The only positive rep I’ve seen of DID/OSDD that is explicitly called by its name and not allegory is often difficult to watch as a system due to emotion, triggers being touched on like abuse or programming etc. The only,y good rep I can remember is Moon Night and even then there was a theme of violence and a third “evil” personality, and was quite triggering for a lot of systems to watch too. It’s quite…. Stereotypical, ableist and stigmatising imo to use the “evil personality” trope. I’ve felt the consequences of this mentality and stigma firsthand repeatedly and people like me continue to have their ability to consent, access to diagnosis, and rights taken away, if not abused, especially in communities where people may interpret DID/OSDD or plurality as “possession” and try to abuse the person until they “get rid of the spirit”. I’ve also noticed FNaF as a genre leans very heavy into plurality for horror. Like for example; ennard, molten Freddy, the blob, golden Freddy (if u believe the 2 souls theory), lefty/puppet, stitchwraith, Micheal afton post-scoop, vanny/ness/vanni, the mimic/glitchtrap, the Charlie bots in tse, b7, springbonnie/william, the funtimes (remnant exp), mangle, etc.
Broooo....Idk how the heck no one put it together Vanny was stealing our body before this....Wait does that mean...I mean, if Vanny was in the hecking mask, and now Jermey is in the mask, and that mask was given to Cassidy...Does that mean at the end of Help Wanted 2 we see Cassidy getting handed basically her dad's sentience in the mask, I mean, I wonder if any lines from Ruin look different now.
I suppose at that point, how does the Mimic play into all of this? Is it connected to Glitchtrap? Is Vanny going to be working with or against it in the coming games? Are we going to have a three way struggle between Gregory and Vanessa, Cassy/Vanny and Fazbear Entertainment, and the Mimic?
The Mimic is the lynchpin tying the last three games together. The Mimic’s code branches off and studies William’s actions to create Glitchtrap. Glitchtrap infects Vanessa and uses her to take control of the Pizzaplex that is later built. This is because the primary “physical” version of the Mimic is trapped deep below this building. Glitchtrap seeks to merge back into the Mimic program take physical form. But Glitchtrap is stopped by Gregory and is stuck in the Pizzaplex’s system until HW2.
@knatspray did we ever get anything saying it was there before the pizza please was built? Cause that would mean it was under the Pizza Sim building too, and if that's the case I think we're better off nuking that site.
@ Yes, Gregory confirms it’s been stuck under the FNaf6 location for a “really long time”. Henry trapped it there, it seems that he used the FNaf6 location for dealing with a lot of his dirty laundry.
@@knatspray He might've chosen the FNAF 6 location to burn everything in Pizza Sim specifically *because* the Mimic was already trapped down there. He figured it'd get taken out with everything else, too.
17:47 I think it might have been cool if we see burntrap/william like this and thanks to the second time he’s burned, William has lost a lot of his mind/personality leaving him just a killing machine or a shell of his former self. (I might have just said what springtrap is but I just wanted to put this idea out there)
I'm surprised you're the first person I've seen point out the similarities between the Help Wanted 1 and 2 endings. When I first saw the Vanny ending, I immediately read it as our character getting stuck in the digital world and Vanny leaving with our body. The parallel is definitely intentional, and it wouldn't be the first time we've seen a SW game get a follow up with an ending parallel.
8:27 since Gregory went down to the mimic i believe its obvious that he must have gone past the blob but then the whole afton thing was his imagination
I think that GGY/Dr Rab follows similar rules. And that the Brazil ending is Cassie “meeting” Vanny and GGY, who are pretending to be Vanessa and Gregory. It could also be that GGY is Grimic, and Vanny is Helpi. Two personalities without host bodies trying to escape. GGY gets into the Mimic, but still needs someone on the outside to free him. So Vanny needs to use Cassie to do that. Vanny still needs a body, but GGY is the only one that knows enough about Cassie to be able to lure her to the pizzaplex. The two former followers of Glitchtrap have broken out on their own, and are trying to remain in the real world after both being kicked out by their original hosts.
I am a little confused by what you mean that Vanny is still kind of working for Afton considering she crushes glitch trap unless you're more thinking that Vanny is its own individual now separate from the mimic
honestly, there is one parallel nobody seems to talk about with this... *vanny is the child of glitchtrap, and vanessa's mind, the merger of the two* not truly one or the other, but somewhere inbetween much like in the movie, vanny has been glitchtrap's obedient pawn for years, but she actually has her own personality, and is ultimately the reason her father dies, by refusing to act on his orders anymore, or in this case, by squashing glitchtrap entirely vanny may very well still be around, but she'll be different, being able to make her own plans now...
This was what I was wondering as well. Vanny still crushes Glitchtrap, which feels a little counterproductive if she's trying to bring him back. I can believe she's taking over other people's bodies, but feels more like she's a free agent. Which while interesting does beg the question as to what her goal is. Hiding? Immortality? Perhaps trying to create some Acolytes of Afton murder cult? 🤔
It's a good theory, but the one question I have is why it's Glitchtrap's hand that is handing us the 'memories'. According to the theory, choosing to listen to mystic hippo and not do our job is going against what Vanny wants us to do. So does this mean Glitchtrap and Vanny are fighting against each other? If that's the case, why does listening to Vanny bring back Glitchtrap, and why does listening to Glitchtrap kill him? I love HW2, but I don't know if those endings will ever make sense.
Freddy's foot doesn't have prototype on it in SB1, we can see his feet during the upgrades. There's also a part in the game when you go into the daycare about how there's other "hims" and he doesn't know if he's the real him. The Vanny mask was also a "technician mask" worn by the workers there and also didn't have stitches like the one Vanessa left behind. Also with their being a fourth PRincess Quest game, it makes me believe that we didn't save her yet. Also Gregory might be a robot because when he's in SB everything is fine but when Vanny comes around, his vision gets altered even though the animatronics don't have affect him when they're around. Though when Cassie goes to SB everything is destroyed, as if Gregory is in AR himself. It would explain why Cassie only sees him with the mask on in the pop ups in Ruin and also missing as if Gregory is in or went into the AR.
I agree with your points. It does feel stupid for this buildup of Vanny being this big bad, only for her to hardly be used in the game itself. NGL, I would have loved it if Security Breach was 5 nights, instead of one night. It could make things more balanced, and maybe the story wouldn’t be as bad? IDK Edit: The whole Vanny identity is pretty cool. Not only does this give Vanny a fresh start, but it also makes us wonder where this is gonna go. 😱😀👍
@@deadpool123-z9wWe could give him a motivation. We know Gregory was possessed by Glitchtrap but freed at some point and he made a bunch therapists disappear beforehand, we could play with this and say he also did other things under Glitchtrap's influence such as the missing residents? Gregory's classmates and maybe even his parents. Gregory would want know what happened to them and why his memories up to a point is fuzzy, he investigates and it leads to the Pizzaplex and the mysteries held within.
@@deadpool123-z9wmaybe you could say that the first bit of the game is him working for glitchtrap thus hiding in the pizzaplex and messing stuff up and the latter half is him breaking free and teaming up with freddy to escape
Honestly its weird to me that everyone assumes that we are seeing glitchtraps hand give us the plushie/memory doll things but all we see is a hand/arm and stitching...which vanny also has. So whos to say glitchtrap is gone but now vanny (after destroying the last parts of him) can now do glitchtrap type things without answering to anyone. I mean is there any reason the hand couldn't be vannys? ...because I think it is
Depends. With Glitch Trap as a Mimic it is more likely the new personalities are from mimicking something new. Like adding to a list of abilities. Similar to what we see in Ruin with Gregory, and Helpy in the mask. More it has got unique data to copy from. This brings up an interesting thought about Fire Escape ending. Maybe what the ending is now meant to seen as a Mimic hint. That Vanny was actually the Mimic in that ending... Oh that actually works with the Scooby Doo type cartoons they did for Security Breach. It was an endo all along.🤦♀ Not that I am certain with anything FNAF related. More fun to suggest an idea for a theory.
To be honest, I feel like that while you do raise an interesting possiblity, there's a degree oof vagueness within the Vr games that makes me skeptical. Though, to be fair, this new era of fnaf has been leaving significantly more room for interpretation and a lot of what theories I tend to follow are based more on how much I like their narratives (Which is why I'm a huge fan of Duel process's latest fnaf theory, as it made me aware of the recent recurring motif of cycles of abuse). So while this theory is plausible, I do unforunately hope it's not, as that would mean that we'd be splitting focuses on antagonists between the mimic and vanny, and I genuinly pefer that we focus more on the mimic because I think it's a fascnitating anatagonist. I think I'd pefer that Cassie is only symbolically Vanny, in the sense that she's a reluctant follower, but I feel like having her also possesed would dimish that narrative potential of a scared child stuck with a murderous robot with access to an implant in her head.
Here is something that bugs me about the HW2 claw machine ending. Your character has to know the death order. Assuming the MCI was a single night thing (which presumably it was since a single kid going missing should have shut freddies for some time) then only William would know that order.
So, someone at Steel Wool watched Jordan Peele's Get Out and decided to make a FNAF version of it? I'll rock with it. As I've mentioned in previous comments, I like Occam's Razor (to the point of it MAYBE becoming a future tattoo...) and GlitchTrap and Vanny putting folks in the Sunken Place so they can do what they want to do in the modern day is Occam's Razor. They both know that they can't cause mayhem the old fashioned way ala FNAF 1-6 so they gotta get with the times. Plus, if we're leading up to a FNAF version of Endgame with everyone teaming up against The Mimic and Vanny, they've got to come up with and flesh out how Vanny works since 98% of her original origins and use were left on the Security Breach cutting room floor for some godforsaken reason (read: Scott's poor communication skills with the developers according to The Interview 2.0) so now that everyone's on the same page as much as FNAF allows, they're full sending it. Cool.
It’s pretty likely that Vanny and Vanessa are one in the same, but I’m still on the copium train of them being two separate people. Would that make sense? No probably not, but it’s an interesting idea
It's an endless cycle. Afton was indirectly responsible for creating Glitchtrap. Glitchtrap was responsible for creating Vanny. And now Vanny is going to be responsible for much, much more. Glitchtrap was merely the representation of how a horrific past is not easily forgotten or truly gone. Glitchtrap was merely the catilyst for creating something much worse.
8:00 I think the Princess quest ending is the true ending before Ruin, but I just wanted to say that Gregory still could've seen The Blob (or whatever we're calling it these days), because he's definitely been down there many times and know that The Blob exists. He even left his bag behind where the Mimic is. ...Also a different thing I noticed, Ruin has to be a good few years in the future (i mean look at the Pizzaplex. It's literally in "Ruin") so Gregory should've gotten older right? In his teenage years maybe? But he still sounds like a kid. I'm not saying he's a robot or anything...unless in the elevator it WAS the Mimic on the intercom?? And the Mimic only had young Gregory's voice from when he trapped the Mimic. So he wasn't even at the Pizzaplex in Ruin! (...probably would've sounded like a teen too)
Also th b-7 parallel doesn't really work. B-7 was physical and was literally part of Billy's body so in some ways it was literally just one person being split in 2, Vanny doesn't have a physical aspect unless you're assuming Vanessa also had the nerve chip and has had it removed
Here’s my personal headcannon for Vanny. Vanny is still Vanessa, just a separate personality created by William (or Glitchtrap, if you think he’s mimic that’s totally fine don’t go bashing me lol). After she lost her mind, Vanessa’s insanity was the Vanny side of her. Basically, when Vanessa switched to Vanny, her entire appearance changes to my version of Vanny, glitches out and stuff. Vanessa and Vanny argue with eachother in their minds. Vanny hates Vanessa but knows she’s still the same person. Vanessa hates Vanny also knowing Vanny is the same person.
Here’s my take on the whole situation I believe that both ending to happen here’s why: First Cassie’s Dad is entirely possessed by the glitchtrap entity not the vanny personality given the following: 1: collecting the fazformer leaves you vulnerable to glitchtrap and show him leaving the pod in the normal ending 2: during princess quest 4 we attacked the player character to switch the first person section which I feel like shows as being “cut” from our physical being Second that Vanny might still be in Vanessa in a Jekyll and Hyde like situation for a few reasons 1:The Vanni mask mostly like put a chip into Vanessa’s head like Cassie 2:In some of the princess quest mini games one of the abilities to help solve puzzles is to split the princess and her shadow into separate but linked individuals 3: I still think that it is the best explanation for Candy cadet story about the witch with vanny be the scar let on vanessa All in all I feel like personally the story play out like this Gregory free Vanessa from Glitchtrap by beating princess quest 3 but she left the “scar” of the vanny persona who now without being under Glitchtrap control and his code being lessened on the pizzas systems decides to be rid of him with help of Cassie’ Dad, However Glitchtrap see her plan coming and will not able to stop her tricks her into send Cassie’s dad consciousness so deep into the pizzaplex system he left vulnerable and his mind empty for Glitchtrap to escape into the real world using Cassie’s Dad body as a vessel with the Vanny ending in HW2 being her crushing her connection to glitchtrap out entirely and possibly removing him pizzaplex systems and dooming Cassie’s Dad within the digital world but as we see in the normal ending Glitchtrap using Cassie’s Dad trapped in the mask bot to give Cassie the Vanni mask to mostly likely to turn her into his next servant and with Glitchtrap free in the real world possessing Cassie’s Dad body
Haven't played the game yet, but Gregory sounded brainwashed when he said the line. So it's possible that Glitchtrap somehow rebrainwashed Gregory and Vanessa. Add that with the upgraded Glamrock Freddy that results in literally 3 entities under Glitchtrap's control.
Regardless of who she takes over, I’m definetly glad that there’s good evidence for the idea that Vanny is essentially the new Glitchtrap; I was really into the idea given that ending, but that was mostly just based on interpretation of what she does. Idk if I’m totally convinced Cassie will become “the new Vanny, though; I would say “new GGY” or something. Mostly just because saying “the new Vanny” makes it sound like Vanny will dress Cassie up in a smaller bunny suit and kill people, which… seems like it’d be better done by someone older. Then again, we could get a small timeskip of a few years wheres Cassies at least a teenager. Plus it would mean that Gregory and the others would come back too given their connection, which I hope they do; heck, I can see a major difference compared to Vanessa in that Cassie on her own may be pissed at Gregory.🤔
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Venesas spirit is traped in side piza plex her body was the only way to leave, after the Vany jumped, it cut of all conctions to her body. Also all the ending could be real, u just have to puzzle them together,for some reason it feels to me like one story contingency, after getting parts from other animatronics, gregory gets Fredy a new prototipe body, goes against the bots, gregory stops Vany, gos back for fredy gets a diffrend body looses the body again, andthey are left witht the head, thqt could also be behind the sceens used as white tiger, its a streach, but u dont know what to expect with these stories. help waneted two never fully disclose taht it was Venesa, the voice resembles more baby than Vensa The vany merged to Animatronic doesn have plot point, its not about her.Its probably about burn trap and mimic, mimic wants to be hole again. The drawings are more conected to mimic, gregory met up with mimic and grew stuff for him, similar how drawings happend in the movie
I like this theory a lot but if I’m honest I want to see Vanny in Vanessa for at least one or two more games before they change who the Vanny personality hosts.
Can I make a little parallel universe theory because I don’t know why vanny isn’t just a spare endoskeleton with the glitchtrap code mixed with circus baby’s from help wanted I’ll keep running with this
We also are going to see what happennec to Cassie in the Fnaf Interactive Novel Escape From the Pizzaplex, so we'll see if this theory is correct or not.
The parallel is so cool! I thought it was just her leaving him trapped in the V.A.N.N.I network, but you reminded me of why I found her pose so interesting in the first place!
I noticed few conversations spawn about the occipital Implant from Ruin or how it plays a role in Mimic. Or how it makes things that are not there visible like Black Mirror leaving you to question reality.
Oh yeah, the storyteller or glitch trap virus takes basic program personalities and twist them into the worst version of their selves. Like how I’m very imaginative, and happy, but I do have some self doubt. If I was affected by the storyteller or glitch trap virus, my persona will be the psychopathic killer with nihilism complex.
I've thinking the exact same things lately, so I' glad I'm not the only one! Also, thinking on when the franchise is headed, and taking B7-2 as reference to determine how this new era of games will end up... yeah, things aren't looking good for Cassie...
I think the idea that " the truth is somewhere in the middle" maybe should be applied to sb1s endings, all the endings may ring slightly true in some way. Parts of them maybe did happen
what i think is that if tape girl was glitch trap, maybe when the programming was able to be trapped into tapes and broken up it got fleshed out and then became vanny and then, as rye said, moved from host to host
Скотт тебя раскрыли если что незабудь, Бежать - это физическая активность, при которой человек перемещается, ритмично отталкиваясь от земли одной или обеими ногами. Это один из самых простых и доступных видов спорта, который можно выполнять практически в любом месте. Существует несколько видов бега: 1. **Обычный бег** - наиболее распространенный вид, при котором человек бежит по ровной поверхности. 2. **Бег трусцой** - более медленный и спокойный вид бега, который часто используется для поддержания физической формы и улучшения сердечно-сосудистой системы. 3. **Спринт** - быстрый бег на короткие дистанции. 4. **Марафонский бег** - бег на длинные дистанции, обычно более 42 километров. 5. **Бег по пересеченной местности** - бег по неровной поверхности, такой как лес, горы или холмы. 6. **Интервальный бег** - чередование периодов высокой и низкой интенсивности. Бег имеет множество преимуществ для здоровья: - Улучшение сердечно-сосудистой системы. - Укрепление мышц ног и корпуса. - Сжигание калорий и поддержание здорового веса. - Улучшение настроения и снижение уровня стресса. - Улучшение качества сна. - Повышение выносливости и общей физической формы.
Vanessa talking about compartmentalised "him" was about glitchtrap and her dad. Since her dad was apparently afton which makes no sense and I'm glad they dropped that
I’m always so very fond of your theories, Rye - and specially looking forwards to timeline things :D Also! Not sure if there’s a place to recommend games for you to play but i think! In Stars and Time would be really fun to see you play! Its a really, really good game and well written characters that I think you’d have fun voicing/ect :]
The difference in the blob in Breach and Ruin is, that his eyes in the ending glow red, while the ruin blob just has black eyes. The blob in ruin escaped the basement after princess quest was beaten, thats the canon ending. Also, is there meaning to Vanny's eyes turning from orange to full red after she squished glitchtrap? Did she absorb him? Is she now in charge?
i can't believe vanny was william afton the whole time and the mimic isn't real. bravo scott.
No toy chica is William afton
@@deadpool123-z9wwait I thought the Puppet was Afton 💀
@@akatsukizeo999No, we are William Afton. Everyone is William Afton
@@ZaidaNadiaZmaybe the real William afton was the friends we made along the way
*Mattpat is Sans!*
It has only now occurred to me that GGY taking all the high scores in the books might have been nothing but a prod telling us that Gregory beats all of the Princess Quest games for the canon ending.
That would be wild bc that's such a complicated way of telling that and...that fits pretty well into how we get most lore...
The parallel with help wanted 1 and 2 endings makes so much sense. Honestly putting them side by side does significantly help. I’m still curious where secret of the mimic will end up especially if it’s in the later 1970’s. Great video!!
The way I see HW2, Glitchtrap used Cassie's Dad to restore what little of his code was left, killed and stuffed her dad in a staffbot to pass the corrupted mask to Cassie to ensare a new host, BUT her dad maybe as staffbot, found PQ IV to finally purge Glitchtrap completely from the sytem, and freeing his daughter. I think the ending is meant to show the Vanny identity being freed (metaphorically) from Glitchtraps control so if Cassie becomes the new Vanny it'll be from her own choice, which i think is way more interesting.
That is very interesting, but I'm gonna be honest. The FNAF team aren't known for complex villains, and I get the feeling that that's not gonna change any time soon
The problem I have though is...why would Cassie want to/care to? She seems far too empathetic/caring for others, as the developers said she was someone who fixes things. She has zero reason to pursue being a villain/Vanny. She's just a little kid with no technical skills beyond what she passively saw her dad do at times. GGY/Vanny are implied to be programmers/having some capabilities with the systems. I just don't think, between the story so far + Steelwool descriptions of Cassie as a character, that we'll see Cassie be some kind of villain.
@@Ideataster You raise an excellent point! Cassie could never be a villain, but what about an Anti-Hero? Cassie is very empathetic, even to machines that very moments ago tried to kill her, but she helps them anyway. She would feel for their abandonment and mistreatment. Plus Gregory is, as we are aware of, Cassie's only human friend. It doesn't matter if it was the Mimic or actually Gregory, from Cassie, a child's pointof view, her only human friend tried to kill her. Imagine that level of betrayal. We also have to think about MXES. We don't know why or how the old program got connected to the Pizzaplex (or why it was absent from Security Breach, probably because Steelwool didn't conceptualize it than, but the in-universe reason could be it was switched off by a corrupted Vanessa or Gregory), but we know MXES has access to the system, it can see everything, it took control of the security minutes after Cassie started messing with stuff. MXES was designed to contain the Mimic but who knows what information it had happened to bear witness to: all of Fazbear Entertainment's corrupt business practices, the deaths, and negligance (we know the mimic program in part runs the pizzaplexm which is proven to be potentially dangerous). I could easily see Cassie stand up for others who can't protect themselves, ie the ruined animatronics, which are all she has now, her dad's gone. All of Cassie's empathy could be twisted into something darker. Her, MXES and the Ruined Animatronics take a stand against the corporate villains while tracking down the Mimic. As for her conflict with Gregory, its hard to say.
She also still has the V.A.N.N.I mask, which taught her the basics of interacting with the system, it could also in theory teach her more (maybe download MXES to make him portable too), like a How-To encyclapedia for engineering.
Could you imagine an inverse Security Breach like game? Cassie (as a morally grey Vanny instead of an outride villain) and co, breaking into anothar Fazbear building, taking control to find the Mimic or expose Fazbear Ent. and Vanessa and Gregory get caught in the crosshairs. It probably won't happen this way, but it's fun to think about. Fingers crossed for the Escape the Pizzaplex interactive novel.
that's EXACTLY what I believe, too.
@@Ideataster That's where the Africa ending is rather important, it's an ending where she breaks and is completely under Helpy's influence, vs the other two endings where she has managed to maintain control.
According to a steel wool interview Glitchtrap is gone. And the reason security breach ended up the way it did was because of a lack of communication between Scott and the developers.
*Like his story is over in the series? I don't remember that part of the interview, but that's kinda a bummer because that feels like so many loose ends and such a great character with potential wasted, just like Vanny and Security Breach :(*
Glitchtrap might be gone, but VANNI isn't. plus, there might be more than one type of being like Glitchtrap. see Gmimic and Helpi
Scott did mention in his second interview with Dawko that he only gave 'em general ideas of what the story should be more or less, so it's likely something inbetween
@@Fragmentsinfractals488 They're mimic, but Glitchtrap sticks out from them just because the standpoint of the Princess Quest ending in HW 2 and just plot in general.
Gonna point out that Glitchtrap is a rabbit, made of agony and William's remnant (as shown in Princess Quest 1 as the shadow rabbit and Princess Quest 3 as the purple remnant that's floating on Vanny mask and Glitchtrap plushie), and is gone by Ruin. VANNI mask has Mimic1 program, which suggests that he was there the entire time, since Fazbear Ent. used Mimic1 to run the Pizzaplex. If Glitchtrap is dead (judging by the lack of appearance in Ruin and SteelWool interview) by Ruin, and the Mimic is still inside VANNI mask during Ruin, how can Mimic still be Glitchtrap? And don't tell me the "He doesn't need to pretend anymore" kind of stuff, it's lacking any sense. If Mimic1 was installed by Fazbear Ent., then Glitchtrap would not be an anomaly as suggested by HW 2's Princess Quest ending achievement.
What i believe is true, is that Mimic and Glitchtrap fought for control over Vanny, Glitchtrap won at first, but then Gregory cast him back to the VR world, and Cassie's dad put the final nail in the coffin, giving the Mimic full control over Vanny and through Vanny, Mimic kills Glitchtrap for good. That explains why Burntrap is not in Ruin, the Afton remains that took over are now gone, and Mimic already learned from Glitchtrap how to do what he does.
Basically, two forces colliding each other, fighting for control, like FNAF always shows us.
@@SapphireKnight675 I still can't believe it haplened for real. Why? How? How could Scott not get that it would create utter confusion?
I dropped everything to watch this video. You're genuinely one of my favorite theory channels. Keep up the good work!
Thank you!
@@RyeToast14:47 i think it was matpat at the time might be Tom but it is game theory
13:25 is that new art for Cassie's dad? I like this one a lot better than the old one which just made him look sad as opposed to just sneaky.
Link in the description says it’s barBARdroid’s art so it’s non-canon art but I like it. Fits the sb flat style well. They’re also the thumbnail artist for Rye
So, in the timeline currently
Gregory and Vannessa are somewhere together. They seem to be doing something involved in the story based on Gregory's lines at the end of RUIN. Cassies dad is likely dead. Cassie herself is the new Vanny, and whether or not she's still in her own body, she is stuck at the bottom of the pizzaplex with the other villain, the mimic. The next game will likely be backstory for the mimic and then whatever comes next SHOULD bring us up to speed on what Gregory and Vannessa are up to, but (let's be honest) it won't
Well with The scooper ending we know that mimic s fate is unknown because The suit after The smoke clears its empty Cassie is still with vanny on her mind and trapped underground The mimic possibly Now having remmenant on his boby now because we ALL need tô know that scooper is an remmenant injector Machines Afton used on The Funtime Animatronics which were part of The souls of The MCI só The scooper Must have injected remmenant on The mimic and maybe mimic know being an destroyed endo with agony and some remmenant by The scooper like The Funtime fusioned themselfs into one Animatronic ennard só The mimic may end up fusioning with The blob creating a New Animatronic maybe an upgraded Tiger Rock amalgamation If The scooper ending is Canon as The New update hints só for The next game we may have a New location with Cassie being kinda of an villain because of vanny and some stuff of The mimic and in The ending we free Cassie but we got The reveal of The mimic fusioned with The blob An Tiger Rock amalgamation making An parallel with The fazbear frights when Afton becomes agony and maybe The mask bot(Cassie s dad) may play An important rolê with this maybe doing The same that puppet does in The fazbear frights fusioning with The amalgamation and Destroy It and vanny takes ALL The agony for herself and creates a New boby for herself to use
Things I think.
1. If the Vanny persona theory is true then I think it’s possible that Cassie will be saved similar to how Vanessa was saved but vanny will either try to look for a new Host/Vessel or find a way to create her own new Body.
2. If the Tales books are canon then Gregory at some point was also freed from the Doctor Rabbit Persona but it’s never revealed where or what happened to that persona.
3. I think it’s possible that Vanny will use the ruined Pizzaplex or an entirely new Location as her Base of Operations.
4. I like to think that the Vanny persona is created from the Agony and the most Negative Aspects of Vanessa’s Psyche so that would make them polar opposites.
5. I think originally vanny during security breach was gonna somehow overcome and betray glitchtrap and take the spotlight, also as a a way to keep her identity a secret she should’ve been called something like Giovanni.
6. To me vanny seems to either be a Psychotic Servant or a Obsessive Sociopath/Psychopath, Vanny seems to be Mentally Unstable and not fully aware of what she’s truly doing but she also seems to be aware and take immense pleasure in her crimes or just feeling nothing.
I like this
Honestly they could make a rabbit clown animatronic that takes cues from Circus Baby.
So, what you`re saying is that it moves her from being a different side of Vanessa, having a split personality, to a full personality, if I`m understanding correctly. Actually, did Glitchtrap make her, and then she might want to become her own person, like a living psyche or sumin?
For me, I wonder why staring at the plush specifically in HW triggers a conversation, it's not like there's a walkie talkie in there... 😅👀
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Glitchtrap has so many links to CC,it’s unreal. Thanks for adding another to the pile!
Game Theory mentioned it as I believe Tom's first fnaf theory as host.
Help Wanted 2 my beloved
fr its such a goated game
The only other channel I know of that said both endings were canon is Game Theory in a video MatPat did about 11 months ago so I'm going to mention it as it was asked for at 14:58
“Not every story has to have significance, you try to read into every little thing and find meaning in what anyone says, you’ll just drive yourself crazy. You’ll likely end up believing something you shouldn’t believe and thinking something you shouldn’t think, or assuming something you shouldn’t assume.”
That's amazing I'm gonna subscribe
Thank u Mr hippo
Had a friend do it once, wasn’t pretty.. we talked about it for years
@@tiago_xo now I always thought that had some sort of lore importance
I’m pretty sure game theory had a theory similar to this, I haven’t seen the video in a while but I do remember game theory saying something to do with two endings being canon
Hey Rye?
Crazy theory; what if we've been wrong about the HW2 protag this whole time?
You play as someone who 1) is the last human employee of the Plex 2) wears a vanni mask 3) has some connectiong to glitchyboy, with the corrupted files having his face and 4) has an ending where they are torn apart by staff bots, and then hands Cassie the mask
What if the player is Vanessa? We know Vaness was the last employee, so taking odd jobs makes a lot of sense for her. We KNOW she stays around the Plex if she was in the Mimic basement. What if she gave Roxy the headpiece?
Idk, crazy idea that popped in my head as I listened. Maybe the crane ending is Vanessa losing it to Vanny?
This would make both HW games have a lot of significance to Vanessa's character. Idk, obviously not perfect but a lot of stuff does fit, and there doesnt need to be this mystery third person who's never been seen anywhere else before except two lines of Cassie dialogue
This is a super cool theory! Obvs idk which is more likely, Vanny or Cassies Dad, but it is really fun to think about if it was Vanny, there's a lot of supporting evidence and makes a lot of things make sense. 🤔
The only thing i can think regarding this is, why does the bonnie mast look familiar?
I do like your thought process however. But i also like the theory of cassies dad being the bonnie bully too.
@@kamranhussain3159 Oh I'm a huge fan of the Cassie's dad theory of course, and it's heartbreaking that he then is maskbot and brings his daughter in
Vanessa being the player is just a thought
This is super unsatisfying narratively
@theghostcreator776 how so? I don't necessarily disagree, but with the state of the narrative, not much isn't disappointing in some way
17:24 I thought about Vanny kind of "replacing" glitchtrap in some way, and maybe the reason the AR environment looks different from Ruin to Help Wanted 2 is because the Vanny persona infected it? idk, but since HW2 happens before Ruin this is the reason of the changes of the AR world (from showing everything clean when it's really messy to show stuff even more corrupted with purple, which is William's color)
I believe you're in the right direction, i feel like we'd have alot more information if Security Breach wasn't wildly miscommunicated between Scott and Steel Wool, if we can get more insight on what Security Breach was supposed to be, i think this video could be close if not perfect, keep it up Rye!
I agree with almost everything, this was a fantastic theory and really helped organize my own thoughts on the games. The only squabble I have is with the ending where he becomes mask bot, freeing Glitchtrap. I think that Vanny crushing Glitchtrap was the mimic (using Vanny), to kill the persona he had been mimicking since it was no longer useful. Now he controls Vanny fully separately from Glitchtrap, as we dont see Glitchtrap's hand, but the mimics leaving the pod. He is leaving the pod because he no longer is playing the role of William Anton. That is why when Cassie meets the Mimic he isn't In the bunny suit. The games are telling us that we are moving on from William Afton, that the mimic is our big bad fully as his own entity, and may end up mimicking someone else in the future.
It would be kinda insane if in the next game there’s “Cassy” and the main villain is an actual child. Kinda full circle that a story about a bunch of child victims leads to a child antagonist
not me looking at the thumbnail and thinking hw meant HOMEWORK 😭
Another fascinating video.
Another idea to consider is what Gregory's role will be in the grand scheme of things. Chances are, whether or not he was the one who dropped the elevator, he and Cassie will most likely meet again (assuming she's still alive). Things will probably be tense when that happens, and could make for an interesting conclusion, whether through redemption or retribution.
There's also Gregory's origin and WHY he's doing what he's doing.
Just want to link into the pit here where spring trap takes over the dad, just a bit of a thought
Pit Bonnie replaces the dad,he doesn’t take over his body. Based on the night sections,anyway
@WilliamAaronTheYapmaster true, knew it was a long shot but definitely fits in this sort of category of issues
@@IposAnguis That’s very true
My working theory is that it’s either Cassie (she identifies Vanny’s mask as the mask she’s wearing in Ruin so not a massive stretch) as she does have a voice in her head BEFORE she gets the Vanni mask,which feels very Glitchtrap, or the Glitchtrap that possessed Vanny’s body escaped and is usurping Glitchtrap Prime,taking the form of Vanny because it’s a digital creature and can look like whatever it wants
Couldn't this theory also suggest that Gregory wasn't the one to free Vanessa but instead it was Jeremy? If so, it would explain why he is in a staffbot body now. The other staff bots attacking him are "nightmare staffbots". So this instead could just act as a metaphor of how him "being" a staffbot is a nightmare rather than the literal sense of "I was physically attacked by the robot janitors who were wearing makeup".
I know this will be a controversial opinion:
Not only do I agree with you that Vanny is a separate personality to Vaneesa; but, I think she is either Elizabeth or Circus Baby.
There is *a ton* of similarities and connections between Vanny, Vanessa, Elizabeth, and Baby that make me think so: Vanessa resembling Elizabeth, Vanny's childish personality, Vanny being implied to puppet Mystic Hippo in Help Wanted 2, Circus Baby asking "What makes you so special?" like Mystic Hippo does, and right befkre we encounter Vanny in the PQ ending in HW2, we enter a recreation of the Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rentals elevator, emphasized by Circus Baby's poster.
I really like that connection you made between Glitchtrap and Vanny in their endings in HW1 and HW2, respectively, snd gives me hope that Vanny will reappear in a future title. Hopefully looking for another host as you said.
Plus Glitchtrap can't just "make" a personality. If Vanny is a seperate personality to William or the mimic (which makes sense because they don't just do what they want, they have to command Vanny) then it has to be a different entity. And Baby wants to make her Daddy proud.
@CottonCandySharks Thanks for bringing up Elizabeth's desire to gain William's approval. I wanted to comment about that using Baby/Elizabeth wanting to please William in The Fourth Closet but, if I remember correctly, she didn't betray William there how Vanny betrayed Glitchtrap in HW2.
Then again, they are two separate continuities so they are going in different directions.
And it makes sense that Glitchtrap can't just make another personality. We'd have probably seen him do that more than once by now.
Neither Elizabeth nor Circus Baby have the personality Vanny is said to have. Neither are cold or quiet in any regard.
Well if the digital consciousnesses are probably using data from different people. So Vanny was probably an amalgamation of Baby and probably someone else.
So would that mean glitchtrap in the first help wanted was Gregory. Which would explain why in the book he uses the name Dr. Rabbit. That would also mean the voice we hear when you stare at the glitchtrap plushie was Gregory’s. That could also explain why cassie wasn’t allowed to leave at the end of ruin because she had already been infected by the virus. Therefore if Gregory (and possibly Vanessa) were the ones to break the elevator, they could have done that to stop the virus from spreading further by being passed on to someone else using that mask. This could probably tie in with B7-2; if the host dies, the virus dies with them.
I’m starting to regret ever liking glitchtrap
@dylanhudec979 haha honestly same
You know, I’ve begun to feel like FNAF theorizing would benefit a great deal from using the perspective that it’s all a metaphor about “the cycle of abuse” and how many people can get tangled up in it instead of a murder mystery, and this idea with the Vanny mask kinda solidifies it for me.
Idk I just find the story easier to digest that way. Trying to logic all this out in any other way has caused my ears to start smoking while Mr. Hippo’s “Sometimes a story is just a story” echoes in my head.
There are 2 question that had been lingering in my mind for a while and I think it’d be an interesting topic to discuss.
First, thanks to this video, if GGY is real then where is he? I like a lot this theory, that those personalities are extensions that can be removed but still exist. So, where could GGY be? I’m kinda curious because I (personally) never understood how GGY could be cannon in games, since we haven’t seen much evidence about his existence. Sure, Gregory having foggy memory when Breach started could be, but at the same time not, maybe Vanny kidnapped the kid and kept him drugged or something and that’s why he’s confused. I also think that if we believe that dialogue of Vanny about she chose one personally in Dread Bear DLC refers to she choosing another victim for Glitchtrap, we don’t know for what exactly.
Some people say that is to replace Vanny because she didn’t take completely over Vanessa, but why would Vanny choose a replacement rather than a new host? Following the logic of this video, Vanny used as a host Cassie’s dad to do stuff and then find a better one, with this, I think Vanny wouldn’t like to find neither someone to help her nor replace her. Therefore, I don’t think GGY exists.
Unless, maybe Vanny used for a while Gregory as her new host but somehow he freed himself or someone else did, then Vanny just went back to Vanessa (I know is a stretch but is the only thing I think could kinda work for GGY to sorta exist.).
My second question is where did the tangle go to? We saw that thing leaving at the beginning of Ruin, what’s up with it? Should we be concerned about its existence? Most of the people, whenever they talk about the tangle, just kinda explain what it is and that it left the pizzeria in ruin. I think it’ll be interesting to theorize what’s going on with it.
the real vanny was the generational trauma we inherit all along
Tbh i feel like cassie will have a stronger will to be freed from vanny, i personally think she ve a temporary villain before being snapped out of it, but because of Gregory actions and everything she done for him it's gonna be hard to sway her back on our side. Wouldn't be surprised in the future we get an adult cassie lurking deep within the pizza plex still run down as we play as a new protagonist maybe curious child or adult seeing cassie be our antagonist
An inner cycle, whoa a bit much?
I think that every time the Mimic program infects/possesses someone, it creates an exaggerated copy of the person. This then becomes a unique instance of the program (Glitchtrap, GGY, Vanny, IRL Ruin Mimic, HELPI, VIP) that can often butt heads with the other versions of the program. The similarities between Vanny and Glitchtrap should be obvious, since Vanny is a copy of the mimic virus that’s already filtered through glitchtrap, leaving his mark on her, even if she “locked that part away”
The BEST part about Vanny as a character is that it’s a personal and not one that is tiled to one single person because of that Vanny as a character is literally the same as say Ghostface from Scream where it’s a personal that can be shared with multiple people and one that isn’t directly connected to one single person which is great because realistically even if say for example if the canon ending to Security Breach was one where Vanessa dies it technically wouldn’t also kill Vanny because she’s her own separate personality which again like Ghostface can be shared to another person in terms making Vanny basically immortal
So the reason Gregory drops the elevator would be because he somehow knows Cassie is infected by Vanny, and also somehow knows the only way to kill Vanny is by killing the host/Cassie?
I think the hate for the robot boy is unwarranted. Scott is a massive fan of sci fi as he has stated before. It was what is was. It happened to come out when a lot of hateful people where spouting hateful things and i think a lot of people connected dots that werent there. Judging a story based on little information is a little ignorant imo. I just see it as a story. Nothing more
If one of the games is Cassie saving her dad would be so adorable and a perfect mirror of Michael destroying his dad
reminds me of the symbiote taking over peter in the games he becomes more aggressive and it turns out the symbiote is still remaining in his blood venom can still take over
How high is the chance that the vanny personality got attached to the vanny mask which later was picked up by the girl from ruin?
That would explain why the mimic and helpi were fighting a bit at times, even though both had a similar goal
They both wanted the same thing, but they were completely different personalitys whos had potential other goals too than just freeing the mimic
I hope Cassie sort of being Vanny gets... Done well? Like idk i can see the potential for them to just... Do Vanny, but again so I hope there’s some meaningful subversion or it changes in some way. Idk I just think I’d be annoyed if they were like “here’s an interesting female character!” and then did a fnaf and “woe your dad is more important and now you are once again just dealing with his bs or afton and we’re gonna dispose of you once that plot is done” like Baby. Or charlie. Or Charlie (book). Or Vanessa. Like not only because “wow misogyny in my game? Ew” but also cause its stupid regaurdless if the actual players in the plot have no stake in any of it.
So my idea, vanny learned from glitchtrap. His one mistake of leaving backdoors, so when Cassie's dad is in hw2 its already too late. The normal ending is what vanny did, dumped his mind into the mask bot so she could have free reign. The vanny ending is an unobscured truth showing that is was vanny, not glitchtrap that took over. Notice how vanny crushes glitchtrap, almost to show "I'm better, I'm stronger". I think glitchtrap was used as a pawn by vanny to get a host. He thought he was a part of the game so he played it, giving the pieces to get to princess quest, to try and "get out", but vanny is already out, and doesn't want him back.
As some with Dissociative Identity Disorder (formerly multiple personality disorder, now also sibling disorders with OSDD and other forms of plurality), I’m a bit over the whole “evil personality” trope that seems to be the only partial representation, in the form of allegory, we get (other than outright ableism like that bomb of a movie MKnight Shymalan made about us being murderers). The only positive rep I’ve seen of DID/OSDD that is explicitly called by its name and not allegory is often difficult to watch as a system due to emotion, triggers being touched on like abuse or programming etc. The only,y good rep I can remember is Moon Night and even then there was a theme of violence and a third “evil” personality, and was quite triggering for a lot of systems to watch too. It’s quite…. Stereotypical, ableist and stigmatising imo to use the “evil personality” trope. I’ve felt the consequences of this mentality and stigma firsthand repeatedly and people like me continue to have their ability to consent, access to diagnosis, and rights taken away, if not abused, especially in communities where people may interpret DID/OSDD or plurality as “possession” and try to abuse the person until they “get rid of the spirit”. I’ve also noticed FNaF as a genre leans very heavy into plurality for horror. Like for example; ennard, molten Freddy, the blob, golden Freddy (if u believe the 2 souls theory), lefty/puppet, stitchwraith, Micheal afton post-scoop, vanny/ness/vanni, the mimic/glitchtrap, the Charlie bots in tse, b7, springbonnie/william, the funtimes (remnant exp), mangle, etc.
Broooo....Idk how the heck no one put it together Vanny was stealing our body before this....Wait does that mean...I mean, if Vanny was in the hecking mask, and now Jermey is in the mask, and that mask was given to Cassidy...Does that mean at the end of Help Wanted 2 we see Cassidy getting handed basically her dad's sentience in the mask, I mean, I wonder if any lines from Ruin look different now.
I suppose at that point, how does the Mimic play into all of this? Is it connected to Glitchtrap? Is Vanny going to be working with or against it in the coming games? Are we going to have a three way struggle between Gregory and Vanessa, Cassy/Vanny and Fazbear Entertainment, and the Mimic?
The Mimic is the lynchpin tying the last three games together. The Mimic’s code branches off and studies William’s actions to create Glitchtrap. Glitchtrap infects Vanessa and uses her to take control of the Pizzaplex that is later built. This is because the primary “physical” version of the Mimic is trapped deep below this building. Glitchtrap seeks to merge back into the Mimic program take physical form. But Glitchtrap is stopped by Gregory and is stuck in the Pizzaplex’s system until HW2.
@knatspray did we ever get anything saying it was there before the pizza please was built? Cause that would mean it was under the Pizza Sim building too, and if that's the case I think we're better off nuking that site.
@ Yes, Gregory confirms it’s been stuck under the FNaf6 location for a “really long time”. Henry trapped it there, it seems that he used the FNaf6 location for dealing with a lot of his dirty laundry.
@@knatspray He might've chosen the FNAF 6 location to burn everything in Pizza Sim specifically *because* the Mimic was already trapped down there. He figured it'd get taken out with everything else, too.
@ that is a very safe assumption, indeed
A detail no one talks about is how vannessa says how it's not the night for this as if something important was going to happen
17:47 I think it might have been cool if we see burntrap/william like this and thanks to the second time he’s burned, William has lost a lot of his mind/personality leaving him just a killing machine or a shell of his former self. (I might have just said what springtrap is but I just wanted to put this idea out there)
I'm surprised you're the first person I've seen point out the similarities between the Help Wanted 1 and 2 endings. When I first saw the Vanny ending, I immediately read it as our character getting stuck in the digital world and Vanny leaving with our body. The parallel is definitely intentional, and it wouldn't be the first time we've seen a SW game get a follow up with an ending parallel.
8:27 since Gregory went down to the mimic i believe its obvious that he must have gone past the blob but then the whole afton thing was his imagination
I think that GGY/Dr Rab follows similar rules. And that the Brazil ending is Cassie “meeting” Vanny and GGY, who are pretending to be Vanessa and Gregory. It could also be that GGY is Grimic, and Vanny is Helpi. Two personalities without host bodies trying to escape. GGY gets into the Mimic, but still needs someone on the outside to free him. So Vanny needs to use Cassie to do that. Vanny still needs a body, but GGY is the only one that knows enough about Cassie to be able to lure her to the pizzaplex. The two former followers of Glitchtrap have broken out on their own, and are trying to remain in the real world after both being kicked out by their original hosts.
I am a little confused by what you mean that Vanny is still kind of working for Afton considering she crushes glitch trap unless you're more thinking that Vanny is its own individual now separate from the mimic
honestly, there is one parallel nobody seems to talk about with this...
*vanny is the child of glitchtrap, and vanessa's mind, the merger of the two*
not truly one or the other, but somewhere inbetween
much like in the movie, vanny has been glitchtrap's obedient pawn for years, but she actually has her own personality, and is ultimately the reason her father dies, by refusing to act on his orders anymore, or in this case, by squashing glitchtrap entirely
vanny may very well still be around, but she'll be different, being able to make her own plans now...
This was what I was wondering as well. Vanny still crushes Glitchtrap, which feels a little counterproductive if she's trying to bring him back. I can believe she's taking over other people's bodies, but feels more like she's a free agent.
Which while interesting does beg the question as to what her goal is. Hiding? Immortality? Perhaps trying to create some Acolytes of Afton murder cult? 🤔
@@Lionfire42 I bet she's still scheming and "evil", and does still have to possess people in order to actually DO anything...
@jan_harald at least you didn’t bring any relations with glitchtrap and the mimic
@@dylanhudec979 no need to point out the obvious ;P
It's a good theory, but the one question I have is why it's Glitchtrap's hand that is handing us the 'memories'. According to the theory, choosing to listen to mystic hippo and not do our job is going against what Vanny wants us to do. So does this mean Glitchtrap and Vanny are fighting against each other? If that's the case, why does listening to Vanny bring back Glitchtrap, and why does listening to Glitchtrap kill him? I love HW2, but I don't know if those endings will ever make sense.
Freddy's foot doesn't have prototype on it in SB1, we can see his feet during the upgrades. There's also a part in the game when you go into the daycare about how there's other "hims" and he doesn't know if he's the real him. The Vanny mask was also a "technician mask" worn by the workers there and also didn't have stitches like the one Vanessa left behind. Also with their being a fourth PRincess Quest game, it makes me believe that we didn't save her yet. Also Gregory might be a robot because when he's in SB everything is fine but when Vanny comes around, his vision gets altered even though the animatronics don't have affect him when they're around. Though when Cassie goes to SB everything is destroyed, as if Gregory is in AR himself. It would explain why Cassie only sees him with the mask on in the pop ups in Ruin and also missing as if Gregory is in or went into the AR.
I agree with your points. It does feel stupid for this buildup of Vanny being this big bad, only for her to hardly be used in the game itself.
NGL, I would have loved it if Security Breach was 5 nights, instead of one night. It could make things more balanced, and maybe the story wouldn’t be as bad? IDK
Edit: The whole Vanny identity is pretty cool. Not only does this give Vanny a fresh start, but it also makes us wonder where this is gonna go. 😱😀👍
Why would Gregory keep coming back
@@deadpool123-z9wWe could give him a motivation. We know Gregory was possessed by Glitchtrap but freed at some point and he made a bunch therapists disappear beforehand, we could play with this and say he also did other things under Glitchtrap's influence such as the missing residents? Gregory's classmates and maybe even his parents. Gregory would want know what happened to them and why his memories up to a point is fuzzy, he investigates and it leads to the Pizzaplex and the mysteries held within.
@@deadpool123-z9wmaybe you could say that the first bit of the game is him working for glitchtrap thus hiding in the pizzaplex and messing stuff up and the latter half is him breaking free and teaming up with freddy to escape
More balanced? The game already lasts longer for the player than most games how would make it good? It wouldn't change anything.
Probably not, but I’m just saying it would have been nice.
Honestly its weird to me that everyone assumes that we are seeing glitchtraps hand give us the plushie/memory doll things but all we see is a hand/arm and stitching...which vanny also has. So whos to say glitchtrap is gone but now vanny (after destroying the last parts of him) can now do glitchtrap type things without answering to anyone. I mean is there any reason the hand couldn't be vannys? ...because I think it is
Depends. With Glitch Trap as a Mimic it is more likely the new personalities are from mimicking something new. Like adding to a list of abilities. Similar to what we see in Ruin with Gregory, and Helpy in the mask. More it has got unique data to copy from. This brings up an interesting thought about Fire Escape ending. Maybe what the ending is now meant to seen as a Mimic hint. That Vanny was actually the Mimic in that ending... Oh that actually works with the Scooby Doo type cartoons they did for Security Breach. It was an endo all along.🤦♀
Not that I am certain with anything FNAF related. More fun to suggest an idea for a theory.
I actually have a theory that the line we hear with the mask isn't actually Venessa but Gregory
To be honest, I feel like that while you do raise an interesting possiblity, there's a degree oof vagueness within the Vr games that makes me skeptical.
Though, to be fair, this new era of fnaf has been leaving significantly more room for interpretation and a lot of what theories I tend to follow are based more on how much I like their narratives (Which is why I'm a huge fan of Duel process's latest fnaf theory, as it made me aware of the recent recurring motif of cycles of abuse).
So while this theory is plausible, I do unforunately hope it's not, as that would mean that we'd be splitting focuses on antagonists between the mimic and vanny, and I genuinly pefer that we focus more on the mimic because I think it's a fascnitating anatagonist. I think I'd pefer that Cassie is only symbolically Vanny, in the sense that she's a reluctant follower, but I feel like having her also possesed would dimish that narrative potential of a scared child stuck with a murderous robot with access to an implant in her head.
Maybe the real vanny was the friends we nade along the way
I’ve got a theory that Vanny actually isn’t real, but is instead a completely digital entity
I think the most unbelievable part of this is that the Vanny mask is wood
Here is something that bugs me about the HW2 claw machine ending. Your character has to know the death order. Assuming the MCI was a single night thing (which presumably it was since a single kid going missing should have shut freddies for some time) then only William would know that order.
So, Vanny is ghostface, Glitchtrap is Ultron, and the Mimic is Frankenstein’s monster?
So, someone at Steel Wool watched Jordan Peele's Get Out and decided to make a FNAF version of it? I'll rock with it. As I've mentioned in previous comments, I like Occam's Razor (to the point of it MAYBE becoming a future tattoo...) and GlitchTrap and Vanny putting folks in the Sunken Place so they can do what they want to do in the modern day is Occam's Razor. They both know that they can't cause mayhem the old fashioned way ala FNAF 1-6 so they gotta get with the times. Plus, if we're leading up to a FNAF version of Endgame with everyone teaming up against The Mimic and Vanny, they've got to come up with and flesh out how Vanny works since 98% of her original origins and use were left on the Security Breach cutting room floor for some godforsaken reason (read: Scott's poor communication skills with the developers according to The Interview 2.0) so now that everyone's on the same page as much as FNAF allows, they're full sending it. Cool.
It’s pretty likely that Vanny and Vanessa are one in the same, but I’m still on the copium train of them being two separate people. Would that make sense? No probably not, but it’s an interesting idea
It's an endless cycle. Afton was indirectly responsible for creating Glitchtrap. Glitchtrap was responsible for creating Vanny. And now Vanny is going to be responsible for much, much more. Glitchtrap was merely the representation of how a horrific past is not easily forgotten or truly gone. Glitchtrap was merely the catilyst for creating something much worse.
8:00 I think the Princess quest ending is the true ending before Ruin, but I just wanted to say that Gregory still could've seen The Blob (or whatever we're calling it these days), because he's definitely been down there many times and know that The Blob exists. He even left his bag behind where the Mimic is.
...Also a different thing I noticed, Ruin has to be a good few years in the future (i mean look at the Pizzaplex. It's literally in "Ruin") so Gregory should've gotten older right? In his teenage years maybe? But he still sounds like a kid. I'm not saying he's a robot or anything...unless in the elevator it WAS the Mimic on the intercom?? And the Mimic only had young Gregory's voice from when he trapped the Mimic. So he wasn't even at the Pizzaplex in Ruin! (...probably would've sounded like a teen too)
Also th b-7 parallel doesn't really work. B-7 was physical and was literally part of Billy's body so in some ways it was literally just one person being split in 2, Vanny doesn't have a physical aspect unless you're assuming Vanessa also had the nerve chip and has had it removed
Here’s my personal headcannon for Vanny.
Vanny is still Vanessa, just a separate personality created by William (or Glitchtrap, if you think he’s mimic that’s totally fine don’t go bashing me lol). After she lost her mind, Vanessa’s insanity was the Vanny side of her. Basically, when Vanessa switched to Vanny, her entire appearance changes to my version of Vanny, glitches out and stuff. Vanessa and Vanny argue with eachother in their minds. Vanny hates Vanessa but knows she’s still the same person. Vanessa hates Vanny also knowing Vanny is the same person.
Here’s my take on the whole situation I believe that both ending to happen here’s why:
First Cassie’s Dad is entirely possessed by the glitchtrap entity not the vanny personality given the following:
1: collecting the fazformer leaves you vulnerable to glitchtrap and show him leaving the pod in the normal ending
2: during princess quest 4 we attacked the player character to switch the first person section which I feel like shows as being “cut” from our physical being
Second that Vanny might still be in Vanessa in a Jekyll and Hyde like situation for a few reasons
1:The Vanni mask mostly like put a chip into Vanessa’s head like Cassie
2:In some of the princess quest mini games one of the abilities to help solve puzzles is to split the princess and her shadow into separate but linked individuals
3: I still think that it is the best explanation for Candy cadet story about the witch with vanny be the scar let on vanessa
All in all I feel like personally the story play out like this Gregory free Vanessa from Glitchtrap by beating princess quest 3 but she left the “scar” of the vanny persona who now without being under Glitchtrap control and his code being lessened on the pizzas systems decides to be rid of him with help of Cassie’ Dad, However Glitchtrap see her plan coming and will not able to stop her tricks her into send Cassie’s dad consciousness so deep into the pizzaplex system he left vulnerable and his mind empty for Glitchtrap to escape into the real world using Cassie’s Dad body as a vessel with the Vanny ending in HW2 being her crushing her connection to glitchtrap out entirely and possibly removing him pizzaplex systems and dooming Cassie’s Dad within the digital world but as we see in the normal ending Glitchtrap using Cassie’s Dad trapped in the mask bot to give Cassie the Vanni mask to mostly likely to turn her into his next servant and with Glitchtrap free in the real world possessing Cassie’s Dad body
that cat must know all the lore
If all of this is correct, it means Gregory did let Cassie die in the elevator for the purpose of killing Vanny, this makes me believe it more
Haven't played the game yet, but Gregory sounded brainwashed when he said the line. So it's possible that Glitchtrap somehow rebrainwashed Gregory and Vanessa. Add that with the upgraded Glamrock Freddy that results in literally 3 entities under Glitchtrap's control.
Regardless of who she takes over, I’m definetly glad that there’s good evidence for the idea that Vanny is essentially the new Glitchtrap; I was really into the idea given that ending, but that was mostly just based on interpretation of what she does.
Idk if I’m totally convinced Cassie will become “the new Vanny, though; I would say “new GGY” or something. Mostly just because saying “the new Vanny” makes it sound like Vanny will dress Cassie up in a smaller bunny suit and kill people, which… seems like it’d be better done by someone older. Then again, we could get a small timeskip of a few years wheres Cassies at least a teenager.
Plus it would mean that Gregory and the others would come back too given their connection, which I hope they do; heck, I can see a major difference compared to Vanessa in that Cassie on her own may be pissed at Gregory.🤔
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Venesas spirit is traped in side piza plex her body was the only way to leave, after the Vany jumped, it cut of all conctions to her body.
Also all the ending could be real, u just have to puzzle them together,for some reason it feels to me like one story contingency, after getting parts from other animatronics, gregory gets Fredy a new prototipe body, goes against the bots, gregory stops Vany, gos back for fredy gets a diffrend body looses the body again, andthey are left witht the head, thqt could also be behind the sceens used as white tiger, its a streach, but u dont know what to expect with these stories.
help waneted two never fully disclose taht it was Venesa, the voice resembles more baby than Vensa
The vany merged to Animatronic doesn have plot point, its not about her.Its probably about burn trap and mimic, mimic wants to be hole again.
The drawings are more conected to mimic, gregory met up with mimic and grew stuff for him, similar how drawings happend in the movie
I like this theory a lot but if I’m honest I want to see Vanny in Vanessa for at least one or two more games before they change who the Vanny personality hosts.
Can I make a little parallel universe theory because I don’t know why vanny isn’t just a spare endoskeleton with the glitchtrap code mixed with circus baby’s from help wanted I’ll keep running with this
We also are going to see what happennec to Cassie in the Fnaf Interactive Novel Escape From the Pizzaplex, so we'll see if this theory is correct or not.
The parallel is so cool! I thought it was just her leaving him trapped in the V.A.N.N.I network, but you reminded me of why I found her pose so interesting in the first place!
I noticed few conversations spawn about the occipital Implant from Ruin or how it plays a role in Mimic. Or how it makes things that are not there visible like Black Mirror leaving you to question reality.
Oh yeah, the storyteller or glitch trap virus takes basic program personalities and twist them into the worst version of their selves. Like how I’m very imaginative, and happy, but I do have some self doubt. If I was affected by the storyteller or glitch trap virus, my persona will be the psychopathic killer with nihilism complex.
I've thinking the exact same things lately, so I' glad I'm not the only one! Also, thinking on when the franchise is headed, and taking B7-2 as reference to determine how this new era of games will end up... yeah, things aren't looking good for Cassie...
0:03 IS THAT GIGA MONTY????
That's what I thought
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Vanny is just a ghost face type character
damn i can't belive vanny transed cassie's dad's gender
I'm so glad the trend of security breach being a horrible trashfire won't die anytime soon
Interesting theory but I also think petrichor1987 theory about vannys being girls and the other one is patient 46 holds a lot of water
10:08 Why do you have a beef with the story b-7 ?
Crazy to think that ruin was already over a year ago and I watched all of dawkos ruin playthroughs like 10 minutes after they were out
I think the idea that " the truth is somewhere in the middle" maybe should be applied to sb1s endings, all the endings may ring slightly true in some way. Parts of them maybe did happen
That discovery is amusing, suddenly the Bonnie mask on PQIV feels like it has a new layer of significance now
what i think is that if tape girl was glitch trap, maybe when the programming was able to be trapped into tapes and broken up it got fleshed out and then became vanny and then, as rye said, moved from host to host
15:16 everyone’s made that connection Rye 😅
This is the first theory about HW2 that is plausible and I'm obsessed.
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5. **Бег по пересеченной местности** - бег по неровной поверхности, такой как лес, горы или холмы.
6. **Интервальный бег** - чередование периодов высокой и низкой интенсивности.
Бег имеет множество преимуществ для здоровья:
- Улучшение сердечно-сосудистой системы.
- Укрепление мышц ног и корпуса.
- Сжигание калорий и поддержание здорового веса.
- Улучшение настроения и снижение уровня стресса.
- Улучшение качества сна.
- Повышение выносливости и общей физической формы.
as a DID person, Vanny being an alter / introject for Vanessa is one of my favorite takes >:)
Vanessa talking about compartmentalised "him" was about glitchtrap and her dad. Since her dad was apparently afton which makes no sense and I'm glad they dropped that
I’m always so very fond of your theories, Rye - and specially looking forwards to timeline things :D
Also! Not sure if there’s a place to recommend games for you to play but i think! In Stars and Time would be really fun to see you play!
Its a really, really good game and well written characters that I think you’d have fun voicing/ect :]
It seams like all the canon endings are found behind an arcade like minigame in each game
didn't the mask also put a kind of chip in Cassie's head when she first put it on? Maybe Helpy is the true villain of fnaf XD
Rye, how much do I have to pay for a Garn47 theory.
The difference in the blob in Breach and Ruin is, that his eyes in the ending glow red, while the ruin blob just has black eyes. The blob in ruin escaped the basement after princess quest was beaten, thats the canon ending.
Also, is there meaning to Vanny's eyes turning from orange to full red after she squished glitchtrap? Did she absorb him? Is she now in charge?