This Eurorack Case Should Not Exist | Sinusoda Cases Demo
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2024
- Being a demo of a unique MODULAR modular synth case system called Sinusoda. Expand gradually, split cases apart, make weird shaped cases, use the bonus SIDE HP?! It's a thing and I like it. sinusoda.com/
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CHAPTERS
00:00 What is this?!
00:18 The Problem with Eurorack Cases
01:24 What does Sinusoda do?
02:46 The raw building blocks
03:41 Powering it
06:00 MAGIC SIDE HP!
09:30 How is it built & expanded?
12:43 Customiseable End Caps
13:56 What is the build quality? (Not a review)
In case people are wondering, an empty unassembled 52 HP "can" goes for 75 quid, the 1U expander is 67. The in-case power supplies are 165, and 107 for the smaller one, and the power brick transformer is 41.5.
I am the The Can user for quite a long time ;) I really need to say, even if the "plastic is not sexy", when you fill your case with modules, it really strenghtens the construction - modules has fixed height, they weight themselves, and that makes it overall really solid :))
Also, there are project files of that plastic elements - so you can print your own version with 3D printer - with unique colour etc - which makes that system even more modular ;)
Btw. What's cool it's you can buy pretty every element just as single piece (at start I've bought only few elements for my DIY case) and power solution itself is really top, and deserves an extra episode :)), and it really helps to save money for some modules, not to spend on start hundreds $$$ only on case, when you don't even know how much space will you need in future ;)
I noticed these cases a few weeks ago while browsing for new modules, and I was immediately sold. Then I forgot about it and now it's all coming back to me. Brilliant design, brilliant video.
It's ridiculous, I absolutely love it
Side HP would be great for things like Disting MIDI Breakout module, mults, or input/output modules. Brilliant idea.
Yeah, also fully VC-modules/io, like VCAs that only operate via CV, out effects loop modules, mults, etc.
Stupid idea, you have to have another case to carry the case around, instead of a lid that's part of the case.
This is genius. It isn’t for everyone but this is a great idea
What a wicked idea! Thanks for showing us these, Alex!
It”s bonkers! 💚 I was wondering about the side HP in that video you released the other day. Now, let’s see somebody make a modular pinball machine.
Just when I thought I was out of the “will I ever get into Eurorack?” mindset, they pull me back in
yeah, if someone made a version of this from nicer plastic OR even aluminium, I'd be ALL over it. this idea is so cool!
Thx for the mention and cool usage of the buildup and drop !!!
It’s perfect for side mounting!
ha just noticed some DivKid tune-age in the background.
Nice one and good to see more about the case.
He he - yes indeed, only the best!
Awesome! Noticed this new case in the last vid, glad to get the info on it!
The side HP would be super great for an A-178 theremin module.
What a superb design! Great video as always. I need to investigate...
Seems really well designed, and they showed very good judgement in sending them to you.
I don’t think I have ever been there excited by a case before ❤
Man, what a neat thing this is!. Cool "side HP" trickery aside, it's about time someone finally made a truly modular case like this. It seems like such a simple proposition, but aside from some sketchy or fussy 3D-printed jobs, this is the first commercially available one I've seen that looks actually viable.
I also really *really* like that the expansion connections are made via driving a bolt into a captive nut instead of threading the plastic directly. Unlike the power distribution board mounting posts, those are parts that will most likely be dis/re/assembled and moved around over and over again, so they've clearly given some consideration to longevity. It's such a small design decision that probably only minimally increases costs, but will add years of durability to the finished product.
Got the 6-pack 104hp/6U and it works really good. Great that it will be easy to change size if needed!
just subbed. love this !!
The pinball machine style layout is genius but the side HP is clearly designed for an SH101 style modulation-grip and guitar strap buttons.
If I did not already have an Intellijel 7U case, I would 100% get into these. Very awesome stuff!
Finally !
I've just got into modular (after years of keeping away from it for obvious financial and mental reasons hehe) and always thought that the actual case system was somewhat limiting the modular potential.
So cool !!
Mind blown, that's brillant designer, the engineers behind this project are clever! 🤯
I might get my first EuroRack setup with thoses systems, starting with a can and maybe a slim can with the lite power module.
This is neat. I don't think I have a need for a case like this anymore but I'm glad it exists.
Also mad jelly of that Ana 2!
@@savagemessiah. Good spot!!
This is incredible. It’s like diy your modular case but with something “already done” that everybody can personalise it.
I honestly can’t wait to see some angle bits
I love it so much!!
I've got two of these and they are awesome! We've got a small carrying case for them and they travel pretty well.
Few folks wondering about travel cases - what do you put them in?
@@mylarmelodies oh this is a soft case that my partner made at home. I wouldn't consider it a "road case" but we take the same care as we would a backpack with a laptop in it when traveling. Pelican Cases seem like a shoo-in for the Soda Can, though
Great video!
That's really cool. I currently have a Nifty Case from Cre8Audio. If I outgrow that case, this might be something to look into for future expandability. I have been thinking about getting into busking with electronic instruments. A customizable case would be great for that.
Haha, I said loudly to myself in my own head '6U 104HP' is the 'right size'. Then you echo'd that :) The similar sized Intellijel cases with the 1U options are nice too, because of modules like the 1U uO_C, and the Ritual drive modules. Mantis is a good size as a studio option, but yes, a bit big for travel. I forced myself to be limited to one 6U Arturia Rackbrute. And it's definitely focused my thinking. If I need something else, it can be powerful pedals (Meris Polymoon, Chase Bliss Mood mk.II, UA Del-Verb ), and for sequencer, the compact Oxi One. Next year, I'll add an Empress Zoia Euroburo in it's own small sidecar case, because that will be me a lot of flexibility, to be a stereo wave folder into stereo filter, granular and a whole effects chain, and also some stochastic signals on it's CV outs. And I can also use all those pedals for my guitar, where the pedal format suits better than a big extra modular case. I prefer the sound of the best pedal FX to almost all the eurorack options. Apart from Strymon Magneto, which is lovely. I might move off Magneto into it's small case along with the Strymon I/O, so I can use it with my pedals for guitar too.
Great idea, but I don’t think they’re particularly pretty! I love how my Rackbrute looks, but this looks a bit messy. That said it’s a great idea that is going to be fantastic for many, and expansion options are always good.
I’ve been considering a skiff or small case for a external sequencer, and this would be a great option!
Excellent!
Very clever system design
Cool idea, wonder where they came up with it
Awesome!!!😊
Portability is crucial, especially when using the system in a live setting outside the studio. I came across this case at Superbooth, and I was impressed by its design. Additionally, it's relatively lightweight. However, it falls short in terms of durability and solidity, and it's worth noting that modules placed on the side may be more vulnerable to the frequent impacts this equipment can endure during transportation, and you are still limited to placing those modules that you use the least, because it would not be the best to play with modules on the side.
Absolutely, however I do really fancy the arcade button idea. I might just put a couple of arcade buttons on the side of my case now, rigged into transistors to have them punch gates
Good additional bolt on side peice would be some carry handles (loops of metal or plastic) extending beyond the stickout of controls.
Great Demo as always! I wonder your thoughts on portability? I gather it’s not high on the list of assets since you didn’t really mention it at all. Seems like it would be difficult to carry around, modules and cables being exposed and such. Would be amazing if there was some sort of case system to close it up to take on the go.
The manufacturer says they’ll have carry cases soon
It's a good idea as a grow kit, but for people who know they're going to go bigger, £486 for 7U 104HP is getting close to Befaco 7U case territory and the power on the Befaco is a beast plus you get all the jack outputs and a plastic lid. For me, I have Trogotronic power which is more than I'll ever need. I 'll DIY using the Penn Elcom N-Case system like the Damaru cases from Elevator sound.
One thing that I always find (literally) painful is trying to plug in the power for a module when swapping it out and then having to either cram my hand into a barely wide enough space or else remove a bunch of other modules just to plug in the power. It would be great if you could unscrew the back of it (or parts of the back) to plug a new module into the power buss. I suppose you could kind of do it by removing the top of the case...also modular depth would be great. Sometimes you need just a thin case, but then you get one module that won't fit and need to get a totally new case or bodge something together with standoffs or something. Moog angled 60hp case, I'm looking at you...
Interesting, the endcaps you can score and snap off, could also be used as blank 1 hp panels to coverup any holes etc.
You'd need to drill some holes in them as they're not all holey, but it could be done!
this case is so mylarmelodies
Been contemplating getting a small skiff to add functionality to my semi-modular synth, this has definitely piqued my interest
Excellent, just need lids and handles!
The Sinusoda cases are great-except that practically nobody has them. I managed to get four of them, with two Juices-and then every place I've looked for them have been out of stock ever since. Ditto for parts-which is too bad, because I need to replace one of the threaded rails so that the holes line up properly.
Bravo!
Didn't know you can cut and snap off the end caps. Really well thought out!
Btw, I see you got your John Cage silence generator. Are you enjoying the silence?
Whenever I can get some!! 😜
Brilliant
I designed a 3D-printable, modular Eurorack rail system a while back over on Printables (CC License). This is a nice system but I fear it's still too expensive when compared to something like the Happy Endings. Buying multiple of these cans to make a larger case seems as or more expensive than a predesigned larger case (and it won't feel like a PC tower).
Yeah defo it’s going to be more expensive than buying one big case might, but I suppose the point is you can do it in parts, and retain flexibility as you do it. Curious to see your system, please do link if poss!
@@mylarmelodies I have to agree that cost is going to make or break this system. It's understandable that the power supplies cost what they cost, but if they can get the price of the 3u & 1u cans and the passive buss expander boards down significantly, it just might work.
(While watching this video) Wife in bed last night "what are you buying now?" we all know where this is leading...new case. On a serious note, this looks amazing and well thought out.
It would be amazing... but it is SO DEEP. I would buy it in skiff version.
Do you need to pull the modules out to connect two cans? Like if I have two cans set up as independent instruments can I just bolt them together?
You would need to pull the modules out just near the end in order to screw in the bolts yes!
got it, thanks
Hey any idea if this would work with the Intellijel hinges?
What are intellijel hinges?
Careful placing those 2hp modules in between other modules PCBs, they could easily short each other out.
Oh yeah that was just meant to be a joke, I’m not sure you could actually even get power to it!
My one concern would be transport, especially with the side HP where there're now buttons and knobs that can bend and break on 3 sides of the case
Yeah I thought the same, but I do know one artist (Keith Fullerton Whitman) who does travel with them and said it was ok?! Obviously some kind of protective outer cover would be ideal…but hard to make one that fitted different case designs.
I’m sure there’s a pelican case that could work and with the pluck n pull foam you could easily custom fit the padding to your needs. Pelican cases aren’t cheap of course, but they are awesome and well worth the asking price in my opinion.
@@davidfarrell4953 But then you could buy a "proper" case right away that doesn't need such additional protection? I don't know. I'm not sure what to make of it right now.
Great point!
In my opinion I guess playing devils advocate here I also wouldn’t trust any Eurorack Briefcase to ACTUALLY go in an airline hold without a Peli case around it for extra protection (case in point, I bought a Peli knock off case for my MDLR case for this exact reason - also it’s too heavy to carry without castors!!)
Cool idea! They could improve the form factor.
What would you change?
Bottom-mounting!
@@mylarmelodies Wrote the comment before seeing the side mount. Before it looked a bit plastic but with the side mounted modules it looked much better.
Yep it does use plastic for the majority of parts, I talk a bit about that at the end, as I’m not sure what else it could be realistically without skyrocketing costs (eg. Metal would be lovely but super pricey, wood would be impractical, etc.)
is there anyway i can show you my double Arturia case modified to death, even moving supplies to the sides and populating laterals, with arcade buttons, pedal controls and faceless front modules?
Send it on instagrammaphone?
The pricing is decent. Though it’s strange that if you were to buy one can disassembled with the power supply. Then add three more disassembled empty cans it’s more expensive than the assembled 4 pack they sell. Same thing goes for the 6 pack that adds two 1u cases.
Standard sort of practise for this sort of thing. I can’t think of many examples of the top of my head, but you’re often better to buy a full set straight away rather than buy small bits gradually
Yeah no bulk discount if you buy them in installments I suppose, but then you _are_ buying them in installments (rather than potentially buying more space than you need)
It took way too long to get this made. Highly interested.
This is super-interesting. I suspect, like most modular gear, I'm going to be shocked at the cost. But it seems really well thought out.
Edit: Actually the prices are not so bad, comparatively.
Yeah, I'm comparing their pre-assembled "Six Pack" vs the similar Intellijel 7U Performance Case, it costs 20% less, is way more versatile, and the main downside is it being plastic instead of aluminum.
@@leebenningfield If the plastic is good quality I wouldn't call it a downside. It's a trade of being lighter but weaker compared to aluminium. The real downsides are no build it way to have the case angled on the table and lack of transport options, like a bag and cover for patched cables.
I don’t show it in this vid but FWIW I have the bigger case in the vid on a LOCI stand right now, the bottom is flat and so it can go on those (or a laptop stand etc)
I wish this could be vesa mounted
Wonder if you could hot glue a VESA plate to the underside of it?!
Looks awesome. Would be nice if they were available to purchase. Lol. Must be a hit.
Oh heck, maybe worth checking a few shops. I kno they have a free shipping thing with SoundofEU: soundofyou.eu/sinusoda-2?at[30]=6414&campaign-id=14
How does that 4'33" module sound?
very relaxing
Side hp is cool but how do you actually protect the modules you put there on transport? The concept is very nice but without solid lid and side lids, it’s not really portable. Of course you can customize something but having 3 sides to protect makes the task quite more difficult. I hope they can come up with a solution for that, I cannot consider this case in the meantime.
I like this.
I just bought all the rails, power, and extra bits to make a case out of wood. A semi - modular case. No where near as flexible, but... Oh well.
My second case was DIY wood, it’s a good way to do it if you’re handy with DIY, defo the cheapest option. My first case was cardboard 🤪
@@mylarmelodies I am not handy, but I have all the tools, so I keep trying.
Oh my. Sounds like my modular is becoming a C U B E
It sounds really cool, but I have 2 questions:
1. Is there any solution to have it be angled? Like how Intellijel Performance cases have legs, so it doesn't have to sit flat on the table.
2. Any bag/case solutions for transporting this to a gig for example?
As you didn't mention these points in your video, I would assume that those are drawbacks compared to Intellijel cases for example. Worth pointing out.
So it doesn’t have an angle solution built in nope - but you could put it on a stand (I have one on a LOCI stand here). Sinusoda have mentioned lids/bags on their site as a potential thing for the future but no date for that so I didn’t think I should mention it. Obvs a litany of briefcase modulars are available too if travel is the primary concern!
@@mylarmelodies I would think mentioning, that you don't actually know if any bags are coming or not, is okay. Anyway thanks for the video!
their website under "roadmap" says angled brackets are coming
Side HP? 👀Useful surprise!
Great. Even fewer constraints on an instrument format with too few constraints.
If you want constraints it’s a bit odd to expect them from an open ended synth format with thousands of modules - buy something pre-built then
Modular grid gonna need a new 3d editor
The major parts of “The Can” can be 3D printed. They should produce a file to print the big parts. Then they could focus on making the support parts that you can’t print. You’d be able to order “the rest” like a starter kit with a juice. If they made a USB-C power module for the side…
I’d be broke… like… all the time.
Nice modular pinball machine
The key for this being popular will be the price-- if it's any more expensive than a Rackbrute and I expect it'll flop for beginners
Oh its more then a rackbrute, four of these to make a 6u 104 is 410 dollars
@@nebulance4289True, but the genius is the expansion options and being able to reconfigure to whatever the user wants.
This shit is wild!
You could make an actual synth cube, Borg-looking modular modular, by using 5 squares similar to the one you built, plus a bottom plate (as the 6th side of the cube) for mounting the cube onto a rolling mixer stand. Or you could buy a car, but WTH, you already have a car, but you don't have a real bona-fide synth cube.
Okay, I think the squares wouldn't all be identical, because of the side HP. But I bet it could be worked out.
Very cool until I looked at the prices. $600 for a 7u/104hp makes the $300 Go still king for a basic case that's powered. HOWEVER....the modularity..and if you do it right...could make this much more affordable. I'd love to get one that's powered, toss bubbles on to power at least 2 more of the cases with long enough ribbons. I'm currently filling 2 Go's and looking at maybe a 3rd OR something like this. Still though to get the 104hp it costs as much as a Go and it's an unpowered case. Making a giant 6pack of these above 2 end stacks to make almost a bridge over my NiftyKeyz sounds really appealing though.
Bonkers or brilliant? Or bonkers AND brilliant 🎉
playing your modular like a pinball machine... mind blown
Now it REALLY goes boing
A the can has side mounts. I wish my case had side mounts like these the cans. 😆
Someone needs to sell 15HP rails!
I really like the idea, but somehow I'm not 100% convinced. I mean, they could've made the side frame out of metal, removing ANY doubt in the stability of the system. Right now... I don't know it just looks too plasticy (is that even a word?) and janky to me. Especially the ends look weird. The "Spaltmass" is completely irregular.
I know, first world problems. 😋
But the idea IS genius. Thank you for testing it.
Worth noting there is metal in the side bits! Just thin reinforcement at the ends. But yeah in my experience it feels very stable when built
@@mylarmelodies Thanks for the reply. It probably IS stable, but it just looks... cheap. And wonky. Yeah, I'm a stickler for precisely machined parts, where there gaps are small and not uneven.
I'm German after all... 😋😁
Is it plastic or metal?
Skip to the end bit and I talk through it in more detail, but mainly plastic, then metal trims and bolts and strengthening rods
While it is a very cool concept, the price per HP for this case is much too expensive!
For example, if a person wants the most inexpensive case to start a system in, the Behringer Go Cases are the best value cost per HP. Currently a 140HP x 6U (2 rows of 140HP) costs $229. Out of all the cases I have researched, this is the most bang for the buck, (or per HP) that I have found. It comes with a power system that has a lot of power. The only Con is you have to plan how you lay out your modules because the systems total power is divided into 3 zones and you can't exceed that power in any one zone or it won't power up. Modular Grid is an excellent tool to help you plan this layout.
Yes this isn’t the cheapest way, nor is it billed as such. This is a far more flexible system than an off the shelf larger case and completely original - Behringer Go is a direct copy of the Tiptop Mantis (zoning system included), for me I would not choose to support that company but you must do whatever you feel is right. FYI the cheapest way would be to DIY a case - or to not bother at all and use VCV rack!
I disagree with one statement you made, that it's cheaper to DIY a case. I've been pricing the rails, distribution boards and power supplies and when you add up the cost of all these materials and the wood to make one, I wouldn't be able to make a 280HP system for less than $229. Nothing wrong with Behringer products. They are by far much cheaper than other companies and for me the less I spend on cases and some modules, the more I have to purchase other modules.
I just wish I could find a more balanced power supply for Eurorack. Most all the ones I have looked at so far have a very unbalanced set of outputs, like the popular Mean Well RT-125B for example.
It has plenty of current for the +12V Rated at 5Amps, but it falls short on the -12V at only 1Amp (Should be more like 3Amps), and they have a ridiculous +5V of 12Amps!!!
Most Eurorack modules don't even use +5V!
At most a +5V of 1 amp would be plenty.
Behringer products are cheaper because they have copied successful concepts and designs from other (much smaller) companies rather than inventing new ones from scratch. Fair enough if it doesn’t bother you but it sure bothers me.
But does it bleep?
Whack the arcade button enough, and yes!
I wish
I'm wondering how it looks once patched with these side mounts 🐙
Even more like a birds nest!
You must know a thing or two about Eurorack. Cv, being one of those things.
Eh. The side mounted module thing seems next to worthless, I think Frap Tools did the whole expandable case thing better but truthfully i’m not really into them in general. I do understand the point but if it’s gonna end up costing the same as or more than a decent, aesthetically pleasing case of the same or greater sized case while looking like an Ikea filebox it’s just not worth bothering with.
Yes if you can afford regular airline tickets then you can afford this wonderful system, but for a poor peasant like myself, this isn't even on my shopping list once I looked at the prices
There’s always cardboard and uZeuses! And VCV fo free
I have 0% modular gear. Still watched this entire video.
Get yourself a copy of VCV Rack if you haven’t already! It’s free!!
ah! made from the same stuff as lego... does this mean we need to be careful of stepping on them in the dark...? (great stuff though!)
Yep if you step on these they’ll take your leg off!
So there seams to be one issue. This dos not look very portable. Dose anyone here have a suggestion for a case that is nice to gig with?
FWIW I know Keith Fullerton Whitman uses these and travels with them - but yeah there are lots of briefcase style cases with that goal in mind - Intellijel, MDLR, Damaru spring to mind (I’ve owned the latter two)
"say you have an Octatrack"
Yeah. Say you do. Say YOU DO.
Now for a case that completely encircles it
I always thought the most ideal was having your gear in front of you, not around a corner.
Perhaps we can have both
@@mylarmelodies Sure. I'm not saying it doesn't have a right to exist, just saying that it doesn't seem practical at all.
Modular, practical? 😜 I suppose the alternative would have been to not include it - and it’s entirely optional in use!
Soon we will have cases with modules installed on the bottom! this is ridiculous. Build your own case and get what you want!
They want 240 euro just for the “juice” and a power brick, I guess I am far too frugal to ever be a hipster.
You can be the ultimate hipster and DIY a case
big no from me boss,
it's still more expensive all said and done than a HEK, MN104, or 4ms Pods, and for a small amount more you could have a Mantis, or a Palette - all of which are much more solid than this appears to be... also.... haven't we seen this before? Frap tools, tall dog, wasn't there another as well ?
A good case with reliable clean power is arguably the single most important aspect of a modular system and this looks like gimmicky plastic. I'm sure some folks will find joy in this but i think it's a bad choice for beginners who are still learning the format to start jamming modules in perpendicular to bus boards or routing power cables from corner to corner of a plastic case they've slapped together with flimsy looking components. 2/5
Not gonna be the best solution for everyone for sure, it's good there's a lot of choice these days - thanks for checking the vid out tho!
The one thing I wanted was to spend my money on Modules not cases.
Lucky there are cheaper alternatives - but think of it like buying a car then objecting to buying fuel. Can’t have one without the other.
"this case should not exist" says the chap who built one out of cardboard. ah, those were the pioneering days.
I dunno.. I think that case is giving me side-HP, did I annoy it?
👀
Illegal module placement 😂