"Fixing a Rearing Eventing Mare" is a great example of were this journey has taken us all: from "fixing" and desensitizing horses to simply listening and using empathy to let the horse "fix" itself. We can give the horse back it's confidence and selfcontrol and hopefully gain the trust of the horse in the proces. I teach riding lessons for small children. This is only possible if I can connect with the ponies in the riding classes and gain their trust and cooperation. Warwicks videos have moved mountains for me with some of those ponies! It is such a joy passing on this wonderful approach and philosophy to the kids. #journeyon20
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@@WarwickSchiller That is just the best news to get on a grey friday where the whole world seems to have gone crazy (yes, here in Denmark, too) Thank you! I'll send you an e-mail.
I loved this video and shared it on my FB as I thought my other jumping Eventing friends would learn something as well. Today instead of forcing my horse to turn what he wanted to turn away from. I let him go away and took him up to a trot. Literally took 1 version of that, and when we looped back around at the buckle. He happily walked right back to that spot he turned away from, and rested. He caught on quick! Big energy conserver 😉🙃. #journeyon20
The most important thing is to win over the trust of the horse , time spent and working with the horse will help with forming a relationship and will help to understand mindset of the horse.
Love these high quality videos we’ve been getting. I also love how you said “good” when the mare chose the wrong answer rather than thinking it was wrong. I struggle to be less emotional when working with my horse and need to get away from taking her choices so personal.
Thank you SO much for sharing these two episodes -- and thank you to Nicole for allowing it. This will help so many horses and their owners. It all makes perfect sense, and is so helpful watching this! Horses are so smart, and you are allowing them to show just how smart, instead of how we, as humans, want to control everything they do. This develops a true partnership.
Well done! Mr Schiller as in all your videos, you are fantastic and such an inspiration. But I have admiration for this rider, Nicole cared enough and saw enough potential, to look for answers! This mare's mental health has been forever improved. I wish this for all horses and riders. Enjoyable and mentally healthy relationships for both!
thank you to Nicole for sharing this journey with us! She rides beautifully, and clearly is a good student. Love that she was willing to take an alternative approach.
Brilliant, as usual. I LOVE that you're teaching both rider & horse to think & be present, with no bad emotions. You're "unteaching" so many bad experiences, again, for both. You always make it 'look' simple - but it is, and it's not. It's really about taking the time to understand what is worrying a horse & then removing the worry. The forcing a horse method is really counterproductive. Thank you for helping so many.
Teaching her to relax and become good at her job is great. When relaxed she beautiful on the jumps and in the arena. 40 years working with horses and I learn so much watching you, great job WS!
So the idea is that ultimately, her "happy place" is wherever the rider asks her to go, because she trusts that the rider will let her relax once she's done what's been asked?
I used the choose where you work and choose where you rest method to get my horse going through puddles in the arena, because our arena corners are always flooded in winter and it takes up a lot of space. My horse used to spook at the puddles each time I went past but using this method combined with a few treats when in the puddles I now have him easily walk, trot and cantering through them without being bothered by them! Next stop, the sea!!! I could never get him to go in so hopefully using this I'll be able to get him to go in the water 😊
Thank you Nicole for sharing your learning experience with WS. Found the recap at the end of PT 2 to be a good/helpful reminder of the principles taught to Nicole’s mare. Lordy, I need that repetition to help me grasp the principles, lol.
No way to choose just one favorite video. I have watched so many. Every horse has a different personality and Warwick seems to catch everything. I guess The Principles of Training, I would call my foundation... then from that... I guess for my current situation Fixing A Rearing Eventing Mare part 1 and part 2. I have never had a horse to run to me from the bottom of my pasture.. this was from all of the focus and relaxation work... Thank you Warwick for all of the videos and for helping horse lovers and people who don't want to give up on themselves or their horses. #journeyon20
Would be interesting to see a clip from Nicole after theese weeks with you. And let her recap her experience and her thoughts, now when she has got some tools.
That is actually a very clever horse! She cottoned on so quickly! I love the term "energy conserver" 😄 I think mine is too! Got a few good ideas from this, thank you Warwick and Nicole!
Your work has been on fire in the past two years, Warwick. Really compelling. I know I've said this to you before but you a natural proponent of evidence-based horse fair practice even if you don't always make the link to the evidence explicit.
🤣 I have just been struggling with this myself.. But I lured it between his teeth, then made sure to keep his mouth up and shut, until he swallowed it (needs to be a tiny bit open so he could move his tongue) then as soon as he swallow, I praise him good, give him a good scratch and some delicious food.. Now I present the food, then the pill, then the food, then I give him the pill.. He doesn't fight, but he doesn't enjoy it, luckily it goes way faster now, like 2 seconds from the pill is in, to him swallowing it.. And he doesn't hate me and run away now, he turns and awaits me to serve the food... 😉
Easy! The Helpful Vancouver Vet has a wonderful TH-cam channel with a video on how to pill a cat which I followed when my old girl first had to start taking 2x daily anti seizure medication. His method is great, it makes it so simple, highly recommend. And afterwards I always give her a treat. She only gets those treats after her pill, and I always double check that she's swallowed the pill before giving them to her. If she spits it out, she has to take it again before getting her treats. These days, she meows for her pill and treats in the mornings and evenings. She reminds us when it's time! It just takes repetition and consistency, same as with horses! Best of luck :)
Great episodes.when you change the way you look at things the things you look at change.giving Nicole the tools to see things with a different mindset .if you havent got your Horses Trust you have nothing to build on.
Thank you Warwick; you are so amazingly sensitive to your horses; I'm sure they all love you and appreciate you. Now, if parents would be as understanding with their children, we might have a more content and well-disciplined younger generation!! I don't have horses, but these videos are very edifying and relaxing!!
This video was so helpful because I can see it working to solve many situations besides just rearing. I now think of principles and methods in a new way. I have used the choose where you work principle to help my horse relax and we are both more content.
Thank you very much indeed for sharing the process, helping me to unterstand and to learn. Thank you very much as well for your concluding comment, appreciating both, Nicole and her mare. Great work. By the way: I like your new intro, it fits perfectly to your new approach :)
This video helped me realize that the problem you are having with your horse might really be caused by something else like destination addiction and if you can solve that problem, you can alleviate other issues you are having. #journeyon20
A very nice transformation. I would be interested in knowing if the mare returned to her old habits on a cross country event after this wonderful work was put into her. Can horses just not like there job, and need a different occupation? And I was wondering if pain in her spin was ruled out. There is a horse at a clinic that is recovering from spin surgery, for refusing the jumps. ?
i think those first principles could actually work very well in regards to raising kids. i was raised with the same method Nicole unsuccessfully used on her mare. so, i see Warwick as an experienced man who fixes humans and the horses those humans were in contact with. not the other way around.
You pretty much know everything about jumping! You are a great psychologist and observant of all the mental and physical details. And I hate weatern saddles being a 60 year veteran if all disciplines English.
I tend to look at things from the horse's perspective as much as possible before I decide what to do. I might have to just let the horse do what they are doing for awhile before I start to work with them.
Amazing work... a question though - do you think if it takes this much "work" to induce a horse to do the job *we* want it to do, maybe we're fighting a losing battle? I mean maybe the mare just isn't cut out for eventing? I don't ask from a place of judgment - I'm genuinely curious - have a dressage WB who I'm not sure really wants to to be a dressage WB... and I do often consider whether its worth trying to make him something he's not cut out for? So what do you @WarwickSchiller with a reiner that just don't really want to do reining? Or whatever the Western terms are, forgive my ignorance!!!
It's a marvelous question to ask yourself Jennifer, and shows a true concern for the horse and their wellbeing. Video of him doing dressage may show you signs of tension/anxiety that you don't notice while riding, which may start to answer your question for you. Maybe consider trying other things for awhile, give him a break and exposure to different things: groundwork, trail riding, obstacles. Come back to it with a different mindset and see how it goes. Dressage is a wonderful form of exercise for a horse and may always have a part in your training program, but it takes a lot of courage to do what is truly best for the horse when it doesn't immediately align with our own plans. I stopped riding altogether for almost a year, as I tried to listen to what my horse was telling me he needed. And now he is much more relaxed and confident and just the other day we did a trail ride on our own for the first time in 2 1/2 years. If you can find something that the horse really enjoys doing, OR find a way to do what you want that becomes more enjoyable for the horse, they can become highly motivated to join in with your ideas!
I'm curious about at what point do you decide that whatever you want the horse to do is not for them? I.e a horse that doesn't enjoy jumping, at what point do you decide that the issue is about the horse actually not liking to jump?
Hi! I have a mare who is the poster child of all mares. I've had her for a year and have done some mild training. She was very ear shy and was terrified of my hat. Through the process of solving her spooking at my hat, other problems came to the surface. She does wonderful in hand, but as soon as I mount, it's as if she never learned anything. When I ask her to walk on, she backs. I've been taking two steps forward five steps back. Literally. If I'm not quick enough when she backs, she'll spin around and bolt back to the barn. Someone recommended working her in the pasture (which worked) but the problem lies within the barn itself. We have a third of our barn built, making it a run-in. Because my mare is a fat food hog, we divided the run-in into three equal parts. One for hay, and one for each horse. She'll bang at the gate to the "stall" until it swings open. If I try to direct her away, she gets sassy, lowers her head and plants her feet. Help!
You said "When I ask her to walk on,she backs". then you said " Literally. If I'm not quick enough when she backs, she'll spin around and bolt back to the barn" This tells me its not an issue with backing when you ask her to go forward, its an issue of asking her top go in the complete opposite direction of where she wants to go. I would get on her there. Then work on your basic exercises right there.
Thoroughly enjoyed this series Warwick, but wondering how this would transfer out onto the cross-country course for the mare? Not being able to take the time that you do in the arena what would you do if she said no at the first fence?
After the horse is OK and jumping well in the arena, you go for rides on routes that are a lot like cross-country courses at various speeds, then you set up practice jumps in a cross-country environment and repeat the arena work, but in the new environment. One change at a time, taking as much time as you need to accustom the horse to the change.
@@WarwickSchiller So would I be right saying you use the same principles in different environments - Donkey Kong, Choose Where You Work & Choose Where You Rest principles? Ultimately you get the same results as you have in the arena, using the principles, in environments akin to the cross country phase? Building the mares confidence and trust in her rider....
This 2part series is the first time I've really sat down and concentrated on what you were teaching and had the penny drop, I've been the 'make them face it' rider. I've watched many of your shorter videos when you talk about emotions and mindset and found them enlightening. I'm getting the hang of myself thanks to your help, now to focus on my wee mare. #journeyon20
I bought a 6 yr old and didn't know how much she had been worked or rode! She has a rearing issue when u ask her to do something she doesn't want to do.. on the ground mostly.. but she did it with someone on her back.. what can I do to??
What would you do for a mare that moved to a new barn, and is having a very hard time adjusting? She has started rearing in her stall, kicking, and pacing non stop. I haven't even ridden her yet, it has only been 6 days that she has been at the new barn. She is next to my other horse, a gelding in the barn. He is calm, and settled in, she is not. I am at a loss for what to do.
@@WarwickSchiller she has a run-in stall and gets turned out for a few hours each morning. This new barn is the first one she’s ever been able to go in and out of her stall, and see through to the horse next to her. Tried her next to a mare and she literally climbed the wall and kicked the automatic waterer in the stall so hard water went up the wall. She just paces so much, even if she goes outside from her stall.
@@sintara8442 my horse has been with me for several years. The last barn where we boarded, was a lovely facility. The care was horrendous! But my horses were stalled and out on pasture, just like they are now. The care now is fabulous and the barn is a million times better as well! The new barn, she can see the horse next to her, because the stalls have bars for the top half, as well as run-ins for every stall.
@@chewar7537. Perhaps she doesnt like her neighbor? I took care of an horse once who couldnt relax in her paddock. I just worked her a bit there, bending, following, those kinds of things. That helped very quickly, perhaps it will help yours too. I wouldnt do it in a stable though, be careful of yourself :) best of luck!
It looks like it's more of a trust issue.. rider has to make the horse completely trust her. It also seems like she may have a left eye issue.. the way she leans down and sways her head a bit to look? Seems like a good walk off saddle around to explore the scary things would be first steps?? I get your strategy, but it seems like she needs more basic steps to desensitization. This horse does not seem suitable at this stage for eventing.
This is a horse that is just mentally capable to be a happy jumper or eventer. She doesn't like physical exertion AND she doesn't like unusual objects. This will never work out. Get yourself a horse that actually likes to canter around and that LIKES jumping random new obstacles.
You can train a horse to enjoy it, just because it doesn't come naturally doesn't mean you should totally give up. NO HORSE instinctively likes unusual objects, the fact that this mare STILL doesn't means that she has a block in her training.
The thing is, she might actually have been enjoying it before, but people with the wrong approach, killed the joy.. Which is what made her "lazy" and that the spirit might be awaken again, when the communication is good. But I thought she looked limp when they were doing those jumps in the end.. Especially when she was ridden straight, towards the jump the first time..
I can't help but feel a bit sorry for this horse, she is always looking to do less work and find a place to just relax (as you call it "an energy conserver") and therefore would probably suit a cruisy, weekend trail rider. Instead, she's being asked to do eventing, literally one of the most energy requiring activities. I feel like if a horse wants to run away from a jump, she might not naturally suit jumping
Agree. I feel that way a lot watching Grand Prix dressage horses as well. By definition they are micromanaged by the rider and and I'm sure there are horses that are ok with that, but I bet most of them aren't. That's why Warwick is such a pleasure to watch, because for him it's ALL about the horse and making the horse comfortable with what he's asked to do -- not feel forced. And above all for the horse to have a good quality of life.
@@heathercollins4432 I did watch the whole video :) I also have owned a pony (appaloosa) who was a very keen jumper (he used to jump out of his paddock sometimes for the hell of it) and so I know that some horses enjoy jumping and some don't. This mare appears to be a horse that does not
Her rider may well come to the same conclusion - I feel this rider may well have kept her horse for other than showjumping in the end th-cam.com/video/3WOtcE9hMMM/w-d-xo.html
I already thought the same in the last video. She is not enjoying physical activities AND she is easily worried with unusual objects. She may be physically bred and capable to be a jumper or eventer, but her mind just isn't cut for it. She neither enjoys cantering around nor tackling new objects. Why does she have to do it?
This is great work I love the way you work with horses Warwick. However this horse looks a bit unlevel. Subtle lameness is so often the root cause of unhappiness and unwillingness that coupled with unsympathetic riding ends in disaster hence all the 'issues' Shame that traditional riding focuses on 'you will do this ( Rider to horse) rather than shall we do this (Rider working with horse). Riding lessons need reform the world would be full of partnerships rather than dictatorships if this type of principle is taught. 👍
I'm sorry but I just have to input here. You need to take your horse to a properly trained classical trainer and forget all these witchcraft garbage ( so called natural horsemanship). This issue developed because improper foundation work was done with the horse and someone was jumping her before she was ready to advance to that training. Sooooo, focusing on "fixing" her ( she is a horse, not a motorcycle) issue with rearing is not a single or short term issue. she need to go back to the very beginning meaning haltering her ( not in one of those horrid rope halters either) and working up until the issue in the training pyramid is discover then from there she can be given other options to what is bothering her other then rearing. While this is being done over the next year or two the rider him/herself needs to get a proper instructor and learn how to ride, if you did know how to properly ride an Trials horse you would already know the issue and been able to correct it yourself. I'm sure this gentleman is very nice and has his heart in the right place, but reality is you don't learn horse training on a ranch or from Joe blows video programs or Ray Hunt ( Ray was a nice guy towards horses but lacked a shit load of ability along with Tom who I lived down the road from). Treat horses the same way you would treat your advanced placement high school student any less is abuse.
you don't seem to have watched the video ... they ARE going back to basic training. And what's you beef with rope halters? (In the video the mare appears to be wearing a bridle, so I know you haven't been watching, just pontificating).
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"Fixing a Rearing Eventing Mare" is a great example of were this journey has taken us all: from "fixing" and desensitizing horses to simply listening and using empathy to let the horse "fix" itself. We can give the horse back it's confidence and selfcontrol and hopefully gain the trust of the horse in the proces. I teach riding lessons for small children. This is only possible if I can connect with the ponies in the riding classes and gain their trust and cooperation. Warwicks videos have moved mountains for me with some of those ponies! It is such a joy passing on this wonderful approach and philosophy to the kids. #journeyon20
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@@WarwickSchiller That is just the best news to get on a grey friday where the whole world seems to have gone crazy (yes, here in Denmark, too) Thank you! I'll send you an e-mail.
I’m so appreciative that you are passing these principles on to young riders and their ponies.
Fantastic series and thank you to Nicole for letting you share the journey!
I loved this video and shared it on my FB as I thought my other jumping Eventing friends would learn something as well. Today instead of forcing my horse to turn what he wanted to turn away from. I let him go away and took him up to a trot. Literally took 1 version of that, and when we looped back around at the buckle. He happily walked right back to that spot he turned away from, and rested. He caught on quick! Big energy conserver 😉🙃. #journeyon20
Great work
The most important thing is to win over the trust of the horse , time spent and working with the horse will help with forming a relationship and will help to understand mindset of the horse.
Love these high quality videos we’ve been getting. I also love how you said “good” when the mare chose the wrong answer rather than thinking it was wrong. I struggle to be less emotional when working with my horse and need to get away from taking her choices so personal.
Thank you SO much for sharing these two episodes -- and thank you to Nicole for allowing it. This will help so many horses and their owners. It all makes perfect sense, and is so helpful watching this! Horses are so smart, and you are allowing them to show just how smart, instead of how we, as humans, want to control everything they do. This develops a true partnership.
Well done! Mr Schiller as in all your videos, you are fantastic and such an inspiration. But I have admiration for this rider, Nicole cared enough and saw enough potential, to look for answers! This mare's mental health has been forever improved. I wish this for all horses and riders. Enjoyable and mentally healthy relationships for both!
thank you to Nicole for sharing this journey with us! She rides beautifully, and clearly is a good student. Love that she was willing to take an alternative approach.
Brilliant, as usual. I LOVE that you're teaching both rider & horse to think & be present, with no bad emotions. You're "unteaching" so many bad experiences, again, for both. You always make it 'look' simple - but it is, and it's not. It's really about taking the time to understand what is worrying a horse & then removing the worry. The forcing a horse method is really counterproductive. Thank you for helping so many.
Teaching her to relax and become good at her job is great. When relaxed she beautiful on the jumps and in the arena. 40 years working with horses and I learn so much watching you, great job WS!
Excellent.
Had a touch of emotion when that horse found the answer...
So the idea is that ultimately, her "happy place" is wherever the rider asks her to go, because she trusts that the rider will let her relax once she's done what's been asked?
Yes, she no longer needs to look for it elsewhere.
I used the choose where you work and choose where you rest method to get my horse going through puddles in the arena, because our arena corners are always flooded in winter and it takes up a lot of space. My horse used to spook at the puddles each time I went past but using this method combined with a few treats when in the puddles I now have him easily walk, trot and cantering through them without being bothered by them! Next stop, the sea!!! I could never get him to go in so hopefully using this I'll be able to get him to go in the water 😊
He has a recent video of taking his spooky stallion to the beach & introducing him to the waves. Recommend. 👍🏼
Thank you Nicole for sharing your learning experience with WS.
Found the recap at the end of PT 2 to be a good/helpful reminder of the principles taught to Nicole’s mare. Lordy, I need that repetition to help me grasp the principles, lol.
Thank you. This is exactly the issue I have with my gelding. Thanks so much, I now have an answer.
No way to choose just one favorite video. I have watched so many. Every horse has a different personality and Warwick seems to catch everything. I guess The Principles of Training, I would call my foundation... then from that... I guess for my current situation Fixing A Rearing Eventing Mare part 1 and part 2. I have never had a horse to run to me from the bottom of my pasture.. this was from all of the focus and relaxation work... Thank you Warwick for all of the videos and for helping horse lovers and people who don't want to give up on themselves or their horses. #journeyon20
Would be interesting to see a clip from Nicole after theese weeks with you. And let her recap her experience and her thoughts, now when she has got some tools.
That is actually a very clever horse! She cottoned on so quickly! I love the term "energy conserver" 😄 I think mine is too! Got a few good ideas from this, thank you Warwick and Nicole!
Beautiful! Thank you for t'he jumping session also!!
Thank you Nichole and Warwick!
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Awesome process. I’ve always wondered how to get to the next step of having the eventual “work” (jumping) attractive to her. Well done
Your work has been on fire in the past two years, Warwick. Really compelling. I know I've said this to you before but you a natural proponent of evidence-based horse fair practice even if you don't always make the link to the evidence explicit.
You know what? I’m not watching this, since I’ve became a member of Warwick program. Good luck guys lol 😂
My new mantra is relaxation and happy place!!
Simply brilliant,,,,,great insight into how a horse thinks and how to help them manage their own emotions
Thank you, Nicole! I'm so glad you were all able to share this with us. (Now, if I can just figure out how to apply this to giving cats their pills :)
🤣 I have just been struggling with this myself..
But I lured it between his teeth, then made sure to keep his mouth up and shut, until he swallowed it (needs to be a tiny bit open so he could move his tongue) then as soon as he swallow, I praise him good, give him a good scratch and some delicious food..
Now I present the food, then the pill, then the food, then I give him the pill..
He doesn't fight, but he doesn't enjoy it, luckily it goes way faster now, like 2 seconds from the pill is in, to him swallowing it..
And he doesn't hate me and run away now, he turns and awaits me to serve the food... 😉
Cottage or cream cheese on the pill. Usually what I tell the patients parents to do if they are having a hard time.
Easy! The Helpful Vancouver Vet has a wonderful TH-cam channel with a video on how to pill a cat which I followed when my old girl first had to start taking 2x daily anti seizure medication. His method is great, it makes it so simple, highly recommend.
And afterwards I always give her a treat. She only gets those treats after her pill, and I always double check that she's swallowed the pill before giving them to her. If she spits it out, she has to take it again before getting her treats.
These days, she meows for her pill and treats in the mornings and evenings. She reminds us when it's time! It just takes repetition and consistency, same as with horses! Best of luck :)
Great episodes.when you change the way you look at things the things you look at change.giving Nicole the tools to see things with a different mindset .if you havent got your Horses Trust you have nothing to build on.
"Probably about 6meters, for you metric people"
Good laugh, thank you for translating to us metric people😂👍🏼
Thank you Warwick; you are so amazingly sensitive to your horses; I'm sure they all love you and appreciate you. Now, if parents would be as understanding with their children, we might have a more content and well-disciplined younger generation!! I don't have horses, but these videos are very edifying and relaxing!!
Really enjoyed watching this work between horse, rider and trainer.
So much patience. And Brilliant! Thank You.
This video was so helpful because I can see it working to solve many situations besides just rearing. I now think of principles and methods in a new way. I have used the choose where you work principle to help my horse relax and we are both more content.
I loved these two videos.
Thanks Warwick Schiller! Very very helpfull!!
Another great 👍 vid, step by step
Fantastic series. Thank you so much for sharing.
What a wonderful process and fantastic result! Thank you Nicole and WS 👍
Thank you very much indeed for sharing the process, helping me to unterstand and to learn. Thank you very much as well for your concluding comment, appreciating both, Nicole and her mare. Great work.
By the way: I like your new intro, it fits perfectly to your new approach :)
This video helped me realize that the problem you are having with your horse might really be caused by something else like destination addiction and if you can solve that problem, you can alleviate other issues you are having. #journeyon20
This is so important in many different situations. Warrick, you have really improved your principles!
You are a freakin Jedi!!! Such a great horseman!
This just makes more sense, I get it now, wonderful 👏
Amazing! Thanks for sharing. You make it seem so easy.
So beautiful to see.
thanks to both of you. I found this set of videos incredibly valuable.
I know this is in America somewhere but it looks so similar to Australia in the summer time. Beautiful 😍
It’s in California
Great video!
Thanks for sharing. I’ve got a ton of ideas for my Icelandic horse that I have in training now. ❤️
A very nice transformation. I would be interested in knowing if the mare returned to her old habits on a cross country event after this wonderful work was put into her. Can horses just not like there job, and need a different occupation? And I was wondering if pain in her spin was ruled out. There is a horse at a clinic that is recovering from spin surgery, for refusing the jumps. ?
I learn so much from each video I watch. I want to thank you for all you do (and so does my horse)!❤
i think those first principles could actually work very well in regards to raising kids. i was raised with the same method Nicole unsuccessfully used on her mare. so, i see Warwick as an experienced man who fixes humans and the horses those humans were in contact with. not the other way around.
Oh, of course, i discovered the same! Works perfectly with children!! May be we are animals too? ;))
@@mm25937 yes, i think we are animals too. just different animals.
You pretty much know everything about jumping! You are a great psychologist and observant of all the mental and physical details. And I hate weatern saddles being a 60 year veteran if all disciplines English.
You’re the best 👍🏻
All good stuff - calm...
So. Good.
I tend to look at things from the horse's perspective as much as possible before I decide what to do. I might have to just let the horse do what they are doing for awhile before I start to work with them.
So the first time she stopped and sniffed the banners did you get off, loosen the cinch, and put her away?
Amazing work... a question though - do you think if it takes this much "work" to induce a horse to do the job *we* want it to do, maybe we're fighting a losing battle? I mean maybe the mare just isn't cut out for eventing? I don't ask from a place of judgment - I'm genuinely curious - have a dressage WB who I'm not sure really wants to to be a dressage WB... and I do often consider whether its worth trying to make him something he's not cut out for? So what do you @WarwickSchiller with a reiner that just don't really want to do reining? Or whatever the Western terms are, forgive my ignorance!!!
mhmm maybe its just the way this mare was trained in the first place and now she can find joy in eventing ^^
It's a marvelous question to ask yourself Jennifer, and shows a true concern for the horse and their wellbeing. Video of him doing dressage may show you signs of tension/anxiety that you don't notice while riding, which may start to answer your question for you. Maybe consider trying other things for awhile, give him a break and exposure to different things: groundwork, trail riding, obstacles. Come back to it with a different mindset and see how it goes. Dressage is a wonderful form of exercise for a horse and may always have a part in your training program, but it takes a lot of courage to do what is truly best for the horse when it doesn't immediately align with our own plans. I stopped riding altogether for almost a year, as I tried to listen to what my horse was telling me he needed. And now he is much more relaxed and confident and just the other day we did a trail ride on our own for the first time in 2 1/2 years. If you can find something that the horse really enjoys doing, OR find a way to do what you want that becomes more enjoyable for the horse, they can become highly motivated to join in with your ideas!
I think it’s tough to know how much is natural inclination vs how much is poor training to begin with
I'm curious about at what point do you decide that whatever you want the horse to do is not for them? I.e a horse that doesn't enjoy jumping, at what point do you decide that the issue is about the horse actually not liking to jump?
Amazing. TY. ❤
so helpful. thankyou
Isn't it crazy that when you know horses that the problem isn't the horse or the banners! These aussies are something
Brilliant Thankyou
Hi! I have a mare who is the poster child of all mares. I've had her for a year and have done some mild training. She was very ear shy and was terrified of my hat. Through the process of solving her spooking at my hat, other problems came to the surface. She does wonderful in hand, but as soon as I mount, it's as if she never learned anything. When I ask her to walk on, she backs. I've been taking two steps forward five steps back. Literally. If I'm not quick enough when she backs, she'll spin around and bolt back to the barn. Someone recommended working her in the pasture (which worked) but the problem lies within the barn itself. We have a third of our barn built, making it a run-in. Because my mare is a fat food hog, we divided the run-in into three equal parts. One for hay, and one for each horse. She'll bang at the gate to the "stall" until it swings open. If I try to direct her away, she gets sassy, lowers her head and plants her feet. Help!
You said "When I ask her to walk on,she backs".
then you said " Literally. If I'm not quick enough when she backs, she'll spin around and bolt back to the barn"
This tells me its not an issue with backing when you ask her to go forward, its an issue of asking her top go in the complete opposite direction of where she wants to go.
I would get on her there. Then work on your basic exercises right there.
@@WarwickSchiller Thank you! This problem has been going on since the day we brought her home. I'll start right away!
Are you sure her back is ok?
@@sintara8442 If you're referring to her spine, yes, it's perfectly fine!
Great!!!
How about a horse who tends to pull you towards the arena gate every time you trot or canter past it? can you do the same in this case as well?
Yes
Gives me so much hope... did you work this mare every day during these weeks?
Most days, I had her for 5 weeks.
Thoroughly enjoyed this series Warwick, but wondering how this would transfer out onto the cross-country course for the mare? Not being able to take the time that you do in the arena what would you do if she said no at the first fence?
After the horse is OK and jumping well in the arena, you go for rides on routes that are a lot like cross-country courses at various speeds, then you set up practice jumps in a cross-country environment and repeat the arena work, but in the new environment.
One change at a time, taking as much time as you need to accustom the horse to the change.
@@lazygardens what is it about a cross country course that changes the concept of time?
@@WarwickSchiller So would I be right saying you use the same principles in different environments - Donkey Kong, Choose Where You Work & Choose Where You Rest principles? Ultimately you get the same results as you have in the arena, using the principles, in environments akin to the cross country phase? Building the mares confidence and trust in her rider....
@@Sheepdogmeg Yes, the principles dont change just because the environment does
@@WarwickSchiller Thank you for taking the time to clarify, appreciate your time and the videos.
This 2part series is the first time I've really sat down and concentrated on what you were teaching and had the penny drop, I've been the 'make them face it' rider. I've watched many of your shorter videos when you talk about emotions and mindset and found them enlightening. I'm getting the hang of myself thanks to your help, now to focus on my wee mare. #journeyon20
I bought a 6 yr old and didn't know how much she had been worked or rode! She has a rearing issue when u ask her to do something she doesn't want to do.. on the ground mostly.. but she did it with someone on her back.. what can I do to??
Start at the beginning and work through all the work step by step
Yeah thanx thats what I started last night..
What would you do for a mare that moved to a new barn, and is having a very hard time adjusting? She has started rearing in her stall, kicking, and pacing non stop. I haven't even ridden her yet, it has only been 6 days that she has been at the new barn. She is next to my other horse, a gelding in the barn. He is calm, and settled in, she is not. I am at a loss for what to do.
Sounds like she at least needs some turn out
@@WarwickSchiller she has a run-in stall and gets turned out for a few hours each morning. This new barn is the first one she’s ever been able to go in and out of her stall, and see through to the horse next to her. Tried her next to a mare and she literally climbed the wall and kicked the automatic waterer in the stall so hard water went up the wall. She just paces so much, even if she goes outside from her stall.
What kind of place was your horse used to before it came to live with you?
@@sintara8442 my horse has been with me for several years. The last barn where we boarded, was a lovely facility. The care was horrendous! But my horses were stalled and out on pasture, just like they are now. The care now is fabulous and the barn is a million times better as well! The new barn, she can see the horse next to her, because the stalls have bars for the top half, as well as run-ins for every stall.
@@chewar7537. Perhaps she doesnt like her neighbor? I took care of an horse once who couldnt relax in her paddock. I just worked her a bit there, bending, following, those kinds of things. That helped very quickly, perhaps it will help yours too. I wouldnt do it in a stable though, be careful of yourself :) best of luck!
A lot of people are heavy on the bit.
one of the metric people appreciates :D
It’s nice that her issues are being worked on but I think she needs a different job.. I hope her owners consider this.
This girl is pretty harsh on the bit...
It looks like it's more of a trust issue.. rider has to make the horse completely trust her. It also seems like she may have a left eye issue.. the way she leans down and sways her head a bit to look? Seems like a good walk off saddle around to explore the scary things would be first steps?? I get your strategy, but it seems like she needs more basic steps to desensitization. This horse does not seem suitable at this stage for eventing.
This is a horse that is just mentally capable to be a happy jumper or eventer. She doesn't like physical exertion AND she doesn't like unusual objects. This will never work out. Get yourself a horse that actually likes to canter around and that LIKES jumping random new obstacles.
You can train a horse to enjoy it, just because it doesn't come naturally doesn't mean you should totally give up. NO HORSE instinctively likes unusual objects, the fact that this mare STILL doesn't means that she has a block in her training.
The thing is, she might actually have been enjoying it before, but people with the wrong approach, killed the joy..
Which is what made her "lazy" and that the spirit might be awaken again, when the communication is good.
But I thought she looked limp when they were doing those jumps in the end..
Especially when she was ridden straight, towards the jump the first time..
@@Galemor1 You're right, it may be that something happened to cause the anxiety. However,, that "limpness" is just relaxation.
@@irisstevenson7592
Well it might be.. But look up subtle lameness in horses...
th-cam.com/video/3-EfhUsFWOI/w-d-xo.html
I can't help but feel a bit sorry for this horse, she is always looking to do less work and find a place to just relax (as you call it "an energy conserver") and therefore would probably suit a cruisy, weekend trail rider. Instead, she's being asked to do eventing, literally one of the most energy requiring activities. I feel like if a horse wants to run away from a jump, she might not naturally suit jumping
Agree. I feel that way a lot watching Grand Prix dressage horses as well. By definition they are micromanaged by the rider and and I'm sure there are horses that are ok with that, but I bet most of them aren't. That's why Warwick is such a pleasure to watch, because for him it's ALL about the horse and making the horse comfortable with what he's asked to do -- not feel forced. And above all for the horse to have a good quality of life.
Perhaps you should watch the entire video? (I won't spoil it for you by telling you what happens at the end...)
@@heathercollins4432 I did watch the whole video :) I also have owned a pony (appaloosa) who was a very keen jumper (he used to jump out of his paddock sometimes for the hell of it) and so I know that some horses enjoy jumping and some don't. This mare appears to be a horse that does not
Her rider may well come to the same conclusion - I feel this rider may well have kept her horse for other than showjumping in the end th-cam.com/video/3WOtcE9hMMM/w-d-xo.html
I already thought the same in the last video. She is not enjoying physical activities AND she is easily worried with unusual objects. She may be physically bred and capable to be a jumper or eventer, but her mind just isn't cut for it. She neither enjoys cantering around nor tackling new objects. Why does she have to do it?
it's brown as hell out there
This is great work I love the way you work with horses Warwick. However this horse looks a bit unlevel. Subtle lameness is so often the root cause of unhappiness and unwillingness that coupled with unsympathetic riding ends in disaster hence all the 'issues' Shame that traditional riding focuses on 'you will do this ( Rider to horse) rather than shall we do this (Rider working with horse). Riding lessons need reform the world would be full of partnerships rather than dictatorships if this type of principle is taught. 👍
I'm sorry but I just have to input here. You need to take your horse to a properly trained classical trainer and forget all these witchcraft garbage ( so called natural horsemanship). This issue developed because improper foundation work was done with the horse and someone was jumping her before she was ready to advance to that training. Sooooo, focusing on "fixing" her ( she is a horse, not a motorcycle) issue with rearing is not a single or short term issue. she need to go back to the very beginning meaning haltering her ( not in one of those horrid rope halters either) and working up until the issue in the training pyramid is discover then from there she can be given other options to what is bothering her other then rearing. While this is being done over the next year or two the rider him/herself needs to get a proper instructor and learn how to ride, if you did know how to properly ride an Trials horse you would already know the issue and been able to correct it yourself. I'm sure this gentleman is very nice and has his heart in the right place, but reality is you don't learn horse training on a ranch or from Joe blows video programs or Ray Hunt ( Ray was a nice guy towards horses but lacked a shit load of ability along with Tom who I lived down the road from). Treat horses the same way you would treat your advanced placement high school student any less is abuse.
you don't seem to have watched the video ... they ARE going back to basic training.
And what's you beef with rope halters? (In the video the mare appears to be wearing a bridle, so I know you haven't been watching, just pontificating).
did you watch that video? Based on your answer I don't think so