the fact that everything that is unapologetically feminine is associated with cringiness and stupidity breaks my heart no wonder so many girls feel like they have to distance themselves from what is considered to be "girly stuff" in order to be taken seriously
On a similar note I've always hated how 'girly' characters are depicted as 'annoying' in most male-oriented productions, makes you not want to relate to them at all
but lets be real, feminism has been "build" to be mainly masculine. every time a women chooses to be a housewive, have kids, get married and take care of her husband, she gets those judgy condescending looks...from other women..and thats why i love chick flick. all the girls a feminine archetypes and dont try to act as if they dont need no man or need to be or seem tough.
What's funny is, people are always targeting chickflicks as cringey and laughable, but I'm supposed to sit down and watch James Bond without laughing my ass off?
That’s actually what my female friends and I watch as comedies. There’s nothing funnier than a stupid movie trying to be serious. The Rock holding a helicopter with one hand? Michael B Jordan trying to look tough? Best laughs guaranteed 😂
As with chick flicks, lots of action films geared towards the male gaze are just as cheesy. You should give James Bond a go. Hot guys, women in cool outfits, camp as hell...dont expect intelligence but they're entertaining
How Heathers, a dark comedy about teenagers being so isolated and disregarded they murder each other, ended up classified as a "chick flick" baffles me.
I think I've been guilty of relegating chick flicks into the same pile as action movies. If I enjoy them then they tend not to end up with those labels in my mind Chick flick/action movies are denigrating labels for sure but in my little brain, films tend to get these tags based on how they're written, common tropes used in the film, how they're marketed etc and not based on who actually enjoys them
The same goes for the devil wears prada tbh. I’ve seen that thrown into the chick flick category a lot when, even though it doesn’t have dark themes in it like heathers does, it deals with real topics that come with life like having to choose between work life and personal life, finding out what you think is best for you, personal growth, and just overall things that can be experienced a lot when trying to create your career or being fresh out of college/uni. I’ll admit the movie has flaws, but it’s still a shame to see what it’s sometimes degraded to
In my opinion, "chick flicks" are important because they portray women in different decades; their place in society, workplace, relationships, fashion, language and more! I believe they are a vital contribution to cinema in order to understand our changes. It is sad that people don't consider them as "good movies". Ps: sorry for my english
I dont have anything to say since I agree with you completely, but I just wanna say your English and grammar are incredible! Especially for not being a native speaker!
@Scarlet A I totally agree with you, there are good and bad movies, in every genre actually. What I meant was that it's a shame that many people think that most of chick flicks are as bad as "She's out of my league", but you are right, people have different tastes
As a boy who loves and watches your channel all the time. It was disappointing to see how hard I was judged for watching movies like this by my peers just because WOMEN were starring in it. Ever since I was a little kid I never saw movies like that I just saw them as movies that's it. I'm glad that there's a channel that expresses what I felt all these years. And get rid of that ridiculous stigma and just enjoy quality movies. So thank you.
yess, like twilight, i'm not saying the twilight movies are masterpieces of cinema, but they're pretty entertaining and ROBERT PATTINSON portrayed edward in such a good way, idk man the saga didn't deserve the hate it got edit: ALSO billie eilish, every grown man assumes she doesn't wanna be like other girls and that she's fake depressed or smth but honestly billie is... just not like that? they just assume lol
@@mimilillamy3460 Exactly! Like, I'm not the biggest One Direction fan but they're not like HORRIBLE and their fans definitely don't deserve the insane hate they get. And I mean Taylor Swift is... basic? I don't get it.
I remember my boyfriend and I were having a movie night. He always picks some kind of zombie movie and I just wasn’t with it that day, so I chose to watch Mean Girls. He asked if it was a chick flick, because the cover art looked like one. I was honest and said yes, but I also told him that the movie was a cult classic, which tickled his fancy. Mean Girls is now one of his favorite movies.
I suggested it to my boyfriend as well. He’d heard of it but never seen it and he’d know memes that came from it but didn’t know at all it’s origins (The “get in loser, we’re going shopping” one is something he loved to quote but had no idea it was from Mean Girls). He also loves it now!
I used to say I hated chick flicks because “I’m not like other girls” only to realize like 90% of the movies I watched and loved were in fact chick flicks.
Notice how "chick-flicks" is a little degrading, but there's no male equivalent? Like dick-flicks for example; an example of a male version of a chick flick is Superbad. But that movie can be acceptably watched by both men and women, and it is seen as good comedy. However chick flicks can only acceptably be watched by women and they are seen as silly. In my opinion this is a huge issue because whenever movies about women are made, men stray away from them when they should be educating themselves on what women's lives are! Their representation of women is limited to the movies and books they consume, which typically do not have complex portrayals of women and can explain why men see us as walking sex toys or as manic pixie girls or other harmful things. Which is why Little Women being popular is sooo good, more men need to see women's perspectives. Us women constantly consume media revolving around men without an issue.
I was talking about how much I love sound of music and Mary Poppins in class. Some kid said “it sucked, it literally sucked so bad” and at first, I asked “did you see it when you were little? I can imagine it being boring when you’re-“ and the guy said “no I watched it last year, it’s just a stupid chick flick, you’ve got bad taste” 🙂
Society tends to deride anything teen girls and young women enjoy, moreso than anything of similar quality a man might like. Teen boy bands are automatically derided, whether or not their music is good or bad. Even classic novels like Little Women or the Brontes are considered “less prestigious” than Moby Dick because they’re about women. It drives me nuts.
@@cookiemocher388 I just meant that peon who read classic novels might see make-centric classics like Moby Dick or the Great Gatsby as more prestigious than a female-centered classic novel like the Brontes or Little Women.
Your line about how there are endless marylin movies and when will we get one about eartha kitt... I got chills, mama! would love to see a film that talks about her making ladybird Johnson cry at that dinner because of what eartha said about vietnam!
Imma do my top 10 "chick flicks": 1. A Cinderella Story 2. Wild Child 3. Clueless 4. Freaky Friday (2003) 5. Mean Girls 6. Aquamarine 7. Enchanted 8. Legally Blonde 9. Bring it On: All or Nothing 10. The Cheetah Girls
Thanks for sharing your favs! Will need to check out Wild Child now since I’ve seen the rest and they’re solid. Thoughts on Another Cinderella Story? Because the other Cinderella Story formula Cinderella story movies don’t do it for me, but I just really like the dancing in Selena Gomez’s version tho diner girl Hillary Duff is my girl.
@@Asummersdaydreamer14 i like selena’s. but i think my favorite sequel is lucy hale’s version. but i don’t think they are not as good as hilary’s to me
As a guy who enjoys “chick-flicks” not only because they are enjoyable but because there is a lot to learn from them. I only wish that there wasn’t judgement from both genders for watching these films as I believe everyone would benefit from them.
My dad bought and enthusiastically made us watch all the chick flicks he loved in the 80s/90s/00s, if an incredibly manly man like him can genuinely love chick flicks, anyone can
I MISS the fun, empowering, cute chick flicks of the early 2000s and late 90s. So many gems. Have you seen Wild Child? It's one of the later, good chick flicks!
Literallyyyyyyy! One of my favourite genres, and they don’t make me feel bad about wanting to be feminine or “girly”. Especially legally blonde, if anything it just enhances that side of me hahaha
heathers is a prime example of the absurdity and vagueness of the "chick flick" genre, it's incredibly dark and clever and funny but because it stars women in the title roles it's been categorized as a woman's film there are so many articles online about heathers being "a chick flick every guy should watch"
@@ModernGurlz yes! I don’t really think “chick flick” when I think of Heathers. I also hate when people act like it should just be written off as a comedy. It’s funny but it’s also so much more
so next time you see on a guy's profile that he likes “all kinds of movies except chick flicks” maybe reevaluate if you want to have any sort of relationship with him. p.s. as always, danger doubles if he lists fight club, the wolf of wall street, clockwork orange, among others as favorites and ESPECIALLY if he explicitly states that he admires/wants to emulate the protagonists edit: yes it’s clockwork orange sorry i just translated by myself instead of looking it up and my latino ass wrote “mechanical orange”
Did you mean a clockwork orange? Because that’s one of my favorite movies and so is fight club but I also like chick flicks and I’m not a dude soooo I guess I don’t count.
@@greatesteva7343 that’s exactly the one i meant, thanks!! see, the thing is that all those movies are objectively good movies, but they are studies of deeply flawed, destructive, generally toxic (in some way) men. As movies they have no obligation not to showcase this and can be appreciated for what they are, but when people, particularly other guys, idolize these men, that’s a very worrying sign of their own toxicity. There’s nothing wrong with you liking them!!
I don't see anything wrong with listing those movies as favourites, as long as they don't want to be the protagonists. The Wolf of Wallstreet is one of my faves too!
Heathers is considered a "chick flick"? Heathers is ICONIC! Everyone could benefit from watching Heathers, and its awful that because Veronica Sawyer (Played by Wionna Ryder) is the lead, it's a "chick flick". Seriously, if you haven't seen it, its on Hulu.
plot twist - Marilyn Monroe desperately wanted more serious roles but was used by the studio as a dumb blond sex symbol. Besides, nothing wrong with being dumb blonde sex symbol nor being kick ass Eartha Kitt. Double standards here. From both of you.
@@julijakeit you do realize that earths kitt was a black woman who literally had to work her butt off because she wasn’t being offered seriously roles due to her being black. How tone deaf and stupid do you have to be. Their are so many “chick flicks” with leading white women but how many with are their with women of color? This is just white privilege at its finest. Whenever we talk about people of color y’all always want to bring white people in it like you guys don’t already take up 80% of our screens all the time. Imagine growing up and having to constantly relate to people who don’t look like you. You guys have so many white female characters you can relate to. It’s always about you guys. The entitlement is showing
I think there's a huge connect between loving literature and appreciating chick flicks. Because you recognize the distinction between well written unlikable characters that were intended to be so, and problematic characters that are just overused archetypes. When you make a literary analysis you can find depth in anything.
@@kennedyjojackson1202 You're so right. And Clueless is a modern adaptation of Emma. Those characters are better written than anyone in a Christopher Nolan film.
Huh, well this comment sent me on a thinking rabbit hole. I grew up loving chick flicks and watching them with my sister, because they were just perfect fluffy fun, upbeat and not messy or loud. I started to hate the rom coms after 27 Dresses, which looking back, falls kind of in that time when studios were just churning out by the numbers rom coms to get quick cash, which in a way has hurt the genre. After years of avoiding them, I've gotten back to watching and revisiting some of them and between the dated fashions and references, there's a lot of intelligence, witty humor and points being made.
I hate how a lot of coming of age movies are categorized as chick flicks just because they are "supposed" to appeal to women. Movies like Easy A, or Mean Girls, or The Princess Diaries are overlooked because "boys won't get them"
I think thats the exactly the motive teenagers in the 2010s revolved to fanfiction instead of movies. We want a well written or filmed, compelling love story (even if that love isnt romantically). But the film industry only want quick cash, using the same easy market, because they want a easy formula that we will spend money with bc we are starved of representation. Fanfiction is free, so the authors prioritize the writing over the money, with make some compelling, good stories. Anyway that's my theory, hoping someone realize that and a good chick flick get to the market soon 💕
I’m not as traditionally feminine as many of the viewers of this channel are, but one of the more “girly” things I do enjoy (apart from this channel and fashion and playing with dolls as a kid, god I miss that so much) is I’ve always loved chick flicks. Even when I was really into Harry Potter and it was all I watched and read and thought about, I’d make room for some more light hearted movies geared toward women. They’re so much fun and easy to watch and are multiple viewing friendly which is a must for me and my adhd (I often don’t have the patience to get into the plot of a new movie, but I still want to watch movies sometimes. I’ve seen mean girls a weird number of times). They’re also often weirdly empowering to me, even when it seems like they’re not supposed to be. Like I just feel happy to be a woman for a change when I watch them. In a way they seem more honest too in a way, than many more “serious” movies appear. I don’t know I just love these types of movies and I don’t care if other people don’t. I hope they’ll make a come back soon and like you brought up, with more diversity because that’s the one thing missing from them!
I love chick flicks so much and i don’t like that some people call them their “guilty pleasure” movies bc whats so bad about liking a “girly” light hearted movie? 💖
"fantasy films can have elves and fairies and flying dragons but people of colour? that's too unrealistic" SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PPL IN THE BACK! Oh my gosh that annoys me soo much when ppl say "black ppl weren't around in that timeline aka medieval england" etc. Like can we not be fairies too?? its FANTASY! MAKE IT UP!
I think a lot of people need to realize that their idea of an empowered woman does not involve her looks. A "tomboy" is no more of a feminist than a "girly girl". The point is that ALL WOMEN ARE VALID, regardless of their appearance.
Practically even classics like Great expectations, Pride and Prejudice, Emma and Shakespearean plays like Twelfth Night are chick flicks, so obviously they deserve not only our respect but our reverence.
Funny how some of the highest grossing (Western) movies of all time (Gone with the Wind, Titanic) are Chick-Flicks. But I almost never hear them called that, because if a Chick-Flick is popular with all genders, it is just a movie, no ifs, ands, or buts.
I love watching movies classified as chick flicks, I honestly feel like no matter what age group they're appealing to (teens or adults), they always show diverse storylines. Not always in regards to race, but at least in terms of presenting women as two-dimensional characters with flaws and having ideals that may divert from societal gender norms. As usual, any film that has a large female audience isn't seen as serious, and that's honestly why this genre isn't seen as "real cinema" But yet, "guy" films are able to come out with the hundredth sequel focusing on a popular car, spy, or robot franchise and no one bats an eye. Shocker 😒🙄🙄
I always figured Chik Flick was intellectual stances on perspectives/society-world usually masked in pink, skirts or sprinkles. Idk. So I was basically right.
I loved this video! 👏👏👏 you totally captured how I feel about these movies and why I hesitate to call them "chick flicks" because of the connotations it brings. I especially liked the part when you mentioned that different genres of movies are lumped together under the generic "chick flick" because gaining respect for these movies isn't just about people accepting them as harmless, feel good movies that don't deserve all the hate they get, but also actually acknowledging that these stories have depth and can resonate with so many people if given the chance. I would ask why everyone is expected to be able to relate to a male led movie but only women would relate to "chick flicks" but we all know the answer to that question
I’d also like to mention that the YA genre in books is also typically unfairly brushed off as a “girl’s genre”. Think of how many jokes we make at the expense of stuff like Twilight. There’s certainly problematic and weird aspects of it, but is it enough to warrant how much hate it got? I don’t think it’s a coincidence that YA, a genre dominated by female writers and female characters, is also seen as lesser than “adult fantasy”. There’s also recently been an even bigger push in the YA book industry for more characters/authors of color and intersectionality, having characters who are both POC and LGBT. Contrast this to adult genres, most notably fantasy, which almost always center around a male character in a European inspired setting.
the way that every single twilight joke i’ve seen from men revolves around it being a “woman movie” and not the multiple crazy things the characters have done.
When I was in middle school my family went to see a touring company of Legally Blonde the musical. My older brother, a teenage boy at the time, loved it. It made him watch the movie. He prefers the musical, but he enjoyed it. My point is basically if more guys actually gave these movies a chance they'd like them.
The negative stigma around chick flicks is so ridiculous. If these stories were told with different visuals they wouldn't be dismissed. I love your points about how they evolve with the times- chick flicks truly empower a lot of people who don't have a voice on other media
When movies starring female protagonists are automatically labelled "chick-flick" regardless of its genre bc movies starring male leads are seen as the default :))
Deep inside of my heart, i want people to make movie about muslim women that doesnt related to terrorism and oppressions bcs our life is so much more than that but i know how it will turn out, it would be a mess bcs they will only show stereotypical version of us. The ending will be: the hijabi finally reveal her hair and leave her religion. Its so sad.
Why muslim women cannot make a movie about themselves? Tons of directors started with a low budget movie and those were still quite successful. Why expect others to do it for yall?
@@my-vn8nw where did the person say they demand non-muslim people to make a movie about them? they just expressed their frustration with lack of authentic portrayal of people of their religion. there's also a huge chance the op doesn't even work in the industry and has no way of influencing the movies that are being made other than writing out their thoughts online.
I adore it when people of colour are in films of all types, -as someone who's not white, it’s wonderful to feel represented- but when it's a period piece about medieval England I don't think it's that important to make it all about diversity. I don't know about you but historical accuracy is tremendously important to me.
I haven’t seen any of those 2010s movies (and don’t intend to) and honestly never thought of them as chick flicks. I thought they were targeted at teenage boys. I also think of The Neverending story and The Princess Bride as "kids movies" (that I do enjoy as an adult, especially The Princess Bride). I like a good chick flick though!
ok i don’t usually comment on youtube videos but i have completely stalked this account and genuinely have so much respect for the way she analyzes and breaks down movies/feminism/clothing SO throughly. amazing job!
I agree with your points, but I must MUST counter the categorization of crazy stupid love as a good movie. I have a lot of issues with it, but it's impossible to ignore the fact that a 17/18 year old babysitter gives naked photos of herself to a middle schooler. Photos that were intended for that child's FATHER. That's not rom-com cute imo.
Amen I just recently watched and I couldn’t enjoy it at all, I hate that continuously message to young guys that even when the girl is clearly not interesting in you, she owns u something anyway for liking her, that good damn ending with the baby sitter being nice with the annoying kid after he ruin her life when she all the time clearly says no... I hate it, also hate it in How I met your mother, we as woman don’t own u a sh*t, our opinions doesn’t have to change with time just because u have a cringy obsessed crush on us
The fact that the term chick flick is treated as a synonym for bad movie and that there is no male equivalent pretty much says everything. Thank you for making a video like this 💜
Honestly as a female, feminism has let me down, feminism has actually degraded girly things and come to insult women who decide to stay at home and be a mother/wife... Like isn't feminism about my choice? So why can't I choose to stay at home take care of my family? why is liking pink and cooking seen as submissive?
A thing I feel is worth noting: The "#GirlBoss Woman Who Doesn't Act Girly" trope came from people wanting to subvert society's expectations of women (which. i guess is being "girly?") It's well intentioned, but completely misguided. The point of feminism was to let women be comfortable with themselves and not feel the need to care about the patriarchy's perception. Instead, what people ended up doing was promoting more "masculine" traits instead of femininity, and intentional or not, rooted the idea that one way of how a woman should act is superior to the other.
This really hits the mark and you said something that I've felt since I was a kid!! The feelings I got while watching, say, Practical Magic, and what it taught me, is more valuable than 99% of Oscar nominated movies, and yet the genre is ridiculed to no end Also, a lot of what you said can also be said, copy-pasted, for chick-lit/the romance genre, which I also love 💕
Bridesmaids is the best chic flick of all time! It's funny, relatable, has strong acting and seriously rewatchable ❤️ I love how flawed the main character is, it isn't a patronizing girl power movie. Also I love how the movie is less about love and more about self esteem and friendship and how people move on in life. It has so much meaning ❤️
People can accept gory offensive action mainstream movie made by souless cooperation but a simple chick flick is too much for these movie snobs? ugh, society nowadays 🙄
i always look forward to your videos, you’re so respectful, insightful, caring, and intelligent, feels like youre my big sister, you’re a wonderful role model, thank you
I am a guy and most of us do not like chick flicks[when i say chick flick i mean most of the rom coms does not matter if either the male or the female is in lead (and i even like a lot of movies with female leads, its necessary for the society to see women in a leading role) and its not a presumption and my opinion is based on my thoughts and the the thoughts of most men i meet in my daily life and interact with online]. One of the huge reasons is that it sets unreal expectations among women about men. You know this is true... How many chick flicks are there where a guy sacrifices himself or his career or his dreams or gives up on a lot of the things he likes to get the women. In how many such movies does a guy goes on changing himself to be a better version of themselves (acc to women which they will like)It's not any better for us men when we're expected to play the role of “Prince Charming”, ready and willing to lay down our lives and give up everything that makes us who we are, thus changing ourselves (does not matter for good or bad but the thing is you want us to accept you for who you are but you do want us to change and there is nothing wrong in it for you to think that but it is wrong for you to expect us to like it) what do most rom-coms have in common? There’s a woman (played by the female lead), who is either going through a break-up, or just can’t seem to find a “good man”. The female lead is surrounded by her “girlfriends” who form an informal “support group” (complete with the prerequisite “man-bashing”) and tell her that something like although she will eventually find love, she doesn’t even need a man. Men are portrayed as stupid, embarrassing, clumsy, boorish, and generally speaking, undesirable. The only “quality” the male lead usually has at the beginning of the movie is that he’s usually physically attractive. Usually the female lead meets one of these “flawed men” through some sort of contrived “meet-cute”(don’t blame me for the term, I didn’t create it) or had already dated him, and while initially there are sparks (either on one side or both), it doesn’t typically work out at first, usually because the guy is “an idiot” in one way or another. Somewhere along the line one or both of them has a revelation that they are in love with the other, and performs some sort of grand gesture (usually in public in order to humiliate themselves, which the woman finds adorable), and then they both profess their love for one another . Not all women enjoy movies like this though, just like all men don’t dislike movies like this, but being that these movies are by design written for the female audience (just as movies like superhero movies, expendables, mission impossible series, Goodfellas, or The Terminator are designed to appeal to men), it’s mostly women who want to watch them. I guess it really is about how we are. Women typically enjoy movies that have romantic themes, comedy or drama alike, and men typically enjoy movies that are of the action-adventure, comedy, superhero and/or horror genres. Women also tend to be more emotional than men(generally speaking and not confining every man in this notion). Like I said, it’s just how we’re wired, and while clearly not all men/boys and women/girls are wired this way, the majority tend to be. When it comes to romance, guys don’t really care that much about it, at least not in the way women do. Think about it, most women dream about a big, fancy “fairy tale” wedding and fantasize about it throughout their adolescence and beyond. It’s said that a wedding day is “the bride’s day”, and for good reason. Guys couldn’t care less about a wedding function , but they will be excited for getting MARRIED. In the end if you like chick flicks, sure its great and there is nothing wrong with it but expecting guys to do feel the same way about them is not right. Besides there are very few chick flicks that we actually enjoy like the same way there would be some action films that you enjoy. I might get a lot of hate for this but i just couldn't store it all up. Sorry if it made you feel bad in any way or if i have intentionally or unintentionally offended you but that's is how it is.... PS: English is not my first language so please bear with my inconsistencies in writing..
I love it when she shares problems like these, the misconception of chick flicks has been around for too long, I hope she keeps making videos like this and spreading more awareness about the same sort of problems.
I just want to see a movie about someone like me, I have a disability but my whole life doesn't revolve around it, "overcoming" it, or even learning to accept myself. I had accepted myself as a teen, I spent the first part of my life adapting and now I'm doing things other than constantly worrying about my disability - I travel, have a fiance, I like going to the cinema, I love rollercoasters and going out to dinner with friends. At high school I had to do homework like everyone else, I had crushes like everyone else, and I did things other teenagers did. Is it too much to ask to see just one movie where the main character has some kind of physical disability and the whole story isn't about their goddamn disability
It says something that women are expected and able to highly empathize with male characters/stories but men can’t seem to bring themselves to watch “chick flicks”, speaks to a larger problem of many of them simply not being able to relate to us as humans. Just weird
chick flicks to me are more than just good movies. they're like a comforting blanket that i put on whenever i feel unwell. some of them are linked to my childhood memories too, which makes them not boring for me to watch again and again. in short, chick flick is warm
and to think how most of these movies actually do give great lessons or even bring important issues to discussion. the ones i can think from the top of my head: legally blonde - literally a feminist classic mean girls - a funny take on how it’s actually wild in something so simple and looked down on which is the social structure between teenage girls. it literally also taught me about political science a bit from the reviews of the movie devil wears prada - taught me a lot about fashion and changed my perspective on the whole industry, not just the way i look at fashion but also the way how something i thought was so simple had a lot going on behind the scenesz
i LOVE your channel, you analyse every topic super thoroughly and are able to actually give credit to so many arguments that are generally considered shallow. i love it!!!
Tess, I really enjoy and appreciate your work. This video thoughtfully examines the stereotype of the genre of Chick-flicks in a meaningful way; both how they can go wrong but also what many of them get right. It also call the writers and the audience to recognizing the value in each other and I very much appreciate that too! Thanks for sharing your positive attitude and witty criticism! Hopefully one day you start looking at male icons as well, hopefully that your male viewers can use as inspiration.
This is so weird to see movies that my brothers, guy friends, and other males in my life and having those films described as chick flicks. I'm glad that my parents didn't fall into the trap with media in general. like for example they're unphased if my youngest brother says his favorite show is Miraculous, and my dad's favorite movie is the princess bride (we watch it often), and my other brother used to love Ocean's 8.
When you started talking about the “girl power” movies, I remembered seeing a review about the Star Wars sequels. Although Disney tried to be more inclusive by adding a woman and men of colour as the protagonists, the way the story was written ultimately gave the most attention and thought to the antagonist, Kylo Ren, who was a white male. Rey, Poe and Finn’s characters were either sidelined or given subpar character arcs. Even worse, they forced a weird “connection” between Rey and Kylo Ren, which ultimately highlighted HIM more than her. The writers had all of the ingredients needed to make a well-written story with diverse characters, but they just couldn’t shake the old Hollywood habit, and the sequels suffered for it.
man, this channel is something else. you conveyed your ideas so clearly and thoughtfully. it's really inspiring that you're using your platform to educate people about these issues and you're a great role model for girls everywhere! you're my new favourite channel
Great video as usual. I'll be honest I used to hate "Chick Flicks", that was probably the internalized misogyny. I really enjoy them now although I wish we had more Black women as leads. I'm grateful for women like Issa Rae who are creating diverse and great work.
You guys should do a video on the show, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. I think it has amazing costume design and I think it would be soooo cool if you guys commentated on it! The show deserves more recognition for its fashion pieces, and y’all should check it out.
I absolutely adore chick flicks, especially 2000's romcoms. True, there are some really horrifying ones, due to the abuse of the genre by greedy producers, but when they're good, they're the most emotional watches and can be truly inspiring for a girl. 'The Holiday' got me through my first breakup and 'The mirror has two faces' inspired me to end a relationship that wasn't working anymore. Those are forever my favourite movies and they empowered me like no superhero movie or a high drama ever could!
@@vanessaajohn I mean any time I reference it everyone says “wHaT”. Also most people (gen-z especially) don’t know many 80s movies. Most people only know about it because they were talking about making a reboot of it.
not me getting emotional at the end of the video.. as usual this video made incredible points and the editing was amazing as well! I just love this channel so much!
I love your channel, and I'm very happy to see you speaking up about the things you mention in this video. I did want to point out one thing, however. When you address your haters at the beginning of the video, but not the people who love and enjoy your channel, it makes your fans feel less important than your haters. Haters don't need your love or attention. Your fans deserve your love and attention instead.
I feel personally insulted that people actually think Heathers is a 'chick-flick'; first of all, can we stop pointlessly gendering movies that can be watched by all audiences? Second of all, Heathers is a dark comedic commentary on the status quo, suicide, and society in general. I will defend that movie as an underrated gem.
I love musicals especially MGM colour musicals, many or most of them are considered chick flicks and/or something that effeminate gays enjoy, and I'm glad, I won't let anyone denigrate me for being my feminine self.
I LOVE your videos, especially when you highlighted how white many of these movies are. As a dark-skinned black girl, seeing the same blond, skinny, tall white woman is tiring. I just want to see a black woman who is allowed to express her feminine vulnerable side without being ridiculed, or being told she's trying to act white! 💅🏿💅🏿💅🏿
You really analyzed and explain this topic so well! This is a topic long overdue!! “Chick-flicks” are my FAVORITE kinds of movies to watch. And really are empowering when they want to be. Great topic
Yes for so long I’ve been waiting on a “chick flick” of a young dark skin black woman being the main character still haven’t saw it. Hopefully one day it happens and the black woman isn’t half white.
the fact that everything that is unapologetically feminine is associated with cringiness and stupidity breaks my heart no wonder so many girls feel like they have to distance themselves from what is considered to be "girly stuff" in order to be taken seriously
On a similar note I've always hated how 'girly' characters are depicted as 'annoying' in most male-oriented productions, makes you not want to relate to them at all
@@cyntia9889 it's all about the ✨misogyny✨
@semi Sarah Z did an AMAZING video on the NLOG phenomenon. Highly recommend to anyone who hasn’t already seen it.
I think it has alot to do with the fact that women have historically been infantilized so femininity is associated with that.
but lets be real, feminism has been "build" to be mainly masculine. every time a women chooses to be a housewive, have kids, get married and take care of her husband, she gets those judgy condescending looks...from other women..and thats why i love chick flick. all the girls a feminine archetypes and dont try to act as if they dont need no man or need to be or seem tough.
What's funny is, people are always targeting chickflicks as cringey and laughable, but I'm supposed to sit down and watch James Bond without laughing my ass off?
Nope, you can, I sure do in a lot of macho centric films; I always crack in 300, sorry not sorry
That’s actually what my female friends and I watch as comedies. There’s nothing funnier than a stupid movie trying to be serious. The Rock holding a helicopter with one hand? Michael B Jordan trying to look tough? Best laughs guaranteed 😂
Hahaha! Yes!!
As with chick flicks, lots of action films geared towards the male gaze are just as cheesy. You should give James Bond a go. Hot guys, women in cool outfits, camp as hell...dont expect intelligence but they're entertaining
Ikr? The fast and furious is the funniest of them all
How Heathers, a dark comedy about teenagers being so isolated and disregarded they murder each other, ended up classified as a "chick flick" baffles me.
"Girls like it so guess lets relegate it to the 'chick flick' pile"
I think I've been guilty of relegating chick flicks into the same pile as action movies. If I enjoy them then they tend not to end up with those labels in my mind
Chick flick/action movies are denigrating labels for sure but in my little brain, films tend to get these tags based on how they're written, common tropes used in the film, how they're marketed etc and not based on who actually enjoys them
So yall just deaf when you want to be?
The same goes for the devil wears prada tbh. I’ve seen that thrown into the chick flick category a lot when, even though it doesn’t have dark themes in it like heathers does, it deals with real topics that come with life like having to choose between work life and personal life, finding out what you think is best for you, personal growth, and just overall things that can be experienced a lot when trying to create your career or being fresh out of college/uni.
I’ll admit the movie has flaws, but it’s still a shame to see what it’s sometimes degraded to
Me, too. In what world is a thriller like Heathers considered a “chick flick “? It’s laughable really.
In my opinion, "chick flicks" are important because they portray women in different decades; their place in society, workplace, relationships, fashion, language and more! I believe they are a vital contribution to cinema in order to understand our changes. It is sad that people don't consider them as "good movies".
Ps: sorry for my english
Don’t apologize! Your English is quite good. I would’ve assumed you were a native speaker if you didn’t say anything.
I dont have anything to say since I agree with you completely, but I just wanna say your English and grammar are incredible! Especially for not being a native speaker!
@Scarlet A I totally agree with you, there are good and bad movies, in every genre actually. What I meant was that it's a shame that many people think that most of chick flicks are as bad as "She's out of my league", but you are right, people have different tastes
@@cau1471 thank you so much!
Don't apologize, your English is perfect
As a boy who loves and watches your channel all the time. It was disappointing to see how hard I was judged for watching movies like this by my peers just because WOMEN were starring in it. Ever since I was a little kid I never saw movies like that I just saw them as movies that's it. I'm glad that there's a channel that expresses what I felt all these years. And get rid of that ridiculous stigma and just enjoy quality movies. So thank you.
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Anything that teenage girls like immediately becomes 'shallow' and 'cringe'.
yess, like twilight, i'm not saying the twilight movies are masterpieces of cinema, but they're pretty entertaining and ROBERT PATTINSON portrayed edward in such a good way, idk man the saga didn't deserve the hate it got
edit: ALSO billie eilish, every grown man assumes she doesn't wanna be like other girls and that she's fake depressed or smth but honestly billie is... just not like that? they just assume lol
@@markly5460 also the soundtracks were _immaculate_ . lots of good songs wouldn't be here if it weren't for the twilight saga
@@ia490 the soundrack was amazing, i legitimately want turning page as my wedding song lmao
riight, same thing with music if alot of teen girls love an artist/group or band they become target of ridicule
@@mimilillamy3460 Exactly! Like, I'm not the biggest One Direction fan but they're not like HORRIBLE and their fans definitely don't deserve the insane hate they get. And I mean Taylor Swift is... basic? I don't get it.
I remember my boyfriend and I were having a movie night. He always picks some kind of zombie movie and I just wasn’t with it that day, so I chose to watch Mean Girls. He asked if it was a chick flick, because the cover art looked like one. I was honest and said yes, but I also told him that the movie was a cult classic, which tickled his fancy.
Mean Girls is now one of his favorite movies.
I suggest Anna and the Apocalypse since Zombieland is probably already suggested. Mean Girls should definitely become a favorite to all :p
I suggested it to my boyfriend as well. He’d heard of it but never seen it and he’d know memes that came from it but didn’t know at all it’s origins (The “get in loser, we’re going shopping” one is something he loved to quote but had no idea it was from Mean Girls). He also loves it now!
wow i think i should ask my boyfriend to watch mean girls as well.
Me and your bf would be best friends sorry I love zombie movies more than anything. But I love chick flicks too lmao
Your bf is a soyboy.
I didn’t stop to read the title because when you see Audrey Hepburn and clueless on a Modern girls thumbnail you click FAST.
Yessss she always makes such good videos the tittle doesn’t matter💖
And Angela Bassett
I used to say I hated chick flicks because “I’m not like other girls” only to realize like 90% of the movies I watched and loved were in fact chick flicks.
How quirky
@@strwberry_xoxo LMAO
@@strwberry_xoxo lmao
been loving chick flicks since i was 12, never hated it.
@Someone 333 for me its chick flicks and fairytale movies lol
Notice how "chick-flicks" is a little degrading, but there's no male equivalent? Like dick-flicks for example; an example of a male version of a chick flick is Superbad. But that movie can be acceptably watched by both men and women, and it is seen as good comedy. However chick flicks can only acceptably be watched by women and they are seen as silly. In my opinion this is a huge issue because whenever movies about women are made, men stray away from them when they should be educating themselves on what women's lives are! Their representation of women is limited to the movies and books they consume, which typically do not have complex portrayals of women and can explain why men see us as walking sex toys or as manic pixie girls or other harmful things. Which is why Little Women being popular is sooo good, more men need to see women's perspectives. Us women constantly consume media revolving around men without an issue.
Petition to start calling movies like Superbad dick-flicks
And James Bond, as someone said in a other comment!
Does anyone has other examples?
@@medealkemy the American pie movies and Grown up 1 & 2 is what comes to mind
@@LazyGirlTalks grown up made me think let's put all adam sandler movies in that category
@@medealkemy the John wick movies and fast and the furious
Tbh most “chick flicks” are actually just good fun movies that everyone likes
Yes
They're a go-to for a nice movie night with a good entertaining show for me
I could litrally talk about how good a film is but it all comes undone when misogynistic men say "but it's a chick flick though"
I was talking about how much I love sound of music and Mary Poppins in class. Some kid said “it sucked, it literally sucked so bad” and at first, I asked “did you see it when you were little? I can imagine it being boring when you’re-“ and the guy said “no I watched it last year, it’s just a stupid chick flick, you’ve got bad taste” 🙂
@@kiannalim308 which is funny when you think about how Family Guy did a quick funny sequence with a scene from The Sound of Music.
@@kiannalim308 more like HE’S got bad taste. Imagine deciding that you don’t like something before watching it.
Society tends to deride anything teen girls and young women enjoy, moreso than anything of similar quality a man might like. Teen boy bands are automatically derided, whether or not their music is good or bad. Even classic novels like Little Women or the Brontes are considered “less prestigious” than Moby Dick because they’re about women. It drives me nuts.
Isn't little woman seen as a classic though?
@@inferiorinferno8859 oh
@@cookiemocher388 I just meant that peon who read classic novels might see make-centric classics like Moby Dick or the Great Gatsby as more prestigious than a female-centered classic novel like the Brontes or Little Women.
YEP!
Your line about how there are endless marylin movies and when will we get one about eartha kitt... I got chills, mama! would love to see a film that talks about her making ladybird Johnson cry at that dinner because of what eartha said about vietnam!
Yes it was iconic!!
Eartha is an Icon. In the full sense of the word!!!
YES YES YES
I feel like feminity is not looked at positively in the black community today. Sad 😭
Imma do my top 10 "chick flicks":
1. A Cinderella Story
2. Wild Child
3. Clueless
4. Freaky Friday (2003)
5. Mean Girls
6. Aquamarine
7. Enchanted
8. Legally Blonde
9. Bring it On: All or Nothing
10. The Cheetah Girls
Good list I watch most of them and their just so good.🤗🤗😀
CHEETAH GURLS 🤲🏽💞
@@Jammaverse i love it so much!! Jennifer coolidge as the mother was the funniest
Thanks for sharing your favs! Will need to check out Wild Child now since I’ve seen the rest and they’re solid.
Thoughts on Another Cinderella Story? Because the other Cinderella Story formula Cinderella story movies don’t do it for me, but I just really like the dancing in Selena Gomez’s version tho diner girl Hillary Duff is my girl.
@@Asummersdaydreamer14 i like selena’s. but i think my favorite sequel is lucy hale’s version. but i don’t think they are not as good as hilary’s to me
Heathers is ICONIC, period. We have got to end this stigmatization of something that is seen as "girly" or "something only girls like".
As a guy who enjoys “chick-flicks” not only because they are enjoyable but because there is a lot to learn from them. I only wish that there wasn’t judgement from both genders for watching these films as I believe everyone would benefit from them.
My dad bought and enthusiastically made us watch all the chick flicks he loved in the 80s/90s/00s, if an incredibly manly man like him can genuinely love chick flicks, anyone can
Same. Valley Girl is one of my favourites
That’s awesome.
Your dad is a soyboy.
I MISS the fun, empowering, cute chick flicks of the early 2000s and late 90s. So many gems. Have you seen Wild Child? It's one of the later, good chick flicks!
I loveeee chick flicks and I do not care what anyone thinks, they’re funny, light-heart and cute. What’s not to like?
SAMEEE I LOVE THEMMM 💕
Literallyyyyyyy! One of my favourite genres, and they don’t make me feel bad about wanting to be feminine or “girly”. Especially legally blonde, if anything it just enhances that side of me hahaha
and finally female characters that arent just here to look pretty next to the male protagonist
1 thousandth like!
@@nikki4596 love you x
I SAW HEATHERS AND CLUELESS AND I CLICKED
Likewise, although I'd normally not categorise "Heathers" as a chick flick, it's a VERY dark deconstruction of the genre. 😉
heathers is a prime example of the absurdity and vagueness of the "chick flick" genre, it's incredibly dark and clever and funny but because it stars women in the title roles it's been categorized as a woman's film
there are so many articles online about heathers being "a chick flick every guy should watch"
@@ModernGurlz yes! I don’t really think “chick flick” when I think of Heathers. I also hate when people act like it should just be written off as a comedy. It’s funny but it’s also so much more
When I think of Heathers I think of Murder and how much I love Chandler. I don't think of "Chick Flick" it's more of a dark comedy.
@@ModernGurlz could you do a breakdown of the costumes in Heathers? Or, honestly, just anything related to Heathers?
so next time you see on a guy's profile that he likes “all kinds of movies except chick flicks” maybe reevaluate if you want to have any sort of relationship with him.
p.s. as always, danger doubles if he lists fight club, the wolf of wall street, clockwork orange, among others as favorites and ESPECIALLY if he explicitly states that he admires/wants to emulate the protagonists
edit: yes it’s clockwork orange sorry i just translated by myself instead of looking it up and my latino ass wrote “mechanical orange”
That hypotethical guy is terrifying.
Did you mean a clockwork orange? Because that’s one of my favorite movies and so is fight club but I also like chick flicks and I’m not a dude soooo I guess I don’t count.
@@greatesteva7343 i think those films are cool. But when they want to be like the protagonists... no just no.
@@greatesteva7343 that’s exactly the one i meant, thanks!! see, the thing is that all those movies are objectively good movies, but they are studies of deeply flawed, destructive, generally toxic (in some way) men. As movies they have no obligation not to showcase this and can be appreciated for what they are, but when people, particularly other guys, idolize these men, that’s a very worrying sign of their own toxicity. There’s nothing wrong with you liking them!!
I don't see anything wrong with listing those movies as favourites, as long as they don't want to be the protagonists. The Wolf of Wallstreet is one of my faves too!
Heathers is considered a "chick flick"? Heathers is ICONIC! Everyone could benefit from watching Heathers, and its awful that because Veronica Sawyer (Played by Wionna Ryder) is the lead, it's a "chick flick". Seriously, if you haven't seen it, its on Hulu.
If yall don't have Hulu, there's one on TH-cam. I watched it on here last December.
@@plasticlope7995 thank you🥰
I mean, Veronica could be replaced with a guy and it would immediately be labeled as a teen drama at the very least
wish heather would be on netflix 😭
"How many movies about Marilyn Monroe do we need before we get one about Eartha Kitt"
*SHOTS. FIRED* They keep pulling the wrong lever.
plot twist - Marilyn Monroe desperately wanted more serious roles but was used by the studio as a dumb blond sex symbol. Besides, nothing wrong with being dumb blonde sex symbol nor being kick ass Eartha Kitt. Double standards here. From both of you.
@@julijakeit Are you using whataboutism on pop culture's obsession with Marilyn Monroe??
@@julijakeit huh
@@julijakeit you do realize that earths kitt was a black woman who literally had to work her butt off because she wasn’t being offered seriously roles due to her being black. How tone deaf and stupid do you have to be. Their are so many “chick flicks” with leading white women but how many with are their with women of color? This is just white privilege at its finest. Whenever we talk about people of color y’all always want to bring white people in it like you guys don’t already take up 80% of our screens all the time.
Imagine growing up and having to constantly relate to people who don’t look like you. You guys have so many white female characters you can relate to. It’s always about you guys. The entitlement is showing
I think there's a huge connect between loving literature and appreciating chick flicks. Because you recognize the distinction between well written unlikable characters that were intended to be so, and problematic characters that are just overused archetypes. When you make a literary analysis you can find depth in anything.
Like '10 things I hate about you' is based on 'taming of the shrew'! Or 'mean girls' being based on 'Julius Caesar and bard of Avon'
@@kennedyjojackson1202 You're so right. And Clueless is a modern adaptation of Emma. Those characters are better written than anyone in a Christopher Nolan film.
Huh, well this comment sent me on a thinking rabbit hole. I grew up loving chick flicks and watching them with my sister, because they were just perfect fluffy fun, upbeat and not messy or loud. I started to hate the rom coms after 27 Dresses, which looking back, falls kind of in that time when studios were just churning out by the numbers rom coms to get quick cash, which in a way has hurt the genre. After years of avoiding them, I've gotten back to watching and revisiting some of them and between the dated fashions and references, there's a lot of intelligence, witty humor and points being made.
Eartha Kitt made a movie about Eartha Kitt herself, and if that isn't the ultimate power move...
Yesterday I started checking out more chick flicks. I realized there’s lots that I haven’t seen so yeah. Also coming of age movies
I hate how a lot of coming of age movies are categorized as chick flicks just because they are "supposed" to appeal to women. Movies like Easy A, or Mean Girls, or The Princess Diaries are overlooked because "boys won't get them"
I think thats the exactly the motive teenagers in the 2010s revolved to fanfiction instead of movies.
We want a well written or filmed, compelling love story (even if that love isnt romantically). But the film industry only want quick cash, using the same easy market, because they want a easy formula that we will spend money with bc we are starved of representation.
Fanfiction is free, so the authors prioritize the writing over the money, with make some compelling, good stories. Anyway that's my theory, hoping someone realize that and a good chick flick get to the market soon 💕
I’m not as traditionally feminine as many of the viewers of this channel are, but one of the more “girly” things I do enjoy (apart from this channel and fashion and playing with dolls as a kid, god I miss that so much) is I’ve always loved chick flicks. Even when I was really into Harry Potter and it was all I watched and read and thought about, I’d make room for some more light hearted movies geared toward women. They’re so much fun and easy to watch and are multiple viewing friendly which is a must for me and my adhd (I often don’t have the patience to get into the plot of a new movie, but I still want to watch movies sometimes. I’ve seen mean girls a weird number of times). They’re also often weirdly empowering to me, even when it seems like they’re not supposed to be. Like I just feel happy to be a woman for a change when I watch them. In a way they seem more honest too in a way, than many more “serious” movies appear. I don’t know I just love these types of movies and I don’t care if other people don’t. I hope they’ll make a come back soon and like you brought up, with more diversity because that’s the one thing missing from them!
hello :) i deeply relate to your comment
Same!
Saw heathers, came as fast as I could.
Same
Honestly same
Same
This could have more than one meaning..👀💦
@@nikaxaiauri5169 ew
Angela Basset strutting away from the car after setting her husband’s clothes on fire is my aesthetic👸🏾🥵💕
that scene is everything!
You know she improvised the dialogue when she was packing up her husband's stuff! UGH, Angela Bassett is such a baddie! 💅🏿
🙌🏾🙌🏾
I love chick flicks so much and i don’t like that some people call them their “guilty pleasure” movies bc whats so bad about liking a “girly” light hearted movie? 💖
"fantasy films can have elves and fairies and flying dragons but people of colour? that's too unrealistic"
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PPL IN THE BACK! Oh my gosh that annoys me soo much when ppl say "black ppl weren't around in that timeline aka medieval england" etc. Like can we not be fairies too?? its FANTASY! MAKE IT UP!
That's somthing i don't like about Westeros. Could they be any whiter.
I think a lot of people need to realize that their idea of an empowered woman does not involve her looks. A "tomboy" is no more of a feminist than a "girly girl". The point is that ALL WOMEN ARE VALID, regardless of their appearance.
to me movies considered "chick flicks" have always been more enjoyable and comforting than films that center men
Me too
I like both :)
Practically even classics like Great expectations, Pride and Prejudice, Emma and Shakespearean plays like Twelfth Night are chick flicks, so obviously they deserve not only our respect but our reverence.
Funny how some of the highest grossing (Western) movies of all time (Gone with the Wind, Titanic) are Chick-Flicks. But I almost never hear them called that, because if a Chick-Flick is popular with all genders, it is just a movie, no ifs, ands, or buts.
I love watching movies classified as chick flicks, I honestly feel like no matter what age group they're appealing to (teens or adults), they always show diverse storylines. Not always in regards to race, but at least in terms of presenting women as two-dimensional characters with flaws and having ideals that may divert from societal gender norms. As usual, any film that has a large female audience isn't seen as serious, and that's honestly why this genre isn't seen as "real cinema"
But yet, "guy" films are able to come out with the hundredth sequel focusing on a popular car, spy, or robot franchise and no one bats an eye. Shocker 😒🙄🙄
all of my favorite movies are chick flicks and i’m not ashamed 😭
Me too
samee here
"how many movies do we have to make about marilyn monroe before we get one about eartha kitt?" WOW. a WORD
I hate how people might think you are “stupid” or “superficial” for watching chick flicks, but “smart” or “geeky” for liking superhero movies.
Nobody thinks watching superhero movies makes you "smart" though. They're seen as garbage or just cheap entertainment.
All I want to say is... could we please appreciate 13 going on 30 for being an absolutely amazing movie
Finally someone said it, I love the points you made!
Girl it just came out lol
@@a.person4761 💀right
@@a.person4761 what I commented this 5 mins ago not 11 tf TH-cam on crack?!
I always figured Chik Flick was intellectual stances on perspectives/society-world usually masked in pink, skirts or sprinkles. Idk.
So I was basically right.
The neon genesis evangelion of movie genre
I loved this video! 👏👏👏 you totally captured how I feel about these movies and why I hesitate to call them "chick flicks" because of the connotations it brings. I especially liked the part when you mentioned that different genres of movies are lumped together under the generic "chick flick" because gaining respect for these movies isn't just about people accepting them as harmless, feel good movies that don't deserve all the hate they get, but also actually acknowledging that these stories have depth and can resonate with so many people if given the chance. I would ask why everyone is expected to be able to relate to a male led movie but only women would relate to "chick flicks" but we all know the answer to that question
I’d also like to mention that the YA genre in books is also typically unfairly brushed off as a “girl’s genre”. Think of how many jokes we make at the expense of stuff like Twilight. There’s certainly problematic and weird aspects of it, but is it enough to warrant how much hate it got?
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that YA, a genre dominated by female writers and female characters, is also seen as lesser than “adult fantasy”. There’s also recently been an even bigger push in the YA book industry for more characters/authors of color and intersectionality, having characters who are both POC and LGBT. Contrast this to adult genres, most notably fantasy, which almost always center around a male character in a European inspired setting.
the way that every single twilight joke i’ve seen from men revolves around it being a “woman movie” and not the multiple crazy things the characters have done.
When I was in middle school my family went to see a touring company of Legally Blonde the musical. My older brother, a teenage boy at the time, loved it. It made him watch the movie.
He prefers the musical, but he enjoyed it. My point is basically if more guys actually gave these movies a chance they'd like them.
The negative stigma around chick flicks is so ridiculous. If these stories were told with different visuals they wouldn't be dismissed. I love your points about how they evolve with the times- chick flicks truly empower a lot of people who don't have a voice on other media
When movies starring female protagonists are automatically labelled "chick-flick" regardless of its genre bc movies starring male leads are seen as the default :))
Deep inside of my heart, i want people to make movie about muslim women that doesnt related to terrorism and oppressions bcs our life is so much more than that but i know how it will turn out, it would be a mess bcs they will only show stereotypical version of us. The ending will be: the hijabi finally reveal her hair and leave her religion. Its so sad.
Why muslim women cannot make a movie about themselves? Tons of directors started with a low budget movie and those were still quite successful. Why expect others to do it for yall?
@@my-vn8nw where did the person say they demand non-muslim people to make a movie about them? they just expressed their frustration with lack of authentic portrayal of people of their religion. there's also a huge chance the op doesn't even work in the industry and has no way of influencing the movies that are being made other than writing out their thoughts online.
@@katjau_ yes thank you.
@@katjau_ yes thank you.
My favorite chick flick is I Can't Think Straight. Brown girl lesbians that end up happily married with kiddos
What I love about this channel is how DIVERSE her range of film knowledge is
I adore it when people of colour are in films of all types, -as someone who's not white, it’s wonderful to feel represented- but when it's a period piece about medieval England I don't think it's that important to make it all about diversity. I don't know about you but historical accuracy is tremendously important to me.
I haven’t seen any of those 2010s movies (and don’t intend to) and honestly never thought of them as chick flicks. I thought they were targeted at teenage boys. I also think of The Neverending story and The Princess Bride as "kids movies" (that I do enjoy as an adult, especially The Princess Bride). I like a good chick flick though!
ok i don’t usually comment on youtube videos but i have completely stalked this account and genuinely have so much respect for the way she analyzes and breaks down movies/feminism/clothing SO throughly. amazing job!
I agree with your points, but I must MUST counter the categorization of crazy stupid love as a good movie. I have a lot of issues with it, but it's impossible to ignore the fact that a 17/18 year old babysitter gives naked photos of herself to a middle schooler. Photos that were intended for that child's FATHER. That's not rom-com cute imo.
Amen I just recently watched and I couldn’t enjoy it at all, I hate that continuously message to young guys that even when the girl is clearly not interesting in you, she owns u something anyway for liking her, that good damn ending with the baby sitter being nice with the annoying kid after he ruin her life when she all the time clearly says no... I hate it, also hate it in How I met your mother, we as woman don’t own u a sh*t, our opinions doesn’t have to change with time just because u have a cringy obsessed crush on us
great point! that was the only film that she mentioned that I disagreed with it had a couple of good moments but very few
Honestly i thought crazy a was more problematic than crazy stupid love
The fact that the term chick flick is treated as a synonym for bad movie and that there is no male equivalent pretty much says everything. Thank you for making a video like this 💜
Wait, “Heathers” is considered a chick flick?
anything with women as main cast is considered chick flicks apparently, no matter the genre or story, it's ridiculous.
Heathers, for me, is 100% a dark comedy. No doubt
heather, kurt and ram didn't die for it to be
9 to 5 is LITERALLY a perfect movie THANK U for including it
Plus I was so happy when u did heathers in the intro
Honestly as a female, feminism has let me down, feminism has actually degraded girly things and come to insult women who decide to stay at home and be a mother/wife... Like isn't feminism about my choice? So why can't I choose to stay at home take care of my family? why is liking pink and cooking seen as submissive?
A thing I feel is worth noting: The "#GirlBoss Woman Who Doesn't Act Girly" trope came from people wanting to subvert society's expectations of women (which. i guess is being "girly?") It's well intentioned, but completely misguided. The point of feminism was to let women be comfortable with themselves and not feel the need to care about the patriarchy's perception. Instead, what people ended up doing was promoting more "masculine" traits instead of femininity, and intentional or not, rooted the idea that one way of how a woman should act is superior to the other.
When you said the word “over-correcting”, I said it too! Lol. Great commentary, and I love how the perspective this gives to this trend.
This really hits the mark and you said something that I've felt since I was a kid!! The feelings I got while watching, say, Practical Magic, and what it taught me, is more valuable than 99% of Oscar nominated movies, and yet the genre is ridiculed to no end
Also, a lot of what you said can also be said, copy-pasted, for chick-lit/the romance genre, which I also love 💕
Omfggggg yes! 😭😭😭 Practical Magic was such a beautiful movie Omg and I loved Gilly and Sally ❤️
I watch Practical Magic at least once a month! It's my favorite movie. Period.
Y'all are my people ❣️
Bridesmaids is the best chic flick of all time! It's funny, relatable, has strong acting and seriously rewatchable ❤️
I love how flawed the main character is, it isn't a patronizing girl power movie. Also I love how the movie is less about love and more about self esteem and friendship and how people move on in life. It has so much meaning ❤️
People can accept gory offensive action mainstream movie made by souless cooperation but a simple chick flick is too much for these movie snobs? ugh, society nowadays 🙄
40 days & 40 Nights is one of my fav movies ever. That flower scene is hot. And I also enjoyed The Girl Next Door.
i always look forward to your videos, you’re so respectful, insightful, caring, and intelligent, feels like youre my big sister, you’re a wonderful role model, thank you
I am a guy and most of us do not like chick flicks[when i say chick flick i mean most of the rom coms does not matter if either the male or the female is in lead (and i even like a lot of movies with female leads, its necessary for the society to see women in a leading role) and its not a presumption and my opinion is based on my thoughts and the the thoughts of most men i meet in my daily life and interact with online]. One of the huge reasons is that it sets unreal expectations among women about men. You know this is true... How many chick flicks are there where a guy sacrifices himself or his career or his dreams or gives up on a lot of the things he likes to get the women. In how many such movies does a guy goes on changing himself to be a better version of themselves (acc to women which they will like)It's not any better for us men when we're expected to play the role of “Prince Charming”, ready and willing to lay down our lives and give up everything that makes us who we are, thus changing ourselves (does not matter for good or bad but the thing is you want us to accept you for who you are but you do want us to change and there is nothing wrong in it for you to think that but it is wrong for you to expect us to like it) what do most rom-coms have in common? There’s a woman (played by the female lead), who is either going through a break-up, or just can’t seem to find a “good man”. The female lead is surrounded by her “girlfriends” who form an informal “support group” (complete with the prerequisite “man-bashing”) and tell her that something like although she will eventually find love, she doesn’t even need a man. Men are portrayed as stupid, embarrassing, clumsy, boorish, and generally speaking, undesirable. The only “quality” the male lead usually has at the beginning of the movie is that he’s usually physically attractive. Usually the female lead meets one of these “flawed men” through some sort of contrived “meet-cute”(don’t blame me for the term, I didn’t create it) or had already dated him, and while initially there are sparks (either on one side or both), it doesn’t typically work out at first, usually because the guy is “an idiot” in one way or another. Somewhere along the line one or both of them has a revelation that they are in love with the other, and performs some sort of grand gesture (usually in public in order to humiliate themselves, which the woman finds adorable), and then they both profess their love for one another . Not all women enjoy movies like this though, just like all men don’t dislike movies like this, but being that these movies are by design written for the female audience (just as movies like superhero movies, expendables, mission impossible series, Goodfellas, or The Terminator are designed to appeal to men), it’s mostly women who want to watch them. I guess it really is about how we are. Women typically enjoy movies that have romantic themes, comedy or drama alike, and men typically enjoy movies that are of the action-adventure, comedy, superhero and/or horror genres. Women also tend to be more emotional than men(generally speaking and not confining every man in this notion). Like I said, it’s just how we’re wired, and while clearly not all men/boys and women/girls are wired this way, the majority tend to be. When it comes to romance, guys don’t really care that much about it, at least not in the way women do. Think about it, most women dream about a big, fancy “fairy tale” wedding and fantasize about it throughout their adolescence and beyond. It’s said that a wedding day is “the bride’s day”, and for good reason. Guys couldn’t care less about a wedding function , but they will be excited for getting MARRIED. In the end if you like chick flicks, sure its great and there is nothing wrong with it but expecting guys to do feel the same way about them is not right. Besides there are very few chick flicks that we actually enjoy like the same way there would be some action films that you enjoy. I might get a lot of hate for this but i just couldn't store it all up. Sorry if it made you feel bad in any way or if i have intentionally or unintentionally offended you but that's is how it is....
PS: English is not my first language so please bear with my inconsistencies in writing..
NEVER thought 'Sleeping with the Enemy' or 'Fatal Attraction' were considered chick flicks?! Have those people watched the films?
I love it when she shares problems like these, the misconception of chick flicks has been around for too long, I hope she keeps making videos like this and spreading more awareness about the same sort of problems.
I just want to see a movie about someone like me, I have a disability but my whole life doesn't revolve around it, "overcoming" it, or even learning to accept myself. I had accepted myself as a teen, I spent the first part of my life adapting and now I'm doing things other than constantly worrying about my disability - I travel, have a fiance, I like going to the cinema, I love rollercoasters and going out to dinner with friends. At high school I had to do homework like everyone else, I had crushes like everyone else, and I did things other teenagers did. Is it too much to ask to see just one movie where the main character has some kind of physical disability and the whole story isn't about their goddamn disability
Idk if this counts (cause it's been a long time since I saw this film) but would The Brooke Ellison Story count?
It says something that women are expected and able to highly empathize with male characters/stories but men can’t seem to bring themselves to watch “chick flicks”, speaks to a larger problem of many of them simply not being able to relate to us as humans. Just weird
chick flicks to me are more than just good movies. they're like a comforting blanket that i put on whenever i feel unwell. some of them are linked to my childhood memories too, which makes them not boring for me to watch again and again. in short, chick flick is warm
“Fantasy films can exist have dragons and fairies but POC are too unrealistic?” LOL spill!
and to think how most of these movies actually do give great lessons or even bring important issues to discussion. the ones i can think from the top of my head:
legally blonde - literally a feminist classic
mean girls - a funny take on how it’s actually wild in something so simple and looked down on which is the social structure between teenage girls. it literally also taught me about political science a bit from the reviews of the movie
devil wears prada - taught me a lot about fashion and changed my perspective on the whole industry, not just the way i look at fashion but also the way how something i thought was so simple had a lot going on behind the scenesz
“How many movies do we have to make about Marilyn Monroe before we get one about Eartha Kitt?” 🙌🔥🔥🔥
i LOVE your channel, you analyse every topic super thoroughly and are able to actually give credit to so many arguments that are generally considered shallow. i love it!!!
Tess, I really enjoy and appreciate your work.
This video thoughtfully examines the stereotype of the genre of Chick-flicks in a meaningful way; both how they can go wrong but also what many of them get right. It also call the writers and the audience to recognizing the value in each other and I very much appreciate that too! Thanks for sharing your positive attitude and witty criticism!
Hopefully one day you start looking at male icons as well, hopefully that your male viewers can use as inspiration.
This is so weird to see movies that my brothers, guy friends, and other males in my life and having those films described as chick flicks. I'm glad that my parents didn't fall into the trap with media in general. like for example they're unphased if my youngest brother says his favorite show is Miraculous, and my dad's favorite movie is the princess bride (we watch it often), and my other brother used to love Ocean's 8.
When you started talking about the “girl power” movies, I remembered seeing a review about the Star Wars sequels. Although Disney tried to be more inclusive by adding a woman and men of colour as the protagonists, the way the story was written ultimately gave the most attention and thought to the antagonist, Kylo Ren, who was a white male. Rey, Poe and Finn’s characters were either sidelined or given subpar character arcs. Even worse, they forced a weird “connection” between Rey and Kylo Ren, which ultimately highlighted HIM more than her.
The writers had all of the ingredients needed to make a well-written story with diverse characters, but they just couldn’t shake the old Hollywood habit, and the sequels suffered for it.
My brother will happily sit down and watch legally blonde with me at any time of day
man, this channel is something else. you conveyed your ideas so clearly and thoughtfully. it's really inspiring that you're using your platform to educate people about these issues and you're a great role model for girls everywhere! you're my new favourite channel
I love your videos, I love your voice, and I love the topic you choose. Amazing chefs kiss
Great video as usual. I'll be honest I used to hate "Chick Flicks", that was probably the internalized misogyny. I really enjoy them now although I wish we had more Black women as leads. I'm grateful for women like Issa Rae who are creating diverse and great work.
You guys should do a video on the show, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. I think it has amazing costume design and I think it would be soooo cool if you guys commentated on it! The show deserves more recognition for its fashion pieces, and y’all should check it out.
I absolutely adore chick flicks, especially 2000's romcoms.
True, there are some really horrifying ones, due to the abuse of the genre by greedy producers, but when they're good, they're the most emotional watches and can be truly inspiring for a girl.
'The Holiday' got me through my first breakup and 'The mirror has two faces' inspired me to end a relationship that wasn't working anymore. Those are forever my favourite movies and they empowered me like no superhero movie or a high drama ever could!
OH MY GOD SHE KNOWS WHAT THE PRINCESS BRIDE IS I’m quaking in my princess bride fandomism
It’s one of the most popular movies of all time what do you mean she knows what it is?
@@vanessaajohn I mean any time I reference it everyone says “wHaT”. Also most people (gen-z especially) don’t know many 80s movies. Most people only know about it because they were talking about making a reboot of it.
not me getting emotional at the end of the video.. as usual this video made incredible points and the editing was amazing as well! I just love this channel so much!
"not everything has to be about feminism!!" not everything has to be about men. silence kyle, for your tanks and rifles are fucking boring
I love your channel, and I'm very happy to see you speaking up about the things you mention in this video. I did want to point out one thing, however. When you address your haters at the beginning of the video, but not the people who love and enjoy your channel, it makes your fans feel less important than your haters. Haters don't need your love or attention. Your fans deserve your love and attention instead.
"Go make me a sandwich"
Why did I laugh so hard at that😂
I feel personally insulted that people actually think Heathers is a 'chick-flick'; first of all, can we stop pointlessly gendering movies that can be watched by all audiences? Second of all, Heathers is a dark comedic commentary on the status quo, suicide, and society in general. I will defend that movie as an underrated gem.
I love musicals especially MGM colour musicals, many or most of them are considered chick flicks and/or something that effeminate gays enjoy, and I'm glad, I won't let anyone denigrate me for being my feminine self.
I LOVE your videos, especially when you highlighted how white many of these movies are. As a dark-skinned black girl, seeing the same blond, skinny, tall white woman is tiring. I just want to see a black woman who is allowed to express her feminine vulnerable side without being ridiculed, or being told she's trying to act white! 💅🏿💅🏿💅🏿
If they keep calling any movie with a female protagonist a chick flick, I propose we call movies with a male protagonist a *ick flick.
LMAO THIS IS ACTUALLY GENIUS
You really analyzed and explain this topic so well! This is a topic long overdue!! “Chick-flicks” are my FAVORITE kinds of movies to watch. And really are empowering when they want to be. Great topic
Yes for so long I’ve been waiting on a “chick flick” of a young dark skin black woman being the main character still haven’t saw it. Hopefully one day it happens and the black woman isn’t half white.
I don't know if this counts but there was Beauty Shop
I am so so soooo happy that you included clips from the half of it, that's a really good story
This was great! I'd love a video on clueless or heathers! 👍🏾