That's so disturbing and what Jeannie and Loni said is sad but true, they don't care especially if they see a venue that looks good in pictures and reasonably priced.
@@jasmeengurm751 yeah, and they use historical landmarks, i.e. plantations, to give a realistic feel..just like people do with their weddings and plantations! If you can film a movie on one (voluntarily), you can also have your wedding on one!
@@britbritnicole what's the difference?? she voluntarily filmed a movie on a plantation to make money..people are using plantations for their weddings to make memories..in my opinion, both are wrong..but I'm here to point out LONNIE'S hypocrisy!
I live in the DMV. And it happens a lot, like you said, and it's not a new trend. Apparently, everyone is just finding out about it. I took a class, a long time ago, that had us visit three plantations and at every plantation, the staff told us that they cater to weddings. They gave up business cards and showed us pictures of past weddings and my classmates and I kept wondering how can anyone have wedding at a plantation. There was a portrait in one of the rooms that just freaked me out. At one of the plantations, my classmates and I had an honest conversation with our professor and the staff about how we disagreed with weddings being at the plantation and they were honest with us, they stated that that's how most plantations stayed in business because that's were most of their money comes from. For me, plantations are learning tools. Although my majors were criminology and psychology, I took every class on African American studies I could. But, when I tell other African Americans to visit plantations and to learn about our ancestor they refuse. While I disagree with weddings being on plantations, I want plantations, which I defined as a museum of history (even if the history is tragic) to still remain open. And while I find this disgusting too, I also think that Black/African Americans should visit plantations more and learn about slavery. Also, honestly everyone should visit plantations. Those 3 visits further my education and understand of what my grandfather's grandfather went through. Those visits were hard, but I'm glad I did them. Anyways, you grew up with this knowledge of plantation weddings, I learned about it when I was in my 20s. And in my twenties, I had a hard time understanding it and I still do. I started working at a new job, and I told my coworkers about the plantation and that it was not that far from us, and they had no clue. DC is across the street from me, literally, and most people in the DMV area forget that slavery existed here. And the funny part about it is that my aunt lives in SE down the street from the Frederick Douglass house/museum. But, when I bring up slavery being in DC and Maryland/PG people act shocked. But, thanks for informing people about the long history of this event.
latione2009 it shows how desensitized people are (some) not all !!! I live in Virginia and Thomas Jefferson is glamorized here and his home was built by slaves and he owned slaves and many people here see him as a hero 🤷♀️it’s sad 😔
This is why history needs to be taught in schools! People are so forgetful and insensitive that I bet, in a few decades, people start thinking of doing this bafoonery at the 9-11 memorial!
Look up what is called “the lost cause” and “daughters of the confederacy” These people were taught about their history, but what they were taught was a whole bunch of lies in order to erase what happened on these plantations in order to make it seem not as evil as it truly was.
@@AriannaSimien You are so right. I heard from a co-worker the Texas McGraw school textbooks they are now calling the Transatlantic Slave Trade the Transatlantic Slave Cruise. They are not calling them slaves but indentured servants. They are trying to minimize the fuckery that went on, it's crazy.
@@sosweetsike That must be a one time thing, because we still call it the Transatlantic Slave Trade, and the difference and history between indentured servants and slaves is still prominently taught.
People be hypocritical all the time. Just look at all the people who visit many countries in the middle east. As long as its not them they DGAF. People go on holiday in the Maldives, some get married and around the corner someone is getting beaten by the state. And thats today. not yesterday.
Long story short...horrible things happened in these places. Why are people celebrating and enjoying a day in a place where such brutal things occurred.
The same reason Tyler Perry chose to build his studio on an old Confederate site. A place can have a terrible past but you can create something beautiful and meaningful on a site that once embraced evil.
Joanna Aniela lets be honest the only people who would find EITHER place visually appealing knowing the history have to be white supremacists. No sane person would find either place appealing knowing the history🤷♀️
@@jessiccaroonie7289 Exactly! In my mind a plantation is like a cemetery but worse. People got tortured, killed and raped there. That's not a happy place.
@@joannasaadati8810 think about what you said... these plantations were where the slave owners and their family lived as well. So yeh, it was "visually" appealing then - just like now. However, the visuals and the actual reality of what it was hasnt changed either. Just because these plantations don't look as bad, doesn't mean it wasn't as bad
My mom dated a guy that refused to live in a neighborhood with the word "plantation" anywhere in it. I agree with it. I have issues with those long porches that look like a plantation. So I get it. I wouldn't either.
My family used to vacation in Hilton Head, SC when I was a kid, and all of the large neighborhoods are called "plantations" (i.e. Sea Pines Plantation, Port Royal Plantation, etc.). The solid majority of the housing options there are within these plantations, so it's hard to avoid them if you want to stay on the island. It's so gross.
I’m so happy Pinterest won’t promote these weddings. I saw a wedding sign post on Pinterest a few years ago that said “Hope you have a cotton-picking good time” I was absolutely disgusted.
So what are you saying? that people shouldn't have wedding s in America or that we should just dismiss having a wedding on a plantation as wrong because the whole of America is a ground of bad history anyway?
Ask yourself this: Would I have or attend a wedding at a Jewish internment camp site in Germany (or at Hitler's many beautiful "historic" homes), especially if you're of German ancestry of the people that put the Jews there? Why would you? I'm not PC and I live in the south. I've gone to plantations that have been in many movies, and a plantation is right down the road from me. Is it a part of history? Yes. Should it be erased? No. Are some really beautiful? Yes. But, beneath the beauty is pain of stories that many white folks would rather glamorize and revision than admit what actually went on there.
Agreed. Living in South Carolina if you are rich and lived on a historical plantation or a fancy house that looks like one you would typically have your wedding there. If it ain't a church then its that.
When white people think of the worse crimes on humanity they think about the Holocaust, slavery isn’t on their radar, and the slaughter of the indigenous people isn’t either. You might want to compare people’s struggles to create empathy but people don’t care until it’s about their own pain. There are gay racists, sexist gays, there are racist women, there are racist jews, you’d think surely you of all people would understand because you’ve been oppressed, nope.
I could possibly understand this if the couple was black since slaves weren’t allowed to get married, their families weren’t validated, and were brutally dehumanized. So being a black couple capable of having a beautiful celebration that shows how far we’ve come I feel is almost a slap in the face to the bigots and racists still around which is an accomplishment for black peaople. That’s just my opinion though.
@@nope.4254 Yes, i think that would be quite odd. Plantations should be treated like museums - places of LEARNING. Not a place to celebrate what is supposed to be a JOYOUS event!
That being sed, I feel like all black couples should be getting married there, being that we are the children of the survivors. No one else should marry there, not even interracial couples unless the other non black person is biracial with black
Heard this arguement before and don't agree. Our Jewish brothers and sister don't hold weddings or bunches on Concentration Camp grounds and its due to the history that transpired there. Germany is not perfect but at least they recognize what horriable tragedies took place on those grounds (daily rape, murder, beatings, etc.) the same tragedies occured on plantations! America loves to dismiss and downplay our biggest sin, enslavement. This idea of holding a celebration on a Former Forced Enslaved Camp (does not sound so cute when you call it what it is) plays into that narrative that it was not a horrific place! Advocacy groups are fighting this narrative. This is NOT nor will it ever be the hot spot for descendants of enslaved couples. White couples (majority of the people) getting married at these sites are not respecting the history. We don't reclaim a narrative on our grave sites🙄 Its plain disrespectful.
I'll say what I said on my FB: these same people getting married at these kinda of places (in this particular case, plantations with slavery history), wouldn't have a problem getting married at a concentration if it looked pretty enough.
They would but the reason why they do not is because it is NOT allowed or accepted normal behavior. We don't have to made it acceptable normal behavior here.
I think it is a new time and age. And although we shouldn’t forget about history, I think it’s time to start taking the negative connotations and replacing them with a fresh start.
@@danielaachury7095 Yea, you can do that with words but not with FACTS. The history associated with these plantations are not going to change. The wrong narrative was printed from the start (thanks Confederate society) that theses are just old nostalgic buildings were people just toast to new beginnings while COMPLETING ignoring the past trauma and torture experienced on the very same grounds. Our society NEVER ask any our tragic past (but slavary) to "move on". Recognizing and respecting the past helps us move on. America has major issues b/c we NEVER fully recognized the impact of this. We love to ignore or gloss over the terrible impact of slavery. We respect burial grounds, concentration camps, why not forced enslaved camps b/c that is what plantatations where. There are millions of places Former Enslaved Decedents and others can celebrate, plantations will NEVER be idea nor should they be!
jgreening no......screw saying "no offense", ...THIS IS OFFENSIVE WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND PROMOTING. Humans have literally gone insane, this is horrible.
@@sooooperonce you travel more, even within the states, you see each area has its own subculture with its own varying values. I'm not from an area that was established all that long ago in comparison. These ladies were not raised on the south, I'm glad someone who lives there said something about how it is there
jgreening I feel for my folk living in Mississippi. The way some of the white people down there act just because you’re black? Disgusting. My sister nearly sued the TSA down there.
So true. And I always roll my eyes or just have to walk away when hear about someone having a wedding at a damn plantation 🙄. I'm from MS too, I had to comment on this.
I think that if we are honest there is a double standard involved with this topic. I am African-American and have African- American friends and family members that have had their weddings at a plantation. Their reason is to pay hommage, as the descendant of a slave, to their ancestors that were not allowed the same graceful or honorable ceremonies.
I was a makeup artist specializing in bridal makeup and I had clients whom where African american and chose to have their wedding on a plantation. It was indeed a gorgeous and very secluded venue. However there were many in the bridal party that where upset about the venue and it was a disaster as the location was not known to the entire bridal party and guests until the week of the wedding. So many emotions and no-shows because of the history of the place. I felt awful for the bride and groom but it was insensitive.
Penniesjourney 4lyfe I can’t feel sorry for them cause they should have known better. Like how can anyone be happy when they’re standing on land where people were beaten , raped , tortured and killed ? I guarantee you there are unmarked graves of slaves all over that land . Like i just can’t, i can not .
@@foreverlibra93 oh I completely agree with you! They actually changed the location from their original venue and it added on 2 hours drive time for us. And when we arrived a few of the girls on my beauty team were PISSED! Its such a sad history to capitalize on.
Let's continue with your logic. Slavery was legal in the U.S. so why have any weddings within the boundaries of the U.S.? NO state dinner at the White House too because it was built by slaves. No more wearing clothes made of cotton.
Have u all noticed that what has become quite 'common in the south' is almost always found 2 be inhumane, sickening, irresponsible , barbaric and even sadistic ANY PLACE ELSE? TH
Wow so sad really liked her from gossip girl welp I never idolized these celebrities so this really isn’t a shocker but it’s just sad people choose to remain ignorant
It’s symbolic for death do us part. Actually, if you think of all the humans that have lived throughout history, the entire Earth is essentially a graveyard.
More like having a wedding at Auschwitz. Grave yards are a universal part of life. Plantations were sites of targeted, systematic and government sanctioned brutality. They're sites specifically made to carry out horrific human rights violations.
I’m from the south. In Louisiana a lot of people here get married on plantations. It’s a normal thing from where I’m from. A lot of people even live next door to plantations.
And I remember one time coming home from Florida back to Chicago Illinois and I’m almost out of gas ⛽️ funny thing is the only gas station was named ...plantation gasoline station!😫 I said oh no 🤦🏽♂️ I’m latino they will do us just like black “many Latino have black in the too FYI” idc what anyone says I was scared it’s dark as hell in the middle of no where 🤣🤣🤣💯
I could not enjoy my day knowing I'm standing on the ground where enslaved people once toiled so hard. It's shocking how much is looked over an romanticised about one of the worst things in history. People still believe that slaves were well fed and house slaves even liked their owners. Yikes.
A few years ago, I traveled with my bff and her sister to South Carolina to go to a wedding. We didn’t know it was on a friggen plantation. To make matters worse, this was a BLACK wedding y’all. Just have to make that part known.🤦🏽♀️ Smdh The grounds were absolutely beautiful, but the energy surrounding this place had me so uncomfortable and so uneasy. I couldn’t get through that day fast enough. I’ll never forget as we were leaving, I was looking out the window and in this field off to the far left, I saw 5 or 6 small shacks lined up next to one another. I cannot say for sure, but I wondered to myself if those were “lived” in once upon a time. That trip weighed heavy on my soul for a long while after that.
Nothing wrong with it. People like to exaggerate and be dramatic about everything. You do you. May God bless your union and may you be happier than all of these hypocrites judging you.
Listen I’m black And I get it ,. Why would u wanna do anything there where something like that happened their reading too much into this but honestly I dnt even think it’s about tot being a historical landmark, I see Plantation houses all the time as wedding venues just bc homes are not built that way anymore an ppl love the idea of having their dream day there.. furthermore ppl are having more an more night weddings and the lights look nice on the yard of the plantation.. even if you open up wedding magazines to see “beautiful venues “ most of them or the best ones are at plantation houses they may not be a historical landmark but it still a plantation house an to be completely truthful I think their gorgeous too, an too tell someone they shouldn’t get married there or w.e bc of what happened in history is obsurb. That means Telling someone they Probly have to spend more money depending on where they are to go somewhere else to avoid goin where they want. So I think as long as u remember that yes that happened then getting married there is not disrespectful. I think the fact that we as a human race of ppl that are trying to move forward an remember history an not repeat it an we keep bringing it up just to have something to talk about it disrespectful...this really isn’t new
No, this subject matter isn't new but it is now being discussed b/c advocacy groups have spent YEARS fighting to change one of biggest deceitful narratives created in America, that the brutal practice of America enslavement was "not that bad". Groups like The Daughters of the Confederate have gloried plantation life since slavery ended. Looking deeper planatations are literally the MAIN represented location NOT Wall Street, Bourbon street, churches, The Pyramids (just some of the places people tried to compare plantations to) where DAILY torture, murder, rape, not to mention physical and emotional abuse occurred for Enslaved Americans. It was THE concentrated spot where most Enslaved Americans experienced horrific trauma. In history we rarly continue to gorify sites with similar terrible past history nor would we ever conceive promoting them as just another "nostalgic" wedding venues but with this particular group and subject matter, we do? So, no people don't love to bring up the past or are being "disrespectful" but America's past sins will continue to resurface and be discussed b/c we NEVER got it right in the beginning. The groups are fighting decades of warped deep systematic mindset that even the known physical location of said trauma "is not that bad." The Real should have done a better job of explaining. They are not trying to restrict anyones freedom to wed on a Former Forced Enslavement site (do you) but they are fighting to change the narrative. Planatations will NO longer be able to just gloss over their horrific history and the wedding couples who chose this venue will be forced to take pause which was not happening before.
Honestly, if it's someone else's wedding, why is that anyone's business? Plantations now are just remnants of something that no longer exists. They carry the memories now, but memories don't necessarily override current function. Today, that plantation is just a beautiful piece of property. I don't see how this would be any different from someone wanting a wedding at a graveyard (yes, it's happened), having a spooky party at a decrepit asylum, or taking selfies at famous celeb death locations (there are entire bus tours in CA for that). All of those places carry a dark past, one ppl still alive today may have real connections to (from loved ones, or personal experience). True, in some situations land or places are declared historically preserved sites, or sacred. But I don't think locations can be determined 'wrong to visit' solely on the the horribleness that occurred there. Do we even know how many slaughters, brutal violence, or appalling events happened on the land we now occupy, the parks we enjoy, the places we find beautiful? If plantations are off limits because of the demented history they have, then we need to go back and assess all the things that may have happened (black slavery included) on all the land we walk..... I'm sure some native Americans could make that argument on plenty land we wouldn't think twice about.
I’ve been talking about this since last year when one of my teacher’s daughters was married on a plantation. & this was a civics & economics teacher that acted like she’s all for equal rights & blah blah. Sad👎🏾
Bravo, ladies! I'm horrified at the mere thought of people doing this. What kind of person doesn't feel the suffering that still lives in these places? The evil that took place there? Thank you for bringing this to the attention of Americans.
Agreed. I live down the bayou. I'm not from here but many of my friends that I met have all gotten married on a plantation and get photos taken with there family to out on their Christmas Cards.
I'd like to bring another perspective to this conversation. If my future husband could trace his roots to a plantation like many people have, and he wanted the wedding at this plantation to honor his ancestors that overcame such a terrible history I would have no problem with getting married on a plantation.
I’m not disagreeing with the topic but I wish they had more intellectually diverse cohosts. I feel every time I watched them, they are rephrase each others answers.
@@sadieann1036 Subdivided land? This is America, land that was earned by blacks were often stolen later. Recognition of what occured on these former enslaved camps is not extreme. People can still get married on these sites they just will not be allowed to dismiss it as just an old beautiful building. Its more then that.
Yea same here from Jamaica. I also see how they don't realise that many beautiful churches, hotels and mansions were also linked to people deep in the slave trade. I know my ancestors would be proud that I have the privilege of getting married in a place where they never could.
I appreciate this insight. I can't say I agree with what Caribbeans are saying here, but it's an eyeopener. I wouldn't have my wedding on a plantation the same way I wouldn't at a cemetery or a concentration camp. I think if plantations need to exist, it should be for educational purposes only.
How can they just overlook that like it’s nothing??! Of all the beautiful places on this planet why WHY would you choose a plantation??!! SMH 🤦🏻♀️ That would be like getting married where my Armenian ancestors were massacred.
Exactly. People are racist and don't see the black people who have suffered on those plantations as humans. They are still slaves to them who are worthy of like 2 dollars. Who would get married in the house of Anne Frank? People are sick!
Very common in the South. I’m from the suburbs of Atlanta and this is commonplace. I admit I had never thought about the harm and pain it actually represents and feel ashamed for my ignorance to it. I’m Happy discussions like this are brought to the table though, so everyone can fully understand its deep meaning and what it has represented in the past and take that into account in present day. Thanks for sharing to the ladies of The Real! My eyes are certainly opened. 😕
They got married their because of the beautiful scenery not because of the historical significance. They wanted a southern wedding most likely and plantation homes are a symbol of the south. It all has to do with the scenery of the place I'm pretty sure they have no idea it seems disrespectful they are probably only thinking of how pretty it look and that the architecture fits their wedding idea.
A plantation's primary function was a forced labor camp where people weren't just forced into labor but tortured, raped, beat, given less than the bare minimum to exist, murdered, etc. The horror that African Americans faced on these lands can't be ignored.
i live in barbados and this is VERY COMMON. i’ve almost never been to a wedding that wasn’t in a plantation. black and white people do it. people live there. idk it’s just a building
Like Loni said, it's like getting married in a graveyard or even the site of a battle. Lots of dead, mutilated bodies right under the places where you are walking. It takes a pretty sick-minded person to want to get married in a place like that!
American Creole i disagree i feel like if you went about boycotting anything that has gruesome history or caused something negative in the past you would have to stay indoors and do nothing. it’s just a party at a beautiful venue... stop trying to make it a thing.
@@alejandroashby6871 I agree with you. I don't think any of those people were for slavery or were ignorant because they had their wedding at the venue. I think they saw it as a beautiful building, which those homes are with the porches and columns.
Same in Saint Lucia, which is known as a honeymoon destination. We have churches, schools, and so much more on previous plantation grounds. With such small islands and the past of so many plantations on them, its inevitable that the land be reused for something.
I'll overlook the almost nonchalant comments regarding people from another countries (different history; attitutes) but really Americans? Your chosen to ignore the violent conditions Enslaved Americans suffered on these plantations. It is not just another venue. We have a history in America of dismissing the horrific mistreatment of Enslaved Americans as it not being that bad and it was!
Actually anyone who wants to do this are actually showing their true characters that’s all When someone show you there colors See them for the shades they show JMTS BE BLESSED LOVE WE NEED
So glad you ladies are talking about this. Here in Barbados old plantations are like the most common places to get married and it’s pretty heart breaking. A 95% black place and a just brush over that history 😔
The issue is not that "people" want to get married on plantations. The issue is that white people, who were able to get married wherever from the beginning of time, are choosing to do this on a plantation where black individuals died, were raped, and treated as chattel. That's the issue.
"People dont care.." exactly loni, U have to be souless to see a plantation as just a beautiful place to have ur wedding and disregard the atrocity that took place there
I live in Cali and I’m sure we don’t have plantations or a very few of them. Do people in other states get married on a plantation, do they KNOW the brutal history that happened (on average)? Or are couples clueless and we are shaming them for not knowing the history? 🤔 keep in mind I’m not from a state where slavery occurred so truthfully I’m not as educated on slavery as opposed to people living in the south.
Leibnizth M It almost always has the name “Plantation” somewhere because they are huge estates and believe me they know it’s a former plantation they just don’t care.
The KNOW. These estates are still owned by the same families from over 300 years ago! And they are still called ____ Plantation!! I just did my research on it
For some reason I keep wondering.. What if the venue was being used as a wedding venue to celebrate for black couples to celebrate black love in honor of the slaves that were buried there whom did not have the opportunity of having a wedding due to being enslaved at the time. I think if it was used in that sense, it would be acknowledging our history, honoring the slaves' sacrifices and celebrating being able to celebrating black marriages
Jews don't honor their ancestors by having weddings on "beautiful old" Concentration Camps or Native Americans on burial grounds, why should descendants of Enslaved American entertain giving money to the venues where their ancestors where tortured, raped, murdered, and experienced daily physical and mental abuse. Hard pass! It plays into the narrative this American tragedy was not that bad and IT WAS far from that!
I love every perspective shared by the host. I would like to add that the bride and groom probably do not have any interracial couples or black friends with a strong enough voice.
My aunt and uncle got married on a plantation in the Caribbean, they are both black, we all are. I was confused at time, but it was wonderful to put positive energy back in a place like that... as Tyler Perry has done. We were there freely, by choice, celebrating.
This is a conversation taking us backwards. We are focusing on one place of horror while ignoring all other places these actions were taking place. If a planner is looking for a venue where something horrible didn't happen or didn't have a connection to a person who did horrible things, they would still be looking. Weddings are packaged into a fantasy of oppulence and fairy tale celebration making the bride and groom "king" and "queen" for a day. And a plantation house is for some people a symbol of that lifestyle that is sold in a wedding package. What we forget is that every show of oppulence and fairy tale celebration is made at the systematic explotation and destruction of others.
I agree if you think your going to venue that has nothing to do with slavery prolly wanna think again. 🤷🏽♀️ the great grandfathers of the beautiful venues probably had slaves !
But the difference is, the plantation was a strategic symbol of slavery. Yes bad things happen everywhere, but the plantation was where slavery legally and institutionally took place. I see where you're going but... please understand the context here.
I could hug you. You must be one of the only sane commenters here. I mean churches, old hotels and beautiful mansions didn't just appear out of thin air. Someone had to have money to build them and I can guarantee that they were often linked to slavery. The legacy of African slavery is so far and wide we don't even realise. Many properties will have some kind of ties to slavery, plantation owners often built churches, helped with contributing to community projects and had many vacation properties. The money still came from the atrocities of slavery so what's the difference with a plantation? These hosts really need to apply more critical thinking. I hardly watch them anymore as I feel I'm losing brain cells doing so.
1.) Let's not speak ill of the hosts. They are commenting on a topic that is going around now. Part of their job is to get attention. One way to do that is to comment on crazy things in the news. And if the comments section is anything to go by, it worked. 2.) Humans have been committing atrocities against each other for our entire history. Murder, human trafficking, rape, slavery, etc. still occur in the world today. And out in the open. These are by products of people wanting to be seen as "better" or "above" other people instead of equals. Focusing on a symbol of that attitude from history is turing a blind eye to its existence today.
Im from the south and always found this to be weird. Because its “charming” and “beautiful”....how about NOT. Its been so normalized ... but its just disgusting in my opinion.
I Live in Mississippi and they have Weddings at Plantations all the time here in Mississippi and Louisiana. It’s totally normal. It’s beautiful there and people want a beautiful place for marriage. My Aunt married at one of the most beautiful plantations in Louisiana. It’s not an issue here
How does this differs from reserving a venue at a National Park/National forest where Native Americans used to live and were also raped/ murdered and kicked out of? Nobody bats an eye, or even thinks of or tries to cancel. I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to marry there either but what do they expect the owners to do with these places? At the same time period lots of affluent families had slaves, now their properties had also become bed and breakfast establishments or made into museums where people can also reserve a venue. There is a ranch where I live, people get married there all the time and nearby there is even a separate building where "servants" used to sleep. Nobody cares about these ranches because they don't have the name "plantation" in it. Like do they want these beautiful buildings to be destroyed and a fence be put around it for that land to be never be able to be used? Just to be clear, I think slavery was and is a horrible inhuman act. However my point is, people seem to get specially infuriated when couples get married at plantations and ignore all the other current venues where slavery also existed.
Loni took the words right out of my mouth when she was saying it's the same as getting married at a camp. I was about to comment the same thing. I'm white though so I feel like I don't have a say, but it disgusts me. It would feel to me like I was desecrating something
I have a hard time with the word plantation. They have a lot of plantations in South Carolina. I USED to watch that show Southern charm. It creeps me out.
Agreed. I'm jamaican and I'm having my wedding at a greathouse in Jamaica. I didn't even give it a second thought. As Caribbean people we are the majority. We own the land and use as we see fit. A lot of the issues that fetter our African American brothers and sisters don't burden us. Race relations continue to devolve in the US. I completely understand how it is seen as inappropriate. In many respects slavery still lives on in the US.
Plantation homes are beautiful. I would never want to live in one or get married on one, but if I ever came into a large amount of money I would love to have a home that looks that way without the tainted history.
Nobody is thinking about the history/past most times when choosing a venue. I got married on the site of an old plantation property Tryall Jamaica, where there's a water wheel that was used to juice sugar etc. Its a beautiful place and has a rustic air about it n that's exactly why I chose it. It's now a hotel with a world renowned golf course.While I'm conscious about acts meted out to my ancestors on plantations such as this, it's more about the new chapter of life and joy that you choose to embrace. I certainly was not thinking about slavery on my wedding day while I was there. People have become overly sensitive about everything.
Have everyone forgotten about native Americans and the hell they went through? If it comes to that people are not going to have weddings anywhere, because they were slaughtered everywhere 🤷🏻♂️
Exactly people were slaughtered right where we live! This is dumb as hell. They wanna keep it contained to “these people were slaughtered in this spot”
I visited Boone Hall in Charleston, SC...the infamous plantation where Blake Lively & Ryan Reynolds got married, and where scenes of the Notebook were shot. Let me tell you, yes the grounds are beautiful, they have a beautiful garden, and that long driveway with the oak trees looks just like a movie. However, they still have 9 of the original slave cabins, and the energy of pain and death is very present in the air. Couldn't be me. But I think we care in a way others may not, because it's personal to us.
I traveled all the way from Upstate New York to attend a wedding that took place there on April 7, 2017. Since I took the ferry over to Fort Sumter the day after, I now feel ashamed of myself to not only have attended that wedding, but also have an adventurous spirit, since that was my own personal reason why I was admittedly lucky to travel down to Charleston to go through those experiences, mainly because I dread the possibility of coming off as disrespectful. Man, just mentioning that makes me no wonder I decided to be celibate!
Who is this “We” culture they are referring too that forgets about Slavery!?!? I’m reminded on the daily what my ancestors went through and the injustice people of my race still go through!!!
I love Adrienne now more than ever. this non-black girl GETS it. "You're choosing to have a wedding where people have been raped and murder..." So many times people on television try to minimize the human rights crimes committed against black Americans. What happen to black Americans was a Holocaust that endure for CENTURIES: kidnapping, beatings., torture, scarring, child molestation, forced labor, Nazi-like medical "experiments", etc. Keep speaking truth to power.
That's so disturbing and what Jeannie and Loni said is sad but true, they don't care especially if they see a venue that looks good in pictures and reasonably priced.
"People don't care." Loni hit the nail on the head
but she filmed a movie on a plantation..obviously she didn't care either
jennifer c that’s a movie not a wedding
jennifer c you’ve never seen a movie on history before?
@@jasmeengurm751 yeah, and they use historical landmarks, i.e. plantations, to give a realistic feel..just like people do with their weddings and plantations! If you can film a movie on one (voluntarily), you can also have your wedding on one!
@@britbritnicole what's the difference?? she voluntarily filmed a movie on a plantation to make money..people are using plantations for their weddings to make memories..in my opinion, both are wrong..but I'm here to point out LONNIE'S hypocrisy!
Thank you for bringing light to this issue. I live in the south & many find it charming. It’s DISGUSTING to have celebrations at plantations.
Chelee I am from the north and never heard of it. It’s disgusting
I live in the DMV.
And it happens a lot, like you said, and it's not a new trend. Apparently, everyone is just finding out about it.
I took a class, a long time ago, that had us visit three plantations and at every plantation, the staff told us that they cater to weddings. They gave up business cards and showed us pictures of past weddings and my classmates and I kept wondering how can anyone have wedding at a plantation.
There was a portrait in one of the rooms that just freaked me out.
At one of the plantations, my classmates and I had an honest conversation with our professor and the staff about how we disagreed with weddings being at the plantation and they were honest with us, they stated that that's how most plantations stayed in business because that's were most of their money comes from.
For me, plantations are learning tools. Although my majors were criminology and psychology, I took every class on African American studies I could. But, when I tell other African Americans to visit plantations and to learn about our ancestor they refuse. While I disagree with weddings being on plantations, I want plantations, which I defined as a museum of history (even if the history is tragic) to still remain open.
And while I find this disgusting too, I also think that Black/African Americans should visit plantations more and learn about slavery. Also, honestly everyone should visit plantations.
Those 3 visits further my education and understand of what my grandfather's grandfather went through. Those visits were hard, but I'm glad I did them.
Anyways, you grew up with this knowledge of plantation weddings, I learned about it when I was in my 20s. And in my twenties, I had a hard time understanding it and I still do. I started working at a new job, and I told my coworkers about the plantation and that it was not that far from us, and they had no clue.
DC is across the street from me, literally, and most people in the DMV area forget that slavery existed here. And the funny part about it is that my aunt lives in SE down the street from the Frederick Douglass house/museum. But, when I bring up slavery being in DC and Maryland/PG people act shocked.
But, thanks for informing people about the long history of this event.
I live in the south as well and the history
Is appalling it’s sad 😔
I live in Georgia and this has been a norm. I’m actually shocked that other people are shocked that it’s a thing.
latione2009 it shows how desensitized people are (some) not all !!! I live in Virginia and Thomas Jefferson is glamorized here and his home was built by slaves and he owned slaves and many people here see him as a hero 🤷♀️it’s sad 😔
This is why history needs to be taught in schools! People are so forgetful and insensitive that I bet, in a few decades, people start thinking of doing this bafoonery at the 9-11 memorial!
It is taught in school, people just don't listen, respect history or care!
Look up what is called “the lost cause” and “daughters of the confederacy” These people were taught about their history, but what they were taught was a whole bunch of lies in order to erase what happened on these plantations in order to make it seem not as evil as it truly was.
@@AriannaSimien You are so right. I heard from a co-worker the Texas McGraw school textbooks they are now calling the Transatlantic Slave Trade the Transatlantic Slave Cruise. They are not calling them slaves but indentured servants. They are trying to minimize the fuckery that went on, it's crazy.
@@sosweetsike That must be a one time thing, because we still call it the Transatlantic Slave Trade, and the difference and history between indentured servants and slaves is still prominently taught.
People be hypocritical all the time. Just look at all the people who visit many countries in the middle east. As long as its not them they DGAF. People go on holiday in the Maldives, some get married and around the corner someone is getting beaten by the state. And thats today. not yesterday.
Long story short...horrible things happened in these places. Why are people celebrating and enjoying a day in a place where such brutal things occurred.
because...white
jackmcc701 this whole country is a horrible place
People don't care
who cares?
The same reason Tyler Perry chose to build his studio on an old Confederate site. A place can have a terrible past but you can create something beautiful and meaningful on a site that once embraced evil.
And would you have a wedding at Auschwitz?
Auschwitz still is set up like it was during the war so there's no visual appeal there but the energy would be the same for sure.
Joanna Aniela lets be honest the only people who would find EITHER place visually appealing knowing the history have to be white supremacists. No sane person would find either place appealing knowing the history🤷♀️
@@jessiccaroonie7289 Exactly! In my mind a plantation is like a cemetery but worse. People got tortured, killed and raped there. That's not a happy place.
there’s an attitude of “holocaust, never forget” but “slavery, get over it”
@@joannasaadati8810 think about what you said... these plantations were where the slave owners and their family lived as well. So yeh, it was "visually" appealing then - just like now. However, the visuals and the actual reality of what it was hasnt changed either.
Just because these plantations don't look as bad, doesn't mean it wasn't as bad
My mom dated a guy that refused to live in a neighborhood with the word "plantation" anywhere in it. I agree with it. I have issues with those long porches that look like a plantation. So I get it. I wouldn't either.
My family used to vacation in Hilton Head, SC when I was a kid, and all of the large neighborhoods are called "plantations" (i.e. Sea Pines Plantation, Port Royal Plantation, etc.). The solid majority of the housing options there are within these plantations, so it's hard to avoid them if you want to stay on the island. It's so gross.
I could not either, the fact the name is utilized at gas stations, street names, and communities baffles me.
Smart man.
Boss Lady same here. I will not live in any place that has the word plantation in it
@@lexi219
Wow!! That's insane.
The ancestors still live there and trust me they're not happy
Amber girl!!! Facts!
Death freed most of them, none of my ancestors are still there
@@Shamonsnipes what I pray
Agree
And everyday more ‘ancestors’ are brutally killed and raped. Bones everywhere.
I’m so happy Pinterest won’t promote these weddings. I saw a wedding sign post on Pinterest a few years ago that said “Hope you have a cotton-picking good time” I was absolutely disgusted.
Oh my gee! I am literally gasping at these comments abt ppl having plantation weddings and actually incorporating cotton into their theme!!! 😲😲😲
Blake lively and Ryan Reynolds had their wedding at a plantation, they should’ve mentioned that.
The Real should have, indeed.
With all the money they have, they could have gone anywhere.
I'm sure they didn't wanna be in drama or they would have been mobbed/canceled by gossip girl/ dead pools fans
WHATTTTTT They got married where?
Maya LivingLavish girl yess, that’s why Blake lovely is kinda problematic and no one talks about it
Angel O E soo now they don’t wanna be real? Please hahahha
Meanwhile, Indigenous Americans are like, "Girl, this country is a plantation! This whole country is a cemetery!"
Best comment here
Amen.
So what are you saying? that people shouldn't have wedding s in America or that we should just dismiss having a wedding on a plantation as wrong because the whole of America is a ground of bad history anyway?
The indigenous people are the ones who killed each other multiple times too before the brits
Then be down for the cause when people march instead of complaining.
i swear i get more and more disgusted with society everyday
Same. SMH
Exactly
Girl me too
Anna Smith disgusted.
People just don't respect the sacredness of places anymore.
Ask yourself this: Would I have or attend a wedding at a Jewish internment camp site in Germany (or at Hitler's many beautiful "historic" homes), especially if you're of German ancestry of the people that put the Jews there? Why would you? I'm not PC and I live in the south. I've gone to plantations that have been in many movies, and a plantation is right down the road from me. Is it a part of history? Yes. Should it be erased? No. Are some really beautiful? Yes. But, beneath the beauty is pain of stories that many white folks would rather glamorize and revision than admit what actually went on there.
I say let them get married. Karma will take care of it. It would be their own undoing
Amen to that
Those are unrested spirit
and God will take care of karma
Married at plantation for 10 yrs, having a great life with my family 😂 but nice try tho, stay mad
@@jasamkojajesam6108 no one cares about your cheap wedding clarol.
Unfortunately this isn't new. Just wrong and disgusting.
You forgot disrespectful.
Agreed. Living in South Carolina if you are rich and lived on a historical plantation or a fancy house that looks like one you would typically have your wedding there. If it ain't a church then its that.
@@jonniehickson5599 Having a wedding at a museum is disrespectful.
There are other beautiful places to get married. Why would you want to get married somewhere that's a place of torture and sadness?
Its THEIR wedding they have the right to choose
casey mart That wasn’t the question. The question is simply: why would they want to?
@@caseymart5737 Answer the question. WHY?
That’s the seeds they wish to sow. A place of torture and sorrow = their marriage. 🥴🥴
@@caseymart5737 lol what a ridiculous human being u are. I hope u don't have children with that disgusting, insensitive, self titled behavior.
It’s just like someone having a wedding where people were tortured like where the holocaust were like why would someone want to do that?
Exactly
Kirsty Birsty Bye girl
Exactly it’s a people’s holocaust, why?
When white people think of the worse crimes on humanity they think about the Holocaust, slavery isn’t on their radar, and the slaughter of the indigenous people isn’t either. You might want to compare people’s struggles to create empathy but people don’t care until it’s about their own pain. There are gay racists, sexist gays, there are racist women, there are racist jews, you’d think surely you of all people would understand because you’ve been oppressed, nope.
Babygirl95 this is exactly what I was thinking. Do we call concentration camps beautiful venues?? 🤔 disgusting
I could possibly understand this if the couple was black since slaves weren’t allowed to get married, their families weren’t validated, and were brutally dehumanized. So being a black couple capable of having a beautiful celebration that shows how far we’ve come I feel is almost a slap in the face to the bigots and racists still around which is an accomplishment for black peaople. That’s just my opinion though.
Yeah it's like taking back power
@@nope.4254 Yes, i think that would be quite odd. Plantations should be treated like museums - places of LEARNING. Not a place to celebrate what is supposed to be a JOYOUS event!
That being sed, I feel like all black couples should be getting married there, being that we are the children of the survivors. No one else should marry there, not even interracial couples unless the other non black person is biracial with black
agreed
Heard this arguement before and don't agree. Our Jewish brothers and sister don't hold weddings or bunches on Concentration Camp grounds and its due to the history that transpired there. Germany is not perfect but at least they recognize what horriable tragedies took place on those grounds (daily rape, murder, beatings, etc.) the same tragedies occured on plantations! America loves to dismiss and downplay our biggest sin, enslavement. This idea of holding a celebration on a Former Forced Enslaved Camp (does not sound so cute when you call it what it is) plays into that narrative that it was not a horrific place! Advocacy groups are fighting this narrative. This is NOT nor will it ever be the hot spot for descendants of enslaved couples. White couples (majority of the people) getting married at these sites are not respecting the history. We don't reclaim a narrative on our grave sites🙄 Its plain disrespectful.
I'll say what I said on my FB: these same people getting married at these kinda of places (in this particular case, plantations with slavery history), wouldn't have a problem getting married at a concentration if it looked pretty enough.
They would but the reason why they do not is because it is NOT allowed or accepted normal behavior. We don't have to made it acceptable normal behavior here.
SephiraRaziel Doubt it. White people detach from slavery but empathize with the Holocaust.
I think it is a new time and age. And although we shouldn’t forget about history, I think it’s time to start taking the negative connotations and replacing them with a fresh start.
@@danielaachury7095 Yea, you can do that with words but not with FACTS. The history associated with these plantations are not going to change. The wrong narrative was printed from the start (thanks Confederate society) that theses are just old nostalgic buildings were people just toast to new beginnings while COMPLETING ignoring the past trauma and torture experienced on the very same grounds. Our society NEVER ask any our tragic past (but slavary) to "move on". Recognizing and respecting the past helps us move on. America has major issues b/c we NEVER fully recognized the impact of this. We love to ignore or gloss over the terrible impact of slavery. We respect burial grounds, concentration camps, why not forced enslaved camps b/c that is what plantatations where. There are millions of places Former Enslaved Decedents and others can celebrate, plantations will NEVER be idea nor should they be!
I’m from Mississippi it’s common, it’s always white people. No offense.
Im from Louisiana and the same thing here.
jgreening no......screw saying "no offense", ...THIS IS OFFENSIVE WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND PROMOTING. Humans have literally gone insane, this is horrible.
@@sooooperonce you travel more, even within the states, you see each area has its own subculture with its own varying values. I'm not from an area that was established all that long ago in comparison. These ladies were not raised on the south, I'm glad someone who lives there said something about how it is there
jgreening I feel for my folk living in Mississippi. The way some of the white people down there act just because you’re black? Disgusting. My sister nearly sued the TSA down there.
So true. And I always roll my eyes or just have to walk away when hear about someone having a wedding at a damn plantation 🙄. I'm from MS too, I had to comment on this.
Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively did that... 🤢
Yes and I have lost respect for them!
Really? That's disappointing.
Whooaaa thats super disappointing.
Wow I had no idea. That's super disappointing
Cancelled
I think that if we are honest there is a double standard involved with this topic. I am African-American and have African- American friends and family members that have had their weddings at a plantation. Their reason is to pay hommage, as the descendant of a slave, to their ancestors that were not allowed the same graceful or honorable ceremonies.
I was a makeup artist specializing in bridal makeup and I had clients whom where African american and chose to have their wedding on a plantation. It was indeed a gorgeous and very secluded venue. However there were many in the bridal party that where upset about the venue and it was a disaster as the location was not known to the entire bridal party and guests until the week of the wedding. So many emotions and no-shows because of the history of the place. I felt awful for the bride and groom but it was insensitive.
Penniesjourney 4lyfe I can’t feel sorry for them cause they should have known better. Like how can anyone be happy when they’re standing on land where people were beaten , raped , tortured and killed ? I guarantee you there are unmarked graves of slaves all over that land . Like i just can’t, i can not .
Penniesjourney 4lyfe I would no longer be a bridesmaid...nope
Glad you shared this. I just commented wondering how you get guests to come to a wedding at a plantation, it how they may feel.
@@foreverlibra93 oh I completely agree with you! They actually changed the location from their original venue and it added on 2 hours drive time for us. And when we arrived a few of the girls on my beauty team were PISSED! Its such a sad history to capitalize on.
@@BriaBarrows 2 of the brides made left and the grandmother of the bride refused to be there. It was a terrible start for a couple vow their
nuptials
This is SO disrespectful and dis-tasteful.
Let's continue with your logic. Slavery was legal in the U.S. so why have any weddings within the boundaries of the U.S.? NO state dinner at the White House too because it was built by slaves. No more wearing clothes made of cotton.
@@ednakelley814 Preach!
Very common in the south
So is poverty and low education levels so I can see why they would think this is smart 🙄
Have u all noticed that what has become quite 'common in the south' is almost always found 2 be inhumane, sickening, irresponsible , barbaric and even sadistic ANY PLACE ELSE? TH
Y'all are gonna leave us Southerners alone 😅😭
A Wedding on a Plantation, sponsored by Paula Deen.
Edward DeBrae and they jumping the broom 🧹 sike I dunno lol
And just for added shxxts and giggles let’s make all “the help” ..
Edward DeBrae ... no you didn’t! 🤣
This took me out 💀😂
I would be there. That Paula Deen makes delicious food.
No one mentioned that the "golden couple" Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively got married on one.
mae64khlo how convenient huh?
Wow so sad really liked her from gossip girl welp I never idolized these celebrities so this really isn’t a shocker but it’s just sad people choose to remain ignorant
It’s like having a wedding on a graveyard, why? 🥴
It’s symbolic for death do us part.
Actually, if you think of all the humans that have lived throughout history, the entire Earth is essentially a graveyard.
@@BTMmarineLM I was about to write the same thing about the graveyard
I've seen pics of weddings in grave yards
More like having a wedding at Auschwitz. Grave yards are a universal part of life. Plantations were sites of targeted, systematic and government sanctioned brutality. They're sites specifically made to carry out horrific human rights violations.
@@BTMmarineLMthey’re white and that’s enough for them to stay away.
This is one of those times where FRIENDS and FAMILY are supposed to step in and put a stop to it, not fund it and/or not attend.
I’m from the south. In Louisiana a lot of people here get married on plantations. It’s a normal thing from where I’m from. A lot of people even live next door to plantations.
It’s their heritage. They will fight to keep their heritage even though they robbed others of theirs.
It's equivalent to getting married at a concentration camp SMH
I don’t even think I could go to the wedding 💯
And I remember one time coming home from Florida back to Chicago Illinois and I’m almost out of gas ⛽️ funny thing is the only gas station was named ...plantation gasoline station!😫 I said oh no 🤦🏽♂️ I’m latino they will do us just like black “many Latino have black in the too FYI” idc what anyone says I was scared it’s dark as hell in the middle of no where 🤣🤣🤣💯
I could not enjoy my day knowing I'm standing on the ground where enslaved people once toiled so hard. It's shocking how much is looked over an romanticised about one of the worst things in history. People still believe that slaves were well fed and house slaves even liked their owners. Yikes.
A few years ago, I traveled with my bff and her sister to South Carolina to go to a wedding. We didn’t know it was on a friggen plantation. To make matters worse, this was a BLACK wedding y’all. Just have to make that part known.🤦🏽♀️ Smdh
The grounds were absolutely beautiful, but the energy surrounding this place had me so uncomfortable and so uneasy. I couldn’t get through that day fast enough. I’ll never forget as we were leaving, I was looking out the window and in this field off to the far left, I saw 5 or 6 small shacks lined up next to one another. I cannot say for sure, but I wondered to myself if those were “lived” in once upon a time. That trip weighed heavy on my soul for a long while after that.
I wanted to have a wedding at a plantation. I'm black and dont see a problem with it. A lot of them are very beautiful places.
Same
Nothing wrong with it. People like to exaggerate and be dramatic about everything. You do you. May God bless your union and may you be happier than all of these hypocrites judging you.
Listen I’m black And I get it ,. Why would u wanna do anything there where something like that happened their reading too much into this but honestly I dnt even think it’s about tot being a historical landmark, I see Plantation houses all the time as wedding venues just bc homes are not built that way anymore an ppl love the idea of having their dream day there.. furthermore ppl are having more an more night weddings and the lights look nice on the yard of the plantation.. even if you open up wedding magazines to see “beautiful venues “ most of them or the best ones are at plantation houses they may not be a historical landmark but it still a plantation house an to be completely truthful I think their gorgeous too, an too tell someone they shouldn’t get married there or w.e bc of what happened in history is obsurb. That means Telling someone they Probly have to spend more money depending on where they are to go somewhere else to avoid goin where they want. So I think as long as u remember that yes that happened then getting married there is not disrespectful. I think the fact that we as a human race of ppl that are trying to move forward an remember history an not repeat it an we keep bringing it up just to have something to talk about it disrespectful...this really isn’t new
No, this subject matter isn't new but it is now being discussed b/c advocacy groups have spent YEARS fighting to change one of biggest deceitful narratives created in America, that the brutal practice of America enslavement was "not that bad". Groups like The Daughters of the Confederate have gloried plantation life since slavery ended. Looking deeper planatations are literally the MAIN represented location NOT Wall Street, Bourbon street, churches, The Pyramids (just some of the places people tried to compare plantations to) where DAILY torture, murder, rape, not to mention physical and emotional abuse occurred for Enslaved Americans. It was THE concentrated spot where most Enslaved Americans experienced horrific trauma. In history we rarly continue to gorify sites with similar terrible past history nor would we ever conceive promoting them as just another "nostalgic" wedding venues but with this particular group and subject matter, we do? So, no people don't love to bring up the past or are being "disrespectful" but America's past sins will continue to resurface and be discussed b/c we NEVER got it right in the beginning. The groups are fighting decades of warped deep systematic mindset that even the known physical location of said trauma "is not that bad." The Real should have done a better job of explaining. They are not trying to restrict anyones freedom to wed on a Former Forced Enslavement site (do you) but they are fighting to change the narrative. Planatations will NO longer be able to just gloss over their horrific history and the wedding couples who chose this venue will be forced to take pause which was not happening before.
Honestly, if it's someone else's wedding, why is that anyone's business? Plantations now are just remnants of something that no longer exists. They carry the memories now, but memories don't necessarily override current function. Today, that plantation is just a beautiful piece of property. I don't see how this would be any different from someone wanting a wedding at a graveyard (yes, it's happened), having a spooky party at a decrepit asylum, or taking selfies at famous celeb death locations (there are entire bus tours in CA for that). All of those places carry a dark past, one ppl still alive today may have real connections to (from loved ones, or personal experience).
True, in some situations land or places are declared historically preserved sites, or sacred. But I don't think locations can be determined 'wrong to visit' solely on the the horribleness that occurred there. Do we even know how many slaughters, brutal violence, or appalling events happened on the land we now occupy, the parks we enjoy, the places we find beautiful? If plantations are off limits because of the demented history they have, then we need to go back and assess all the things that may have happened (black slavery included) on all the land we walk..... I'm sure some native Americans could make that argument on plenty land we wouldn't think twice about.
I’ve been talking about this since last year when one of my teacher’s daughters was married on a plantation. & this was a civics & economics teacher that acted like she’s all for equal rights & blah blah. Sad👎🏾
Was she white?
Lex C. It was her teacher. The teachers daughter married on a plantation.
@@brenda.lizeth Does it fucking matter?
Bravo, ladies! I'm horrified at the mere thought of people doing this. What kind of person doesn't feel the suffering that still lives in these places? The evil that took place there? Thank you for bringing this to the attention of Americans.
This happens all the time in the south. Especially in Louisiana new Orleans area its just a way of life
Im from Louisiana and its normal down here. But its up us to stop making this normal
Agreed. I live down the bayou. I'm not from here but many of my friends that I met have all gotten married on a plantation and get photos taken with there family to out on their Christmas Cards.
Thank you! It's just a norm for us but it is up to us to not make it so!
Yeah just like it used to be normal to be a slave in Louisiana 😂
The "scenery" argument makes no sense.
I've been to some GORGEOUS cemeteries but I'm not trying to have a wedding in one. SMH
I'd like to bring another perspective to this conversation. If my future husband could trace his roots to a plantation like many people have, and he wanted the wedding at this plantation to honor his ancestors that overcame such a terrible history I would have no problem with getting married on a plantation.
"when it rlly is what we know it is" yasss jeannie
I’m not disagreeing with the topic but I wish they had more intellectually diverse cohosts. I feel every time I watched them, they are rephrase each others answers.
I agree with this
They definitely need to widen their horizons of knowledge and critical thinking.
@@themitochondrialeve738 None of them have Fulbright Scholar Appointments. If that's what u want then NPR might be a good start. Peace and love.
I agree as well
They have all the same opinions
Very common in Barbados.I'm not sure i look at it the way you guys do.
I am from Saint Lucia and we have so many plantations which have now become resorts and wedding venues. We don't really attach the same meaning to it.
I'm glad you both shared this. It seems odd to make it so extreme, like if it was ever subdivided people probably bought that land
@@sadieann1036 Subdivided land? This is America, land that was earned by blacks were often stolen later. Recognition of what occured on these former enslaved camps is not extreme. People can still get married on these sites they just will not be allowed to dismiss it as just an old beautiful building. Its more then that.
Yea same here from Jamaica. I also see how they don't realise that many beautiful churches, hotels and mansions were also linked to people deep in the slave trade. I know my ancestors would be proud that I have the privilege of getting married in a place where they never could.
I appreciate this insight. I can't say I agree with what Caribbeans are saying here, but it's an eyeopener. I wouldn't have my wedding on a plantation the same way I wouldn't at a cemetery or a concentration camp. I think if plantations need to exist, it should be for educational purposes only.
Wheww imagine how amanda would have passionately spoken on this......
I don’t like that bitch either
I need her back!
I'm really upset she's not on the show because she would've brought it REAL REEEEEEEEEAAAAAAL.
@@jakenyajones7268 She was a downer.
How can they just overlook that like it’s nothing??! Of all the beautiful places on this planet why WHY would you choose a plantation??!! SMH 🤦🏻♀️
That would be like getting married where my Armenian ancestors were massacred.
Exactly. People are racist and don't see the black people who have suffered on those plantations as humans. They are still slaves to them who are worthy of like 2 dollars.
Who would get married in the house of Anne Frank? People are sick!
Why start your "new beginnings" on the grounds of Forced Enslaved Camps (another name for former plantations)?
I’m from Canada and I didn’t understand the significant issue of having weddings on plantations until this video. Thank you for educating me.
That's 🧢
Honestly when spirits start showing up in your wedding photos. Don't run crying about it!
Very common in the South. I’m from the suburbs of Atlanta and this is commonplace. I admit I had never thought about the harm and pain it actually represents and feel ashamed for my ignorance to it. I’m Happy discussions like this are brought to the table though, so everyone can fully understand its deep meaning and what it has represented in the past and take that into account in present day. Thanks for sharing to the ladies of The Real! My eyes are certainly opened. 😕
Sure... let me just go get married Where thousands of men, women and children died in the hands of the slave owner ! #mericuh
Rocio Hernandez uh okay
They got married their because of the beautiful scenery not because of the historical significance. They wanted a southern wedding most likely and plantation homes are a symbol of the south. It all has to do with the scenery of the place I'm pretty sure they have no idea it seems disrespectful they are probably only thinking of how pretty it look and that the architecture fits their wedding idea.
Blake Lively got married at a plantation .... yikes she’s always rubbed me the wrong way
A plantation's primary function was a forced labor camp where people weren't just forced into labor but tortured, raped, beat, given less than the bare minimum to exist, murdered, etc. The horror that African Americans faced on these lands can't be ignored.
i live in barbados and this is VERY COMMON. i’ve almost never been to a wedding that wasn’t in a plantation. black and white people do it. people live there. idk it’s just a building
Like Loni said, it's like getting married in a graveyard or even the site of a battle. Lots of dead, mutilated bodies right under the places where you are walking. It takes a pretty sick-minded person to want to get married in a place like that!
American Creole i disagree i feel like if you went about boycotting anything that has gruesome history or caused something negative in the past you would have to stay indoors and do nothing. it’s just a party at a beautiful venue... stop trying to make it a thing.
@@alejandroashby6871 I agree with you. I don't think any of those people were for slavery or were ignorant because they had their wedding at the venue. I think they saw it as a beautiful building, which those homes are with the porches and columns.
Same in Saint Lucia, which is known as a honeymoon destination. We have churches, schools, and so much more on previous plantation grounds. With such small islands and the past of so many plantations on them, its inevitable that the land be reused for something.
I'll overlook the almost nonchalant comments regarding people from another countries (different history; attitutes) but really Americans? Your chosen to ignore the violent conditions Enslaved Americans suffered on these plantations. It is not just another venue. We have a history in America of dismissing the horrific mistreatment of Enslaved Americans as it not being that bad and it was!
The Goslings knowingly had their wedding at a plantation, never looked at them the same since finding out.
Actually anyone who wants to do this are actually showing their true characters that’s all
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So glad you ladies are talking about this. Here in Barbados old plantations are like the most common places to get married and it’s pretty heart breaking. A 95% black place and a just brush over that history 😔
Hmm. Nope. I could never.
The issue is not that "people" want to get married on plantations. The issue is that white people, who were able to get married wherever from the beginning of time, are choosing to do this on a plantation where black individuals died, were raped, and treated as chattel. That's the issue.
this was intentional, they don’t care - let’s be honest
anyone who does this is SICK and needs to see a psychiatrist
"People dont care.." exactly loni, U have to be souless to see a plantation as just a beautiful place to have ur wedding and disregard the atrocity that took place there
I live in Cali and I’m sure we don’t have plantations or a very few of them. Do people in other states get married on a plantation, do they KNOW the brutal history that happened (on average)? Or are couples clueless and we are shaming them for not knowing the history? 🤔 keep in mind I’m not from a state where slavery occurred so truthfully I’m not as educated on slavery as opposed to people living in the south.
Leibnizth M It almost always has the name “Plantation” somewhere because they are huge estates and believe me they know it’s a former plantation they just don’t care.
The KNOW. These estates are still owned by the same families from over 300 years ago! And they are still called ____ Plantation!! I just did my research on it
pamela gilmore oh wow :0 thank you for informing me! So sad to know couples are willing to celebrate (heck even simply take photos) there :-/
asia mack thanks for informing me! So sad to see people celebrate on soil that holds historical tragedies... :-/
There's plantations is Hawaii that are event venues, but the history is probably very different.
For some reason I keep wondering.. What if the venue was being used as a wedding venue to celebrate for black couples to celebrate black love in honor of the slaves that were buried there whom did not have the opportunity of having a wedding due to being enslaved at the time.
I think if it was used in that sense, it would be acknowledging our history, honoring the slaves' sacrifices and celebrating being able to celebrating black marriages
Jews don't honor their ancestors by having weddings on "beautiful old" Concentration Camps or Native Americans on burial grounds, why should descendants of Enslaved American entertain giving money to the venues where their ancestors where tortured, raped, murdered, and experienced daily physical and mental abuse. Hard pass! It plays into the narrative this American tragedy was not that bad and IT WAS far from that!
@@renewilson2540 paying for the venue totally slipped my mind. Good point!
I love every perspective shared by the host. I would like to add that the bride and groom probably do not have any interracial couples or black friends with a strong enough voice.
Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds
SMH yup.
People been doing this for years in the south.
Adrienne looks so healthy and glowy 💕
There is a black women who is a lotto winner lives on a plantation.
She was on a talk show and the interviewer ( Iyanla) was shocked.
I visited a plantation in Charleston and you feel the energy that’s no lie
It’s like having a wedding in the Ashawoitz concentration camp
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This is common in North Florida and South Georgia plantation venues for wedding.
My aunt and uncle got married on a plantation in the Caribbean, they are both black, we all are.
I was confused at time, but it was wonderful to put positive energy back in a place like that... as Tyler Perry has done. We were there freely, by choice, celebrating.
It’s like having a wedding at a cemetery. Extremely disrespectful disturbing & disgusting.
This type of venue promotion should have never happened. I’m surprised it’s only being addressed now.
This is a conversation taking us backwards. We are focusing on one place of horror while ignoring all other places these actions were taking place. If a planner is looking for a venue where something horrible didn't happen or didn't have a connection to a person who did horrible things, they would still be looking. Weddings are packaged into a fantasy of oppulence and fairy tale celebration making the bride and groom "king" and "queen" for a day. And a plantation house is for some people a symbol of that lifestyle that is sold in a wedding package. What we forget is that every show of oppulence and fairy tale celebration is made at the systematic explotation and destruction of others.
I agree if you think your going to venue that has nothing to do with slavery prolly wanna think again. 🤷🏽♀️ the great grandfathers of the beautiful venues probably had slaves !
But the difference is, the plantation was a strategic symbol of slavery. Yes bad things happen everywhere, but the plantation was where slavery legally and institutionally took place. I see where you're going but... please understand the context here.
I could hug you. You must be one of the only sane commenters here. I mean churches, old hotels and beautiful mansions didn't just appear out of thin air. Someone had to have money to build them and I can guarantee that they were often linked to slavery. The legacy of African slavery is so far and wide we don't even realise. Many properties will have some kind of ties to slavery, plantation owners often built churches, helped with contributing to community projects and had many vacation properties. The money still came from the atrocities of slavery so what's the difference with a plantation? These hosts really need to apply more critical thinking. I hardly watch them anymore as I feel I'm losing brain cells doing so.
1.) Let's not speak ill of the hosts. They are commenting on a topic that is going around now. Part of their job is to get attention. One way to do that is to comment on crazy things in the news. And if the comments section is anything to go by, it worked.
2.) Humans have been committing atrocities against each other for our entire history. Murder, human trafficking, rape, slavery, etc. still occur in the world today. And out in the open. These are by products of people wanting to be seen as "better" or "above" other people instead of equals. Focusing on a symbol of that attitude from history is turing a blind eye to its existence today.
Im from the south and always found this to be weird. Because its “charming” and “beautiful”....how about NOT. Its been so normalized ... but its just disgusting in my opinion.
But what if you decide to buy the house. I live a couple miles away from a house that used to be a plantation, and people still live there.
I Live in Mississippi and they have Weddings at Plantations all the time here in Mississippi and Louisiana. It’s totally normal. It’s beautiful there and people want a beautiful place for marriage. My Aunt married at one of the most beautiful plantations in Louisiana. It’s not an issue here
How does this differs from reserving a venue at a National Park/National forest where Native Americans used to live and were also raped/ murdered and kicked out of? Nobody bats an eye, or even thinks of or tries to cancel. I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to marry there either but what do they expect the owners to do with these places? At the same time period lots of affluent families had slaves, now their properties had also become bed and breakfast establishments or made into museums where people can also reserve a venue. There is a ranch where I live, people get married there all the time and nearby there is even a separate building where "servants" used to sleep. Nobody cares about these ranches because they don't have the name "plantation" in it. Like do they want these beautiful buildings to be destroyed and a fence be put around it for that land to be never be able to be used? Just to be clear, I think slavery was and is a horrible inhuman act. However my point is, people seem to get specially infuriated when couples get married at plantations and ignore all the other current venues where slavery also existed.
I got married in 2019 and when I was planning I discovered this was a thing and I thought it was upsetting.
Even if you don’t see a problem with it, then you should still consider how your friends and fam will feel there
What do y’all think about the situation, personal I agree with Adrianna. How about y’all?
Loni took the words right out of my mouth when she was saying it's the same as getting married at a camp. I was about to comment the same thing. I'm white though so I feel like I don't have a say, but it disgusts me. It would feel to me like I was desecrating something
XxStarlightxX Productions *Adrienne
@@Ena48145Anyone can have a say. This isn' t just Black American history its unfortunately American history.
XxStarlightxX Productions I agree with them all it’s not right
@@Ena48145 your being white does not stop you from having a say. All opinions are worth hearing regardless of race so say it loud and proud!
Glamorizing plantations? What do you think gone with,the wind was?
I have a hard time with the word plantation.
They have a lot of plantations in South Carolina.
I USED to watch that show Southern charm. It creeps me out.
All 4 of you look so snatched, stunning, love it 🌹🌹
At the end of the day people can do what they want. At least I’ll know who not to be friends with.
Honestly, this is very common here in the Caribbean. Didn't realize it wasn't a thing in the States. It's not a big deal here.
Agreed. I'm jamaican and I'm having my wedding at a greathouse in Jamaica. I didn't even give it a second thought. As Caribbean people we are the majority. We own the land and use as we see fit. A lot of the issues that fetter our African American brothers and sisters don't burden us. Race relations continue to devolve in the US. I completely understand how it is seen as inappropriate. In many respects slavery still lives on in the US.
Plantation homes are beautiful. I would never want to live in one or get married on one, but if I ever came into a large amount of money I would love to have a home that looks that way without the tainted history.
Maybe it’s to acknowledge how far they’ve come. I don’t agree with it but I’m able to understand both sides of an argument.
Nobody is thinking about the history/past most times when choosing a venue. I got married on the site of an old plantation property Tryall Jamaica, where there's a water wheel that was used to juice sugar etc. Its a beautiful place and has a rustic air about it n that's exactly why I chose it. It's now a hotel with a world renowned golf course.While I'm conscious about acts meted out to my ancestors on plantations such as this, it's more about the new chapter of life and joy that you choose to embrace. I certainly was not thinking about slavery on my wedding day while I was there. People have become overly sensitive about everything.
Kudos to the ladies.They ALL handled that conversation well even Adrienne😉😌
Ppl have been doing this. I thought it was weird when I called tour info and they mentioned they do weddings there
As long as it isn’t in use anymore lol. It’s nice open land. Is it meant to be abandoned forever?
Have everyone forgotten about native Americans and the hell they went through? If it comes to that people are not going to have weddings anywhere, because they were slaughtered everywhere 🤷🏻♂️
Exactly people were slaughtered right where we live! This is dumb as hell. They wanna keep it contained to “these people were slaughtered in this spot”
I’m glad someone said it!
Exactly
Said you
I visited Boone Hall in Charleston, SC...the infamous plantation where Blake Lively & Ryan Reynolds got married, and where scenes of the Notebook were shot. Let me tell you, yes the grounds are beautiful, they have a beautiful garden, and that long driveway with the oak trees looks just like a movie. However, they still have 9 of the original slave cabins, and the energy of pain and death is very present in the air. Couldn't be me. But I think we care in a way others may not, because it's personal to us.
I traveled all the way from Upstate New York to attend a wedding that took place there on April 7, 2017. Since I took the ferry over to Fort Sumter the day after, I now feel ashamed of myself to not only have attended that wedding, but also have an adventurous spirit, since that was my own personal reason why I was admittedly lucky to travel down to Charleston to go through those experiences, mainly because I dread the possibility of coming off as disrespectful. Man, just mentioning that makes me no wonder I decided to be celibate!
Who is this “We” culture they are referring too that forgets about Slavery!?!? I’m reminded on the daily what my ancestors went through and the injustice people of my race still go through!!!
I love Adrienne now more than ever. this non-black girl GETS it. "You're choosing to have a wedding where people have been raped and murder..." So many times people on television try to minimize the human rights crimes committed against black Americans. What happen to black Americans was a Holocaust that endure for CENTURIES: kidnapping, beatings., torture, scarring, child molestation, forced labor, Nazi-like medical "experiments", etc. Keep speaking truth to power.