Runestone Museum; Alexandria, Minnesota
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- The mystery of the Kensington Runestone, unearthed in a farmer's field in the late 1800's, just got a bit cloudier. A renowned geologist has examined the stone and his findings have placed him at odds with prominent skeptics. The stone is housed in the Runerstone Museum in Alexandria Minnesota where you can see and judge it for yourself. Geologist Scott Wolter and anthropologist Michael Michlovich debate.
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Go watch Jackson Crawford he even called it a fake.
funny how the stone is written in a dialect of swedish that didnt exist yet at the time it is claimed to have been carved
No, we don't know that dialect was not spoken by the uneducated. We just know it wasn't used by the writers of literature.
@@wms72 yup. These families were Scottish yet viking ties existed before they "became" Scottish. This isn't surprising to me
It would be an interesting study to see how many people were immigrants from Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Greenland or any other land that also had runic writings with them. I would guess many but either way I love that this video is unbiased and I still find it fascinating to have this historical item in my state.
This is more recent information : th-cam.com/video/aWvRtlyTaUc/w-d-xo.html
This needs to be pinned.
Who would have known Runestone writing at that period to fake this,
It has been brushed and cleaned after it was found
The runes have umlauts. Runes don't use umlauts. Done.
@Smoking_Phat_Doobies A few things:
Why would Templar use runes?
Why would umlauts be used to draw attention and if they were, then why would they want you to pay attention to vowels in Swedish that used umlauts in the latin alphabet post 1700?
When examining a stone with carved writings, who would you trust more, an anthropologist or a forensic geologist?
@Matt Johnson th-cam.com/video/aWvRtlyTaUc/w-d-xo.html
I would trust an expert in runes.
He made up that title. There's no such thing.
Runes and language do not fit the date that the message is supposed to come from. Definitely a fake, shame because if it was true it would be a great story.
The anthropologist is more worried about fame than the authenticity or true story.
It's a monument to American entreprise. 'Never knowingly undersold'.
I know who wrote it too
I also agree with wolter, it makes sense to me that that there were explorers here before Columbus
@Matt Johnson 19th-century swedish? I dont know if my english is bad but they speak about runes
@@huginmunin8253 Runes are not a language. You can write modern English in runes, doesn't automatically translate it in Old Norse, you oak leaf
@@VeselkoKelava Runes are a language writing system used by germanic people before they adopt latin latters. And the alphabet is known as runic alphabet
@@huginmunin8253 you said absolutely nothing of importance. Forget the runes, the language is modern. Imagine if during Shakespeare's times where people spoke like this: "Wherefore art thou, Romeo?" you find a paper with "LMAO that's sick, bruh WTF". They're both English, but not the right time period.
@@VeselkoKelava well there was a guy named Richard Nielsen that said the Rune that people thought was "J" was infact an rare "L" Rune that was used in 14th century and people have Found documents from 1300 with identical Runes as those in the stone wich people earlier said was made up, then their is the "r" Rune with dots that has been found on graves in Gotland. Then there was some twins that said it was fully middle age how they wrote ave Maria and it was not so known at the time they found it. Then their is a danish guy named Dick Nielsen that found same sort of text in documents as those in the Rune and said that swedish people should have read their documents they have facit there
It seems to me most critic's of the Runestone are skeptical not for scientific or historic reasons, but because of the following : 1) It seems so unlikely, impossible even, that such an artifact could have been found. 2) The finder was Swedish. 3) He had a book of Runes. So they come to the conclusion that it had to be a fake. The problem is there is no science involved in coming to that conclusion. Extremely rare items can turn up on rare occasions.. Wolter is more scientific. I read his book and he has the answer's for everything the critic's. question. One thing the critics always ignore, is the fact that the writing on the Runestone was first noticed not by the Farmer, but by his 10 year old son who was with him when he found it. I agree such an artifact should naturally draw skepticism, but I don't agree with the methods most skeptics have used. Wolter may be wrong, but al least he is using science, history and even some detective work. His book was extremely detailed.
th-cam.com/video/aWvRtlyTaUc/w-d-xo.html FAKE!
RJ Walker you are an idiot the runes are wrong!
@Matt Johnson not necessarily. There are plenty of runic remnants on Gotland from the 1300s that disprove much of what you’re claiming.
@Matt Johnson One example of many would be the use of the 'dotted or palatal R' on the KRS, also found in grave slab inscriptions on Gotland (G70 Urgunda ,G192 Vastergarn & G282 Othem) This rune which was unknown to "modern scholars" (who cited it as a primary cause for the KRS to be dismissed as a hoax with no further investigation & who's work is still perpetuated as fact) prior to 1935 when the Ukna grave slab inscription was uncovered (circa 1200AD). What are you citations?
@Matt Johnson “oppdagelsesfart” is not found on the KRS. The actual word on the stone is “optsgelse” or “uptakilse” in the 1906 section of the old Swedish dictionary. You’re simply repeating century old narratives of erroneous interpretations of the runes originally thought to be on the stone.
this shouldn't be hidden away in minnesota. please allow this piece to travel and send some proceeds home to the museum so the world can see it. it should be shared and not everyone would make it to the museum up there.
let me say, i love minnesota and have vacationed on the beautiful lakes there throughout my childhood. i have no gripe with the state. i just feel the stone should travel to the museums of the world. that may bring more people to minnesota in the end.
thank you!
Do you really find it a good idea to send a fake on a museum tour?😄
They found other similar marking ruins ...some ruin writing on a beach with same alphabet ..directions a different documentary goes into Templar were here earlier look at blue eye Indian tribes stories from the north.
Its dumb to think this is fake.. No way that farmer could do that, also I doubt someone else made it and put it somewhere random I doubt some dude was like "ha im gonna make this runestone and place under some random tree cause I know for sure someone is going to look under it"
What's impossible about someone who owns books about runes to write a text in runes in his own, mostly modern, mother tongue? It was probably done to legitimize Scandinavian settlement of the area, just as the Italian-Americans embraced Columbus as an American hero when they faced persecution.
Zohar Uzuki You’re an idiot
I know It is Fake!
Its real and here's why. The date 1362 is carved on the stone twice, one clear as day and the other is written in code. This was not discovered until after Olof's death in 1935 and the only way this could happen if Olof knew magic and made changes from beyond the grave.
Incorrect language, runes, grammar, and interpuncts. It’s such an obvious fake.
Are you an "expert" Pol? If not, shut the hell up.
Fake...but fun
Its real and here's why. The date 1362 is carved on the stone twice, one clear as day and the other is written in code. This was not discovered until after Olof's death in 1935 and the only way this could happen if Olof knew magic and made changes from beyond the grave.
Unfortunately the doubting Thomas hasn't taken into account the plate tetonics shifting, along with other environmental science. It is possible for the Vikings to have been here prior to the date on the stone.
What the hell are you talking about, the runestone would have been made about 750 years ago (if it were real). Plate tectonics have nothing to with this and would only be a factor of the time span was over millions of years.
The actual text uses umlauts on the runes, something that makes no sense for anyone that knows runes.
Sure anything is possible but it's highly improbable
Its real and here's why. The date 1362 is carved on the stone twice, one clear as day and the other is written in code. This was not discovered until after Olof's death in 1935 and the only way this could happen if Olof knew magic and made changes from beyond the grave. @@BurnBird1
I know what it says
Good day Robert. Please share.
Jennifer Kennedy from wikipedia
Front:
8 : göter : ok : 22 : norrmen : po :
...o : opdagelsefärd : fro :
vinland : of : vest : vi :
hade : läger : ved : 2 : skjär : en :
dags : rise : norr : fro : deno : sten :
vi : var : ok : fiske : en : dagh : äptir :
vi : kom : hem : fan : 10 : man : röde :
af : blod : og : ded : AVM :
frälse : äf : illü.
Side:
här : (10) : mans : ve : havet : at : se :
äptir : vore : skip : 14 : dagh : rise :
from : deno : öh : ahr : 1362 :
“Eight Götalanders and 22 Northmen on (this?) acquisition journey from Vinland far to the west. We had a camp by two (shelters?) one day's journey north from this stone. We were fishing one day. After we came home, found 10 men red from blood and dead. Ave Maria save from evil. (side of stone) There are 10 men by the inland sea to look after our ships fourteen days journey from this peninsula (or island). Year 1362”
It's clearly fake yet it has a value in its falseness. Forgery aside maybe the scandinavian settlers wanted to legitimize their colonial existence by inventing a legitimizing artifact to justify their land theft
Anyway watch the Jackson Crawford video on the subject for a professional opinion
I'll trust a Geologist over ideological anthropologists/archaeologists any day of the week. It's just embarrassing how these disciplines stand on foundations of sand and it gets more clear every year with new discoveries into the ancient past.
It was placed here by the Ancient Aliens. Lol..... it's on the next hour on the History Channel. 🤦♂️🤷♂️🙄
no
They put it there isn't it obvious it was so called found by Scandinavian decent
Probably fake but quite an interesting story ; )
It's definitely fake. Watch Prof Jackson Crawford's video on the subject.
Its real and here's why. The date 1362 is carved on the stone twice, one clear as day and the other is written in code. This was not discovered until after Olof's death in 1935 and the only way this could happen if Olof knew magic and made changes from beyond the grave.
We know they made friends in the natives UPON ARRIVAL. This clown questioning how they could've traveled to the middle of the usa.. lol
Nice to encounter sane people in this thread😀
he is full of it.
(1) Nothing about anthropology is real. They still argue the size of a brain determines its intelligence. Real world: a little chihuahua puppy is light years smarter than a huge cow with a brain double the size of the chihuahua's whole body. A small crow is proven the smartest animal. Anthropologists don't do "real world" stuff.
(2) We only assume anthropologists know anything because of movies & TV, not from our experience with them.
(3) anthropology is a "science" which has contributed zero to industry. That should tell you everything you need to know of its real world usefulness.
(1)They don't argue that the size of the brain determines intelligence, but that the brain-to-body ratio does, which in the majority of cases is true.
(2) that's true for most sciences since most people don't tend to be friends with a professional scientist.
(3) A science's contribution to industry is completely irrelevant. Paleontology does nothing to support "industry", yet that doesn't mean that dinosaurs aren't real.
Alexandria? No doubt they're claiming that was founded by Alexander the Great.
I just love these nay.sayers...its like the fool who confronted Martin Luther,... eventually, he help propagate the very thing he tried to stop...it's like banning books...it only causes to propagate the books...
onceANexile it is fake Like everything else in America!
So you are purporting that the stone is real?? Even though the language used is a mashup of words used up to 200 years apart. Like writing "LOL" in Oliver Twist. And as a Dane, I can tell you it looks nowhere near the real thing. Try looking up the Jelling Stone, raised by Harald Bluetooth.
But maybe you will suggest that it uses Bluetooth transfer instead of runes? It is just as far out as the usage of the runes in this stone
Fake fake