Nah, the Boks are just poor losers who blame the ref when they lose. So noone really cares about their feelings as they have shown in the past that their supporters have less class then Aussie cricket supporters. Also this is a kiwi rugby show,it owes nothing to other viewers really
For what? They just lived off of All Blacks mistakes! They couldn't score when it was 15 on 15 and dropped ball in open play at the same rate as the All Blacks! Just trolling 😂 The All Blacks couldn't handle the pressure or the ball which caused cards and slowed the game down which suited the Boks. Great variation off the maul and playing to the ref. I'm just interested to see how things change after learning these lessons from this. No doubt these two should meet again!
Whats all this "14 men" & ref talk..He literally penalised the Boks for the exact same line out and maul infingement..only difference was the Boks actually listened and didn't repeat.The cards were all deserved so its the ABs fault they were undermanned for those portions of the game,and if they do it again,they should be carded accordingly.Its part of the game🤷🏾♂️
Sorry did you hear something I didn't? When did they say it wasn't there fault. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ITS GOING TO BE TOUGH ON ANY TEAM TO WIN A GAME WITH 13 OR 14 PKAYERS ON THE FIELD! Irrespective of it being you're fault. Ffs look if it makes you feel better... The Boks were incredible, no team can match their physicality they are virtually unbeatable.. that better cupcake?
What interpretation of the referee are they going on about? The referee made the right calls with the first 2 maul infringements. Mostert wasn't even on the ground when they started pushing and he ended up in the air. That's a penalty all day everyday.
Exactly, why are they wanting to win by getting away with a little bit more with the refs. All Blacks will not win this world cup as there are 3 teams that are ahead of them.
AB's playing in SH dont get exposed to much NH refereeing. Remember how we struggled in the URC. And with the bunker system also added, a team who played on the line like the AB's (lets call it as it is, over the line until getting caught) will have a hard time adapting in such a short time to the WC.
Also got to look at the SA action leading up to it. Eben was jumping over the center line which is illegal and coming down on the All Blacks..not all of them but there was enough done to create doubt in the refs eyes. You could see Sam Cane discussing that with him and he said he would look at it. Following that period the Books stopped doing it.
@@BAYBOY_85actually NZ were also closing the gap which also resulted in that happening so swing and roundabouts there. Still doesn’t mean they could drive in early which they clearly did.
Sothbafrica employed a squad system and bench to lessen workload on players, so no fatigue, less injuries , used before and during last world cup, you improve depth aswell, no other team employs this strategy , kudos to springboks. Rassie is very strategic
As a South African, we always get bashed on social media as whiners about refereeing cuttings etc. This is the second NZ show I’ve seen since that has gone to refereeing literally in the first few minutes of the show. The only thing that needs to be adjusted is playing within the laws of the game. If you counter the maul by driving while the jumper is in the air, it’s a penalty, that’s what the laws say. No interpretation needed there, just wait for the player to come down first.
This arse even condoned the Barrett tackle that he got sent off with! Technology has caught up with the AB with the Bunker system. Their cheating is finally coming to an end!
@@KiwiGraggle I’m pretty sure when boks complain about the ref these a reason What the all blacks fans are complaining about is the ref doing his job by penalising infringements correctly
Are you sure? Looks to me SAF only scored 1 try in the 33rd minute with 15 on 15. The rest came when NZL had 2 🟨🟨 but mostly when we had the 🟥 🇿🇦 try 18 mins, NZL 2 🟨🟨 🇿🇦 try 33 mins, 15 on 15 🇳🇿 🟥 38 mins score 14 - 0 🇿🇦 try 41 mins, 19 - 0 🇿🇦 try 58 mins, 26 - 0 🇿🇦 try 67 mins try, 33 - 0 🇳🇿 try 70th min 35 - 7
@@MeanAzz_13 I get your point, but it was the pressure from the Springboks that caused your cards. PSDT did exactly the same thing as Scott Barrett's first offence, and PSDT was only penalised, because SA were not on a team warning. It is every team's tactic early on to rather give away the three and save the seven, but Springboks simply kept plugging for the seven, forced so many infringements that two of your guys were in the sin bin, and the scored their first try while on yet another penalty advantage in the red zone. The red card did not cause Telea to knock the ball on in the lead up to Jordan's disallowed try, it did not cause all the other handling errors and it did not cause Jordie to pass the ball to Kurt Lee. There are many ways to skin a cat and this was one of them. Anaconda will kill you just as dead as a cobra and boy did SA squeeze on Saturday.
@@Karma-qt4ji but alas, you forget this was a W.C "warm up" game with *nothing on the line,* that was already taken care of 8 weeks earlier in the R.C that NZL had sewn up. And you are forgetting come all important knock out games of a W.C, Q.F, S.F and *FINAL* teams are more likely to take all points on offer, *especially penalty kicks,* so I doubt we'll see teams wanting to plug the corners and bash away come knock out time, is my bet.
1. MAULS are killing rugby😂 = They are stronger than us up front! 2. The game was too slow😂 = We were holding players long after the ball was gone, We had the longest injury where we never removed our "Stabbed!" prop Lomax, Plus you had to review all our card fouls. 3. They picked 7 forwards! 😂 = They are "Abusing their Bench", we don't have the depth to do bomb squads too, so we must stop them from properly pasting us like that with theirs. Shriek for World Rugby 4. Nobody likes stop start rugby😂 = Springboks are responsible for our injuries, cards and pressurized us into countless fumbles & knock on's, they spoil our champagne rugby game 5. The TMOs are too involved 😂 = Sorting out all our on the edge cheating, holding of players is a massive job & we expect officials to let us get away with most of it, these ones actually wanted to penalize us for everything. Bonus list 1. NH ref Interpretations that only effected one SH team, 2. Cross Jumping in Lineouts according to Coach [Ian Foster & Sam Cane], 3. Jet Lag [Eddie Jones], 4. Dan Coles 'we didn't take it seriously enough', 5. Yellow Cards by the Ref, I mean he just kept carding us 6. Game took too long to play for game time - Jeff Wilson. 7. Too many penalties, pedantic officiating 8. Boks Played to the ref better, assuming we actually played at all. 9. Boks used to only play shit Box kick rugby and we shamed them for it and wanted the rules changed, now they went and CHANGED how they play with out providing us with 30 days written notice. [even though stats' showed we kicked more] 10. Boks now only play shit 'kick for the corner' try scoring rugby and its soo boring, we need the rules changed again. 11. "It was our doing, its not as if we were blown off the park" - Thompson exhooker clown - Apart from you creaking from immense pressure and being blown off the park, from Scrum to Line out to passes picked off for tries etc.. 12. We Hate that Rassie, he has us guessing and plays to forward dominance strength & went 7 - 1, its like it is cheating & unfair to have developed 2 equally strong packs, utter bullshit shouldn't be aloud, like when he went waterboy, it should be in the rules you cant do it, he is such a dangerous maverick, we should have him removed. Keep 'em coming boys, we would like the full list. Can you drop a few more for why your scrum went in reverse every time and why on 4 of them the pen's weren't given, ref just gave up pinging you for collapsed & popping scrums, what about the secret weapon 140kg baby Hippo? Also remember a 7 - 1 split is clearly cheating, I mean Boks changed all their forward pack accept for PSDT outrageous, imagine we did that assuming we had that level of depth to even start a half decent first front row that wouldn't collapse, in the first instance. This must should be stopped, must talk to world rugby, I mean too many sub's, and and and.. WLR was fine, how can they do that, he wasn't sick, we want a sick note signed by the British Medical Journal in triplicate, more on this one. I am putting the full binder together for this one. Rassie Brain Stomped Foster into a battle on his own terms with 2x Fresh Packs, which NZ can't match - Their pack was bullied non-stop, then we sent a fresh bunch on to continue the same, they got frustrated & infringed like fuck, were finally penalized for it and lost badly. End of story, just like when Boks lost 56 - 0 - SA fans said my god we are shit & how good were the All Blacks. Not NH Ref. Doing my Doctorate on denial & mental disorders
I managed 5 minutes of the breakdown and turned it off in disgust. Those muppets were arguing that barret deserved no card whatsoever despite in their words "charging recklessly into the maul" because he didn't make head contact. By their logic you could shoulder charge prone players in their lumbar spine area without sanction... The problem is that law 9 defines a charge as a foul as follows. Law 9: Foul play A player must not charge into a ruck or maul. Charging includes any contact made without binding onto another player in the ruck or maul. It is foul play whether it makes head contact or not. Absolute muppets. Read the rules before spouting garbage.
Anytime you have a journalist on a rugby show then you know it's bought and paid for. The breakdown actually tried to deflect the cards. Absolute joke on how they tried to spin it. I mean Stalin would be proud of this kind of propaganda
All blacks have for the last 30 years got away with cheating and foul play ! Not any longer you will have to change your game if you want to compete with South Africa
@@ChangusMaximus Marx was nowhere near the ball. It was coming out anyways. Taking cheap shots on players on the ground seems to be a past time for barret
South Africans just love to "make a plan" and do things differently and innovate...we're forced to do that in our every day lives so sport just an extension. The 7-1 was great to see but don't think the Boks will do it again unless injuries force them. NZ will be be back quickly, will be rooting for them against FRA. I'm less optimistic about ENG and AUS bouncing back, their problems seem more deep rooted and will take longer to figure out.
Yeah, such amazing innovators that your country is in chaos, you have mass homeless issues, race issues and most of you seem to want to come to the UK?. Is that because you plan and do things differently and innovate, because you are forced to do that in your "every day" lives is it, so it is an extension?, lol. Shhhh.
the cards weren't pedantic, it was the bunker TMo interjecting on EVERYTHING - a game that lasts 117 minutes and has 33 minutes of actual play, is a sh**t game
The Foul Player Review Bunker is an additional TMO (Television Match Official), that is dedicated to reviewing and deciding when an incident is referred to them - World Rugby refer to these officials as the Foul Play Review Officer (FPRO). Unlike a regular TMO, the FPRO can only comment and deal with incidents that are referred to them. They cannot highlight another act of foul play or, for instance, a knock-on, offside etc. @@nzfreeski
Bok supporters (I am one myself). Lets be gracious in victory boys. Great result for us, but no need to gloat. Not a good look for us or anyone. ABs are too good to not learn from this. 🙂
@quinmighty don't go blaming the ref if you guys don't make it to the final then mate 😅 for the record, I don't blame the ref, I blame the Boks for being relentless and learning their lessons from the championship and Kolisi having an amazing influence on his team. Nothing but congrats to SA!
They wont be, they are South Africans, they are f-ing aholes. When NZ next beat you guys and they will, I will return that and see how you J Cakes like it. I use to have admiration for SA rugby, not anymore, nasty people. Now I know why the British dont like you, 100% understand why now.
@@johanesterhuizen1842I didn’t hear any ref bashing. There was no calling the ref incompetent, and never did they say that was the reason they lost. But if your honest and looking at things objectively, the way the game is reffed in the southern hemisphere is a lot different from how it’s done in the north. All that these guys are saying is that All Blacks have to adjust if they want more success. The inability to adjust is not the reason we lost, we lost because South Africa outplayed us, but it is still a factor in our own performance and something that has to be addressed
@@JMz685but the ABs were constantly making infringements. They were even cheating and offside at almost every line out. The ref also took ages to give the ABs the first yellow. They were also purposely collapsing the scrum which the AR never gave penalties for. Abs were lucky not get more yellow cards. Southern hemisphere or not, learn to play by the rules and maybe you’ll have 15 players on the field.
Shame ABs blaming NH refs. Ref not allowing you to cheat and be cynical like you did in Auckland? Shame. The ref was honest. Now the Breakdown panel are now blaming the rules of rugby, saying the rules need to change😂. "We need the rules to be changed so that it suits hiw we want to play"😂 . Hold that!!! Bow down to the World Champions!!!
There was no cheating in Auckland. And there was none in England. Both times the other team outplayed the other. 35-7 to SA wasn’t cheating, 35-20 to NZ wasn’t cheating. What about 57-0 to NZ, was that cheating or how about 57-15 to NZ in South Africa was that cheating too? Cmon now.
@@JMz685Salty kiwi I see. Bringing up games in 2017. Lol its so funny every kiwi fan had this silent confidence because they were doing "well" and the boks came and shat all over that. Now you're all mad cause you got your biggest ever defeat in your ENTIRE HISTORY on the eve of a wc where you guys thought you mighy win it. Salty salty salty😂😂😂😂
As a SA supporter I love how New Zealand supporters blame the ref as it implies that they are not doing an analysis of how bad they were against the Springboks 😅
@@_Just_B yes rassie made an hour video on how bad a ref was with 26 errors he made All Blacks fans are complaining about the ref penalising them for infringements correctly I don’t know about you but there’s a massive difference in that
Gentlemen I commend you on an excellent unbiased review of the ABs game. Excellent points. No sensationalism like The Breakdown. Maybe Sky NZ felt they needed to go that route for ratings, but glad we did not see it here. Cut out mistakes, read the ref, and move on.
@@carlomacdropping your shoulder onto a grounded player says otherwise... his red card for a cheap shot shoulder to the face 4 years ago says otherwise. As to OP etzebeth has 2 yellows only in over 100 tests. Barret has two reds in less than 50
@@carlomacthen you're in denial . Scott b is an old repeat offender , under pressure he reverts to old ways ... like an old addict , that falls off the bus !😢
@@michaelkeegan9260 2 red cards in ‘50’ tests? You’re clutching at straws I’m afraid. Also there is no ban for Barrett, so I’m not the only one that thinks you’re wrong. He hit Marx in the shoulder, Marx then cries to the ref holding his shoulder, honestly I never thought Marx was such a whinging player. Clear tactics there to milk penalties there from Marx, and he got away with it.
@@carlomac go read his stats... 62 matches, two reds, and some yellows. His record is worse than every single bok in the squad. A cheap shot is a cheap shot. The definition of a charge at ruck time any contact without attempting to bind. He did not attempt to bind. Definitionally a foul as per rule 9.20.a. sanction is penalty but recklessness compounds the foul act a d can be sanctioned with a yellow. Yellow was the correct call, coupled with his cynical clean out of faf to kill momentum for his first yellow that makes red. The individual offense didn't make red but he has one on his record now and it's his own foul play that earned it.
Guys, lets just be honest. The All Blacks had the rub of the green for years. You never hear NZ pundits complain. In the post shows they chat about the rugby that was played. This game they got caught out. It was a great game of rugby. NZ got annihilated and all they can talk about is the ref as they refuse to accept how good the Boks is. What people don't understand, that this Bok team you see now, is a plan which was created in 2018 for 2023. All you see now is some genius planning, lots of depth and combinations. After SA lost 2020 due to Covid and then the Lions Series, they simply used all the other games to build on their plan for 2023.
You can’t prove that ABs cheat as you insist or that refs don’t ref them the same. If anything, they get more closely scrutinised and reffed because they are held to a higher standard. We have been good because we have the skill and talent for it.
And plus you talk about a few comments and pundits to determine how NZ is reacting to this loss. SA do the same thing everytime the All Blacks beat South Africa, blame the ref and try to make it some conspiracy, TASAnalytics is a perfect example of what I’m saying
I'm not blaming the ref, but complaining about NZ having an issue with the reffing needs to be entertained because while we had the rub of the green for a decade, every match was the refs fault in Boks eyes if the Boks lost 😅
@@jackb4837 Which was proven with indisputable video footage. Happened again when the officials handed victory to both Ireland and France against the Boks earlier this year. World Rugby admitted the blunders afterwards and apologised OFFICIALLY.
That was a chesp shot by Barrett. Also the bunker and TMO are two separate entities. The bunker is only for foul play incidents if referred bt the Referee. TMO spots foul play, alerts Ref, Ref deems it serious enough for a yellow card then refers it to Bunker to see if it meets red card threshold. Easy for the rest of the world, not so much for our Kiwi friends.
But what will really annoy you even more, is he will be playing against France and I fancy NZ against France. This 35-7 blip, is just that, a blip. You actually gave NZ more teeth, do you not see that, lol?.
7 - 1 split is dangerous and could have backfired. Boks took a tactical chance and it worked. Remember the Boks backs Willemse, Moodie, Reinach, Faf can all play multiple backline positions. Qwagga can definitely play Centre or cover Wing. People should be praising the Bok Management for the tactic.
Aaaand rugby's interesting again all of a sudden. The ABs seem like they're a bit of a shambles going in to this but on the other hand, the pressure is entirely off and they're going in to this as underdogs for once. I've struggled to follow rugby in recent years for a number of reasons, but this season's been incredible and is lining up for a great world cup.
Am I missing something here??? What's happening with all the NZ pundits??? All I hear everywhere is "The refs"??? Why are you lot so in denial??? SA placed the AB's under immense pressure which they not used to and they cracked under it and didn't know how to deal with it!! Nothing else! 1st half stats must surely say that the Boks dominated them and that's where the damage was done. 2nd half even things a bit, but still guys, just give credit where credit is due without looking for excuses!!
It’s got nothing to do with not giving credit. They are trying to analyse what went wrong in the All Blacks performance. South Africa deserved to win and probably would’ve won regardless of the ref but the All Blacks inability to follow the ref was a MAJOR factor in the All Blacks bad performance but the pressure from SA was a the BIGGEST factor. No one was beating SA that day, they were on another level.
@@wayneaye3700yes he would be a good replacement but he is also an exceptional 8. I have nothing personal against cane it’s just when i compare him to his peers around at the moment he doesnt stand out. Remember they have been blessed with McCaw, Jones, Mourie etc
@@otagogold2236 that may well be the case I’m just responding to the comment do the AB’s need to adjust their WC squad? Just pointing out an important position that the AB’s need to fill with an above average player.
Boks dominated the All Blacks, I did not hear them once acknowledge that. Instead it's the ref, the stats are similar. It's ludacris. Boks outplayed the All Blacks plain and simply. Boks set piece in the front is head and shoulders above the rest and if this continues they will successfully defend the trophy.
@@sizwe1131they dominated 14 which is true. But you're acting like their forward pack had a resounding tactical victory at set piece, when a month ago they couldn't break through.
@@nprwikeepa6082 at Mt Smart re-watch the game. Boks were beaten in the 1st half. Second half the guys were able to come back and make it a contest and scored more points. In this game boks beat these guys for the full 80 minutes and the All Blacks had no answers. It wasn't even a contest.
I've never understood rieko at 13. People want to be wingers. Less job and all the praise and he's got what it takes yet he went the other way around. He looked like he doesn't like to work hard for 13 and tbh he played like that for awhile (maybe because he was trying to adapt). But in last few games he was playing like a really good centre and made me convinced
I agree.. Finally someone pointed it out. He got alot of unnecessary Flack for transitioning into a 13. Look at Maa it took him a while to adapt into that centre and inside centre role with the ABs. Rieko can only get better at centre
Thanks gentlemen, high point of the week, and I sure needed it after that massive boot in the bum from the Bokke, this is going to be an epic World Cup.
I find the confidence in the AB's very strange. In the last thirteen months the AB's have lost a test series at home when they were leading 1-0, lost three games in a row at home, had a run where they lost four out of five games, gave up a 19 point lead against England in the last ten or so minutes, and took a record score from the Springboks. Still they think the interpretation of the ref is the only thing to be concerned about. Their set-piece struggled, thier handling was awful. On the handling, the AB's handling has been average for a while now. Even when they beat the Springboks at Ellispark their handling was shocking. I am amazed that nobody picks up on this. The biggest difference between the Auckland test and Twickenham test was the fact that the Springboks placed AB's kickers under much more pressure. The Ab's kicking game was far less accurate. In the Auckland test the AB's build much of their pressure through their kicking game and that didn't happen Friday.
Preparation time was from the day after the Springboks won the RWC in 2019. Springboks captain in an interview said that they cannot play like 2019 as they will lose the RWC. They have prepared well as they really want to defend the RWC.
The fact that none of the NZ rugby pundits can't acknowledge that the All Blacks were simply outplayed by the Boks is simply ludacris. The Boks are the team that are peaking at the right time. They dominated Wales the week before and dominated the All Blacks 1st team. The boks is head and shoulders above the All Blacks right now. Just deal with it and pray you don't meet the Boks in the quarters.
All of the pundits that I have seen have commended the Springboks. However, they are always going to look at things from a nz perspective. They will naturally be thinking of what went wrong, and what can be fixed. The springboks were great against Wales although they were missing some key players. We also were playing with 14 men for a lot of that match so the result was almost given at that point. Springboks looking very strong at this point.
@@carlomacGames have been a lot more interesting between these two sides since 2018. Much more of a rivalry than from 1996 to 2017. Pretty much one sided over that period. Since then, every game is not a foregone conclusion. We beat you, you come back and beat us, you thrash us, we thrash you. The nerves, the excitement, frustration. Fantastic.
The collective voice of the NZ punditry saying Scott Barrett’s hit wasn’t an absolute cheap shot is baffling to me. If this exact hit had happened to Richie McCaw, you know the dialog would be the exact opposite. Scott hit a guy in the head and neck area, as he rolled away from the ball on the ground, couldn’t have played the ball without giving away a penalty and wasn’t even looking like he was going to try. Came from the side, went off his feet, definitionally a cheap shot, it’s absolutely a yellow card, and it’s super stupid knowing you already had 1 yellow card.
When you lose the collisions you lose the breakdown battle. When you lose the breakdown you are under pressure. When you are under pressure you give away penalties. When you give away multiple penalties you get cards. Discipline issues are a result of pressure from losing the breakdown.
If you pile on the pressure, the opponent will make mistakes. The AB's were put under the pump very early in this contest, and they cracked. I loved the intensity from the Boks. Blame it on mistakes, blame on refs but if you're put under pressure you will concede penalties, subsequently cards. It makes more sense to give credit to the team that was clearly dominant here boys.. Southern hemisphere rugby for the win.🇿🇦
The manner of the loss was disappointing. Traditionally this level of meltdown has happened in finals type footy, so im happy to see it here and not against France or SA in a quarter final. Look at rhe last 4 games against SA, they pumped us last year, then we beat them at home. We beat them at home and smoke them and then they smoke us at a neutral venue. Rugby is a fickle sport and at this level 1% off ends up in a 57-0 loss 😂
Actually NZ beat them in SA in 2022. The media forget this with NZ, especially NH. They just despise us mate, haha, honestly, British in specific, cannot stand us and the South Africans dont really have any respect for All-Blacks, that is shown everytime we lose to them. They are vicious, nasty, animals who NZ will beat again and when they do, I will be vicious and nasty, just like they are. I would normally not, but I will against SA, next time NZ mash them. See how they like it. Aholes.
If theres one thing ive learnt in the past few days, it's that kiwi commentators are not gracious in defeat. Give credit where credit is due, and stop blaming the 'interpretations' of the ref.
But surely these ref interpretations should have been covered prior to the game starting. They knew who the ref was going to be. Hindsight is fine but you're down one game and a record score.
That’s what I’m thinking too. I’ll be very surprised if whatever analyst in charge of analysing the ref didn’t get an absolute bollocking in the review. There’s no excuse now for not knowing how a ref officiates the game, especially at international level.
Do you think Whitelock isn't given the freedom to talk to and inspire the lads on and off the field? I don't see how putting a (c) next to his name changes his role.
@@Dilmahkana technically you’re correct, but in reality the captain has to lead and inspire the team, they are obviously the person who people look up to, this isn’t happening with Cane. If Whitelock started steadying the troops and calling the shots I could see this as causing an issue. You don’t really want more than one player doing that. Not saying I wouldn’t want to see that, as it would be more obvious to people.
@@Dilmahkana yea I never said he had to inspire the public. I’m just saying that as an observer the team look lost on the field and are not galvanised especially when put under pressure. This to me is obvious to see. Thats a leadership issue. Especially when you compare with how Whitelock steadies the team under pressure. I’d like to see Cane just trying to be the best number 7 he can be and focus on that.
All Blacks were pressured into mistakes and deliberate tactics to stop a try. AB’s have been doing it for years. Ref was on top of his game and caught them. Safa’s pressure caused the AB’s to produce what looked like a bad game.
I agree with my African brothers. I’m a kiwi who accepts it’s time to eat humble pie. We got smashed & outplayed in all facets of the game. Accept that fact fellow kiwis. Don’t point the finger at the referees, the bunker or even fozzie The All Blacks where given a pasting by the springboks. That’s what happened. Let’s give credit to them as they are and always will be a mighty rugby nation
If the AB's didn't concede panalties, they were going to concede tries. They knew this, there's no descipline issue here. Hopefully, they'll handle the heat much better against France
This might be a shock, but both teams had a northern hemisphere ref. One team played in the rules, the other didn't. I think the URC has helped the SAs learn how to play to the ref, this will only be a good teachable moment for the all blacks. Also, Barrat hitting Marx who was on the ground, not actually attached to the maul, was a pure frustration shot, let's not pretend that is not the case. All things considered. Easy fix, all blacks will bounce back hard, luckily it will be vs France first.
Yeah nah totally agree with this over exuberated bunch of kiwis. The abs dominated the boks in evey stat (except the one that counts the points - thats not important). What is important is it was just the ref that needed to be adapted to. They didnt really drop the ball cause of pressure or anything, must have been trying to adapt to the ref. Yea well done kiwis on your magnificent display of dominance 👍. Hope you can keep replicating that so you can get an early knock off from the world cup and can go watch the finals in the comfort of your own lounge with a nice cold one for all your hard work and dominating displays.
What did the ref do this time that has the ABs crying 😢? The flip side of the coin is that refs are less and less intimidated by "the best rugby team in the world'. Sometimes the ABs are, but other teams share that podium too and that nr 1 position on the podium. Currently 'the best team in the world' is 4th. Truth is, you were played off your feet and had no answers, because your players were not allowed to break the rules. It should become the norm, when an AB break the laws and illigaly slow the game in any way, the cappy should be send off too. Stop crying and be the men the world expect you to be. That said, good luck with the world cup to you guys and all the other teams and may the best team during the competition win!!🎉🎉
I disagree on the line out review, the AB definitely deserved the card because their line out was terrible at one point RG Snyman was on top of a AB because they came so early into the lineout, so the AB really need to work on their Line out timing, they did the same thing when they played at Smart but that ref did not call it out
As an AB’s supporter it’s disappointing these guys aren’t giving the boks credit where it is due. One thing I haven’t really heard anyone say is how South Africa’s kicking game was superior to ours and the way they played for territory putting constant pressure on us. I couldn’t get why the AB’s couldn’t adapt their kicking game and kick us out of trouble. Rassie is a much more astute tactician than Fozzy as well and he had the perfect game plan to nullify NZ. I’m sure the Blacks will learn from it and if we meet in the WC I’m sure things won’t be the same.
I think that game vs the Boks helped the ABs more than the Boks. ABs will have a reset on their discipline. The Boks however for a team with 15 forwards were found gasping in the second half. The rugbypass interview with Luke Thompson is more relevant than ever. If you can keep ball in play 40+ mins and not let the Boks take a knee then the Boks are out of shape.
I think the Boks helped the ABs, every other serious competitor to the ABs and Springboks too. Starve them of possession, cut down their space when they do have possession and then pounce on their mistakes when they crumble under the pressure. AB now know they need a plan B for this. Springboks showed their own hands. Everyone wins.
@@4Q_4Q2 I don’t think they need a plan B, just need to keep discipline and adjust to the refs around their breakdown and set piece ruling. Boks for their dominant win may end up with a false sense of security.
@@KallousKiwi I believe this to be true what you say Kallous. The media bandwagon on this game in the NH is horrific. They completely forgot that NZ did SA in the RC by 35 points, and won the RC. All it does is it is going to make NZ vicious in this WC. I am not concerned about France, that is not underestimating them, but I just think NZ will beat them. As for the RWC, no I do not think NZ will win it, but it is 2027 that is the one I have the eye on and any other Kiwi will be thinking the same. You can almost say it will be an Australia Vs New Zealand final now in fact.
@@KallousKiwiListening to the coaching staff and Kolisi, I think the Boks are very aware that they need to improve in certain areas. They've realised for some time that they need to be able to finish off better. They missed 8 scoring opportunities, 2 of which were over the NZ try line held up. Nienaber recons you may only get 4 or 5 such opportunities in a WC game so Boks must learn to convert these opportunities into points. A bit like the Samoa game, how many chances did they throw away in the end, all they needed was 1 try to win.
@@KallousKiwi Lack of discipline comes from the pressure of a game plan not working. Saw that in Mt Smart when the Boks were under pressure, giving away penalties as a result. If the Boks haven't learnt by now not to fall victim to having a false sense of security, after a dominant performance, then they will deserve the outcome of future matches. One could make the argument that maybe the ABs fell victim to that after their last dominant performance over the Boks.
its not the ref, its nz training to do illegal things like lineouts. grabbing opposite players while jumper is in air, standing offside while jumper is in air. they have done that in championship and didnt get penalized for it. They did it basically in all the lineouts of that game. How many penalties is that? Like 10 or more. At least this ref dont have his head up his arse and penalized nz justly.
We kicked the ball away too many times in the red zone. Reckon we didn't want to give too much away in terms of set piece backline play. I also saw Aaron Smith hoist the ball to the rafters in our 22. Don't think most teams that played this past weekend wanted to give anything away.
from an english perspective if henry arundell isn't made use of with ball in hand this WC it'll be a major disappointment. resembles jason robinson for pace and sidesteps, low centre of gravity etc. havent seen enough of him with england yet - just give him a run in the team stevo!
Looking at the footage, the ABs clearly hit the jumper before he landed (more than once), I do not see how this has anything to do with ref interpretation; it's black and white, either the player is in the air or his feet have landed - they were rightfully penalised by the letter of the law.
So the ABs in the SA game didn’t adapt to the northern hemisphere referee enough in the first half? Are the rules different in the northern hemisphere to the southern hemisphere? It had nothing to do with “interpretation”, what a load of bollocks! The ABs were penalized 14 times , 9 in the first half, and these penalties were apparently, and according to the comments here, conceded because if interpretation??? I don’t believe you should play rugby if you can’t “interpret” the BASIC RULES! One of the rules is that players in the lineout must be 1m apart. I guess one meter is an interpretation because they were pinged 5 times for that. Another is that you cannot play an opposing player in a lineout by driving in early, which they also did constantly. They collapsed scrums, a few they even got away with. This is NOT interpretation these are basic rules, and not abiding by them is not interpreting them incorrectly but breaking the laws with a penalizable offense. But thank you for your advice, the next time I end up in court for going through a red traphic light, I’ll just tell the judge that my interpretation of the law is that I’m allowed to! What is even more ridiculous about this comment is that they do interpret the laws correctly, but in most cases they will break the laws as a tactic in order to counteract the strengths of the opposition. Sometimes they get away with it, sometimes not, but they are not stupid, they are clever, using it as a tactic!
I was at the All Blacks v South Africa game in Twickenham and there was definitely a feeling of helplessness and inevitability when the Boks continued to dominate throughout. I watched it again at home (to add to the torture) and noticed that there is definitely hope if the all blacks can make a few tweaks. It sounds ridiculous as we were totally smashed on Friday. However Timing in the line outs - Eben was catching and holding mostert and mostert was pushing back. The all blacks need to wait half a second before the hit. Timing at the scrums and binding issues. Decision to offload or hold. Decision to kick earlier. Fine lines in the game led to huge pressure, panic, penalties and poor performance. Fix these things Change the momentum and change the outcome.
I nearly fell off my chair when the first comment on the game was again the ''reff'', especially after watching all the excuses from The Breakdown...not what I expected tbh.
When you loose the game 35-7 and you guys make a comment you won the game on the stats front....ultimate denial. Boks center pairing never played test rugby together yet destroyed ABs midfield, don't see relevant of missing forward contributed to that.
Oh these bloody northern hemisphere refs 😂😂😂. Im wallabys fan and love the all blacks and south africa. But cmon, the all blacks got thumped by south africa. I think the all blacks will come back better like they always do and do well in the world cup, but fuck watching these nz media videos is just hilarious. I agree these refs are fucked. For example; a team to go multiple phases, get a try and have it awarded to them on field, but then have a tmo to call a penalty 5 phases before the try and call it back for a no try is just ridiculous. I think the yellow cards are mostly legitimate but when they bring out red cards for minor offenses,( especially in the first half), is rediculous as well.
The All blacks where disallowed two tries and down one man, and gave inexperienced players some time on the field, it's a bit of an overreaction! SA wanted the All blacks, after the last game and they had their full strength pack on the field to prove a point.
“Two” tries? The ABs were only disallowed one try. Moodie’s try was also disallowed, not to mention the three Springbok tries that were held up. It could have been a hell of a lot worse for the ABs.
No one talks about the tactic the Boks used to keep the pressure! In the past the Boks would exert pressure on the All Blacks and the ABs would give away a penalty- usually converted and the Boks would come away with 3pts and the ABs would be able to start again!this could happen a couple of times and at best Boks could be 6 or 9 pts ahead- but ABs would score and it’s 7pts! This time the Boks didn’t give them that out- and the rest is history- will be interesting to see if this will be a tactic going forward- keep the pressure and go for the try’s!
We messed you up 😂Frans Malherbe feasted on Ethan de groot. The poor boy looked beaten up. Thank you Bryn for acknowledging that we played with good variation.
So, the loss is blamed on the ref by these pundits. And they say WE whinge about the ref...hahaha. AB's were outscrummed...beat in the line-outs and couldn't handle the pressure. Own up and fix it.
The whole blame Foster thing is gone now for me I think. This coaching setup has shown that they have given this team a winning game plan. For me the blame now is squarely laid at the feet of the players and the leadership group in particular. The fact that this is the most experienced ever ABs squad and the leadership group couldn’t come up with solutions on the field is the most worrying thing for me. The fact that we couldn’t come up with a single way to get into that game with the players that we have is just ridiculous. I’m a supporter of Sam Cane but he didn’t get a pass mark this game, after repeated similar infringements a captain should be able to rally his troops and sort that out on the field, then come together with the leadership group and find solutions. Aside from that we showed a lot of heart on defence, our mail defence was strong again in that first half.
Dont agree. Moody and to a lesser degree Blackadder should both of been selected in this team. The fact Foster didnt select our most experienced tighthead is crazy. That comes back on the selection panel and foster. Every game we are loosing its because we are getting smashed up front. There are too many young props in this team.
Moody is not injured he's playing may be a loose head but he still the most experienced prope we've got. He should of been there behind lomax and de groot either way. And blackadder should be just about back playing now. @@kainoizking
Agree with most of what you said especially on the defence and poor captaincy/leadership however disagree on the maul defence. Conceding several penalties, one direct maul try and two tries from variations off the maul indicates that the maul defence was pretty dismal.
I am a Bok fan and all things considered, it was a shellacking of NZ. But I also see this as an abberration and nothing more. Besides, the AB's are not in the habit of panicking and neither should they.
An aberration? we've had plenty of those in the last 4 yrs - v Ire/Arg/SA/Fra.... well,you get the picture. And the common denominator - Foster.Thank Christ we'll see the back of him in about 5 game's time.
Question for the my AB friends… why do all the NZ pundits talk around Scott’s clear out as if it wasn’t a clear out of a prone player off the feet with the shoulder when the ball was available? Am I missing something?
No. We want to hurt you. It’s a common thing with many big forwards in many teams. It’s also the reason changes in the rules to stamp out physical risks are having such an impact on game. “Clean out” is just a euphemism for playing the man, not the ball. Probably started getting more obvious when they changed the rules to discourage rucking. See you in the knock out rounds.😊
The non selection of Samipeni Finau is looking like a mistake . His size ,power and speed would be a great help against teams like South Africa and France. The loose forwards that played against South Africa are all fine players individually but as a group they lacked the size to combat the South Africans
Copy that. Frizzel was missed. Pity a big body like Akira hasn't made the mental adjustment require for international rugby. He would be the perfect eight
Parsons is way off on his analyse of why the ref was penalisng NZ for driving early at lineouts. He wasn't blowing you for "interfering before" as you say by putting an arm out and touching a player in the air. He was blowing you because your entire pack starts driving before the SA jumper has come back down to ground. You did it the whole game at Mt Smart and everyone in SA was screaming at the TV for the ref to call it, but he let you get away with it. Now you get a ref actually applying the law and suddenly he's "interpreting" it differently. No - you cannot drive into a jumper while he is still in the air. Your maul defense timing was off. Look at the replay you show above - Mostert doesn't even get back to ground and you guys are driving in. You got well beaten, own it for a change you whingers.
What? The south Africans were jumping across which throws off timing for the engagement. We failed to adjust to this style of reffing which was the point. The ref penalized us correctly for not engaging at the right time. They also would have penalized SA for jumping across in the super rugby. Learnings.
@@Tom_McMurtry Absolute bull*hit mate, SA were not "jumping across". You do realize that the hooker has to throw the ball down jr middle right? So to catch it, by definition, you have to lean across into the middle...The reason you know that us "jumping across" didn't happen, other han having eyes in your head, is that you were penalized for driving early...us jumping across has no bearing on that. Your players have eyes, they drive in once our player hits the ground, as on once they see him hit the ground...doesn't matter where he lands.
@@Tom_McMurtry exactly. Go watch the game...we didn't jump across, you just drove early the same way you did the entire game at Mt Smart...just got called on it this time.
@@dcs4880 didn't drive early at Mt smart for the most part. You did junp across post catching the ball or with catching the ball. We did drive early this game multiple times in a row.
If we don't win this world cup I think we should play every game with 13 men so when we get to the next world cup we will be ready for having a few men in the bin
Come on Gentlemen - always start with “take nothing away from the Boks, all credit to them” and then follow up with the analysis. Sounded like a lot of excuses right from the start of the show
It was just a warm up game and RWC warm up games have never never been an indicator of form at the RWC for any team let alone the Six Nations or The a Rugby Championship in RWC years. The All Blacks had bad losses in 2011 and 2015 just before the RWC and then went on the win peaking during the knockouts.
One scrum penalty in the first 2 minutes lost the game for NZ. After that they were pinned in their own 22 for 20 minutes and conceded 9 penalties, including 2 yellow cards. They would have been better off just giving up a try and then resetting back down SA's end. That would have changed the game.
Interpret the refs - BS - the ABs were offside every line out in the 1st 20 mins (read the rules - poor coaching if you do not know you are pushing the limits !) and you can not jump on the back of the jumper (same everywhere) - ABs did not have a plan B (leadership issues) to fall back on and continued to infringed - the bokke just took advantage of the situation (better leadership) - simple
By the end of this world cup it will be confirmed the days of the small fetcher at 7 will be over. Because we have a small number 8 and small open side it puts a lot pressure on our number 6. This is why we should of picked Finau.He is 6ft 5 and 18 stone. We really missed Frizell against the Springboks. In today game all your loose forwards need to big and physical.
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It seems the hardest thing to do in world rugby is give the Springboks some credit.
Nah, the Boks are just poor losers who blame the ref when they lose. So noone really cares about their feelings as they have shown in the past that their supporters have less class then Aussie cricket supporters. Also this is a kiwi rugby show,it owes nothing to other viewers really
For what? They just lived off of All Blacks mistakes! They couldn't score when it was 15 on 15 and dropped ball in open play at the same rate as the All Blacks!
Just trolling 😂
The All Blacks couldn't handle the pressure or the ball which caused cards and slowed the game down which suited the Boks. Great variation off the maul and playing to the ref.
I'm just interested to see how things change after learning these lessons from this. No doubt these two should meet again!
I think first try the ABs had 13 players on the park. Second try 15 on park . 3rd try 14 on park .
Fuck all I've seen is comments blowing hot air up their arses. If you dont have 15 players against any of the top sides you are guaranteed to lose.
So when the ABs win the Boks don't make mistakes? That's how wins happen the other side has to be making mistakes 😂😂
Whats all this "14 men" & ref talk..He literally penalised the Boks for the exact same line out and maul infingement..only difference was the Boks actually listened and didn't repeat.The cards were all deserved so its the ABs fault they were undermanned for those portions of the game,and if they do it again,they should be carded accordingly.Its part of the game🤷🏾♂️
Indeed, we Boks were blown for the same infringements later on!
They said adapting to the ref, by your assessment the box adapted to the ref, agreeing with the point raised in this show.
They don't want to accept reality always excuses this all blacks side is overrated nowhere near boks level
didn't the All Blacks also smacked the Boks a few weeks ago?
@@avelamasuku660
Sorry did you hear something I didn't? When did they say it wasn't there fault. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ITS GOING TO BE TOUGH ON ANY TEAM TO WIN A GAME WITH 13 OR 14 PKAYERS ON THE FIELD! Irrespective of it being you're fault. Ffs look if it makes you feel better... The Boks were incredible, no team can match their physicality they are virtually unbeatable.. that better cupcake?
What interpretation of the referee are they going on about? The referee made the right calls with the first 2 maul infringements. Mostert wasn't even on the ground when they started pushing and he ended up in the air. That's a penalty all day everyday.
Exactly, why are they wanting to win by getting away with a little bit more with the refs. All Blacks will not win this world cup as there are 3 teams that are ahead of them.
Indeed. They have been cheating in the line-outs for a long time and this ref was having none of it.
AB's playing in SH dont get exposed to much NH refereeing. Remember how we struggled in the URC.
And with the bunker system also added, a team who played on the line like the AB's (lets call it as it is, over the line until getting caught) will have a hard time adapting in such a short time to the WC.
Also got to look at the SA action leading up to it. Eben was jumping over the center line which is illegal and coming down on the All Blacks..not all of them but there was enough done to create doubt in the refs eyes. You could see Sam Cane discussing that with him and he said he would look at it. Following that period the Books stopped doing it.
@@BAYBOY_85actually NZ were also closing the gap which also resulted in that happening so swing and roundabouts there. Still doesn’t mean they could drive in early which they clearly did.
Just bear in mind the boks were also down to 14 men, for ten minutes, and AB's never scored then
Sothbafrica employed a squad system and bench to lessen workload on players, so no fatigue, less injuries , used before and during last world cup, you improve depth aswell, no other team employs this strategy , kudos to springboks. Rassie is very strategic
Every fucking team does this
Thos championship, vs aus then vs nz, then vs Argentina, then vs Wales, a squad system , vs the wallabies, nz, and Argentina a huge difference
Compare time played of tight fives vs all other teams it is eye opening, not just between games but calling subs early
The ref gave them ample rest too
You've got depth. Basically you have 2 good squads. Other teams don't
As a South African, we always get bashed on social media as whiners about refereeing cuttings etc. This is the second NZ show I’ve seen since that has gone to refereeing literally in the first few minutes of the show. The only thing that needs to be adjusted is playing within the laws of the game. If you counter the maul by driving while the jumper is in the air, it’s a penalty, that’s what the laws say. No interpretation needed there, just wait for the player to come down first.
*citings*
This arse even condoned the Barrett tackle that he got sent off with! Technology has caught up with the AB with the Bunker system. Their cheating is finally coming to an end!
😀true they were hit by the perfect storm.i don't care what they say.if it makes them feel better let them talk.!!!
If it were the other way around they wouldn't have said a word about the reff 😂 bunch of hypocrites
Maul not Mall ... A "Mall" is a shopping centre.
Wow, look at who is complaining about the ref now 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeahhh, just like you J Cakes do when you lose A, lol. You plum end.
@@KiwiGraggle I’m pretty sure when boks complain about the ref these a reason
What the all blacks fans are complaining about is the ref doing his job by penalising infringements correctly
@@KiwiGraggle France....
springboks outplayed nz tactically even when they were 15 man ..nz never knew what south africas game plan was they cracked under pressure
Are you sure? Looks to me SAF only scored 1 try in the 33rd minute with 15 on 15. The rest came when NZL had 2 🟨🟨 but mostly when we had the 🟥
🇿🇦 try 18 mins, NZL 2 🟨🟨
🇿🇦 try 33 mins, 15 on 15
🇳🇿 🟥 38 mins score 14 - 0
🇿🇦 try 41 mins, 19 - 0
🇿🇦 try 58 mins, 26 - 0
🇿🇦 try 67 mins try, 33 - 0
🇳🇿 try 70th min 35 - 7
@@MeanAzz_13 you ignorant AB fans will never grow up 😂
@@MeanAzz_13 I get your point, but it was the pressure from the Springboks that caused your cards. PSDT did exactly the same thing as Scott Barrett's first offence, and PSDT was only penalised, because SA were not on a team warning.
It is every team's tactic early on to rather give away the three and save the seven, but Springboks simply kept plugging for the seven, forced so many infringements that two of your guys were in the sin bin, and the scored their first try while on yet another penalty advantage in the red zone. The red card did not cause Telea to knock the ball on in the lead up to Jordan's disallowed try, it did not cause all the other handling errors and it did not cause Jordie to pass the ball to Kurt Lee.
There are many ways to skin a cat and this was one of them. Anaconda will kill you just as dead as a cobra and boy did SA squeeze on Saturday.
Much like the Auckland game, where NZ crushed SA by 35 too then, right?. Works both ways, you forget this.
@@Karma-qt4ji but alas, you forget this was a W.C "warm up" game with *nothing on the line,* that was already taken care of 8 weeks earlier in the R.C that NZL had sewn up.
And you are forgetting come all important knock out games of a W.C, Q.F, S.F and *FINAL* teams are more likely to take all points on offer, *especially penalty kicks,* so I doubt we'll see teams wanting to plug the corners and bash away come knock out time, is my bet.
1. MAULS are killing rugby😂 = They are stronger than us up front!
2. The game was too slow😂 = We were holding players long after the ball was gone, We had the longest injury where we never removed our "Stabbed!" prop Lomax, Plus you had to review all our card fouls.
3. They picked 7 forwards! 😂 = They are "Abusing their Bench", we don't have the depth to do bomb squads too, so we must stop them from properly pasting us like that with theirs. Shriek for World Rugby
4. Nobody likes stop start rugby😂 = Springboks are responsible for our injuries, cards and pressurized us into countless fumbles & knock on's, they spoil our champagne rugby game
5. The TMOs are too involved 😂 = Sorting out all our on the edge cheating, holding of players is a massive job & we expect officials to let us get away with most of it, these ones actually wanted to penalize us for everything.
Bonus list
1. NH ref Interpretations that only effected one SH team,
2. Cross Jumping in Lineouts according to Coach [Ian Foster & Sam Cane],
3. Jet Lag [Eddie Jones],
4. Dan Coles 'we didn't take it seriously enough',
5. Yellow Cards by the Ref, I mean he just kept carding us
6. Game took too long to play for game time - Jeff Wilson.
7. Too many penalties, pedantic officiating
8. Boks Played to the ref better, assuming we actually played at all.
9. Boks used to only play shit Box kick rugby and we shamed them for it and wanted the rules changed, now they went and CHANGED how they play with out providing us with 30 days written notice.
[even though stats' showed we kicked more]
10. Boks now only play shit 'kick for the corner' try scoring rugby and its soo boring, we need the rules changed again.
11. "It was our doing, its not as if we were blown off the park" - Thompson exhooker clown - Apart from you creaking from immense pressure and being blown off the park, from Scrum to Line out to passes picked off for tries etc..
12. We Hate that Rassie, he has us guessing and plays to forward dominance strength & went 7 - 1, its like it is cheating & unfair to have developed 2 equally strong packs, utter bullshit shouldn't be aloud, like when he went waterboy, it should be in the rules you cant do it, he is such a dangerous maverick, we should have him removed.
Keep 'em coming boys, we would like the full list.
Can you drop a few more for why your scrum went in reverse every time and why on 4 of them the pen's weren't given, ref just gave up pinging you for collapsed & popping scrums, what about the secret weapon 140kg baby Hippo?
Also remember a 7 - 1 split is clearly cheating, I mean Boks changed all their forward pack accept for PSDT outrageous, imagine we did that assuming we had that level of depth to even start a half decent first front row that wouldn't collapse, in the first instance.
This must should be stopped, must talk to world rugby, I mean too many sub's, and and and.. WLR was fine, how can they do that, he wasn't sick, we want a sick note signed by the British Medical Journal in triplicate, more on this one. I am putting the full binder together for this one.
Rassie Brain Stomped Foster into a battle on his own terms with 2x Fresh Packs, which NZ can't match - Their pack was bullied non-stop, then we sent a fresh bunch on to continue the same, they got frustrated & infringed like fuck, were finally penalized for it and lost badly. End of story, just like when Boks lost 56 - 0 - SA fans said my god we are shit & how good were the All Blacks. Not NH Ref.
Doing my Doctorate on denial & mental disorders
You should have your own podcast mate,spot on.... absolute gold!!!
What a refreshing honest unbiased show..."The breakdown crew" are hilariously one-eyed..
I managed 5 minutes of the breakdown and turned it off in disgust. Those muppets were arguing that barret deserved no card whatsoever despite in their words "charging recklessly into the maul" because he didn't make head contact. By their logic you could shoulder charge prone players in their lumbar spine area without sanction...
The problem is that law 9 defines a charge as a foul as follows.
Law 9: Foul play
A player must not charge into a ruck or maul. Charging includes any contact made without binding onto another player in the ruck or maul.
It is foul play whether it makes head contact or not. Absolute muppets. Read the rules before spouting garbage.
Anytime you have a journalist on a rugby show then you know it's bought and paid for. The breakdown actually tried to deflect the cards. Absolute joke on how they tried to spin it. I mean Stalin would be proud of this kind of propaganda
All blacks have for the last 30 years got away with cheating and foul play ! Not any longer you will have to change your game if you want to compete with South Africa
@@michaelkeegan9260see how fast the ball came out of the ruck after it happened though!?
@@ChangusMaximus Marx was nowhere near the ball. It was coming out anyways. Taking cheap shots on players on the ground seems to be a past time for barret
South Africans just love to "make a plan" and do things differently and innovate...we're forced to do that in our every day lives so sport just an extension.
The 7-1 was great to see but don't think the Boks will do it again unless injuries force them.
NZ will be be back quickly, will be rooting for them against FRA. I'm less optimistic about ENG and AUS bouncing back, their problems seem more deep rooted and will take longer to figure out.
Yeah, such amazing innovators that your country is in chaos, you have mass homeless issues, race issues and most of you seem to want to come to the UK?. Is that because you plan and do things differently and innovate, because you are forced to do that in your "every day" lives is it, so it is an extension?, lol. Shhhh.
Totally disagree with blaming pedantic refereeing wrt the lineouts - the guys went in early and it is clear as day that they kept on doing it.
the cards weren't pedantic, it was the bunker TMo interjecting on EVERYTHING - a game that lasts 117 minutes and has 33 minutes of actual play, is a sh**t game
@@nzfreeski you do realise that the bunker looks at potential foul play and not the rest of the game right?
The Foul Player Review Bunker is an additional TMO (Television Match Official), that is dedicated to reviewing and deciding when an incident is referred to them - World Rugby refer to these officials as the Foul Play Review Officer (FPRO).
Unlike a regular TMO, the FPRO can only comment and deal with incidents that are referred to them. They cannot highlight another act of foul play or, for instance, a knock-on, offside etc.
@@nzfreeski
@nzfreeski 15 minutes getting the ABs prop off the field and 15 mins of ABs penalties. It seems its not the ref or the Boks that's the problem...
@alistairclifton1286 the bunker is supposed to be looking at foul play, but they looked at everything.
The Springboks have been on the receiving end of 50/50 calls for many years, suck it up chaps.
Bok supporters (I am one myself). Lets be gracious in victory boys. Great result for us, but no need to gloat. Not a good look for us or anyone. ABs are too good to not learn from this. 🙂
We know this ✌🇿🇦
I haven't seen anyone gloat here? All I've seen is the loss being blamed on the ref.
@quinmighty don't go blaming the ref if you guys don't make it to the final then mate 😅 for the record, I don't blame the ref, I blame the Boks for being relentless and learning their lessons from the championship and Kolisi having an amazing influence on his team. Nothing but congrats to SA!
Yea maybe a 10 point margin you might be able to blame a Ref. Not 28 lol😅
They wont be, they are South Africans, they are f-ing aholes. When NZ next beat you guys and they will, I will return that and see how you J Cakes like it. I use to have admiration for SA rugby, not anymore, nasty people. Now I know why the British dont like you, 100% understand why now.
A pleasure listening to these boys! The break down on sky should take note
I heard a lot of ref bashing and im only 5 minutes in
You do understand that different people interpret things differently, if they didn't it wouldn't be interesting.
@@johanesterhuizen1842I didn’t hear any ref bashing. There was no calling the ref incompetent, and never did they say that was the reason they lost. But if your honest and looking at things objectively, the way the game is reffed in the southern hemisphere is a lot different from how it’s done in the north. All that these guys are saying is that All Blacks have to adjust if they want more success. The inability to adjust is not the reason we lost, we lost because South Africa outplayed us, but it is still a factor in our own performance and something that has to be addressed
Being a sore loser is the mainstay? Laughable. The law is the law. Don’t tackle a player in the air! No ifs and no buts! STOP CHEATING!
@@JMz685but the ABs were constantly making infringements. They were even cheating and offside at almost every line out. The ref also took ages to give the ABs the first yellow. They were also purposely collapsing the scrum which the AR never gave penalties for. Abs were lucky not get more yellow cards. Southern hemisphere or not, learn to play by the rules and maybe you’ll have 15 players on the field.
Shame ABs blaming NH refs. Ref not allowing you to cheat and be cynical like you did in Auckland? Shame. The ref was honest. Now the Breakdown panel are now blaming the rules of rugby, saying the rules need to change😂. "We need the rules to be changed so that it suits hiw we want to play"😂 . Hold that!!! Bow down to the World Champions!!!
Learn to spell kafa😂😂
There was no cheating in Auckland. And there was none in England. Both times the other team outplayed the other. 35-7 to SA wasn’t cheating, 35-20 to NZ wasn’t cheating. What about 57-0 to NZ, was that cheating or how about 57-15 to NZ in South Africa was that cheating too? Cmon now.
@@JMz685Salty kiwi I see. Bringing up games in 2017. Lol its so funny every kiwi fan had this silent confidence because they were doing "well" and the boks came and shat all over that. Now you're all mad cause you got your biggest ever defeat in your ENTIRE HISTORY on the eve of a wc where you guys thought you mighy win it. Salty salty salty😂😂😂😂
The sick part of this RWC is that 3 of the top 5 ranked teams will not get past the quarter final.
RFU IRB and WR fumbled the bag
The three being nz Scotland and?😂
As a SA supporter I love how New Zealand supporters blame the ref as it implies that they are not doing an analysis of how bad they were against the Springboks 😅
I am not blaming the ref J Cake?. Stop stereotyping, umm, dirt road boy?. I can stereotype too, funny yes? "😅"
@@KiwiGraggle listen to all the NZ rugby forums my friend
@@KiwiGraggleyou sound very intelligent 😂 !
like the Boks supporters dont do the same,....... Rassie....... etc think before type and make us normal and reasonable Boks supporters a bad name!!
@@_Just_B yes rassie made an hour video on how bad a ref was with 26 errors he made
All Blacks fans are complaining about the ref penalising them for infringements correctly
I don’t know about you but there’s a massive difference in that
Superb, balanced analysis. As an Englishman it's criminal that Marcus Smith is not starting.
or arundell. thing about marcus smith though...whats his decision making like under severe pressure, team going backwards etc?
Just a thumbs up for Ross Karl here. He’s asking great questions of his panel. I can see Schmidt and Ryan asking the same questions in the team room.
Gentlemen I commend you on an excellent unbiased review of the ABs game. Excellent points. No sensationalism like The Breakdown. Maybe Sky NZ felt they needed to go that route for ratings, but glad we did not see it here. Cut out mistakes, read the ref, and move on.
Hundy 🙌🏽
Bleating about the Ref is so stupid. Don't you agree? The AB's shipped 35 points and played like a bunch of school kids.
Etzebeth is often referred to as a dirty player - wonder what the red card count is for him vs Scottie Barret
I don’t think etzebeth is a dirty player. I don’t think Scott is either.
@@carlomacdropping your shoulder onto a grounded player says otherwise... his red card for a cheap shot shoulder to the face 4 years ago says otherwise.
As to OP etzebeth has 2 yellows only in over 100 tests. Barret has two reds in less than 50
@@carlomacthen you're in denial . Scott b is an old repeat offender , under pressure he reverts to old ways ... like an old addict , that falls off the bus !😢
@@michaelkeegan9260 2 red cards in ‘50’ tests? You’re clutching at straws I’m afraid. Also there is no ban for Barrett, so I’m not the only one that thinks you’re wrong. He hit Marx in the shoulder, Marx then cries to the ref holding his shoulder, honestly I never thought Marx was such a whinging player. Clear tactics there to milk penalties there from Marx, and he got away with it.
@@carlomac go read his stats... 62 matches, two reds, and some yellows. His record is worse than every single bok in the squad. A cheap shot is a cheap shot. The definition of a charge at ruck time any contact without attempting to bind. He did not attempt to bind. Definitionally a foul as per rule 9.20.a. sanction is penalty but recklessness compounds the foul act a d can be sanctioned with a yellow. Yellow was the correct call, coupled with his cynical clean out of faf to kill momentum for his first yellow that makes red. The individual offense didn't make red but he has one on his record now and it's his own foul play that earned it.
Guys, lets just be honest. The All Blacks had the rub of the green for years. You never hear NZ pundits complain. In the post shows they chat about the rugby that was played. This game they got caught out. It was a great game of rugby. NZ got annihilated and all they can talk about is the ref as they refuse to accept how good the Boks is. What people don't understand, that this Bok team you see now, is a plan which was created in 2018 for 2023. All you see now is some genius planning, lots of depth and combinations. After SA lost 2020 due to Covid and then the Lions Series, they simply used all the other games to build on their plan for 2023.
You can’t prove that ABs cheat as you insist or that refs don’t ref them the same. If anything, they get more closely scrutinised and reffed because they are held to a higher standard. We have been good because we have the skill and talent for it.
And plus you talk about a few comments and pundits to determine how NZ is reacting to this loss. SA do the same thing everytime the All Blacks beat South Africa, blame the ref and try to make it some conspiracy, TASAnalytics is a perfect example of what I’m saying
I'm not blaming the ref, but complaining about NZ having an issue with the reffing needs to be entertained because while we had the rub of the green for a decade, every match was the refs fault in Boks eyes if the Boks lost 😅
Could not have said it better myself.
@@jackb4837 Which was proven with indisputable video footage. Happened again when the officials handed victory to both Ireland and France against the Boks earlier this year. World Rugby admitted the blunders afterwards and apologised OFFICIALLY.
That was a chesp shot by Barrett. Also the bunker and TMO are two separate entities. The bunker is only for foul play incidents if referred bt the Referee. TMO spots foul play, alerts Ref, Ref deems it serious enough for a yellow card then refers it to Bunker to see if it meets red card threshold. Easy for the rest of the world, not so much for our Kiwi friends.
But what will really annoy you even more, is he will be playing against France and I fancy NZ against France. This 35-7 blip, is just that, a blip.
You actually gave NZ more teeth, do you not see that, lol?.
@KiwiGraggle I don't think it was a red, so not bothered about that. It's just a dog shot. Good luck to the ABs.
7 - 1 split is dangerous and could have backfired. Boks took a tactical chance and it worked. Remember the Boks backs Willemse, Moodie, Reinach, Faf can all play multiple backline positions. Qwagga can definitely play Centre or cover Wing. People should be praising the Bok Management for the tactic.
We shouldn’t rely on it for critical games. It’s super risky.
Aaaand rugby's interesting again all of a sudden. The ABs seem like they're a bit of a shambles going in to this but on the other hand, the pressure is entirely off and they're going in to this as underdogs for once. I've struggled to follow rugby in recent years for a number of reasons, but this season's been incredible and is lining up for a great world cup.
Am I missing something here??? What's happening with all the NZ pundits??? All I hear everywhere is "The refs"??? Why are you lot so in denial??? SA placed the AB's under immense pressure which they not used to and they cracked under it and didn't know how to deal with it!! Nothing else! 1st half stats must surely say that the Boks dominated them and that's where the damage was done. 2nd half even things a bit, but still guys, just give credit where credit is due without looking for excuses!!
It’s got nothing to do with not giving credit. They are trying to analyse what went wrong in the All Blacks performance. South Africa deserved to win and probably would’ve won regardless of the ref but the All Blacks inability to follow the ref was a MAJOR factor in the All Blacks bad performance but the pressure from SA was a the BIGGEST factor. No one was beating SA that day, they were on another level.
They need to find an open side who can match the great AB’s, of the past, who have worn 7. Sam Cane is average at best and not exceptional.
They have. And he's playing number 8!
@@wayneaye3700yes he would be a good replacement but he is also an exceptional 8. I have nothing personal against cane it’s just when i compare him to his peers around at the moment he doesnt stand out. Remember they have been blessed with McCaw, Jones, Mourie etc
@@mercedessl8718cane is much better than papalii though
@@otagogold2236 that may well be the case I’m just responding to the comment do the AB’s need to adjust their WC squad? Just pointing out an important position that the AB’s need to fill with an above average player.
Sam cane is a shocker compared to what's available
Independent onlooker here. SA were awesome in the first 15mins. Looked like men v boys even before there was a card issued.
much more balanced that the folks on the breakdown
Boks dominated the All Blacks, I did not hear them once acknowledge that. Instead it's the ref, the stats are similar. It's ludacris. Boks outplayed the All Blacks plain and simply. Boks set piece in the front is head and shoulders above the rest and if this continues they will successfully defend the trophy.
@@sizwe1131they dominated 14 which is true. But you're acting like their forward pack had a resounding tactical victory at set piece, when a month ago they couldn't break through.
@@nprwikeepa6082 at Mt Smart re-watch the game. Boks were beaten in the 1st half. Second half the guys were able to come back and make it a contest and scored more points. In this game boks beat these guys for the full 80 minutes and the All Blacks had no answers. It wasn't even a contest.
Refereeing to the laws is not very popular with NZ pundits it seems.
I've never understood rieko at 13. People want to be wingers. Less job and all the praise and he's got what it takes yet he went the other way around. He looked like he doesn't like to work hard for 13 and tbh he played like that for awhile (maybe because he was trying to adapt). But in last few games he was playing like a really good centre and made me convinced
agreed, we need a big hit up at 13 especially if the AB wanna beat Ireland or SA
I agree.. Finally someone pointed it out. He got alot of unnecessary Flack for transitioning into a 13. Look at Maa it took him a while to adapt into that centre and inside centre role with the ABs. Rieko can only get better at centre
Thanks gentlemen, high point of the week, and I sure needed it after that massive boot in the bum from the Bokke, this is going to be an epic World Cup.
I find the confidence in the AB's very strange. In the last thirteen months the AB's have lost a test series at home when they were leading 1-0, lost three games in a row at home, had a run where they lost four out of five games, gave up a 19 point lead against England in the last ten or so minutes, and took a record score from the Springboks.
Still they think the interpretation of the ref is the only thing to be concerned about. Their set-piece struggled, thier handling was awful. On the handling, the AB's handling has been average for a while now. Even when they beat the Springboks at Ellispark their handling was shocking. I am amazed that nobody picks up on this.
The biggest difference between the Auckland test and Twickenham test was the fact that the Springboks placed AB's kickers under much more pressure. The Ab's kicking game was far less accurate. In the Auckland test the AB's build much of their pressure through their kicking game and that didn't happen Friday.
Preparation time was from the day after the Springboks won the RWC in 2019. Springboks captain in an interview said that they cannot play like 2019 as they will lose the RWC. They have prepared well as they really want to defend the RWC.
The fact that none of the NZ rugby pundits can't acknowledge that the All Blacks were simply outplayed by the Boks is simply ludacris. The Boks are the team that are peaking at the right time. They dominated Wales the week before and dominated the All Blacks 1st team. The boks is head and shoulders above the All Blacks right now. Just deal with it and pray you don't meet the Boks in the quarters.
All of the pundits that I have seen have commended the Springboks. However, they are always going to look at things from a nz perspective. They will naturally be thinking of what went wrong, and what can be fixed. The springboks were great against Wales although they were missing some key players. We also were playing with 14 men for a lot of that match so the result was almost given at that point. Springboks looking very strong at this point.
@@carlomac NOT these pundits...whinging about the ref for the whole show.
@@carlomacGames have been a lot more interesting between these two sides since 2018. Much more of a rivalry than from 1996 to 2017. Pretty much one sided over that period. Since then, every game is not a foregone conclusion. We beat you, you come back and beat us, you thrash us, we thrash you. The nerves, the excitement, frustration. Fantastic.
The collective voice of the NZ punditry saying Scott Barrett’s hit wasn’t an absolute cheap shot is baffling to me. If this exact hit had happened to Richie McCaw, you know the dialog would be the exact opposite.
Scott hit a guy in the head and neck area, as he rolled away from the ball on the ground, couldn’t have played the ball without giving away a penalty and wasn’t even looking like he was going to try. Came from the side, went off his feet, definitionally a cheap shot, it’s absolutely a yellow card, and it’s super stupid knowing you already had 1 yellow card.
Kiwis blaming the ref📸
When you lose the collisions you lose the breakdown battle. When you lose the breakdown you are under pressure. When you are under pressure you give away penalties. When you give away multiple penalties you get cards.
Discipline issues are a result of pressure from losing the breakdown.
Stop running it out of your own 22. Top tip
If you pile on the pressure, the opponent will make mistakes. The AB's were put under the pump very early in this contest, and they cracked. I loved the intensity from the Boks.
Blame it on mistakes, blame on refs but if you're put under pressure you will concede penalties, subsequently cards.
It makes more sense to give credit to the team that was clearly dominant here boys..
Southern hemisphere rugby for the win.🇿🇦
Kiwi's blaming the Ref for getting hammered? Oh what a surprise ... You got obliterated, you were hammered, you were useless, get used to it.
The manner of the loss was disappointing. Traditionally this level of meltdown has happened in finals type footy, so im happy to see it here and not against France or SA in a quarter final. Look at rhe last 4 games against SA, they pumped us last year, then we beat them at home. We beat them at home and smoke them and then they smoke us at a neutral venue. Rugby is a fickle sport and at this level 1% off ends up in a 57-0 loss 😂
Actually NZ beat them in SA in 2022. The media forget this with NZ, especially NH. They just despise us mate, haha, honestly, British in specific, cannot stand us and the South Africans dont really have any respect for All-Blacks, that is shown everytime we lose to them. They are vicious, nasty, animals who NZ will beat again and when they do, I will be vicious and nasty, just like they are. I would normally not, but I will against SA, next time NZ mash them. See how they like it. Aholes.
That amazing defensive spell cost the game. Almost better off letting them score, saving your energy and keeping the players on the field.
If theres one thing ive learnt in the past few days, it's that kiwi commentators are not gracious in defeat. Give credit where credit is due, and stop blaming the 'interpretations' of the ref.
The week just keeps on getting better. Scott Dixon won, Liam Lawson had his first F1 race and now your show haha Cheers guys another great show
But surely these ref interpretations should have been covered prior to the game starting. They knew who the ref was going to be. Hindsight is fine but you're down one game and a record score.
That’s what I’m thinking too. I’ll be very surprised if whatever analyst in charge of analysing the ref didn’t get an absolute bollocking in the review. There’s no excuse now for not knowing how a ref officiates the game, especially at international level.
Sam Whitelock has to be captain. No question.
Do you think Whitelock isn't given the freedom to talk to and inspire the lads on and off the field? I don't see how putting a (c) next to his name changes his role.
@@Dilmahkana technically you’re correct, but in reality the captain has to lead and inspire the team, they are obviously the person who people look up to, this isn’t happening with Cane. If Whitelock started steadying the troops and calling the shots I could see this as causing an issue. You don’t really want more than one player doing that. Not saying I wouldn’t want to see that, as it would be more obvious to people.
@@carlomac I think what the team and what we the public see/percieve is different. The Captain doesn't necessarily have to inspire the public.
@@Dilmahkana yea I never said he had to inspire the public. I’m just saying that as an observer the team look lost on the field and are not galvanised especially when put under pressure. This to me is obvious to see. Thats a leadership issue. Especially when you compare with how Whitelock steadies the team under pressure. I’d like to see Cane just trying to be the best number 7 he can be and focus on that.
All Blacks were pressured into mistakes and deliberate tactics to stop a try. AB’s have been doing it for years. Ref was on top of his game and caught them. Safa’s pressure caused the AB’s to produce what looked like a bad game.
I agree with my African brothers. I’m a kiwi who accepts it’s time to eat humble pie. We got smashed & outplayed in all facets of the game.
Accept that fact fellow kiwis. Don’t point the finger at the referees, the bunker or even fozzie
The All Blacks where given a pasting by the springboks. That’s what happened. Let’s give credit to them as they are and always will be a mighty rugby nation
So glad the Kiwis are talking about the ref now. Saffas been saying this for three years. No consistency.
If the AB's didn't concede panalties, they were going to concede tries. They knew this, there's no descipline issue here. Hopefully, they'll handle the heat much better against France
😂😂 these guys should learn from Justin Marshall,accept the defeat and move on,surely it cannot be this difficult.
This might be a shock, but both teams had a northern hemisphere ref. One team played in the rules, the other didn't. I think the URC has helped the SAs learn how to play to the ref, this will only be a good teachable moment for the all blacks. Also, Barrat hitting Marx who was on the ground, not actually attached to the maul, was a pure frustration shot, let's not pretend that is not the case. All things considered. Easy fix, all blacks will bounce back hard, luckily it will be vs France first.
Yeah nah totally agree with this over exuberated bunch of kiwis. The abs dominated the boks in evey stat (except the one that counts the points - thats not important). What is important is it was just the ref that needed to be adapted to. They didnt really drop the ball cause of pressure or anything, must have been trying to adapt to the ref. Yea well done kiwis on your magnificent display of dominance 👍. Hope you can keep replicating that so you can get an early knock off from the world cup and can go watch the finals in the comfort of your own lounge with a nice cold one for all your hard work and dominating displays.
What did the ref do this time that has the ABs crying 😢? The flip side of the coin is that refs are less and less intimidated by "the best rugby team in the world'. Sometimes the ABs are, but other teams share that podium too and that nr 1 position on the podium. Currently 'the best team in the world' is 4th. Truth is, you were played off your feet and had no answers, because your players were not allowed to break the rules. It should become the norm, when an AB break the laws and illigaly slow the game in any way, the cappy should be send off too. Stop crying and be the men the world expect you to be. That said, good luck with the world cup to you guys and all the other teams and may the best team during the competition win!!🎉🎉
I disagree on the line out review, the AB definitely deserved the card because their line out was terrible at one point RG Snyman was on top of a AB because they came so early into the lineout, so the AB really need to work on their Line out timing, they did the same thing when they played at Smart but that ref did not call it out
As an AB’s supporter it’s disappointing these guys aren’t giving the boks credit where it is due. One thing I haven’t really heard anyone say is how South Africa’s kicking game was superior to ours and the way they played for territory putting constant pressure on us. I couldn’t get why the AB’s couldn’t adapt their kicking game and kick us out of trouble. Rassie is a much more astute tactician than Fozzy as well and he had the perfect game plan to nullify NZ. I’m sure the Blacks will learn from it and if we meet in the WC I’m sure things won’t be the same.
Thank you sir
I think that game vs the Boks helped the ABs more than the Boks.
ABs will have a reset on their discipline. The Boks however for a team with 15 forwards were found gasping in the second half. The rugbypass interview with Luke Thompson is more relevant than ever. If you can keep ball in play 40+ mins and not let the Boks take a knee then the Boks are out of shape.
I think the Boks helped the ABs, every other serious competitor to the ABs and Springboks too. Starve them of possession, cut down their space when they do have possession and then pounce on their mistakes when they crumble under the pressure. AB now know they need a plan B for this. Springboks showed their own hands. Everyone wins.
@@4Q_4Q2 I don’t think they need a plan B, just need to keep discipline and adjust to the refs around their breakdown and set piece ruling.
Boks for their dominant win may end up with a false sense of security.
@@KallousKiwi I believe this to be true what you say Kallous. The media bandwagon on this game in the NH is horrific. They completely forgot that NZ did SA in the RC by 35 points, and won the RC. All it does is it is going to make NZ vicious in this WC. I am not concerned about France, that is not underestimating them, but I just think NZ will beat them. As for the RWC, no I do not think NZ will win it, but it is 2027 that is the one I have the eye on and any other Kiwi will be thinking the same. You can almost say it will be an Australia Vs New Zealand final now in fact.
@@KallousKiwiListening to the coaching staff and Kolisi, I think the Boks are very aware that they need to improve in certain areas. They've realised for some time that they need to be able to finish off better. They missed 8 scoring opportunities, 2 of which were over the NZ try line held up. Nienaber recons you may only get 4 or 5 such opportunities in a WC game so Boks must learn to convert these opportunities into points.
A bit like the Samoa game, how many chances did they throw away in the end, all they needed was 1 try to win.
@@KallousKiwi Lack of discipline comes from the pressure of a game plan not working. Saw that in Mt Smart when the Boks were under pressure, giving away penalties as a result. If the Boks haven't learnt by now not to fall victim to having a false sense of security, after a dominant performance, then they will deserve the outcome of future matches. One could make the argument that maybe the ABs fell victim to that after their last dominant performance over the Boks.
its not the ref, its nz training to do illegal things like lineouts. grabbing opposite players while jumper is in air, standing offside while jumper is in air. they have done that in championship and didnt get penalized for it. They did it basically in all the lineouts of that game. How many penalties is that? Like 10 or more. At least this ref dont have his head up his arse and penalized nz justly.
And the Books ran the ball down the backline...very view up & unders...kick /chase
We kicked the ball away too many times in the red zone. Reckon we didn't want to give too much away in terms of set piece backline play. I also saw Aaron Smith hoist the ball to the rafters in our 22. Don't think most teams that played this past weekend wanted to give anything away.
1. Ethan de Groot
2. Codie Taylor
3. Tyrel Lomax
4. Scott Barrett
5. Brodie Retalick
6. Tyson Frizell
7. Sam Cane (c)
8. Ardie Savea .
9. Aaron Smith
10. Richie Mo’unga
11. Caleb Clarke
12. Jordie Barrett
13. Rieko Ioane
14. Will Jordan
15. Beuden Barrett
That’s a good team. *Shannon Frizell by the way, Tyson is his brother that plays NRL.
from an english perspective if henry arundell isn't made use of with ball in hand this WC it'll be a major disappointment. resembles jason robinson for pace and sidesteps, low centre of gravity etc. havent seen enough of him with england yet - just give him a run in the team stevo!
Looking at the footage, the ABs clearly hit the jumper before he landed (more than once), I do not see how this has anything to do with ref interpretation; it's black and white, either the player is in the air or his feet have landed - they were rightfully penalised by the letter of the law.
So the ABs in the SA game didn’t adapt to the northern hemisphere referee enough in the first half? Are the rules different in the northern hemisphere to the southern hemisphere? It had nothing to do with “interpretation”, what a load of bollocks! The ABs were penalized 14 times , 9 in the first half, and these penalties were apparently, and according to the comments here, conceded because if interpretation??? I don’t believe you should play rugby if you can’t “interpret” the BASIC RULES! One of the rules is that players in the lineout must be 1m apart. I guess one meter is an interpretation because they were pinged 5 times for that. Another is that you cannot play an opposing player in a lineout by driving in early, which they also did constantly. They collapsed scrums, a few they even got away with. This is NOT interpretation these are basic rules, and not abiding by them is not interpreting them incorrectly but breaking the laws with a penalizable offense. But thank you for your advice, the next time I end up in court for going through a red traphic light, I’ll just tell the judge that my interpretation of the law is that I’m allowed to! What is even more ridiculous about this comment is that they do interpret the laws correctly, but in most cases they will break the laws as a tactic in order to counteract the strengths of the opposition. Sometimes they get away with it, sometimes not, but they are not stupid, they are clever, using it as a tactic!
The stats mean nothing! They were demolished. The score should have been much larger!
Exactly! Could've been 55-0
I was at the All Blacks v South Africa game in Twickenham and there was definitely a feeling of helplessness and inevitability when the Boks continued to dominate throughout. I watched it again at home (to add to the torture) and noticed that there is definitely hope if the all blacks can make a few tweaks. It sounds ridiculous as we were totally smashed on Friday. However
Timing in the line outs - Eben was catching and holding mostert and mostert was pushing back. The all blacks need to wait half a second before the hit.
Timing at the scrums and binding issues.
Decision to offload or hold.
Decision to kick earlier.
Fine lines in the game led to huge pressure, panic, penalties and poor performance.
Fix these things
Change the momentum and change the outcome.
I nearly fell off my chair when the first comment on the game was again the ''reff'', especially after watching all the excuses from The Breakdown...not what I expected tbh.
When you loose the game 35-7 and you guys make a comment you won the game on the stats front....ultimate denial.
Boks center pairing never played test rugby together yet destroyed ABs midfield, don't see relevant of missing forward contributed to that.
Can't believe what I'm hearing 😂😂
"I know we don't like fullbacks playing centre..." will trigger PTSD in all ABs fan of a certain age 😢
So ref blows the laws and we get upset with him for holding players accountable? Bad form guys
Oh these bloody northern hemisphere refs 😂😂😂. Im wallabys fan and love the all blacks and south africa. But cmon, the all blacks got thumped by south africa. I think the all blacks will come back better like they always do and do well in the world cup, but fuck watching these nz media videos is just hilarious. I agree these refs are fucked. For example; a team to go multiple phases, get a try and have it awarded to them on field, but then have a tmo to call a penalty 5 phases before the try and call it back for a no try is just ridiculous. I think the yellow cards are mostly legitimate but when they bring out red cards for minor offenses,( especially in the first half), is rediculous as well.
The All blacks where disallowed two tries and down one man, and gave inexperienced players some time on the field, it's a bit of an overreaction! SA wanted the All blacks, after the last game and they had their full strength pack on the field to prove a point.
The Boks also did not play their first choice backline. Whereas the All Blacks did.
“Two” tries? The ABs were only disallowed one try. Moodie’s try was also disallowed, not to mention the three Springbok tries that were held up.
It could have been a hell of a lot worse for the ABs.
No one talks about the tactic the Boks used to keep the pressure! In the past the Boks would exert pressure on the All Blacks and the ABs would give away a penalty- usually converted and the Boks would come away with 3pts and the ABs would be able to start again!this could happen a couple of times and at best Boks could be 6 or 9 pts ahead- but ABs would score and it’s 7pts!
This time the Boks didn’t give them that out- and the rest is history- will be interesting to see if this will be a tactic going forward- keep the pressure and go for the try’s!
We messed you up 😂Frans Malherbe feasted on Ethan de groot. The poor boy looked beaten up. Thank you Bryn for acknowledging that we played with good variation.
Touching the jumer and literally preventing him from landing are two different things.
They say stats were led by NZ...if that is true, I watched a completely different game. Scrums, lineouts, rucks, tries, territory, possession?
The AB's were encroaching on everyt lineout. Finally a ref started blowing them fairly and the cards came.
So, the loss is blamed on the ref by these pundits. And they say WE whinge about the ref...hahaha. AB's were outscrummed...beat in the line-outs and couldn't handle the pressure. Own up and fix it.
The breakdown show can learn from you guys Great show guys
The whole blame Foster thing is gone now for me I think. This coaching setup has shown that they have given this team a winning game plan. For me the blame now is squarely laid at the feet of the players and the leadership group in particular. The fact that this is the most experienced ever ABs squad and the leadership group couldn’t come up with solutions on the field is the most worrying thing for me. The fact that we couldn’t come up with a single way to get into that game with the players that we have is just ridiculous. I’m a supporter of Sam Cane but he didn’t get a pass mark this game, after repeated similar infringements a captain should be able to rally his troops and sort that out on the field, then come together with the leadership group and find solutions. Aside from that we showed a lot of heart on defence, our mail defence was strong again in that first half.
Dont agree. Moody and to a lesser degree Blackadder should both of been selected in this team. The fact Foster didnt select our most experienced tighthead is crazy. That comes back on the selection panel and foster. Every game we are loosing its because we are getting smashed up front. There are too many young props in this team.
@@austingtir they were both injured (Blackadder still is) and moody is a loose head 🤦🏽♂️
Moody is not injured he's playing may be a loose head but he still the most experienced prope we've got. He should of been there behind lomax and de groot either way. And blackadder should be just about back playing now.
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Agree with most of what you said especially on the defence and poor captaincy/leadership however disagree on the maul defence. Conceding several penalties, one direct maul try and two tries from variations off the maul indicates that the maul defence was pretty dismal.
His first response to what went wrong was the referee….. wow
I am a Bok fan and all things considered, it was a shellacking of NZ. But I also see this as an abberration and nothing more. Besides, the AB's are not in the habit of panicking and neither should they.
An aberration? we've had plenty of those in the last 4 yrs - v Ire/Arg/SA/Fra.... well,you get the picture.
And the common denominator - Foster.Thank Christ we'll see the back of him in about 5 game's time.
Question for the my AB friends… why do all the NZ pundits talk around Scott’s clear out as if it wasn’t a clear out of a prone player off the feet with the shoulder when the ball was available? Am I missing something?
No. We want to hurt you. It’s a common thing with many big forwards in many teams. It’s also the reason changes in the rules to stamp out physical risks are having such an impact on game. “Clean out” is just a euphemism for playing the man, not the ball. Probably started getting more obvious when they changed the rules to discourage rucking. See you in the knock out rounds.😊
@@fossilmatic cheers.. it’s the pundits.. majority of fans say it was a just yellow card but so many of the pundits are moaning about the referee
J. Barrett can play anywhere? Really? With THAT tackling?
The non selection of Samipeni Finau is looking like a mistake . His size ,power and speed would be a great help against teams like South Africa and France. The loose forwards that played against South Africa are all fine players individually but as a group they lacked the size to combat the South Africans
Yeah Jacobson was a bad selection for 6.
Copy that. Frizzel was missed. Pity a big body like Akira hasn't made the mental adjustment require for international rugby. He would be the perfect eight
Akira has never stepped up,as you say,mentally weak.@@charleswanderi7737
Parsons is way off on his analyse of why the ref was penalisng NZ for driving early at lineouts. He wasn't blowing you for "interfering before" as you say by putting an arm out and touching a player in the air. He was blowing you because your entire pack starts driving before the SA jumper has come back down to ground. You did it the whole game at Mt Smart and everyone in SA was screaming at the TV for the ref to call it, but he let you get away with it. Now you get a ref actually applying the law and suddenly he's "interpreting" it differently. No - you cannot drive into a jumper while he is still in the air. Your maul defense timing was off. Look at the replay you show above - Mostert doesn't even get back to ground and you guys are driving in. You got well beaten, own it for a change you whingers.
What? The south Africans were jumping across which throws off timing for the engagement. We failed to adjust to this style of reffing which was the point. The ref penalized us correctly for not engaging at the right time. They also would have penalized SA for jumping across in the super rugby. Learnings.
@@Tom_McMurtry Absolute bull*hit mate, SA were not "jumping across". You do realize that the hooker has to throw the ball down jr middle right? So to catch it, by definition, you have to lean across into the middle...The reason you know that us "jumping across" didn't happen, other han having eyes in your head, is that you were penalized for driving early...us jumping across has no bearing on that. Your players have eyes, they drive in once our player hits the ground, as on once they see him hit the ground...doesn't matter where he lands.
@@dcs4880 jumping across involves jumping over the middle line no matter where the ball is thrown
@@Tom_McMurtry exactly. Go watch the game...we didn't jump across, you just drove early the same way you did the entire game at Mt Smart...just got called on it this time.
@@dcs4880 didn't drive early at Mt smart for the most part. You did junp across post catching the ball or with catching the ball. We did drive early this game multiple times in a row.
If we don't win this world cup I think we should play every game with 13 men so when we get to the next world cup we will be ready for having a few men in the bin
That's what England are currently doing!
They only used the 7-1 due to an injury to le Roux, it's not something they planned. Nienaber explained it in the press conference.
Come on Gentlemen - always start with “take nothing away from the Boks, all credit to them” and then follow up with the analysis. Sounded like a lot of excuses right from the start of the show
It was just a warm up game and RWC warm up games have never never been an indicator of form at the RWC for any team let alone the Six Nations or The a Rugby Championship in RWC years. The All Blacks had bad losses in 2011 and 2015 just before the RWC and then went on the win peaking during the knockouts.
All Blacks never ever won the RC and the RWC in the same year though.
One scrum penalty in the first 2 minutes lost the game for NZ. After that they were pinned in their own 22 for 20 minutes and conceded 9 penalties, including 2 yellow cards. They would have been better off just giving up a try and then resetting back down SA's end. That would have changed the game.
17:45 as if you ever showed mercy what tripe! Sounds like the MCC in the spirit of the game.
Luckily the Boks are playing up north so it’s easier to understand the refs way of officiating.
Couldn’t listen to it all but all I heard was that the ref lost the game for the ABs. No acknowledgment of the way the Boks played.
Except the fact that the AB couldn't absorbed the pressure and France will do exactly the same with them.
Interpret the refs - BS - the ABs were offside every line out in the 1st 20 mins (read the rules - poor coaching if you do not know you are pushing the limits !) and you can not jump on the back of the jumper (same everywhere) - ABs did not have a plan B (leadership issues) to fall back on and continued to infringed - the bokke just took advantage of the situation (better leadership) - simple
Through all the whingeing the most heinous part of this pod was Retallick grounding his club in the bunker
By the end of this world cup it will be confirmed the days of the small fetcher at 7 will be over.
Because we have a small number 8 and small open side it puts a lot pressure on our number 6.
This is why we should of picked Finau.He is 6ft 5 and 18 stone.
We really missed Frizell against the Springboks.
In today game all your loose forwards need to big and physical.