The dry firing on the milwaulkee is designed to do so. You only need to watch their promotional video to see that. It's so that you can put a zip tie through. A good feature, in my opinion, especially when you have a lot of cables in one area.
What a great video. Thanks for the mention. Obviously I had to buy the dewalt version as I couldn’t wait for the Milwaukee to be released in the uk 🇬🇧. I quite like the Milwaukee, one of which I will obviously buy one at some stage. I like the fact that he fires without a cable so you could actually probably use it for caping or banding as a traditional nail gun. Cheers mate
I think I'm speeding £16 for 760 clips for the dewalt. Very cost effective when you take time saved into account. Thing you have to remember with the Dewalt is if you don't hold it onto a surface tight it doesn't clip very deep because the rebound is so high. Also the Dewalt is normally around £190 for the bare unit in screwfix though the prices are creeping up. Regardless if you're on the platform for either brand already, get one.
Great video, both look great. I prefer the slightly loose fit, applying no pressure on cable. I've used both and the Milwaukee is always on the snug side, and gets tight on multiple cables which is a problem for sensitive data cables or round cables. The DeWalt appears to maintain a consistent looseness on wood or concrete.
There is a depth gauge, just dont put too much pressure, works great with data. No hiccups so far. 11 more staples. Its obvious. But pick what you got battery for :P
The dry-firing with Milwaukee could come in handy cause I've seen cables being supported with staples and zipties. With the dewalt you have to put your finger on the part that pushes in on the barrel
Maybe don't want to stick your finger in there. I carry a little 4" Romex stub in my tool belt. Just slip it under the head, fire, and slide it back out.
dry fire is a significant plus in my book, as explained by others. pay attention to your work, mind your trigger finger, and don’t rely on a tool to idiotproof yourself. The only downside I see to milwaukee from this review is the proprietary staples. Should be able to use 3rd party / competitor staples too, that is just plain greed to make a buck at buyer’s expense right there
I actually prefer the looser stapling of the Dewalt. It would make it easier to leave a service loop higher up in the wall that could be easily pulled down into the box.
I saw in a Milwaukee video that the dry staple allows you to place a staple then zip tie to it. Not sure if that is just a marketing narrative to explain away a possible issue but I can see times when I would use the zip tie feature
Benefit to being able to dry fire is that the M12 could double as a standard staple gun in a pinch, obviously not ideal for the job though given cost of staples and standoff, but they're long enough to do the job!
I have both, and the dewalt already broke twice first time still under warranty and the second time I had to replace the transmission inside of it myself they wanted almost the same price as buying a new one to fix it. Milwaukee haven't had an issue with it so far.
would have liked to see you use coaxial cable whether the round shape of the cable will be an issue with the square staples . will the staples cause damage to the cable because the cable is round?
Price update in US, I just paid 49.97US for 3 boxes @ 600 per box. I also received a "Home Depot" special for the unit at 229.00 and a free battery (79.00 value). Great Review Thanks!!
I Like the fact the Dewalt leaves a bit of play how many times have we all cut something slightly short the ceiling is now up and you need an inch? and for me they are fire rated clips so as long as the cable is not haging and its fully supported then that will do me i have not used in block yet so cannot comment but good video geez.
I have the DeWalt because I wanted the Romex stapler and didn't want to wait another few years for the Milwaukee version. I might give the DeWalt to my friend who has mainly DeWalt tools and get myself the Milwaukee because I like the fact that the Milwaukee will fire even without a cable between the guides. The DeWalt has a center tension nib that must be depressed by a cable in order to fire and even though there's a cable in there, sometimes it still won't fire if it's just a 14-2 cable or smaller, which is really annoying.
Only concern for the Milwaukee is on the bigger cables I’d be worried it damages the cores and outer sheathing. A big pro for both of them is that I’m pretty sure the clips are fire rated
I guess the only thing with the dewalt is that there is play in the cables but that could also be good if you have to pull it back through the clip and put a different cable in
@@TheOtisUpham shouldn't droop if it's correctly supported with the correct spacing. Personally I don't like the idea that the cables can't move. After installation. Everything should be allowed to expand/contract and react to operating temperature fluctuations to avoid fatigue. The medium reference method your stapling to will expand and contact to different rates than your pvc insulated copper cable.
@oscartheslayer9264 I like you, Oscar. Fair enough. That's a very good argument. I guess personally I don't like give in my supports. I've heard of romex slipping out of staples from both of these staple guns. When I do a run across a joist where it's gonna be visible, I prefer it to look nice and straight. Totally an aesthetic thing but something these guns don't seem to achieve. Totally understand your argument though.
Did you know there are 2 sizes of staples for the dewalt you get 25mm and 19mm I think so maybe with the shorter staples it will hold the cables better 🤞
You sold me on the dewalt despite your surprising (to me) recommendation of the Milwaukee at the end!! I thought the dry firing & Milwaukee misfires resulting in damage to the cable would have swayed you over to the dewalt camp. The play between the cable & staple is a feature not a bug of the dewalt. I prefer it for safety over a snug fit that might damage the cable in an unseen way. Cables need to be held fast first and foremost. Snug is secondary imho. I own both battery platforms so I’m not bias in any way. I would like to add that what stopped from buying in the first place was the girth of both handles!! I have a large hand I neither felt secure in the hand.
The milwaukee has a depth gauge, the more pressure you apply, the tigher it is gonna get and to be able to staple without a cable is feature and not a bug, and 11 more capacity which is a +++
Guys on the job site will give me crap but my Journeyman uses one and it saves your back is safer when your on scafolding or high ladder trying to swing your hammer.
Both are great for romex cable, but they are horrible for cat 5/6 ethernet cable when you more than 3, milwaukee allows you to wrap a bunch using a zip tie when used as anchor for zip ties, if you are running more than a few giving you a firmer and deeper grip, do not use with a HDMI cables, will cut them internally and make them useless by damaging the cable, use zip ties
Dewalt for the win. Speed, safe, and not as hard to pull a wire or staple out to make a change. When you need a staple just a tad tighter, let’s say at the beginning and end of a run, give those select staples a couple of love taps. You don’t have that option with the Milwaukee. Ultimately, a depth setting would be ideal. But given no setting on either, dewalt for the win.
@@LuisGarcia-xf6mq I third this. There is alot of people who don't realize that the Milwaukee has a depth gauge and you can decide if you want a loose fit or a snug fit, hence it being more modular and can staple without cable, hence can be used for other stuff and 11 more capacity, which is a +++ in my mind
That is not a design problem on the Milwaukee it shoot Staples without the wire. That's a good thing. Not a design flaw. I repeat. It's a good thing that the Milwaukee can dry fire. That's a very good thing because sometime if the wire is too big like a ser cable service you can't staple that you have to dry fire first and then take a zip tie to zip tie the ser cable. So Milwaukee that's a plus. I hated that DeWalt doesn't follow Milwaukee. I will buy the Milwaukee instead of the DeWalt
I disagree the DeWalt is better it leaves the cable looser on chance of damage to the cable and if you need to put another cable in later you can re tbread into existing clips saving money
The milwaukee has a depth gauge, the more pressure you apply, the tigher it is gonna get and to be able to staple without a cable is feature and not a bug, and 11 more capacity which is a +++ If you want a loose fit, then dont apply much pressure, simple as that. See how Milwaukee is far ahead of dewalt? DeWalt is likle Ryobi :)))
@@TheDarthJesus other reviews on TH-cam prefer the Dewalt because it allows some movement in the lines to make corrections... Doesn't crush or pinch cables. My cousin is an electrician and also likes the Dewalt. He's seen the Milwaukee deform data cables etc the Milwaukee dry firing is also not that great of a design choice
Mad how when you tried to miss fire the cable the DeWalt seemed to clip in the best 😂 DeWalt has been about for about 2 years so no wonder Milwaukee cains it 😢
What? RUNNING THE CABLES IN PARALLEL VERTICAL i THOUGHT IS AGAINST NEC CODE. TOO MUCH RISK OF FLATTENING OR CRUSHING THEM THEN WHEN THEY ARE LAYING FLAT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. ARE YOU EVEN AN ELECTRICIAN. NEC OR NOT YOU SHOULD NEVER DO THAT!!
I like the fact that it can fire without a cable. If you have a lot of cables you can bunch them together and use a tie wrap
Good idea!
just fire it over a cable tie?
The dry firing on the milwaulkee is designed to do so. You only need to watch their promotional video to see that. It's so that you can put a zip tie through. A good feature, in my opinion, especially when you have a lot of cables in one area.
Waited for this review 👍🏻 and well presented thanks
Thanks mate 👍🏻
The Milwaukee is perfect for me and seeing how good it is when stapling into breeze block makes it a must for me.
What a great video. Thanks for the mention. Obviously I had to buy the dewalt version as I couldn’t wait for the Milwaukee to be released in the uk 🇬🇧. I quite like the Milwaukee, one of which I will obviously buy one at some stage. I like the fact that he fires without a cable so you could actually probably use it for caping or banding as a traditional nail gun. Cheers mate
On problem mate, thanks for letting me borrow it, that’s a great shout about the Milwaukee, didn’t think of that
My OCD with cable clipping wouldn't allow me to install with the DeWalt. All my tools are DeWalt but I'm getting the Milwaukee
I think I'm speeding £16 for 760 clips for the dewalt. Very cost effective when you take time saved into account. Thing you have to remember with the Dewalt is if you don't hold it onto a surface tight it doesn't clip very deep because the rebound is so high. Also the Dewalt is normally around £190 for the bare unit in screwfix though the prices are creeping up. Regardless if you're on the platform for either brand already, get one.
Great video, both look great.
I prefer the slightly loose fit, applying no pressure on cable. I've used both and the Milwaukee is always on the snug side, and gets tight on multiple cables which is a problem for sensitive data cables or round cables. The DeWalt appears to maintain a consistent looseness on wood or concrete.
There is a depth gauge, just dont put too much pressure, works great with data. No hiccups so far. 11 more staples. Its obvious. But pick what you got battery for :P
The dry-firing with Milwaukee could come in handy cause I've seen cables being supported with staples and zipties. With the dewalt you have to put your finger on the part that pushes in on the barrel
Maybe don't want to stick your finger in there. I carry a little 4" Romex stub in my tool belt. Just slip it under the head, fire, and slide it back out.
@@robinmallon6139 I wish my jman had good ideas like you
Yep. This is why the dewalt is a deal breaker. Sometimes you want bare staples for zipping up bigger trunk lines.
From milwaulkees own video this has been designed to do this for that reason. For the reason alone makes the milwaulkee more of a versatile tool.
dry fire is a significant plus in my book, as explained by others. pay attention to your work, mind your trigger finger, and don’t rely on a tool to idiotproof yourself. The only downside I see to milwaukee from this review is the proprietary staples. Should be able to use 3rd party / competitor staples too, that is just plain greed to make a buck at buyer’s expense right there
I actually prefer the looser stapling of the Dewalt. It would make it easier to leave a service loop higher up in the wall that could be easily pulled down into the box.
No need for service loops just leave your wire long then usual in the box
The only reason for stapling is to protect it from the sheet rockers. Milwaukee’s tighter stapling is meant for the OCD crowd 😅
I saw in a Milwaukee video that the dry staple allows you to place a staple then zip tie to it. Not sure if that is just a marketing narrative to explain away a possible issue but I can see times when I would use the zip tie feature
Benefit to being able to dry fire is that the M12 could double as a standard staple gun in a pinch, obviously not ideal for the job though given cost of staples and standoff, but they're long enough to do the job!
I have both, and the dewalt already broke twice first time still under warranty and the second time I had to replace the transmission inside of it myself they wanted almost the same price as buying a new one to fix it. Milwaukee haven't had an issue with it so far.
would have liked to see you use coaxial cable whether the round shape of the cable will be an issue with the square staples . will the staples cause damage to the cable because the cable is round?
The dry fire Milwaukee is very useful to bundle with a tie rap
cant you just fire either straight over a cable tie?
Price update in US, I just paid 49.97US for 3 boxes @ 600 per box. I also received a "Home Depot" special for the unit at 229.00 and a free battery (79.00 value). Great Review Thanks!!
I Like the fact the Dewalt leaves a bit of play how many times have we all cut something slightly short the ceiling is now up and you need an inch? and for me they are fire rated clips so as long as the cable is not haging and its fully supported then that will do me i have not used in block yet so cannot comment but good video geez.
thanks
The milwaukee dry fire, is for use of wire ties😮
I have the DeWalt because I wanted the Romex stapler and didn't want to wait another few years for the Milwaukee version.
I might give the DeWalt to my friend who has mainly DeWalt tools and get myself the Milwaukee because I like the fact that the Milwaukee will fire even without a cable between the guides.
The DeWalt has a center tension nib that must be depressed by a cable in order to fire and even though there's a cable in there, sometimes it still won't fire if it's just a 14-2 cable or smaller, which is really annoying.
Only concern for the Milwaukee is on the bigger cables I’d be worried it damages the cores and outer sheathing. A big pro for both of them is that I’m pretty sure the clips are fire rated
Yes, both is fire rated. Milwaukee has a depth gauge, more pressure you use the deeper it goes, so its no issue at all if you have half a brain :)
I guess the only thing with the dewalt is that there is play in the cables but that could also be good if you have to pull it back through the clip and put a different cable in
Milwaukee can do both is has a depth gauge. More pressure you put the tigher it gets. It has best of both world.
Can you try them with FP200?
the DeWalt has to pushed on harder to fire in deeper as nick found out ok n his video testing
Any recommendations for suppliers for either of them? Seriously thinking of getting the Dewalt
I don't get why play in the cable is a factor?? Surely the aim of the game is to support the cable?
You want staples tight. Not choking the wire but if you want tight not drooping runs, they should be tight
@@TheOtisUpham shouldn't droop if it's correctly supported with the correct spacing. Personally I don't like the idea that the cables can't move. After installation. Everything should be allowed to expand/contract and react to operating temperature fluctuations to avoid fatigue. The medium reference method your stapling to will expand and contact to different rates than your pvc insulated copper cable.
@oscartheslayer9264 I like you, Oscar. Fair enough. That's a very good argument. I guess personally I don't like give in my supports. I've heard of romex slipping out of staples from both of these staple guns. When I do a run across a joist where it's gonna be visible, I prefer it to look nice and straight. Totally an aesthetic thing but something these guns don't seem to achieve. Totally understand your argument though.
@oscartheslayer9264 I've seen wire droop while supported within 4ft by these staple guns. That's all I'm saying.
@@oscartheslayer9264 give it a rest you bum!
Did you know there are 2 sizes of staples for the dewalt you get 25mm and 19mm I think so maybe with the shorter staples it will hold the cables better 🤞
Have you got a link for the 19mm staples?
Thought they were all 25mm x 19mm?
I thought they were all 25 X 19 mm
With the no dry fire feature on dewalt it would be a kunt to clip up small figure8
I think DeWalt follows the philosophy the staples are mainly to locate the cable. Never had any issues with it.
Can do the same with Milwaukee, it is dept gauge, people don't realize this.
You sold me on the dewalt despite your surprising (to me) recommendation of the Milwaukee at the end!! I thought the dry firing & Milwaukee misfires resulting in damage to the cable would have swayed you over to the dewalt camp.
The play between the cable & staple is a feature not a bug of the dewalt. I prefer it for safety over a snug fit that might damage the cable in an unseen way. Cables need to be held fast first and foremost. Snug is secondary imho.
I own both battery platforms so I’m not bias in any way.
I would like to add that what stopped from buying in the first place was the girth of both handles!! I have a large hand I neither felt secure in the hand.
The milwaukee has a depth gauge, the more pressure you apply, the tigher it is gonna get and to be able to staple without a cable is feature and not a bug, and 11 more capacity which is a +++
£21.59 inc vat for 600 milwaukee and thats from ITS
Guys on the job site will give me crap but my Journeyman uses one and it saves your back is safer when your on scafolding or high ladder trying to swing your hammer.
And what about block wall???
My biggest issue with the DeWalt is the weight but if both are similar in weight then that not an advantage
Both are great for romex cable, but they are horrible for cat 5/6 ethernet cable when you more than 3, milwaukee allows you to wrap a bunch using a zip tie when used as anchor for zip ties, if you are running more than a few giving you a firmer and deeper grip, do not use with a HDMI cables, will cut them internally and make them useless by damaging the cable, use zip ties
I've ordered Milwaukee bare unit = £216 and I've ordered 3x600 staples for £59,
Are these clips fire rated?
Yes mate
I prefer the ability to adjust the wire with the DeWalt.
£22 -£24 clips for the Milwaukee 👍
£16 for 760 clips dewalt👍🏽
Dewalt for the win. Speed, safe, and not as hard to pull a wire or staple out to make a change. When you need a staple just a tad tighter, let’s say at the beginning and end of a run, give those select staples a couple of love taps. You don’t have that option with the Milwaukee.
Ultimately, a depth setting would be ideal. But given no setting on either, dewalt for the win.
I think the Milwaukee is pressure sensitive so you can do light fastening if you don’t press hard
@@patjohn775 I second this bro. If I lightly press the milwaukee it won’t shit the staple as deep. Even with 6awg wire. It will be a good snug fit
@@LuisGarcia-xf6mq I third this. There is alot of people who don't realize that the Milwaukee has a depth gauge and you can decide if you want a loose fit or a snug fit, hence it being more modular and can staple without cable, hence can be used for other stuff and 11 more capacity, which is a +++ in my mind
That is not a design problem on the Milwaukee it shoot Staples without the wire. That's a good thing. Not a design flaw. I repeat. It's a good thing that the Milwaukee can dry fire. That's a very good thing because sometime if the wire is too big like a ser cable service you can't staple that you have to dry fire first and then take a zip tie to zip tie the ser cable. So Milwaukee that's a plus. I hated that DeWalt doesn't follow Milwaukee. I will buy the Milwaukee instead of the DeWalt
The Milwaukee staples too tight on thicker cables. Worries me about damag
It go by pressure
Bare waffling
Maybe it’s the clips that are better and not the gun? 🤷♂️
Possibly, still makes it not as good regardless
I disagree the DeWalt is better it leaves the cable looser on chance of damage to the cable and if you need to put another cable in later you can re tbread into existing clips saving money
If the cost of a bleeding staple when rewiring is a determining factor, then you need to get your priorities right lol.
The milwaukee has a depth gauge, the more pressure you apply, the tigher it is gonna get and to be able to staple without a cable is feature and not a bug, and 11 more capacity which is a +++
If you want a loose fit, then dont apply much pressure, simple as that. See how Milwaukee is far ahead of dewalt? DeWalt is likle Ryobi :)))
What is 'beh-uh"? What is "baa-uhry"? What is "Nah-ee"?
Thanks for watching 🔔🔚
Milwaukee wins in my case
It doesn't, staples are too right
@@FusionBoost2.0 They're perfect. Dewalts are too loose and it makes for sloppy work.
@@TheDarthJesus most electricians disagree
@@FusionBoost2.0 Source?
@@TheDarthJesus other reviews on TH-cam prefer the Dewalt because it allows some movement in the lines to make corrections... Doesn't crush or pinch cables. My cousin is an electrician and also likes the Dewalt. He's seen the Milwaukee deform data cables etc the Milwaukee dry firing is also not that great of a design choice
Mad how when you tried to miss fire the cable the DeWalt seemed to clip in the best 😂 DeWalt has been about for about 2 years so no wonder Milwaukee cains it 😢
DeWalt wins and wins in other tests as well. Milwaukee will dry fire and fires to tight
Dewalt fasteners would fail inspection by my area. You shouldn’t be able to move cable unless you fasten speaker wire
It's funny because where I am the inspectors will fail you if the cable Can't be moved a little.
speak English please
DEWALT is 20 volt
What? RUNNING THE CABLES IN PARALLEL VERTICAL i THOUGHT IS AGAINST NEC CODE. TOO MUCH RISK OF FLATTENING OR CRUSHING THEM THEN WHEN THEY ARE LAYING FLAT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. ARE YOU EVEN AN ELECTRICIAN. NEC OR NOT YOU SHOULD NEVER DO THAT!!
It is not a problem. AND STOP WRITING IN ALL UPPERCASE. IT IS ANNOYING TO READ XD