As someone who has 200+ hours in this game but still wants to learn more without watching 2hr+ playthroughs, these videos are perfect. Quick and gets straight to the point, good job
Worth mentioning, the tech flanking bonus gotten ONLY from mil tech is called "maneuver_value" in the code and affects all units, whereas bonuses from any other modifiers in game are called "cavalry_flanking" and as the name implies, affect only cavalry units. IMPORTANT: these 2 modifiers scale multiplicatively with each other, so if you have tech 10, +25% "maneuver_value", your cavalry range goes up to 2.5, rounding down to 2, however if you had +100% "cavalry_flanking" bonus, it'd go up to 5, whereas if it scaled additively, it'd have gone up to 4.5 rounding down to 4. That just means that cavalry flanking bonuses become better with tech.
Honestly, flanking is just hilarious when it gets to high values. In a Holy Horde game a while back, I had cav with a flanking range of 7 or 8 IIRC. While there were some cases where I lost a battle or two at full width, anything less than that steamrolls hard because all that cavalry can hit units well into the center and decimate them. Even at half or a quarter strength, they still can usually hit something.
Yeah it should be but all the way back even into eu3 people would win battles and then detach cav to stackwipe armies, as cav speed allowed you to keep up shattered speed
Currently playing Lan Xang with Aristocratic ideas and going full elephant stacks. With their ideas, missions and the new cavalry military government reform you can get 100 ratio. Let’s just say currently India goes squish. In the shock phase at least :D.
You can make them plenty viable just stacking a few bonuses from stuff like quality and aristocratic ideas. Lower the cost to almost the same while buffing the damage like crazy. cav can get insanely strong and is usually worth it as long as you have the money.
In my opinion cav's always good early, up to 4 which is the maximum cav units that can participate in combat. The maintenance costs aren't that big a deal, if you're constantly at war and park them on enemy land, their looting almost makes them cost the same as maintaining infantry. The only times when I truly consider disbanding my existing cavalry is when I don't see any chance of myself going to war in the next ~4 years or if I'm more concerned about filling combat width vs larger opponent, or fighting full combat width countries later in game, otherwise I'm wasting 1k manpower and the time + money it cost to get them. If you're planning to declare a war while over forcelimit, you could at least use them in the first battle and then disband them afterwards. I stop using cavalry past tech 13 mil when I start using full cannon backrows and the AI mostly has full front rows. If you're playing a country that's got cavalry bonuses, you're a horde or you also pick aristocratic, you can very well use a good portion of your army width as cavalry to give your frontline more punch, but vs AI that's not really necessary most of the time, cheaper and simpler to just use infantry.
they are super great in multiplayer imo. Because they make the opponent panic when they don't get the desired result from the battles. Some guys are unable to tell that the casualties are due to my high cav and they think that i have some crazy army buffs. Even a slightly favourable peace deal can tip the balance in mp
New russia also gets alot of cav bonuses btw. 95% cav inf ratio 80% cav cost which make it cost half than infantry and tons of cav combat ability. If you wanna go super crazy form russia as oirat. That way you can grab horde ideas and get 100% cav armies with tons of cav combat. I think i reached 100% cav combat in my run
I think they are really good with fire damage obviously but apart from that they have artillery combat ability and they are placed from the back of the line. They are better to spam in endgame where they deal more damage than infantry does
You said cav isn't worth it outside certain types of nations, which is the only correct answer. Subbed. So, newer players, don't have 6 or 8 cav in your typical French army. Enjoy the savings. Get an ice cream.
As a fellow eu4 enjoyer I kinda dislike to crowded place so people like zlewikk does not fit for me however your style how odd it is it perfectly fits for me :). Go on what you are doing. And do you plan to make an mp game?
Could we see a video of how to manage administration? what i mean is. most player spam churches/marketplaces in provinces not worth it, for example spamming churches in 0.5 ducats province
What about those like the Eastern tech Christian nations with the special Cossacks estate? Surely this alone makes the cavalry slightly more useful, right?
does it matter how much you pass the cav to inf ratio.for example your cav to inf is %75,does it give the same amount of penalty for %80 and %100,or %80 would be more advantageous compared to %100
How does the overall fire damage increase late gameaffect the use of cavalry in the same period? Especially since fire phase occurs before shock phase, would cavalry be too whittled down to be of any threat to the opponent in the shock phase?
Yes, a disciplined infantry and cannon army with high fire will beat the crap out of any high shock full cav army lategame, cavalry also costs a ton more than infantry
As someone who has 200+ hours in this game but still wants to learn more without watching 2hr+ playthroughs, these videos are perfect. Quick and gets straight to the point, good job
We all needed this. Thanks man! keep it up
Worth mentioning, the tech flanking bonus gotten ONLY from mil tech is called "maneuver_value" in the code and affects all units, whereas bonuses from any other modifiers in game are called "cavalry_flanking" and as the name implies, affect only cavalry units.
IMPORTANT: these 2 modifiers scale multiplicatively with each other, so if you have tech 10, +25% "maneuver_value", your cavalry range goes up to 2.5, rounding down to 2, however if you had +100% "cavalry_flanking" bonus, it'd go up to 5, whereas if it scaled additively, it'd have gone up to 4.5 rounding down to 4. That just means that cavalry flanking bonuses become better with tech.
Honestly, flanking is just hilarious when it gets to high values. In a Holy Horde game a while back, I had cav with a flanking range of 7 or 8 IIRC. While there were some cases where I lost a battle or two at full width, anything less than that steamrolls hard because all that cavalry can hit units well into the center and decimate them. Even at half or a quarter strength, they still can usually hit something.
This is the channel i was searching for!
For some reason i alwaysthought cavalry is faster,it just makes sense
Yeah it should be but all the way back even into eu3 people would win battles and then detach cav to stackwipe armies, as cav speed allowed you to keep up shattered speed
Back in eu3, we were running all cav armies stack wiping left and right
Currently playing Lan Xang with Aristocratic ideas and going full elephant stacks. With their ideas, missions and the new cavalry military government reform you can get 100 ratio. Let’s just say currently India goes squish. In the shock phase at least :D.
Yeah but what about Poland/Lithuania/Commonwealth or even Siam? They get crazy bonuses to cav too. Wouldn’t they also be worth going more into cav?
@@thekaiser-eu4 Sorry, I thought you just mentioned hordes
Siam don't now they changed the idea on the last patch
The Kaiser - EU4 is the goat
You can make them plenty viable just stacking a few bonuses from stuff like quality and aristocratic ideas. Lower the cost to almost the same while buffing the damage like crazy. cav can get insanely strong and is usually worth it as long as you have the money.
In my opinion cav's always good early, up to 4 which is the maximum cav units that can participate in combat. The maintenance costs aren't that big a deal, if you're constantly at war and park them on enemy land, their looting almost makes them cost the same as maintaining infantry.
The only times when I truly consider disbanding my existing cavalry is when I don't see any chance of myself going to war in the next ~4 years or if I'm more concerned about filling combat width vs larger opponent, or fighting full combat width countries later in game, otherwise I'm wasting 1k manpower and the time + money it cost to get them. If you're planning to declare a war while over forcelimit, you could at least use them in the first battle and then disband them afterwards.
I stop using cavalry past tech 13 mil when I start using full cannon backrows and the AI mostly has full front rows.
If you're playing a country that's got cavalry bonuses, you're a horde or you also pick aristocratic, you can very well use a good portion of your army width as cavalry to give your frontline more punch, but vs AI that's not really necessary most of the time, cheaper and simpler to just use infantry.
@@Skrymaster It's not necessary, but it is fun. You crack their lines in record time and get to see them try to fill it up with cannons.
they are super great in multiplayer imo. Because they make the opponent panic when they don't get the desired result from the battles. Some guys are unable to tell that the casualties are due to my high cav and they think that i have some crazy army buffs. Even a slightly favourable peace deal can tip the balance in mp
New russia also gets alot of cav bonuses btw. 95% cav inf ratio 80% cav cost which make it cost half than infantry and tons of cav combat ability. If you wanna go super crazy form russia as oirat. That way you can grab horde ideas and get 100% cav armies with tons of cav combat. I think i reached 100% cav combat in my run
Can you maybe make a video on cannons/artillery? Idk really how to use them aside from adding 3-5 to an army post 1490 to blast through forts
I think they are really good with fire damage obviously but apart from that they have artillery combat ability and they are placed from the back of the line. They are better to spam in endgame where they deal more damage than infantry does
Artillery starts to be useful in combat around tech 13 and becomes essential tech 16 and onwards.
1:27 Hordes and Poland
You said cav isn't worth it outside certain types of nations, which is the only correct answer. Subbed. So, newer players, don't have 6 or 8 cav in your typical French army. Enjoy the savings. Get an ice cream.
As a fellow eu4 enjoyer I kinda dislike to crowded place so people like zlewikk does not fit for me however your style how odd it is it perfectly fits for me :). Go on what you are doing. And do you plan to make an mp game?
I will post this to my friend
*Hordes, Poland, Zaporozhie, and Aq Qoyunlu*
good channel, good content
Can you make a video about artillery? It's a bit trivial its mechanics to me
Could we see a video of how to manage administration? what i mean is. most player spam churches/marketplaces in provinces not worth it, for example spamming churches in 0.5 ducats province
What about those like the Eastern tech Christian nations with the special Cossacks estate? Surely this alone makes the cavalry slightly more useful, right?
does it matter how much you pass the cav to inf ratio.for example your cav to inf is %75,does it give the same amount of penalty for %80 and %100,or %80 would be more advantageous compared to %100
would cavalry have higher movement speed than infantry in a campain thou? humans are famous for being one of the best long distance travelers
How does the overall fire damage increase late gameaffect the use of cavalry in the same period? Especially since fire phase occurs before shock phase, would cavalry be too whittled down to be of any threat to the opponent in the shock phase?
Yes, a disciplined infantry and cannon army with high fire will beat the crap out of any high shock full cav army lategame, cavalry also costs a ton more than infantry
Western cav becomes the best at tech 18 and stays that way. 6-8 horses aren’t a bad idea.
TL:DR if you are not horde cavalry sucks.